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Taner Akçam ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
There need to be more eyes watching this article, which is the BLP of a Turkish academic teaching at Clark University. The article is usually not very active, but every so often it sees a spate of editors inserting negative material, because Akçam is one of the first Turkish academics to acknowledge and write about the Armenian Genocide. In the past, editors have inserted statements labelling Akçam a terrorist into the article, which once resulted in him being detained at the U.S.-Canada border.
Right now, a new editor, User:Kirlikovali, is inserting the claim that a position Akçam held in 2007 at the U. of Minnesota was funded by Armenians, and therefore his scholarship is biased-- [3] [4]. The "source" for this edit is a letter Kirlikovali says he received from Minnesota's general counsel, printed at User talk:Kirlikovali. Needless to say, this is not an adequate source for the claims made. --Akhilleus ( talk) 21:12, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Is the posting of someones twitter account forbidden as providing contact information or is it allowed as is a persons website/blog? -- The Red Pen of Doom 13:28, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
The question of overcategorization, as it applies to the subject of a BLP, is joined, both in recent reversions and re-reversions at the subject's page. Would others with an interest in whether or not the "American Criminal" category is overcategorization where the "Politicians who have been convicted of crimes" categorization is undisputed please chime in on the talk page and with edits, if appropriate? I have in mind WP:UNDUEWEIGHT. What do others think? David in DC ( talk) 19:52, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
A bigger issue is the definition of the category itself: membership of Category:American criminals is given by being convicted of a "notable felony" (plus some non-convicted where guilt is undisputed). I don't know where/how "notable felony" is defined... Anyway this category is part of Category:American people by occupation. This seems to elide technically being a criminal (i.e convicted of a felony crime) with being a criminal by occupation, a huge leap. Even if the category weren't placed within the "occupation" category, this same leap occurs with applying Category:American criminals directly to BLPs of people who don't earn the majority of their living through crime (that being the common usage of "criminal" IMO). This leap between technical definition and common usage is problematic to the point of being a WP:NPOV problem. Rd232 talk 20:46, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Happily, Will has proposed that he stop reverting my American Criminals deletions and I stop deleting entirely in the American Criminals category, pending further conversation, consolidated in one place. And I have agreed. It's here. I will next start the thread he proposes. David in DC ( talk) 00:56, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Kyra Phillips ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
An issue was raised at WP:COI/N regarding editing of the article on Kyra Phillips by a CNN-based editor. However, in reviewing the article, I perceive that it has more serious BLP issues, which if addressed would probably resolve the COI problem. Over half of the article consists of “criticisms”, mishaps and gaffes, a number of which are cited to blogs, YouTube and dead connections. Could someone here help guide the editors toward developing a more balanced and NPOV article? TIA, Askari Mark (Talk) 04:24, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
I've edited the article a bit (partly to address Kevin's concern, which I share) and left a talkpage comment. Avruch T 21:50, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Unreferenced WP:BLP article, subject of recent disruption from an WP:SPA, could use some extra eyes, and cleanup with sourcing. Thanks, Cirt ( talk) 21:05, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Actually, on further thought I've proposed it for AfD. Avruch T 22:51, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
The introduction to this article says (among other things) that she is "despised." This article is a BLP. The claim is extremely negative and is not referenced. The article is protected from editing by people like me. Would somebody please immediately remove this potentially libelous claim? 74.1.175.146 ( talk) 23:57, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Propaganda Due (P2) was a quasi-Masonic Lodge that was at the heart of a huge financial scandal in Italy, back in the 1980s... Both the group and the scandal were real, but both has subsequently become fodder for various conspiracy theorists.
The article contains a section on "notable members" of P2, and I have serious concerns about whether such a section passes WP:BLP. The core issue here is that the article lists people (some living, some dead) as being members of P2 based on what are essentially rumors reported in the tabloid press, at various conspiracy theory websites, and other unreliable (or at best semi-reliable) sources. Some (but hardly all) of these sources say that they got their information from an offical report created by the Italian government. That report apparently contains an appendix that lists the names of people found on a rolodex owned by the groops leader. The assumption that the unreliable sources make is that the names on this rolodex were all members of the Lodge (an assumption that is questioned in reliable sources and which is actually warned against in the previous section of our article). In other words, we have a list of "members", supported by citations to rumors that claim their names were on a list that might be a list of members (but might not be).
I have attempted to raise my concerns about this several times on the article's talk page, and tried to remove what I think is a clear BLP violation, but my concerns have been ignored. Please take a look at the article and help resolve this. Blueboar ( talk) 15:26, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Given that membership in organization was, on its own, illegal... And that there is no way of knowing for sure which of the supposed members actually joined, which were included on the membership list without their knowledge, and which were simply in the Rolodex of Gelli... I'd say that the names themselves, but not necessarily the description of the list and its publication, should be removed. They don't seem to lend much crucial information to the article, and we ought to err on the side of not inaccurately describing "notable" people as having committed a crime. Avruch T 21:34, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Jacqui Smith ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
I'm all for april fools, but i find todays ITN item "A newspaper discovers that pay-per-view porn is amongst a number of unusual things being purchased by British MPs on their claimed expenses." tasteless, and more importantly a potential violation of BLP for Jacqui Smith. If we can't have Fair use content on the front page because we are such a high profile website, then I believe that anything that reeks like a potential BLP issue, should not be allowed either. We are making fun and exposing to a much wider audience the trouble a certain individual is facing (how rightfully that trouble may be). Who are we to decide that that is OK when it is "just" an april fools. I'd like to know what other people think. -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 03:04, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi. Text has been repeatedly added to this article which I believe to be problematic under WP:BLP, including such allegations as "The sexual politics of the group was bizarre." The large chunk of material which includes these allegations is unsourced. The material has been several times restored with the note that sources are pending. Additional input on this matter would be appreciated. -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 21:16, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Considering the recent rumors regarding an alleged affair with her co-star, some editors have taken to adding this info in her article, which I promptly removed. I also left a note regarding this issue on the talk page. I'm bringing attention to this here, so editors can keep a lookout on the article. -- Whip it! Now whip it good! 23:44, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
WhipIt:What was the hefty price that NYT paid for the Jayson Bliar lies? Yes they did write a coverstory article about how he lied & plagarised. I read your 'hefty price' to mean financially. Did their page views drop or ad revenue drop? 70.108.102.252 ( talk) 18:31, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
I've been watchlisting this article for some time due to persistent BLP problems. It concerns a veteran French journalist who has been the target of a fairly virulent online campaign for several years (he is effectively a hate figure in some quarters). He has been accused of various misdeeds by his detractors; the allegations against him are currently the subject of litigation in France and were judged defamatory by a French court in 2006. Unfortunately there have been persistent attempts to use his Wikipedia article to rehash these allegations and present them as fact or otherwise to discredit or impeach him, which raises obvious BLP and potential legal issues for us. I've started a discussion about a rash of recent edits at Talk:Charles Enderlin#Describing defamatory claims and who makes them. Outside input would be appreciated so that we can have the benefit of a second opinion. -- ChrisO ( talk) 01:21, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Please check talk page Joel Fitzgibbon
I feel that Helen Liu( Liu Haiyan Chinese:刘海燕) of the Australian Diamond Hill Company) deserves a wiki, the reasons and sources
I feel that Helen Liu will go down into Australia's political history. Arilang talk 11:30, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Politicians come and go, but Ms Liu will stay rich and famous regardless of who is in power, Labor or otherwise. Arilang talk 16:37, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Poorly referenced WP:BLP article, subject of recent disruptions from WP:SPAs and IPs (see history). Protection requested but no response. Need some help. Thanks-- Amore Mio ( talk) 10:22, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Totally unsourced, poorly written, and I have no idea what "spoutus" means, and if it's an attack. Who then was a gentleman? ( talk) 19:47, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Alexander Waugh ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) - Subject apprently wants article deleted, edited article as 84.43.125.213 and left this : (Alexander Waugh) who wishes to have this article deleted, which (since he is said to have written it himself) should present no difficulty to the administrators of Wikipedia. If, however, the tag stating that his entry is "autobiography" is removed he will be happy to have this modest entry retained. The edit summary was (Was unable to delete entry. Have added sentence to draw attention of administrators to my plight. Hope it works AW)
The article was started by User:Awaugh, so I think this is what the autobio tag is referring to, and thus, the edit by the anon ip. I have invited the anon ip to participate in this discussion. Gareth E Kegg ( talk) 20:13, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Gavi Stulberg ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) - This article should be deleted immediately, for the following reasons:
a)The citations provided are fictitious. The links do not exist.
b) This individual is not notable. This appears to be an article, written by a group of immature high school students about one of their colleagues. This person is "relatively unknown." He is not a notable subject. Per the wikipedia guidelines:
c) The tone of this article is inappropriate for Wikipedia:
"Biographies of living people should be written responsibly, conservatively, and in a neutral, encyclopedic tone. While a strategy of eventualism may apply to other subject areas, badly written biographies of living persons should be stubbed or deleted (see #Remove unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material)."
d) The guidelines for "Biographies of living persons" can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons. This article meets the standard for deletion:
"If the entire page is substantially of poor quality, containing primarily unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons, then it may be necessary to delete the entire page as an initial step, followed by discussion." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.51.241.201 ( talk • contribs)
Darko Trifunović ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is repeatedly being blanked by Darko Trifunovic ( talk · contribs), who claims to be the subject of the article. It's been the target of a lot of disruptive editing by Serbian and Bosnian editors over the years, as the individual in question appears to be fairly controversial. In the last few months a series of anonymous IPs have repeatedly attempted to replace the article with a poorly written curriculum vitae. The problems appear to be reaching a new stage now, so input from an uninvolved administrator would be appreciated.
I've also posted this to the administrators' incidents noticeboard. -- ChrisO ( talk) 00:30, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
An article on a movie production firm. Various IP's and new accounts are repeatedly inserting allegations of criminal conduct by company employees, referenced only by blog entries, which fail WP:RS. Although the article itself is not a biography, the BLP guidelines indicate the policy applies to biographical material about living persons on any page.
There's been a cycle of adding and removing the material - I locked the page for a week to encourage discussion, but the blog-referenced allegations were simply restored as soon as protection expired. I'm considering a longer-term semi-protection but wanted to bring it here for additional sets of eyes first. Euryalus ( talk) 03:47, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Soapboxing aside, is Talk:Michelle_Obama#Michelle_Obama.27s_legal_and_health_care_services_career a BLP violation? Who then was a gentleman? ( talk) 01:12, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. I've removed the discussion and will inform the OQ. Who then was a gentleman? ( talk) 22:59, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Edward Lodge ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) Another editor and I are concerned with what we consider to be libel in the section of "Investigation into banking practices," the claims made in the section, especially the claims made by the Oregon Observer, this claim is made by a non-notable newspaper, and is not even referenced by it or any other source [11]. The removal of this absolutely baseless claim has been reverted many times with no explanation, or additional citations. The only reference, made earlier in the section, is to a blog, which is not peer reviewed or reliable, and whose own disclaimer at the beginning of the page claims: "This page contains articles and tidbits submitted by concerned citizens, for concerned citizens. Take the articles for what they are worth and try to verify their accuracy. It is up to the reader to gauge the article's accuracy." This is not even a remotely reliable source and I hope that this potential libel will remain off the page until more accurate, verifiable documentation is provided. " Miltenburg67 ( talk) 05:19, 3 April 2009 (UTC)"
I see what may be a libelous statement at [13], and tried to strike out the potentially libelous comment made by an anonymous IP editor. Now an edit war is initiated, placing the comment back in. I would appreciate a third opinion whether the potentially libelous statement should be struck. Thanks. SaltyBoatr ( talk) 18:02, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Jennifer Fitzgerald ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard/Archive61#Jennifer_Fitzgerald You can think what ever you want about my motivation for mentioning this article but it's slanderous, and it's sources are not very reliable. Fodient ( talk) 20:08, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
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Hello,
I'm somewhat concerned about the treatment of a certain police officer in the
Ryan Moats and
Zach Thomas articles.
For those not familiar with the event, the cop basically robbed Moats of his last chance to see a relative before they died. However, as horrible as that is, it was still within the context of doing his job (however poorly he may have been doing it).
Since then, the only times his name has been mentioned publicly has been in the context of this event (whether directly or indirectly).
The mention in Thomas's article is even more disturbing, as it is only because of a single article that mentioned Thomas's wife, and was still within the context of the issue with Moats.
Keeping this in mind (and I've also tried to explain part of my arguments on the Ryan Moats talk page, so by all means, get a better explanation there), I don't see how the officer's name can be used within the articles. Well, actually, I don't understand how the incident is relevant to Thomas's article at all, since the event didn't even involve Thomas. But my primary concern is with the mention of his name, since that seems to be a significant BLP concern.
