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An editor has added Linus Torvalds' opinion on the Aaron Swartz case to the Carmen Ortiz page. This appears to be a violation of WP:UNDUE and WP:SELFSOURCE (the reference given is Torvalds' Google+ page). -- Hirolovesswords ( talk) 17:27, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
The subject in discussion is "Aaron Swartz prosecution and suicide". The entry highlight a serious statement made by a globally well respected personality Linus Trovalds, against the subject Carmen Ortiz. Aaron Swartz was a computer programmer. Linus Torvalds is one of the world leaders in computer programming. Thus, Linus in his role as a global leader of computing is directly related to the subject. The said criticism has been sourced to reliable secondary sources and meets the standards of a post. The G+ post on the official page of Linus Torvalds. Keeping in the neutral point of view required for all Wiki entries, this statement by Linus should be available for public on Wikipedia. Prodigyhk ( talk) 17:55, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
Need some editors to have a look at this given the recent edit war with possible BLP violations involved. I have semi-protected it for two weeks and I urge any passing admin to see if any established editors in the history have been violating policy. I'm posting this on WP:FOOTY as well since eyes are necessary. Drmies ( talk) 19:00, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
Barbra Streisand has a relationship with Pierre Trudeau mentioned in her article, in the politics section, but no mention in the Trudeau article. Thoughts?-- Canoe1967 ( talk) 20:26, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
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Lloyd Irvin ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Input is requested at this BLP's talkpage, concerning the articles rape content. Buddy23Lee ( talk) 18:09, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
Joanne Conte ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Joanne Marie Conte, born Joseph J. Baione, date of birth 10/1933, date of death 1/27/2013.
The Westword citation (5) goes to the wrong source. It references an Aurora city council member who was outed, and it's a Rocky Mountain News story.
Conte, who surgically transferred from male to female in 1973, was outed by her fellow members of the Arvada City Council. (Confirmation: former Arvada City Council member Ted Terranova interview with Claire Martin for Conte's obituary." From the obituary (which should be published on 2/3 or 2/4/13: Sometime in late 1992 or early 1992, some council members at odds with Conte surreptitiously passed the hat to collect funds to pay a private investigator to look into her background. “Before I was Joanne’s ally, I was not her ally,” he said“I considered her an obstructionist, so when I was contacted by some people who said, ‘Let’s hire a PI and look into this person’s background.’ So I put in $100, and three or four others did, too. “We were not trying to find out of she was transgendered. We thought maybe she was a criminal who’d relocated, or maybe in witness protection. That should have been the end fo it, because her transfer from a man to a woman had nothing to do with her performance. Nonetheless, it created the scenario that ruined her political career.” — Preceding unsigned comment added by ByClaireMartin ( talk • contribs) 19:12, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
In the article about Serbian-Montenegrin basketball coach Duško Vujošević (BC Partizan Belgrade) I found one offensive nickname - svinja (that means pig in Serbian). This offensive nickname is used only by supporters of Red Star, Partizan biggest rival in Serbia. Real nickname of Mr Vujošević is Dule. So, if you want to use his full name (with nick) you should write it as Duško "Dule" Vujošević (Serbian: Душко "Дуле" Вујошевић), and remove "svinja" (Serbian: "свиња") word from this article. Please put this in order as soon as possible. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.91.173.31 ( talk) 11:30, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
In the opening paragraph, Mirzaev is described as a a Russian mixed martial artist of Dagestani heritage and murderer.
However, as it describes here ( http://rt.com/sport/mirzaev-agafonov-mma-manslaughter-777/ ), he was acquitted of the murder charge, and convicted of 'reckless manslaughter'. He has already been released from prison.
He apparently intends to continue his carrier in mixed martial arts, as well, which is also stated in the following link. http://www.sherdog.com/blog/Russian-Fighter-Rasul-Mirzaev-Training-for-Comeback-After-Manslaughter-Conviction-49311 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.69.108.231 ( talk) 14:34, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
A user User:Lstokes71 has removed all criticisms of the person the article is about - a former politician. The person has edited no article outside removing criticisms from this article - Special:Contributions/Lstokes71. It appears to be a clearly WP:COI. I don't want to get in an edit-war, but something needs to be done to make this follow WP:NPOV and not look like a glowing school report! -- Politicool ( talk) 21:58, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
1981 NEVER TOO MUCH NOT IN THE YEAR 1986 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.26.84.237 ( talk) 10:09, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
Paul Lutus ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Vanity article of non-notable nobody. -- 178.99.70.58 ( talk) 09:11, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
Elizabeth Truss ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) In recent days, a number of users have added a mention of an affair that reportedly took place in 2004-5. This was several years before the subject became a public figure, being elected to Parliament in 2010.
Two other users had made repeated attempts to insert this information several months ago: Daily Blue91 and Yum Yum Hornblower, both of whom were sockpuppets and blocked shortly afterwards.
While there are several citations about the story, my concern is that the sensitive private matter occurring several years *before* the subject became a public figure is in contravention of the BLP guidelines - in particular, "it is not Wikipedia's job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives: the possibility of harm to living subjects must always be considered when exercising editorial judgment. This policy applies to any living person mentioned in a BLP, whether or not that person is the subject of the article". Also, "the presumption in favor of privacy is strong in the case of family members of articles' subjects and other loosely involved, otherwise low-profile persons."
This is of particular relevance as the subject's husband is named on her Wikipedia page, and her daughters are referred to.
My view is that an appropriate balance had been struck by providing references to citations in the "Candidate" section of her entry expanding on the details of the matter, thus enabling people to see reports if they wish, yet not detailing the specifics explicitly in the article itself for the reasons I have outlined above.
(incidentally, I think the current wording at the end of the "Personal Life" section is in any case not neutral, with the inclusion of the loaded word "admitted".)
I'd be interested in your view. Many thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Upswift ( talk • contribs) 13:44, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
This submission is in regard to a New Deal article Edit Summary of January 17, 2013. A previous edit of mine provided two quotes from a New Deal official, using author ABC as a source. Another editor removed the quotes. The editor said that the New Deal official never said the second quote. This editor said in the Edit Summary that the second quote is "falsified." The editor said that author XYZ got it wrong. This editor did not provide any source for the falsification claim. In fact, the source was author ABC.
If there is a mistake by either author, it was in good faith. A claim of falsification implies dishonesty. I do not request adverse action against the editor. I think the Edit Summary should be redacted. Thank you for your consideration. LesLein ( talk) 18:50, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
Theresa Grentz ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Is that an ad for her camp that I see toward the bottom? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.83.201.185 ( talk) 05:01, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
Self-published sources and other published sources of dubious reliability may be used as sources in articles about themselves ... so long as the material is neither unduly self-serving nor an exceptional claim, books are self published and the page exists mainly to poste sales — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zaytuni ( talk • contribs) 15:31, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
Each of his books are publish on demand. Announcing this fact is not libelous. It dies however encourage other self published writers to use Wikipedia as a platform to sell their books. I know of several people who have written books and paid for a private publishing company to accept a donation or a straight out fee per copy. If I paid a publish on demand publisher like Xlibris Publishing to publish a collection of my short stories, would I too be eligible to have a Wiki page? Zaytuni ( talk) 07:03, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
Joel Brinkley ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Someone has been repeatedly writing slanderous material on my Wikipedia page realting to a column I wrote last week. I'm a syndicated columnist. I have removed it 5 or 6 times. But it keeps coming back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.64.33.130 ( talk) 19:46, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
This section is innapropriate and should be deleted or duly filled out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.253.98.18 ( talk) 23:27, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
Hello, could some fellow BLPers take a look at this article, I assume the event is notable enough to be worthy of an article(?), but the real concern here is that the article's creator and essentially sole contributor is
User:AnkhMorpork, who, due to an unhealthy interest in writing articles slanted to denigrate the British Muslim/Pakistani population, has subsequently been topic banned from all areas relating to Muslims or Islam broadly construed.
Relevant ANI decision here
Having encountered the above user at
Rochdale sex trafficking gang, my concerns are that there is a lot of WP:UNDUE information, and the article concerns itself with a lot of sensationalist, blow-by-blow (no pun intended) detail. Care to take a look and give it some thought? Cheers!
CaptainScreebo
Parley!
12:20, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
De-tabloided a bit. Collect ( talk) 20:10, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
The current version of the article is an unbalanced hatchet job on David Siegel. It focuses on a couple of questionable things he admitted to (perhaps jokingly) in the documentary The Queen of Versailles while omitting the important details of his life that were also covered in the documentary. Mathew5000 ( talk) 09:59, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
Oh and the ability to read Norwegian sources! lol, looks like this is a well-documented article, but there seems to be way too much bla bla, am on NPP, anybody care to take a pair of (Norwegian) sheep shears to it and tone it down a bit. Thanks! CaptainScreebo Parley! 18:50, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
Peter Hargitay ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
This article is not meeting any requirements for Biographies of living persons and contains potentially libelous material. It is furthermore an unknown person, boiling down the article to relevant material leeds to a one sentence article. I'd apply for a removal of the article. Tatwort ( talk) 12:56, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
Marion Jones was not convicted of, or even accused of, perjury, or lying to a grand jury. She was convicted of making false statements.
You can be convicted of "making false statements" for lying about growing corn in your backyard to the bagel lady. It is much broader than perjury.
Lying to the bagel lady is not the same thing as committing perjury.
Any notion that she admitted to violating an oath (perjury) is libelous. I do not have time as of now to cleanup her article, as well as other biographies of people who have been made felons for lying to the bagel lady such as Martha Stewart. Int21h ( talk) 20:37, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
An editor introduces sourced but very serious allegations into a high profile article. I remove them per WP:BLPCRIME, the other editor reintroduces them per WP:CRIME [7]. Considering the very high profile of the person, the very serious character of the allegations, and the sparsity of sources on it (indicating that almost no one took the allegations seriously), I would urge for the removal of them. Can people please take a look and voice their opinion? Fram ( talk) 20:47, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
This is basically a rehash of the issue I reported last time. 林木森森 has again reinstated direct translations of Fang's opinion on Christianity, which in my opinion paints a negative picture of Fang due to the brashness of Fang's own writing. (Though for what it's worth, as a native speaker of Chinese, I think their translations are fairly accurate—it's the decision to quote particularly unpleasant parts that bothers me.) There has been discussion on the article's talk page, and this diff contains each of our preferred versions. I am asking editors here to please review the dispute, and to hopefully establish some sort of clear consensus on this matter that will put it to rest for at least a few months. Thanks. wctaiwan ( talk) 17:03, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
There is a discussion at Talk:Suicide of Amanda Todd regarding the inclusion or exclusion of the high profile allegation by the group "Anonymous" regarding a person who has been stated by police as not to be the person who stalked the young lady on the internet. I am not sure that the main editors of the article should be the (sole) arbiters of whether this information should be included or not, and, if included, how much or how little. The discussion is taking place at this section of the talk page. I am bringing this here pre-defamation to seek to ensure that none takes place. Fiddle Faddle ( talk) 19:46, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
What seems faintly amusing is that the protagonists seem uninterested in coming here, and folk here are not interested in going there. Even so a wider discussion is most definitely required, somewhere. Fiddle Faddle ( talk) 23:33, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
Elliott Gould, whom she married...they divorced in 1971and Hilburn, Robert (November 30, 1997). "Barbra's bliss. Streisand is feeling settled". Chicago Sun-Times.
