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Category:Demographics of Utica, New York
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Nominator's rationale:Delete. Single-item eponymous category created just to contain its eponym, with no other articles that can be added it to make it anything other than a
WP:SMALLCAT. Individual cities virtually never need their own "Demographics" categories, precisely because a single article listing the demographics is all that such a category could actually contain.
Category:Demographics of New York City is a noteworthy exception, because just for starters each of the five boroughs has its own separate spinoff and some individual demographic groups do too — but a city with a population of just 62K doesn't need an eponymous category to hold a single demographics article. Upmerge to
Category:Demographics of New York and
Category:Utica, New York.
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Category:People from Floodwood, Minnesota
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Category:People from Weymouth Township, New Jersey
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Oppose Merge Full diffusion of the county category allows for effective navigation across the category structure, and fulfills the stated purpose of the
WP:CLN editing guideline of allowing the category and corresponding list to be built in synergistic fashion. The nominator's cutoff of four is utterly arbitrary and capricious and has no relevance in policy or in making Wikipedia an effective tool for navigating through and viewing articles by way of the category structure. Why not two or seven or any other number? What is it about having five entries that fulfills a magic number? What distinguishes
Category:People from Emerson, New Jersey, which has four entries and therefore must be deleted, from
Category:People from Carlstadt, New Jersey, which is one of several categories listed above that already has five entries and will be retained?
Alansohn (
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20:03, 21 July 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep Carlstadt & Northfield/Delete All Others The spirit of
WP:OCMISC really applies here: "It is not necessary to completely empty every parent category into its subcategories." Just because some towns in Atlantic County are viable sub-categories, doesn't mean there still can't be loose articles at the county level for really small towns.
RevelationDirect (
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02:21, 22 July 2015 (UTC)reply
The rationalization used to demand deletion,
WP:OCMISC states Do not categorize articles into "miscellaneous", "other", "not otherwise specified" or "remainder" categories. It is not necessary to completely empty every parent category into its subcategories. If there are some articles that don't fit appropriately into any of the standard subcategories, leave the articles in the parent category. The articles categorized together as "other" or "miscellaneous" generally will have little in common and therefore should not be categorized together in a dedicated "miscellaneous" category. It's inarguable that every entry in
Category:People from Emerson, New Jersey belongs there based on residence, not because "some articles that don't fit appropriately into any of the standard subcategories". Nothing is "necessary", but all of these articles belong in the subcategory, rather than in the parent. Are you going to offer any explanation for the arbitrary magic number? Why "Keep Carlstadt & Northfield" because they have five entries, while other have four and must be deleted?
Alansohn (
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04:33, 24 July 2015 (UTC)reply
To clarify, I said "spirit of
WP:OCMISC" not because they are literally miscellaneous but because they suffer from the same problem. Both the argument here and the problems with miscellaneous categories are identical: that if *some* articles are in sub-categories then they *all* have to be even if that produces sub-categories that aren't useful for navigation.
RevelationDirect (
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13:08, 24 July 2015 (UTC)reply
Support nomination (but no objection if Carlstadt & Northfield are kept). We've meanwhile had many similar upmergers of 'people from small community' to 'people from county'.
Marcocapelle (
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08:37, 28 July 2015 (UTC)reply
Support Such small categories just make it harder to use categories for searching, and in the case of counties people will often have moved between various parts of the county, so it is often just plain overcategorization to place them as from just one place.
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16:11, 13 August 2015 (UTC)reply
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Real estate brokers
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Support - "Realtor" is not only a made-up word (coined by real estate agent Charles N. Chadbourn of Minneapolis; a court ruled in 1920 that the word "had never been used in any way whatsoever until so invented"), but a trademarked one (at least in the United States), designating members of a specific organization (and one with a somewhat sordid history) . I am stunned to see that these categories exist. --
Orange Mike |
Talk15:30, 19 July 2015 (UTC)reply
Support - "Realtor" is a trademarked proper noun. Not all real-estate brokers are Realtors. I'd also note that per both proper grammar and Wikipedia MOS, compound modifiers take hyphens, so the category would properly be named "Real-estate brokers". They're not nonfictional estate brokers (people who handle estate sales). --
Tenebrae (
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17:37, 19 July 2015 (UTC)reply
Question -- Is this the right target for the Bahamas. These were a British colony and presumably used British land law. My recollection is that the category (which we have previous discussed) contains one article, which used this American term. However is that accurate or because the article author was American and applied an Americanism? Otherwise support.
