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Remembering that we did themed sets for the FIFA Women's World Cup last year, I thought of an idea for a themed set of hooks: the 2024 Summer Olympics take place from July 26 to August 11 this year (in a little over five weeks) and I think there will probably be a decent number of Olympics-related hooks; I at least plan to write a good number of them. I was thinking we might be able to do something like one Olympics hook per day for the duration of the event, similar to how we did for the FIFA World Cup. Thoughts? BeanieFan11 ( talk) 20:16, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
Some related considerations:
All the Olympic-related hooks that I could spot are in the table below. Schwede 66 03:52, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
Just noting here that Zhang Ziyu has been nominated. Whilst she does play basketball and China is competing in that discipline at in Paris, she's not (yet?) a member of the China women's national basketball team. Hence, we could use this as another warmup hook. Schwede 66 05:01, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Could somebody please review Draft:Adam Maraana? The review could double as a QPQ, as the intention of the IP editor is to have this run as part of the Olympics. Schwede 66 06:15, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Red-tailed hawk, is there a good reason why you pulled the Solomon Islands at the 2020 Summer Olympics hook out of the special occasion holding area (SOHA) and put it into prep 4? Because if there isn't a good reason, I'd like to see this reverted. Schwede 66 00:49, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Some of the Olympic hooks need a bit more attention from reviewers, or nominators are dragging the chain with QPQs. For example, Prep 1 is already filled but there's still one hook that awaits its QPQ. Prep 2 is filling up but a review for this nomination hasn't even been started yet. I'd be happy to do some shuffling but there's nothing really to shuffle this with; further down, the hooks are all timed for particular occasions. Shifting items back into the Olympics proper is also tricky as almost all days have two or three items already. I'd most appreciate if those who can stand reviewing sports articles can give this some attention. Schwede 66 09:32, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Here's a summary of how many hooks we've got, and when they are scheduled to run:
Suggested date | Q / Prep | Hooks 18 Jul | Hooks 19 Jul | Hooks 21 Jul |
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21-Jul | Queue5 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
22-Jul | Prep6 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
23-Jul | Prep7 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
24-Jul | Prep1 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
25-Jul | Prep2 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
26-Jul | Prep3 | 2 | 2 | 3 |
27-Jul | Prep4 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
28-Jul | Prep5 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
29-Jul | Prep6 | 2 | 4 | 3 |
30-Jul | Prep7 | 3 | 3 | 5 |
31-Jul | Prep1 | 3 | 3 | 2 |
1-Aug | Prep2 | 2 | 2 | 3 |
2-Aug | Prep3 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
3-Aug | Prep4 | 2 | 3 | 2 |
4-Aug | Prep5 | 1 | 2 | 2 |
5-Aug | Prep6 | 2 | 2 | 1 |
6-Aug | Prep7 | 2 | 2 | 1 |
7-Aug | Prep1 | 2 | 2 | 1 |
8-Aug | Prep2 | 1 | 1 | 1 |
9-Aug | Prep3 | 1 | 1 | 2 |
10-Aug | Prep4 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
As can be seen:
Therefore, we have to agree whether we would be happy with three Olympic-related hooks per set. Delaying Olympic-related hooks that are already approved is definitely not helping. Schwede 66 22:49, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
SL93, Lorrane Oliveira was for Prep6, not Prep5. Schwede 66 00:43, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
We currently have four hooks for 29 July / Prep6; this is the next prep set that will become available. That sounds too many, however, only one of those hooks is currently at SOHA. One hook, a swimmer starting for Israel, hasn't had the review started yet. There may well be a reluctance to "touch" anything Israel, so this might not make it. The two other hooks are both awaiting BeanieFan11 to provide a QPQ. Thus, at this point in time, we only have one viable hook from four candidates. When Prep6 becomes available, I'll thus bring one of the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hooks forward so that we've at least got two hooks to go. Schwede 66 20:14, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
The Paris Olympics will be kicking off on 26 July 2024 with an opening ceremony in the early evening. Event competitions start two days earlier on 24 July with association football and rugby sevens. The closing ceremony (article yet to be written!) is on 11 August. That's 19 days of Olympics and as suggested above, we could run Solomon Islands at the 2020 Summer Olympics as a warmup just before that period.
There'll be some special date requests coming in and to avoid filling up individual hook sets with too much sport, I suggest we co-ordinate what will run when to spread things out in a logical fashion. I suspect that we'll stay in a 24-hour cycle for the duration of the event but if that changes, we can accommodate that as well. Time zone–wise, Paris is currently at UTC+02:00 ( Central European Summer Time or CEST), hence there are no mental gymnastics necessary as long as we stay in the 24-hour cycle. Comments welcome. Helpers are welcome and essential; I certainly don't want to do this all by myself as this was quite a bit of work some three years ago for the Tokyo Olympics. And with regards to my own special interests, I shall tell you that the Kiwi rowers are in good shape; I can hear the medals clinking already! Schwede 66 01:20, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
that after having been an unused alternate at the Tokyo Olympics, Maia Weintraub is now qualified for fencing at the Paris Olympics?That probably won't be seen as interesting enough. I'll deal with the other articles; thanks for your good work. Schwede 66 20:15, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
I don't know ... if I'll be able to do all the QPQs in time– maybe focus on QPQs for a wee while instead of writing further bios, BeanieFan11. Schwede 66 02:49, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Just a heads up that I've got a week of little available time coming up:
After that, things should be back to normal. Hence, it might be a good idea if others take the lead. Kingsif, you were asking whether there's something where you could help – here's your chance. Last time, Joseph2302 did a lot of good work – would you be interested to step up?
