This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on January 10, 2018.
Michael Zazarino
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Redirect for NN voice actor to the one role he had. Please consider this a nomination for
Michael zazarino as well.
Toddst1 (
talk) 22:34, 2 January 2018 (UTC)reply
KEEP Actually, Michael Zazarino was originally closed as a redirect, which is why I made it one (even though I originally crafter a well researched, and properly referenced article on Michael). Michael has also appeared on other shows FYI. A quick trip to IMDb will inform you of this. I originally made a page for Michael because I am a big fan of South Park, and I wanted to contribute to the Wikipedia community. South Park is one of the most widely watched shows in the world. The live action episode was one of the most unique episodes ever created (as the show is a cartoon). Michael played
Stan Marsh. This a character that is recognized by name all over the world. Michael was the lead of the show that episode (as he did the most acting out of all of the live action actors), and the entire crux of the show based on the live action scenes. These were fully acted, long scenes, with heavy dialogue, as well as a monologue delivered by Michael. This was a major part. There were articles about the live action on Huffington Post, IGN, AV Club, Thrillist, and International Business Times, as well as an interview with the creators of South Park (Trey Parker and Matt Stone) about the casting and use of live action on the South Park. To emphasize, Stan Marsh which is one of the most well known fictional cartoon characters ever created and he was played in live action form by Michael Zazarino. Fans of the show have a right to know who this is if they research Michael or the episode on Wikipedia without their results turning up blank. Why would you want to take that away from fans of the show or anyone else who is curious about finding out more about an actor who played the lead character on a major show? What is the point of removing an actor who has appeared on one of the largest shows in the world, as one of the most well known characters in the world? Especially when the episode is still CURRENTLY being replayed on Comedy Central as well as being streamed on major platforms such as Hulu. I honestly do not think the editors who have voted to delete this redirect or my past article have seen the live action episode of South Park, and therefore they are naive and don't understand what it was. Maybe they think it was a small voice over role? If you have not seen the episode, and you have voted to delete this article, please actually WATCH it to understand. It is not a cartoon. It is real people, really acting, and really doing scenes. As some of the biggest cartoon characters in the world with Michael playing
Stan Marsh. Not just a quick appearance, but actually doing full scenes with a story arc. This is NOT a voice actor and it was not voice acting. This was LIVE ACTION acting on one of the worlds best known cartoons which is why it was so special and such a big deal. Please actually watch the episode and don't just assume you know what it is.
SouthParkFan2017 (
talk) 03:23, 5 January 2018 (UTC) — Preceding comment by
SouthParkFan2017 (
talk •
contribs) who has made
few or no other edits outside this topic. 03:14, 5 January 2018 (UTC)reply
I will say Keep because I would imagine it is useful for users who find themselves looking this actor up for whatever reason to be directed to the page that most closely represents him. ―Matthew J. Long-Talk-☖ 19:43, 5 January 2018 (UTC)reply
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Aervanath (
talk) 21:27, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete The problem is that the article presents nothing about Zazarino's career here. He only appears in the one episode. He wasn't the creator of the episode or in a place where some biography can be written in a section of the article.
AngusWOOF (
bark •
sniff) 18:05, 15 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Note that if any of his live-action portrayal can be detailed in a section, it could be redirected to the
Stan Marsh article as
WP:BLP1E.
AngusWOOF (
bark •
sniff) 16:16, 17 January 2018 (UTC)reply
SouthParkFan2017 can you write up a live-action portrayal section in
Stan Marsh's article? If there are so many news articles about his work there as you presented, they can go there.
AngusWOOF (
bark •
sniff) 19:02, 17 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep. Michael Zazarino's only credit of note on Wikipedia is this episode, and the episode does the best job of describing his role in the episode. --
Tavix(
talk) 18:17, 22 January 2018 (UTC)reply
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Flag salute
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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Just..absolutely no consensus for anything. Evenly split among three different possible targets.
(non-admin closure)Galobtter (
pingó mió) 17:51, 25 January 2018 (UTC)reply
This is a very american-centric redirect and if someone searches for the poem,
Flag Salute but types
Flag salute instead, they will end up at the wrong article, with
Flag salute being an obscure synonym for the
Bellamy Salute. The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine.
Toddst1 (
talk) 00:45, 2 January 2018 (UTC)reply
DeleteWP:REDLINK to encourage creation of an article about flag salutes in different countries (instead of what's effectively an
WP:INUSA redirect).Flag Salute is not a good target, per
WP:DIFFCAPS.
59.149.124.29 (
talk) 02:12, 2 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Since there seems to be resistance to deletion, retarget to
Salute#Civilian salutes (since that section is almost entirely about flags) and hatnote the poem there. Neither page views nor incoming links nor usage of the phrase in Google Books support that the poem is
WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT for lower-case "salute".
59.149.124.29 (
talk) 07:07, 4 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep Odd to call something "american-centric" and recommend retargeting it to an American poem. The IP's suggestion has some merit, but civilians aren't the only ones who salute flags, and pointing to just plain
Salute doesn't seem very helpful. Since it's linked in the first line of the target article anyway, I really don't see a problem here. --
BDD (
talk) 22:25, 9 January 2018 (UTC)reply
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Aervanath (
talk) 21:25, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep Plenty of pages are differentiated by capitalization: a
hatnote all that is needed. Nom is predicated on the unsupported assertion that it's "an obscure synonym". I find that hard to believe when
Bellamy salute absolutely crushes
Flag Salute in page views.
SteveStrummer (
talk) 03:58, 13 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Retarget to
Salute#Civilian salutes which detail how salutes to different flags in various countries are handled. Hatnote to the poem and Bellamy if needed. When people are looking up salutes they might think the regular military salute is appropriate for the flag as well. They'll also see the sentence "In the United States, civilians may salute the U.S. flag by placing their right hand over their heart or by standing at attention during the playing of the national anthem or while reciting the U.S. Pledge of Allegiance, or when the flag is passing by, as in a parade." The hand over heart and standing at attention (or kneeling if you're protesting) is a lot more common for saluting.
