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The result was delete. Not only is this consensus almost unanimous, I don't think I've ever seen Cunard argue for Deletion before. When they can't find reliable sources, they probably don't exist. Liz Read! Talk! 23:24, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
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- Jin Koh ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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An online search does not reveal in-depth significant coverage of this person to meet our criteria for a notable businessperson, nor an artist/fashion designer. There are several people who share the same name, but all I'm finding on this Jin Koh is social media, primary sources and user-submitted content. Seems to also be a paid COI entry. Fails WP:NBUSINESSPERSON, WP:CREATIVE, WP:GNG. Bringing it here for the community to decide. Netherzone ( talk) 20:29, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Artists, Businesspeople, Arts, Visual arts, Business, Fashion, Technology, and Malaysia. Netherzone ( talk) 20:29, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete couple of passing mentions, no indication of passing WP:GNG. Theroadislong ( talk) 20:35, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Satisfies the
WP:BASIC guidelines by being supported by numerous reliable published sources, including secondary sources. Notable achievements include: founding several companies including Original Stitch. Please view the article's history as important information has been deleted by editors nominating it for deletion. For example an editor deleted the following fact: "In 2012 Koh founded Original Stitch, a fashion company based in
San Francisco, that uses on-demand manufacturing to create men's shirts."
[1]
[2] With all the deletions the article is practically empty! In addition edit requests have been denied, for example, "In 2012, Koh served as the Vice-President of Mobile Solutions for
Splashtop and oversaw its operations in Japan."
[3] What is going here? Added: I have a COI with this article.
Greg Henderson (
talk)
20:54, 9 February 2024 (UTC)— Note to closing admin:
Greghenderson2006 (
talk •
contribs) has a
close connection with the subject of the article being discussed, originally UPE, which has since been disclosed.
- Greg, why are you saying I deleted important information from the article? I did no such thing. The only edit I made on this was nominating it for deletion because it does not seem to meet WP criteria for inclusion; the community can decide the outcome.
Netherzone (
talk)
21:26, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- Seriously Greghenderson2006, please get your facts straight before making accusations like that against another editor. Left guide ( talk) 21:43, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- Greg, why are you saying I deleted important information from the article? I did no such thing. The only edit I made on this was nominating it for deletion because it does not seem to meet WP criteria for inclusion; the community can decide the outcome.
Netherzone (
talk)
21:26, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ Biggs, John (January 12, 2016). "Original Stitch Raises $1.1 Million To Put The Shirt On Your Back". Tech Crunch. Retrieved 2022-01-30.
- ^ Lopez, Allen (Feb 25, 2021). "Why $100 Pokémon Shirts make sense, Two years in, Original Stitch's Pokémon line is as strong as ever". Polygon. Retrieved 2022-01-26.
- ^ "Splashtop Launches Splashtop K.K. in Japan". Press Release. San Jose, California. March 12, 2012. Retrieved 2023-01-27.
- Delete regardless of almost certain UPE status, none of the sourcing I've identified in the history or via a BEFORE makes it clear that Koh is a notable businessman. None of the material that was removed before deletion is relevant to notability as the fullest version was more unreliable, non independent sourcing about his companies to flesh out the article. Serving as VP sourced by a press release is not a viable edit request to establish notability. Greg Henderson, you know which sourcing works for notability, you do the articles and the subjects a disservice by pushing press releases connected with the company. See also WP:TECHCRUNCH. While a case could be made for speedy, I advocate for letting the discussion run to establish a firm consensus so this doesn't get re-litigated endlessly Star Mississippi 20:59, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 21:13, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
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*Update Looks like a SPAM email was sent to Jin Koh. Below is the sender and what it says: Greg Henderson ( talk) 00:21, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
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From: Olivier Laurence <olivierlaurence@wikipedian.world> Date: Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 2:39 PM Subject: URGENT NOTICE: Wikipedia Article for Deletion - Immediate Action Required. To: takahito@gmail.com <takahito@gmail.com>, jin@bodygram.com <jin@bodygram.com> Hi Jin, I trust everything is well with you. I am Olivier Laurence, an experienced Wikipedia administrator and editor with over 20 years of experience, and I'm writing to you as part of the "Article for Deletion" Evaluation team. You may view my Wikipedia administrator account below: /info/en/?search=User:Olivier I wanted to bring your attention to an important matter impacting your live Wikipedia article. Your Wikipedia page was recently tagged and nominated for deletion due to concerns about its compliance with the Wikipedia standards; your page is listed below. Please review your Wikipedia page here: /info/en/?search=Jin_Koh Maintaining a Wikipedia article is an enormous responsibility and we appreciate your contributions to the platform thus far. However, all Wikipedia pages must comply with our content and notability rules to remain on the platform. Failure to address the highlighted concern may result in the page being moved to the spam list, leading to a temporary ban of five years or a permanent ban, at the discretion of Wikipedia moderators. If you are not interested in improving the page, kindly acknowledge this, and I will proceed with the deletion process. Note that once details are submitted for the deletion log, the same content and title cannot be reused. If you have any questions or require assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us at the same email address. Regards Senior Wikipedia Administrator and Editor Olivier Laurence |