What needs doing? Here's a hopefully complete list:
If I think of anything else, I'll add that to the list. It's reasonably late in the process (the first competitions will start tomorrow) and all the structural issues are sorted. It just needs some low-level maintenance at this point. Schwede 66 23:05, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
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Alyssa Mendoza ( nom) | none | 30 July | Queue 7 | Assuming that she is still featherweight, the women's 57 kg boxing competition begins on 30 July with the round of 32. | published |
Andy Barat ( nom) | none | 30 July | Queue7 | Barat is going to compete in the men's slalom K-1, and that competition has its heats on 30 July. That's unfortunately the third article for this date. Before you promote to prep, please see the discussion above about combining this with the Alyssa Mendoza hook. | published |
Valentin Houinato ( nom) | none | 30 July | Queue7 | Nominated to DYK late in the process. Houinato is set to compete in the men's 81 kg judo event, with all competitions held on 30 July | published |
Shachar Sagiv ( nom) | none | 30 July | Queue7 | Men's triathlon is scheduled for 30 July starting at 8:00 | published |
Matthew Wright (triathlete) ( nom) | none | 30 July | Queue7 | Nominated to DYK late in the process. Wright is set to compete in the men's triathlon, which is scheduled for 30 July starting at 8:00. Is there an opportunity to combine the two triathletes in this set into one hook if both nominations get reviewed in time? | published |
Dylan Travis ( nom) | none | 31 July | Queue 1 | The first USA men's 3x3 game is on 30 July. Subsequent games are on 31 July, 1, 2, and 4 August if that date gets too crowded. | in queue |
2024 United States men's Olympic basketball team ( nom) | 28 July | 31 July | Queen1 | The U.S. team plays in the preliminary round on 28 and 31 July and on 3 August. We already have too many hooks for 28 July, so any of the other two options will work better. | in queue |
Marcedes Walker ( nom) | None | 1 August | Queue 2 | Walker is going to compete in the women's 3x3 basketball competition and they are playing a round robin round-robin tournament from 30 July to 3 August, playing every day. Hence, there's heaps of flexibility moving this hook around to suit. | in queue |
Warren Lawrence ( nom) | none | 1 August | Queue2 | Nominated to DYK late in the process. Lawrence is set to compete in the men's 50 metre freestyle event, with heats and semifinals on 1 August. | in queue |
Emily Ausmus ( nom) | none | 2 August | Prep 3 | Ausmus is competing in the women's water polo tournament in Group B, with preliminary round games held on 27, 29, and 31 July, and a game on 2 August. Any of those dates are suitable. | in prep |
Philippines at the 1924 Summer Olympics ( nom) | none | 2 August | Prep3 | One of the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hooks; can run on any day during the Olympics. We do have an image but it's of rather poor quality. | in prep |
2024 World Athletics Relays – Mixed 4 × 400 metres relay ( nom) | 2/3 August | 2 August | Prep3 | The mixed 4 × 400 metres relay is scheduled for 2 and 3 August 2024. [1] | in prep |
Filomenaleonisa Iakopo ( nom) | none | 3 August | Prep 4 | Iakopo is scheduled to compete in the women's 100 metres, with the preliminary round scheduled to be held on 3 August. | in prep |
Apsara Sakbun ( nom) | none | 3 August | Prep4 | Sakbun is going to compete in women's 50 metre freestyle swimming, with heats and semi-finals on 3 August. | in prep |
2022 European Athletics Championships – Women's 400 metres and 2022 European Athletics Championships – Women's 400 metres hurdles ( nom) | none | 4 August | Prep 5 | ![]() |
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Liechtenstein at the 1936 Summer Olympics ( nom) | none | 4 August | Prep5 | One of the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hooks; can run on any day during the Olympics | in prep |
Piper Kelly ( nom) | None | 5 August | Prep6 | Qualifications for women's speed climbing are on 5 Aug. | in prep |
Aniya Holder ( nom) | 5 August | 5 August | Prep6 | Qualifications for women's speed climbing are on 5 Aug. | in prep |
Suriname at the 1960 Summer Olympics ( nom) | none | Prep6 | One of the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hooks; can run on any day during the Olympics | in prep | |
Jenya Kazbekova ( nom) | 6/8 August | 6 August | Prep7 | Kazbekova is due to compete in women's combined sport climbing, with semifinals for the two competition elements (boulder and lead) split over two days: 6 & 8 August. Hence, this can run on either date. | in prep |
Zheng Haohao ( nom) | none | 6 August | Prep7 | Zheng is due to compete in women's park skateboarding on 6 Aug. | in prep |
Ruby Remati ( nom) | None | 7 August | Prep 1 | The team artistic swimming event will be held on 5, 6, and 7 August. The hook could run on any of those days. | In prep |
Mikaella Moshe ( nom) | None | Prep1 | In prep | ||
Emmanuella Atora ( nom) | 8 August | 8 August | Prep2 | Atora is due to compete in women's 57 kg taekwondo (assuming that she's still in this weight class). The competition is to be held on 8 August. | in prep |
1964 Summer Olympics medal table ( nom) | None | 8 August | At SOHA | ||
Manizha Talash ( nom) | none | 9 August | Breaking or breakdancing is a new sport. Who would have known. The competition for females is on 9 August. | At SOHA | |
Logan Edra ( nom) | none | 9 August | Here's our second female breakdancer. Any chance of combining the two hooks? | At SOHA | |
Gaku Akazawa ( nom) | none | 10 August | Akazawa is going to compete in the men's freestyle wrestling 65 kg, with the event scheduled to start on 10 August. | Under review | |
Alasan Ann ( nom) | none | 10 August | Ann is going to compete in the men's taekwondo +80 kg, with all events scheduled for 10 August. | At SOHA | |
