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The result was no consensus. This close has no prejudice against renaming/rescoping the article, but there's insufficient consensus and it can be discussed outside of AFD. The WordsmithTalk to me22:39, 12 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete A page with a myriad of problems. I cannot find any information if the term "Foreign-born Japanese" is used as a distinctive category on its own. Seems like a badly written list with most content being taken from
Japanese nationality lawTooncool64 (
talk)
01:52, 21 January 2024 (UTC)reply
That's not the case. The article on
Japanese diaspora is about the group of ethnic Japanese people who are in Japan (a large majority of whom are not citizens of Japan, and have never lived there), whereas this article is about the group of Japanese citizens who were not born in Japan (a large majority of whom live in Japan).
Dekimasuよ!03:37, 22 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete: would be better than just leaving the article as it stands. There are lists of people, surely not remotely complete, preceded by some totally unsourced waffle, including statements such as "Many who naturalize as Japanese also adopt a Japanese name, since names must be chosen from a list of approved kanji." which are demonstrably false (members of my family, for example). This could probably be sourced to some old book, as this may at some time have been true, but this is not a good way to make articles which anyone could consider "reliable". (All words I use with their natural English meaning not any WP:LAWYERCRAP.)
Imaginatorium (
talk)
06:29, 21 January 2024 (UTC)reply
That's not the scope intended by this article. This article is explicitly about citizens of Japan, which is a separate topic from
Japanese diaspora. In effect, since the Japanese government does not acknowledge the existence of ethnicity (and the series of articles on foreign groups in Japan also explicitly limits the scope of those articles to citizens of foreign countries, cf.
Brazilians in Japan,
Chinese people in Japan,
Americans in Japan), deletion of this article would leave us with few places to discuss the subjects of this article as a group. If that is fine with everyone, I suppose the category will have to suffice.
Dekimasuよ!03:35, 22 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: To discuss Dekimasu's extensive edits, and to see whether the initial issues have been resolved or can be with a rename. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, StarMississippi22:32, 28 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Final relist. More discussion in line with the prior relisting comment would be helpful. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —
Red-tailed hawk(nest)03:21, 5 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep and rename, per Dekimasu. Sorry previous closers, but I agree with everything Dekimasu has said here and see nothing further to add. --
asilvering (
talk)
04:42, 12 February 2024 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. This close has no prejudice against renaming/rescoping the article, but there's insufficient consensus and it can be discussed outside of AFD. The WordsmithTalk to me22:39, 12 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete A page with a myriad of problems. I cannot find any information if the term "Foreign-born Japanese" is used as a distinctive category on its own. Seems like a badly written list with most content being taken from
Japanese nationality lawTooncool64 (
talk)
01:52, 21 January 2024 (UTC)reply
That's not the case. The article on
Japanese diaspora is about the group of ethnic Japanese people who are in Japan (a large majority of whom are not citizens of Japan, and have never lived there), whereas this article is about the group of Japanese citizens who were not born in Japan (a large majority of whom live in Japan).
Dekimasuよ!03:37, 22 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete: would be better than just leaving the article as it stands. There are lists of people, surely not remotely complete, preceded by some totally unsourced waffle, including statements such as "Many who naturalize as Japanese also adopt a Japanese name, since names must be chosen from a list of approved kanji." which are demonstrably false (members of my family, for example). This could probably be sourced to some old book, as this may at some time have been true, but this is not a good way to make articles which anyone could consider "reliable". (All words I use with their natural English meaning not any WP:LAWYERCRAP.)
Imaginatorium (
talk)
06:29, 21 January 2024 (UTC)reply
That's not the scope intended by this article. This article is explicitly about citizens of Japan, which is a separate topic from
Japanese diaspora. In effect, since the Japanese government does not acknowledge the existence of ethnicity (and the series of articles on foreign groups in Japan also explicitly limits the scope of those articles to citizens of foreign countries, cf.
Brazilians in Japan,
Chinese people in Japan,
Americans in Japan), deletion of this article would leave us with few places to discuss the subjects of this article as a group. If that is fine with everyone, I suppose the category will have to suffice.
Dekimasuよ!03:35, 22 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: To discuss Dekimasu's extensive edits, and to see whether the initial issues have been resolved or can be with a rename. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, StarMississippi22:32, 28 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Final relist. More discussion in line with the prior relisting comment would be helpful. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —
Red-tailed hawk(nest)03:21, 5 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep and rename, per Dekimasu. Sorry previous closers, but I agree with everything Dekimasu has said here and see nothing further to add. --
asilvering (
talk)
04:42, 12 February 2024 (UTC)reply
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