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The result was no consensus. Daniel ( talk) 06:35, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
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My WP:BEFORE showed no RSes to support their notability, which unfortunately is the case with many guitar amp manufacturers and the passing mentions in the article do not support it either. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 22:04, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 22:04, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep The company produces amps, not guitars so it doesn't appear that the nominator has spent sufficient time on the topic. It doesn't take me long to find reviews of the company's products in the music press such as this, which starts, "Over the last few years, Diezel amplifiers have become the must-have choice for some of the most high-profile rock guitarists on the planet." Andrew🐉( talk) 22:12, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- The nominator has now changed their nomination while keeping the same timestamp Tsk. Andrew🐉( talk) 13:27, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, and that is because changing the prose in the nomination does not require me to change the timestamp, which would make it after your comment. Still fails WP:GNG with or without a change in timestamp. To be realistic the links I found were either trying to sell the heads or plug-ins, or were unreliable sources like fan forums. The one I found that was clearly a RS was https://www.guitarworld.com/news/diezels-new-vhx-head-knows-when-its-been-profiled. I'm not sure about either https://guitar.com/news/gear-news/diezel-kemper-profiler-log/ or https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/Diezel_D_Moll_Amp_Review. While they are independent of the subject, I'm not sure if they are RSes. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 01:36, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
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Delete or draftify.This article cites no sources and none have been found (a single mention in a review of one of their products is hardly enough, but if we could find more of those, it could help a little). Fails WP:NORG. Average WP:CORPSPAM, etc. But do ping me if better sources are found so I can reconsider my vote. It is plausible this could be rescued. I would also support draftifying it back in its creator userpace, if they are active and willing to work on it. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:05, 22 January 2021 (UTC)- Change to abstain. The new sources help but I am not seeing anything that's in-depth. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:04, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- Delete No claims of notability in the English Article the German Langauge article makes some minor claims " have been awarded prizes." but all the reference I am seeing on either article and my search are either primary, or minor mentions. Fail WP:GNG Jeepday ( talk) 16:27, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent
reliable sources.
- Vinnicombe, Chris (2009-09-17).
"Diezel VH4 Amplifier Head review".
Guitarist. Archived from
the original on 2021-01-25. Retrieved 2021-01-25 – via
MusicRadar.
The article notes:
Over the last few years, Diezel amplifiers have become the must-have choice for some of the most high-profile rock guitarists on the planet. Behemoths such as James Hetfield, Billy Corgan and Matt Bellamy are just three of many who have embraced the four-channel versatility of German-engineered über-amplifier the VH4.
Diezel Amplification is largely the brainchild of electronics graduate Peter Diezel, who began dabbling in guitar amplifiers by modifying Marshalls in Munich in the 1980s and co-founded the company with fellow musician Peter Stapfer in the early 1990s. The first VH4 amplifiers were manufactured as early as 1994, but it has been in recent years that the profile of the company has really accelerated, with the high profile patronage of the aforementioned hard rocking luminaries.
- Buddingh, Terry (April 2004). "Gear: Diezel Herbert".
Guitar Player. Vol. 38, no. 4. pp. 138–140, 142.
The abstract notes, "Buddingh reviews Diezel's Herbert." The article notes, "If you've been keeping up with the latest trends and developments in elite multi-channel high-gain amplifiers, you've surely heard of Diezel. Hand-crafted in Munich, Germany, these wicked-sounding tone machines have been a force to be reckoned with ever since the impressive four-channel VH4 (reviewed December, 1999) debuted in the U.S. several years ago."
- Fox, Darrin (December 1999). "Exotica: Diezel VH4".
Guitar Player. Vol. 33, no. 12. pp. 133–134.
The abstract notes, "Fox reviews the Diezel VH4 amplifier." The article notes, "The Munich-based Diezel company is a relative newcomer to the highgain, boutique amp arena, but as their VH4 head proves, there's room at the top if you've got what it takes. This marvel wins an Editors' Pick Award."
- Lower, Alun (2013-02-27).
"Diezel D-Moll review".
MusicRadar. Archived from
the original on 2021-01-25. Retrieved 2021-01-25.
The article notes, "For many high-gain connoisseurs, a Diezel amp will always be 'the dream' - and one that's usually agonisingly out of reach." The article later notes, "It's this combination of advanced features and superb, genre-spanning tones that makes Diezel amps so special, and to see it in a package this well priced is very impressive."
