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Weak Merge. I feel the article generally has enough information to be a viable article, but the things mentioned in the Reception and Legacy section are generally lacking in notability outside of a few exceptions. Some of the stuff they link to lack articles or redirects entirely. I feel it's a few good sources away from being kept without any debate, but unfortunately, in its current state, I feel it should be merged into the
List of Touhou Project Characters article.
Pokelego999 (
talk)
01:01, 29 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Merge Searching didn't find anything that really merits the character having an article that I found. It's surprising to have no touhou articles on wikipedia, but at the same time this ain't it.--
Kung Fu Man (
talk)
04:40, 29 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Weak merge. There is some interesting stuff regarding Internet memes, but nothing in the aricle right now strikes me as meeting
WP:SIGCOV, it's pretty much fancruft+collection of trivia. Do let me know if any serioius (academic or non-fansite journalistic) sources are found and I'd be happy to reconsider my vote. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here07:03, 29 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Comment The thing about attempting to look for sources is that when attempting to look for sources, the most I found were from sites that are either deemed unreliable or from user-generated fan sites. The lack of non user-generated reviews for the main series games don't help either, at least from what I've found so far. That being said, I'll attempt to find the final references later in terms of overall reception and also trim some biographical information.
SuperSkaterDude45 (
talk)
18:18, 29 June 2023 (UTC)reply
The key is not to force the creation of an article when sources aren't out there. Gather up the sources first before even trying to write it and ask yourself whether they would hold up if its notability is challenged. Otherwise you end up with articles that are probably better being done on FANDOM.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
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23:55, 29 June 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Zxcvbnm: Thing is that this is currently the fourth fictional character article I've written here and from what I've gathered from prior discussions are that protagonists generally have less requirements for notability then say, a side character. This isn't even mentioning that prior articles had notability issues... despite having a sizeable amount of content regarding notability. Regardless, I'll be looking to expand it once more for final thoughts to be made. Either that or I'll probably continue to work on it on my sandbox if it gets relegated to a redirect once more.
SuperSkaterDude45 (
talk)
02:01, 30 June 2023 (UTC)reply
So I recently spent the past three days attempting to find references and results were pretty scarce when it came to non-user generated reviews with the few reviews I could find often times focusing purely on gameplay and music rather than story. Despite this, I did gather enough sources to give the Reception section its own area, creating a new section for popularity. I still don't know if this is enough to justify a standalone article but given reliable sources for gaming were already used and further expanded, potential sources for new titles both official and fangame as well as outside commentary, I believe that the article at its current state at the very least qualifies for
WP:HASPOT. Unless I'm missing something and fictional characters require at least two paragraphs for their reception section, I'd say that Reimu has more going for her own article than some other fictional character articles I've used as reference when initially creating it.
SuperSkaterDude45 (
talk)
06:26, 3 July 2023 (UTC)reply
The legacy and popularity sections have merit, but the reception is pretty light. I'd encourage you to keep at it in a user subpage or a draft and continue working on it. I can, at least, help clean it up when I have time. -
Cukie Gherkin (
talk)
08:44, 5 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Merge. I'd like to see a Reimu article, but as it is, the article simply does not have enough notability. It's not the worst I've seen by any means - I mean, the fact that a flower was named after her is not nothing - but it's not there yet. -
Cukie Gherkin (
talk)
01:58, 30 June 2023 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
Weak Merge. I feel the article generally has enough information to be a viable article, but the things mentioned in the Reception and Legacy section are generally lacking in notability outside of a few exceptions. Some of the stuff they link to lack articles or redirects entirely. I feel it's a few good sources away from being kept without any debate, but unfortunately, in its current state, I feel it should be merged into the
List of Touhou Project Characters article.
Pokelego999 (
talk)
01:01, 29 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Merge Searching didn't find anything that really merits the character having an article that I found. It's surprising to have no touhou articles on wikipedia, but at the same time this ain't it.--
Kung Fu Man (
talk)
04:40, 29 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Weak merge. There is some interesting stuff regarding Internet memes, but nothing in the aricle right now strikes me as meeting
WP:SIGCOV, it's pretty much fancruft+collection of trivia. Do let me know if any serioius (academic or non-fansite journalistic) sources are found and I'd be happy to reconsider my vote. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here07:03, 29 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Comment The thing about attempting to look for sources is that when attempting to look for sources, the most I found were from sites that are either deemed unreliable or from user-generated fan sites. The lack of non user-generated reviews for the main series games don't help either, at least from what I've found so far. That being said, I'll attempt to find the final references later in terms of overall reception and also trim some biographical information.
SuperSkaterDude45 (
talk)
18:18, 29 June 2023 (UTC)reply
The key is not to force the creation of an article when sources aren't out there. Gather up the sources first before even trying to write it and ask yourself whether they would hold up if its notability is challenged. Otherwise you end up with articles that are probably better being done on FANDOM.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ)
23:55, 29 June 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Zxcvbnm: Thing is that this is currently the fourth fictional character article I've written here and from what I've gathered from prior discussions are that protagonists generally have less requirements for notability then say, a side character. This isn't even mentioning that prior articles had notability issues... despite having a sizeable amount of content regarding notability. Regardless, I'll be looking to expand it once more for final thoughts to be made. Either that or I'll probably continue to work on it on my sandbox if it gets relegated to a redirect once more.
SuperSkaterDude45 (
talk)
02:01, 30 June 2023 (UTC)reply
So I recently spent the past three days attempting to find references and results were pretty scarce when it came to non-user generated reviews with the few reviews I could find often times focusing purely on gameplay and music rather than story. Despite this, I did gather enough sources to give the Reception section its own area, creating a new section for popularity. I still don't know if this is enough to justify a standalone article but given reliable sources for gaming were already used and further expanded, potential sources for new titles both official and fangame as well as outside commentary, I believe that the article at its current state at the very least qualifies for
WP:HASPOT. Unless I'm missing something and fictional characters require at least two paragraphs for their reception section, I'd say that Reimu has more going for her own article than some other fictional character articles I've used as reference when initially creating it.
SuperSkaterDude45 (
talk)
06:26, 3 July 2023 (UTC)reply
The legacy and popularity sections have merit, but the reception is pretty light. I'd encourage you to keep at it in a user subpage or a draft and continue working on it. I can, at least, help clean it up when I have time. -
Cukie Gherkin (
talk)
08:44, 5 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Merge. I'd like to see a Reimu article, but as it is, the article simply does not have enough notability. It's not the worst I've seen by any means - I mean, the fact that a flower was named after her is not nothing - but it's not there yet. -
Cukie Gherkin (
talk)
01:58, 30 June 2023 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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