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Merge per nom. My guess is that the distinction refers to demolished versus repurposed, but even if so I agree they can be merged.
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Works about same-sex sexuality
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Reasons I believe this should be renamed at least: the term is imprecise and isn't widely used, different from "same-sex attraction" or "same-sex marriage". It's also
cisnormative. Could it be named same-gender? I'm not sure. --
MikutoHtalk! 23:21, 29 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Though I believe it's grouping non-gender LGBT identities, but it's also separating transgender from LGBT sexual orientations in
Category:Works about LGBT topics. --
MikutoHtalk! 23:23, 29 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose It was the wrong choice to "split"/merge the parent category too.
★Trekker (
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Question. What is the alternative proposal? I really don't understand what the nominator is hoping to accomplish with the merge/rename without a target or proposal.
Mason (
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I am assuming that the intended merge target is the LGBT parent category, but it would be helpful if
User:MikutoH would add this to the nomination explicitly.
Marcocapelle (
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I meant upmerging (that's still a new word for me). MassCFD didn't provide an option to where I wanted to merge for me. So "Works about LGBT topics" for "Works about same-sex sexuality", or more if needed. --
MikutoHtalk! 23:47, 30 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose completely unnecessary, and to be honest somewhat offensive. "Same-sex sexuality" and "LGBT topics" are not synonyms. Homosexuality, bisexuality and being transgender aren't all the same thing. The rationale It's also cisnormative doesn't really apply either, all four terms in the acronym LGBT are cisnormative.
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Nominator's rationale: This category contains only the main subject and one other article. The subject is rather niche anyway. It is very unlikely that it will ever contain more.
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Category:User cu-N
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Babel category duplicates
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Oppose deleting "nrf": this is the ONLY correct language code for Norman (some Wikimedia wikis has used "nrm" for Norman, but they are wrong as this code is for a completely unrelated Asian language: Narom; this is wa wellknown historic error made by Wikimedia that forgot to check valid codes in ISO 639 or IANA databases; if it was created today, using "nrm" for Norman would be rejected, "nrf" is assigned since years in ISO 639). "NRM" is already marked has need migration to "NRF" to leave the place for Narom. Wikidata rejects the use of "nrm" for Norman in its data (it is still accepted only in interwiki links to existing Norman Wikipedia, as long as it is not fully renamed). The description of the category is perfectly correct: these are NOT at all the same language. In the mean time, Narom users should be able to contribute and speak about their language, even if for now they cannot have their own localized wiki, so they have to use some other projects spaces in other localized wikis or international wikis, for example in Wiktionary and Wikidata where their vocabulary is being fed already with "nrm". In HTML/SVG/XML markup the lang attribute used is already "nrf" for Norman. In Wiktionary editions, and in Wikidata, Norman terms are tagged and indexed with "nrf", not ""nrm". Do not confuse legacy Wikimedia interwiki codes (which are bound to Internet subdomain names, without being restricted to use only one language or script, even if there's a default language or script) with standard language codes for identifying any contents.
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The proposal is not to delete nrf, so it is no use opposing that. The proposal is to move Norman-speaking entries from nrm to nrf.
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Category:User mul
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Delete, entirely redundant, Wikipedians who speak multiple languages can indicate the level of the various languages they speak.
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Category:Schools in the Garden State Association of Christian Schools
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Category:Jewish summer camps in Michigan
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Category:LGBT non-profit organizations in Canada
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Nominator's rationale: Isolated category upmerge for now (probably for ever). non-profit organizations in Canada doesn't exist as a category and neither does LGBT non-profit organizations.
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Nominator's rationale:WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN. Recent precedents have favoured (up)merging to "Military history of X", but such a category does not yet exist for Île-de-France, so we might as well rename this one.
NLeeuw (
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I fully intend to do a follow-up of the remaning children of
Category:Battles by location in France, as I am currently doing for
Category:Battles by location in Germany. I just picked this one as it also has subcategories, as a probe to confirm recent precedents and to prepare for that follow-up to be relatively uncontroversial and broadly supported.
NLeeuw (
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@
HouseBlaster, No, you'd be doing a great favour, merci monsieur!
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Nominator's rationale (additional nominees):WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN. Recent precedents have favoured (up)merging to "Military history of X", unless such a category does not yet exist, in which case they are proposed to be renamed to "Military history of X" instead.
