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The result was delete. Notability not positively established. The sources about various recordings and releases seem to dissolve under more scrutiny. —ScottyWong— 16:46, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
Sung-Hee Kim-Wüst
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No indication that this person meets any criterion of notability. Nothing on JSTOR, no verifiable hit on Gbooks, two hits on Gnews, one of which I have added as a ref. Some previous content (which I have removed) was copied verbatim – with appropriate OTRS permission – from her website, and then translated here. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 13:31, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep. Worldcat lists two albums released by Naxos, a well-known classical label, and an additional two released by
ARS Produktion. The two released by Naxos are enough to pass
WP:NBAND. As well, the international touring, if verified, would be an independent basis for passing
WP:NBAND.
Eastmain (
talk •
contribs)
15:24, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
- @ Eastmain: as far as I can tell, these are offered by Naxos Digital Services, which is a streaming service; the 2 CDs are not actually released by Naxos themselves, Naxos offers music from many publishers on their Digital Services. Looking at the track list, these are simply the two ARS CDs offered digitally, nothing more or less. Fram ( talk) 10:23, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
- @ Eastmain: I always botch my pings... Fram ( talk) 10:24, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
- Kim-Wüst's New York concert CD was originally released by Sony (According to subjects homepage), but it's not available anymore.
Grimes2 (
talk)
11:19, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
- ...and is completely unverifiable, not a trace of it seems to exist? So hardly a relevant element for an AfD.
Fram (
talk)
11:42, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
- You're right, but the Concert in New York happened. There are sources. This makes her notable for me. Grimes2 ( talk) 11:52, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
- ...and is completely unverifiable, not a trace of it seems to exist? So hardly a relevant element for an AfD.
Fram (
talk)
11:42, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
- Kim-Wüst's New York concert CD was originally released by Sony (According to subjects homepage), but it's not available anymore.
Grimes2 (
talk)
11:19, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. Added some sources, seems to me notable. Grimes2 ( talk) 10:49, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
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- Not convinced by the sourcing or achievements, just a few small regional concerts (and not many even of them).
Another one that at least mentions the Leschetizky award, but I'd be surprised if they actually verified it. —
Kusma (
talk)
12:38, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
- But anyway, this is sort of what the competition was like back then, if I understand it correctly. It is for younger students now. Anyway, here is a primary source proof that the concert took place. It isn't enough to establish notability if you ask me, but it can be verified. — Kusma ( talk) 12:47, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
- I started taking a look through the article; but as you can see once the really routine stuff is removed what is left is basically this, which looks like probably a self-submitted biography as part of, you've guessed it, programme notes for a concert (K26 on that list). So Delete as failing GNG. In addition, the keeps are unconvincing, as unsupported assertions of notability and the (non-passing) of a (non-relevant) SNG (which does not override GNG anyway) aren't good arguments to the lack of coverage (which creates a WP:V issue). RandomCanadian ( talk / contribs) 12:25, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- Weak delete. - I think the two recordings for ARS are worth something, I agree with Fram regarding the Naxos offerings. I tried all the avenues I could think of, and found no sources not already in the article. Institut für bildnerisches Denken is a staff profile page. "Chopin als Musiker und Mensch" is a press release. Chopin-Gesellschaft is exactly the same as the previous. Schumann-Portal is a quote from a review of one of the ARS CDs, which *may* indicate that that a larger review of the topic's performance style exists. Hence the "weak" delete. It wouldn't take much more to push this into notability territory, but I don't think it's quite there yet. 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 15:06, 15 September 2021 (UTC) PS I could find no trace of the supposed Sony release. A catalog # would be sufficient for wp:v. 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 16:24, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- Her two CDs (produced by her husband): Sony CC971101 (Kammermusiksaal, Beethoven-Haus Bonn) and Sony CC991203 (Carnegie Weill Hall, New York), but no traces in Internet except subjects Homepage
Grimes2 (
talk)
17:58, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you very much. No matter how I parse it, I can't confirm these actually exist, with or without the topic's participation. Nor do those catalog number fit within any of Sony's catalog numbering schemes. I'm becoming a bit more dubious, but I truly want to extend my appreciation for the effort you've put into this.
78.26 (
spin me /
revolutions)
18:23, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- Seems to be self produced. It's not Sony Records, it's Sony DADC
Sony Digital Audio Disc Corporation.
Grimes2 (
talk)
18:26, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- Ah yes. Well done! 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 18:39, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- Seems to be self produced. It's not Sony Records, it's Sony DADC
Sony Digital Audio Disc Corporation.
Grimes2 (
talk)
18:26, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you very much. No matter how I parse it, I can't confirm these actually exist, with or without the topic's participation. Nor do those catalog number fit within any of Sony's catalog numbering schemes. I'm becoming a bit more dubious, but I truly want to extend my appreciation for the effort you've put into this.
