- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. Nobody supports outright deletion, but opinions are split between merge/redirect and keep. Sandstein 14:10, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
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I don't see a single reliable source that talks about the character mainly, except a recently announced game starring "Young Xehanort", but not about the character. Most of the sources at reception were game reviews and listicles. GreenishPickle! ( 🔔) 13:28, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Video games, and Japan. Deltaspace42 ( talk • contribs) 14:19, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- I tried using that tool you showed me in discord and found several articles focused on Xehanort. Added at least three of them to reception for now.
Tintor2 (
talk)
14:40, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- Do we need more than three to keep the article up?
Matthew Cenance (
talk)
19:15, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- What? There are several scholars besides video game journalists discussing the character and his multiple incarnations so I'm lost Tintor2 ( talk) 21:45, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- Do we need more than three to keep the article up?
Matthew Cenance (
talk)
19:15, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Tintor2's sources showing notability. DaniloDaysOfOurLives ( talk) 00:54, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 18:40, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Characters of Kingdom Hearts#Xehanort, the sources provide only minor justification and do not break down any sort of quirks with Xehanort. The rest of it is just plot mentions. Conyo14 ( talk) 20:33, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect per Conyo14. There aren't enough sources for WP:SIGCOV, but it's a possible search term and an acceptable WP:ATD. Shooterwalker ( talk) 16:22, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I removed every single review of the games and DLC, leaving only articles that focus on the character. Tintor2 ( talk) 19:03, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: More explicit analysis of extant sourcing would be helpful in determining notability.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 22:02, 19 January 2024 (UTC)- Keep I feel the reception could use some touch-ups in places (As there are quite a few details I'd expunge) but there definitely seems to be some sign of notability from a quick perusal. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 ( talk) 17:11, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Rearranged the reception and removed some spammed images. Honestly, I don't know what else is needed considering the section already talks about his amnesiac incarnation, his antagonism with the main characters, his original elder characterization, his confusing plans, his relationship with a childhood friend, his death and whether or not the next villain in the franchise will live up to his legacy. No reviews used at all.
Tintor2 (
talk)
23:44, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
- All can be merged to an under-section about Xehanort in the redirect above. Conyo14 ( talk) 17:22, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep with new sources - but SHORTEN! This is ridiculously overlong. Llajwa ( talk) 20:53, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Tintor2's improvements. Toughpigs ( talk) 01:38, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Characters of Kingdom Hearts#Xehanort: Fails GNG, fancruft. Sources in the article are not WP:IS WP:RS with WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. // Timothy :: talk 07:16, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Owen× ☎ 15:19, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Characters of Kingdom Hearts#Xehanort. I am not seeing any sources that meet WP:SIGCOV, another gigantic article about a video game character based on impressive collection of passing mentions (sentence here, half a sentnece there...). Merge since this is valuable content, it just is not enough for a stand-alone article. Ping me if you want to disagree, with links to 2+ sources that contain SIGCOV coverage that goes beyond a plot summary. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:57, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge: Even with the edits, doesn't seem like there's enough meat to justify a standalone article. -- ProtoDrake ( talk) 12:26, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: With the improvements made, I don't think a merge is warranted or deserved. There's enough here to satisfy the WP:GNG, IMO. MoonJet ( talk) 05:09, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Keep per Tintor's edits which give this article has enough sources to pass GNG. I believe that this article is well written enough to not fall under WP:FANCRUFT. It's not a simple plot summary. Swordman97 talk to me 06:09, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. Nobody supports outright deletion, but opinions are split between merge/redirect and keep. Sandstein 14:10, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
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- Xehanort ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
I don't see a single reliable source that talks about the character mainly, except a recently announced game starring "Young Xehanort", but not about the character. Most of the sources at reception were game reviews and listicles. GreenishPickle! ( 🔔) 13:28, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Video games, and Japan. Deltaspace42 ( talk • contribs) 14:19, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- I tried using that tool you showed me in discord and found several articles focused on Xehanort. Added at least three of them to reception for now.
Tintor2 (
talk)
14:40, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- Do we need more than three to keep the article up?
Matthew Cenance (
talk)
19:15, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- What? There are several scholars besides video game journalists discussing the character and his multiple incarnations so I'm lost Tintor2 ( talk) 21:45, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- Do we need more than three to keep the article up?
Matthew Cenance (
talk)
19:15, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Tintor2's sources showing notability. DaniloDaysOfOurLives ( talk) 00:54, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 18:40, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Characters of Kingdom Hearts#Xehanort, the sources provide only minor justification and do not break down any sort of quirks with Xehanort. The rest of it is just plot mentions. Conyo14 ( talk) 20:33, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect per Conyo14. There aren't enough sources for WP:SIGCOV, but it's a possible search term and an acceptable WP:ATD. Shooterwalker ( talk) 16:22, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I removed every single review of the games and DLC, leaving only articles that focus on the character. Tintor2 ( talk) 19:03, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: More explicit analysis of extant sourcing would be helpful in determining notability.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 22:02, 19 January 2024 (UTC)- Keep I feel the reception could use some touch-ups in places (As there are quite a few details I'd expunge) but there definitely seems to be some sign of notability from a quick perusal. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 ( talk) 17:11, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Rearranged the reception and removed some spammed images. Honestly, I don't know what else is needed considering the section already talks about his amnesiac incarnation, his antagonism with the main characters, his original elder characterization, his confusing plans, his relationship with a childhood friend, his death and whether or not the next villain in the franchise will live up to his legacy. No reviews used at all.
Tintor2 (
talk)
23:44, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
- All can be merged to an under-section about Xehanort in the redirect above. Conyo14 ( talk) 17:22, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep with new sources - but SHORTEN! This is ridiculously overlong. Llajwa ( talk) 20:53, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Tintor2's improvements. Toughpigs ( talk) 01:38, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Characters of Kingdom Hearts#Xehanort: Fails GNG, fancruft. Sources in the article are not WP:IS WP:RS with WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. // Timothy :: talk 07:16, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Owen× ☎ 15:19, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Characters of Kingdom Hearts#Xehanort. I am not seeing any sources that meet WP:SIGCOV, another gigantic article about a video game character based on impressive collection of passing mentions (sentence here, half a sentnece there...). Merge since this is valuable content, it just is not enough for a stand-alone article. Ping me if you want to disagree, with links to 2+ sources that contain SIGCOV coverage that goes beyond a plot summary. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:57, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge: Even with the edits, doesn't seem like there's enough meat to justify a standalone article. -- ProtoDrake ( talk) 12:26, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: With the improvements made, I don't think a merge is warranted or deserved. There's enough here to satisfy the WP:GNG, IMO. MoonJet ( talk) 05:09, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Keep per Tintor's edits which give this article has enough sources to pass GNG. I believe that this article is well written enough to not fall under WP:FANCRUFT. It's not a simple plot summary. Swordman97 talk to me 06:09, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.