AngusWOOF (
bark •
sniff) 19:05, 17 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment. Are any other salutes other than the
Bellamy salute known as "flag salute"? Per
Bellamy salute: "During the period when it was used with the Pledge of Allegiance, it was sometimes known as the "flag salute". It seems to me that it would be acceptable as a {{R from alternative name}}. To address the search term argument that the nominator brought up, when searching using the term "flag salute" on Wikipedia, I find its use most often as a synonym for the Bellamy salute. It's mentioned in a couple of U.S. Supreme Court cases, including
West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette as well as in
Pledge of Allegiance (United States). That being said, I can see it useful as a search term looking for salutes to flags in general. If it is decided to retarget to
Salute, I would prefer not to refine it to a certain section. There are other parts of the article that mention a salute to a flag (eg:
Indonesia Salute) as saluting flags is not limited to civilian use. --
Tavix(
talk) 18:31, 22 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Strong keep. It was "sometimes" known as the "flag salute"? Citation needed. More like commonly. The
Google Ngram doesn't even find the so-called "Bellamy salute". "Flag salute" first appeared around the time of the American Civil War. The
1901 Journal of the ... National Convention of the Woman's Relief Corps documents the use of the flag salute in several states. Descriptions of the
Hand Flag Salute and Oral Flag Salute, ca. 1917. I haven't found any contemporary references calling it the "Bellamy salute"; that term seems to only have come into use in historical accounts of the period, such as
this August 2016 Smithsonian piece. Even recent history books
still call it the flag salute.
Salute is linked from the lead sentence of
Bellamy salute, though the term "flag salute" does not appear in that article. So readers can find the more general uses of the term. Confess I was not aware of this piece of US history until now (though I am quite familiar with the
Nazi salute); I found it interesting. It's worth preserving and not obscuring by redirects to articles that only give "dictionary definition" coverage at best. Standing at attention and putting my hand over my heart is not an activity I associate with the term "salute". –
wbm1058 (
talk) 23:49, 24 January 2018 (UTC)reply
OK, I found some
contemporary uses. Typically in quotes; sometimes qualified by the term "so-called", or "for some years was known as the". But in general use, especially by the early 1940s, it was simply "the" flag salute, no qualifier needed to distinguish Bellamy's from the other salute(s).
wbm1058 (
talk) 00:38, 25 January 2018 (UTC)reply
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Crime in Puerto Rico
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The result of the discussion was Create a new article at the place. Per CoffeeWithMarkets' proposal.
(non-admin closure)Winged BladesGodric 10:51, 11 January 2018 (UTC)reply
I clicked on this link looking for information about the Puerto Rican criminal justice system, and instead found this. It's a seven-year-old article that was at this title for a full two years before being moved, so I'm slightly hesitant to delete it, but ultimately I think that's what would be best, per
WP:REDLINK; if anything, the relatively high traffic will make it that much more likely that an article be created. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 17:04, 10 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete - As stated by the nominator, this redirect which I once created is no longer needed and therefore should be deleted. The redirect was created in the first place because someone had written about the subject "Crime in Puerto Rico" indicating that "drugs" was the only criminal factor, which is not true and as such was redirected to the article "Illegal drugs in Puerto Rico". Since crime in Puerto Rico is not limited to illegal drugs, then the redirect no longer makes any sense.
Tony the Marine (
talk) 17:19, 10 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Retarget per Uanfala. More information would be helpful there, but that could be said about almost anything. And presumably more content would need to be added at that section before thought was given to a standalone article again anyway. --
BDD (
talk) 22:13, 19 December 2017 (UTC)reply
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Tavix(
talk) 21:20, 20 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Retarget per Uanfala - a section exists on the topic, so a redirect there makes sense.
Galobtter (
pingó mió) 10:30, 28 December 2017 (UTC)reply
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Killiondude (
talk) 07:52, 29 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Reverse redirect. The article used to be about "crime in Puerto Rico" with a heavy emphasis on illegal drugs. It was moved probably because of this emphasis, but I don't think it needs to be blown up and start anew (ala
WP:REDLINK). There are still plenty of signs the article was originally about crime in general, chief among them include the infobox that has nothing specifically to do with illegal drugs as well as sections on gangs and police corruption. Perhaps there can be a few more sections regarding non-drug related crime, but I do feel the current article would be the place to add that information, especially seeing that the current article is currently <20kb. Looking at
the final revision before the page move, there was a section on political corruption that could be re-added, for example. --
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talk) 02:25, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
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Aervanath (
talk) 20:57, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
At the risk of making an even further mess of things, I went ahead and created '
Crime within Puerto Rico' so that we had something that functions as a general concept article. I propose that its content be swapped with '
Crime in Puerto Rico' so that said page is no longer a redirect at all.
CoffeeWithMarkets (
talk) 22:13, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
@
CoffeeWithMarkets: Am I correct in my understanding of RfD policy, in thinking that you're allowed to make that move yourself right now and moot the entire RfD? Because if so, I'd say that's what you should do. Your article looks great! @
Marine 69-71: Any thoughts? — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 00:01, 11 January 2018 (UTC)reply
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Eurosocialism
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The result of the discussion was delete. --
Tavix(
talk) 18:32, 22 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Not mentioned anywhere in the target, so the reader looking for a definition of the term is left none the wiser. Could be a soft redirect to
Wiktionary. –
Arms & Hearts (
talk) 16:00, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment - Given the commentary that uses the specific term "Eurosocialism", might this be a case of
WP:REDLINK?
CoffeeWithMarkets (
talk) 20:46, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
It was previously an article, so restoring that might be a better solution if the consensus is that the topic is likely to be notable. My sense though is that it isn't. –
Arms & Hearts (
talk) 19:09, 11 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete. The term "Eurosocialism" returns only 3,840 Google hits, which is very little for what is supposed to be a Europe-wide ideology with a huge following, and I don't think there is a real ideology called "Eurosocialism". The original version of this article was just
WP:OR based on American oversimplifications and misconceptions about social democracy in Europe, that failed to distinguish between social democracy and what is usually referred to as socialism in Europe. --
Tataral (
talk) 20:31, 11 January 2018 (UTC)reply
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2018 flu pandemic
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The result of the discussion was delete. Anarchyte (
work |
talk) 02:31, 18 January 2018 (UTC)reply
There is no flu "pandemic" right now in 2018, so there is no reason to keep this title. Presently, the flu may be endemic in the United States, but not around the world. –
MPWikiEdits (
questions?) 15:44, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment This page need not be deleted. If this redirect page could be moved to a proper title such as "2018 American flu endemic" or even "2018 flu endemic", that would be acceptable. –
MPWikiEdits (
questions?) 17:10, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep - Keep per
WP:CHEAP as a useful search term, consistent with other flu seasons. The page was inappropriately deleted as {{db-g7}}. --
Jax 0677 (
talk) 18:16, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete per
WP:GLOBALIZE and/or
WP:XY. Some of you may have noticed that influenza also occurs outside the United States.
Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 21:37, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete Misleading redirect.ZXCVBNM (
TALK) 05:04, 11 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete should redirect to a worldwide article or nowhere
PriceDL (
talk) 05:17, 12 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Reply - If there is no other article about a 2017 nor 2018 flu pandemic, then this redirect should remain. Otherwise, we can change the name of the target article to "2017–18 flu season". --
Jax 0677 (
talk) 18:03, 13 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete misleading for 2 reasons: 1. The article it links to is only about the US, despite the fact that "pandemic" means worldwide. 2. Regardless of the globalization issues, there is no flu pandemic in 2018, so the redirect title is something that doesn't exist, with redirects to a very different thing that does exist.
Tornado chaser (
talk) 19:44, 13 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Also I just saw that the {{influenza}} template falsely lists 2018 as a pandemic year due to this redirect.
Tornado chaser (
talk) 16:28, 14 January 2018 (UTC)reply
It looks like Jax has decided to add his redirect to the navbox. I've reverted. --
Tavix(
talk) 16:30, 14 January 2018 (UTC)reply
So thats why I didn't see 2018 when I tried to edit the navbox.
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talk) 16:34, 14 January 2018 (UTC)reply
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Type-0
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Too confusing with the blood type "O". ZXCVBNM (
TALK) 14:54, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Retarget to
Type 0, a disambiguation page. While I don't think there would be much confusion, I've added it to the see also. --
Tavix(
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Final Fantasy PS3
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Ffx3
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The result of the discussion was delete.
Killiondude (
talk) 23:09, 18 January 2018 (UTC)reply
"x3" is a really, really weird way of writing "13", making this redirect implausible. Also confusing and misleading, as there is a Final Fantasy X-2.ZXCVBNM (
TALK) 14:45, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Weak delete per nominator.
WP:R#D8 implausible synonym for the target. The possibility of
Final Fantasy X-3 as a sequel to X-2 is mentioned briefly at
Final Fantasy X#Legacy, but I don't think these are likely search terms for that, given their spacing/formatting.
59.149.124.29 (
talk) 03:32, 13 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Still overly confusing. It could refer to "Final Fantasy X 3", "Final Fantasy 13" or "Firefox 3", but is ultimately more confusing than necessary.ZXCVBNM (
TALK) 07:33, 13 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete: "X3" is not a plausible way to write
13 and is not mentioned at the disambiguation page
X3.
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The result of the discussion was delete. --
Tavix(
talk) 16:26, 19 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment on redirect: ", #SG100 is used to celebrate the 50 years after SG50, the time from Singapore (between: 9 August 2015 and 9 August 2065)." This violates
WP:CRYSTAL, but is there otherwise a good reason to keep this redirect?
feminist (
talk) 13:04, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete - no mention of centennial celebrations planned for 47 years from now in the article. Could be confused with the proper notation for 100
Singaporean dollars.
Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 21:41, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
But probably not a useful typo, like
SG1000 might be if it weren't a redlink.
Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:31, 15 January 2018 (UTC)reply
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Final Fantasy VII wiki
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The result of the discussion was delete.
Killiondude (
talk) 00:50, 18 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Pointless, self-referential redirect that is unnecessary. ZXCVBNM (
TALK) 08:11, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete there's an FFVII
Wikia site, but it isn't discussed at the target or anywhere else in Wikipedia, and shouldn't be given its lack of reliable-source coverage.
59.149.124.29 (
talk) 10:42, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete. The target is not or is not about a Final Fantasy VII wiki.
Steel1943 (
talk) 17:18, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete per above --
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HuainaruhuantaziIV
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The result of the discussion was delete.
Killiondude (
talk) 00:50, 18 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Again with the weird romanizations. It's obvious this is an implausible redirect. ZXCVBNM (
TALK) 07:56, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete Eubot mistranscription garbage (turning ファ Fa into Hua).
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Final Fantasy Iii
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The result of the discussion was delete.
Killiondude (
talk) 00:50, 18 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Highly implausible. Why would someone type one uppercase "I" and then two lowercase? ZXCVBNM (
TALK) 07:54, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete - I suppose somebody, somewhere, might do this. But I really don't believe that the redirect is worth keeping.
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Final Fantasy 3j
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Apparently someone used the name as shorthand for the Japanese exclusive version of the game. However, it appears to be a non-notable neologism. Unnecessary - delete. ZXCVBNM (
TALK) 07:48, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep. These were common terms used to distinguish Final Fantasy III US (aka Final Fantasy VI) and Final Fantasy III on the NES in an earlier era. Redirects don't have to be "notable", just useful.
SnowFire (
talk) 08:59, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Unless you can find a source that says that, and add it to the article, that is just
WP:OR or hearsay.ZXCVBNM (
TALK) 11:29, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Please see
WP:RFD#KEEP #5, "it's useful." Redirects are more flexible than article content with a much weaker standard for inclusion. As far as sources,
a simple Google search should suffice.
SnowFire (
talk) 20:05, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep yeah, anecdotally a decade ago it was not uncommon to refer to the game released in the US as "Final fantasy 3" and the actual game by that name released solely in Japan as "Final Fantasy 3j", since many people wouldn't immediately recognize "Final Fantasy 6" since no such game by that name had been released in the US. Redirects do not need sources in order to justify themselves. --PresN 18:58, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was delete.
Killiondude (
talk) 00:49, 18 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Why does this even exist? Period is "point"-less. ZXCVBNM (
TALK) 07:43, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete. The full stop makes this an unlikely search term.
Steel1943 (
talk) 13:21, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete as unlikely typo and unused stylization.
AngusWOOF (
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sniff) 18:14, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete per above --
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The result of the discussion was delete.
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The result of the discussion was no consensus. No prejudice towards turning Celeris into a disambiguation page.
(non-admin closure)Galobtter (
pingó mió) 06:19, 20 January 2018 (UTC) Amendment: someone has turned
Celeris into a stub on the company, which I did not notice; it is now moot I guess.
Galobtter (
pingó mió) 06:24, 20 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete. A game company should not redirect to one of the titles it produces. They've made other games, such as FlixMix. —
SMcCandlish☏¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 17:42, 22 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep Article gives the most information concerning Celeris including a note on FlixMix. Also, the article covers the franchise of products and assumes this is their most notable product.
AngusWOOF (
bark •
sniff) 00:39, 23 December 2017 (UTC)reply
There is also the mythological figure of that name mentioned at
Equuleus. –
Uanfala (talk) 03:01, 24 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Good find! Should this be a dab then?