78.26 (
spin me /
revolutions)
18:23, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- Her two CDs (produced by her husband): Sony CC971101 (Kammermusiksaal, Beethoven-Haus Bonn) and Sony CC991203 (Carnegie Weill Hall, New York), but no traces in Internet except subjects Homepage
Grimes2 (
talk)
17:58, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Notability not positively established. The sources about various recordings and releases seem to dissolve under more scrutiny. —ScottyWong— 16:46, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
Sung-Hee Kim-Wüst
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No indication that this person meets any criterion of notability. Nothing on JSTOR, no verifiable hit on Gbooks, two hits on Gnews, one of which I have added as a ref. Some previous content (which I have removed) was copied verbatim – with appropriate OTRS permission – from her website, and then translated here. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 13:31, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep. Worldcat lists two albums released by Naxos, a well-known classical label, and an additional two released by
ARS Produktion. The two released by Naxos are enough to pass
WP:NBAND. As well, the international touring, if verified, would be an independent basis for passing
WP:NBAND.
Eastmain (
talk •
contribs)
15:24, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
- @ Eastmain: as far as I can tell, these are offered by Naxos Digital Services, which is a streaming service; the 2 CDs are not actually released by Naxos themselves, Naxos offers music from many publishers on their Digital Services. Looking at the track list, these are simply the two ARS CDs offered digitally, nothing more or less. Fram ( talk) 10:23, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
- @ Eastmain: I always botch my pings... Fram ( talk) 10:24, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
- Kim-Wüst's New York concert CD was originally released by Sony (According to subjects homepage), but it's not available anymore.
Grimes2 (
talk)
11:19, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
- ...and is completely unverifiable, not a trace of it seems to exist? So hardly a relevant element for an AfD.
Fram (
talk)
11:42, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
- You're right, but the Concert in New York happened. There are sources. This makes her notable for me. Grimes2 ( talk) 11:52, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
- ...and is completely unverifiable, not a trace of it seems to exist? So hardly a relevant element for an AfD.
Fram (
talk)
11:42, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
- Kim-Wüst's New York concert CD was originally released by Sony (According to subjects homepage), but it's not available anymore.
Grimes2 (
talk)
11:19, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. Added some sources, seems to me notable. Grimes2 ( talk) 10:49, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:24, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
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- Not convinced by the sourcing or achievements, just a few small regional concerts (and not many even of them).
Another one that at least mentions the Leschetizky award, but I'd be surprised if they actually verified it. —
Kusma (
talk)
12:38, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
- But anyway, this is sort of what the competition was like back then, if I understand it correctly. It is for younger students now. Anyway, here is a primary source proof that the concert took place. It isn't enough to establish notability if you ask me, but it can be verified. — Kusma ( talk) 12:47, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
- I started taking a look through the article; but as you can see once the really routine stuff is removed what is left is basically this, which looks like probably a self-submitted biography as part of, you've guessed it, programme notes for a concert (K26 on that list). So Delete as failing GNG. In addition, the keeps are unconvincing, as unsupported assertions of notability and the (non-passing) of a (non-relevant) SNG (which does not override GNG anyway) aren't good arguments to the lack of coverage (which creates a WP:V issue). RandomCanadian ( talk / contribs) 12:25, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- Weak delete. - I think the two recordings for ARS are worth something, I agree with Fram regarding the Naxos offerings. I tried all the avenues I could think of, and found no sources not already in the article. Institut für bildnerisches Denken is a staff profile page. "Chopin als Musiker und Mensch" is a press release. Chopin-Gesellschaft is exactly the same as the previous. Schumann-Portal is a quote from a review of one of the ARS CDs, which *may* indicate that that a larger review of the topic's performance style exists. Hence the "weak" delete. It wouldn't take much more to push this into notability territory, but I don't think it's quite there yet. 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 15:06, 15 September 2021 (UTC) PS I could find no trace of the supposed Sony release. A catalog # would be sufficient for wp:v. 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 16:24, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- Her two CDs (produced by her husband): Sony CC971101 (Kammermusiksaal, Beethoven-Haus Bonn) and Sony CC991203 (Carnegie Weill Hall, New York), but no traces in Internet except subjects Homepage
Grimes2 (
talk)
17:58, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you very much. No matter how I parse it, I can't confirm these actually exist, with or without the topic's participation. Nor do those catalog number fit within any of Sony's catalog numbering schemes. I'm becoming a bit more dubious, but I truly want to extend my appreciation for the effort you've put into this.
78.26 (
spin me /
revolutions)
18:23, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- Seems to be self produced. It's not Sony Records, it's Sony DADC
Sony Digital Audio Disc Corporation.
Grimes2 (
talk)
18:26, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- Ah yes. Well done! 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 18:39, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- Seems to be self produced. It's not Sony Records, it's Sony DADC
Sony Digital Audio Disc Corporation.
Grimes2 (
talk)
18:26, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you very much. No matter how I parse it, I can't confirm these actually exist, with or without the topic's participation. Nor do those catalog number fit within any of Sony's catalog numbering schemes. I'm becoming a bit more dubious, but I truly want to extend my appreciation for the effort you've put into this.
78.26 (
spin me /
revolutions)
18:23, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- Her two CDs (produced by her husband): Sony CC971101 (Kammermusiksaal, Beethoven-Haus Bonn) and Sony CC991203 (Carnegie Weill Hall, New York), but no traces in Internet except subjects Homepage
Grimes2 (
talk)
17:58, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
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