As explained in the
policy page, names of people who aren't public figures, relating primarily to a single event, should be omitted if it doesn't significantly detract from the article.
Anyways, I would appreciate if a few of you could look at that sectino of the policy page again (the 'privacy of names' section), look at my arguments on the Moats talk page, and then perhaps weigh in? Both in terms of the Moats article and the Thomas article.
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(outdent) Just to follow up, thanks for the input from others. I don't think, nor was I saying that we need to nuke the entire section. This "incident" was widely reported and is more than well sourced. Just rename the section title, reduce it in size, and leave out the commentary. The incident, which has been pointed out by others but not included in the article, actually reflects on how well this individual handled the situation and didn't allow it to escalate into something truely ugly. If that had been me, I would have kicked the cop in the nuts and been on my way, but I am a hot head :). I renamed the section for now and hopefully over time this "material" can be trimmed back and other relevant facts added to the bio to improve it. Anyways, -- Tom (talk) 21:43, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
I've deleted the entire section. The only source given (and only remotely reliable source I can find - but I'm not sure I consider it reliable either) only gives one para on McNaughton stepping down due to child support controversy - no details. [14] The rest of what was in the article is unsourced, possibly WP:OR. I can find nothing useful in terms of reliable sources. Rd232 talk 14:10, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Roger Chiang ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
While cleaning out the catchall Category:American criminals I came across Roger Chiang. The article was peppered with dozens of recently added {fact} tags along with older hat tags. [15] After investigating briefly I decided first to revert to an earlier version and then to delete large unsourced or POV portions, including some that made negative assertions about 3rd parties. [16] [17] An anon restored the material and I deleted it again, asking for sources. Then another IP address, presumably the same person and possibly the subject, reverted again while making a claim of libel. [18] I've now stubbed the article. There appear to be ample sources describing the subject, they just need to be used. I won't make any further edits for the time being except to delete unsourced additions. Will Beback talk 19:32, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Priscilla Presley ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Could people with spare time keep an eye on this? I've just removed some nasty BLP violations and lots of unsourced and inappropriate material, and I expect there will be editors trying to add some of it back. And the material that's left could use more eys on it. I just cleaned out the really bad stuff. Amazing that it was allowed to stand in an article on a fairly well-known person for so long. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz ( talk) 20:02, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
I am thinking Priscilla Presley#Life with Elvis this section should be removed until someone is willing to do a BLP sensitive re-write. A blow-by-blow from a sensationalist book is inappropriate.-- Scott Mac (Doc) 20:29, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Ryan O'Neal ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Ditto with this article, as with the two above. Approx. half the article devoted to very recent arrests and other salacious material. Have removed but more input would be terrific. Seems that celebrity and show business bios attract this kind of thing. Maybe there should be a "Wikiproject Celebrity Biographies BLP Issues" or something like that. Stetsonharry ( talk) 20:08, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Mehmet Oz ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Please look into this editing conflict. This discussion was taken from Mehmet Oz's talk page on April 3, 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.89.115.184 ( talk • contribs)
I added a revised section with added referencing on Dr. Oz's dog experiments at Columbia University; to this article on March 28, 2009. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.89.115.184 ( talk • contribs)
I removed this junk. Dr. Oz is not mentioned in any of the source materials. Only on two activist websites. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.237.196.228 ( talk) 19:41, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
The main source was a 2004 letter from Mary Beth Sweetland to Elizabeth Goldentyer, DVM of the USDA. Dr. Oz and his dogs (as in Oz dogs) are discussed on pages 2 through 5. http://www.columbiacruelty.com/letters/USDA1104.pdf Most of the website information was reproduced from this pdf document. It is usually "activist sites" which make a point of documenting animal abuse. Furthermore, this uncontested information appears to have been online for quite sometime, since the incident took place in 2004. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.89.115.184 ( talk • contribs) , April 2009
The removed section reads:
In 2004, complaints about Dr. Mehmet Oz’s dog experiments were cited in a report produced by an internal investigation conducted by Columbia University into allegations of poor animal care made by Dr. Catherine Dell’Orto, a post-doctoral veterinarian at Columbia. http://www.columbiacruelty.com/feat-pupkillings.asp This letter contains lab animal records from Columbia's internal committee’s investigation, including dogs under Dr. Oz. http://www.columbiacruelty.com/letters/USDA1104.pdf pg 3-5 See also html version of individual reports on dogs used in Dr. Oz's experiments. http://www.columbiacruelty.com/feat-pupkillings-pups1.asp According to the report, highly invasive and stressful experiments on dogs were performed without a humane endpoint.
Freedom of Information Act requests made by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals to the National Institutes of Health revealed that subsequent applications for grants by Dr. Oz have been denied. http://www.columbiacruelty.com/feat-pupkillings.asp
Richard R. Lavigne ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Babak Radmanesh ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) - Newly created page. Subject of the article appears to be notable. However, the content of the page after the first paragraph is potentially libellous, and there are no sources to support these claims. I deleted the offending sections, and the original author restored them without comment. Can you please either get the dodgy comments properly references or stop this user from inserting them? Chris Neville-Smith ( talk) 10:55, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
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Both these articles suggest illegal activity on the part of Shimomura but this is poorly sourced and it's not entirely clear what was allegedly done that is illegal (I presume it's claimed Shimomumra hacked himself to find Mitnick but this isn't stated). Nil Einne ( talk) 13:23, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
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BerwynTalker (
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This article is about a politician, and a user is adding POV in favour of a rival candidate in an election. The article is a short stub after I removed poorly sourced or unsourced content, and the user is re-adding information about a controversy that doesn't appear to be important. I've explained to the user, but I don't want to be involved in an edit war (I've already made three reverts), so I think it would be more appropriate for another user to look at it. — Snigbrook 22:33, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Daniella Rush ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
I come to seek guidance. I've added information with 2 sources, which User:Morbidthoughts undid. Then I added 2 other sources (none of the total of 4 sources was a Wikipedia mirror), and he again undid. He claims of my talk page User_talk:Debresser#Daniella_Rush that all 4 sources are unreliable. What is your opinion? Debresser ( talk) 15:59, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm with Morbidthoughts on this one. We can reasonably assume that the real name of a porn star who acts under a pseudonym is information that requires both reliable sourcing and a sound argument for inclusion. IMBD and realname.of fail the first requirement, and no argument that the real name is relevant has been made. Keep in mind that the mere existence of information isn't enough to justify inclusion. Avruch T 16:39, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for your reaction. I argumented on my talk page that her real name can be found on quit a few webpages and forums. Therefore I see no reason not to include it and several to include. What do you say? And what is your opinion about the other two sources? Debresser ( talk) 21:52, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Douglas Feith ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
This entire article is probably the worst mess I've seen. I lack the energy to clean it up -- it's a humongous linkfarm, resembling more a random collection of material pro and con than a balanced biography. We've got everything on here from squirrelly not-quite-accusations of manipulating intelligence to unproven rumors about espionage. Ray Talk 01:23, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
I've reworked the objectionable part of this somewhat. I'm not sure we need the praise/criticism quotes at all, I've moved that and the laundry list of accusations against OSP to the talkpage. In the mean time, I've taken some good content from the Office of Special Plans page and incorporated it with some modification into this article in the "Bush administration" section. Avruch T 17:22, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Could use some more voices probably in the discussion at Talk:Douglas Feith. Avruch T 20:30, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Tom Dolby ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
There is a statement in Tom Dolby's Biography that is incorrect. Andrew Frist is not the nephew of former U.S. Senator Bill Frist. Andrew Frist is a distant relative of Senator Bill Frist. I know this because I am Andrew's cousin and know who his real uncles are. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.177.189.212 ( talk) 02:51, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Fabiano Caruana ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Moved from Wikipedia talk:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard ( Rd232 talk 05:00, 6 April 2009 (UTC)):
Mumia Abu Jamal ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) Malosinus changed the infobox from Template:Infobox Person to Template:Infobox Criminal. [19] This removed information about the subject's academic career, and added information about his convictions and real(?)/birth(?) name. I reverted, and User:Looper5920 re-reverted. Given that he is not just convicted, but also an author and political activist, I don't think that this infobox is appropriate. The only reason I am not reverting again is that the word "criminal" isn't actually displayed by the template.
I would like to have some clarity how we handle this kind of situation. I believe the global view on Mumia Abu Jamal is that he is very likely a political prisoner. Amnesty International do not say so ("In light of the contradictory and incomplete evidence in this case, Amnesty International can take no position on the guilt or innocence of Mumia Abu-Jamal. Nor has the organization identified him as a political prisoner, although it has previously expressed its concern over the activities of a government counterintelligence program, which appeared to number Abu-Jamal among its targets [...]." [20]), but they are generally extremely cautious with such statements and they clearly hint at the possibility. The European Parliament in various resolutions repeatedly asked for a re-trial. [21] Paris made him an honorary citizen and explicitly called him a political prisoner. [22] [23]
Mohamed ElBaradei ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Extremely poor article on this person of some significance (director of the IAEA for last ten years). I've chopped out a number of things that didn't belong, but still it's not going anywhere that's good BLP-wise. It's not a three-alarm libel issue, but it could really do with some eyes on it who are interested in writing a bio, and not in effectively trying to create content forks on the work of the IAEA. Rd232 talk 03:23, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm reporting this secondary to it having been reported at WP:ANI (see here) at the request of the person who reported it. One part of it can be seen in this edit, but I'm loath to call it simple vandalism. On one hand, the editor is posting questionable information, but on another, he/she is removing poorly/inadequately sourced biographical content. I reverted the article to before the recent edits started as a precautionary measure. —/ Mendaliv/ 2¢/ Δ's/ 14:38, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
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Ethnicity keeps getting introduced into lead and reverted without talk page discussion. Thank you, -- Tom (talk) 14:52, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Matthew J. Amorello ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
One or more editors, usually Alpha Centauri 2021, have made numerous changes to the page.
The edits are disruptive not only to the substance (removing relevant, well-sourced, NPOV information, replacing it with redundant recitations of the subject's official bio--political spin and all), but also in form (removing internal links and citations). This article is being repeatedly edited by a single user to cast Matthew Amorello in a more favorable light. This editor eliminates existing citations and does not include new, relevant ones for their own additions/edits.
Case in point: Matthew Amorello is mainly newsworthy due to his involvement in the Big Dig collapse. However, Alpha Centauri, in his repeated edits, will bring up points regarding Amorello's "spearheading the establishment of the Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy Greenway Conservancy, a public private partnership charged with maintaining and operating the newly created parkland in downtown Boston" and his involvement with "the Bruce Springsteen concert to open the Lenny Zakim Bunker Hill Bridge, the widest cable stay bridge in the world." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cornerstone79 ( talk • contribs) 18:11, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
I recently added to the article on Toby Keith a section entitled "Feud with Ethan Hawke and Kris Kristofferson". Another user and myself have discussed at length on the articles talk page whether the section should be included in the article and we have both decided that the best thing to do is bring it here. Please read the section and the talk page. BillyJack193 ( talk) 11:58, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
The article for Malaysia's new Prime Minister appears to be overburdened with trivialities and WP:BLP issues. I know nothing of Malaysian politics and am quite busy offline, but if someone with an eye for facts and research could look at this one, Wikipedia would be the better for it. Note that as far as I know there is no *dispute* as such - it being mostly just drive-bys adding the content - this post is more just an alert to those who would not normally edit on South-East Asian politics. I'm uninvolved in the article. Orderinchaos 12:16, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Robert Reich ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Since January, the following paragraph has been repeatedly added and deleted by various editors to the "After the Clinton Administration" section:
On January 23, 2009, CNN host Lou Dobbs characterized earlier remarks by Reich as implying "that race would play a large role in determining who would benefit from the economic stimulus package",[12] airing video of Reich commenting on the package. In the video, Reich said that he was concerned "...that these jobs not simply go to high school people who are already professionals or to white male construction workers. I have nothing against white male construction workers. I'm just saying that there are a lot of other people who have needs as well."[12]
The following link makes it very clear that the paragraph is based on a misleading and distorting report, and should therefore not be allowed on the page at all:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200901230015?f=h_latest
Ms oritahiti ( talk) 19:57, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
There's a few people who are reverting edits to much older versions that eliminates substantial work done recently. The page was formerly a mess with lots of outdated links, synthesis, coatrack, trivia, etc. that I cleaned up. However, instead of adding to it they simply revert for no apparent reason. Could we get a few more eyes on this to keep vandals from it? Startstop123 ( talk) 15:30, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Something weird going on with Michael Cl-Brown. Was moved there from Michael Brown (Liberal Democrats donor), and may have been BLP stubbed. May also have just been vandalised. Much longer article versions are in the page history, but they may not be BLP-compliant. Not sure if any suitable versions exist. Needs "living people" category added and other categories restored even if left as a stub. Might need moving again to a suitable name. Also need to make sure all references are to the right Michael Brown. Last stable version seems to be here, before it was edited by Special:Contributions/Nellocharlie (has only edited this article). Carcharoth ( talk) 01:08, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Hello, I am contacting you on behalf of Ron Dembo at Zerofootprint. We are trying to update his Biography on Wikipedia as it is currently out of date.
