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The result was withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Atlantic306 ( talk) 20:22, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
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Fails WP:MUSICBIO and WP:GNG. I was able to find http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/the_state_were_in/2967871.stm but nothing else in the first five pages in a Google search. Nothing Google news either. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 00:48, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
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DeleteComment: I came across this article at WP:BLPN#MC Pitman where another editor expressed concerns about it. I tried to do some WP:BEFORE, but came up with nothing other than the BBC link referred to above; that link, however, seems to be more interview than critical commentary which limits it's usefullness in establishing notability. Pretty much everything else I found was either user-generated or otherwise trivial mentions. Some one posted something about the subject's notability at Talk:MC Pitman#Untitled, but "availability of products" doesn't seem sufficient to establish Wikipedia notability, and the BBC article is insufficient on its own. I've asked about this at various WikiProjects, so if someone can actually find significant coverage of this person, then I'm open to reconsidering my WP:!VOTE. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:38, 12 April 2019 (UTC)- I've stricken my !vote since there now seems to be some evidence that WP:NEXIST might apply. Just for reference, sources only need to be WP:PUBLISHED; they don't necessarily need to be available online per WP:SAYWHERE. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 14:16, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep. Satisfies WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC via multiple significant coverage in reliable sources, e.g. [1], [2], [3], [4], [5]. -- Michig ( talk) 07:20, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
- Keep: this is going to be a case where most of the information on the subject pre-dates the widespread use of the internet, but Pitman did attract a fair amount of attention in the UK for his first couple of albums, before the joke wore thin. Michig has shown above that these records were reviewed in national newspapers and music magazines, and there will certainly be articles and reviews in NME too. He also had radio play (more than once or twice) on BBC Radio 1, but I accept this is anecdotal evidence. The well-known music journalist and author Simon Reynolds briefly mentions him in his book Bring the Noise [6]. Richard3120 ( talk) 12:55, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
- My flaw was searching for the solid string "MC Pitman". Withdrawn based on the four references found by Michig. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 14:54, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
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Fails WP:MUSICBIO and WP:GNG. I was able to find http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/the_state_were_in/2967871.stm but nothing else in the first five pages in a Google search. Nothing Google news either. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 00:48, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
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DeleteComment: I came across this article at WP:BLPN#MC Pitman where another editor expressed concerns about it. I tried to do some WP:BEFORE, but came up with nothing other than the BBC link referred to above; that link, however, seems to be more interview than critical commentary which limits it's usefullness in establishing notability. Pretty much everything else I found was either user-generated or otherwise trivial mentions. Some one posted something about the subject's notability at Talk:MC Pitman#Untitled, but "availability of products" doesn't seem sufficient to establish Wikipedia notability, and the BBC article is insufficient on its own. I've asked about this at various WikiProjects, so if someone can actually find significant coverage of this person, then I'm open to reconsidering my WP:!VOTE. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:38, 12 April 2019 (UTC)- I've stricken my !vote since there now seems to be some evidence that WP:NEXIST might apply. Just for reference, sources only need to be WP:PUBLISHED; they don't necessarily need to be available online per WP:SAYWHERE. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 14:16, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 04:49, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. Satisfies WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC via multiple significant coverage in reliable sources, e.g. [1], [2], [3], [4], [5]. -- Michig ( talk) 07:20, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
- Keep: this is going to be a case where most of the information on the subject pre-dates the widespread use of the internet, but Pitman did attract a fair amount of attention in the UK for his first couple of albums, before the joke wore thin. Michig has shown above that these records were reviewed in national newspapers and music magazines, and there will certainly be articles and reviews in NME too. He also had radio play (more than once or twice) on BBC Radio 1, but I accept this is anecdotal evidence. The well-known music journalist and author Simon Reynolds briefly mentions him in his book Bring the Noise [6]. Richard3120 ( talk) 12:55, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
- My flaw was searching for the solid string "MC Pitman". Withdrawn based on the four references found by Michig. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 14:54, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
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