AngusWOOF (
bark •
sniff) 15:42, 25 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep Virtual Pool is the only notable game the studio has developed so it's the appropriate redirect target. --
Mika1h (
talk) 21:55, 25 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Uh, that's stark-obviously not true. Repeat: FlixMix. —
SMcCandlish☏¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 13:57, 31 December 2017 (UTC)reply
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talk) 16:19, 29 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom. It's not like Virtual Pool is a household name. Maybe it's more notable than FlixMix, and certainly has a better article, but if there's
more than one article it could point to, it's time to sink or swim. Standalone article or redlink. (Not that there couldn't be another option, such as targeting a parent company, but we'd have to find it first.) --
BDD (
talk) 21:47, 9 January 2018 (UTC)reply
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Celeris Inc to this discussion, a related redirect that almost surely should follow this one.
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Tavix(
talk) 02:27, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep both - I understand that the company has produced more than one video game series, yes, but just a little bit of searching shows how the firm is totally defined by the Virtual Pool series. It alone has received widespread attention and remains of some notice years and years after it first was released.
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talk) 06:59, 19 January 2018 (UTC)reply
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Paper machete
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The result of the discussion was delete. --
Tavix(
talk) 16:24, 19 January 2018 (UTC)reply
This was deleted in 2016 at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 December 10#Paper machete, but then got recreated several months later off an AFC request, on the purported grounds that this is a "common" misspelling. But firstly, I can find little evidence that it's a common misspelling -- I find far more Google hits for it as the deliberately punny name of a non-notable Soundcloud band than as a misspelled reference to papier maché -- and secondly, even if some person somewhere does think it's spelled this way, typing it into the search bar will have brought up the article the person was looking for before they actually have to type that implausible t. So there's just no genuine need for it.
Bearcat (
talk) 02:13, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Unless I'm misunderstanding something here, it looks like we can just speedily delete both per
G4, which applies to the former for obvious reasons and to the latter as a "sufficiently identical cop[y]" of the former. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 03:01, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete both - I expect that if we just let the RFD process go through than it will be unanimously decided.
CoffeeWithMarkets (
talk) 14:24, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete both per nom. Machete isn't a plausible alternative spelling for Mache.
AngusWOOF (
bark •
sniff) 17:46, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
RetargetPaper machete to
paper cutter, delete the other. I don't buy that this is a common misspelling for papier-mâché, even if it's brutally Anglicized.
Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 21:49, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Are there any news articles that support this concept? I'm seeing more for some show called The Paper Machete in Chicago.
[1]AngusWOOF (
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The result of the discussion was no consensus, but no prejudice against renomination of any individual or batch from the group of 68. (Renominating the entire group would seem ill-advised.) --
BDD (
talk) 18:09, 19 January 2018 (UTC)reply
A Neelix combinatorial explosion for RfD to chew on. No opinion on the correct result beyond that it should be discussed
Tazerdadog (
talk) 01:50, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Full list:reply
Comment: One of the redirects listed in this discussion, People of Achara, is mentioned in one of the hatnotes on the target page.
Steel1943 (
talk) 13:24, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
This badly needs to be split up as the redirects vary greatly in plausibility. For example, both '
Peoples of Acara' and '
People of Acara' are extremely reasonable, one of them even being explicitly mentioned in the target page as stated above. If we take this as an all or nothing situation, then I hope that we don't delete this block of redirects.
CoffeeWithMarkets (
talk) 14:23, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
This is definitely not an all-or nothing situation, some of the redirects are certainly appropriate - that said the combinatorial explosion is too big for me to safely conclude that they all are, and they seem similar enough that they are most efficiently discussed together. I'm looking to figure out where the line is between appropriate and excessive with this discussion.
Tazerdadog (
talk) 01:41, 11 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment Preliminary thoughts:
Unfortunately all of the spelling variants of Adjara seem plausible, in that they make hundreds or thousands of appearances in Google Books; however, some of the "Autonomous Republic of Adjara" variants may be implausible. See hidden table below for details.
Also, I
WP:BOLDly corrected #52-#68 (should be "Persons of", were duplicates of #35-#51 "Person of"). Cheers,
59.149.124.29 (
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Variant spellings of "Adjara"/"Autonomous Republic of Adjara"
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PSP 2
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Unclear whether this refers to the PSP-2000 model, the PSP Go or the PS Vita. Too vague to be a redirect. ZXCVBNM (
TALK) 01:44, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment adding
PSP2 and Psp2, since they've all been jerked around back and forth between
Phantasy Star Portable 2 and other targets multiple times without discussion. These should probably either point to the same place or get deleted together. Also, the protein
RBM14 lists PSP2 as an alias.
59.149.124.29 (
talk) 12:00, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Disambiguate as suggested. No clear primary topic for this abbreviation.
AngusWOOF (
bark •
sniff) 18:12, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Disambiguate using
PSP2 and redirect all other versions to the dab page, per above. The listing should include
List of PaintShop Pro releases, because Paint Shop Pro was frequently known as PSP before the current topics existed. --
70.52.11.217 (
talk) 05:21, 13 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Dabify per above --
Lenticel(
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PlayStation Vita homebrew
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Tavix(
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The article says nothing about homebrew software. ZXCVBNM (
TALK) 01:42, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
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Wikipedia does not promote piracy therefore this redirect shouldn't exist. ZXCVBNM (
TALK) 01:35, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment Wikipedia doesn't promote murder for hire either. PlayStation Portable piracy exists, and there's enough reliable sources on the topic to write at least an article section and make this a {{R to section}} (see e.g.
Talk:PlayStation Portable/Archive 5#Piracy; there's more going back as far as
2005). OTOH I would understand deleting this if no one actually steps up to write that section, since the target does not mention the word "piracy" right now (it did in the past).
59.149.124.29 (
talk) 09:52, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep now that it is mentioned at the target, thanks to Galobtter. Might be best to leave it pointing at the top of the article rather than pointing to a section, since more information about piracy might go in any number of sections (e.g. Emulation, Custom firmware, etc.)
59.149.124.29 (
talk) 14:39, 18 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep Perhaps targeted to #Sales. Absolutely ridiculous nom - in no way is piracy being promoted; enough sources are there that a section could be written; not sure if in general a section is deserved, seeing that other consoles don't have a section. But I added a sentence to sales based on one of the references.
Galobtter (
pingó mió) 14:09, 17 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep - And I believe that we should refine things to go specifically to
PlayStation_Portable#Sales, as mentioned above, and that section should probably be expanded with more reliable source coverage on the piracy issue. There's a
nuanced article from
Arstechnica.com on it.
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talk) 06:54, 19 January 2018 (UTC)reply
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Pay$tation Portable
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DeleteWP:RNEUTRAL says if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral, but this one isn't used in any reliable sources as far as I can see. It was created as a result of page-move vandalism, and gets almost no views.
59.149.124.29 (
talk) 10:39, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete - We have redirects that are pejorative; after all, '
Tricky Dick' goes to
Richard Nixon's page as it should. However, this particular redirect is, as stated above, an obscure thing not really used by reliable sources.