This is the new Biography we are tying to post:
Dr. Ron Dembo is the Founder and CEO of Zerofootprint, an organization dedicated to a mass reduction in global environmental impact. Zerofootprint provides software and services to individuals, governments, universities, and corporations that measures and manages carbon footprint and engages employees and citizens worldwide in combating climate change. Zerofootprint came in first place and won Gold in the Climate Change category at the Canadian Environment Awards in 2008.
Prior to founding Zerofootprint, Dr. Dembo was the Founder, CEO, and President of Algorithmics Incorporated, growing it from a start-up to the largest enterprise risk-management software company in the world, with offices in fifteen countries and over 70% of the world's top 100 banks as clients. Algorithmics was consistently voted as one of the top 50 best-managed companies in Canada.
Dr. Dembo has also had a distinguished ten-year academic career at Yale University, where he was cross-appointed between the Department of Computer Science and the School of Management. Dr. Dembo has published over sixty technical papers on finance and mathematical optimization, and holds a number of patents in computational finance. Dr. Dembo is the author of three books: Seeing Tomorrow: Rewriting the Rules of Risk, co-authored with Andrew Freedman, published in April 1998; Upside Downside: Simple Rules of Risk Management for the Smart Investor, co-authored with Daniel Stoffman, published in March 2006; and Everything You Wanted to Know About Offsetting But Were Afraid to Ask, co-authored with Clive Davidson, and released in May 2007.
In May 2007, Dr. Dembo was made a lifetime Fields Institute Fellow. This fellowship is awarded to individuals who have made outstanding contributions to the Fields Institute, its programs, and to the Canadian mathematical community. In July 2007, Dr. Dembo was inducted as a charter member of the Risk Who's Who. Dr. Dembo’s alma mater, the University of Waterloo, honoured Dr. Dembo with a Lifetime Achievement Award in 2007. He is also a member of the University of Waterloo’s Deans Advisory Council in the Faculty of Environment, and a member of the Board of Advisors to the President at the Ontario College of Art and Design University. Dr. Dembo is also the Chair of the Information Technology committee of the Board at Mount Sinai Hospital, and is a member of the Board of Governors of University of Toronto’s NSERC (Natural Sciences and Engineering Research Council) program.
Thanks for your help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.223.182.122 ( talk) 16:38, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
However, in this case, there isn't even a single source referring to anyone actually making this accusation. In the absence of such a source, the best we're left with is sources of people debunking the legend. This means that: Wikipedia says that (for example) snopes says that someone asked them about a legend that someone else may or may not have believed was true. How many degrees of separation is that?!? 209.90.135.182 ( talk) 20:22, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) I don't know how long this "rumor"/urban legend has been linked to Gere, but I know the same "story" was tied to a tv personallity in Philly during the early 80s. I swear that the "story" came across as "true" with hospital reports ect. I won't name the person obviously, they do have an article here, but most Philly folks around in the 80s will probably know who I am talking about. Anyways, agree with remove on site and block accordingly....unless you have 5x8 color glossies of course :) Cheers,-- Tom (talk) 21:20, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Five points:
Uncle G ( talk) 04:10, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
NOTE: The Richard Gere article has been full-protected by an uninvolved admin for "Excessive violations of the biographies of living persons policy"; protection to expire in two weeks. — Becksguy ( talk) 04:05, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Robert Sungenis ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
I've just declined a speedy on Robert Sungenis as the article is not unsourced. But its rather negative and could do with attention from someone who has at least a basic understanding of Christian theology (NB this isn't an attack on the current editors there, its an admission of my own lack of knowledge) Ϣere SpielChequers 07:32, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
This article is getting way out of hand. It is being used to track every movement of Robert Sungenis and then used as a launch pad to attack him.
Let's review the BLP policy:
"Wikipedia is a high-profile, widely-viewed website with an international scope, which means that material we publish about living people can affect their lives and the lives of their families, colleagues, and friends. Biographical material must therefore be written with strict adherence to our content policies."
"The article should document, in a non-partisan manner, what reliable secondary sources have published about the subject and, in some circumstances, what the subject may have published about themselves."
Reliable secondary sources are mainstream magazines, news reports, etc. Not internet chatter. Most of what is in this article is from Sungenis' own writings, with mainly Liam Patrick's interpretation. This is original research.
From original research:
"Original research is research that is not exclusively based on a summary, review or synthesis of earlier publications on the subject of research. This material is of a primary source character. "
This is what is occuring here.
Back to BLP:
"Criticism and praise of the subject should be represented if it is relevant to the subject's notability and can be sourced to reliable secondary sources, and so long as the material is written in a manner that does not overwhelm the article or appear to take sides;"
The article is overwhelmed by Liam Patrick's (and others to be fair) original research based on Sungenis' writings.
"When writing about a person notable only for one or two events, including every detail can lead to problems, even when the material is well-sourced. In the best case, it can lead to an unencyclopedic article. In the worst case, it can be a serious violation of our policies on neutrality. When in doubt, biographies should be pared back to a version that is completely sourced, neutral, and on-topic."
"n the case of significant public figures, there will be a multitude of reliable, third-party published sources to take material from, and Wikipedia biographies should simply document what these sources say. "
Obviously there is not an overwhelming amount of third party material, so Robert Sungenis is not to be considered a "significant public figure".
"Wikipedia also contains biographies of people who, while notable enough for an entry, are not generally well known. In such cases, exercise restraint and include only material relevant to their notability, while omitting information that is irrelevant to the subject's notability. Material from third-party primary sources should not be used unless it has first been published by a reliable secondary source. Material published by the subject must be used with caution."
I see lack of caution, especially in using even Sungenis' own material, which is being turned into original research.
I understand that Patrick Liam is frustrated that he cannot use the attack websites and blogs as sources, so he has turned to Sungenis' own writings to attempt to follow the policy guidelins. Godd for him. Unfortunately this has turned into Liam Patrick's original research.Proportionality is highly skewed in this article. Karl Keating is one of the best known, most active Catholic apologists out there, and compare the articles. Mr. Keating's article is encyclopedic. Robert SUngnis' is not. Wyattmj (talk) 16:16, 9 April 2009 (UTC) Wyattmj ( talk) 18:10, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
This article has been problematic for POV, OR and BLP for months, and recently underwent a major revision. The questionable material is being re-introduced into the article. I propose that this article be blocked from general view until concerns regarding possible libelous content, and clearly objectionable BLP content, be reviewed and resolved. -- Ibinthinkin ( talk) 14:43, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi. I want to bring the Varg Vikernes page to people's attention. The whole discussion board is a mess and filled with supporters of the guy. These are people who will dispute, obscure, or even remove, information that Vikernes is a convicted murderer because they believe he is innocent. This has a tendency to seep into the article itself, and has been doing so for a long time now. I've had legitimate citations removed apparently because they revealed his racist, pseudo-neo-Nazi ideology a little too clearly. I made the edits on 09/27/08, and I have not logged in since. I found today that not only were they deleted, but that two different people made their way to my talk page and accused me of libel and improper editing, with an air of authority that they clearly do not have. FYI, I have more than enough academic education to know about proper citations. I can post the quotes in question if requested, or inquisitive minds can check my edit history and go to the edits in questions (09/27/08).
To make a long story short, here is the core of the problem: Vikernes, an obscure Norwegian musician, has a small, but rabid cult following. They have made it clear through edits and explicitly clear on the discussion page that the only true credible source on the topic of Varg Vikernes is...Varg Vikernes. Surprise, surprise.
To the people in charge of this project, PLEASE keep a close eye on this one. Put it on the watch list. At least put up a disclaimer on there. People are actively making edits that use Vikernes' own writing on his web page as a source. Not only that, but they are claiming on the discussion board that his webpage is a more credible source than anything else out there. Keep in mind he is a convicted murderer, and all credible evidence points to him being both a pathological liar and someone in a perpetual state of identity crisis. When I made a comment on the discussion board, admittedly an opinionated one, that the section detailing the murder was clearly written with the intent of making Vikernes appear wrongly accused and unjustly imprisoned, the reply I got was this: "Think about it for a second - Varg's account of the murder is the most accurate one, because Euronymous [the victim] can't exactly give his side of the story, and Snorre was having a smoke outside while it happened. Also, there's no reason for Varg to lie about the murder, he's already been in prison for 14 years... its not like lying is going to get him out." ( Temple-of-Monkeys) I rest my case, sirs and madams.
There are people who are actively making an effort to keep things objective on the page, but it is clear this battle has been going on for far too long to not have an administrator put this article on notice. With the fact that Vikernes has been granted parole after serving 16 years of a 21 year sentence, I can only see things getting worse. The ultimate reason this article needs tending to is not because he is an important guy, but because he is another right-wing extremist mental-case with a following, and these people need to be kept in check. Thanks for your time. Fermentor ( talk) 08:54, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Eliseo Soriano ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) - The lead sentence of this article is on the borderline of a possible BLP violation because he is described as "an international fugitive" in regards to a sexual assault case against him. I would like outside input on this. // wL< speak· check> 21:56, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
I also suspect that the article is subject of heavy meat/ sockpuppetry by numerous new accounts. Twri ( talk) 16:20, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
I nominated Susan Boyle for AFD, see here per WP:N, as I'm not sure she satisfies notability guidelines. Do we have specific guidelines regarding whether talent-show auditionees are notable? D.M.N. ( talk) 18:45, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
Please review this. It's ok, I'll wait.
Great. Now I'd like to hear from folks who haven't yet spoken. Should Otto Kerner be an American Criminal? Lead Belly? Frank LaGrotta? What's the standard? Thanks for your kind consideration. David in DC ( talk) 01:01, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
This discussion would benefit from the wisdom of a few more people than me, Will Beback, Rd, and Just Getting It Right. David in DC ( talk) 05:31, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
This RfC desperately needs contributors other than me, Will and JustGettingItRight. David in DC ( talk) 19:51, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Sections in the Helen Jones-Kelley and Joe the Plumber articles could possibly be UNDUE and might include undue allegations per the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services database search controversy. Can other editors lend some suggestions and/or advice on whether any of the information in these two articles violates UNDUE or/or BLP? Thanks. Ism schism ( talk) 23:19, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Could someone check out Miguel Cima? It, well, feels rather odd. Notability might be there, but some very strange sections and I'm not sure the pictures are genuine - might need confirmation from the uploader about those. The last section in particular needs serious attention or removal. Carcharoth ( talk) 00:11, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Could we have a few days of semiprotection on Phil Spector ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)? In the wake of today's guilty verdict, it is hard to stem the tide of IP-editor vandalism. TJRC ( talk) 21:43, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Lindsay Lohan ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Hello. I'm concerned about the use of the LBGT category in the Lindsay Lohan article.
It isn't that I think she's obviously straight or anything (having a girlfriend, ex or not, kinda makes it hard to make a claim like that with a straight face). However, the
BLP policy page says that you can't add that sort of category unless they "self-identify" as such.
The article includes two relevant quotes. In relation to her being bisexual, she says, "Maybe. Yeah." (So, it's a little iffy, but an argument could be made for including it, in spite of the 'maybe') But she then follows it with a disclaimer, "I don't want to classify myself." It would seem, to me, that that insufficiently meets the "self-identifying" requirement. (saying, "I don't want to classify myself" seems close enough to, "I don't want to categorize myself)
Anyways, the category has been removed before, for precisely that reason, but it then got re-added (without even an edit summary). It originally got readded with a 'lesbian' category (in spite of her explicitly stating that she isn't lesbian), but only that one got removed by another editor.
