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Oppose all word order changes for the political office, or changes from "Ministers for [dept]" to "Ministers of [dept]", unless demonstrated to be local usage. Especially opposing "Ministers of Finance" to "Finance ministers" – I recently renamed these according to local usage; where there is no article for the position in the country, I followed the majority usage in the biography articles. They do not have to follow the wording "Finance ministers" from the parent
Category:Finance ministers by country. Note: I am not opposing decapitalisation, nor moving to "of [Country]", which can go ahead speedily. –
FayenaticLondon 20:37, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Fayenatic london: Wasn't aware, sorry for the extra work these noms have made. Thought I was helping out but you're two steps ahead of me!
Hey man im josh (
talk) 20:48, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Just noting that I removed all of the nominations I created that were opposed by Fayenatic London. I did make more that were within their scope of what was okay.
Hey man im josh (
talk) 19:29, 25 April 2024 (UTC)reply
In some countries the list article is "Finance Minister (Country)", in others "Minister of Finance (Country)" or "Minister for Finance (Country)", or "Minister for Economy" etc. The category name should match the post name as described in the country, but in lower case according to
MOS:JOBTITLE. –
FayenaticLondon 12:27, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose This is not very natural language. It is inconsistent with the same level categories "Classical Latin-language writers", "Latin-language writers of late antiquity", "Medieval Latin-language writers", "Old Latin-language writers", and "Renaissance Latin-language writers".
This is because "Neo-Latin" etc are actually styles, that are associated with a period.
Jim Killock(talk) 05:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)reply
But these are not "by period"; they are "by style". This especially true for Neo-Latin. The periods and styles often coincide, but not precisely. Better would be to follow the styles defined in the articles, so:
I've explained elsewhere that the periods and styles are not precise. For instance, a writer in the Renaissance may have employed Medieval Latin, or Renaissance Latin; and some may define their Renaissance Latin as Neo-Latin. These are stylistic boundaries which roughly match period, but it is the style, not the period, that determines their classifications.
Jim Killock(talk) 19:50, 2 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
JimKillock I know.
Category:14th-century Neo-Latin writers were a thing; it's good that you created that category. But I don't see how it would create a problem if we renamed it Category:14th-century writers in Neo-Latin. If anything, it is even clearer that "14th-century" refers to "writers" and not to "Neo-Latin", so that we shouldn't assume that the kind of Latin they wrote was Medieval Latin. This is all the more reason in favour of renaming, so that our readers understand the difference between style and period.
NLeeuw (
talk) 14:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
The issue is that the whole category structure is used to amalgamate and conflate these two ideas. I don't have an easy solution to it, that doesn't involve some work. It's reasonable to say that a C12th Medieval Latin writer used Medieval Latin, or a C20th writer uses Neo-Latin. Boundary centuries seem debateable. However, the structure makes an absolute assumption, that century and style are the same, except where I started to break it up. This has come up in two recent discussions, the other being when someone wanted to remove my boundary category. But it's clear that the intention was that
Category:Classical Latin-language writers should contain Classical Latin writers, ie be a style category, not a time category. Likewise, Late Latin and Neo-Latin. There can be doubt about
medieval Latin because of it seems to refer to a period rather than a style; however as it is a set of style categories we should assume it is about style, likewise for
Renaissance Latin. The fact that the categories group information from centuries is a laziness, nothing more. In short it is a mess but it is only made worse by changing the names to appear to refer to time periods, some of which don't really exist (Classical Latin isn't a time, nor is Latin Latin, nor is Neo-Latin).
Taking one example to show why the suggested formulation can sound wrong.
Category:Writers in Old Latin; Old Latin is recognised as a phase of Latin, rather than a "style" of Latin, so a bit different, but it functions the same. It is like Old English, not quite the same as Modern English. So, "writers in Old Latin" doesn't work because You [verb] in [language]; you don't [person] in [language]. It is either People writing in Old Latin or Old Latin writers. So
Category:Old Latin writers sounds better, another option would be
Category:Writers using Old Latin.
So there seems to be some inconsistency of approach in the current suggestion, as well as a somewhat clumsy use of "in" that isn't needed.
It has taken me some time to pinpoint the issue with "in"; but I think it is because language can be either a noun or an adjective. When it is a style, describing how someone writes, "Classical Latin" etc, is an adjective. If "Classical Latin" is an adjective, then "in" shouldn't be used. If "Classical Latin" is a noun, as with "Classical Latin" the topic then "in" is possible, eg "Grammar in Classical Latin", or "They write in Classical Latin". As an adjective, it works as "Classical Latin writers". --
Jim Killock(talk) 00:59, 6 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I suppose this will have to be moved to full then...