CoffeeWithMarkets (
talk) 14:15, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Speedy delete should have been deleted years ago. I've sent this to CSD and referred to this thread. If the pejorative is still actively used or article has a section warranting such, then reconsider.
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Flash 0
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The result of the discussion was delete. Anarchyte (
work |
talk) 02:16, 17 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete not mentioned in the article. Searches for Flash 0 refer to a non-notable Flash Zero band, "The Flash #0" prequel for The Flash by Francis Manapul
[2], articles on Adobe Flash Zero-Day vulnerability,
AngusWOOF (
bark •
sniff) 17:56, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete due to vagueness --
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Firmware 4.00
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The result of the discussion was delete. Anarchyte (
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talk) 02:16, 17 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete - I agree. As stated above, this is too vague to be useful.
CoffeeWithMarkets (
talk) 20:53, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete as vague --
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Michael Zazarino
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Redirect for NN voice actor to the one role he had. Please consider this a nomination for
Michael zazarino as well.
Toddst1 (
talk) 22:34, 2 January 2018 (UTC)reply
KEEP Actually, Michael Zazarino was originally closed as a redirect, which is why I made it one (even though I originally crafter a well researched, and properly referenced article on Michael). Michael has also appeared on other shows FYI. A quick trip to IMDb will inform you of this. I originally made a page for Michael because I am a big fan of South Park, and I wanted to contribute to the Wikipedia community. South Park is one of the most widely watched shows in the world. The live action episode was one of the most unique episodes ever created (as the show is a cartoon). Michael played
Stan Marsh. This a character that is recognized by name all over the world. Michael was the lead of the show that episode (as he did the most acting out of all of the live action actors), and the entire crux of the show based on the live action scenes. These were fully acted, long scenes, with heavy dialogue, as well as a monologue delivered by Michael. This was a major part. There were articles about the live action on Huffington Post, IGN, AV Club, Thrillist, and International Business Times, as well as an interview with the creators of South Park (Trey Parker and Matt Stone) about the casting and use of live action on the South Park. To emphasize, Stan Marsh which is one of the most well known fictional cartoon characters ever created and he was played in live action form by Michael Zazarino. Fans of the show have a right to know who this is if they research Michael or the episode on Wikipedia without their results turning up blank. Why would you want to take that away from fans of the show or anyone else who is curious about finding out more about an actor who played the lead character on a major show? What is the point of removing an actor who has appeared on one of the largest shows in the world, as one of the most well known characters in the world? Especially when the episode is still CURRENTLY being replayed on Comedy Central as well as being streamed on major platforms such as Hulu. I honestly do not think the editors who have voted to delete this redirect or my past article have seen the live action episode of South Park, and therefore they are naive and don't understand what it was. Maybe they think it was a small voice over role? If you have not seen the episode, and you have voted to delete this article, please actually WATCH it to understand. It is not a cartoon. It is real people, really acting, and really doing scenes. As some of the biggest cartoon characters in the world with Michael playing
Stan Marsh. Not just a quick appearance, but actually doing full scenes with a story arc. This is NOT a voice actor and it was not voice acting. This was LIVE ACTION acting on one of the worlds best known cartoons which is why it was so special and such a big deal. Please actually watch the episode and don't just assume you know what it is.
SouthParkFan2017 (
talk) 03:23, 5 January 2018 (UTC) — Preceding comment by
SouthParkFan2017 (
talk •
contribs) who has made
few or no other edits outside this topic. 03:14, 5 January 2018 (UTC)reply
I will say Keep because I would imagine it is useful for users who find themselves looking this actor up for whatever reason to be directed to the page that most closely represents him. ―Matthew J. Long-Talk-☖ 19:43, 5 January 2018 (UTC)reply
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Aervanath (
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Delete The problem is that the article presents nothing about Zazarino's career here. He only appears in the one episode. He wasn't the creator of the episode or in a place where some biography can be written in a section of the article.
AngusWOOF (
bark •
sniff) 18:05, 15 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Note that if any of his live-action portrayal can be detailed in a section, it could be redirected to the
Stan Marsh article as
WP:BLP1E.
AngusWOOF (
bark •
sniff) 16:16, 17 January 2018 (UTC)reply
SouthParkFan2017 can you write up a live-action portrayal section in
Stan Marsh's article? If there are so many news articles about his work there as you presented, they can go there.
AngusWOOF (
bark •
sniff) 19:02, 17 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep. Michael Zazarino's only credit of note on Wikipedia is this episode, and the episode does the best job of describing his role in the episode. --
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Flag salute
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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Just..absolutely no consensus for anything. Evenly split among three different possible targets.
(non-admin closure)Galobtter (
pingó mió) 17:51, 25 January 2018 (UTC)reply
This is a very american-centric redirect and if someone searches for the poem,
Flag Salute but types
Flag salute instead, they will end up at the wrong article, with
Flag salute being an obscure synonym for the
Bellamy Salute. The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine.
Toddst1 (
talk) 00:45, 2 January 2018 (UTC)reply
DeleteWP:REDLINK to encourage creation of an article about flag salutes in different countries (instead of what's effectively an
WP:INUSA redirect).Flag Salute is not a good target, per
WP:DIFFCAPS.
59.149.124.29 (
talk) 02:12, 2 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Since there seems to be resistance to deletion, retarget to
Salute#Civilian salutes (since that section is almost entirely about flags) and hatnote the poem there. Neither page views nor incoming links nor usage of the phrase in Google Books support that the poem is
WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT for lower-case "salute".
59.149.124.29 (
talk) 07:07, 4 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep Odd to call something "american-centric" and recommend retargeting it to an American poem. The IP's suggestion has some merit, but civilians aren't the only ones who salute flags, and pointing to just plain
Salute doesn't seem very helpful. Since it's linked in the first line of the target article anyway, I really don't see a problem here. --
BDD (
talk) 22:25, 9 January 2018 (UTC)reply
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Aervanath (
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Keep Plenty of pages are differentiated by capitalization: a
hatnote all that is needed. Nom is predicated on the unsupported assertion that it's "an obscure synonym". I find that hard to believe when
Bellamy salute absolutely crushes
Flag Salute in page views.
SteveStrummer (
talk) 03:58, 13 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Retarget to
Salute#Civilian salutes which detail how salutes to different flags in various countries are handled. Hatnote to the poem and Bellamy if needed. When people are looking up salutes they might think the regular military salute is appropriate for the flag as well. They'll also see the sentence "In the United States, civilians may salute the U.S. flag by placing their right hand over their heart or by standing at attention during the playing of the national anthem or while reciting the U.S. Pledge of Allegiance, or when the flag is passing by, as in a parade." The hand over heart and standing at attention (or kneeling if you're protesting) is a lot more common for saluting.