- Wagner, Jordan (2010-11-12).
"Diezel Schmidt Amp Review".
Premier Guitar. Archived from
the original on 2021-01-25. Retrieved 2021-01-25.
The article notes, "Diezel Amplification burst on the scene in 1994 with the mighty VH4 and VH4S amplifier heads, which caused a stir when Adam Jones of Tool embraced them as part of his triple-amp stage and recording rig. Since then, Diezel amps have found favor with players including Neil Schon, Metallica, Buckethead, and Weezer, to name a few. Diezel amps are known for their power and definition, along with their quick attack, extreme versatility and their ability to stand out in the mix."
- Williams, Stuart (2009-02-04).
"Diezel Einstein Combo review".
Total Guitar. Archived from
the original on 2021-01-25. Retrieved 2021-01-25 – via
MusicRadar.
The article notes, "Lucky for us, then, that Peter Diezel, joined by Peter Stapfer, set about applying the famed Germanic spirit to building their own amps in the 1980s, and Diezel Amplification was born."
- "Diezel VH4 review". Total Guitar. 2017-03-22. Archived from the original on 2021-01-25. Retrieved 2021-01-25 – via MusicRadar.
- Bienstock, Richard (2020-03-20). "Diezel's VHX head is an all-tube powerhouse with added digital effects and IR flexibility". Guitar World. Archived from the original on 2021-01-25. Retrieved 2021-01-25.
- Astley-Brown, Michael (2020-07-07). "Diezel's new VHX head knows when it's been profiled". Guitar World. Archived from the original on 2021-01-25. Retrieved 2021-01-25.
- Vinnicombe, Chris (2009-09-17).
"Diezel VH4 Amplifier Head review".
Guitarist. Archived from
the original on 2021-01-25. Retrieved 2021-01-25 – via
MusicRadar.
Relisting comment: To examine sources raised by Cunard.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel ( talk) 11:00, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- I agree that the sources found by Cunard help the subject meet GNG. If there is no objection I am happy to close the AfD and will even add the sources to the article. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 21:35, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- Piotrus: Pinging as per your request. Eddie891 Talk Work 14:29, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was no consensus. Daniel ( talk) 06:35, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
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My WP:BEFORE showed no RSes to support their notability, which unfortunately is the case with many guitar amp manufacturers and the passing mentions in the article do not support it either. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 22:04, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 22:04, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep The company produces amps, not guitars so it doesn't appear that the nominator has spent sufficient time on the topic. It doesn't take me long to find reviews of the company's products in the music press such as this, which starts, "Over the last few years, Diezel amplifiers have become the must-have choice for some of the most high-profile rock guitarists on the planet." Andrew🐉( talk) 22:12, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- The nominator has now changed their nomination while keeping the same timestamp Tsk. Andrew🐉( talk) 13:27, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, and that is because changing the prose in the nomination does not require me to change the timestamp, which would make it after your comment. Still fails WP:GNG with or without a change in timestamp. To be realistic the links I found were either trying to sell the heads or plug-ins, or were unreliable sources like fan forums. The one I found that was clearly a RS was https://www.guitarworld.com/news/diezels-new-vhx-head-knows-when-its-been-profiled. I'm not sure about either https://guitar.com/news/gear-news/diezel-kemper-profiler-log/ or https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/Diezel_D_Moll_Amp_Review. While they are independent of the subject, I'm not sure if they are RSes. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 01:36, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 22:43, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 22:44, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
Delete or draftify.This article cites no sources and none have been found (a single mention in a review of one of their products is hardly enough, but if we could find more of those, it could help a little). Fails WP:NORG. Average WP:CORPSPAM, etc. But do ping me if better sources are found so I can reconsider my vote. It is plausible this could be rescued. I would also support draftifying it back in its creator userpace, if they are active and willing to work on it. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:05, 22 January 2021 (UTC)- Change to abstain. The new sources help but I am not seeing anything that's in-depth. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:04, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- Delete No claims of notability in the English Article the German Langauge article makes some minor claims " have been awarded prizes." but all the reference I am seeing on either article and my search are either primary, or minor mentions. Fail WP:GNG Jeepday ( talk) 16:27, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent
reliable sources.
- Vinnicombe, Chris (2009-09-17).
"Diezel VH4 Amplifier Head review".