I've made a note on the article's talk page, but sometimes those aren't used very much and I lack the ability to edit it myself, so I prefer to list these types of concerns on the BLP noticeboard as well. (in other words, I think a discussion fits the article's talk page best, but I felt this was the best way to get the attention of people familiar with BLP policy)
209.90.133.75 (
talk) 18:15, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
Ahh yes, the "Explanation" parameter. We've used it before when we couldn't get others to fully understand project tags:
That's how it would be used. - ✰ ALLST☆R✰ echo 19:10, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
In the Harper's Bazaar, there's this exchange:
To my reading, she does say she'd classify herself as a bisexual, but not as a lesbian. Will Beback talk 03:51, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
I have had an email request to delete the above article by its creator Mrsmuck ( talk · contribs) because "the subject of the article was not responsible for the content uploaded and has requested an immediate deletion". I have no doubt that this is a sincere request but I am not sure how to progress it as WP:CSD#G7 probably does not apply because another editor has made a significant contribution. The subject is of borderline notability and I want to honour her request to delete but I am not sure I have a rationale to speedy delete. Thoughts? -- Mattinbgn\ talk 13:05, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
The sources given for this person are in Russian. I have asked for the relevant text from the sources to be placed on the talk page with translations. But my removal of text which does not have sources was reverted with the comment "not allegations, but facts rather. sourced in Russian" but without anything on the talk page. I think for such facts then there should be translations given of the Russian sources on the talk page, so non Russian speakers can judge if the sources back up the facts on the page or even is such names as "В России начали составлять список запрещенных книг" is a reliable source. I would appreciate if some other editors would look in and see if my requests are reasonable. -- PBS ( talk) 22:04, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
We can't have someone called an Anti-Semite on the basis of the poster's assertion that the source backs it up. We can only have serious allegations if they are supported by sources that the average reader can check and confirm. Otherwise what's to stop me posting any libel and sourcing it from an obscure language, in the safe knowledge that most Wikipedians can't check. We need quality control on negative BLP material, and foreign language sources do not provide it. I have reverted.-- Scott Mac (Doc) 01:41, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
This bio is being vandalized by someone close to the subject. At first she was inserting herself into the biographical background, which I toned down, in order to focus on Barron as subject (and to follow guidelines--her work history can't be referenced properly).
Now she's vandalizing the page by discrediting the content of the bio. I don't think she knows there's a talk page to dispute claims on the bio, or at least, she's never used it. She's posted as two anonymous editors: Integrityplus, and AlmaDenise. The content of the edits is very personal information about Barron's career background. Could other editors keep a look-out on this page? I just deleted a potentially libelous sentence that was placed in the middle of the article, claiming the subject is lying about his work background and I'm worried she'll strike again. It's been going on since 2/09. Thanks much, everyone. -- Utilizer ( talk) 18:29, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
One more of several continuing problems at
Gilad Atzmon.
Wikipedia:BLP#Using_the_subject_as_a_self-published_source says Material that has been self-published by the subject may be added to the article only if:...2. it does not involve claims about third parties
This diff also contained in
this section includes fully quoted sections of these diffs (I.E.,
1,
2,
3,
4 ,
5,
6) where the editor trying to include this material against BLP policy has attacked both the subject of the article and other editors, just to show this editor’s strong POV. If people can't deal with this issue here, I'll bring to
WP:NPOVN notice board:
This is all very hard to follow - I took a look and ended up changing something else. Wikipedia coverage of any person that controversial in the political arena, who uses such charged language, is going to present some thorny BLP and NPOV issues. How to get the gist of what he is about, and the context, without implicitly endorsing either him or his critics? This particular issue looks to be more of a sourcing problem than a BLP or NPOV problem. The quote in question is "In the UK bigotry and racism is becoming a Jews-only territory". He did write that, didn't he? It's hardly a BLP violation against Atzmon to repeat what he said. But I agree that it should either be put in context or not included at all. Provocative words, out of context, confuse more than they enlighten. But what basis is there for putting it in context? I could find no reliable sources that comment on what he meant by that, only an analysis of his own words. Trying to explain it, with reference to his own piece, is a form of original research. We're supposed to simply report on what the sources say, not conduct an analysis of them. Wikidemon ( talk) 16:03, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
<backdent>Actually the only question is, is the article self-published, if it is on Palestine Think Tank. I've been assuming it is. Maybe it's not, in which case the context must be mentioned. Will check it out. CarolMooreDC ( talk) 12:39, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
I think this issue of what you can used from self-published sources is important and glad at least one independent person has commented. Meanwhile, if people think it is OK to use a general statement from Atzmon in what is an article mostly making claims about specific individuals, why not merely mention the actual quote that Atzmon refs to with a link to it, per this:
Forgot to sign couple days ago: CarolMooreDC ( talk) 19:08, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
FYI, per Wikipedia:COATRACK I've put that tag on since it is clear that the POV is not to provide balanced view point on Atzmon's views and criticism of those, but to keep adding and adding out of context primary sources to show that wikipedia can be used to annihilate any one who some people consider antisemites. CarolMooreDC ( talk) 15:54, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
This page records (with good sources) an arrest, in 2007, but no later details nor any conviction. Without a conviction, the alleged criminal's name does not belong here, nor does The Bishop belong in the American Criminals category. Would someone please update this page with the results of the prosecution. Otherwise it's ripe for an AfD. It's stale, uninformative, and unencyclopedic to have an article that stops with the charges and arrest in 2007. David in DC ( talk) 17:06, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Since I still keep coming across issues where people falsely say "blogs can't be sources"--an out and out incorrect statement--I've whipped up Wikipedia:Blogs as sources/ WP:BLOGS as a quick reference distilled from RS & BLP policy pages to give a quick clue on how blogs are allowed to be used from certain websites, and how on what articles. Any feedback on the talk is appreciated there. rootology ( C)( T) 03:07, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
The author has sent an email to OTRS ( otrs:2009031310056877) in regards to his article. I don't see any blatant BLP issues but I think the articles needs a review for sourcing, particularly the "Windsor-Essex Development Commission" section. I've blocked WEWhistleBlower ( talk · contribs) as a SPA with a clear agenda. If anybody could take a look at the article it would be appreciated, thanks. BJ Talk 06:53, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Another subject request ( otrs:2009041210030322). The disputed is edit is this which was removed here and restored here. Thanks. BJ Talk 07:09, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Recent changes to this page have been made: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Abrams
The sources are not legitimate sources, but anonymous blogs. Having deleted them, a number of users continue to post information that is not properly sourced. Based on the blog sources, these changes to this page appear to malicious in nature
Please advise
"Chill687",
—Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Chill687 (
talk •
contribs) 05:01, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Steve Dufouris correct. The entry should be removed for lack of notability. That being said, the earlier posts were not sourced and appeared to be of a personal nature and should be removed as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chill687 ( talk • contribs) 17:29, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Could do with someone dropping by - Benjiboi insists on constantly changing the article to their version claiming BLP/NPOV issues when the current version was the consensus view to avoid BLP/NPOV issues based on a discussion last year that already involved an admin. Benjiboi is unwilling to discuss things on a point by point basis and claims the old version just had issues and was "rubbish". Zoe O'Connell ⚢⚧ ( talk) 11:09, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
The RfC is here
The following is the old and proposed versions of the same content which is at dispute. The old version was reached under a consensus of editors at the time in 2008. The new version claims to address some policy concerns. Any insight into which version may serve the subject and our readers best is appreciated.
Please comment at the RfC.
Seperately I'm concerned about georgiagrrl ( talk · contribs) as a SPA. -- Banjeboi 14:31, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Brewster McCracken (
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talk |
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delete |
links |
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logs |
views) is a candidate to a coming election in
Austin, Texas.
This guy
Austinadams2k (
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contribs ·
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filter log ·
block user ·
block log) does not look good to me - Have a look at his contribs and see, for example,
this diff.
Jerome Potts (
talk) 15:53, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
I might be having problems with the correct formatting of this post as I am the library. Anywho, the important part is the following link. I believe it needs careful examination by more expeirenced editors then I. Lots and lots of weirdness.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janice_Pennington#Bloopers_and_mishaps
Airi & Meiri ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
This article has been plagued with some really shady sources, including lots of biographical "facts" sourced directly to sales sites, as well as a dozen plus sales sites cited as sources for factual claims. Some extra eyes on this would be appreciated. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire - past ops) 13:22, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Could someone check out the disagreement on this article's talk page: Hak Ja Han? It's not really a serious BLP problem but still a difference of opinion about proper sources for an article on a living person. It has been at a standstill for quite a while. Steve Dufour ( talk) 02:27, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
An IP user(unregistered) feels that I've been biased in my edits at this page. He goes on say "Alturism indulging in biased edits and deleting uncomfortable truths about their hero." Please do reverse my edits, if you find this user's accusations to be right. - Altruism T a l k - Contribs. 07:05, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Carmine Avellino ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) - Unreferenced biography of a mobster. The only reference is a New Jersey government site that only lists people who are banned from casinos. -- Blanchardb - Me• MyEars• MyMouth- timed 11:35, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
In order to have an organized page centralizing all the tasks relating to biographies of living people, a WikiProject has been created. There are several areas in need of greater attention, each listed on the project page. This is a project-wide problem that needs everyone's attention. Please take a look and help where you can. لenna vecia 20:19, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
List of Austinites is totally uncited. It needs references so people can prove that the people on the list really are Austin natives. WhisperToMe ( talk) 20:18, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Ciaexposed ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) - this user's only edits are to Bobby Pittman, which appear to be defamatory/libelous. scootey talk 06:34, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
In the following reverts and edits: [26], [27], [28], [29] apparently disruptive editor [30], kept adding allegations that are both harmful and are a form of personal attack to the page. I suggest clearing the page history to comply with BLP requirements. I have checked all possible reliable sources and could only find some blog sites or personal attack sites that should not be used as a sources for BLPs. This editor is blocked, but BLPs needs to be watched. Wikidās ॐ 12:18, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
The whole article is dire and needs sandblasting, it's a loveletter as it current stands. I'm going to turn the flamethrowers on it. -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 12:31, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
God, I'd only noticed the first one, they all need work - looks like I'll need my bigger flamethrower.. -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 12:45, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
Deborah Peagler article seems entirely non-neutral, and inflamatory towards Steve Cooley.
131.111.139.103 ( talk) 13:20, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
A couple of days ago, I raised some concerns on the talk page of this article (see Talk:Jennifer Fitzgerald#BLP concerns). The article is named as a biography, but it's not. It's almost completely about her alleged affair with George H. W. Bush. One of the primary authors of the article ( User:Daniel Case) agrees that it should be renamed, though neither of us is sure what a better name would be. I also question the appropriateness of the article, as it's based on allegations and rumors. Some more eyes on the article and some opinions would be appreciated. Thanks. لenna vecia 19:27, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
I agree that the title should be changed, preferably without mentioning Jennifer at all, since she is not the notable person in all this. The incident it only notable because of the link to President Bush, and the title should reflect that. Take 1993 child sexual abuse accusations against Michael Jackson as a example. The title needs to mention the incident (child sexual abuse, or adultery in this case), the notable person (Michael Jackson, or Bush in this case). Finally the title needs to clarify that nothing has been proven, so "accusation" or "allegation" thrown in will help. Titles with words such as "controversy" or "scandal" should be avoided. — R 2 18:58, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
Susan Roesgen ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) - Lots of NPOV and BLP issues regarding a recent controversy this reporter has been in. Also undue weight issues - the article is basically a stub without the controversy. Keeping a lid on it so far but help is always nice. Gamaliel ( talk) 15:33, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
I have a history with user:Vintagekits. I would therefore appreciate it if someone else were to check whether Crosby is sufficiently "disgraced" to satisfy WP:RS. The diff is at [31]. Kittybrewster ☎ 19:10, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
After reading this page I have a few comments. First, this page seems libelous, also this page is discriminatory and inflammatory. Non-neutral and partial. It does not state or reference any of Council President Conyers accomplishments as a teacher, an public school administrator, nor a President pro tempor of City Council nor as President. I have a serious problem with bigoted pages created with no facts but just the opinions of others who do not like her. The only thing factual that I saw was that she was being investigated by the FBI, however they have determined that she has not done anything wrong. Someone please assist me in rectification of these issues and i'd greatly appreciate it. Kcgs1989 ( talk) 23:25, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
I am concerned that the majority of the article deals with the fallout from his assault on his partner, and only a little with the illustrious career which preceded the details becoming public less than a year ago. On the other hand, the events of the past year have had massive publicity in New Zealand, for example his conviction a few days ago was given the first ten minutes of the hour-long prime time news on TV3 (and probably a similar coverage on the other main channel), and occupied much of the front page and all of page 2 of the New Zealand Herald the following day. The accuracy of testimonials were again headlined on the television news and in the newspapers a day later, and his suicide attempt yesterday was the lead story on TV3 yesterday and in the Herald this morning. Such coverage has been frequent since July last year.
Our article is reasonably well-sourced, and I believe it is neutral in tone. While it was created in response to the assault details becoming public in July 2008, it would have been reasonable for an article to have been created on Veitch as a well known sports broadcaster before that. This isn't someone famous only for one event, although he has certainly become much more famous in New Zealand as a result of that event. There is no problem with the behaviour of any editor of the article. In short, this is not a flagrant abuse of the BLP policy.
