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The result was merge to Monty Don. Sandstein 10:36, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
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Dogs usually don’t meet Wikipedia’s notability guidelines. – Cupper52 Discuss! 18:44, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
- I'm sure they don't. This one certainly does. Martinevans123 ( talk) 18:49, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Animal-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 19:30, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete Had the dog been an animal actor it’d be a different story. Trillfendi ( talk) 19:36, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
- I assume you are aware of the huge public following this dog had on UK television. Martinevans123 ( talk) 19:47, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Most people don't usually meet the guidelines but that doesn't mean we delete all articles about people. This particular dog is notable and so we have an article about this particular dog, just as we have many articles about other dogs. We even had an article about a particular tree on the main page yesterday. Andrew🐉( talk) 20:17, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
- Merge then redirect with/to Monty Don. Not independently notable. Nigej ( talk) 21:41, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. Dogs, cats, trees, hedges, fictional insects.... They all go together. Whether buried in Monty Don's Longmeadow garden or not. You know it makes sense. Martinevans123 ( talk) 22:14, 14 January 2021 (UTC) p.s. 2,545 views so far
Keep/Merge - The fact that its a dog has no bearing on notability if there are sources covering him, and this dog certainly seems to have ample coverage. I'm a bit torn between keeping it as a stand alone article or merging it to the wider coverage on Monty Don, but straight deletion would definitely not be appropriate here. Rorshacma ( talk) 23:31, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
- The arguments below have swayed me towards the opinion that a Merger would be the better way to organize the information here, so I am updating my recommendation accordingly. Rorshacma ( talk) 22:39, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Agree with you there. WP:N says that passing GNG "is not a guarantee that a topic will necessarily be handled as a separate, stand-alone page. Editors may use their discretion to merge or group two or more related topics into a single article." which seem to me to be the basic issue here. Nigej ( talk) 09:12, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep/Merge: I would say its a bad nomination. On going through the edit history of the nominator, I found that he hasnt done any WP:Before before nominating for deletion. For some edits, he just only took 2 minutes. It clearly indicates the lack of guidelines followed here. Kashmorwiki ( talk) 08:57, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
- We are here to discuss the notability of Nigel the dog not to discuss the nominator Spiderone 18:49, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
- Strong Merge to Monty Don: The notability for the subject is completely meshed with the target. Not everything needs a stand alone article. This content will improve the target article and an unnecessary split will just fragment the content for no reason to the detriment of the reader. // Timothy :: t | c | a 14:12, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Merge - primarily with the Monty Don article. Nigel the dog certainly had a public profile, but it was not one that was independent of Monty Don. People looking for information on Nigel would probably expect to find it in Monty Don's article as he was his owner. Equally I think it is reasonable to expect the Monty Don article to cover his association with Nigel, particularly as it is clear he was an important companion to Monty. Not sure that a redirect is needed as I can't see Nigel (dog) being something someone would enter. It might also be worth mentioning Nigel in the [Gardeners' World]] article which he does not seem to currently be mentioned on. Dunarc ( talk) 23:49, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Merge - into the Monty Don article. William Harris (talk) 07:25, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Merge into Monty Don per Timothy. Cavalryman ( talk) 12:04, 18 January 2021 (UTC).
- Note - Shep (British dog).Just sayin'. Martinevans123 ( talk) 17:21, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Point taken, and I am a dog person, but I still think Merge into Monty Don is the best answer here. RobinCarmody ( talk) 23:39, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Merge - I agree with the merge arguments Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:57, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete or merge. Not enough about the dog, most of it is highly related to the owner. Seems to fail WP:GNG. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:09, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
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The result was merge to Monty Don. Sandstein 10:36, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
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Dogs usually don’t meet Wikipedia’s notability guidelines. – Cupper52 Discuss! 18:44, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
- I'm sure they don't. This one certainly does. Martinevans123 ( talk) 18:49, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Animal-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 19:30, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 19:30, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Had the dog been an animal actor it’d be a different story. Trillfendi ( talk) 19:36, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
- I assume you are aware of the huge public following this dog had on UK television. Martinevans123 ( talk) 19:47, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Most people don't usually meet the guidelines but that doesn't mean we delete all articles about people. This particular dog is notable and so we have an article about this particular dog, just as we have many articles about other dogs. We even had an article about a particular tree on the main page yesterday. Andrew🐉( talk) 20:17, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
- Merge then redirect with/to Monty Don. Not independently notable. Nigej ( talk) 21:41, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. Dogs, cats, trees, hedges, fictional insects.... They all go together. Whether buried in Monty Don's Longmeadow garden or not. You know it makes sense. Martinevans123 ( talk) 22:14, 14 January 2021 (UTC) p.s. 2,545 views so far
Keep/Merge - The fact that its a dog has no bearing on notability if there are sources covering him, and this dog certainly seems to have ample coverage. I'm a bit torn between keeping it as a stand alone article or merging it to the wider coverage on Monty Don, but straight deletion would definitely not be appropriate here. Rorshacma ( talk) 23:31, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
- The arguments below have swayed me towards the opinion that a Merger would be the better way to organize the information here, so I am updating my recommendation accordingly. Rorshacma ( talk) 22:39, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Agree with you there. WP:N says that passing GNG "is not a guarantee that a topic will necessarily be handled as a separate, stand-alone page. Editors may use their discretion to merge or group two or more related topics into a single article." which seem to me to be the basic issue here. Nigej ( talk) 09:12, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep/Merge: I would say its a bad nomination. On going through the edit history of the nominator, I found that he hasnt done any WP:Before before nominating for deletion. For some edits, he just only took 2 minutes. It clearly indicates the lack of guidelines followed here. Kashmorwiki ( talk) 08:57, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
- We are here to discuss the notability of Nigel the dog not to discuss the nominator Spiderone 18:49, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
- Strong Merge to Monty Don: The notability for the subject is completely meshed with the target. Not everything needs a stand alone article. This content will improve the target article and an unnecessary split will just fragment the content for no reason to the detriment of the reader. // Timothy :: t | c | a 14:12, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Merge - primarily with the Monty Don article. Nigel the dog certainly had a public profile, but it was not one that was independent of Monty Don. People looking for information on Nigel would probably expect to find it in Monty Don's article as he was his owner. Equally I think it is reasonable to expect the Monty Don article to cover his association with Nigel, particularly as it is clear he was an important companion to Monty. Not sure that a redirect is needed as I can't see Nigel (dog) being something someone would enter. It might also be worth mentioning Nigel in the [Gardeners' World]] article which he does not seem to currently be mentioned on. Dunarc ( talk) 23:49, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Merge - into the Monty Don article. William Harris (talk) 07:25, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Merge into Monty Don per Timothy. Cavalryman ( talk) 12:04, 18 January 2021 (UTC).
- Note - Shep (British dog).Just sayin'. Martinevans123 ( talk) 17:21, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Point taken, and I am a dog person, but I still think Merge into Monty Don is the best answer here. RobinCarmody ( talk) 23:39, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Merge - I agree with the merge arguments Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:57, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete or merge. Not enough about the dog, most of it is highly related to the owner. Seems to fail WP:GNG. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:09, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
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