This page serves to coordinate the various discussions taking place throughout the Christianity-related project talkpages. Even though , there are numerous Christianity-related projects, with many different conversations going on at the same time. This Noticeboard hopes to achieve some kind of order in keeping track of the various goings-on. You are welcome to add to the
discussion.
Fails
WP:NLIST with no evidence that reliable, secondary, independent sources discuss Australian female Anglican bishops as a group versus discussing them individually. (The sources listed under "Further Reading" describe the experiences or cover women clergy more generally or all women Anglican clergy in Australia, not just bishops. The one exception, a book by
Muriel Porter is not an independent source, as Porter is an elected member of the Anglican Church's governing synod and described in her Wikipedia article as an "advocate" who is "active in campaigning" for women's ordination in the church.) Meanwhile, the page fails
WP:NOPAGE as a
WP:CONTENTFORK of
List of female Anglican bishops.
Dclemens1971 (
talk)
17:20, 6 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep: I disagree with most of the points you make as reasons for deletion. For example I don't think there needs to be one source dedicated to just female Anglican bishops in Australia, but a source can cover bishops in the Anglican communion generally as well as other clergy. The only point I can see as valid is that the list could be seen as a content fork of
List of female Anglican bishops. I admit I only saw that other list after I created this one. In the case of it needing to be merged I think it would have been better to message me or put something on the Talk page about merging rather than marking it for deletion. I have marked this comment as Keep for now only to see if other editors want to comment. However if there is enough support to merge List of women bishops with List of female Anglican bishops... I am happy to do that and I will then continue to update the List of female bishops with the Australian ones because that is one of my areas of focus on wikipedia.
LPascal (
talk)
05:42, 7 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Extra comment: In case I am asked to find more sources on women bishops, I'm sure I could find one here on this list but I don't have time to do that just now
https://search.worldcat.org/lists/1b9e2384-b013-48e0-b45b-911ee8d3ca3f And I think it would be impractical to expect to find a source who was a journalist or historian writing about the Anglican church who was not in some way connected to the church. If anyone writes about ordained women in the Anglican church it is usually because they are for or against and rarely are they "independent".
LPascal (
talk)
05:51, 7 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Redirect to
List of stations owned by Innovate Corp.: Like with far too many other HC2/Innovate stations, it's been nothing but national services and no
significant coverage (nor the real prospect of any) in the station's 25-30 year history. (The various secular channels that HC2/Innovate has added since taking over from 3ABN ownership are enough to tip me in that direction for the all-that's-needed-here {{R to list entry}}.) WCQuidditch☎✎04:33, 4 July 2024 (UTC)reply
There are only two sources backing this article: the first one is not to be found, while the second one refers to
St. Silas instead. I suspect this person to be fictitious, and the article possibly a prank.
Lone-078 (
talk)
18:39, 3 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete I'm not finding anything, and there is evidence of a hoax - some versions of the article have the same content but list different names and places (e.g. a Frenchman based at Arles).
Lamona (
talk)
03:48, 5 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment: I would urge anyone who comments in this discussion to look on the talk page from (one of) the subjects of the article.
GnocchiFan (
talk)
16:48, 19 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep: I think that Marziyeh Amirizadeh is too notable to delete. Maryam Rostampour is arguably notable as well, despite the fact that Marziyeh Amirizadeh is the only one of the two with continuing coverage. Eastmain (
talk •
contribs)01:15, 19 June 2024 (UTC)reply
If agreement is that there is enough information to split, I think this is a good idea. Otherwise, I think that Marziyeh Amirizadeh's name be removed from this article per request and this article moved to
Maryam Rostamour-Keller per your suggestion.
GnocchiFan (
talk)
22:00, 20 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Split I think it is reasonable to have this specific article deleted. However, I would be open to the thought of having a separate article for Maryam Rostampour if she is notable enough. Marziyeh Amirizadeh on the surface level appears to be a notable figure (I have not done much research into her life though), so I would be more comfortable with having a separate article for her.
❤HistoryTheorist❤18:35, 19 June 2024 (UTC)reply
A person claiming to be one of the subjects of the article requested that it be deleted because they don't want to be associated with the other person? The title is probably inappropriate and would be more appropriate as something else but this does appear to be a notable event.
Traumnovelle (
talk)
22:11, 24 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Note that the editor claiming to be the subject says on the talk page that she paid $300 to have her Wikipedia article written. Is this the current draft, created by an editor who has edited no other topic?