I feel uneasy about the article although it's only a tiny proportion of the flood of material in the NZ media about Veitch at the moment. Is it okay for the article to have its current weighting, or is this "undue weight"? Is it acceptable to leave it for a few years in the hope that new material will be added on his past and future endeavours, and eventually this will become one section of many documenting his life. Should we attempt to reduce the detail in the article to improve the balance? For example, we could remove most of the "Resignation from media work" section.- gadfium 05:06, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
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Taner Akçam ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
There need to be more eyes watching this article, which is the BLP of a Turkish academic teaching at Clark University. The article is usually not very active, but every so often it sees a spate of editors inserting negative material, because Akçam is one of the first Turkish academics to acknowledge and write about the Armenian Genocide. In the past, editors have inserted statements labelling Akçam a terrorist into the article, which once resulted in him being detained at the U.S.-Canada border.
Right now, a new editor, User:Kirlikovali, is inserting the claim that a position Akçam held in 2007 at the U. of Minnesota was funded by Armenians, and therefore his scholarship is biased-- [3] [4]. The "source" for this edit is a letter Kirlikovali says he received from Minnesota's general counsel, printed at User talk:Kirlikovali. Needless to say, this is not an adequate source for the claims made. --Akhilleus ( talk) 21:12, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Is the posting of someones twitter account forbidden as providing contact information or is it allowed as is a persons website/blog? -- The Red Pen of Doom 13:28, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
The question of overcategorization, as it applies to the subject of a BLP, is joined, both in recent reversions and re-reversions at the subject's page. Would others with an interest in whether or not the "American Criminal" category is overcategorization where the "Politicians who have been convicted of crimes" categorization is undisputed please chime in on the talk page and with edits, if appropriate? I have in mind WP:UNDUEWEIGHT. What do others think? David in DC ( talk) 19:52, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
A bigger issue is the definition of the category itself: membership of Category:American criminals is given by being convicted of a "notable felony" (plus some non-convicted where guilt is undisputed). I don't know where/how "notable felony" is defined... Anyway this category is part of Category:American people by occupation. This seems to elide technically being a criminal (i.e convicted of a felony crime) with being a criminal by occupation, a huge leap. Even if the category weren't placed within the "occupation" category, this same leap occurs with applying Category:American criminals directly to BLPs of people who don't earn the majority of their living through crime (that being the common usage of "criminal" IMO). This leap between technical definition and common usage is problematic to the point of being a WP:NPOV problem. Rd232 talk 20:46, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Happily, Will has proposed that he stop reverting my American Criminals deletions and I stop deleting entirely in the American Criminals category, pending further conversation, consolidated in one place. And I have agreed. It's here. I will next start the thread he proposes. David in DC ( talk) 00:56, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Kyra Phillips ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
An issue was raised at WP:COI/N regarding editing of the article on Kyra Phillips by a CNN-based editor. However, in reviewing the article, I perceive that it has more serious BLP issues, which if addressed would probably resolve the COI problem. Over half of the article consists of “criticisms”, mishaps and gaffes, a number of which are cited to blogs, YouTube and dead connections. Could someone here help guide the editors toward developing a more balanced and NPOV article? TIA, Askari Mark (Talk) 04:24, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
I've edited the article a bit (partly to address Kevin's concern, which I share) and left a talkpage comment. Avruch T 21:50, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Unreferenced WP:BLP article, subject of recent disruption from an WP:SPA, could use some extra eyes, and cleanup with sourcing. Thanks, Cirt ( talk) 21:05, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Actually, on further thought I've proposed it for AfD. Avruch T 22:51, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
The introduction to this article says (among other things) that she is "despised." This article is a BLP. The claim is extremely negative and is not referenced. The article is protected from editing by people like me. Would somebody please immediately remove this potentially libelous claim? 74.1.175.146 ( talk) 23:57, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Propaganda Due (P2) was a quasi-Masonic Lodge that was at the heart of a huge financial scandal in Italy, back in the 1980s... Both the group and the scandal were real, but both has subsequently become fodder for various conspiracy theorists.
The article contains a section on "notable members" of P2, and I have serious concerns about whether such a section passes WP:BLP. The core issue here is that the article lists people (some living, some dead) as being members of P2 based on what are essentially rumors reported in the tabloid press, at various conspiracy theory websites, and other unreliable (or at best semi-reliable) sources. Some (but hardly all) of these sources say that they got their information from an offical report created by the Italian government. That report apparently contains an appendix that lists the names of people found on a rolodex owned by the groops leader. The assumption that the unreliable sources make is that the names on this rolodex were all members of the Lodge (an assumption that is questioned in reliable sources and which is actually warned against in the previous section of our article). In other words, we have a list of "members", supported by citations to rumors that claim their names were on a list that might be a list of members (but might not be).
I have attempted to raise my concerns about this several times on the article's talk page, and tried to remove what I think is a clear BLP violation, but my concerns have been ignored. Please take a look at the article and help resolve this. Blueboar ( talk) 15:26, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Given that membership in organization was, on its own, illegal... And that there is no way of knowing for sure which of the supposed members actually joined, which were included on the membership list without their knowledge, and which were simply in the Rolodex of Gelli... I'd say that the names themselves, but not necessarily the description of the list and its publication, should be removed. They don't seem to lend much crucial information to the article, and we ought to err on the side of not inaccurately describing "notable" people as having committed a crime. Avruch T 21:34, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Jacqui Smith ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
I'm all for april fools, but i find todays ITN item "A newspaper discovers that pay-per-view porn is amongst a number of unusual things being purchased by British MPs on their claimed expenses." tasteless, and more importantly a potential violation of BLP for Jacqui Smith. If we can't have Fair use content on the front page because we are such a high profile website, then I believe that anything that reeks like a potential BLP issue, should not be allowed either. We are making fun and exposing to a much wider audience the trouble a certain individual is facing (how rightfully that trouble may be). Who are we to decide that that is OK when it is "just" an april fools. I'd like to know what other people think. -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 03:04, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi. Text has been repeatedly added to this article which I believe to be problematic under WP:BLP, including such allegations as "The sexual politics of the group was bizarre." The large chunk of material which includes these allegations is unsourced. The material has been several times restored with the note that sources are pending. Additional input on this matter would be appreciated. -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 21:16, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Considering the recent rumors regarding an alleged affair with her co-star, some editors have taken to adding this info in her article, which I promptly removed. I also left a note regarding this issue on the talk page. I'm bringing attention to this here, so editors can keep a lookout on the article. -- Whip it! Now whip it good! 23:44, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
WhipIt:What was the hefty price that NYT paid for the Jayson Bliar lies? Yes they did write a coverstory article about how he lied & plagarised. I read your 'hefty price' to mean financially. Did their page views drop or ad revenue drop? 70.108.102.252 ( talk) 18:31, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
I've been watchlisting this article for some time due to persistent BLP problems. It concerns a veteran French journalist who has been the target of a fairly virulent online campaign for several years (he is effectively a hate figure in some quarters). He has been accused of various misdeeds by his detractors; the allegations against him are currently the subject of litigation in France and were judged defamatory by a French court in 2006. Unfortunately there have been persistent attempts to use his Wikipedia article to rehash these allegations and present them as fact or otherwise to discredit or impeach him, which raises obvious BLP and potential legal issues for us. I've started a discussion about a rash of recent edits at Talk:Charles Enderlin#Describing defamatory claims and who makes them. Outside input would be appreciated so that we can have the benefit of a second opinion. -- ChrisO ( talk) 01:21, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Please check talk page Joel Fitzgibbon
I feel that Helen Liu( Liu Haiyan Chinese:刘海燕) of the Australian Diamond Hill Company) deserves a wiki, the reasons and sources
I feel that Helen Liu will go down into Australia's political history. Arilang talk 11:30, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Politicians come and go, but Ms Liu will stay rich and famous regardless of who is in power, Labor or otherwise. Arilang talk 16:37, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Poorly referenced WP:BLP article, subject of recent disruptions from WP:SPAs and IPs (see history). Protection requested but no response. Need some help. Thanks-- Amore Mio ( talk) 10:22, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Totally unsourced, poorly written, and I have no idea what "spoutus" means, and if it's an attack. Who then was a gentleman? ( talk) 19:47, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Alexander Waugh ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) - Subject apprently wants article deleted, edited article as 84.43.125.213 and left this : (Alexander Waugh) who wishes to have this article deleted, which (since he is said to have written it himself) should present no difficulty to the administrators of Wikipedia. If, however, the tag stating that his entry is "autobiography" is removed he will be happy to have this modest entry retained. The edit summary was (Was unable to delete entry. Have added sentence to draw attention of administrators to my plight. Hope it works AW)
The article was started by User:Awaugh, so I think this is what the autobio tag is referring to, and thus, the edit by the anon ip. I have invited the anon ip to participate in this discussion. Gareth E Kegg ( talk) 20:13, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Gavi Stulberg ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) - This article should be deleted immediately, for the following reasons:
a)The citations provided are fictitious. The links do not exist.
b) This individual is not notable. This appears to be an article, written by a group of immature high school students about one of their colleagues. This person is "relatively unknown." He is not a notable subject. Per the wikipedia guidelines:
c) The tone of this article is inappropriate for Wikipedia:
"Biographies of living people should be written responsibly, conservatively, and in a neutral, encyclopedic tone. While a strategy of eventualism may apply to other subject areas, badly written biographies of living persons should be stubbed or deleted (see #Remove unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material)."
d) The guidelines for "Biographies of living persons" can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons. This article meets the standard for deletion:
"If the entire page is substantially of poor quality, containing primarily unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons, then it may be necessary to delete the entire page as an initial step, followed by discussion." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.51.241.201 ( talk • contribs)
Darko Trifunović ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is repeatedly being blanked by Darko Trifunovic ( talk · contribs), who claims to be the subject of the article. It's been the target of a lot of disruptive editing by Serbian and Bosnian editors over the years, as the individual in question appears to be fairly controversial. In the last few months a series of anonymous IPs have repeatedly attempted to replace the article with a poorly written curriculum vitae. The problems appear to be reaching a new stage now, so input from an uninvolved administrator would be appreciated.
I've also posted this to the administrators' incidents noticeboard. -- ChrisO ( talk) 00:30, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
An article on a movie production firm. Various IP's and new accounts are repeatedly inserting allegations of criminal conduct by company employees, referenced only by blog entries, which fail WP:RS. Although the article itself is not a biography, the BLP guidelines indicate the policy applies to biographical material about living persons on any page.
There's been a cycle of adding and removing the material - I locked the page for a week to encourage discussion, but the blog-referenced allegations were simply restored as soon as protection expired. I'm considering a longer-term semi-protection but wanted to bring it here for additional sets of eyes first. Euryalus ( talk) 03:47, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Soapboxing aside, is Talk:Michelle_Obama#Michelle_Obama.27s_legal_and_health_care_services_career a BLP violation? Who then was a gentleman? ( talk) 01:12, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. I've removed the discussion and will inform the OQ. Who then was a gentleman? ( talk) 22:59, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Edward Lodge ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) Another editor and I are concerned with what we consider to be libel in the section of "Investigation into banking practices," the claims made in the section, especially the claims made by the Oregon Observer, this claim is made by a non-notable newspaper, and is not even referenced by it or any other source [11]. The removal of this absolutely baseless claim has been reverted many times with no explanation, or additional citations. The only reference, made earlier in the section, is to a blog, which is not peer reviewed or reliable, and whose own disclaimer at the beginning of the page claims: "This page contains articles and tidbits submitted by concerned citizens, for concerned citizens. Take the articles for what they are worth and try to verify their accuracy. It is up to the reader to gauge the article's accuracy." This is not even a remotely reliable source and I hope that this potential libel will remain off the page until more accurate, verifiable documentation is provided. " Miltenburg67 ( talk) 05:19, 3 April 2009 (UTC)"
I see what may be a libelous statement at [13], and tried to strike out the potentially libelous comment made by an anonymous IP editor. Now an edit war is initiated, placing the comment back in. I would appreciate a third opinion whether the potentially libelous statement should be struck. Thanks. SaltyBoatr ( talk) 18:02, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Jennifer Fitzgerald ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard/Archive61#Jennifer_Fitzgerald You can think what ever you want about my motivation for mentioning this article but it's slanderous, and it's sources are not very reliable. Fodient ( talk) 20:08, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
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Hello,
I'm somewhat concerned about the treatment of a certain police officer in the
Ryan Moats and
Zach Thomas articles.
For those not familiar with the event, the cop basically robbed Moats of his last chance to see a relative before they died. However, as horrible as that is, it was still within the context of doing his job (however poorly he may have been doing it).
Since then, the only times his name has been mentioned publicly has been in the context of this event (whether directly or indirectly).
The mention in Thomas's article is even more disturbing, as it is only because of a single article that mentioned Thomas's wife, and was still within the context of the issue with Moats.
Keeping this in mind (and I've also tried to explain part of my arguments on the Ryan Moats talk page, so by all means, get a better explanation there), I don't see how the officer's name can be used within the articles. Well, actually, I don't understand how the incident is relevant to Thomas's article at all, since the event didn't even involve Thomas. But my primary concern is with the mention of his name, since that seems to be a significant BLP concern.