Kennedy Blades ( nom) | none | 10 August | Blades is going to compete in the women's freestyle wrestling 76 kg, with the event scheduled to start on 10 August. | At SOHA | |
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@ Schwede66 I see you've recently taken to adding comments to hooks, as in Special:Diff/1235827214. I mentioned this earlier but that conversation got buried in the olympic mega-thread. So I'm bringing it up here for greater visibility.
I think this is a bad idea. And given that multiple other people (@ Pamzeis @ Art LaPella) have reverted these as either presumed accidents or vandalism, it would seem I'm not the only one. Can you please stop doing this? RoySmith (talk) 16:27, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
Guys, here's one possible approach; if you find a set with a problematic hook but don't have time to fix it, add a tick to the end of every hook you were able to verify, which will allow another admin to see which hooks have already been verified, saving time for everyone.You can find this in Archive 197. Later that month, Valereee started a separate discussion on this topic. You didn't object at those occasions, and it's been done every now and then by various admins. Why is this suddenly a problem? Why would it possibly not be helpful if you want to move a set to queue, knowing that you don't have to review nine articles, but some are already done? Schwede 66 01:22, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Making it easier to comment on questionable hooks is not attacking the root problem– that's not what I was trying to get at with my proposal. I suggest that we don't have enough admins promoting to queue because the task is too time-consuming. I need a two-hour block for that and for me, that is a show stopper. My thinking was that if you have time to check one, or several hooks, but not the whole set, that makes the task easier to spread over more editors, and the admin shortage may well diminish.
At SOHA; this hook has already had its admin checks done (by RoySmith)When did I do that? RoySmith (talk) 23:45, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
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... that some estimate that maintenance of existing software comprises up to nine times as much as creating it in the first place?
This hook does not make sense. What does it mean for maintenance to “comprise … as much as” creation? ꧁ Zanahary꧂ 15:04, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Hello, I would like to reopen the discussion regarding the hook proposed for the article above in DYK. The reason for the reopening is that I asked for a second reviewer (for the hook only) one day before the two month period expired, but my request went unnoticed. The reason for a second reviewer is that I think that the hook is perfectly acceptable, but the discussion went nowhere. Today I also asked for the opinion of another very experienced Wikipedian about this hook and he also doesn't see any problem. So a reopening and a third opinion would be welcome. Thanks, Alex2006 ( talk) 18:46, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Let's continue this
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The hook from Template:Did you know nominations/Embassy of the Philippines, Amman appears to fail WP:DYKBLP, but I could be wrong. Pinging nominator Sky Harbor and reviewer TheNuggeteer. SL93 ( talk) 23:12, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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@ Bruxton, Ergo Sum, and Sohom: substantial copying from press.vatican.va ( earwig report). It's not just the stuff that shows up in red in the report, but as you read through the text, it's obvious that this was just copied with a few words changed here and there. Needs a substantial rewrite, not just more minor sentence tweaks. RoySmith (talk) 14:29, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
@ SL93, Kimikel, and Lajmmoore: there's nothing wrong per-se, but the blow-my-socks-off story is that there was a German colony in Texas. As an American (albeit a neoyorquino), when I think of Texas history I think Mexican, and by extension Spanish. I was schocked to discover there was a German colony. If that could be emphasized more, it would make a much stronger hook. RoySmith (talk) 14:37, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
@ SL93, Arconning, and Flemmish Nietzsche: a particularly troublesome "first" hook. I'm willing to accept that the NFL or MLB keep detailed records which can back up these kinds of hooks, but a game played in the 1500s? The source, while nominally the Vatican newspaper, really looks like more of a blog, written in the first person ("He introduced me to many friends with whom I shared a passion for football"). I see lots of other mentions of this, but most don't give their source and those that do all point back to this one. RoySmith (talk) 14:45, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
seemingly negative opinions towards the advancement of sport involving women, especially women's gymnastics. It just needs a little tweaking to better tie that to the source. RoySmith (talk) 14:26, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
The hook is 212 prose characters long, well above the 200 character maximum. It needs to be shortened or a new hook proposed and checked. Pinging nominator Toadboy123, reviewer Soman, and promoter AirshipJungleman29. Thanks. BlueMoonset ( talk) 14:36, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
The previous list was archived several minutes ago, so I've created a new list of 36 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through July 7. We have a total of 253 nominations, of which 122 have been approved, a gap of 131 nominations that has decreased by 10 over the past 8 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!