Her only marriage (to actor Elliott Gould) ended in divorce in 1971-- Jezebel'sPonyo bons mots 20:36, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
I won't add the sources but someone else may wish to.-- Canoe1967 ( talk) 21:51, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
In all fairness, I must clarify that the Wisconsin Gazette is a LGBT newspaper with pretty sound journalistic standads, not a blog. -- Orange Mike | Talk 17:31, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
There have been some issues with the addition and removal of negative information at Joel C. Rosenberg. I think the negative stuff is largely sourced poorly or to primary sources that may not be appropriate for a BLP. The addition and removal both feel wrong to me and I'm not sure how to weigh them (though I'm leaning strongly toward keeping the article as it stands). Could someone else take a look at it? Thanks, Hobit ( talk) 02:20, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
I previously nominated this for deletion on the basis that the subject was notable for only 1 event- there was no consensus with that so I embarked on a substantial clean-up. However I could do with a few more eyes looking it over, which is why I raise it here. I feel there is a substantial problem with the sources which are rarely little more than statements of fact [Storm was here on this date, etc.] it's not the sort of thing we would do for any other BLP - we don't keep a list of celebrity itineraries even though they are well documented we generally only note significant events which the BLP had a notable role in. The latest source addition extends to little more than a captioned photograph of Storm with David Cameron in an article that's nothing to do with Storm. Part of the problem (and my concern) stems from the fact that the subjects mother runs a P.R. company and appears to be pushing these minor press mentions and I don't think that's something we should be complicit in encouraging. Any Thoughts, Cleanups, or Deletion requests warmly received. Stuart.Jamieson ( talk) 15:27, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
Fred Phelps ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) has been edited today to add material about Al Gore based on Gore's 1983 Senate race where he expressed anti-homosexual views. Edits making it clear that Gore had rejected these views by the time he ran for president (he had the support of gay activist groups, took stick for wanting to allow gays in the military and had gay staff members). I've warned the editor for 3RR and BLP violation but I've edited twice. I think replacing the deleted material is warranted under 3rr but would prefer comments first. Dougweller ( talk) 16:54, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
Steven P. Croley ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Wanted to flag that the last section in the biography of Steve Croley (current deputy White House counsel) relates to his "attack on the Second Amendment," and then devolves into an accusation that AG Holder tried to create a propaganda campaign to attack the 2nd Amendment rights of D.C. residents. I'm not a regular Wikipedia user, so I'm not comfortable deleting/editing it myself, but wanted to flag the issue - seems in violation of the "neutral point of view" policy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.196.214.185 ( talk) 21:58, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
Additional eyes might be helpful here at the article and possibly on the talk page. There's also a redirect at Christopher Jordan Dorner. -- j⚛e decker talk 22:19, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
Several editors, based on their edits and edit summaries political opponents of Jamie Raskin, have been adding a large WP:UNDUE-violating section to the article. RNealK ( talk) 01:01, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
I have no opinion on this matter as far as having never heard of the guy before running across these edits, and I'm not from Maryland, so he isn't a representative, but SOMEbody needs to take care of this since I'm at my 3RR limit. RNealK ( talk) 02:03, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
this is a horribly biased article.
why on earth is her book: "men are pigs and deserve to die" not on her works list??
it should be front and center, also a whole section about her misandry, from what she states in that book alone. she also needs to be called into question for presenting herself as a supermodel, neurosurgeon, tennis pro and concert pianist. it's hilarious how out of character this wikipedia article is, safe to assume it was written by a misandric feminist or perhaps steinem herself — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.121.247.61 ( talk) 09:12, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
This really isn't an issue to debate on this noticeboard. If she wrote or co-wrote a book and it isn't in her bibliography, then add it there yourself. Gamaliel ( talk) 19:28, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
Category:British Columbia political scandals Seems to have people, roads, and even an island article in it. Should we rename it to articles containing scandals or just remove most of them?-- Canoe1967 ( talk) 17:39, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
Does Murder of Kasandra Shepherd have RS in any of the linked articles and if so, do those count?-- Canoe1967 ( talk) 01:08, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
I am seeking opinions on the small section which simply states that "Anthrobus was arrested in March 2007 for having sex in a public place, and fined £500" - complete with reliable source. Giant Snowman 18:58, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
I have just now s-protected Emmanuelle Riva. I regret doing this, because Riva is in the news, various IPs have been editing constructively, and s-protection is prompted by just two edits by the same person. (This person has also blanked the article, etc, but this doesn't concern me so very much.) See Talk:Emmanuelle Riva for why I s-protected the article (for one week, though I chose not to say that there). If any admin thinks that I have been overzealous, then fine, go ahead and unprotect (no need to ask me). But there'd then better be a team of sensible people with the article on their watchlists. -- Hoary ( talk) 02:39, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Wikipedians in the news need some attention, please. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:38, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
Edwin Edwards ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
The article states that Edwin Wdwards is Roman Catholic. Everyone knows that Governor Edwards is Protestant and a teetotler. He is a crook and a womanizer but has never dranl alcohol or ever claimed to be Roman catholic as far as anyone knows! Please correct. Very cursory research will reveal the facts... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.235.46.217 ( talk) 06:15, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
Wendy Williams ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
This page has many problems [8]. The first being an unsourced section about Ms. Williams' gender. The second is a paragraph about her husband's alleged affair with a transvestite which is sourced only by unreliable gossip websites. Lastly, the section on Nicole Spence's lawsuit very long (perhaps WP:UNDUE) and contains similar sourcing issues. -- Hirolovesswords ( talk) 17:06, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
Brahmanandam ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) My uncle who is a retired Bank officer told me that Mr.Bhrahmanandam was his classmate in high school and both of them have passed SSLC(xi class) in march 1966. One should have 15 years of age to do xi class, how could Mr.Brahmanandam did so as he was stvted to have born on 01-02-1956(at his 10 years of age?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Musarr ( talk • contribs) 18:43, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
Igli Tare ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Would someone with expertise in soccer and Series A please correct the page under Igli Tare?
Someone has removed his photo and lied about his career stats. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Usashqiptar ( talk • contribs) 20:18, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
In my opinion, this article is a coatrack for BLP attacks on some corporate executives. Deletion is being discussed at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Standby_Equity_Distribution_Agreement. I would appreciate it if other editors would take a look and comment, and if an administrator might consider closing the debate if they judge that consensus exists to do so. Thanks. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 23:58, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
Bodora is adding many, many incomplete reference urls that lack the standard "http://". This means that most of the references do not display properly. I'm not really complaining, but the article needs eyes on it and I'm not sure where else I could place this. -- Auric talk 02:06, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
I've started an RFC over at Stephen King's bio. As it involves BLP issues it might be of interest to editors who monitor BLP/N. Thanks. § FreeRangeFrog croak 02:39, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
This page should not be in wikipedia. This guy has not contributed anything to have a page of himself here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.0.108.214 ( talk) 15:17, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
I posted the following comments at the help desk and it was suggested that I bring it here instead:
[9]
There has been a significant edit war involving
2.158.15.126 and several other editors at
Pier Giuseppe Monateri. I have no involvement, nor do I have any intention of editng the article, but I noticed a comment here at the help desk previously from 2.158.15.126, who admitted to being the article's subject.
[10] He also made the same admission in his edit summary on one of his reverts.
[11] In both comments, he alluded to defamation. Although I am neutral regarding the dispute, it's clear that the content in question - the entire
"Legal problems" section - is extremely contentious. Interestingly, that happens to be the only content in the entire article that is sourced. (I do not know if the sources verify the content because they're all in Italian.) Finally, and perhaps most importantly, is the subject even notable? If not, it would seem that the issue causing the edit war is moot and the article should be deleted. I think this matter definitely deserves the attention of an experienced editor/administrator for resolution. Thank you very much. --
76.189.111.199 (
talk)
02:31, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
You are very welcome. I don't know if any sources can be found in English and whether he is notable to the English speaking world. I don't know if any notabilty in Italy or other countries qualify him for an article here.-- Canoe1967 ( talk) 03:50, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
As I have flagged up on Talk:John Seddon - the article is somewhat one-sided, and written (or edited) by Charlotte Pell, who works as a publicist for John Seddon, and an anonymous user that has only ever created this page. I am told this is possibly in breach of wikipedia rules re direct interests (my indirect interest is flagged in the talk page), and am flagging this up for wiser people than me to explore! FWIW, the article is not completely unbalanced hagiography, though it could be improved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wushinbo ( talk • contribs) 12:10, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
Mitos Magsaysay ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)-- Canoe1967 ( talk) 23:53, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
Maria Milagros "Mitos" Habana Magsaysay
Born on January 4, 1964 Married to Jesus Vicente "JV" Magsaysay Mother of 6 kids
Graduated from University of the Philippines with a degree of BS Business Administration
Deputy Minority Leader of the House of Representatives 3 terms Voted Most Outstanding Congressman for 5 consecutive years 2004-2009, 2011 Emeritus Hall of Fame Awardee
Known as Congresswoman Libre For the last 9 years, has provided the following everyday: Free Medical and Dental Check Ups Free doctors and dentists Free medicines from babies to senior citizens Free maintenance medicines for diabetes,arthritis,and hypertension to all senior citizens Free tooth extraction Free TB and Primary complex medication good for 9 months Free diagnostic laboratory: urinalysis ,fecalysis, blood chemistry,sugar and cholesterol tests,ECG Free drug test laboratory accredited by LTO
Free scholarships for tertiary education and skills training Free high school assistance to cover PTCA fees Free grade school assistance to cover PTCA fees
Very active and vocal legislator in the HOR especially on bills, issues, and laws that affect the citizenry.