As explained in the
policy page, names of people who aren't public figures, relating primarily to a single event, should be omitted if it doesn't significantly detract from the article.
Anyways, I would appreciate if a few of you could look at that sectino of the policy page again (the 'privacy of names' section), look at my arguments on the Moats talk page, and then perhaps weigh in? Both in terms of the Moats article and the Thomas article.
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(outdent) Just to follow up, thanks for the input from others. I don't think, nor was I saying that we need to nuke the entire section. This "incident" was widely reported and is more than well sourced. Just rename the section title, reduce it in size, and leave out the commentary. The incident, which has been pointed out by others but not included in the article, actually reflects on how well this individual handled the situation and didn't allow it to escalate into something truely ugly. If that had been me, I would have kicked the cop in the nuts and been on my way, but I am a hot head :). I renamed the section for now and hopefully over time this "material" can be trimmed back and other relevant facts added to the bio to improve it. Anyways, -- Tom (talk) 21:43, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
I've deleted the entire section. The only source given (and only remotely reliable source I can find - but I'm not sure I consider it reliable either) only gives one para on McNaughton stepping down due to child support controversy - no details. [14] The rest of what was in the article is unsourced, possibly WP:OR. I can find nothing useful in terms of reliable sources. Rd232 talk 14:10, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Roger Chiang ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
While cleaning out the catchall Category:American criminals I came across Roger Chiang. The article was peppered with dozens of recently added {fact} tags along with older hat tags. [15] After investigating briefly I decided first to revert to an earlier version and then to delete large unsourced or POV portions, including some that made negative assertions about 3rd parties. [16] [17] An anon restored the material and I deleted it again, asking for sources. Then another IP address, presumably the same person and possibly the subject, reverted again while making a claim of libel. [18] I've now stubbed the article. There appear to be ample sources describing the subject, they just need to be used. I won't make any further edits for the time being except to delete unsourced additions. Will Beback talk 19:32, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Priscilla Presley ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Could people with spare time keep an eye on this? I've just removed some nasty BLP violations and lots of unsourced and inappropriate material, and I expect there will be editors trying to add some of it back. And the material that's left could use more eys on it. I just cleaned out the really bad stuff. Amazing that it was allowed to stand in an article on a fairly well-known person for so long. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz ( talk) 20:02, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
I am thinking Priscilla Presley#Life with Elvis this section should be removed until someone is willing to do a BLP sensitive re-write. A blow-by-blow from a sensationalist book is inappropriate.-- Scott Mac (Doc) 20:29, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Ryan O'Neal ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Ditto with this article, as with the two above. Approx. half the article devoted to very recent arrests and other salacious material. Have removed but more input would be terrific. Seems that celebrity and show business bios attract this kind of thing. Maybe there should be a "Wikiproject Celebrity Biographies BLP Issues" or something like that. Stetsonharry ( talk) 20:08, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Mehmet Oz ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Please look into this editing conflict. This discussion was taken from Mehmet Oz's talk page on April 3, 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.89.115.184 ( talk • contribs)
I added a revised section with added referencing on Dr. Oz's dog experiments at Columbia University; to this article on March 28, 2009. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.89.115.184 ( talk • contribs)
I removed this junk. Dr. Oz is not mentioned in any of the source materials. Only on two activist websites. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.237.196.228 ( talk) 19:41, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
The main source was a 2004 letter from Mary Beth Sweetland to Elizabeth Goldentyer, DVM of the USDA. Dr. Oz and his dogs (as in Oz dogs) are discussed on pages 2 through 5. http://www.columbiacruelty.com/letters/USDA1104.pdf Most of the website information was reproduced from this pdf document. It is usually "activist sites" which make a point of documenting animal abuse. Furthermore, this uncontested information appears to have been online for quite sometime, since the incident took place in 2004. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.89.115.184 ( talk • contribs) , April 2009
The removed section reads:
In 2004, complaints about Dr. Mehmet Oz’s dog experiments were cited in a report produced by an internal investigation conducted by Columbia University into allegations of poor animal care made by Dr. Catherine Dell’Orto, a post-doctoral veterinarian at Columbia. http://www.columbiacruelty.com/feat-pupkillings.asp This letter contains lab animal records from Columbia's internal committee’s investigation, including dogs under Dr. Oz. http://www.columbiacruelty.com/letters/USDA1104.pdf pg 3-5 See also html version of individual reports on dogs used in Dr. Oz's experiments. http://www.columbiacruelty.com/feat-pupkillings-pups1.asp According to the report, highly invasive and stressful experiments on dogs were performed without a humane endpoint.
Freedom of Information Act requests made by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals to the National Institutes of Health revealed that subsequent applications for grants by Dr. Oz have been denied. http://www.columbiacruelty.com/feat-pupkillings.asp
Richard R. Lavigne ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Babak Radmanesh ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) - Newly created page. Subject of the article appears to be notable. However, the content of the page after the first paragraph is potentially libellous, and there are no sources to support these claims. I deleted the offending sections, and the original author restored them without comment. Can you please either get the dodgy comments properly references or stop this user from inserting them? Chris Neville-Smith ( talk) 10:55, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
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Both these articles suggest illegal activity on the part of Shimomura but this is poorly sourced and it's not entirely clear what was allegedly done that is illegal (I presume it's claimed Shimomumra hacked himself to find Mitnick but this isn't stated). Nil Einne ( talk) 13:23, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
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This article is about a politician, and a user is adding POV in favour of a rival candidate in an election. The article is a short stub after I removed poorly sourced or unsourced content, and the user is re-adding information about a controversy that doesn't appear to be important. I've explained to the user, but I don't want to be involved in an edit war (I've already made three reverts), so I think it would be more appropriate for another user to look at it. — Snigbrook 22:33, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Daniella Rush ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
I come to seek guidance. I've added information with 2 sources, which User:Morbidthoughts undid. Then I added 2 other sources (none of the total of 4 sources was a Wikipedia mirror), and he again undid. He claims of my talk page User_talk:Debresser#Daniella_Rush that all 4 sources are unreliable. What is your opinion? Debresser ( talk) 15:59, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm with Morbidthoughts on this one. We can reasonably assume that the real name of a porn star who acts under a pseudonym is information that requires both reliable sourcing and a sound argument for inclusion. IMBD and realname.of fail the first requirement, and no argument that the real name is relevant has been made. Keep in mind that the mere existence of information isn't enough to justify inclusion. Avruch T 16:39, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for your reaction. I argumented on my talk page that her real name can be found on quit a few webpages and forums. Therefore I see no reason not to include it and several to include. What do you say? And what is your opinion about the other two sources? Debresser ( talk) 21:52, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Douglas Feith ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
This entire article is probably the worst mess I've seen. I lack the energy to clean it up -- it's a humongous linkfarm, resembling more a random collection of material pro and con than a balanced biography. We've got everything on here from squirrelly not-quite-accusations of manipulating intelligence to unproven rumors about espionage. Ray Talk 01:23, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
I've reworked the objectionable part of this somewhat. I'm not sure we need the praise/criticism quotes at all, I've moved that and the laundry list of accusations against OSP to the talkpage. In the mean time, I've taken some good content from the Office of Special Plans page and incorporated it with some modification into this article in the "Bush administration" section. Avruch T 17:22, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Could use some more voices probably in the discussion at Talk:Douglas Feith. Avruch T 20:30, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Tom Dolby ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
There is a statement in Tom Dolby's Biography that is incorrect. Andrew Frist is not the nephew of former U.S. Senator Bill Frist. Andrew Frist is a distant relative of Senator Bill Frist. I know this because I am Andrew's cousin and know who his real uncles are. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.177.189.212 ( talk) 02:51, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Fabiano Caruana ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Moved from Wikipedia talk:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard ( Rd232 talk 05:00, 6 April 2009 (UTC)):
Mumia Abu Jamal ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) Malosinus changed the infobox from Template:Infobox Person to Template:Infobox Criminal. [19] This removed information about the subject's academic career, and added information about his convictions and real(?)/birth(?) name. I reverted, and User:Looper5920 re-reverted. Given that he is not just convicted, but also an author and political activist, I don't think that this infobox is appropriate. The only reason I am not reverting again is that the word "criminal" isn't actually displayed by the template.
I would like to have some clarity how we handle this kind of situation. I believe the global view on Mumia Abu Jamal is that he is very likely a political prisoner. Amnesty International do not say so ("In light of the contradictory and incomplete evidence in this case, Amnesty International can take no position on the guilt or innocence of Mumia Abu-Jamal. Nor has the organization identified him as a political prisoner, although it has previously expressed its concern over the activities of a government counterintelligence program, which appeared to number Abu-Jamal among its targets [...]." [20]), but they are generally extremely cautious with such statements and they clearly hint at the possibility. The European Parliament in various resolutions repeatedly asked for a re-trial. [21] Paris made him an honorary citizen and explicitly called him a political prisoner. [22] [23]
Mohamed ElBaradei ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Extremely poor article on this person of some significance (director of the IAEA for last ten years). I've chopped out a number of things that didn't belong, but still it's not going anywhere that's good BLP-wise. It's not a three-alarm libel issue, but it could really do with some eyes on it who are interested in writing a bio, and not in effectively trying to create content forks on the work of the IAEA. Rd232 talk 03:23, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm reporting this secondary to it having been reported at WP:ANI (see here) at the request of the person who reported it. One part of it can be seen in this edit, but I'm loath to call it simple vandalism. On one hand, the editor is posting questionable information, but on another, he/she is removing poorly/inadequately sourced biographical content. I reverted the article to before the recent edits started as a precautionary measure. —/ Mendaliv/ 2¢/ Δ's/ 14:38, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
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Ethnicity keeps getting introduced into lead and reverted without talk page discussion. Thank you, -- Tom (talk) 14:52, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Matthew J. Amorello ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
One or more editors, usually Alpha Centauri 2021, have made numerous changes to the page.
The edits are disruptive not only to the substance (removing relevant, well-sourced, NPOV information, replacing it with redundant recitations of the subject's official bio--political spin and all), but also in form (removing internal links and citations). This article is being repeatedly edited by a single user to cast Matthew Amorello in a more favorable light. This editor eliminates existing citations and does not include new, relevant ones for their own additions/edits.
Case in point: Matthew Amorello is mainly newsworthy due to his involvement in the Big Dig collapse. However, Alpha Centauri, in his repeated edits, will bring up points regarding Amorello's "spearheading the establishment of the Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy Greenway Conservancy, a public private partnership charged with maintaining and operating the newly created parkland in downtown Boston" and his involvement with "the Bruce Springsteen concert to open the Lenny Zakim Bunker Hill Bridge, the widest cable stay bridge in the world." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cornerstone79 ( talk • contribs) 18:11, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
I recently added to the article on Toby Keith a section entitled "Feud with Ethan Hawke and Kris Kristofferson". Another user and myself have discussed at length on the articles talk page whether the section should be included in the article and we have both decided that the best thing to do is bring it here. Please read the section and the talk page. BillyJack193 ( talk) 11:58, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
The article for Malaysia's new Prime Minister appears to be overburdened with trivialities and WP:BLP issues. I know nothing of Malaysian politics and am quite busy offline, but if someone with an eye for facts and research could look at this one, Wikipedia would be the better for it. Note that as far as I know there is no *dispute* as such - it being mostly just drive-bys adding the content - this post is more just an alert to those who would not normally edit on South-East Asian politics. I'm uninvolved in the article. Orderinchaos 12:16, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Robert Reich ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Since January, the following paragraph has been repeatedly added and deleted by various editors to the "After the Clinton Administration" section:
On January 23, 2009, CNN host Lou Dobbs characterized earlier remarks by Reich as implying "that race would play a large role in determining who would benefit from the economic stimulus package",[12] airing video of Reich commenting on the package. In the video, Reich said that he was concerned "...that these jobs not simply go to high school people who are already professionals or to white male construction workers. I have nothing against white male construction workers. I'm just saying that there are a lot of other people who have needs as well."[12]
The following link makes it very clear that the paragraph is based on a misleading and distorting report, and should therefore not be allowed on the page at all:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200901230015?f=h_latest
Ms oritahiti ( talk) 19:57, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
There's a few people who are reverting edits to much older versions that eliminates substantial work done recently. The page was formerly a mess with lots of outdated links, synthesis, coatrack, trivia, etc. that I cleaned up. However, instead of adding to it they simply revert for no apparent reason. Could we get a few more eyes on this to keep vandals from it? Startstop123 ( talk) 15:30, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Something weird going on with Michael Cl-Brown. Was moved there from Michael Brown (Liberal Democrats donor), and may have been BLP stubbed. May also have just been vandalised. Much longer article versions are in the page history, but they may not be BLP-compliant. Not sure if any suitable versions exist. Needs "living people" category added and other categories restored even if left as a stub. Might need moving again to a suitable name. Also need to make sure all references are to the right Michael Brown. Last stable version seems to be here, before it was edited by Special:Contributions/Nellocharlie (has only edited this article). Carcharoth ( talk) 01:08, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Hello, I am contacting you on behalf of Ron Dembo at Zerofootprint. We are trying to update his Biography on Wikipedia as it is currently out of date.