More than one month old
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Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! BlueMoonset ( talk) 14:50, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
has .. ... that at age 12, Emily Ausmus participated in an international water polo tournament against players seven years older than her?
I believe that "her" should be "she" or "she is." 2603:7000:2101:AA00:45CF:48FA:4F1F:A7EF ( talk) 06:17, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
Hello, this is regarding Template:Did you know nominations/Better Off Dead?, which I nominated on 7 June.
Long story short: the reviewer objected to ALT0 and ALT0a as bad, taking a quote out of context
. I requested a new review of the hooks; theleekycauldron responded to the call but said that while she supports it running, I should ask here instead as the reviewer did not drop their objection. I'm therefore here in hopes of garnering a consensus for the hooks running
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Sdrqaz (
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Ravenpuff made the following modifications: ... that Cameroonian-born
Joel Embiid opted to play for the
[2] As the 2024 Olympics is ongoing, does "2024" need to be explicit, or can it be reasonably implied by the in "the U.S. Olympic basketball team"?—
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the2024 U.S. Olympic basketball team instead of France in part because his son is American?
I am here to request that Template:Did you know nominations/Babydog be given an exemption to the rule on being new enough, as the page was undergoing an AFD discussion after it was created. The nominator, User:Thriley, still needs to do a Quid Pro Quo review, but once that's done I would like the page to have a chance. I think that this is a case where WP:IAR is probably safe to invoke. Di (they-them) ( talk) 19:53, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
@ AbhiSuryawanshi, Awkwafaba, and JuniperChill: There is a sentence that needs a citation, which I have indicated with a cn tag. Z1720 ( talk) 15:26, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
Please see Template:Did you know nominations/Christopher Columbus (Zador). When I originally worked on this the special occasion date hadn't occurred to me. It wasn't until I got around to nominating it that I realized that the 85th anniversary of the opera was this year, and that it would also work for a Columbus Day hook. We are currently 10 to 11 weeks away from those dates. Any objections to running this for a special occasion even though it is about a month early for the 6 week window period? 4meter4 ( talk) 17:25, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
DYK: "... that though Donatello was a Bardi, he wasn't a Bardi?"
I have no idea where the links are going to go before I click them.
Rollinginhisgrave ( talk) 09:36, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
This hook was run yesterday. I logged a bunch of issues at WP:ERRORS but it scrolled off before they were resolved. They included:
My impression is that this didn't go well because the source wasn't clearly identified, was behind a paywall and wasn't quoted. Note that the nomination was professional paid work and so one would expect a high standard. So it goes...
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This is another blatant weasel – who estimates this? And it's obviously not a " definite fact which is unlikely to change" as there are a range of estimates. The hook discussion started with the figure of "three times" and it appears that such estimates are unreliable because the article repeatedly says that the topic has not been well-studied. Other issues include:
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"This hook doesn't work. Even if we assume that the book source is correct (which I can't check)..."So, right there we see the problem of being unable to access the source upon which the hook depended. You can't conduct a sensible discussion if you can't see the details. Relevant quotations should be mandatory in such cases.
how does the tomorrow view deal with DYK when the hook sets only last for 12 hours?If I had my druthers, we would take the whole idea of 12-hour updates and nuke it from orbit. It is antithetical to improving quality. Anybody can shovel manure twice as fast, but I'm not willing to play that game.
@ DYK admins: Queue 1 is missing the {{ DYKbotdo}}. Rather than attempt to fix it myself and possibly make it worse, could somebody who understands these page formats better than I do please take a look? Thanks. RoySmith (talk) 16:36, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
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@ Launchballer, @ Dxneo, @ Arconning, @ AirshipJungleman29: The three-day delay does not seem all that interesting or hooky to me, and distracts from the main point of interest, which is Eminiem killing off Slim Shady. I see from the nom that there were DYKFICTION concerns, but I don't think adding an unrelated fact about a short delay as a fig leaf makes a difference in that respect, as the Slim Shady element is still the part of the hook that anybody cares about. (If the hook was "that the music video for " Tobey" was delayed by three days", are you interested? No.)
Personally, I'm inclined to say that there's not a DYKFICTION issue. Eminem is a real person, and Slim Shady is an alter ego that he uses in real life, so we're clearly tied into "the real world in some way". The point isn't that a fictional character got killed, the point is that Eminem is metaphorically leaving his childish persona behind to (theoretically) mature as an artist.
Would anybody object to a reword to something like:
♠ PMC♠ (talk) 05:24, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
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This is where the Did you know section on the main page, its policies, and its processes can be discussed.