Slogan:
Libreng Pagamutan, para healthy Kayo, Scholarship at Skills Training, para Magka-trabaho Kayo Kay MITOS, Kayo ang UNA!
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Hollyweirdcalifornia ( talk • contribs) 20:46, February 10, 2013
Input is needed from BLP experts at an RfC concerning possible BLP violations in the Jared Diamond article. Please post any comments at the RfC, not here, so the discussion is co-located. Thanks. -- Noleander ( talk) 00:08, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Katherine Hull-Kirk ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) Katherine Hull married Tom Kirk August 2nd 2012 and now goes by Katherine Hull-Kirk — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.255.239.28 ( talk) 00:27, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Tom Vilsack ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Please check the comment regarding his mother hiding Big Foot in the basement... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2404:9800:0:4:D227:88FF:FEBD:B56D ( talk) 03:36, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
IP trying to IMO coatrack the article, also I think they're at severalRR. I have edited, so won't block or semi, but would ask that someone should - David Gerard ( talk) 23:48, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
The addition of material contrary to WP:BLP and with a citation which does not support the claim in relation to QRpedia, continues at QRpedia. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:09, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Both articles are unwieldy press releases, and replete with unsourced or inadequately sourced promotional content, the former still bearing traces of its initial autobiographical structure, via Acousteau ( talk · contribs), the latter written in part by an account with the irresistible name GoodPRonline ( talk · contribs). Clean ups in order, to which I'll contribute, but I'd appreciate more eyes on these. 99.136.254.88 ( talk) 03:26, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
Adding further family bios, some of more dubious claim to notability, others unsourced or promotional in tone. 99.136.254.88 ( talk) 03:34, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
Poorly sourced and promotional biography. I've tried several times to remove the gallery blurb, and restored the COI, notability and reference templates multiple times, but the above accounts continue to edit war over these issues, and have provided mostly unacceptable links and sources....don't even try to remove them. I've also attempted discussion and issued warnings at user talk pages and article talk page, to no avail. I'd appreciate additional help with this, so as to alleviate the appearance of edit warring for my part, and to determine whether AfD is reasonable. 99.136.254.88 ( talk) 15:40, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
Well, here's a project, and might be worth saving. Trouble is, those who are most conscientiously attempting to improve the article are wounding it lethally; the current version is so bad I've marked it for speedy deletion as spam. 99.136.254.88 ( talk) 00:55, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
We seem to have found some consensus in incorporating the following, rather factual sentence:
"In an open letter given on January 22, 2013, Irvin confirmed his arrest, trial, and acquittal of rape in 1990."
What still seems to be in some amount of contention is whether or not the sentence which follows the above remains in accordance with BLP policy:
"Lloyd Irvin's defense was based on his claim of impotence while attempting intercourse with the alleged victim."
In the interest of transparency I should admit I'm in the camp of non-inclusion, which is why I'm asking here. Please and thanks. Buddy23Lee ( talk) 01:20, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
The infobox says Accused perpetrator of 2013 Southern California shootings. If charges have not been filed, it should instead say suspect in 2013 Southern California shootings (I made the same comment on the article's talk page before posting it here). Rybec ( talk) 04:11, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Elisabeth Moss ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Per sources, Elisabeth Moss self-identifies as an "actor" and that is correctly reflected in the body of the article. However, she is categorised in various "actress" categories. So do we leave it like that, or should the categories reflect how Ms Moss self-identifies?-- ukexpat ( talk) 16:45, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
I am frankly amazed that this entry has been allowed to remain unchallenged for so long. [comments removed per BLP] Despite mostly playing for teams that no-one has ever heard of, apparently Mr Roche "forced his way into [both of] these squads due to his commanding presence within the Dublin Institute of Technology squad". He also 'apparently' played for 'New York FC' which may sound impressive but is actually the equivalent of a non-league side in the UK and, even if it was a notable club - which it isn't - his playing 'career' is unverified. Please look into this and then delete on the grounds that a) the entry has obviously been almost entirely created by Mr Roche himself and b) he is simply not notable enough in this field to justify inclusion. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Woodseats44 ( talk • contribs) 17:04, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Various ips, and one user keep adding the title Trotona de Pontevedra which seems to mean the Trotter of Ponevedra. This seems to be a reference to his alleged behaviour, however I cannot be certain as I don't speak spanish, or live in spain. I have reverted once. Can anyone confirm this is pejorative. Martin451 ( talk) 23:09, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
An AP story in the Huffington Post,
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/08/dorner-manifesto_n_2644813.html
talks about the "manifesto police say was written by suspected killer Christopher Dorner," (emphasis added) while the 2013 Southern California shootings article says
In his online manifesto, Dorner [...]
and the Christopher Jordan Dorner article says
Christopher Dorner published a detailed communication [...]
Given that the man's whereabouts are unknown and he may be unable to speak for himself, I feel that a little skepticism would be suitable. I think a fair-minded person would admit to the possibilities that Dorner's online account was hacked, that the account never belonged to him in the first place, or that the police are not telling the truth. Even if true, statements by the police about a suspect are obviously POV. I looked at the sources given in the 2013 Southern California shootings article and none of them express any doubt that this manifesto was written by Dorner. I'm asking that the sort of qualification given by the AP article be included (see Wikipedia:CHERRY-PICK essay). Rybec ( talk) 03:12, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Here it is with the KABC reference in "cite web" form (intentionally not indented):
A manifesto posted [1] [2] [3] on Facebook, [6] which police say was written by Dorner, [7] declared " unconventional and asymmetric warfare" upon the Los Angeles Police Department, their families, and their associates, until the LAPD admitted publically he was fired in retaliation for reporting excessive force.
I was the one who asked yesterday about saying "accused" if charges hadn't been filed. As you can see, the KABC story says that charges have now been filed. Rybec ( talk) 04:41, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Henry E. Emerson ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Ben McLemore ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
There is a ridiculous Missouri fan changing a lot of the information on this page some of it is foul with foul language. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.236.151.50 ( talk) 06:55, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
So far restricted to talk page, but would like someone else to weight in there, so its not a 1 on 1 "consensus". Editor saying accusations of REDACTED should be included in article. I think such content is clearly not well sourced enough, even to say "so and so has alleged", and beyond that the vast majority of the (poorly sourced) allegation does not strictly qualify as REDACTED. Not sure, but I believe such an accusation even on the talk page may violate BLP? (Does this post right here do so as well?) Gaijin42 ( talk) 22:04, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Review Raja ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
User talk:Icykle claims to be the Co-creator of Review Raja, namely Rajeev Kugan. He contacted me via email and wished to make following change, which I reverted earlier, because the source stated otherwise: diff. I don't know, what do. I think it's a case for somebody who knows what to do in this case.-- Dravidianhero ( talk) 01:58, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
There is an ongoing dispute about quotations about the dismissal of state charges against Aaron Swartz after the institution of federal charges. One editor is adamant that the quotes are a WP:BLP violation as to Carmen Ortiz. At least three editors (including me) disagree. But we're repeating ourselves and have started shedding more heat than light (myself included.) We could use some fresh eyes. The various contentions are well-explained here and here. David in DC ( talk) 13:30, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
Alexander Misharin ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Please see the latest article history on the addition/removal of material about KrasAir. It's a little hard for me to judge the material because I don't speak Russian and had the benefit of only a machine translation, but the material being added strikes me as WP:SYNTHESIS and WP:COATRACKy. Also, it lacks context because it doesn't really explain why the prosecutor supposedly warned Misharin (I got a bit confused by the translation as to who was warning whom for what). As worded by the editor adding the material, it is not particularly helpful to the reader. I'm going to revert one more time and then let others decide.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 16:59, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
User:Riordanlj, created 2013-02-07, seems to have been removing content from the Linda Riordan article - a UK Member of Parliament as it happens. Content removed is generally critical of the article subject. The most recent edit summary (from this diff) claims "These statements were factually incorrect and I will take further action if you continuebto print". I've left a note on the users page suggesting that they make themselves aware of BLP policies and WP:LEGAL. The criticism is all sourced, although it may be that the reliability of the information in the sources is questionable - wouldn't be the first time this has happened of course. If someone with more experience can have a check on the article it would be handy. Blue Square Thing ( talk) 18:01, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
He was one of many officials named in a newspaper article criticizing the payments these officials got when they left office, and the size of the pensions they could receive. Someone deleted the amount of his pension (which was properly sourced), and I reverted it. Now someone using a different IP address has deleted it again and added a poorly-sourced statement that "he has not drawn down any pension payments to date."
The edit summary here shows why the statement is poorly sourced:
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Barry_Andrews_%28politician%29&diff=537683291&oldid=537585360
This shows the overall changes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Barry_Andrews_%28politician%29&diff=537737571&oldid=537585360
Rybec ( talk) 21:41, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
It all worked out in the end, but for future reference WP:Requested articles is the appropriate venue for such requests.-- ukexpat ( talk) 16:24, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Chien-Chi Chang ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Chien-Chi Chang is no longer married to Cheryl Lai, who is described as the head of Taiwan's news service.
And he now resides in Austria and New York City.
He just told me that this material was erroneous in his bio and that he doesn't even know who put it up. I am a friend and the writer of Double Happiness. Chien-Chi can be reached through Magnum Photo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Claudiadowling ( talk • contribs) 13:55, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Andrey Borodin ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Entry has been maliciously vandalized. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scannerpage ( talk • contribs) 20:34, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Meredith Monroe ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
There is a reservation as to whether Meredith Monroe biography is accurate as there is no concrete evidence to support what her birth name is - Meredith Leigh Monroe or Meredith Hoyt Monroe. I believe Wikipedia has removed a lot of information off her page including her birth date simply as no one is sure whether she was born in 1976 or 1969.
Therefore there is a question should Wikipedia still list her as Meredith Leigh Monroe rather than Meredith Hoyt Monroe. I ask this question, as there are a lot of inconsistences within her biography. Whilst known as Meredith Hoyt Monroe from the time frame 1997 – 2004 she was know either to be born in 1977 or 1976. Later from around 2004/5 onward she started to be referred as Meredith Leigh Monroe born 1970, 1969 or 1968. However the timeline of events when Meredith is know, as Leigh is a bit dubious.