This is the new Biography we are tying to post:
Dr. Ron Dembo is the Founder and CEO of Zerofootprint, an organization dedicated to a mass reduction in global environmental impact. Zerofootprint provides software and services to individuals, governments, universities, and corporations that measures and manages carbon footprint and engages employees and citizens worldwide in combating climate change. Zerofootprint came in first place and won Gold in the Climate Change category at the Canadian Environment Awards in 2008.
Prior to founding Zerofootprint, Dr. Dembo was the Founder, CEO, and President of Algorithmics Incorporated, growing it from a start-up to the largest enterprise risk-management software company in the world, with offices in fifteen countries and over 70% of the world's top 100 banks as clients. Algorithmics was consistently voted as one of the top 50 best-managed companies in Canada.
Dr. Dembo has also had a distinguished ten-year academic career at Yale University, where he was cross-appointed between the Department of Computer Science and the School of Management. Dr. Dembo has published over sixty technical papers on finance and mathematical optimization, and holds a number of patents in computational finance. Dr. Dembo is the author of three books: Seeing Tomorrow: Rewriting the Rules of Risk, co-authored with Andrew Freedman, published in April 1998; Upside Downside: Simple Rules of Risk Management for the Smart Investor, co-authored with Daniel Stoffman, published in March 2006; and Everything You Wanted to Know About Offsetting But Were Afraid to Ask, co-authored with Clive Davidson, and released in May 2007.
In May 2007, Dr. Dembo was made a lifetime Fields Institute Fellow. This fellowship is awarded to individuals who have made outstanding contributions to the Fields Institute, its programs, and to the Canadian mathematical community. In July 2007, Dr. Dembo was inducted as a charter member of the Risk Who's Who. Dr. Dembo’s alma mater, the University of Waterloo, honoured Dr. Dembo with a Lifetime Achievement Award in 2007. He is also a member of the University of Waterloo’s Deans Advisory Council in the Faculty of Environment, and a member of the Board of Advisors to the President at the Ontario College of Art and Design University. Dr. Dembo is also the Chair of the Information Technology committee of the Board at Mount Sinai Hospital, and is a member of the Board of Governors of University of Toronto’s NSERC (Natural Sciences and Engineering Research Council) program.
Thanks for your help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.223.182.122 ( talk) 16:38, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
However, in this case, there isn't even a single source referring to anyone actually making this accusation. In the absence of such a source, the best we're left with is sources of people debunking the legend. This means that: Wikipedia says that (for example) snopes says that someone asked them about a legend that someone else may or may not have believed was true. How many degrees of separation is that?!? 209.90.135.182 ( talk) 20:22, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) I don't know how long this "rumor"/urban legend has been linked to Gere, but I know the same "story" was tied to a tv personallity in Philly during the early 80s. I swear that the "story" came across as "true" with hospital reports ect. I won't name the person obviously, they do have an article here, but most Philly folks around in the 80s will probably know who I am talking about. Anyways, agree with remove on site and block accordingly....unless you have 5x8 color glossies of course :) Cheers,-- Tom (talk) 21:20, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Five points:
Uncle G ( talk) 04:10, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
NOTE: The Richard Gere article has been full-protected by an uninvolved admin for "Excessive violations of the biographies of living persons policy"; protection to expire in two weeks. — Becksguy ( talk) 04:05, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Robert Sungenis ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
I've just declined a speedy on Robert Sungenis as the article is not unsourced. But its rather negative and could do with attention from someone who has at least a basic understanding of Christian theology (NB this isn't an attack on the current editors there, its an admission of my own lack of knowledge) Ϣere SpielChequers 07:32, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
This article is getting way out of hand. It is being used to track every movement of Robert Sungenis and then used as a launch pad to attack him.
Let's review the BLP policy:
"Wikipedia is a high-profile, widely-viewed website with an international scope, which means that material we publish about living people can affect their lives and the lives of their families, colleagues, and friends. Biographical material must therefore be written with strict adherence to our content policies."
"The article should document, in a non-partisan manner, what reliable secondary sources have published about the subject and, in some circumstances, what the subject may have published about themselves."
Reliable secondary sources are mainstream magazines, news reports, etc. Not internet chatter. Most of what is in this article is from Sungenis' own writings, with mainly Liam Patrick's interpretation. This is original research.
From original research:
"Original research is research that is not exclusively based on a summary, review or synthesis of earlier publications on the subject of research. This material is of a primary source character. "
This is what is occuring here.
Back to BLP:
"Criticism and praise of the subject should be represented if it is relevant to the subject's notability and can be sourced to reliable secondary sources, and so long as the material is written in a manner that does not overwhelm the article or appear to take sides;"
The article is overwhelmed by Liam Patrick's (and others to be fair) original research based on Sungenis' writings.
"When writing about a person notable only for one or two events, including every detail can lead to problems, even when the material is well-sourced. In the best case, it can lead to an unencyclopedic article. In the worst case, it can be a serious violation of our policies on neutrality. When in doubt, biographies should be pared back to a version that is completely sourced, neutral, and on-topic."
"n the case of significant public figures, there will be a multitude of reliable, third-party published sources to take material from, and Wikipedia biographies should simply document what these sources say. "
Obviously there is not an overwhelming amount of third party material, so Robert Sungenis is not to be considered a "significant public figure".
"Wikipedia also contains biographies of people who, while notable enough for an entry, are not generally well known. In such cases, exercise restraint and include only material relevant to their notability, while omitting information that is irrelevant to the subject's notability. Material from third-party primary sources should not be used unless it has first been published by a reliable secondary source. Material published by the subject must be used with caution."
I see lack of caution, especially in using even Sungenis' own material, which is being turned into original research.
I understand that Patrick Liam is frustrated that he cannot use the attack websites and blogs as sources, so he has turned to Sungenis' own writings to attempt to follow the policy guidelins. Godd for him. Unfortunately this has turned into Liam Patrick's original research.Proportionality is highly skewed in this article. Karl Keating is one of the best known, most active Catholic apologists out there, and compare the articles. Mr. Keating's article is encyclopedic. Robert SUngnis' is not. Wyattmj (talk) 16:16, 9 April 2009 (UTC) Wyattmj ( talk) 18:10, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
This article has been problematic for POV, OR and BLP for months, and recently underwent a major revision. The questionable material is being re-introduced into the article. I propose that this article be blocked from general view until concerns regarding possible libelous content, and clearly objectionable BLP content, be reviewed and resolved. -- Ibinthinkin ( talk) 14:43, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi. I want to bring the Varg Vikernes page to people's attention. The whole discussion board is a mess and filled with supporters of the guy. These are people who will dispute, obscure, or even remove, information that Vikernes is a convicted murderer because they believe he is innocent. This has a tendency to seep into the article itself, and has been doing so for a long time now. I've had legitimate citations removed apparently because they revealed his racist, pseudo-neo-Nazi ideology a little too clearly. I made the edits on 09/27/08, and I have not logged in since. I found today that not only were they deleted, but that two different people made their way to my talk page and accused me of libel and improper editing, with an air of authority that they clearly do not have. FYI, I have more than enough academic education to know about proper citations. I can post the quotes in question if requested, or inquisitive minds can check my edit history and go to the edits in questions (09/27/08).
To make a long story short, here is the core of the problem: Vikernes, an obscure Norwegian musician, has a small, but rabid cult following. They have made it clear through edits and explicitly clear on the discussion page that the only true credible source on the topic of Varg Vikernes is...Varg Vikernes. Surprise, surprise.
To the people in charge of this project, PLEASE keep a close eye on this one. Put it on the watch list. At least put up a disclaimer on there. People are actively making edits that use Vikernes' own writing on his web page as a source. Not only that, but they are claiming on the discussion board that his webpage is a more credible source than anything else out there. Keep in mind he is a convicted murderer, and all credible evidence points to him being both a pathological liar and someone in a perpetual state of identity crisis. When I made a comment on the discussion board, admittedly an opinionated one, that the section detailing the murder was clearly written with the intent of making Vikernes appear wrongly accused and unjustly imprisoned, the reply I got was this: "Think about it for a second - Varg's account of the murder is the most accurate one, because Euronymous [the victim] can't exactly give his side of the story, and Snorre was having a smoke outside while it happened. Also, there's no reason for Varg to lie about the murder, he's already been in prison for 14 years... its not like lying is going to get him out." ( Temple-of-Monkeys) I rest my case, sirs and madams.
There are people who are actively making an effort to keep things objective on the page, but it is clear this battle has been going on for far too long to not have an administrator put this article on notice. With the fact that Vikernes has been granted parole after serving 16 years of a 21 year sentence, I can only see things getting worse. The ultimate reason this article needs tending to is not because he is an important guy, but because he is another right-wing extremist mental-case with a following, and these people need to be kept in check. Thanks for your time. Fermentor ( talk) 08:54, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Eliseo Soriano ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) - The lead sentence of this article is on the borderline of a possible BLP violation because he is described as "an international fugitive" in regards to a sexual assault case against him. I would like outside input on this. // wL< speak· check> 21:56, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
I also suspect that the article is subject of heavy meat/ sockpuppetry by numerous new accounts. Twri ( talk) 16:20, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
I nominated Susan Boyle for AFD, see here per WP:N, as I'm not sure she satisfies notability guidelines. Do we have specific guidelines regarding whether talent-show auditionees are notable? D.M.N. ( talk) 18:45, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
Please review this. It's ok, I'll wait.
Great. Now I'd like to hear from folks who haven't yet spoken. Should Otto Kerner be an American Criminal? Lead Belly? Frank LaGrotta? What's the standard? Thanks for your kind consideration. David in DC ( talk) 01:01, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
This discussion would benefit from the wisdom of a few more people than me, Will Beback, Rd, and Just Getting It Right. David in DC ( talk) 05:31, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
This RfC desperately needs contributors other than me, Will and JustGettingItRight. David in DC ( talk) 19:51, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Sections in the Helen Jones-Kelley and Joe the Plumber articles could possibly be UNDUE and might include undue allegations per the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services database search controversy. Can other editors lend some suggestions and/or advice on whether any of the information in these two articles violates UNDUE or/or BLP? Thanks. Ism schism ( talk) 23:19, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Could someone check out Miguel Cima? It, well, feels rather odd. Notability might be there, but some very strange sections and I'm not sure the pictures are genuine - might need confirmation from the uploader about those. The last section in particular needs serious attention or removal. Carcharoth ( talk) 00:11, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Could we have a few days of semiprotection on Phil Spector ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)? In the wake of today's guilty verdict, it is hard to stem the tide of IP-editor vandalism. TJRC ( talk) 21:43, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Lindsay Lohan ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Hello. I'm concerned about the use of the LBGT category in the Lindsay Lohan article.
It isn't that I think she's obviously straight or anything (having a girlfriend, ex or not, kinda makes it hard to make a claim like that with a straight face). However, the
BLP policy page says that you can't add that sort of category unless they "self-identify" as such.
The article includes two relevant quotes. In relation to her being bisexual, she says, "Maybe. Yeah." (So, it's a little iffy, but an argument could be made for including it, in spite of the 'maybe') But she then follows it with a disclaimer, "I don't want to classify myself." It would seem, to me, that that insufficiently meets the "self-identifying" requirement. (saying, "I don't want to classify myself" seems close enough to, "I don't want to categorize myself)
Anyways, the category has been removed before, for precisely that reason, but it then got re-added (without even an edit summary). It originally got readded with a 'lesbian' category (in spite of her explicitly stating that she isn't lesbian), but only that one got removed by another editor.