Remembering that we did themed sets for the FIFA Women's World Cup last year, I thought of an idea for a themed set of hooks: the 2024 Summer Olympics take place from July 26 to August 11 this year (in a little over five weeks) and I think there will probably be a decent number of Olympics-related hooks; I at least plan to write a good number of them. I was thinking we might be able to do something like one Olympics hook per day for the duration of the event, similar to how we did for the FIFA World Cup. Thoughts? BeanieFan11 ( talk) 20:16, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
Some related considerations:
All the Olympic-related hooks that I could spot are in the table below. Schwede 66 03:52, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
Just noting here that Zhang Ziyu has been nominated. Whilst she does play basketball and China is competing in that discipline at in Paris, she's not (yet?) a member of the China women's national basketball team. Hence, we could use this as another warmup hook. Schwede 66 05:01, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Could somebody please review Draft:Adam Maraana? The review could double as a QPQ, as the intention of the IP editor is to have this run as part of the Olympics. Schwede 66 06:15, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Red-tailed hawk, is there a good reason why you pulled the Solomon Islands at the 2020 Summer Olympics hook out of the special occasion holding area (SOHA) and put it into prep 4? Because if there isn't a good reason, I'd like to see this reverted. Schwede 66 00:49, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Some of the Olympic hooks need a bit more attention from reviewers, or nominators are dragging the chain with QPQs. For example, Prep 1 is already filled but there's still one hook that awaits its QPQ. Prep 2 is filling up but a review for this nomination hasn't even been started yet. I'd be happy to do some shuffling but there's nothing really to shuffle this with; further down, the hooks are all timed for particular occasions. Shifting items back into the Olympics proper is also tricky as almost all days have two or three items already. I'd most appreciate if those who can stand reviewing sports articles can give this some attention. Schwede 66 09:32, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Here's a summary of how many hooks we've got, and when they are scheduled to run:
Suggested date | Q / Prep | Hooks 18 Jul | Hooks 19 Jul | Hooks 21 Jul |
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21-Jul | Queue5 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
22-Jul | Prep6 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
23-Jul | Prep7 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
24-Jul | Prep1 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
25-Jul | Prep2 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
26-Jul | Prep3 | 2 | 2 | 3 |
27-Jul | Prep4 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
28-Jul | Prep5 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
29-Jul | Prep6 | 2 | 4 | 3 |
30-Jul | Prep7 | 3 | 3 | 5 |
31-Jul | Prep1 | 3 | 3 | 2 |
1-Aug | Prep2 | 2 | 2 | 3 |
2-Aug | Prep3 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
3-Aug | Prep4 | 2 | 3 | 2 |
4-Aug | Prep5 | 1 | 2 | 2 |
5-Aug | Prep6 | 2 | 2 | 1 |
6-Aug | Prep7 | 2 | 2 | 1 |
7-Aug | Prep1 | 2 | 2 | 1 |
8-Aug | Prep2 | 1 | 1 | 1 |
9-Aug | Prep3 | 1 | 1 | 2 |
10-Aug | Prep4 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
As can be seen:
Therefore, we have to agree whether we would be happy with three Olympic-related hooks per set. Delaying Olympic-related hooks that are already approved is definitely not helping. Schwede 66 22:49, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
SL93, Lorrane Oliveira was for Prep6, not Prep5. Schwede 66 00:43, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
We currently have four hooks for 29 July / Prep6; this is the next prep set that will become available. That sounds too many, however, only one of those hooks is currently at SOHA. One hook, a swimmer starting for Israel, hasn't had the review started yet. There may well be a reluctance to "touch" anything Israel, so this might not make it. The two other hooks are both awaiting BeanieFan11 to provide a QPQ. Thus, at this point in time, we only have one viable hook from four candidates. When Prep6 becomes available, I'll thus bring one of the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hooks forward so that we've at least got two hooks to go. Schwede 66 20:14, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
The Paris Olympics will be kicking off on 26 July 2024 with an opening ceremony in the early evening. Event competitions start two days earlier on 24 July with association football and rugby sevens. The closing ceremony (article yet to be written!) is on 11 August. That's 19 days of Olympics and as suggested above, we could run Solomon Islands at the 2020 Summer Olympics as a warmup just before that period.
There'll be some special date requests coming in and to avoid filling up individual hook sets with too much sport, I suggest we co-ordinate what will run when to spread things out in a logical fashion. I suspect that we'll stay in a 24-hour cycle for the duration of the event but if that changes, we can accommodate that as well. Time zone–wise, Paris is currently at UTC+02:00 ( Central European Summer Time or CEST), hence there are no mental gymnastics necessary as long as we stay in the 24-hour cycle. Comments welcome. Helpers are welcome and essential; I certainly don't want to do this all by myself as this was quite a bit of work some three years ago for the Tokyo Olympics. And with regards to my own special interests, I shall tell you that the Kiwi rowers are in good shape; I can hear the medals clinking already! Schwede 66 01:20, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
that after having been an unused alternate at the Tokyo Olympics, Maia Weintraub is now qualified for fencing at the Paris Olympics?That probably won't be seen as interesting enough. I'll deal with the other articles; thanks for your good work. Schwede 66 20:15, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
I don't know ... if I'll be able to do all the QPQs in time– maybe focus on QPQs for a wee while instead of writing further bios, BeanieFan11. Schwede 66 02:49, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Just a heads up that I've got a week of little available time coming up:
After that, things should be back to normal. Hence, it might be a good idea if others take the lead. Kingsif, you were asking whether there's something where you could help – here's your chance. Last time, Joseph2302 did a lot of good work – would you be interested to step up?
