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The result was redirect to Dalek. Star Mississippi 01:02, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
Cult of Skaro
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As written, this is just a list of non-notable characters that does not go beyond a plot summary - there is nothing to suggest this grouping meets WP:GNG. My BEFORE did not find anything that goes beyond a plot summary, so the best WP:SOFTFDEL alternative I can think of would be to redirect this to Dalek. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:56, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Science fiction and fantasy, Television, and United Kingdom. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:56, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect/merge to Dalek. Standard practice at this point. Dronebogus ( talk) 08:20, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep, this is a full and well written page detailing a Doctor Who villain. Nothing unusual or wrong with it, and from the size and care put into it fellow Wikipedians spent a great deal of time researching and preparing the page. Leaving such pages in place seems the way to go, as Wikipedia justification of removal doesn't seem to apply.
Randy Kryn (
talk) 08:29, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
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WP:LOOKSGOOD,
WP:PLEASEDONT,
WP:NOTTVTROPES,
NOTTARDISDATACORE, and complete-lack-of-rationale all apply to your argument.
Dronebogus (
talk) 12:05, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- That last one? Just... tacky. Writing an essay just for a series of AfDs that are already being substantially closed as merge or redirect? We should be better than that.
Jclemens (
talk) 15:22, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- People are still voting “keep” for them based on really bad rationales, so I felt like the obvious needed to be restated. Dronebogus ( talk) 21:25, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- I'd say "cute", not tacky... :P Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:40, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- That last one? Just... tacky. Writing an essay just for a series of AfDs that are already being substantially closed as merge or redirect? We should be better than that.
Jclemens (
talk) 15:22, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
-
WP:LOOKSGOOD,
WP:PLEASEDONT,
WP:NOTTVTROPES,
NOTTARDISDATACORE, and complete-lack-of-rationale all apply to your argument.
Dronebogus (
talk) 12:05, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- Comment I can't see any merit to a merge. This article is entirely a long, rambling in-universe plot summary. Please contrast it with, for example, Davros, which is only partly in-universe, but also balances its plot descriptions with discussion of the character's real-world development, actors, and impact on society. I don't dispute that the Cult of Skaro is well-written, but it's indistinguishable from well-written fan-cruft on a fan-cruft site. We should aspire to Davros-like articles, and avoid becoming just another sci-fi fan-site. The alternatives are turn this into an encyclopaedia article by adding some out-of-universe stuff, or get rid of it. Elemimele ( talk) 09:47, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to Dalek. It is complete FANDOM content that lacks any notability. It is briefly mentioned in the Dalek article. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 13:18, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect. It's not 2006 any more. The TARDIS Wiki can deal with this better than we can. Sceptre ( talk) 14:51, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to Dalek - The current article is made up entirely of in-universe plot summaries attributed only to primary sources or unreliable sources such as Reddit threads. Searches do not turn up much in the way of genuine coverage of the group outside of plot summaries. Its mentioned here and there in discussions of the Daleks as a whole, but there's not really any significant coverage on this sub-group in particular. Rorshacma ( talk) 17:37, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep as per previous statements. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2crzppul ( talk • contribs) 10:22, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to Dalek per Zxcvbnm, Sceptre and Elemimele, whose comments align perfectly with my own views. RobinCarmody ( talk) 19:49, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to Dalek per Dronebogus. There just isn't enough coverage to pass the WP:GNG. Shooterwalker ( talk) 22:42, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to Dalek. Star Mississippi 01:02, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
Cult of Skaro
[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!
- Cult of Skaro ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
As written, this is just a list of non-notable characters that does not go beyond a plot summary - there is nothing to suggest this grouping meets WP:GNG. My BEFORE did not find anything that goes beyond a plot summary, so the best WP:SOFTFDEL alternative I can think of would be to redirect this to Dalek. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:56, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Science fiction and fantasy, Television, and United Kingdom. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:56, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect/merge to Dalek. Standard practice at this point. Dronebogus ( talk) 08:20, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep, this is a full and well written page detailing a Doctor Who villain. Nothing unusual or wrong with it, and from the size and care put into it fellow Wikipedians spent a great deal of time researching and preparing the page. Leaving such pages in place seems the way to go, as Wikipedia justification of removal doesn't seem to apply.
Randy Kryn (
talk) 08:29, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
-
WP:LOOKSGOOD,
WP:PLEASEDONT,
WP:NOTTVTROPES,
NOTTARDISDATACORE, and complete-lack-of-rationale all apply to your argument.
Dronebogus (
talk) 12:05, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- That last one? Just... tacky. Writing an essay just for a series of AfDs that are already being substantially closed as merge or redirect? We should be better than that.
Jclemens (
talk) 15:22, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- People are still voting “keep” for them based on really bad rationales, so I felt like the obvious needed to be restated. Dronebogus ( talk) 21:25, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- I'd say "cute", not tacky... :P Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:40, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- That last one? Just... tacky. Writing an essay just for a series of AfDs that are already being substantially closed as merge or redirect? We should be better than that.
Jclemens (
talk) 15:22, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
-
WP:LOOKSGOOD,
WP:PLEASEDONT,
WP:NOTTVTROPES,
NOTTARDISDATACORE, and complete-lack-of-rationale all apply to your argument.
Dronebogus (
talk) 12:05, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- Comment I can't see any merit to a merge. This article is entirely a long, rambling in-universe plot summary. Please contrast it with, for example, Davros, which is only partly in-universe, but also balances its plot descriptions with discussion of the character's real-world development, actors, and impact on society. I don't dispute that the Cult of Skaro is well-written, but it's indistinguishable from well-written fan-cruft on a fan-cruft site. We should aspire to Davros-like articles, and avoid becoming just another sci-fi fan-site. The alternatives are turn this into an encyclopaedia article by adding some out-of-universe stuff, or get rid of it. Elemimele ( talk) 09:47, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to Dalek. It is complete FANDOM content that lacks any notability. It is briefly mentioned in the Dalek article. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 13:18, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect. It's not 2006 any more. The TARDIS Wiki can deal with this better than we can. Sceptre ( talk) 14:51, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to Dalek - The current article is made up entirely of in-universe plot summaries attributed only to primary sources or unreliable sources such as Reddit threads. Searches do not turn up much in the way of genuine coverage of the group outside of plot summaries. Its mentioned here and there in discussions of the Daleks as a whole, but there's not really any significant coverage on this sub-group in particular. Rorshacma ( talk) 17:37, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep as per previous statements. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2crzppul ( talk • contribs) 10:22, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to Dalek per Zxcvbnm, Sceptre and Elemimele, whose comments align perfectly with my own views. RobinCarmody ( talk) 19:49, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to Dalek per Dronebogus. There just isn't enough coverage to pass the WP:GNG. Shooterwalker ( talk) 22:42, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.