I've made a note on the article's talk page, but sometimes those aren't used very much and I lack the ability to edit it myself, so I prefer to list these types of concerns on the BLP noticeboard as well. (in other words, I think a discussion fits the article's talk page best, but I felt this was the best way to get the attention of people familiar with BLP policy)
209.90.133.75 (
talk) 18:15, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
Ahh yes, the "Explanation" parameter. We've used it before when we couldn't get others to fully understand project tags:
That's how it would be used. - ✰ ALLST☆R✰ echo 19:10, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
In the Harper's Bazaar, there's this exchange:
To my reading, she does say she'd classify herself as a bisexual, but not as a lesbian. Will Beback talk 03:51, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
I have had an email request to delete the above article by its creator Mrsmuck ( talk · contribs) because "the subject of the article was not responsible for the content uploaded and has requested an immediate deletion". I have no doubt that this is a sincere request but I am not sure how to progress it as WP:CSD#G7 probably does not apply because another editor has made a significant contribution. The subject is of borderline notability and I want to honour her request to delete but I am not sure I have a rationale to speedy delete. Thoughts? -- Mattinbgn\ talk 13:05, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
The sources given for this person are in Russian. I have asked for the relevant text from the sources to be placed on the talk page with translations. But my removal of text which does not have sources was reverted with the comment "not allegations, but facts rather. sourced in Russian" but without anything on the talk page. I think for such facts then there should be translations given of the Russian sources on the talk page, so non Russian speakers can judge if the sources back up the facts on the page or even is such names as "В России начали составлять список запрещенных книг" is a reliable source. I would appreciate if some other editors would look in and see if my requests are reasonable. -- PBS ( talk) 22:04, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
We can't have someone called an Anti-Semite on the basis of the poster's assertion that the source backs it up. We can only have serious allegations if they are supported by sources that the average reader can check and confirm. Otherwise what's to stop me posting any libel and sourcing it from an obscure language, in the safe knowledge that most Wikipedians can't check. We need quality control on negative BLP material, and foreign language sources do not provide it. I have reverted.-- Scott Mac (Doc) 01:41, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
This bio is being vandalized by someone close to the subject. At first she was inserting herself into the biographical background, which I toned down, in order to focus on Barron as subject (and to follow guidelines--her work history can't be referenced properly).
Now she's vandalizing the page by discrediting the content of the bio. I don't think she knows there's a talk page to dispute claims on the bio, or at least, she's never used it. She's posted as two anonymous editors: Integrityplus, and AlmaDenise. The content of the edits is very personal information about Barron's career background. Could other editors keep a look-out on this page? I just deleted a potentially libelous sentence that was placed in the middle of the article, claiming the subject is lying about his work background and I'm worried she'll strike again. It's been going on since 2/09. Thanks much, everyone. -- Utilizer ( talk) 18:29, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
One more of several continuing problems at
Gilad Atzmon.
Wikipedia:BLP#Using_the_subject_as_a_self-published_source says Material that has been self-published by the subject may be added to the article only if:...2. it does not involve claims about third parties
This diff also contained in
this section includes fully quoted sections of these diffs (I.E.,
1,
2,
3,
4 ,
5,
6) where the editor trying to include this material against BLP policy has attacked both the subject of the article and other editors, just to show this editor’s strong POV. If people can't deal with this issue here, I'll bring to
WP:NPOVN notice board:
This is all very hard to follow - I took a look and ended up changing something else. Wikipedia coverage of any person that controversial in the political arena, who uses such charged language, is going to present some thorny BLP and NPOV issues. How to get the gist of what he is about, and the context, without implicitly endorsing either him or his critics? This particular issue looks to be more of a sourcing problem than a BLP or NPOV problem. The quote in question is "In the UK bigotry and racism is becoming a Jews-only territory". He did write that, didn't he? It's hardly a BLP violation against Atzmon to repeat what he said. But I agree that it should either be put in context or not included at all. Provocative words, out of context, confuse more than they enlighten. But what basis is there for putting it in context? I could find no reliable sources that comment on what he meant by that, only an analysis of his own words. Trying to explain it, with reference to his own piece, is a form of original research. We're supposed to simply report on what the sources say, not conduct an analysis of them. Wikidemon ( talk) 16:03, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
<backdent>Actually the only question is, is the article self-published, if it is on Palestine Think Tank. I've been assuming it is. Maybe it's not, in which case the context must be mentioned. Will check it out. CarolMooreDC ( talk) 12:39, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
I think this issue of what you can used from self-published sources is important and glad at least one independent person has commented. Meanwhile, if people think it is OK to use a general statement from Atzmon in what is an article mostly making claims about specific individuals, why not merely mention the actual quote that Atzmon refs to with a link to it, per this:
Forgot to sign couple days ago: CarolMooreDC ( talk) 19:08, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
FYI, per Wikipedia:COATRACK I've put that tag on since it is clear that the POV is not to provide balanced view point on Atzmon's views and criticism of those, but to keep adding and adding out of context primary sources to show that wikipedia can be used to annihilate any one who some people consider antisemites. CarolMooreDC ( talk) 15:54, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
This page records (with good sources) an arrest, in 2007, but no later details nor any conviction. Without a conviction, the alleged criminal's name does not belong here, nor does The Bishop belong in the American Criminals category. Would someone please update this page with the results of the prosecution. Otherwise it's ripe for an AfD. It's stale, uninformative, and unencyclopedic to have an article that stops with the charges and arrest in 2007. David in DC ( talk) 17:06, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Since I still keep coming across issues where people falsely say "blogs can't be sources"--an out and out incorrect statement--I've whipped up Wikipedia:Blogs as sources/ WP:BLOGS as a quick reference distilled from RS & BLP policy pages to give a quick clue on how blogs are allowed to be used from certain websites, and how on what articles. Any feedback on the talk is appreciated there. rootology ( C)( T) 03:07, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
The author has sent an email to OTRS ( otrs:2009031310056877) in regards to his article. I don't see any blatant BLP issues but I think the articles needs a review for sourcing, particularly the "Windsor-Essex Development Commission" section. I've blocked WEWhistleBlower ( talk · contribs) as a SPA with a clear agenda. If anybody could take a look at the article it would be appreciated, thanks. BJ Talk 06:53, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Another subject request ( otrs:2009041210030322). The disputed is edit is this which was removed here and restored here. Thanks. BJ Talk 07:09, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Recent changes to this page have been made: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Abrams
The sources are not legitimate sources, but anonymous blogs. Having deleted them, a number of users continue to post information that is not properly sourced. Based on the blog sources, these changes to this page appear to malicious in nature
Please advise
"Chill687",
—Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Chill687 (
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contribs) 05:01, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Steve Dufouris correct. The entry should be removed for lack of notability. That being said, the earlier posts were not sourced and appeared to be of a personal nature and should be removed as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chill687 ( talk • contribs) 17:29, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Could do with someone dropping by - Benjiboi insists on constantly changing the article to their version claiming BLP/NPOV issues when the current version was the consensus view to avoid BLP/NPOV issues based on a discussion last year that already involved an admin. Benjiboi is unwilling to discuss things on a point by point basis and claims the old version just had issues and was "rubbish". Zoe O'Connell ⚢⚧ ( talk) 11:09, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
The RfC is here
The following is the old and proposed versions of the same content which is at dispute. The old version was reached under a consensus of editors at the time in 2008. The new version claims to address some policy concerns. Any insight into which version may serve the subject and our readers best is appreciated.
Please comment at the RfC.
Seperately I'm concerned about georgiagrrl ( talk · contribs) as a SPA. -- Banjeboi 14:31, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Brewster McCracken (
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Austin, Texas.
This guy
Austinadams2k (
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this diff.
Jerome Potts (
talk) 15:53, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
I might be having problems with the correct formatting of this post as I am the library. Anywho, the important part is the following link. I believe it needs careful examination by more expeirenced editors then I. Lots and lots of weirdness.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janice_Pennington#Bloopers_and_mishaps
Airi & Meiri ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
This article has been plagued with some really shady sources, including lots of biographical "facts" sourced directly to sales sites, as well as a dozen plus sales sites cited as sources for factual claims. Some extra eyes on this would be appreciated. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire - past ops) 13:22, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Could someone check out the disagreement on this article's talk page: Hak Ja Han? It's not really a serious BLP problem but still a difference of opinion about proper sources for an article on a living person. It has been at a standstill for quite a while. Steve Dufour ( talk) 02:27, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
An IP user(unregistered) feels that I've been biased in my edits at this page. He goes on say "Alturism indulging in biased edits and deleting uncomfortable truths about their hero." Please do reverse my edits, if you find this user's accusations to be right. - Altruism T a l k - Contribs. 07:05, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Carmine Avellino ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) - Unreferenced biography of a mobster. The only reference is a New Jersey government site that only lists people who are banned from casinos. -- Blanchardb - Me• MyEars• MyMouth- timed 11:35, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
In order to have an organized page centralizing all the tasks relating to biographies of living people, a WikiProject has been created. There are several areas in need of greater attention, each listed on the project page. This is a project-wide problem that needs everyone's attention. Please take a look and help where you can. لenna vecia 20:19, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
List of Austinites is totally uncited. It needs references so people can prove that the people on the list really are Austin natives. WhisperToMe ( talk) 20:18, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Ciaexposed ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) - this user's only edits are to Bobby Pittman, which appear to be defamatory/libelous. scootey talk 06:34, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
In the following reverts and edits: [26], [27], [28], [29] apparently disruptive editor [30], kept adding allegations that are both harmful and are a form of personal attack to the page. I suggest clearing the page history to comply with BLP requirements. I have checked all possible reliable sources and could only find some blog sites or personal attack sites that should not be used as a sources for BLPs. This editor is blocked, but BLPs needs to be watched. Wikidās ॐ 12:18, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
The whole article is dire and needs sandblasting, it's a loveletter as it current stands. I'm going to turn the flamethrowers on it. -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 12:31, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
God, I'd only noticed the first one, they all need work - looks like I'll need my bigger flamethrower.. -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 12:45, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
Deborah Peagler article seems entirely non-neutral, and inflamatory towards Steve Cooley.
131.111.139.103 ( talk) 13:20, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
A couple of days ago, I raised some concerns on the talk page of this article (see Talk:Jennifer Fitzgerald#BLP concerns). The article is named as a biography, but it's not. It's almost completely about her alleged affair with George H. W. Bush. One of the primary authors of the article ( User:Daniel Case) agrees that it should be renamed, though neither of us is sure what a better name would be. I also question the appropriateness of the article, as it's based on allegations and rumors. Some more eyes on the article and some opinions would be appreciated. Thanks. لenna vecia 19:27, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
I agree that the title should be changed, preferably without mentioning Jennifer at all, since she is not the notable person in all this. The incident it only notable because of the link to President Bush, and the title should reflect that. Take 1993 child sexual abuse accusations against Michael Jackson as a example. The title needs to mention the incident (child sexual abuse, or adultery in this case), the notable person (Michael Jackson, or Bush in this case). Finally the title needs to clarify that nothing has been proven, so "accusation" or "allegation" thrown in will help. Titles with words such as "controversy" or "scandal" should be avoided. — R 2 18:58, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
Susan Roesgen ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) - Lots of NPOV and BLP issues regarding a recent controversy this reporter has been in. Also undue weight issues - the article is basically a stub without the controversy. Keeping a lid on it so far but help is always nice. Gamaliel ( talk) 15:33, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
I have a history with user:Vintagekits. I would therefore appreciate it if someone else were to check whether Crosby is sufficiently "disgraced" to satisfy WP:RS. The diff is at [31]. Kittybrewster ☎ 19:10, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
After reading this page I have a few comments. First, this page seems libelous, also this page is discriminatory and inflammatory. Non-neutral and partial. It does not state or reference any of Council President Conyers accomplishments as a teacher, an public school administrator, nor a President pro tempor of City Council nor as President. I have a serious problem with bigoted pages created with no facts but just the opinions of others who do not like her. The only thing factual that I saw was that she was being investigated by the FBI, however they have determined that she has not done anything wrong. Someone please assist me in rectification of these issues and i'd greatly appreciate it. Kcgs1989 ( talk) 23:25, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
I am concerned that the majority of the article deals with the fallout from his assault on his partner, and only a little with the illustrious career which preceded the details becoming public less than a year ago. On the other hand, the events of the past year have had massive publicity in New Zealand, for example his conviction a few days ago was given the first ten minutes of the hour-long prime time news on TV3 (and probably a similar coverage on the other main channel), and occupied much of the front page and all of page 2 of the New Zealand Herald the following day. The accuracy of testimonials were again headlined on the television news and in the newspapers a day later, and his suicide attempt yesterday was the lead story on TV3 yesterday and in the Herald this morning. Such coverage has been frequent since July last year.
Our article is reasonably well-sourced, and I believe it is neutral in tone. While it was created in response to the assault details becoming public in July 2008, it would have been reasonable for an article to have been created on Veitch as a well known sports broadcaster before that. This isn't someone famous only for one event, although he has certainly become much more famous in New Zealand as a result of that event. There is no problem with the behaviour of any editor of the article. In short, this is not a flagrant abuse of the BLP policy.
I feel uneasy about the article although it's only a tiny proportion of the flood of material in the NZ media about Veitch at the moment. Is it okay for the article to have its current weighting, or is this "undue weight"? Is it acceptable to leave it for a few years in the hope that new material will be added on his past and future endeavours, and eventually this will become one section of many documenting his life. Should we attempt to reduce the detail in the article to improve the balance? For example, we could remove most of the "Resignation from media work" section.- gadfium 05:06, 19 April 2009 (UTC)