PamD22:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)reply
This page serves to coordinate the various discussions taking place throughout the Christianity-related project talkpages. Even though , there are numerous Christianity-related projects, with many different conversations going on at the same time. This Noticeboard hopes to achieve some kind of order in keeping track of the various goings-on. You are welcome to add to the
discussion.
Fails
WP:NLIST with no evidence that reliable, secondary, independent sources discuss Australian female Anglican bishops as a group versus discussing them individually. (The sources listed under "Further Reading" describe the experiences or cover women clergy more generally or all women Anglican clergy in Australia, not just bishops. The one exception, a book by
Muriel Porter is not an independent source, as Porter is an elected member of the Anglican Church's governing synod and described in her Wikipedia article as an "advocate" who is "active in campaigning" for women's ordination in the church.) Meanwhile, the page fails
WP:NOPAGE as a
WP:CONTENTFORK of
List of female Anglican bishops.
Dclemens1971 (
talk)
17:20, 6 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep: I disagree with most of the points you make as reasons for deletion. For example I don't think there needs to be one source dedicated to just female Anglican bishops in Australia, but a source can cover bishops in the Anglican communion generally as well as other clergy. The only point I can see as valid is that the list could be seen as a content fork of
List of female Anglican bishops. I admit I only saw that other list after I created this one. In the case of it needing to be merged I think it would have been better to message me or put something on the Talk page about merging rather than marking it for deletion. I have marked this comment as Keep for now only to see if other editors want to comment. However if there is enough support to merge List of women bishops with List of female Anglican bishops... I am happy to do that and I will then continue to update the List of female bishops with the Australian ones because that is one of my areas of focus on wikipedia.
LPascal (
talk)
05:42, 7 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Extra comment: In case I am asked to find more sources on women bishops, I'm sure I could find one here on this list but I don't have time to do that just now
https://search.worldcat.org/lists/1b9e2384-b013-48e0-b45b-911ee8d3ca3f And I think it would be impractical to expect to find a source who was a journalist or historian writing about the Anglican church who was not in some way connected to the church. If anyone writes about ordained women in the Anglican church it is usually because they are for or against and rarely are they "independent".
LPascal (
talk)
05:51, 7 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Redirect to
List of stations owned by Innovate Corp.: Like with far too many other HC2/Innovate stations, it's been nothing but national services and no
significant coverage (nor the real prospect of any) in the station's 25-30 year history. (The various secular channels that HC2/Innovate has added since taking over from 3ABN ownership are enough to tip me in that direction for the all-that's-needed-here {{R to list entry}}.) WCQuidditch☎✎04:33, 4 July 2024 (UTC)reply
There are only two sources backing this article: the first one is not to be found, while the second one refers to
St. Silas instead. I suspect this person to be fictitious, and the article possibly a prank.
Lone-078 (
talk)
18:39, 3 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete I'm not finding anything, and there is evidence of a hoax - some versions of the article have the same content but list different names and places (e.g. a Frenchman based at Arles).
Lamona (
talk)
03:48, 5 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment: I would urge anyone who comments in this discussion to look on the talk page from (one of) the subjects of the article.
GnocchiFan (
talk)
16:48, 19 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep: I think that Marziyeh Amirizadeh is too notable to delete. Maryam Rostampour is arguably notable as well, despite the fact that Marziyeh Amirizadeh is the only one of the two with continuing coverage. Eastmain (
talk •
contribs)01:15, 19 June 2024 (UTC)reply
If agreement is that there is enough information to split, I think this is a good idea. Otherwise, I think that Marziyeh Amirizadeh's name be removed from this article per request and this article moved to
Maryam Rostamour-Keller per your suggestion.
GnocchiFan (
talk)
22:00, 20 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Split I think it is reasonable to have this specific article deleted. However, I would be open to the thought of having a separate article for Maryam Rostampour if she is notable enough. Marziyeh Amirizadeh on the surface level appears to be a notable figure (I have not done much research into her life though), so I would be more comfortable with having a separate article for her.
❤HistoryTheorist❤18:35, 19 June 2024 (UTC)reply
A person claiming to be one of the subjects of the article requested that it be deleted because they don't want to be associated with the other person? The title is probably inappropriate and would be more appropriate as something else but this does appear to be a notable event.
Traumnovelle (
talk)
22:11, 24 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Note that the editor claiming to be the subject says on the talk page that she paid $300 to have her Wikipedia article written. Is this the current draft, created by an editor who has edited no other topic?
PamD22:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)reply