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 24#Battles by location in Germany is a closely connected discussion which has already put this into practice.
Merge per nomination. This was the same side. Where is the dividing line drawn? If 1995, as I suspect, that is entirely arbitrary, there was
Super 10 (rugby union) and
Super 6 Rugby which were predecessor competitions run on exactly the same lines as early Super Rugby. All players at the Waratahs now, as pre-95, have a theoretical club side in the Shute Shield they can play for when not selected.
Skeene88 (
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Keep This seems to be a split for players who played pre-professionalism for New South Wales, and then who played Super Rugby for the Waratahs. While the naming probably isn't perfect, I see the split as being suitable to differentiate between those who played the the New South Wales region, and those who played for the team.
Rugbyfan22 (
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Its still the same team @
Rugbyfan22: because it seems the Waratah's name was adopted in
the 1920's. Just because they turned pro, doesn't mean they stopped being the same side. Rugby was not invented in 1995, the lineage is the same and should be maintained. This is essentially a duplicate category. The C of E God Save the King! (
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Merge and listify, I imagine readers would be interested in the players of the pre-1995 era so that seems the easiest way (maybe with a minimum appearance threshold if stats are adequately held to facilitate that?); for the Category, does seem to be a continuous entity so only one cat needed.
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Newspapers published in Western Australia by region
There are also four other regions (the Gascoyne, Great Southern, Kimberley and Perth metropolitan regions) without categories at present, but I plan to work on articles for as many of Australia's newspapers as I can so I expect these categories to be necessary at some point. The only reason for this nomination is for consistency amongst sub-category names, so I wouldn't be opposed to another naming scheme. This one just makes the most sense to me.
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There are currently 381 Western Australian newspapers listed on
Trove alone. Not all of them have articles, and not all of them will be notable enough for their own articles, but I believe a significant portion will be. You haven't really given a rationale for why these categories should all be merged or why Perth should be a standout, just "there is no reason for diffusion". I think it helps readers navigate what could become quite a large category.
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I don't think Perth should be a standout. My point is that only if there would be as much content in every category as in Perth's category it would be worthwhile to diffuse. But that is not the case. The current microcategories are merely a hindrance for easy navigation between related articles.
Marcocapelle (
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strong objection to most of this discussions assumptions. As creator of the microcategories in discussion here, they were created in the presumption that the project of the National Library and ALIA to support each state library system to improve content about Australian newspapers state by state to help create content for material in
Trove would be something that would be expanded upon regularly. The result in other states is highly variable in quality and organisation - in the Western Australian content there was a library employee who edited on WA content, and there was every hope that there would be followed on editing for more newspapers for each region than is being discussed here. The subsequent lack of followon editing is a case throughout wikipedia, this is not an orphan. I believe how sensible Adam might think he is in wanting to qualify the regional title, or Marco in being a category worker extraordinaire (and that should be noted is much appreciated ), the lack of background always astounds me here at CFD. I think that for the purposes of what the original project had intended, will be made much more of a hell of a mess and difficult to navigate the regional distinctions of western australian geographical range, and how it also affects understanding of the original reasons for the regional separation. As a consequence, I strongly object to reducing to one category, as it interferes with a project that would have increased valid items for each subcategory. As for the renaming - it is paradoxical, in view of many australian places have qualifier state names, whereas here there is no need.
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Category:West London Synagogue
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Nominator's rationale:Delete. Only has people who are affiliated with the Synagogue. I guess it would fall under
WP:NONDEF.
Omnis Scientia (
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I suggest it be renamed as People associated with West London Synagogue. 10:27, 29 May 2024 (UTC) — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
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Delete per nomination and
Marcocapelle. Categorising every individual by the religious buildings they're associated with would be incredibly tedious, as well as needless overcategorisation.
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Category:Battles involving the East Frisians
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Ok, there was an East Frisian polity since 1465, so the
Appeal War and the
Saxon feud would belong there. But it is not very useful to keep a category for two articles.
Marcocapelle (
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True. But I think saying the "East Frisians" as a "people" were involved in these battles is misleading. We could resolve this in several ways, such as populating the category, but I couldn't really find much.
Emden Revolution,
Battle of Jemmingen (didn't involve East Frisia, just took place in its territory), and
Stedinger Crusade (but it is arbitrary to consider the Stedingers "Frisians"; it is not commonly counted amongst
East Frisia today or in the past.