What needs doing? Here's a hopefully complete list:
If I think of anything else, I'll add that to the list. It's reasonably late in the process (the first competitions will start tomorrow) and all the structural issues are sorted. It just needs some low-level maintenance at this point. Schwede 66 23:05, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
On the "Approved" page, there is now a heading Olympics: Special occasion holding area.
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Alyssa Mendoza ( nom) | none | 30 July | Queue 7 | Assuming that she is still featherweight, the women's 57 kg boxing competition begins on 30 July with the round of 32. | published |
Andy Barat ( nom) | none | 30 July | Queue7 | Barat is going to compete in the men's slalom K-1, and that competition has its heats on 30 July. That's unfortunately the third article for this date. Before you promote to prep, please see the discussion above about combining this with the Alyssa Mendoza hook. | published |
Valentin Houinato ( nom) | none | 30 July | Queue7 | Nominated to DYK late in the process. Houinato is set to compete in the men's 81 kg judo event, with all competitions held on 30 July | published |
Shachar Sagiv ( nom) | none | 30 July | Queue7 | Men's triathlon is scheduled for 30 July starting at 8:00 | published |
Matthew Wright (triathlete) ( nom) | none | 30 July | Queue7 | Nominated to DYK late in the process. Wright is set to compete in the men's triathlon, which is scheduled for 30 July starting at 8:00. Is there an opportunity to combine the two triathletes in this set into one hook if both nominations get reviewed in time? | published |
Dylan Travis ( nom) | none | 31 July | Queue 1 | The first USA men's 3x3 game is on 30 July. Subsequent games are on 31 July, 1, 2, and 4 August if that date gets too crowded. | in queue |
2024 United States men's Olympic basketball team ( nom) | 28 July | 31 July | Queen1 | The U.S. team plays in the preliminary round on 28 and 31 July and on 3 August. We already have too many hooks for 28 July, so any of the other two options will work better. | in queue |
Marcedes Walker ( nom) | None | 1 August | Queue 2 | Walker is going to compete in the women's 3x3 basketball competition and they are playing a round robin round-robin tournament from 30 July to 3 August, playing every day. Hence, there's heaps of flexibility moving this hook around to suit. | in queue |
Warren Lawrence ( nom) | none | 1 August | Queue2 | Nominated to DYK late in the process. Lawrence is set to compete in the men's 50 metre freestyle event, with heats and semifinals on 1 August. | in queue |
Emily Ausmus ( nom) | none | 2 August | Prep 3 | Ausmus is competing in the women's water polo tournament in Group B, with preliminary round games held on 27, 29, and 31 July, and a game on 2 August. Any of those dates are suitable. | in prep |
Philippines at the 1924 Summer Olympics ( nom) | none | 2 August | Prep3 | One of the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hooks; can run on any day during the Olympics. We do have an image but it's of rather poor quality. | in prep |
2024 World Athletics Relays – Mixed 4 × 400 metres relay ( nom) | 2/3 August | 2 August | Prep3 | The mixed 4 × 400 metres relay is scheduled for 2 and 3 August 2024. [1] | in prep |
Filomenaleonisa Iakopo ( nom) | none | 3 August | Prep 4 | Iakopo is scheduled to compete in the women's 100 metres, with the preliminary round scheduled to be held on 3 August. | in prep |
Apsara Sakbun ( nom) | none | 3 August | Prep4 | Sakbun is going to compete in women's 50 metre freestyle swimming, with heats and semi-finals on 3 August. | in prep |
2022 European Athletics Championships – Women's 400 metres and 2022 European Athletics Championships – Women's 400 metres hurdles ( nom) | none | 4 August | Prep 5 | ![]() |
in prep |
Liechtenstein at the 1936 Summer Olympics ( nom) | none | 4 August | Prep5 | One of the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hooks; can run on any day during the Olympics | in prep |
Piper Kelly ( nom) | None | 5 August | Prep6 | Qualifications for women's speed climbing are on 5 Aug. | in prep |
Aniya Holder ( nom) | 5 August | 5 August | Prep6 | Qualifications for women's speed climbing are on 5 Aug. | in prep |
Suriname at the 1960 Summer Olympics ( nom) | none | Prep6 | One of the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hooks; can run on any day during the Olympics | in prep | |
Jenya Kazbekova ( nom) | 6/8 August | 6 August | Prep7 | Kazbekova is due to compete in women's combined sport climbing, with semifinals for the two competition elements (boulder and lead) split over two days: 6 & 8 August. Hence, this can run on either date. | in prep |
Zheng Haohao ( nom) | none | 6 August | Prep7 | Zheng is due to compete in women's park skateboarding on 6 Aug. | in prep |
Ruby Remati ( nom) | None | 7 August | Prep 1 | The team artistic swimming event will be held on 5, 6, and 7 August. The hook could run on any of those days. | In prep |
Mikaella Moshe ( nom) | None | Prep1 | In prep | ||
Emmanuella Atora ( nom) | 8 August | 8 August | Prep2 | Atora is due to compete in women's 57 kg taekwondo (assuming that she's still in this weight class). The competition is to be held on 8 August. | in prep |
1964 Summer Olympics medal table ( nom) | None | 8 August | At SOHA | ||
Manizha Talash ( nom) | none | 9 August | Breaking or breakdancing is a new sport. Who would have known. The competition for females is on 9 August. | At SOHA | |
Logan Edra ( nom) | none | 9 August | Here's our second female breakdancer. Any chance of combining the two hooks? | At SOHA | |
Gaku Akazawa ( nom) | none | 10 August | Akazawa is going to compete in the men's freestyle wrestling 65 kg, with the event scheduled to start on 10 August. | Under review | |
Alasan Ann ( nom) | none | 10 August | Ann is going to compete in the men's taekwondo +80 kg, with all events scheduled for 10 August. | At SOHA | |