AngusWOOF (
bark •
sniff) 19:05, 17 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment. Are any other salutes other than the
Bellamy salute known as "flag salute"? Per
Bellamy salute: "During the period when it was used with the Pledge of Allegiance, it was sometimes known as the "flag salute". It seems to me that it would be acceptable as a {{R from alternative name}}. To address the search term argument that the nominator brought up, when searching using the term "flag salute" on Wikipedia, I find its use most often as a synonym for the Bellamy salute. It's mentioned in a couple of U.S. Supreme Court cases, including
West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette as well as in
Pledge of Allegiance (United States). That being said, I can see it useful as a search term looking for salutes to flags in general. If it is decided to retarget to
Salute, I would prefer not to refine it to a certain section. There are other parts of the article that mention a salute to a flag (eg:
Indonesia Salute) as saluting flags is not limited to civilian use. --
Tavix(
talk) 18:31, 22 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Strong keep. It was "sometimes" known as the "flag salute"? Citation needed. More like commonly. The
Google Ngram doesn't even find the so-called "Bellamy salute". "Flag salute" first appeared around the time of the American Civil War. The
1901 Journal of the ... National Convention of the Woman's Relief Corps documents the use of the flag salute in several states. Descriptions of the
Hand Flag Salute and Oral Flag Salute, ca. 1917. I haven't found any contemporary references calling it the "Bellamy salute"; that term seems to only have come into use in historical accounts of the period, such as
this August 2016 Smithsonian piece. Even recent history books
still call it the flag salute.
Salute is linked from the lead sentence of
Bellamy salute, though the term "flag salute" does not appear in that article. So readers can find the more general uses of the term. Confess I was not aware of this piece of US history until now (though I am quite familiar with the
Nazi salute); I found it interesting. It's worth preserving and not obscuring by redirects to articles that only give "dictionary definition" coverage at best. Standing at attention and putting my hand over my heart is not an activity I associate with the term "salute". –
wbm1058 (
talk) 23:49, 24 January 2018 (UTC)reply
OK, I found some
contemporary uses. Typically in quotes; sometimes qualified by the term "so-called", or "for some years was known as the". But in general use, especially by the early 1940s, it was simply "the" flag salute, no qualifier needed to distinguish Bellamy's from the other salute(s).
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Crime in Puerto Rico
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The result of the discussion was Create a new article at the place. Per CoffeeWithMarkets' proposal.
(non-admin closure)Winged BladesGodric 10:51, 11 January 2018 (UTC)reply
I clicked on this link looking for information about the Puerto Rican criminal justice system, and instead found this. It's a seven-year-old article that was at this title for a full two years before being moved, so I'm slightly hesitant to delete it, but ultimately I think that's what would be best, per
WP:REDLINK; if anything, the relatively high traffic will make it that much more likely that an article be created. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 17:04, 10 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete - As stated by the nominator, this redirect which I once created is no longer needed and therefore should be deleted. The redirect was created in the first place because someone had written about the subject "Crime in Puerto Rico" indicating that "drugs" was the only criminal factor, which is not true and as such was redirected to the article "Illegal drugs in Puerto Rico". Since crime in Puerto Rico is not limited to illegal drugs, then the redirect no longer makes any sense.
Tony the Marine (
talk) 17:19, 10 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Retarget per Uanfala. More information would be helpful there, but that could be said about almost anything. And presumably more content would need to be added at that section before thought was given to a standalone article again anyway. --
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Tavix(
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Retarget per Uanfala - a section exists on the topic, so a redirect there makes sense.
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Reverse redirect. The article used to be about "crime in Puerto Rico" with a heavy emphasis on illegal drugs. It was moved probably because of this emphasis, but I don't think it needs to be blown up and start anew (ala
WP:REDLINK). There are still plenty of signs the article was originally about crime in general, chief among them include the infobox that has nothing specifically to do with illegal drugs as well as sections on gangs and police corruption. Perhaps there can be a few more sections regarding non-drug related crime, but I do feel the current article would be the place to add that information, especially seeing that the current article is currently <20kb. Looking at
the final revision before the page move, there was a section on political corruption that could be re-added, for example. --
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Aervanath (
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At the risk of making an even further mess of things, I went ahead and created '
Crime within Puerto Rico' so that we had something that functions as a general concept article. I propose that its content be swapped with '
Crime in Puerto Rico' so that said page is no longer a redirect at all.
CoffeeWithMarkets (
talk) 22:13, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
@
CoffeeWithMarkets: Am I correct in my understanding of RfD policy, in thinking that you're allowed to make that move yourself right now and moot the entire RfD? Because if so, I'd say that's what you should do. Your article looks great! @
Marine 69-71: Any thoughts? — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 00:01, 11 January 2018 (UTC)reply
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Eurosocialism
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The result of the discussion was delete. --
Tavix(
talk) 18:32, 22 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Not mentioned anywhere in the target, so the reader looking for a definition of the term is left none the wiser. Could be a soft redirect to
Wiktionary. –
Arms & Hearts (
talk) 16:00, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment - Given the commentary that uses the specific term "Eurosocialism", might this be a case of
WP:REDLINK?
CoffeeWithMarkets (
talk) 20:46, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
It was previously an article, so restoring that might be a better solution if the consensus is that the topic is likely to be notable. My sense though is that it isn't. –
Arms & Hearts (
talk) 19:09, 11 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete. The term "Eurosocialism" returns only 3,840 Google hits, which is very little for what is supposed to be a Europe-wide ideology with a huge following, and I don't think there is a real ideology called "Eurosocialism". The original version of this article was just
WP:OR based on American oversimplifications and misconceptions about social democracy in Europe, that failed to distinguish between social democracy and what is usually referred to as socialism in Europe. --
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2018 flu pandemic
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The result of the discussion was delete. Anarchyte (
work |
talk) 02:31, 18 January 2018 (UTC)reply
There is no flu "pandemic" right now in 2018, so there is no reason to keep this title. Presently, the flu may be endemic in the United States, but not around the world. –
MPWikiEdits (
questions?) 15:44, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment This page need not be deleted. If this redirect page could be moved to a proper title such as "2018 American flu endemic" or even "2018 flu endemic", that would be acceptable. –
MPWikiEdits (
questions?) 17:10, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep - Keep per
WP:CHEAP as a useful search term, consistent with other flu seasons. The page was inappropriately deleted as {{db-g7}}. --
Jax 0677 (
talk) 18:16, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete per
WP:GLOBALIZE and/or
WP:XY. Some of you may have noticed that influenza also occurs outside the United States.
Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 21:37, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete Misleading redirect.ZXCVBNM (
TALK) 05:04, 11 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete should redirect to a worldwide article or nowhere
PriceDL (
talk) 05:17, 12 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Reply - If there is no other article about a 2017 nor 2018 flu pandemic, then this redirect should remain. Otherwise, we can change the name of the target article to "2017–18 flu season". --
Jax 0677 (
talk) 18:03, 13 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete misleading for 2 reasons: 1. The article it links to is only about the US, despite the fact that "pandemic" means worldwide. 2. Regardless of the globalization issues, there is no flu pandemic in 2018, so the redirect title is something that doesn't exist, with redirects to a very different thing that does exist.
Tornado chaser (
talk) 19:44, 13 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Also I just saw that the {{influenza}} template falsely lists 2018 as a pandemic year due to this redirect.
Tornado chaser (
talk) 16:28, 14 January 2018 (UTC)reply
It looks like Jax has decided to add his redirect to the navbox. I've reverted. --
Tavix(
talk) 16:30, 14 January 2018 (UTC)reply
So thats why I didn't see 2018 when I tried to edit the navbox.
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Too confusing with the blood type "O". ZXCVBNM (
TALK) 14:54, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Retarget to
Type 0, a disambiguation page. While I don't think there would be much confusion, I've added it to the see also. --
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The result of the discussion was delete.
Killiondude (
talk) 23:09, 18 January 2018 (UTC)reply
"x3" is a really, really weird way of writing "13", making this redirect implausible. Also confusing and misleading, as there is a Final Fantasy X-2.ZXCVBNM (
TALK) 14:45, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Weak delete per nominator.
WP:R#D8 implausible synonym for the target. The possibility of
Final Fantasy X-3 as a sequel to X-2 is mentioned briefly at
Final Fantasy X#Legacy, but I don't think these are likely search terms for that, given their spacing/formatting.
59.149.124.29 (
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Still overly confusing. It could refer to "Final Fantasy X 3", "Final Fantasy 13" or "Firefox 3", but is ultimately more confusing than necessary.ZXCVBNM (
TALK) 07:33, 13 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete: "X3" is not a plausible way to write
13 and is not mentioned at the disambiguation page
X3.
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Tavix(
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Comment on redirect: ", #SG100 is used to celebrate the 50 years after SG50, the time from Singapore (between: 9 August 2015 and 9 August 2065)." This violates
WP:CRYSTAL, but is there otherwise a good reason to keep this redirect?
feminist (
talk) 13:04, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete - no mention of centennial celebrations planned for 47 years from now in the article. Could be confused with the proper notation for 100
Singaporean dollars.
Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 21:41, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
But probably not a useful typo, like
SG1000 might be if it weren't a redlink.
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Killiondude (
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Pointless, self-referential redirect that is unnecessary. ZXCVBNM (
TALK) 08:11, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete there's an FFVII
Wikia site, but it isn't discussed at the target or anywhere else in Wikipedia, and shouldn't be given its lack of reliable-source coverage.
59.149.124.29 (
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Delete. The target is not or is not about a Final Fantasy VII wiki.
Steel1943 (
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Delete per above --
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HuainaruhuantaziIV
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The result of the discussion was delete.
Killiondude (
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Again with the weird romanizations. It's obvious this is an implausible redirect. ZXCVBNM (
TALK) 07:56, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete Eubot mistranscription garbage (turning ファ Fa into Hua).
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Killiondude (
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Highly implausible. Why would someone type one uppercase "I" and then two lowercase? ZXCVBNM (
TALK) 07:54, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete - I suppose somebody, somewhere, might do this. But I really don't believe that the redirect is worth keeping.
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Apparently someone used the name as shorthand for the Japanese exclusive version of the game. However, it appears to be a non-notable neologism. Unnecessary - delete. ZXCVBNM (
TALK) 07:48, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep. These were common terms used to distinguish Final Fantasy III US (aka Final Fantasy VI) and Final Fantasy III on the NES in an earlier era. Redirects don't have to be "notable", just useful.
SnowFire (
talk) 08:59, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Unless you can find a source that says that, and add it to the article, that is just
WP:OR or hearsay.ZXCVBNM (
TALK) 11:29, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Please see
WP:RFD#KEEP #5, "it's useful." Redirects are more flexible than article content with a much weaker standard for inclusion. As far as sources,
a simple Google search should suffice.
SnowFire (
talk) 20:05, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep yeah, anecdotally a decade ago it was not uncommon to refer to the game released in the US as "Final fantasy 3" and the actual game by that name released solely in Japan as "Final Fantasy 3j", since many people wouldn't immediately recognize "Final Fantasy 6" since no such game by that name had been released in the US. Redirects do not need sources in order to justify themselves. --PresN 18:58, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was delete.
Killiondude (
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Why does this even exist? Period is "point"-less. ZXCVBNM (
TALK) 07:43, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete. The full stop makes this an unlikely search term.
Steel1943 (
talk) 13:21, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete as unlikely typo and unused stylization.
AngusWOOF (
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Delete per above --
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The result of the discussion was delete.
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The result of the discussion was no consensus. No prejudice towards turning Celeris into a disambiguation page.
(non-admin closure)Galobtter (
pingó mió) 06:19, 20 January 2018 (UTC) Amendment: someone has turned
Celeris into a stub on the company, which I did not notice; it is now moot I guess.
Galobtter (
pingó mió) 06:24, 20 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete. A game company should not redirect to one of the titles it produces. They've made other games, such as FlixMix. —
SMcCandlish☏¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 17:42, 22 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep Article gives the most information concerning Celeris including a note on FlixMix. Also, the article covers the franchise of products and assumes this is their most notable product.
AngusWOOF (
bark •
sniff) 00:39, 23 December 2017 (UTC)reply
There is also the mythological figure of that name mentioned at
Equuleus. –
Uanfala (talk) 03:01, 24 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Good find! Should this be a dab then?
AngusWOOF (
bark •
sniff) 15:42, 25 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep Virtual Pool is the only notable game the studio has developed so it's the appropriate redirect target. --
Mika1h (
talk) 21:55, 25 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Uh, that's stark-obviously not true. Repeat: FlixMix. —
SMcCandlish☏¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 13:57, 31 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
BDD (
talk) 16:19, 29 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom. It's not like Virtual Pool is a household name. Maybe it's more notable than FlixMix, and certainly has a better article, but if there's
more than one article it could point to, it's time to sink or swim. Standalone article or redlink. (Not that there couldn't be another option, such as targeting a parent company, but we'd have to find it first.) --
BDD (
talk) 21:47, 9 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: relisting to add
Celeris Inc to this discussion, a related redirect that almost surely should follow this one.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, --
Tavix(
talk) 02:27, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep both - I understand that the company has produced more than one video game series, yes, but just a little bit of searching shows how the firm is totally defined by the Virtual Pool series. It alone has received widespread attention and remains of some notice years and years after it first was released.