Prefer alt2, not all battles are clearly in a former East Frisia state and nom already made clear why alt1 is not a good idea.
Marcocapelle (
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Agreed. I'm glad you opposed my speedy, because alt2 will lead to a much better, tenable outcome.
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Welcome back William!
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Category:British writers by ethnic or national origin
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Support per nom. Jewish subcategories may always be under both "by religion" and "by ethnicity" parents if they exist.
Marcocapelle (
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Rename — again, an awful lot of these would be better deleted. William Allen Simpson (
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Category:Canadian writers by ethnic or national origin
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Rename — again, an awful lot of these would be better deleted. William Allen Simpson (
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Politicians by ethnic or national origin
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Rename per nom.
NLeeuw (
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Rename — to eliminate "ethnic" "origin". Although, an awful lot of these would be better deleted. William Allen Simpson (
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Category:Wars involving Frisia
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Nominator's rationale:rename per actual content, in many of these wars there wasn't a clear Frisia state.
Marcocapelle (
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Neutral I'm not convinced the status quo nor the proposal are very tenable. I neither favour nor oppose.
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Category:Assorted Jelly Beans albums
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Nominator's rationale: Both entries are redirects. The band is also a redirect, and doesn't appear to be notable.
QuietHere (
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Delete, unhelpful for navigation.
Marcocapelle (
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Delete per nom. No useful information provided in target; no aid in navigation. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 02:34, 30 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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Category:Gonanes
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Migrant to the Ottoman Empire people from British India
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Nominator's rationale: option A: merge, three categories for only one article is not helpful for navigation. Option B:delete, the article is already in
Category:Emigrants from British India and
Category:Immigrants to the Ottoman Empire which seems to suffice. For a citizen of the Ottoman Empire it is irrelevant which specific Indian ethnicities all of his ancestors had.
Marcocapelle (
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I would support either merge or delete, because these categories are very much not helpful for navigation.
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If nobody else reacts, I would prefer option B over option A. Note again that this is just about a single article.
Marcocapelle (
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Delete all (thus option B) per nom. --
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Category:Centro de Estudios Puertorriqueños faculty
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This is an institute
Centro de Estudios Puertorriqueños within Hunter college. This category is too small to be helpful with navigation right now.
Mason (
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Keep, the upper-level category of City University of New York faculty is for a system of colleges and institutes, and the articles in it should be diffused into the appropriate subcats for each of the different colleges within the system in the same way as categories are done for other university systems. Ideally, all of the articles in the CUNY faculty cat would be diffused into subcats of the different colleges or institutes. Additionally, from what I understand, the centro is housed at Hunter College, but is a separate institute within the CUNY system. Semper Fi
FieldMarine (
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Merge per nom. No objection to diffusion as such, as long as it colleges are big enough to contain lots of articles, but that does not seem to be the case here.
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Category:Sugar
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Nominator's rationale: They are too similar
MRTFR55 (
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The names are too similar, ok, but the content isn't. It is clearly a topic category versus a set category. However,
Category:Sugars may be renamed e.g. to
Category:Types of sugar in order to clarify its purpose.
Marcocapelle (
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I agree they are different categories, and
Category:Sugar is consistent with the main article.
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As creator, support rename of
Category:Sugars to
Category:Types of sugar. Don't forget to fix the commonscat, as that remains Sugars. It is very sad that folks misunderstand the difference between topic and set categories. William Allen Simpson (
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Category:Japanese-language-only video games
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Nominator's rationale: There is only a single article in this category, first things first. Second things second, literally every single video game that's only available in the Japanese language is already located in the pre-existing category Japan-exclusive video games. You see, Japan really only speak Japanese and not much else.
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Category:Analysts of Ayodhya dispute
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Nominator's rationale: Alternative name sounds more consistent with other categories in Scholars and academics by subject
Mason (
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Support - as the page creator. I have no objection. --
Kautilya3 (
talk) 04:30, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete in the spirit of
WP:PERFCAT, this is just one of many topics that the subjects in this category were involved. No objection to listification.
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FWIW: I was on the fence between deletion and renaming when I made the nom. My hope was that other folks who have strong opinions/knowledge.
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Delete — I'm not sure where any listification would be placed. William Allen Simpson (
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Category:Meal planning apps
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Delete per nom, it might not contain any more articles
QuantumFoam66 (
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Delete per nom, not helpful for navigation.
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Delete for now without prejudice.