Kennedy Blades ( nom) | none | 10 August | Blades is going to compete in the women's freestyle wrestling 76 kg, with the event scheduled to start on 10 August. | At SOHA | |
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@ Schwede66 I see you've recently taken to adding comments to hooks, as in Special:Diff/1235827214. I mentioned this earlier but that conversation got buried in the olympic mega-thread. So I'm bringing it up here for greater visibility.
I think this is a bad idea. And given that multiple other people (@ Pamzeis @ Art LaPella) have reverted these as either presumed accidents or vandalism, it would seem I'm not the only one. Can you please stop doing this? RoySmith (talk) 16:27, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
Guys, here's one possible approach; if you find a set with a problematic hook but don't have time to fix it, add a tick to the end of every hook you were able to verify, which will allow another admin to see which hooks have already been verified, saving time for everyone.You can find this in Archive 197. Later that month, Valereee started a separate discussion on this topic. You didn't object at those occasions, and it's been done every now and then by various admins. Why is this suddenly a problem? Why would it possibly not be helpful if you want to move a set to queue, knowing that you don't have to review nine articles, but some are already done? Schwede 66 01:22, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Making it easier to comment on questionable hooks is not attacking the root problem– that's not what I was trying to get at with my proposal. I suggest that we don't have enough admins promoting to queue because the task is too time-consuming. I need a two-hour block for that and for me, that is a show stopper. My thinking was that if you have time to check one, or several hooks, but not the whole set, that makes the task easier to spread over more editors, and the admin shortage may well diminish.
At SOHA; this hook has already had its admin checks done (by RoySmith)When did I do that? RoySmith (talk) 23:45, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
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... that some estimate that maintenance of existing software comprises up to nine times as much as creating it in the first place?
This hook does not make sense. What does it mean for maintenance to “comprise … as much as” creation? ꧁ Zanahary꧂ 15:04, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Hello, I would like to reopen the discussion regarding the hook proposed for the article above in DYK. The reason for the reopening is that I asked for a second reviewer (for the hook only) one day before the two month period expired, but my request went unnoticed. The reason for a second reviewer is that I think that the hook is perfectly acceptable, but the discussion went nowhere. Today I also asked for the opinion of another very experienced Wikipedian about this hook and he also doesn't see any problem. So a reopening and a third opinion would be welcome. Thanks, Alex2006 ( talk) 18:46, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Let's continue this
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The hook from Template:Did you know nominations/Embassy of the Philippines, Amman appears to fail WP:DYKBLP, but I could be wrong. Pinging nominator Sky Harbor and reviewer TheNuggeteer. SL93 ( talk) 23:12, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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@ Bruxton, Ergo Sum, and Sohom: substantial copying from press.vatican.va ( earwig report). It's not just the stuff that shows up in red in the report, but as you read through the text, it's obvious that this was just copied with a few words changed here and there. Needs a substantial rewrite, not just more minor sentence tweaks. RoySmith (talk) 14:29, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
@ SL93, Kimikel, and Lajmmoore: there's nothing wrong per-se, but the blow-my-socks-off story is that there was a German colony in Texas. As an American (albeit a neoyorquino), when I think of Texas history I think Mexican, and by extension Spanish. I was schocked to discover there was a German colony. If that could be emphasized more, it would make a much stronger hook. RoySmith (talk) 14:37, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
@ SL93, Arconning, and Flemmish Nietzsche: a particularly troublesome "first" hook. I'm willing to accept that the NFL or MLB keep detailed records which can back up these kinds of hooks, but a game played in the 1500s? The source, while nominally the Vatican newspaper, really looks like more of a blog, written in the first person ("He introduced me to many friends with whom I shared a passion for football"). I see lots of other mentions of this, but most don't give their source and those that do all point back to this one. RoySmith (talk) 14:45, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
seemingly negative opinions towards the advancement of sport involving women, especially women's gymnastics. It just needs a little tweaking to better tie that to the source. RoySmith (talk) 14:26, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
The hook is 212 prose characters long, well above the 200 character maximum. It needs to be shortened or a new hook proposed and checked. Pinging nominator Toadboy123, reviewer Soman, and promoter AirshipJungleman29. Thanks. BlueMoonset ( talk) 14:36, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
The previous list was archived several minutes ago, so I've created a new list of 36 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through July 7. We have a total of 253 nominations, of which 122 have been approved, a gap of 131 nominations that has decreased by 10 over the past 8 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!