The first reports of Meredith lying about her age came from a website The Iconophile who still refers to her as Hoyt and claims High School friends had contact him saying she was born in 1970. On the Wikipedia Talk page again there is a comment made that Meredith gradate High School in 1988. Even though people have made these claims no one has mentioned which High School she attended and there is no record in the public domain of any pictures or yearbook evidence. As many celebrities have there yearbook pictures on various website it seem odd that no one as posted Meredith. Also if it is in the public domain which University she attended why has the High School she attended not been listed?
The second mystery is the University she attend the Millikin University. A University not known for its performing arts but more for its liberal arts and fine arts. Should we follow Meredith Leigh Monroe born in 1969 education and work history she would have graduated High School in 1988, university in 1991 only then to start modelling and acting in 1997. At the age of 28 is seem odd for a woman to then start to model for teenage magazines and play teenage roles. If we start with Meredith early work it shows that her first job was modelling for a teenage magazine, a jumper catalogue and the Nancy Drew books, At All Cost published in Oct 1997, Royal Revenge Dec 1997, Operations Titanic Feb 1998 and Process of Elimination April 1998. Plus doing teenage roles in Norville and Trudy 1997, Dangerous Minds 1997, Hang Time 1997, Sunset Beach 1998, Beyond the Prairie; The True Story of Laura Ingalls Wilder 1999 and Dawson Creek 2000. If we look at time frame it doesn’t really make sense and a little farfetched that someone goes through the education system works outside of the media industry for 6 years only to change career at 28 to play teenager parts. If Kerr Smith age was noticed on Dawson Creek so should have Meredith especially if people were claiming she was the oldest cast member rather than after the show ended.
As there is no reliable source to say if Meredith was born Meredith Hoyt Monroe or Meredith Leigh Monroe how is her biography accurate? Unlike the other cast members on Dawson Creek there is no information on family or High School records within the public domain to verify her birth name or age. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jay99a ( talk • contribs) 21:05, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Could you please clarify what or where your reliable source is as it may help to clear up Meredith Monroe date of birth as well. The point I was trying to make was the name change is associated to her change in date of birth and the two time frames.
Born in 1976 when better know as Meredith Hoyt Monroe her life events would have followed, graduated High School in 1994. University in 1997 and began first modelling job possible 1997/6 if started whilst at University or straight after. As it has always been stated that Meredith first model for the Nancy Drew book and did small television commercials in 1997 and then moved into film and soaps later around 1998. Details can be found on her official website.
However when later known a Meredith Leigh Monroe born in 1969 she would have graduated High School in 1988. University in 1991 only then to have waited 6 years to start modelling in 1997 making her aged 28 with no account of what she had done in the 6 years in between University and working. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jay99a ( talk • contribs) 10:39, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
Editors Amadscientist and UsetheCommandLine are asserting that Huey Newton (whose 1989 death is confirmed) and Bert Schneider (whose 2011 death is confirmed) are both covered by WP:BLP under the recent clause. Amadscientist asserts that anyone who was born less than 115 years ago, even if confirmed dead, is covered.
This needs to be clarified. I might understand recent to mean 6 months, a year....even two years at the outside. If someone has been dead for 24 years, I do not see how this can be considered "recent."
Please clarify. Thanks. Apostle12 ( talk) 21:52, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
This is the edit (or the reversion of the multiple edits that were removed) that started the long discussion that has developed over the last week or so.
It appeared to me that the outcome of these talks suggested that both Newton and Schneider were covered by WP:BLP policies. I would note that Amadscientist was one of the WP:DRN volunteers handling the original dispute re:Schneider.
Subsequently, this edit was made by an IP editor. Discussion ensued. I believe I have laid out my concerns adequately already in that discussion, namely, coverage (or not) of Newton by WP:BLP and a related WP:RS concern. -- UseTheCommandLine ( talk) 22:19, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
My understanding is that the "recently deceased" applies for one year after the subject's death. I am not aware of any more strict definition than this. Yworo ( talk) 00:24, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
I attempted to improve the Jane Davidson article today by adding more reliable sources and making it fit WP:NPOV better. But again a single purpose account has remove the criticisms of the subject, and even the references to its removal from the talk page. An admin has reverted the edits once, but it seems a lot of new users want this article censored! - Politicool ( talk) 01:44, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
Ravi Singh ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
This biography was deleted (without discussion) and reposted with slight revision. This biography lacks NPOV, Verifiability (many of the sources are questionable websites which published the subjects press release), Writing style is clearly promotional. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Banchasana ( talk • contribs) 06:16, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
[16] has:
Which I strangely interpret to be an accusation of a crime ("illegally") requiring strong sourcing as a contentious claim. The AP statement is clearly speculation only - thus I suggest it does not meet the BLP requirements, The claim clearly affects the grandfather, who is not stated to be dead, as well as Marco Rubio as it is placed in his direct BLP. The article is not about the grandfather otherwise at all. Is the AP surmise sufficient for the insertion of a criminal claim into a BLP? I would note that no source other than the AP surmise has been presented for the accusation of a crime. Collect ( talk) 11:58, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
Paul Matia was NOT succeeded in the Ohio Senate by Lee Fisher. He was actually succeeded by NO ONE. Redistricting (technically called apportionment) eliminated his west side Cuyahoga County district placing half in each of two adjacent Senate districts where the incumbents were mid term. Paul effectively was a man without a district. Lee Fisher was elected to a new district on the east side of Cuyahoga County and no part of either district overlapped. For whatever it is worth I was given part of his district and still had two years to serve on my 4 year term. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.101.219.1 ( talk) 14:33, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
Samer Tariq Issawi ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
The current bio of Samer Tariq Issawi defines the Palestinian political activist Samer Tariq Issawi as a "terrorist", which is a definition clearly in breach of the neutral point of view rule. In fact he was captured by Israel during the Israeli invasion of the West Bank and charged of possession of weapons and forming military groups in Jerusalem. The charges were levied not by a neutral party but by a military enemy, so they cannot be taken as a proof of the prisoner's wrongdoing. More importantly, even these biased charges did not include murder, so the definition of "terrorist" is not only inappropriate but also defamatory in this case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maxillinus ( talk • contribs) 16:36, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
Komarov is a current NHL player who was born in 1987 in Narva. Here's the problem: Which should be used as Komarov's birth country? The Soviet Union or Estonia? IMHO, this problem covers all people born in countries, which no longer exists. GoodDay ( talk) 17:07, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
Here are 3 maps of the Soviet Union
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[23], which clearly show Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia as being within the USSR. More maps can be provided.
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Let's get back to the original topic. We are expected to link to the de facto government under which Komarov was born, because it is the de facto government (in the example case, the ESSR of the CCCP), which controlled the subject's life. I may not recognize the legitimacy of the Soviet occupation of Estonia; but the fact is that Komarov was born into a state ruled by the Estonian SSR, not the Estonian government-in-exile, just as patriots like Padraic Pearse were born in what was then the United Kingdom, though they gave their lives that a free Ireland could be "a nation once again." -- Orange Mike | Talk 20:27, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
One more in agreement with Lvivske, Orange Mike, et al. De facto is more important than de jure here. -- GRuban ( talk) 23:17, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Google news for the period 1945 to 1990:
"Riga, Latvia" was the common name for that WP:PLACE during that period. -- Nug ( talk) 22:51, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
UPU: [36] On 19 May 1922, Estonia joined the Universal Postal Union. . [37] also shows the 1922 date (and is an official source). [38] is also a reliable source. Should an air service be established between U.S.S.R. and Estonia, the Contracting Parties agree to use such service as much as possible for the conveyance of mail is found in a Soviet treaty! [39] The Soviet Union itself had a postal teaty with Estonia! Not only do we have RS statements that Estonia joined the UPU in 1922, but also that the Soviet Union recognised the sovereignty of Estonia in its postal treaty with Estonia. 1921 League of Nations source [40]. [41] Estonia was still recognised as a member of the LoN as of 18 April 1946. [42] Estonia was an initial signatory to the "Slavery Convention." [43] Signatory to Treaty of Paris. [44] Geneva Convention. Thus reliable sources show Estonia was a member of the UPU from 1922, was a signatory to major treaties and conventions, was a member of the LoN until 1946 etc. If you need even more soursces to end the silly claim that Estonia was not considered separate by other nations etc., try to find some sources for your claims. Cheers. Collect ( talk) 14:16, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
It looks like Prince Abdi is going to survive the AfD, so it needs to be watched as it's frequently the subject of vandalism attacks. RNealK ( talk) 23:50, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Could experienced editors please keep an eye on Steve Stockman? This is a high-profile individual at the moment and the article is a mess. There are a huge number of citation needed tags, I've found some cases where sentences are copied or closely paraphrased from cited sources and there are some POV issues. For instance: "A Houston Chronicle article reminds that "Stockman’s two years in Congress were marked by weirdness". Another example: Stockman's opponent was described as: "A native of Coffeyville in southeastern Kansas, and a supporter of U.S. President Barack H. Obama" (the opponent's place of birth is irrelevant and may have been mentioned to imply that he's an outsider to the district, the H. in Obama's name is also conspicuous). Stockman is generating a lot of controversy so this article will need some close attention. GabrielF ( talk) 01:12, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Joel Brinkley ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Someone has been repeatedly writing slanderous material on my Wikipedia page realting to a column I wrote last week. I'm a syndicated columnist. I have removed it 5 or 6 times. But it keeps coming back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.64.33.130 ( talk) 19:46, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
I am bringing this conversation back up for debate. While I agree that the negative comments should not be there, I believe that there is good reason to include the information about the above mentioned controversy. Chrisvanlang ( talk) 23:29, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
(outdent) I found Brinkley's piece, dated February 1st, at http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-02-01/news/sns-201301291330--tms--amvoicesctnav-c20130129-20130129_1_dog-meat-da-nang-meat-eaters . It still contains the controversial statements. At the bottom it says:
Editor’s note: Tribune Media Services, which distributed this article, issued a follow-up statement on Friday, February 1:
Tribune Media Services (TMS) recently moved an opinion column by Joel Brinkley about his observations from a trip to Vietnam that did not meet our journalistic standards. The column has provoked a highly critical response from readers since its release.
TMS has a rigorous editing process for its content, and in the case of Brinkley’s column that moved Jan. 29, all the required steps did not occur. We regret that this happened, and we will be vigilant in ensuring that our editing process works in the future.
(the same apology is reproduced on jimromenesko.com). Opinion pieces are supposed to cause controversy. I think it's unusual for a newspaper chain to apologize and try to hide for an editorial. This is not trivial.