Peterkingiron (
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16:55, 20 July 2015 (UTC)reply
But that one also covers the separate categories for property developers and investors/landlords. "Real estate broker" is a sufficiently generic description to cover the worldwide category of estate brokers/agents/"realtors", as evidenced by its use as the main article. –
FayenaticLondon17:11, 25 July 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose agents & brokers are two different animals -- realtors is the combination of the two (at least in North America). Keeping the name realtors allows this category to include both agents&brokers
Ottawahitech (
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04:46, 28 August 2015 (UTC)reply
@
Ottawahitech: what difference did you have in mind? The Realtor .com link given above by
user:RevelationDirect says that brokers are a sub-set of agents, in which case perhaps we should rename to "agents". However, the Wikipedia main article
Real estate broker generally does not distinguish them, and is unclear in the places where it attempts to do so. –
FayenaticLondon07:47, 28 August 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:18th-century establishments in the Netherlands
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Support (as amended). The Batavian Republic existed 1795-1815, so does not need a split by century. It should be followed by United Netherlands 1815-c.1830 and then Netherlands. All these should have a Netherlands parent.
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17:00, 20 July 2015 (UTC)reply
Support - but no need for the Netherlands parent. We can instead use something like "Early modern Netherlands" category and "Middle Ages Netherlands" for earlier period to be under the modern Netherlands year tree.
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Category:Demographics of Utica, New York
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Nominator's rationale:Delete. Single-item eponymous category created just to contain its eponym, with no other articles that can be added it to make it anything other than a
WP:SMALLCAT. Individual cities virtually never need their own "Demographics" categories, precisely because a single article listing the demographics is all that such a category could actually contain.
Category:Demographics of New York City is a noteworthy exception, because just for starters each of the five boroughs has its own separate spinoff and some individual demographic groups do too — but a city with a population of just 62K doesn't need an eponymous category to hold a single demographics article. Upmerge to
Category:Demographics of New York and
Category:Utica, New York.
Bearcat (
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19:37, 19 July 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:People from Floodwood, Minnesota
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Category:People from Weymouth Township, New Jersey
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Oppose Merge Full diffusion of the county category allows for effective navigation across the category structure, and fulfills the stated purpose of the
WP:CLN editing guideline of allowing the category and corresponding list to be built in synergistic fashion. The nominator's cutoff of four is utterly arbitrary and capricious and has no relevance in policy or in making Wikipedia an effective tool for navigating through and viewing articles by way of the category structure. Why not two or seven or any other number? What is it about having five entries that fulfills a magic number? What distinguishes
Category:People from Emerson, New Jersey, which has four entries and therefore must be deleted, from
Category:People from Carlstadt, New Jersey, which is one of several categories listed above that already has five entries and will be retained?
Alansohn (
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20:03, 21 July 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep Carlstadt & Northfield/Delete All Others The spirit of
WP:OCMISC really applies here: "It is not necessary to completely empty every parent category into its subcategories." Just because some towns in Atlantic County are viable sub-categories, doesn't mean there still can't be loose articles at the county level for really small towns.