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Merge per nom. My guess is that the distinction refers to demolished versus repurposed, but even if so I agree they can be merged.
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Works about same-sex sexuality
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Reasons I believe this should be renamed at least: the term is imprecise and isn't widely used, different from "same-sex attraction" or "same-sex marriage". It's also
cisnormative. Could it be named same-gender? I'm not sure. --
MikutoHtalk! 23:21, 29 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Though I believe it's grouping non-gender LGBT identities, but it's also separating transgender from LGBT sexual orientations in
Category:Works about LGBT topics. --
MikutoHtalk! 23:23, 29 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose It was the wrong choice to "split"/merge the parent category too.
★Trekker (
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Question. What is the alternative proposal? I really don't understand what the nominator is hoping to accomplish with the merge/rename without a target or proposal.
Mason (
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I am assuming that the intended merge target is the LGBT parent category, but it would be helpful if
User:MikutoH would add this to the nomination explicitly.
Marcocapelle (
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I meant upmerging (that's still a new word for me). MassCFD didn't provide an option to where I wanted to merge for me. So "Works about LGBT topics" for "Works about same-sex sexuality", or more if needed. --
MikutoHtalk! 23:47, 30 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose completely unnecessary, and to be honest somewhat offensive. "Same-sex sexuality" and "LGBT topics" are not synonyms. Homosexuality, bisexuality and being transgender aren't all the same thing. The rationale It's also cisnormative doesn't really apply either, all four terms in the acronym LGBT are cisnormative.
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Nominator's rationale: This category contains only the main subject and one other article. The subject is rather niche anyway. It is very unlikely that it will ever contain more.
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Category:User cu-N
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Babel category duplicates
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Oppose deleting "nrf": this is the ONLY correct language code for Norman (some Wikimedia wikis has used "nrm" for Norman, but they are wrong as this code is for a completely unrelated Asian language: Narom; this is wa wellknown historic error made by Wikimedia that forgot to check valid codes in ISO 639 or IANA databases; if it was created today, using "nrm" for Norman would be rejected, "nrf" is assigned since years in ISO 639). "NRM" is already marked has need migration to "NRF" to leave the place for Narom. Wikidata rejects the use of "nrm" for Norman in its data (it is still accepted only in interwiki links to existing Norman Wikipedia, as long as it is not fully renamed). The description of the category is perfectly correct: these are NOT at all the same language. In the mean time, Narom users should be able to contribute and speak about their language, even if for now they cannot have their own localized wiki, so they have to use some other projects spaces in other localized wikis or international wikis, for example in Wiktionary and Wikidata where their vocabulary is being fed already with "nrm". In HTML/SVG/XML markup the lang attribute used is already "nrf" for Norman. In Wiktionary editions, and in Wikidata, Norman terms are tagged and indexed with "nrf", not ""nrm". Do not confuse legacy Wikimedia interwiki codes (which are bound to Internet subdomain names, without being restricted to use only one language or script, even if there's a default language or script) with standard language codes for identifying any contents.
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The proposal is not to delete nrf, so it is no use opposing that. The proposal is to move Norman-speaking entries from nrm to nrf.
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Delete, entirely redundant, Wikipedians who speak multiple languages can indicate the level of the various languages they speak.
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Category:Schools in the Garden State Association of Christian Schools
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Category:Jewish summer camps in Michigan
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Category:LGBT non-profit organizations in Canada
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Nominator's rationale: Isolated category upmerge for now (probably for ever). non-profit organizations in Canada doesn't exist as a category and neither does LGBT non-profit organizations.
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Nominator's rationale:WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN. Recent precedents have favoured (up)merging to "Military history of X", but such a category does not yet exist for Île-de-France, so we might as well rename this one.
NLeeuw (
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I fully intend to do a follow-up of the remaning children of
Category:Battles by location in France, as I am currently doing for
Category:Battles by location in Germany. I just picked this one as it also has subcategories, as a probe to confirm recent precedents and to prepare for that follow-up to be relatively uncontroversial and broadly supported.
NLeeuw (
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@
HouseBlaster, No, you'd be doing a great favour, merci monsieur!
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Nominator's rationale (additional nominees):WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN. Recent precedents have favoured (up)merging to "Military history of X", unless such a category does not yet exist, in which case they are proposed to be renamed to "Military history of X" instead.
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 24#Battles by location in Germany is a closely connected discussion which has already put this into practice.