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An editor has added Linus Torvalds' opinion on the Aaron Swartz case to the Carmen Ortiz page. This appears to be a violation of WP:UNDUE and WP:SELFSOURCE (the reference given is Torvalds' Google+ page). -- Hirolovesswords ( talk) 17:27, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
The subject in discussion is "Aaron Swartz prosecution and suicide". The entry highlight a serious statement made by a globally well respected personality Linus Trovalds, against the subject Carmen Ortiz. Aaron Swartz was a computer programmer. Linus Torvalds is one of the world leaders in computer programming. Thus, Linus in his role as a global leader of computing is directly related to the subject. The said criticism has been sourced to reliable secondary sources and meets the standards of a post. The G+ post on the official page of Linus Torvalds. Keeping in the neutral point of view required for all Wiki entries, this statement by Linus should be available for public on Wikipedia. Prodigyhk ( talk) 17:55, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
Need some editors to have a look at this given the recent edit war with possible BLP violations involved. I have semi-protected it for two weeks and I urge any passing admin to see if any established editors in the history have been violating policy. I'm posting this on WP:FOOTY as well since eyes are necessary. Drmies ( talk) 19:00, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
Barbra Streisand has a relationship with Pierre Trudeau mentioned in her article, in the politics section, but no mention in the Trudeau article. Thoughts?-- Canoe1967 ( talk) 20:26, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
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Lloyd Irvin ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Input is requested at this BLP's talkpage, concerning the articles rape content. Buddy23Lee ( talk) 18:09, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
Joanne Conte ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Joanne Marie Conte, born Joseph J. Baione, date of birth 10/1933, date of death 1/27/2013.
The Westword citation (5) goes to the wrong source. It references an Aurora city council member who was outed, and it's a Rocky Mountain News story.
Conte, who surgically transferred from male to female in 1973, was outed by her fellow members of the Arvada City Council. (Confirmation: former Arvada City Council member Ted Terranova interview with Claire Martin for Conte's obituary." From the obituary (which should be published on 2/3 or 2/4/13: Sometime in late 1992 or early 1992, some council members at odds with Conte surreptitiously passed the hat to collect funds to pay a private investigator to look into her background. “Before I was Joanne’s ally, I was not her ally,” he said“I considered her an obstructionist, so when I was contacted by some people who said, ‘Let’s hire a PI and look into this person’s background.’ So I put in $100, and three or four others did, too. “We were not trying to find out of she was transgendered. We thought maybe she was a criminal who’d relocated, or maybe in witness protection. That should have been the end fo it, because her transfer from a man to a woman had nothing to do with her performance. Nonetheless, it created the scenario that ruined her political career.” — Preceding unsigned comment added by ByClaireMartin ( talk • contribs) 19:12, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
In the article about Serbian-Montenegrin basketball coach Duško Vujošević (BC Partizan Belgrade) I found one offensive nickname - svinja (that means pig in Serbian). This offensive nickname is used only by supporters of Red Star, Partizan biggest rival in Serbia. Real nickname of Mr Vujošević is Dule. So, if you want to use his full name (with nick) you should write it as Duško "Dule" Vujošević (Serbian: Душко "Дуле" Вујошевић), and remove "svinja" (Serbian: "свиња") word from this article. Please put this in order as soon as possible. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.91.173.31 ( talk) 11:30, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
In the opening paragraph, Mirzaev is described as a a Russian mixed martial artist of Dagestani heritage and murderer.
However, as it describes here ( http://rt.com/sport/mirzaev-agafonov-mma-manslaughter-777/ ), he was acquitted of the murder charge, and convicted of 'reckless manslaughter'. He has already been released from prison.
He apparently intends to continue his carrier in mixed martial arts, as well, which is also stated in the following link. http://www.sherdog.com/blog/Russian-Fighter-Rasul-Mirzaev-Training-for-Comeback-After-Manslaughter-Conviction-49311 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.69.108.231 ( talk) 14:34, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
A user User:Lstokes71 has removed all criticisms of the person the article is about - a former politician. The person has edited no article outside removing criticisms from this article - Special:Contributions/Lstokes71. It appears to be a clearly WP:COI. I don't want to get in an edit-war, but something needs to be done to make this follow WP:NPOV and not look like a glowing school report! -- Politicool ( talk) 21:58, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
1981 NEVER TOO MUCH NOT IN THE YEAR 1986 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.26.84.237 ( talk) 10:09, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
Paul Lutus ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Vanity article of non-notable nobody. -- 178.99.70.58 ( talk) 09:11, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
Elizabeth Truss ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) In recent days, a number of users have added a mention of an affair that reportedly took place in 2004-5. This was several years before the subject became a public figure, being elected to Parliament in 2010.
Two other users had made repeated attempts to insert this information several months ago: Daily Blue91 and Yum Yum Hornblower, both of whom were sockpuppets and blocked shortly afterwards.
While there are several citations about the story, my concern is that the sensitive private matter occurring several years *before* the subject became a public figure is in contravention of the BLP guidelines - in particular, "it is not Wikipedia's job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives: the possibility of harm to living subjects must always be considered when exercising editorial judgment. This policy applies to any living person mentioned in a BLP, whether or not that person is the subject of the article". Also, "the presumption in favor of privacy is strong in the case of family members of articles' subjects and other loosely involved, otherwise low-profile persons."
This is of particular relevance as the subject's husband is named on her Wikipedia page, and her daughters are referred to.
My view is that an appropriate balance had been struck by providing references to citations in the "Candidate" section of her entry expanding on the details of the matter, thus enabling people to see reports if they wish, yet not detailing the specifics explicitly in the article itself for the reasons I have outlined above.
(incidentally, I think the current wording at the end of the "Personal Life" section is in any case not neutral, with the inclusion of the loaded word "admitted".)
I'd be interested in your view. Many thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Upswift ( talk • contribs) 13:44, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
This submission is in regard to a New Deal article Edit Summary of January 17, 2013. A previous edit of mine provided two quotes from a New Deal official, using author ABC as a source. Another editor removed the quotes. The editor said that the New Deal official never said the second quote. This editor said in the Edit Summary that the second quote is "falsified." The editor said that author XYZ got it wrong. This editor did not provide any source for the falsification claim. In fact, the source was author ABC.
If there is a mistake by either author, it was in good faith. A claim of falsification implies dishonesty. I do not request adverse action against the editor. I think the Edit Summary should be redacted. Thank you for your consideration. LesLein ( talk) 18:50, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
Theresa Grentz ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Is that an ad for her camp that I see toward the bottom? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.83.201.185 ( talk) 05:01, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
Self-published sources and other published sources of dubious reliability may be used as sources in articles about themselves ... so long as the material is neither unduly self-serving nor an exceptional claim, books are self published and the page exists mainly to poste sales — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zaytuni ( talk • contribs) 15:31, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
Each of his books are publish on demand. Announcing this fact is not libelous. It dies however encourage other self published writers to use Wikipedia as a platform to sell their books. I know of several people who have written books and paid for a private publishing company to accept a donation or a straight out fee per copy. If I paid a publish on demand publisher like Xlibris Publishing to publish a collection of my short stories, would I too be eligible to have a Wiki page? Zaytuni ( talk) 07:03, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
Joel Brinkley ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Someone has been repeatedly writing slanderous material on my Wikipedia page realting to a column I wrote last week. I'm a syndicated columnist. I have removed it 5 or 6 times. But it keeps coming back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.64.33.130 ( talk) 19:46, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
This section is innapropriate and should be deleted or duly filled out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.253.98.18 ( talk) 23:27, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
Hello, could some fellow BLPers take a look at this article, I assume the event is notable enough to be worthy of an article(?), but the real concern here is that the article's creator and essentially sole contributor is
User:AnkhMorpork, who, due to an unhealthy interest in writing articles slanted to denigrate the British Muslim/Pakistani population, has subsequently been topic banned from all areas relating to Muslims or Islam broadly construed.
Relevant ANI decision here
Having encountered the above user at
Rochdale sex trafficking gang, my concerns are that there is a lot of WP:UNDUE information, and the article concerns itself with a lot of sensationalist, blow-by-blow (no pun intended) detail. Care to take a look and give it some thought? Cheers!
CaptainScreebo
Parley!
12:20, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
De-tabloided a bit. Collect ( talk) 20:10, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
The current version of the article is an unbalanced hatchet job on David Siegel. It focuses on a couple of questionable things he admitted to (perhaps jokingly) in the documentary The Queen of Versailles while omitting the important details of his life that were also covered in the documentary. Mathew5000 ( talk) 09:59, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
Oh and the ability to read Norwegian sources! lol, looks like this is a well-documented article, but there seems to be way too much bla bla, am on NPP, anybody care to take a pair of (Norwegian) sheep shears to it and tone it down a bit. Thanks! CaptainScreebo Parley! 18:50, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
Peter Hargitay ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
This article is not meeting any requirements for Biographies of living persons and contains potentially libelous material. It is furthermore an unknown person, boiling down the article to relevant material leeds to a one sentence article. I'd apply for a removal of the article. Tatwort ( talk) 12:56, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
Marion Jones was not convicted of, or even accused of, perjury, or lying to a grand jury. She was convicted of making false statements.
You can be convicted of "making false statements" for lying about growing corn in your backyard to the bagel lady. It is much broader than perjury.
Lying to the bagel lady is not the same thing as committing perjury.
Any notion that she admitted to violating an oath (perjury) is libelous. I do not have time as of now to cleanup her article, as well as other biographies of people who have been made felons for lying to the bagel lady such as Martha Stewart. Int21h ( talk) 20:37, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
An editor introduces sourced but very serious allegations into a high profile article. I remove them per WP:BLPCRIME, the other editor reintroduces them per WP:CRIME [7]. Considering the very high profile of the person, the very serious character of the allegations, and the sparsity of sources on it (indicating that almost no one took the allegations seriously), I would urge for the removal of them. Can people please take a look and voice their opinion? Fram ( talk) 20:47, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
This is basically a rehash of the issue I reported last time. 林木森森 has again reinstated direct translations of Fang's opinion on Christianity, which in my opinion paints a negative picture of Fang due to the brashness of Fang's own writing. (Though for what it's worth, as a native speaker of Chinese, I think their translations are fairly accurate—it's the decision to quote particularly unpleasant parts that bothers me.) There has been discussion on the article's talk page, and this diff contains each of our preferred versions. I am asking editors here to please review the dispute, and to hopefully establish some sort of clear consensus on this matter that will put it to rest for at least a few months. Thanks. wctaiwan ( talk) 17:03, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
There is a discussion at Talk:Suicide of Amanda Todd regarding the inclusion or exclusion of the high profile allegation by the group "Anonymous" regarding a person who has been stated by police as not to be the person who stalked the young lady on the internet. I am not sure that the main editors of the article should be the (sole) arbiters of whether this information should be included or not, and, if included, how much or how little. The discussion is taking place at this section of the talk page. I am bringing this here pre-defamation to seek to ensure that none takes place. Fiddle Faddle ( talk) 19:46, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
What seems faintly amusing is that the protagonists seem uninterested in coming here, and folk here are not interested in going there. Even so a wider discussion is most definitely required, somewhere. Fiddle Faddle ( talk) 23:33, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
Elliott Gould, whom she married...they divorced in 1971and Hilburn, Robert (November 30, 1997). "Barbra's bliss. Streisand is feeling settled". Chicago Sun-Times.
