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The result was keep. Star Mississippi 03:59, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Elmer Osmar Ramón Miani
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Notability not established with substantive sources, only a context-free database entry with the dates of appointment. Fails WP:GNG and WP:BIO. Reywas92 Talk 21:23, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. In general we have kept Catholic bishops (and bishops of other major denominations). There is huge precedent and consensus for this. See
WP:CLERGYOUTCOMES. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 11:54, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- Clergyoutcomes is NOT a notability guideline. Even if it says bishops are often kept, it does NOT say they are exempt from notability requirements, and doing nothing but referencing that is a circular argument. That's a bad precedent if there's not actually significant coverage on the topic. If nothing can be said except that he was bishop, it should be redirected to
Roman Catholic Diocese of Catamarca.
Reywas92
Talk 13:44, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- What it does is illustrate consensus, one of the concepts upon which Wikipedia is founded. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 13:52, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- Clergyoutcomes is NOT a notability guideline. Even if it says bishops are often kept, it does NOT say they are exempt from notability requirements, and doing nothing but referencing that is a circular argument. That's a bad precedent if there's not actually significant coverage on the topic. If nothing can be said except that he was bishop, it should be redirected to
Roman Catholic Diocese of Catamarca.
Reywas92
Talk 13:44, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The reason WP:CLERGYOUTCOMES exists for Catholic bishops is that they are reliably covered extensively once you dig into it, although those sources may not all be available online. Jahaza ( talk) 19:05, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Jahaza. A cursory gsearch turns up a few obituaries and mentions. As per the other bishop, there are more sources likely available offline. IgnatiusofLondon ( talk) 03:48, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Star Mississippi 03:59, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Elmer Osmar Ramón Miani
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Notability not established with substantive sources, only a context-free database entry with the dates of appointment. Fails WP:GNG and WP:BIO. Reywas92 Talk 21:23, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Reywas92 Talk 21:23, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log ( step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2024 February 6. — cyberbot I Talk to my owner:Online 21:51, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Christianity and Argentina. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 22:35, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. In general we have kept Catholic bishops (and bishops of other major denominations). There is huge precedent and consensus for this. See
WP:CLERGYOUTCOMES. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 11:54, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- Clergyoutcomes is NOT a notability guideline. Even if it says bishops are often kept, it does NOT say they are exempt from notability requirements, and doing nothing but referencing that is a circular argument. That's a bad precedent if there's not actually significant coverage on the topic. If nothing can be said except that he was bishop, it should be redirected to
Roman Catholic Diocese of Catamarca.
Reywas92
Talk 13:44, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- What it does is illustrate consensus, one of the concepts upon which Wikipedia is founded. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 13:52, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- Clergyoutcomes is NOT a notability guideline. Even if it says bishops are often kept, it does NOT say they are exempt from notability requirements, and doing nothing but referencing that is a circular argument. That's a bad precedent if there's not actually significant coverage on the topic. If nothing can be said except that he was bishop, it should be redirected to
Roman Catholic Diocese of Catamarca.
Reywas92
Talk 13:44, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The reason WP:CLERGYOUTCOMES exists for Catholic bishops is that they are reliably covered extensively once you dig into it, although those sources may not all be available online. Jahaza ( talk) 19:05, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Jahaza. A cursory gsearch turns up a few obituaries and mentions. As per the other bishop, there are more sources likely available offline. IgnatiusofLondon ( talk) 03:48, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
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