More than one month old
Other nominations
Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! BlueMoonset ( talk) 14:50, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
has .. ... that at age 12, Emily Ausmus participated in an international water polo tournament against players seven years older than her?
I believe that "her" should be "she" or "she is." 2603:7000:2101:AA00:45CF:48FA:4F1F:A7EF ( talk) 06:17, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
Hello, this is regarding Template:Did you know nominations/Better Off Dead?, which I nominated on 7 June.
Long story short: the reviewer objected to ALT0 and ALT0a as bad, taking a quote out of context
. I requested a new review of the hooks; theleekycauldron responded to the call but said that while she supports it running, I should ask here instead as the reviewer did not drop their objection. I'm therefore here in hopes of garnering a consensus for the hooks running
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Ravenpuff made the following modifications: ... that Cameroonian-born
Joel Embiid opted to play for the
[2] As the 2024 Olympics is ongoing, does "2024" need to be explicit, or can it be reasonably implied by the in "the U.S. Olympic basketball team"?—
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the2024 U.S. Olympic basketball team instead of France in part because his son is American?
I am here to request that Template:Did you know nominations/Babydog be given an exemption to the rule on being new enough, as the page was undergoing an AFD discussion after it was created. The nominator, User:Thriley, still needs to do a Quid Pro Quo review, but once that's done I would like the page to have a chance. I think that this is a case where WP:IAR is probably safe to invoke. Di (they-them) ( talk) 19:53, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
@ AbhiSuryawanshi, Awkwafaba, and JuniperChill: There is a sentence that needs a citation, which I have indicated with a cn tag. Z1720 ( talk) 15:26, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
Please see Template:Did you know nominations/Christopher Columbus (Zador). When I originally worked on this the special occasion date hadn't occurred to me. It wasn't until I got around to nominating it that I realized that the 85th anniversary of the opera was this year, and that it would also work for a Columbus Day hook. We are currently 10 to 11 weeks away from those dates. Any objections to running this for a special occasion even though it is about a month early for the 6 week window period? 4meter4 ( talk) 17:25, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
DYK: "... that though Donatello was a Bardi, he wasn't a Bardi?"
I have no idea where the links are going to go before I click them.
Rollinginhisgrave ( talk) 09:36, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
This hook was run yesterday. I logged a bunch of issues at WP:ERRORS but it scrolled off before they were resolved. They included:
My impression is that this didn't go well because the source wasn't clearly identified, was behind a paywall and wasn't quoted. Note that the nomination was professional paid work and so one would expect a high standard. So it goes...
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This is another blatant weasel – who estimates this? And it's obviously not a " definite fact which is unlikely to change" as there are a range of estimates. The hook discussion started with the figure of "three times" and it appears that such estimates are unreliable because the article repeatedly says that the topic has not been well-studied. Other issues include:
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"This hook doesn't work. Even if we assume that the book source is correct (which I can't check)..."So, right there we see the problem of being unable to access the source upon which the hook depended. You can't conduct a sensible discussion if you can't see the details. Relevant quotations should be mandatory in such cases.
how does the tomorrow view deal with DYK when the hook sets only last for 12 hours?If I had my druthers, we would take the whole idea of 12-hour updates and nuke it from orbit. It is antithetical to improving quality. Anybody can shovel manure twice as fast, but I'm not willing to play that game.
@ DYK admins: Queue 1 is missing the {{ DYKbotdo}}. Rather than attempt to fix it myself and possibly make it worse, could somebody who understands these page formats better than I do please take a look? Thanks. RoySmith (talk) 16:36, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
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@ Launchballer, @ Dxneo, @ Arconning, @ AirshipJungleman29: The three-day delay does not seem all that interesting or hooky to me, and distracts from the main point of interest, which is Eminiem killing off Slim Shady. I see from the nom that there were DYKFICTION concerns, but I don't think adding an unrelated fact about a short delay as a fig leaf makes a difference in that respect, as the Slim Shady element is still the part of the hook that anybody cares about. (If the hook was "that the music video for " Tobey" was delayed by three days", are you interested? No.)
Personally, I'm inclined to say that there's not a DYKFICTION issue. Eminem is a real person, and Slim Shady is an alter ego that he uses in real life, so we're clearly tied into "the real world in some way". The point isn't that a fictional character got killed, the point is that Eminem is metaphorically leaving his childish persona behind to (theoretically) mature as an artist.
Would anybody object to a reword to something like:
♠ PMC♠ (talk) 05:24, 30 July 2024 (UTC)