Her only marriage (to actor Elliott Gould) ended in divorce in 1971-- Jezebel'sPonyo bons mots 20:36, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
I won't add the sources but someone else may wish to.-- Canoe1967 ( talk) 21:51, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
In all fairness, I must clarify that the Wisconsin Gazette is a LGBT newspaper with pretty sound journalistic standads, not a blog. -- Orange Mike | Talk 17:31, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
There have been some issues with the addition and removal of negative information at Joel C. Rosenberg. I think the negative stuff is largely sourced poorly or to primary sources that may not be appropriate for a BLP. The addition and removal both feel wrong to me and I'm not sure how to weigh them (though I'm leaning strongly toward keeping the article as it stands). Could someone else take a look at it? Thanks, Hobit ( talk) 02:20, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
I previously nominated this for deletion on the basis that the subject was notable for only 1 event- there was no consensus with that so I embarked on a substantial clean-up. However I could do with a few more eyes looking it over, which is why I raise it here. I feel there is a substantial problem with the sources which are rarely little more than statements of fact [Storm was here on this date, etc.] it's not the sort of thing we would do for any other BLP - we don't keep a list of celebrity itineraries even though they are well documented we generally only note significant events which the BLP had a notable role in. The latest source addition extends to little more than a captioned photograph of Storm with David Cameron in an article that's nothing to do with Storm. Part of the problem (and my concern) stems from the fact that the subjects mother runs a P.R. company and appears to be pushing these minor press mentions and I don't think that's something we should be complicit in encouraging. Any Thoughts, Cleanups, or Deletion requests warmly received. Stuart.Jamieson ( talk) 15:27, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
Fred Phelps ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) has been edited today to add material about Al Gore based on Gore's 1983 Senate race where he expressed anti-homosexual views. Edits making it clear that Gore had rejected these views by the time he ran for president (he had the support of gay activist groups, took stick for wanting to allow gays in the military and had gay staff members). I've warned the editor for 3RR and BLP violation but I've edited twice. I think replacing the deleted material is warranted under 3rr but would prefer comments first. Dougweller ( talk) 16:54, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
Steven P. Croley ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Wanted to flag that the last section in the biography of Steve Croley (current deputy White House counsel) relates to his "attack on the Second Amendment," and then devolves into an accusation that AG Holder tried to create a propaganda campaign to attack the 2nd Amendment rights of D.C. residents. I'm not a regular Wikipedia user, so I'm not comfortable deleting/editing it myself, but wanted to flag the issue - seems in violation of the "neutral point of view" policy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.196.214.185 ( talk) 21:58, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
Additional eyes might be helpful here at the article and possibly on the talk page. There's also a redirect at Christopher Jordan Dorner. -- j⚛e decker talk 22:19, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
Several editors, based on their edits and edit summaries political opponents of Jamie Raskin, have been adding a large WP:UNDUE-violating section to the article. RNealK ( talk) 01:01, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
I have no opinion on this matter as far as having never heard of the guy before running across these edits, and I'm not from Maryland, so he isn't a representative, but SOMEbody needs to take care of this since I'm at my 3RR limit. RNealK ( talk) 02:03, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
this is a horribly biased article.
why on earth is her book: "men are pigs and deserve to die" not on her works list??
it should be front and center, also a whole section about her misandry, from what she states in that book alone. she also needs to be called into question for presenting herself as a supermodel, neurosurgeon, tennis pro and concert pianist. it's hilarious how out of character this wikipedia article is, safe to assume it was written by a misandric feminist or perhaps steinem herself — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.121.247.61 ( talk) 09:12, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
This really isn't an issue to debate on this noticeboard. If she wrote or co-wrote a book and it isn't in her bibliography, then add it there yourself. Gamaliel ( talk) 19:28, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
Category:British Columbia political scandals Seems to have people, roads, and even an island article in it. Should we rename it to articles containing scandals or just remove most of them?-- Canoe1967 ( talk) 17:39, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
Does Murder of Kasandra Shepherd have RS in any of the linked articles and if so, do those count?-- Canoe1967 ( talk) 01:08, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
I am seeking opinions on the small section which simply states that "Anthrobus was arrested in March 2007 for having sex in a public place, and fined £500" - complete with reliable source. Giant Snowman 18:58, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
I have just now s-protected Emmanuelle Riva. I regret doing this, because Riva is in the news, various IPs have been editing constructively, and s-protection is prompted by just two edits by the same person. (This person has also blanked the article, etc, but this doesn't concern me so very much.) See Talk:Emmanuelle Riva for why I s-protected the article (for one week, though I chose not to say that there). If any admin thinks that I have been overzealous, then fine, go ahead and unprotect (no need to ask me). But there'd then better be a team of sensible people with the article on their watchlists. -- Hoary ( talk) 02:39, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Wikipedians in the news need some attention, please. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:38, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
Edwin Edwards ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
The article states that Edwin Wdwards is Roman Catholic. Everyone knows that Governor Edwards is Protestant and a teetotler. He is a crook and a womanizer but has never dranl alcohol or ever claimed to be Roman catholic as far as anyone knows! Please correct. Very cursory research will reveal the facts... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.235.46.217 ( talk) 06:15, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
Wendy Williams ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
This page has many problems [8]. The first being an unsourced section about Ms. Williams' gender. The second is a paragraph about her husband's alleged affair with a transvestite which is sourced only by unreliable gossip websites. Lastly, the section on Nicole Spence's lawsuit very long (perhaps WP:UNDUE) and contains similar sourcing issues. -- Hirolovesswords ( talk) 17:06, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
Brahmanandam ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) My uncle who is a retired Bank officer told me that Mr.Bhrahmanandam was his classmate in high school and both of them have passed SSLC(xi class) in march 1966. One should have 15 years of age to do xi class, how could Mr.Brahmanandam did so as he was stvted to have born on 01-02-1956(at his 10 years of age?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Musarr ( talk • contribs) 18:43, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
Igli Tare ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Would someone with expertise in soccer and Series A please correct the page under Igli Tare?
Someone has removed his photo and lied about his career stats. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Usashqiptar ( talk • contribs) 20:18, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
In my opinion, this article is a coatrack for BLP attacks on some corporate executives. Deletion is being discussed at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Standby_Equity_Distribution_Agreement. I would appreciate it if other editors would take a look and comment, and if an administrator might consider closing the debate if they judge that consensus exists to do so. Thanks. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 23:58, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
Bodora is adding many, many incomplete reference urls that lack the standard "http://". This means that most of the references do not display properly. I'm not really complaining, but the article needs eyes on it and I'm not sure where else I could place this. -- Auric talk 02:06, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
I've started an RFC over at Stephen King's bio. As it involves BLP issues it might be of interest to editors who monitor BLP/N. Thanks. § FreeRangeFrog croak 02:39, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
This page should not be in wikipedia. This guy has not contributed anything to have a page of himself here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.0.108.214 ( talk) 15:17, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
I posted the following comments at the help desk and it was suggested that I bring it here instead:
[9]
There has been a significant edit war involving
2.158.15.126 and several other editors at
Pier Giuseppe Monateri. I have no involvement, nor do I have any intention of editng the article, but I noticed a comment here at the help desk previously from 2.158.15.126, who admitted to being the article's subject.
[10] He also made the same admission in his edit summary on one of his reverts.
[11] In both comments, he alluded to defamation. Although I am neutral regarding the dispute, it's clear that the content in question - the entire
"Legal problems" section - is extremely contentious. Interestingly, that happens to be the only content in the entire article that is sourced. (I do not know if the sources verify the content because they're all in Italian.) Finally, and perhaps most importantly, is the subject even notable? If not, it would seem that the issue causing the edit war is moot and the article should be deleted. I think this matter definitely deserves the attention of an experienced editor/administrator for resolution. Thank you very much. --
76.189.111.199 (
talk)
02:31, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
You are very welcome. I don't know if any sources can be found in English and whether he is notable to the English speaking world. I don't know if any notabilty in Italy or other countries qualify him for an article here.-- Canoe1967 ( talk) 03:50, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
As I have flagged up on Talk:John Seddon - the article is somewhat one-sided, and written (or edited) by Charlotte Pell, who works as a publicist for John Seddon, and an anonymous user that has only ever created this page. I am told this is possibly in breach of wikipedia rules re direct interests (my indirect interest is flagged in the talk page), and am flagging this up for wiser people than me to explore! FWIW, the article is not completely unbalanced hagiography, though it could be improved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wushinbo ( talk • contribs) 12:10, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
Mitos Magsaysay ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)-- Canoe1967 ( talk) 23:53, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
Maria Milagros "Mitos" Habana Magsaysay
Born on January 4, 1964 Married to Jesus Vicente "JV" Magsaysay Mother of 6 kids
Graduated from University of the Philippines with a degree of BS Business Administration
Deputy Minority Leader of the House of Representatives 3 terms Voted Most Outstanding Congressman for 5 consecutive years 2004-2009, 2011 Emeritus Hall of Fame Awardee
Known as Congresswoman Libre For the last 9 years, has provided the following everyday: Free Medical and Dental Check Ups Free doctors and dentists Free medicines from babies to senior citizens Free maintenance medicines for diabetes,arthritis,and hypertension to all senior citizens Free tooth extraction Free TB and Primary complex medication good for 9 months Free diagnostic laboratory: urinalysis ,fecalysis, blood chemistry,sugar and cholesterol tests,ECG Free drug test laboratory accredited by LTO
Free scholarships for tertiary education and skills training Free high school assistance to cover PTCA fees Free grade school assistance to cover PTCA fees
Very active and vocal legislator in the HOR especially on bills, issues, and laws that affect the citizenry.