Merge per nomination. This was the same side. Where is the dividing line drawn? If 1995, as I suspect, that is entirely arbitrary, there was
Super 10 (rugby union) and
Super 6 Rugby which were predecessor competitions run on exactly the same lines as early Super Rugby. All players at the Waratahs now, as pre-95, have a theoretical club side in the Shute Shield they can play for when not selected.
Skeene88 (
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Keep This seems to be a split for players who played pre-professionalism for New South Wales, and then who played Super Rugby for the Waratahs. While the naming probably isn't perfect, I see the split as being suitable to differentiate between those who played the the New South Wales region, and those who played for the team.
Rugbyfan22 (
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Its still the same team @
Rugbyfan22: because it seems the Waratah's name was adopted in
the 1920's. Just because they turned pro, doesn't mean they stopped being the same side. Rugby was not invented in 1995, the lineage is the same and should be maintained. This is essentially a duplicate category. The C of E God Save the King! (
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Merge and listify, I imagine readers would be interested in the players of the pre-1995 era so that seems the easiest way (maybe with a minimum appearance threshold if stats are adequately held to facilitate that?); for the Category, does seem to be a continuous entity so only one cat needed.
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Newspapers published in Western Australia by region
There are also four other regions (the Gascoyne, Great Southern, Kimberley and Perth metropolitan regions) without categories at present, but I plan to work on articles for as many of Australia's newspapers as I can so I expect these categories to be necessary at some point. The only reason for this nomination is for consistency amongst sub-category names, so I wouldn't be opposed to another naming scheme. This one just makes the most sense to me.
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There are currently 381 Western Australian newspapers listed on
Trove alone. Not all of them have articles, and not all of them will be notable enough for their own articles, but I believe a significant portion will be. You haven't really given a rationale for why these categories should all be merged or why Perth should be a standout, just "there is no reason for diffusion". I think it helps readers navigate what could become quite a large category.
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I don't think Perth should be a standout. My point is that only if there would be as much content in every category as in Perth's category it would be worthwhile to diffuse. But that is not the case. The current microcategories are merely a hindrance for easy navigation between related articles.
Marcocapelle (
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strong objection to most of this discussions assumptions. As creator of the microcategories in discussion here, they were created in the presumption that the project of the National Library and ALIA to support each state library system to improve content about Australian newspapers state by state to help create content for material in
Trove would be something that would be expanded upon regularly. The result in other states is highly variable in quality and organisation - in the Western Australian content there was a library employee who edited on WA content, and there was every hope that there would be followed on editing for more newspapers for each region than is being discussed here. The subsequent lack of followon editing is a case throughout wikipedia, this is not an orphan. I believe how sensible Adam might think he is in wanting to qualify the regional title, or Marco in being a category worker extraordinaire (and that should be noted is much appreciated ), the lack of background always astounds me here at CFD. I think that for the purposes of what the original project had intended, will be made much more of a hell of a mess and difficult to navigate the regional distinctions of western australian geographical range, and how it also affects understanding of the original reasons for the regional separation. As a consequence, I strongly object to reducing to one category, as it interferes with a project that would have increased valid items for each subcategory. As for the renaming - it is paradoxical, in view of many australian places have qualifier state names, whereas here there is no need.
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Category:West London Synagogue
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Nominator's rationale:Delete. Only has people who are affiliated with the Synagogue. I guess it would fall under
WP:NONDEF.
Omnis Scientia (
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I suggest it be renamed as People associated with West London Synagogue. 10:27, 29 May 2024 (UTC) — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
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Delete per nomination and
Marcocapelle. Categorising every individual by the religious buildings they're associated with would be incredibly tedious, as well as needless overcategorisation.
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Category:Battles involving the East Frisians
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Ok, there was an East Frisian polity since 1465, so the
Appeal War and the
Saxon feud would belong there. But it is not very useful to keep a category for two articles.
Marcocapelle (
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True. But I think saying the "East Frisians" as a "people" were involved in these battles is misleading. We could resolve this in several ways, such as populating the category, but I couldn't really find much.
Emden Revolution,
Battle of Jemmingen (didn't involve East Frisia, just took place in its territory), and
Stedinger Crusade (but it is arbitrary to consider the Stedingers "Frisians"; it is not commonly counted amongst
East Frisia today or in the past.
Prefer alt2, not all battles are clearly in a former East Frisia state and nom already made clear why alt1 is not a good idea.
