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The result was delete. Favonian ( talk) 17:22, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
Antony Coia
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The primary reason for inclusion appears to be that he has written some film scores for rather obsure (mostly Italian) horror films. Many of the cited references do no appear to support claims to notability. One of the most notable references is IMDB, but it is possible that the bio there was created by a single-purpose account. Shritwod ( talk) 16:51, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. /wiae /tlk 17:02, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete as lacking the "significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject" of WP:BASIC. There's a single Gazzetta del Mezzogiorno newspaper profile which I can't judge the weight of ( User:Pizzole has given links to a cropped scan of a two-paragraph article purporting to be from the Gazzetta, uploaded to Scribd by "Antony Coia" on the same day that Pizzole added it as a reference to the article), and the rest of the sources are WP:NEWSPRIMARY interviews (with Coia, or with colleagues who mention him in passing), film credits pages, WHOIS website records, and articles which either briefly namecheck Coia or (in the case of some reviews) don't appear to mention him at all. The Italian Wikipedia project deleted Coia's article there last year. -- McGeddon ( talk) 17:07, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
- Delete per McGeddon's argument and also due to the lack of hits in Google Books. It can show people's names in certain film directories, especially when they precede the Internet area, and this composer's name did not come up at all to at least indicate print-based notability. Erik ( talk | contrib) ( ping me) 17:29, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
- Delete so McGeddon will stop to harass me.-- Pizzole ( talk) 18:31, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
- ( edit conflict)Delete per McGeddon. Definitely does not meet any of the four criteria at WP:ARTIST. There are several passing mentions here, and a brief "local boy makes good" piece in a reputable but strictly regional newspaper, the Gazzetta del Mezzogiorno, which covers Puglia and Basilicata. There's no in-depth coverage in reliable secondary sources. (Note to Shritwod: IMDb cannot anyway be treated as a reliable source for our purposes, per WP:RS/IMDB). Obviously, the relentless (self?)-promotion here does not help either. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 18:38, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
- Note La Gazzetta del mezzogiorno is not the only newspaper. There are sources from Il Secolo XIX and La Nuova Ferrara talking about Coia. There is Bloody Disgusting too. And movies are not obscure because there are articles on italian newspaper, on Bloody Disgusting, Dread Central, Twitch Film. Movies has festival premiere, DVD release... Please stop talking about what you don't understand. You are wikipedian only.-- Pizzole ( talk) 18:45, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
- The Il Secolo XIX article is a single paragraph about a website. The Bloody Disgusting blog post mentions "the italian composer Antony Coia" in passing as the organiser of an event, and was written by one of the jurors for that event so is not "independent of the subject". None of this is "significant coverage" of Coia as a person. -- McGeddon ( talk) 18:53, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Also to Pizzole, throwing what is in essence a temper tantrum by deleting every page you have edited one really isn't the way to go. RickinBaltimore ( talk) 19:34, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
- Delete for all the reasons above. Joseph2302 ( talk) 20:17, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as the article is still questionable for the applicable notability. SwisterTwister talk 04:50, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
NOTE You are deleting a page that is on Wiki since may 2015 and then passed BLP and COI many times. Lot of admin patrolled the page but you are deleting it. I'll do the same with your works.-- Pizzole ( talk) 12:26, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
- Pizzole , if you're talking about going to the nominator's pages and editing them out of revenge, please be aware that this will be very poorly received and can end with you getting blocked from editing, possibly permanently. FWIW, I've heard of this composer but there just isn't a ton of coverage out there in reliable sources. It's difficult for most conductors to receive coverage and most only assert notability by way of the productions themselves being overwhelmingly notable - even then it is sometimes argued that the work's coverage must mention the soundtrack to some extent. Now for niche, indie horror composers, it's even more difficult to gain coverage, since indie horror productions tend to get fairly solidly ignored by what Wikipedia would consider to be reliable sources. This has the unfortunate side effect of most indie horror movies never gaining enough coverage to firmly pass notability guidelines as a whole. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 07:08, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
- Delete non-notable film composer. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 14:23, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
- Note: I was going to close this a day early and had even deleted it, but I was involved with the deletion of one of Pizzole's other pages, so I felt it would be best if this was deleted by someone other than myself, just so all of the protocol is followed. I think that a deletion at this point in time is inevitable, however. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 07:15, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Favonian ( talk) 17:22, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