Slogan:
Libreng Pagamutan, para healthy Kayo, Scholarship at Skills Training, para Magka-trabaho Kayo Kay MITOS, Kayo ang UNA!
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Hollyweirdcalifornia ( talk • contribs) 20:46, February 10, 2013
Input is needed from BLP experts at an RfC concerning possible BLP violations in the Jared Diamond article. Please post any comments at the RfC, not here, so the discussion is co-located. Thanks. -- Noleander ( talk) 00:08, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Katherine Hull-Kirk ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) Katherine Hull married Tom Kirk August 2nd 2012 and now goes by Katherine Hull-Kirk — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.255.239.28 ( talk) 00:27, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Tom Vilsack ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Please check the comment regarding his mother hiding Big Foot in the basement... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2404:9800:0:4:D227:88FF:FEBD:B56D ( talk) 03:36, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
IP trying to IMO coatrack the article, also I think they're at severalRR. I have edited, so won't block or semi, but would ask that someone should - David Gerard ( talk) 23:48, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
The addition of material contrary to WP:BLP and with a citation which does not support the claim in relation to QRpedia, continues at QRpedia. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:09, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Both articles are unwieldy press releases, and replete with unsourced or inadequately sourced promotional content, the former still bearing traces of its initial autobiographical structure, via Acousteau ( talk · contribs), the latter written in part by an account with the irresistible name GoodPRonline ( talk · contribs). Clean ups in order, to which I'll contribute, but I'd appreciate more eyes on these. 99.136.254.88 ( talk) 03:26, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
Adding further family bios, some of more dubious claim to notability, others unsourced or promotional in tone. 99.136.254.88 ( talk) 03:34, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
Poorly sourced and promotional biography. I've tried several times to remove the gallery blurb, and restored the COI, notability and reference templates multiple times, but the above accounts continue to edit war over these issues, and have provided mostly unacceptable links and sources....don't even try to remove them. I've also attempted discussion and issued warnings at user talk pages and article talk page, to no avail. I'd appreciate additional help with this, so as to alleviate the appearance of edit warring for my part, and to determine whether AfD is reasonable. 99.136.254.88 ( talk) 15:40, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
Well, here's a project, and might be worth saving. Trouble is, those who are most conscientiously attempting to improve the article are wounding it lethally; the current version is so bad I've marked it for speedy deletion as spam. 99.136.254.88 ( talk) 00:55, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
We seem to have found some consensus in incorporating the following, rather factual sentence:
"In an open letter given on January 22, 2013, Irvin confirmed his arrest, trial, and acquittal of rape in 1990."
What still seems to be in some amount of contention is whether or not the sentence which follows the above remains in accordance with BLP policy:
"Lloyd Irvin's defense was based on his claim of impotence while attempting intercourse with the alleged victim."
In the interest of transparency I should admit I'm in the camp of non-inclusion, which is why I'm asking here. Please and thanks. Buddy23Lee ( talk) 01:20, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
The infobox says Accused perpetrator of 2013 Southern California shootings. If charges have not been filed, it should instead say suspect in 2013 Southern California shootings (I made the same comment on the article's talk page before posting it here). Rybec ( talk) 04:11, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Elisabeth Moss ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Per sources, Elisabeth Moss self-identifies as an "actor" and that is correctly reflected in the body of the article. However, she is categorised in various "actress" categories. So do we leave it like that, or should the categories reflect how Ms Moss self-identifies?-- ukexpat ( talk) 16:45, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
I am frankly amazed that this entry has been allowed to remain unchallenged for so long. [comments removed per BLP] Despite mostly playing for teams that no-one has ever heard of, apparently Mr Roche "forced his way into [both of] these squads due to his commanding presence within the Dublin Institute of Technology squad". He also 'apparently' played for 'New York FC' which may sound impressive but is actually the equivalent of a non-league side in the UK and, even if it was a notable club - which it isn't - his playing 'career' is unverified. Please look into this and then delete on the grounds that a) the entry has obviously been almost entirely created by Mr Roche himself and b) he is simply not notable enough in this field to justify inclusion. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Woodseats44 ( talk • contribs) 17:04, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Various ips, and one user keep adding the title Trotona de Pontevedra which seems to mean the Trotter of Ponevedra. This seems to be a reference to his alleged behaviour, however I cannot be certain as I don't speak spanish, or live in spain. I have reverted once. Can anyone confirm this is pejorative. Martin451 ( talk) 23:09, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
An AP story in the Huffington Post,
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/08/dorner-manifesto_n_2644813.html
talks about the "manifesto police say was written by suspected killer Christopher Dorner," (emphasis added) while the 2013 Southern California shootings article says
In his online manifesto, Dorner [...]
and the Christopher Jordan Dorner article says
Christopher Dorner published a detailed communication [...]
Given that the man's whereabouts are unknown and he may be unable to speak for himself, I feel that a little skepticism would be suitable. I think a fair-minded person would admit to the possibilities that Dorner's online account was hacked, that the account never belonged to him in the first place, or that the police are not telling the truth. Even if true, statements by the police about a suspect are obviously POV. I looked at the sources given in the 2013 Southern California shootings article and none of them express any doubt that this manifesto was written by Dorner. I'm asking that the sort of qualification given by the AP article be included (see Wikipedia:CHERRY-PICK essay). Rybec ( talk) 03:12, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Here it is with the KABC reference in "cite web" form (intentionally not indented):
A manifesto posted [1] [2] [3] on Facebook, [6] which police say was written by Dorner, [7] declared " unconventional and asymmetric warfare" upon the Los Angeles Police Department, their families, and their associates, until the LAPD admitted publically he was fired in retaliation for reporting excessive force.
I was the one who asked yesterday about saying "accused" if charges hadn't been filed. As you can see, the KABC story says that charges have now been filed. Rybec ( talk) 04:41, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Henry E. Emerson ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Ben McLemore ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
There is a ridiculous Missouri fan changing a lot of the information on this page some of it is foul with foul language. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.236.151.50 ( talk) 06:55, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
So far restricted to talk page, but would like someone else to weight in there, so its not a 1 on 1 "consensus". Editor saying accusations of REDACTED should be included in article. I think such content is clearly not well sourced enough, even to say "so and so has alleged", and beyond that the vast majority of the (poorly sourced) allegation does not strictly qualify as REDACTED. Not sure, but I believe such an accusation even on the talk page may violate BLP? (Does this post right here do so as well?) Gaijin42 ( talk) 22:04, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Review Raja ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
User talk:Icykle claims to be the Co-creator of Review Raja, namely Rajeev Kugan. He contacted me via email and wished to make following change, which I reverted earlier, because the source stated otherwise: diff. I don't know, what do. I think it's a case for somebody who knows what to do in this case.-- Dravidianhero ( talk) 01:58, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
There is an ongoing dispute about quotations about the dismissal of state charges against Aaron Swartz after the institution of federal charges. One editor is adamant that the quotes are a WP:BLP violation as to Carmen Ortiz. At least three editors (including me) disagree. But we're repeating ourselves and have started shedding more heat than light (myself included.) We could use some fresh eyes. The various contentions are well-explained here and here. David in DC ( talk) 13:30, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
Alexander Misharin ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Please see the latest article history on the addition/removal of material about KrasAir. It's a little hard for me to judge the material because I don't speak Russian and had the benefit of only a machine translation, but the material being added strikes me as WP:SYNTHESIS and WP:COATRACKy. Also, it lacks context because it doesn't really explain why the prosecutor supposedly warned Misharin (I got a bit confused by the translation as to who was warning whom for what). As worded by the editor adding the material, it is not particularly helpful to the reader. I'm going to revert one more time and then let others decide.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 16:59, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
User:Riordanlj, created 2013-02-07, seems to have been removing content from the Linda Riordan article - a UK Member of Parliament as it happens. Content removed is generally critical of the article subject. The most recent edit summary (from this diff) claims "These statements were factually incorrect and I will take further action if you continuebto print". I've left a note on the users page suggesting that they make themselves aware of BLP policies and WP:LEGAL. The criticism is all sourced, although it may be that the reliability of the information in the sources is questionable - wouldn't be the first time this has happened of course. If someone with more experience can have a check on the article it would be handy. Blue Square Thing ( talk) 18:01, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
He was one of many officials named in a newspaper article criticizing the payments these officials got when they left office, and the size of the pensions they could receive. Someone deleted the amount of his pension (which was properly sourced), and I reverted it. Now someone using a different IP address has deleted it again and added a poorly-sourced statement that "he has not drawn down any pension payments to date."
The edit summary here shows why the statement is poorly sourced:
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Barry_Andrews_%28politician%29&diff=537683291&oldid=537585360
This shows the overall changes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Barry_Andrews_%28politician%29&diff=537737571&oldid=537585360
Rybec ( talk) 21:41, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
It all worked out in the end, but for future reference WP:Requested articles is the appropriate venue for such requests.-- ukexpat ( talk) 16:24, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Chien-Chi Chang ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Chien-Chi Chang is no longer married to Cheryl Lai, who is described as the head of Taiwan's news service.
And he now resides in Austria and New York City.
He just told me that this material was erroneous in his bio and that he doesn't even know who put it up. I am a friend and the writer of Double Happiness. Chien-Chi can be reached through Magnum Photo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Claudiadowling ( talk • contribs) 13:55, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Andrey Borodin ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Entry has been maliciously vandalized. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scannerpage ( talk • contribs) 20:34, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Meredith Monroe ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
There is a reservation as to whether Meredith Monroe biography is accurate as there is no concrete evidence to support what her birth name is - Meredith Leigh Monroe or Meredith Hoyt Monroe. I believe Wikipedia has removed a lot of information off her page including her birth date simply as no one is sure whether she was born in 1976 or 1969.
Therefore there is a question should Wikipedia still list her as Meredith Leigh Monroe rather than Meredith Hoyt Monroe. I ask this question, as there are a lot of inconsistences within her biography. Whilst known as Meredith Hoyt Monroe from the time frame 1997 – 2004 she was know either to be born in 1977 or 1976. Later from around 2004/5 onward she started to be referred as Meredith Leigh Monroe born 1970, 1969 or 1968. However the timeline of events when Meredith is know, as Leigh is a bit dubious.