Marcocapelle (
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Agreed. I'm glad you opposed my speedy, because alt2 will lead to a much better, tenable outcome.
NLeeuw (
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Welcome back William!
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Category:British writers by ethnic or national origin
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Support per nom. Jewish subcategories may always be under both "by religion" and "by ethnicity" parents if they exist.
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Rename — again, an awful lot of these would be better deleted. William Allen Simpson (
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Category:Canadian writers by ethnic or national origin
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Rename — again, an awful lot of these would be better deleted. William Allen Simpson (
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Politicians by ethnic or national origin
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Rename per nom.
NLeeuw (
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Rename — to eliminate "ethnic" "origin". Although, an awful lot of these would be better deleted. William Allen Simpson (
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Category:Wars involving Frisia
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Nominator's rationale:rename per actual content, in many of these wars there wasn't a clear Frisia state.
Marcocapelle (
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Neutral I'm not convinced the status quo nor the proposal are very tenable. I neither favour nor oppose.
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Category:Assorted Jelly Beans albums
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Nominator's rationale: Both entries are redirects. The band is also a redirect, and doesn't appear to be notable.
QuietHere (
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Delete, unhelpful for navigation.
Marcocapelle (
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Delete per nom. No useful information provided in target; no aid in navigation. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 02:34, 30 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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Migrant to the Ottoman Empire people from British India
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Nominator's rationale: option A: merge, three categories for only one article is not helpful for navigation. Option B:delete, the article is already in
Category:Emigrants from British India and
Category:Immigrants to the Ottoman Empire which seems to suffice. For a citizen of the Ottoman Empire it is irrelevant which specific Indian ethnicities all of his ancestors had.
Marcocapelle (
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I would support either merge or delete, because these categories are very much not helpful for navigation.
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If nobody else reacts, I would prefer option B over option A. Note again that this is just about a single article.
Marcocapelle (
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Delete all (thus option B) per nom. --
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Category:Centro de Estudios Puertorriqueños faculty
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This is an institute
Centro de Estudios Puertorriqueños within Hunter college. This category is too small to be helpful with navigation right now.
Mason (
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Keep, the upper-level category of City University of New York faculty is for a system of colleges and institutes, and the articles in it should be diffused into the appropriate subcats for each of the different colleges within the system in the same way as categories are done for other university systems. Ideally, all of the articles in the CUNY faculty cat would be diffused into subcats of the different colleges or institutes. Additionally, from what I understand, the centro is housed at Hunter College, but is a separate institute within the CUNY system. Semper Fi
FieldMarine (
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Merge per nom. No objection to diffusion as such, as long as it colleges are big enough to contain lots of articles, but that does not seem to be the case here.
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Category:Sugar
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Nominator's rationale: They are too similar
MRTFR55 (
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The names are too similar, ok, but the content isn't. It is clearly a topic category versus a set category. However,
Category:Sugars may be renamed e.g. to
Category:Types of sugar in order to clarify its purpose.
Marcocapelle (
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I agree they are different categories, and
Category:Sugar is consistent with the main article.
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As creator, support rename of
Category:Sugars to
Category:Types of sugar. Don't forget to fix the commonscat, as that remains Sugars. It is very sad that folks misunderstand the difference between topic and set categories. William Allen Simpson (
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Category:Japanese-language-only video games
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Nominator's rationale: There is only a single article in this category, first things first. Second things second, literally every single video game that's only available in the Japanese language is already located in the pre-existing category Japan-exclusive video games. You see, Japan really only speak Japanese and not much else.
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Category:Analysts of Ayodhya dispute
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Nominator's rationale: Alternative name sounds more consistent with other categories in Scholars and academics by subject
Mason (
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Support - as the page creator. I have no objection. --
Kautilya3 (
talk) 04:30, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete in the spirit of
WP:PERFCAT, this is just one of many topics that the subjects in this category were involved. No objection to listification.
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FWIW: I was on the fence between deletion and renaming when I made the nom. My hope was that other folks who have strong opinions/knowledge.
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Delete — I'm not sure where any listification would be placed. William Allen Simpson (
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Category:Meal planning apps
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Delete per nom, it might not contain any more articles
QuantumFoam66 (
talk) 19:38, 29 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom, not helpful for navigation.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 05:45, 29 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete for now without prejudice.
NLeeuw (
talk) 21:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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