- Please report them as described here: Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-01-31/Disinformation_report Star Mississippi 00:40, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete As requested by the undisclosed (at the time of creation) paid editor Greghenderson2006, I took a look at the version of the article on June 5, 2023 when the paid editor last edited it. What a steaming pile of crap! This shows that when people are paid to create promotional content, many of them will resort to using unreliable sources, non-independent sources, passing mentions, blogs and PR puffery to create a plausible confection that appears impressive but falls apart on closer examination. I also looked at the history of the article since last June, and saw that several highly experienced editors had to spend their valuable unpaid volunteer time trimming and cleaning up that shambolic mess. I happen to believe that there is a place on Wikipedia for the rare competent, ethical paid editors who scrupulously follow our policies and guidelines. They are as rare as hen's teeth. This article is not an example of competent paid editing. As for the spam/scam email, I think that the general principle is that scammers and con artists often try to prey on those who they perceive as other scammers and con artists, or their victims. Con artists love to con people who have already been conned, or other con artists. We should have zero tolerance for any of that unethical behavior. Cullen328 ( talk) 03:52, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I did not find significant coverage in
reliable sources about Jin Koh. The article for
Original Stitch, the company he founded, does not exist yet despite being notable. For evidence of notability for Original Stitch, see:
- "Don't Use This AI Tailor … Yet: After three shirts we ordered didn’t fit, Original Stitch took down its measurement software." from Bloomberg News
- "Why $100 Pokémon Shirts make sense: Two years in, Original Stitch’s Pokémon line is as strong as ever" from Polygon
- Delete I did not find significant reliable sources about Jin Koh, and although a few exist in which he is mentioned they are about the companies and not him WP:GNG, such as those about Original Stich mentioned above. While WP:NBUSINESSPERSON is not policy, I would agree that the article could be merged into one about Original Stich, that page does not exist and so I can't see an alternative to deletion as Jin Koh's notability appears to be tied to companies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shaws username ( talk • contribs) 23:17, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:ANYBIO and doesn't pass GNG either. Graywalls ( talk) 09:23, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Not only is this consensus almost unanimous, I don't think I've ever seen Cunard argue for Deletion before. When they can't find reliable sources, they probably don't exist. Liz Read! Talk! 23:24, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!
- Jin Koh ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
An online search does not reveal in-depth significant coverage of this person to meet our criteria for a notable businessperson, nor an artist/fashion designer. There are several people who share the same name, but all I'm finding on this Jin Koh is social media, primary sources and user-submitted content. Seems to also be a paid COI entry. Fails WP:NBUSINESSPERSON, WP:CREATIVE, WP:GNG. Bringing it here for the community to decide. Netherzone ( talk) 20:29, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Artists, Businesspeople, Arts, Visual arts, Business, Fashion, Technology, and Malaysia. Netherzone ( talk) 20:29, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete couple of passing mentions, no indication of passing WP:GNG. Theroadislong ( talk) 20:35, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Satisfies the
WP:BASIC guidelines by being supported by numerous reliable published sources, including secondary sources. Notable achievements include: founding several companies including Original Stitch. Please view the article's history as important information has been deleted by editors nominating it for deletion. For example an editor deleted the following fact: "In 2012 Koh founded Original Stitch, a fashion company based in
San Francisco, that uses on-demand manufacturing to create men's shirts."
[1]
[2] With all the deletions the article is practically empty! In addition edit requests have been denied, for example, "In 2012, Koh served as the Vice-President of Mobile Solutions for
Splashtop and oversaw its operations in Japan."
[3] What is going here? Added: I have a COI with this article.
Greg Henderson (
talk)
20:54, 9 February 2024 (UTC)— Note to closing admin:
Greghenderson2006 (
talk •
contribs) has a
close connection with the subject of the article being discussed, originally UPE, which has since been disclosed.
- Greg, why are you saying I deleted important information from the article? I did no such thing. The only edit I made on this was nominating it for deletion because it does not seem to meet WP criteria for inclusion; the community can decide the outcome.
Netherzone (
talk)
21:26, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- Seriously Greghenderson2006, please get your facts straight before making accusations like that against another editor. Left guide ( talk) 21:43, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- Greg, why are you saying I deleted important information from the article? I did no such thing. The only edit I made on this was nominating it for deletion because it does not seem to meet WP criteria for inclusion; the community can decide the outcome.
Netherzone (
talk)
21:26, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ Biggs, John (January 12, 2016). "Original Stitch Raises $1.1 Million To Put The Shirt On Your Back". Tech Crunch. Retrieved 2022-01-30.