The first reports of Meredith lying about her age came from a website The Iconophile who still refers to her as Hoyt and claims High School friends had contact him saying she was born in 1970. On the Wikipedia Talk page again there is a comment made that Meredith gradate High School in 1988. Even though people have made these claims no one has mentioned which High School she attended and there is no record in the public domain of any pictures or yearbook evidence. As many celebrities have there yearbook pictures on various website it seem odd that no one as posted Meredith. Also if it is in the public domain which University she attended why has the High School she attended not been listed?
The second mystery is the University she attend the Millikin University. A University not known for its performing arts but more for its liberal arts and fine arts. Should we follow Meredith Leigh Monroe born in 1969 education and work history she would have graduated High School in 1988, university in 1991 only then to start modelling and acting in 1997. At the age of 28 is seem odd for a woman to then start to model for teenage magazines and play teenage roles. If we start with Meredith early work it shows that her first job was modelling for a teenage magazine, a jumper catalogue and the Nancy Drew books, At All Cost published in Oct 1997, Royal Revenge Dec 1997, Operations Titanic Feb 1998 and Process of Elimination April 1998. Plus doing teenage roles in Norville and Trudy 1997, Dangerous Minds 1997, Hang Time 1997, Sunset Beach 1998, Beyond the Prairie; The True Story of Laura Ingalls Wilder 1999 and Dawson Creek 2000. If we look at time frame it doesn’t really make sense and a little farfetched that someone goes through the education system works outside of the media industry for 6 years only to change career at 28 to play teenager parts. If Kerr Smith age was noticed on Dawson Creek so should have Meredith especially if people were claiming she was the oldest cast member rather than after the show ended.
As there is no reliable source to say if Meredith was born Meredith Hoyt Monroe or Meredith Leigh Monroe how is her biography accurate? Unlike the other cast members on Dawson Creek there is no information on family or High School records within the public domain to verify her birth name or age. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jay99a ( talk • contribs) 21:05, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Could you please clarify what or where your reliable source is as it may help to clear up Meredith Monroe date of birth as well. The point I was trying to make was the name change is associated to her change in date of birth and the two time frames.
Born in 1976 when better know as Meredith Hoyt Monroe her life events would have followed, graduated High School in 1994. University in 1997 and began first modelling job possible 1997/6 if started whilst at University or straight after. As it has always been stated that Meredith first model for the Nancy Drew book and did small television commercials in 1997 and then moved into film and soaps later around 1998. Details can be found on her official website.
However when later known a Meredith Leigh Monroe born in 1969 she would have graduated High School in 1988. University in 1991 only then to have waited 6 years to start modelling in 1997 making her aged 28 with no account of what she had done in the 6 years in between University and working. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jay99a ( talk • contribs) 10:39, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
Editors Amadscientist and UsetheCommandLine are asserting that Huey Newton (whose 1989 death is confirmed) and Bert Schneider (whose 2011 death is confirmed) are both covered by WP:BLP under the recent clause. Amadscientist asserts that anyone who was born less than 115 years ago, even if confirmed dead, is covered.
This needs to be clarified. I might understand recent to mean 6 months, a year....even two years at the outside. If someone has been dead for 24 years, I do not see how this can be considered "recent."
Please clarify. Thanks. Apostle12 ( talk) 21:52, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
This is the edit (or the reversion of the multiple edits that were removed) that started the long discussion that has developed over the last week or so.
It appeared to me that the outcome of these talks suggested that both Newton and Schneider were covered by WP:BLP policies. I would note that Amadscientist was one of the WP:DRN volunteers handling the original dispute re:Schneider.
Subsequently, this edit was made by an IP editor. Discussion ensued. I believe I have laid out my concerns adequately already in that discussion, namely, coverage (or not) of Newton by WP:BLP and a related WP:RS concern. -- UseTheCommandLine ( talk) 22:19, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
My understanding is that the "recently deceased" applies for one year after the subject's death. I am not aware of any more strict definition than this. Yworo ( talk) 00:24, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
I attempted to improve the Jane Davidson article today by adding more reliable sources and making it fit WP:NPOV better. But again a single purpose account has remove the criticisms of the subject, and even the references to its removal from the talk page. An admin has reverted the edits once, but it seems a lot of new users want this article censored! - Politicool ( talk) 01:44, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
Ravi Singh ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
This biography was deleted (without discussion) and reposted with slight revision. This biography lacks NPOV, Verifiability (many of the sources are questionable websites which published the subjects press release), Writing style is clearly promotional. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Banchasana ( talk • contribs) 06:16, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
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Which I strangely interpret to be an accusation of a crime ("illegally") requiring strong sourcing as a contentious claim. The AP statement is clearly speculation only - thus I suggest it does not meet the BLP requirements, The claim clearly affects the grandfather, who is not stated to be dead, as well as Marco Rubio as it is placed in his direct BLP. The article is not about the grandfather otherwise at all. Is the AP surmise sufficient for the insertion of a criminal claim into a BLP? I would note that no source other than the AP surmise has been presented for the accusation of a crime. Collect ( talk) 11:58, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
Paul Matia was NOT succeeded in the Ohio Senate by Lee Fisher. He was actually succeeded by NO ONE. Redistricting (technically called apportionment) eliminated his west side Cuyahoga County district placing half in each of two adjacent Senate districts where the incumbents were mid term. Paul effectively was a man without a district. Lee Fisher was elected to a new district on the east side of Cuyahoga County and no part of either district overlapped. For whatever it is worth I was given part of his district and still had two years to serve on my 4 year term. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.101.219.1 ( talk) 14:33, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
Samer Tariq Issawi ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
The current bio of Samer Tariq Issawi defines the Palestinian political activist Samer Tariq Issawi as a "terrorist", which is a definition clearly in breach of the neutral point of view rule. In fact he was captured by Israel during the Israeli invasion of the West Bank and charged of possession of weapons and forming military groups in Jerusalem. The charges were levied not by a neutral party but by a military enemy, so they cannot be taken as a proof of the prisoner's wrongdoing. More importantly, even these biased charges did not include murder, so the definition of "terrorist" is not only inappropriate but also defamatory in this case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maxillinus ( talk • contribs) 16:36, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
Komarov is a current NHL player who was born in 1987 in Narva. Here's the problem: Which should be used as Komarov's birth country? The Soviet Union or Estonia? IMHO, this problem covers all people born in countries, which no longer exists. GoodDay ( talk) 17:07, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
Here are 3 maps of the Soviet Union
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[23], which clearly show Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia as being within the USSR. More maps can be provided.
GoodDay (
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Let's get back to the original topic. We are expected to link to the de facto government under which Komarov was born, because it is the de facto government (in the example case, the ESSR of the CCCP), which controlled the subject's life. I may not recognize the legitimacy of the Soviet occupation of Estonia; but the fact is that Komarov was born into a state ruled by the Estonian SSR, not the Estonian government-in-exile, just as patriots like Padraic Pearse were born in what was then the United Kingdom, though they gave their lives that a free Ireland could be "a nation once again." -- Orange Mike | Talk 20:27, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
One more in agreement with Lvivske, Orange Mike, et al. De facto is more important than de jure here. -- GRuban ( talk) 23:17, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Google news for the period 1945 to 1990:
"Riga, Latvia" was the common name for that WP:PLACE during that period. -- Nug ( talk) 22:51, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
UPU: [36] On 19 May 1922, Estonia joined the Universal Postal Union. . [37] also shows the 1922 date (and is an official source). [38] is also a reliable source. Should an air service be established between U.S.S.R. and Estonia, the Contracting Parties agree to use such service as much as possible for the conveyance of mail is found in a Soviet treaty! [39] The Soviet Union itself had a postal teaty with Estonia! Not only do we have RS statements that Estonia joined the UPU in 1922, but also that the Soviet Union recognised the sovereignty of Estonia in its postal treaty with Estonia. 1921 League of Nations source [40]. [41] Estonia was still recognised as a member of the LoN as of 18 April 1946. [42] Estonia was an initial signatory to the "Slavery Convention." [43] Signatory to Treaty of Paris. [44] Geneva Convention. Thus reliable sources show Estonia was a member of the UPU from 1922, was a signatory to major treaties and conventions, was a member of the LoN until 1946 etc. If you need even more soursces to end the silly claim that Estonia was not considered separate by other nations etc., try to find some sources for your claims. Cheers. Collect ( talk) 14:16, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
It looks like Prince Abdi is going to survive the AfD, so it needs to be watched as it's frequently the subject of vandalism attacks. RNealK ( talk) 23:50, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Could experienced editors please keep an eye on Steve Stockman? This is a high-profile individual at the moment and the article is a mess. There are a huge number of citation needed tags, I've found some cases where sentences are copied or closely paraphrased from cited sources and there are some POV issues. For instance: "A Houston Chronicle article reminds that "Stockman’s two years in Congress were marked by weirdness". Another example: Stockman's opponent was described as: "A native of Coffeyville in southeastern Kansas, and a supporter of U.S. President Barack H. Obama" (the opponent's place of birth is irrelevant and may have been mentioned to imply that he's an outsider to the district, the H. in Obama's name is also conspicuous). Stockman is generating a lot of controversy so this article will need some close attention. GabrielF ( talk) 01:12, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Joel Brinkley ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Someone has been repeatedly writing slanderous material on my Wikipedia page realting to a column I wrote last week. I'm a syndicated columnist. I have removed it 5 or 6 times. But it keeps coming back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.64.33.130 ( talk) 19:46, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
I am bringing this conversation back up for debate. While I agree that the negative comments should not be there, I believe that there is good reason to include the information about the above mentioned controversy. Chrisvanlang ( talk) 23:29, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
(outdent) I found Brinkley's piece, dated February 1st, at http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-02-01/news/sns-201301291330--tms--amvoicesctnav-c20130129-20130129_1_dog-meat-da-nang-meat-eaters . It still contains the controversial statements. At the bottom it says:
Editor’s note: Tribune Media Services, which distributed this article, issued a follow-up statement on Friday, February 1:
Tribune Media Services (TMS) recently moved an opinion column by Joel Brinkley about his observations from a trip to Vietnam that did not meet our journalistic standards. The column has provoked a highly critical response from readers since its release.
TMS has a rigorous editing process for its content, and in the case of Brinkley’s column that moved Jan. 29, all the required steps did not occur. We regret that this happened, and we will be vigilant in ensuring that our editing process works in the future.
(the same apology is reproduced on jimromenesko.com). Opinion pieces are supposed to cause controversy. I think it's unusual for a newspaper chain to apologize and try to hide for an editorial. This is not trivial.
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