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Paper machete
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Tavix(
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This was deleted in 2016 at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 December 10#Paper machete, but then got recreated several months later off an AFC request, on the purported grounds that this is a "common" misspelling. But firstly, I can find little evidence that it's a common misspelling -- I find far more Google hits for it as the deliberately punny name of a non-notable Soundcloud band than as a misspelled reference to papier maché -- and secondly, even if some person somewhere does think it's spelled this way, typing it into the search bar will have brought up the article the person was looking for before they actually have to type that implausible t. So there's just no genuine need for it.
Bearcat (
talk) 02:13, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Unless I'm misunderstanding something here, it looks like we can just speedily delete both per
G4, which applies to the former for obvious reasons and to the latter as a "sufficiently identical cop[y]" of the former. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 03:01, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete both - I expect that if we just let the RFD process go through than it will be unanimously decided.
CoffeeWithMarkets (
talk) 14:24, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete both per nom. Machete isn't a plausible alternative spelling for Mache.
AngusWOOF (
bark •
sniff) 17:46, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
RetargetPaper machete to
paper cutter, delete the other. I don't buy that this is a common misspelling for papier-mâché, even if it's brutally Anglicized.
Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 21:49, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Are there any news articles that support this concept? I'm seeing more for some show called The Paper Machete in Chicago.
[1]AngusWOOF (
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The result of the discussion was no consensus, but no prejudice against renomination of any individual or batch from the group of 68. (Renominating the entire group would seem ill-advised.) --
BDD (
talk) 18:09, 19 January 2018 (UTC)reply
A Neelix combinatorial explosion for RfD to chew on. No opinion on the correct result beyond that it should be discussed
Tazerdadog (
talk) 01:50, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Full list:reply
Comment: One of the redirects listed in this discussion, People of Achara, is mentioned in one of the hatnotes on the target page.
Steel1943 (
talk) 13:24, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
This badly needs to be split up as the redirects vary greatly in plausibility. For example, both '
Peoples of Acara' and '
People of Acara' are extremely reasonable, one of them even being explicitly mentioned in the target page as stated above. If we take this as an all or nothing situation, then I hope that we don't delete this block of redirects.
CoffeeWithMarkets (
talk) 14:23, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
This is definitely not an all-or nothing situation, some of the redirects are certainly appropriate - that said the combinatorial explosion is too big for me to safely conclude that they all are, and they seem similar enough that they are most efficiently discussed together. I'm looking to figure out where the line is between appropriate and excessive with this discussion.
Tazerdadog (
talk) 01:41, 11 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment Preliminary thoughts:
Unfortunately all of the spelling variants of Adjara seem plausible, in that they make hundreds or thousands of appearances in Google Books; however, some of the "Autonomous Republic of Adjara" variants may be implausible. See hidden table below for details.
Also, I
WP:BOLDly corrected #52-#68 (should be "Persons of", were duplicates of #35-#51 "Person of"). Cheers,
59.149.124.29 (
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Variant spellings of "Adjara"/"Autonomous Republic of Adjara"
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Unclear whether this refers to the PSP-2000 model, the PSP Go or the PS Vita. Too vague to be a redirect. ZXCVBNM (
TALK) 01:44, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment adding
PSP2 and Psp2, since they've all been jerked around back and forth between
Phantasy Star Portable 2 and other targets multiple times without discussion. These should probably either point to the same place or get deleted together. Also, the protein
RBM14 lists PSP2 as an alias.
59.149.124.29 (
talk) 12:00, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Disambiguate as suggested. No clear primary topic for this abbreviation.
AngusWOOF (
bark •
sniff) 18:12, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Disambiguate using
PSP2 and redirect all other versions to the dab page, per above. The listing should include
List of PaintShop Pro releases, because Paint Shop Pro was frequently known as PSP before the current topics existed. --
70.52.11.217 (
talk) 05:21, 13 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Dabify per above --
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The article says nothing about homebrew software. ZXCVBNM (
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Wikipedia does not promote piracy therefore this redirect shouldn't exist. ZXCVBNM (
TALK) 01:35, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment Wikipedia doesn't promote murder for hire either. PlayStation Portable piracy exists, and there's enough reliable sources on the topic to write at least an article section and make this a {{R to section}} (see e.g.
Talk:PlayStation Portable/Archive 5#Piracy; there's more going back as far as
2005). OTOH I would understand deleting this if no one actually steps up to write that section, since the target does not mention the word "piracy" right now (it did in the past).
59.149.124.29 (
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Keep now that it is mentioned at the target, thanks to Galobtter. Might be best to leave it pointing at the top of the article rather than pointing to a section, since more information about piracy might go in any number of sections (e.g. Emulation, Custom firmware, etc.)
59.149.124.29 (
talk) 14:39, 18 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep Perhaps targeted to #Sales. Absolutely ridiculous nom - in no way is piracy being promoted; enough sources are there that a section could be written; not sure if in general a section is deserved, seeing that other consoles don't have a section. But I added a sentence to sales based on one of the references.
Galobtter (
pingó mió) 14:09, 17 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep - And I believe that we should refine things to go specifically to
PlayStation_Portable#Sales, as mentioned above, and that section should probably be expanded with more reliable source coverage on the piracy issue. There's a
nuanced article from
Arstechnica.com on it.
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DeleteWP:RNEUTRAL says if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral, but this one isn't used in any reliable sources as far as I can see. It was created as a result of page-move vandalism, and gets almost no views.
59.149.124.29 (
talk) 10:39, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete - We have redirects that are pejorative; after all, '
Tricky Dick' goes to
Richard Nixon's page as it should. However, this particular redirect is, as stated above, an obscure thing not really used by reliable sources.
CoffeeWithMarkets (
talk) 14:15, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Speedy delete should have been deleted years ago. I've sent this to CSD and referred to this thread. If the pejorative is still actively used or article has a section warranting such, then reconsider.
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Delete not mentioned in the article. Searches for Flash 0 refer to a non-notable Flash Zero band, "The Flash #0" prequel for The Flash by Francis Manapul
[2], articles on Adobe Flash Zero-Day vulnerability,
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Delete due to vagueness --
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Delete - I agree. As stated above, this is too vague to be useful.
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Delete as vague --
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