Antony Coia
- Antony Coia ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
The primary reason for inclusion appears to be that he has written some film scores for rather obsure (mostly Italian) horror films. Many of the cited references do no appear to support claims to notability. One of the most notable references is IMDB, but it is possible that the bio there was created by a single-purpose account. Shritwod ( talk) 16:51, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. /wiae /tlk 17:02, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. /wiae /tlk 17:02, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions. /wiae /tlk 17:02, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as lacking the "significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject" of WP:BASIC. There's a single Gazzetta del Mezzogiorno newspaper profile which I can't judge the weight of ( User:Pizzole has given links to a cropped scan of a two-paragraph article purporting to be from the Gazzetta, uploaded to Scribd by "Antony Coia" on the same day that Pizzole added it as a reference to the article), and the rest of the sources are WP:NEWSPRIMARY interviews (with Coia, or with colleagues who mention him in passing), film credits pages, WHOIS website records, and articles which either briefly namecheck Coia or (in the case of some reviews) don't appear to mention him at all. The Italian Wikipedia project deleted Coia's article there last year. -- McGeddon ( talk) 17:07, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
- Delete per McGeddon's argument and also due to the lack of hits in Google Books. It can show people's names in certain film directories, especially when they precede the Internet area, and this composer's name did not come up at all to at least indicate print-based notability. Erik ( talk | contrib) ( ping me) 17:29, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
- Delete so McGeddon will stop to harass me.-- Pizzole ( talk) 18:31, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
- ( edit conflict)Delete per McGeddon. Definitely does not meet any of the four criteria at WP:ARTIST. There are several passing mentions here, and a brief "local boy makes good" piece in a reputable but strictly regional newspaper, the Gazzetta del Mezzogiorno, which covers Puglia and Basilicata. There's no in-depth coverage in reliable secondary sources. (Note to Shritwod: IMDb cannot anyway be treated as a reliable source for our purposes, per WP:RS/IMDB). Obviously, the relentless (self?)-promotion here does not help either. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 18:38, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
- Note La Gazzetta del mezzogiorno is not the only newspaper. There are sources from Il Secolo XIX and La Nuova Ferrara talking about Coia. There is Bloody Disgusting too. And movies are not obscure because there are articles on italian newspaper, on Bloody Disgusting, Dread Central, Twitch Film. Movies has festival premiere, DVD release... Please stop talking about what you don't understand. You are wikipedian only.-- Pizzole ( talk) 18:45, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
- The Il Secolo XIX article is a single paragraph about a website. The Bloody Disgusting blog post mentions "the italian composer Antony Coia" in passing as the organiser of an event, and was written by one of the jurors for that event so is not "independent of the subject". None of this is "significant coverage" of Coia as a person. -- McGeddon ( talk) 18:53, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Also to Pizzole, throwing what is in essence a temper tantrum by deleting every page you have edited one really isn't the way to go. RickinBaltimore ( talk) 19:34, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
- Delete for all the reasons above. Joseph2302 ( talk) 20:17, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as the article is still questionable for the applicable notability. SwisterTwister talk 04:50, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
NOTE You are deleting a page that is on Wiki since may 2015 and then passed BLP and COI many times. Lot of admin patrolled the page but you are deleting it. I'll do the same with your works.-- Pizzole ( talk) 12:26, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
- Pizzole , if you're talking about going to the nominator's pages and editing them out of revenge, please be aware that this will be very poorly received and can end with you getting blocked from editing, possibly permanently. FWIW, I've heard of this composer but there just isn't a ton of coverage out there in reliable sources. It's difficult for most conductors to receive coverage and most only assert notability by way of the productions themselves being overwhelmingly notable - even then it is sometimes argued that the work's coverage must mention the soundtrack to some extent. Now for niche, indie horror composers, it's even more difficult to gain coverage, since indie horror productions tend to get fairly solidly ignored by what Wikipedia would consider to be reliable sources. This has the unfortunate side effect of most indie horror movies never gaining enough coverage to firmly pass notability guidelines as a whole. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 07:08, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
- Delete non-notable film composer. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 14:23, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
- Note: I was going to close this a day early and had even deleted it, but I was involved with the deletion of one of Pizzole's other pages, so I felt it would be best if this was deleted by someone other than myself, just so all of the protocol is followed. I think that a deletion at this point in time is inevitable, however. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 07:15, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.