RevelationDirect (
talk)
02:21, 22 July 2015 (UTC)reply
The rationalization used to demand deletion,
WP:OCMISC states Do not categorize articles into "miscellaneous", "other", "not otherwise specified" or "remainder" categories. It is not necessary to completely empty every parent category into its subcategories. If there are some articles that don't fit appropriately into any of the standard subcategories, leave the articles in the parent category. The articles categorized together as "other" or "miscellaneous" generally will have little in common and therefore should not be categorized together in a dedicated "miscellaneous" category. It's inarguable that every entry in
Category:People from Emerson, New Jersey belongs there based on residence, not because "some articles that don't fit appropriately into any of the standard subcategories". Nothing is "necessary", but all of these articles belong in the subcategory, rather than in the parent. Are you going to offer any explanation for the arbitrary magic number? Why "Keep Carlstadt & Northfield" because they have five entries, while other have four and must be deleted?
Alansohn (
talk)
04:33, 24 July 2015 (UTC)reply
To clarify, I said "spirit of
WP:OCMISC" not because they are literally miscellaneous but because they suffer from the same problem. Both the argument here and the problems with miscellaneous categories are identical: that if *some* articles are in sub-categories then they *all* have to be even if that produces sub-categories that aren't useful for navigation.
RevelationDirect (
talk)
13:08, 24 July 2015 (UTC)reply
Support nomination (but no objection if Carlstadt & Northfield are kept). We've meanwhile had many similar upmergers of 'people from small community' to 'people from county'.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
08:37, 28 July 2015 (UTC)reply
Support Such small categories just make it harder to use categories for searching, and in the case of counties people will often have moved between various parts of the county, so it is often just plain overcategorization to place them as from just one place.
John Pack Lambert (
talk)
16:11, 13 August 2015 (UTC)reply
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Real estate brokers
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Support - "Realtor" is not only a made-up word (coined by real estate agent Charles N. Chadbourn of Minneapolis; a court ruled in 1920 that the word "had never been used in any way whatsoever until so invented"), but a trademarked one (at least in the United States), designating members of a specific organization (and one with a somewhat sordid history) . I am stunned to see that these categories exist. --
Orange Mike |
Talk15:30, 19 July 2015 (UTC)reply
Support - "Realtor" is a trademarked proper noun. Not all real-estate brokers are Realtors. I'd also note that per both proper grammar and Wikipedia MOS, compound modifiers take hyphens, so the category would properly be named "Real-estate brokers". They're not nonfictional estate brokers (people who handle estate sales). --
Tenebrae (
talk)
17:37, 19 July 2015 (UTC)reply
Question -- Is this the right target for the Bahamas. These were a British colony and presumably used British land law. My recollection is that the category (which we have previous discussed) contains one article, which used this American term. However is that accurate or because the article author was American and applied an Americanism? Otherwise support.
Peterkingiron (
talk)
16:55, 20 July 2015 (UTC)reply
But that one also covers the separate categories for property developers and investors/landlords. "Real estate broker" is a sufficiently generic description to cover the worldwide category of estate brokers/agents/"realtors", as evidenced by its use as the main article. –
FayenaticLondon17:11, 25 July 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose agents & brokers are two different animals -- realtors is the combination of the two (at least in North America). Keeping the name realtors allows this category to include both agents&brokers
Ottawahitech (
talk)
04:46, 28 August 2015 (UTC)reply
@
Ottawahitech: what difference did you have in mind? The Realtor .com link given above by
user:RevelationDirect says that brokers are a sub-set of agents, in which case perhaps we should rename to "agents". However, the Wikipedia main article
Real estate broker generally does not distinguish them, and is unclear in the places where it attempts to do so. –
FayenaticLondon07:47, 28 August 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:18th-century establishments in the Netherlands
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Support (as amended). The Batavian Republic existed 1795-1815, so does not need a split by century. It should be followed by United Netherlands 1815-c.1830 and then Netherlands. All these should have a Netherlands parent.
Peterkingiron (
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17:00, 20 July 2015 (UTC)reply
Support - but no need for the Netherlands parent. We can instead use something like "Early modern Netherlands" category and "Middle Ages Netherlands" for earlier period to be under the modern Netherlands year tree.
GreyShark (
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09:04, 13 August 2015 (UTC)reply
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