NLeeuw (
talk) 13:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)reply
CommentNederlandse Leeuw, I don't think the categories for Scholars of Greek are suitable for speedy renaming as the categories contain a mixture of scholars of Greek language and literature. Also Latin is the other classical language and there is no
Category:Linguists of Latin.
TSventon (
talk) 22:21, 3 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
TSventon I discussed thus with @
Fayenatic london in another thread (about
Category:Grammarians of Persian), he thought it was a good idea. It's virtually impossible to study the literature of a language without also studying the language itself. (I've been studying
Old East Slavic as an amateur lately, because I want to write about
Rus' chronicles on Wikipedia). Also,
Category:Latinists exists; it currently serves the same function as a Category:Linguists of Latin would.
NLeeuw (
talk) 02:50, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Nederlandse Leeuw, I have looked at the content of the categories and am suggesting that these categories are not suitable for speedy renaming. I am happy for the CfD admins to accept or reject my argument. Studying the literature of a language generally involves studying the language itself, but some academics focus more on literature and others on liguistic topics and this is reflected in our categories.
Category:Latinists exists and has a Greek counterpart,
Category:Hellenists.
TSventon (
talk) 14:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Okay. I'm not convinced this makes them unsuitable for speedy renaming, but we'll see. Otherwise I'm happy to move to full, although I think it's unnecessary.
NLeeuw (
talk) 14:24, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I think this kind of discussion is better held at a full CfD than here.
Ymblanter (
talk) 19:43, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
PLEASE NOTE: I have moved all of the following Categories here pending adequate confirmation of their eligibility under C2C. I made a serious effort to look for that, but was unable to find such confirmation. There is a massive jumbled welter of Categories in this realm, with no prevailing pattern that I can discern.
Anomalous+0 (
talk) 07:16, 19 March 2024 (UTC)reply
The English one was closed as Rename. –
FayenaticLondon 12:11, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Except in the United States, the "by descent" format seems to be standard everywhere.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 10:16, 7 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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Oppose all word order changes for the political office, or changes from "Ministers for [dept]" to "Ministers of [dept]", unless demonstrated to be local usage. Especially opposing "Ministers of Finance" to "Finance ministers" – I recently renamed these according to local usage; where there is no article for the position in the country, I followed the majority usage in the biography articles. They do not have to follow the wording "Finance ministers" from the parent
Category:Finance ministers by country. Note: I am not opposing decapitalisation, nor moving to "of [Country]", which can go ahead speedily. –
FayenaticLondon 20:37, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Fayenatic london: Wasn't aware, sorry for the extra work these noms have made. Thought I was helping out but you're two steps ahead of me!
Hey man im josh (
talk) 20:48, 22 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Just noting that I removed all of the nominations I created that were opposed by Fayenatic London. I did make more that were within their scope of what was okay.
Hey man im josh (
talk) 19:29, 25 April 2024 (UTC)reply
In some countries the list article is "Finance Minister (Country)", in others "Minister of Finance (Country)" or "Minister for Finance (Country)", or "Minister for Economy" etc. The category name should match the post name as described in the country, but in lower case according to
MOS:JOBTITLE. –
FayenaticLondon 12:27, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose This is not very natural language. It is inconsistent with the same level categories "Classical Latin-language writers", "Latin-language writers of late antiquity", "Medieval Latin-language writers", "Old Latin-language writers", and "Renaissance Latin-language writers".
This is because "Neo-Latin" etc are actually styles, that are associated with a period.
Jim Killock(talk) 05:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)reply
But these are not "by period"; they are "by style". This especially true for Neo-Latin. The periods and styles often coincide, but not precisely. Better would be to follow the styles defined in the articles, so:
I've explained elsewhere that the periods and styles are not precise. For instance, a writer in the Renaissance may have employed Medieval Latin, or Renaissance Latin; and some may define their Renaissance Latin as Neo-Latin. These are stylistic boundaries which roughly match period, but it is the style, not the period, that determines their classifications.
Jim Killock(talk) 19:50, 2 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
JimKillock I know.