Guitarist. Archived from
the original on 2021-01-25. Retrieved 2021-01-25 – via
MusicRadar.
The article notes:
Over the last few years, Diezel amplifiers have become the must-have choice for some of the most high-profile rock guitarists on the planet. Behemoths such as James Hetfield, Billy Corgan and Matt Bellamy are just three of many who have embraced the four-channel versatility of German-engineered über-amplifier the VH4.
Diezel Amplification is largely the brainchild of electronics graduate Peter Diezel, who began dabbling in guitar amplifiers by modifying Marshalls in Munich in the 1980s and co-founded the company with fellow musician Peter Stapfer in the early 1990s. The first VH4 amplifiers were manufactured as early as 1994, but it has been in recent years that the profile of the company has really accelerated, with the high profile patronage of the aforementioned hard rocking luminaries.
- Buddingh, Terry (April 2004). "Gear: Diezel Herbert".
Guitar Player. Vol. 38, no. 4. pp. 138–140, 142.
The abstract notes, "Buddingh reviews Diezel's Herbert." The article notes, "If you've been keeping up with the latest trends and developments in elite multi-channel high-gain amplifiers, you've surely heard of Diezel. Hand-crafted in Munich, Germany, these wicked-sounding tone machines have been a force to be reckoned with ever since the impressive four-channel VH4 (reviewed December, 1999) debuted in the U.S. several years ago."
- Fox, Darrin (December 1999). "Exotica: Diezel VH4".
Guitar Player. Vol. 33, no. 12. pp. 133–134.
The abstract notes, "Fox reviews the Diezel VH4 amplifier." The article notes, "The Munich-based Diezel company is a relative newcomer to the highgain, boutique amp arena, but as their VH4 head proves, there's room at the top if you've got what it takes. This marvel wins an Editors' Pick Award."
- Lower, Alun (2013-02-27).
"Diezel D-Moll review".
MusicRadar. Archived from
the original on 2021-01-25. Retrieved 2021-01-25.
The article notes, "For many high-gain connoisseurs, a Diezel amp will always be 'the dream' - and one that's usually agonisingly out of reach." The article later notes, "It's this combination of advanced features and superb, genre-spanning tones that makes Diezel amps so special, and to see it in a package this well priced is very impressive."
- Wagner, Jordan (2010-11-12).
"Diezel Schmidt Amp Review".
Premier Guitar. Archived from
the original on 2021-01-25. Retrieved 2021-01-25.
The article notes, "Diezel Amplification burst on the scene in 1994 with the mighty VH4 and VH4S amplifier heads, which caused a stir when Adam Jones of Tool embraced them as part of his triple-amp stage and recording rig. Since then, Diezel amps have found favor with players including Neil Schon, Metallica, Buckethead, and Weezer, to name a few. Diezel amps are known for their power and definition, along with their quick attack, extreme versatility and their ability to stand out in the mix."
- Williams, Stuart (2009-02-04).
"Diezel Einstein Combo review".
Total Guitar. Archived from
the original on 2021-01-25. Retrieved 2021-01-25 – via
MusicRadar.
The article notes, "Lucky for us, then, that Peter Diezel, joined by Peter Stapfer, set about applying the famed Germanic spirit to building their own amps in the 1980s, and Diezel Amplification was born."
- "Diezel VH4 review". Total Guitar. 2017-03-22. Archived from the original on 2021-01-25. Retrieved 2021-01-25 – via MusicRadar.
- Bienstock, Richard (2020-03-20). "Diezel's VHX head is an all-tube powerhouse with added digital effects and IR flexibility". Guitar World. Archived from the original on 2021-01-25. Retrieved 2021-01-25.
- Astley-Brown, Michael (2020-07-07). "Diezel's new VHX head knows when it's been profiled". Guitar World. Archived from the original on 2021-01-25. Retrieved 2021-01-25.
- Vinnicombe, Chris (2009-09-17).
"Diezel VH4 Amplifier Head review".
Guitarist. Archived from
the original on 2021-01-25. Retrieved 2021-01-25 – via
MusicRadar.
Relisting comment: To examine sources raised by Cunard.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel ( talk) 11:00, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- I agree that the sources found by Cunard help the subject meet GNG. If there is no objection I am happy to close the AfD and will even add the sources to the article. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 21:35, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- Piotrus: Pinging as per your request. Eddie891 Talk Work 14:29, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.