- ^ Lopez, Allen (Feb 25, 2021). "Why $100 Pokémon Shirts make sense, Two years in, Original Stitch's Pokémon line is as strong as ever". Polygon. Retrieved 2022-01-26.
- ^ "Splashtop Launches Splashtop K.K. in Japan". Press Release. San Jose, California. March 12, 2012. Retrieved 2023-01-27.
- Delete regardless of almost certain UPE status, none of the sourcing I've identified in the history or via a BEFORE makes it clear that Koh is a notable businessman. None of the material that was removed before deletion is relevant to notability as the fullest version was more unreliable, non independent sourcing about his companies to flesh out the article. Serving as VP sourced by a press release is not a viable edit request to establish notability. Greg Henderson, you know which sourcing works for notability, you do the articles and the subjects a disservice by pushing press releases connected with the company. See also WP:TECHCRUNCH. While a case could be made for speedy, I advocate for letting the discussion run to establish a firm consensus so this doesn't get re-litigated endlessly Star Mississippi 20:59, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 21:13, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 21:14, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 21:14, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Dance-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 21:14, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 21:14, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
*Update Looks like a SPAM email was sent to Jin Koh. Below is the sender and what it says: Greg Henderson ( talk) 00:21, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
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From: Olivier Laurence <olivierlaurence@wikipedian.world> Date: Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 2:39 PM Subject: URGENT NOTICE: Wikipedia Article for Deletion - Immediate Action Required. To: takahito@gmail.com <takahito@gmail.com>, jin@bodygram.com <jin@bodygram.com> Hi Jin, I trust everything is well with you. I am Olivier Laurence, an experienced Wikipedia administrator and editor with over 20 years of experience, and I'm writing to you as part of the "Article for Deletion" Evaluation team. You may view my Wikipedia administrator account below: /info/en/?search=User:Olivier I wanted to bring your attention to an important matter impacting your live Wikipedia article. Your Wikipedia page was recently tagged and nominated for deletion due to concerns about its compliance with the Wikipedia standards; your page is listed below. Please review your Wikipedia page here: /info/en/?search=Jin_Koh Maintaining a Wikipedia article is an enormous responsibility and we appreciate your contributions to the platform thus far. However, all Wikipedia pages must comply with our content and notability rules to remain on the platform. Failure to address the highlighted concern may result in the page being moved to the spam list, leading to a temporary ban of five years or a permanent ban, at the discretion of Wikipedia moderators. If you are not interested in improving the page, kindly acknowledge this, and I will proceed with the deletion process. Note that once details are submitted for the deletion log, the same content and title cannot be reused. If you have any questions or require assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us at the same email address. Regards Senior Wikipedia Administrator and Editor Olivier Laurence |
- Please report them as described here: Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-01-31/Disinformation_report Star Mississippi 00:40, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete As requested by the undisclosed (at the time of creation) paid editor Greghenderson2006, I took a look at the version of the article on June 5, 2023 when the paid editor last edited it. What a steaming pile of crap! This shows that when people are paid to create promotional content, many of them will resort to using unreliable sources, non-independent sources, passing mentions, blogs and PR puffery to create a plausible confection that appears impressive but falls apart on closer examination. I also looked at the history of the article since last June, and saw that several highly experienced editors had to spend their valuable unpaid volunteer time trimming and cleaning up that shambolic mess. I happen to believe that there is a place on Wikipedia for the rare competent, ethical paid editors who scrupulously follow our policies and guidelines. They are as rare as hen's teeth. This article is not an example of competent paid editing. As for the spam/scam email, I think that the general principle is that scammers and con artists often try to prey on those who they perceive as other scammers and con artists, or their victims. Con artists love to con people who have already been conned, or other con artists. We should have zero tolerance for any of that unethical behavior. Cullen328 ( talk) 03:52, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I did not find significant coverage in
reliable sources about Jin Koh. The article for
Original Stitch, the company he founded, does not exist yet despite being notable. For evidence of notability for Original Stitch, see:
- "Don't Use This AI Tailor … Yet: After three shirts we ordered didn’t fit, Original Stitch took down its measurement software." from Bloomberg News
- "Why $100 Pokémon Shirts make sense: Two years in, Original Stitch’s Pokémon line is as strong as ever" from Polygon
- Delete I did not find significant reliable sources about Jin Koh, and although a few exist in which he is mentioned they are about the companies and not him WP:GNG, such as those about Original Stich mentioned above. While WP:NBUSINESSPERSON is not policy, I would agree that the article could be merged into one about Original Stich, that page does not exist and so I can't see an alternative to deletion as Jin Koh's notability appears to be tied to companies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shaws username ( talk • contribs) 23:17, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:ANYBIO and doesn't pass GNG either. Graywalls ( talk) 09:23, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.