Category:14th-century Neo-Latin writers were a thing; it's good that you created that category. But I don't see how it would create a problem if we renamed it Category:14th-century writers in Neo-Latin. If anything, it is even clearer that "14th-century" refers to "writers" and not to "Neo-Latin", so that we shouldn't assume that the kind of Latin they wrote was Medieval Latin. This is all the more reason in favour of renaming, so that our readers understand the difference between style and period.
NLeeuw (
talk) 14:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
The issue is that the whole category structure is used to amalgamate and conflate these two ideas. I don't have an easy solution to it, that doesn't involve some work. It's reasonable to say that a C12th Medieval Latin writer used Medieval Latin, or a C20th writer uses Neo-Latin. Boundary centuries seem debateable. However, the structure makes an absolute assumption, that century and style are the same, except where I started to break it up. This has come up in two recent discussions, the other being when someone wanted to remove my boundary category. But it's clear that the intention was that
Category:Classical Latin-language writers should contain Classical Latin writers, ie be a style category, not a time category. Likewise, Late Latin and Neo-Latin. There can be doubt about
medieval Latin because of it seems to refer to a period rather than a style; however as it is a set of style categories we should assume it is about style, likewise for
Renaissance Latin. The fact that the categories group information from centuries is a laziness, nothing more. In short it is a mess but it is only made worse by changing the names to appear to refer to time periods, some of which don't really exist (Classical Latin isn't a time, nor is Latin Latin, nor is Neo-Latin).
Taking one example to show why the suggested formulation can sound wrong.
Category:Writers in Old Latin; Old Latin is recognised as a phase of Latin, rather than a "style" of Latin, so a bit different, but it functions the same. It is like Old English, not quite the same as Modern English. So, "writers in Old Latin" doesn't work because You [verb] in [language]; you don't [person] in [language]. It is either People writing in Old Latin or Old Latin writers. So
Category:Old Latin writers sounds better, another option would be
Category:Writers using Old Latin.
So there seems to be some inconsistency of approach in the current suggestion, as well as a somewhat clumsy use of "in" that isn't needed.
It has taken me some time to pinpoint the issue with "in"; but I think it is because language can be either a noun or an adjective. When it is a style, describing how someone writes, "Classical Latin" etc, is an adjective. If "Classical Latin" is an adjective, then "in" shouldn't be used. If "Classical Latin" is a noun, as with "Classical Latin" the topic then "in" is possible, eg "Grammar in Classical Latin", or "They write in Classical Latin". As an adjective, it works as "Classical Latin writers". --
Jim Killock(talk) 00:59, 6 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I suppose this will have to be moved to full then...
NLeeuw (
talk) 13:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)reply
CommentNederlandse Leeuw, I don't think the categories for Scholars of Greek are suitable for speedy renaming as the categories contain a mixture of scholars of Greek language and literature. Also Latin is the other classical language and there is no
Category:Linguists of Latin.
TSventon (
talk) 22:21, 3 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
TSventon I discussed thus with @
Fayenatic london in another thread (about
Category:Grammarians of Persian), he thought it was a good idea. It's virtually impossible to study the literature of a language without also studying the language itself. (I've been studying
Old East Slavic as an amateur lately, because I want to write about
Rus' chronicles on Wikipedia). Also,
Category:Latinists exists; it currently serves the same function as a Category:Linguists of Latin would.
NLeeuw (
talk) 02:50, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Nederlandse Leeuw, I have looked at the content of the categories and am suggesting that these categories are not suitable for speedy renaming. I am happy for the CfD admins to accept or reject my argument. Studying the literature of a language generally involves studying the language itself, but some academics focus more on literature and others on liguistic topics and this is reflected in our categories.
Category:Latinists exists and has a Greek counterpart,
Category:Hellenists.
TSventon (
talk) 14:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Okay. I'm not convinced this makes them unsuitable for speedy renaming, but we'll see. Otherwise I'm happy to move to full, although I think it's unnecessary.
NLeeuw (
talk) 14:24, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I think this kind of discussion is better held at a full CfD than here.
Ymblanter (
talk) 19:43, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
PLEASE NOTE: I have moved all of the following Categories here pending adequate confirmation of their eligibility under C2C. I made a serious effort to look for that, but was unable to find such confirmation. There is a massive jumbled welter of Categories in this realm, with no prevailing pattern that I can discern.
Anomalous+0 (
talk) 07:16, 19 March 2024 (UTC)reply
The English one was closed as Rename. –
FayenaticLondon 12:11, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Except in the United States, the "by descent" format seems to be standard everywhere.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 10:16, 7 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Ready for deletion
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