The result was delete. I don't know why this particular AfD has brought the SPAs in droves, but given the repetition of arguments without evidence, the sockpuppetry, and the assumptions of bad faith, I haven't much option besides setting aside the !votes of any suspected SPA. The arguments that remain constitute clear consensus in favor of deletion. The number of SPAs also makes salting justifiable here. Vanamonde ( Talk) 05:34, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
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Andrew Hollander is a composer and songwriter whose puffery-filled article is essentially a list of credits that are better left to IMDB. The only sources cited include a brief mention of Hollander or do not mention him at all.
Hollander has received no significant independent media attention. He was the composer for a notable film Waitress, but there is no indication that his work was notable. He has co-written or produced songs but there is no indication these songs were particularly notable, even if the songs' albums or performers might have had some press. All told, I don't believe anything in the article satisfies WP:ENT ("significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions").
In the past, there has been concern about conflicts of interest in edits to this article, since they were often by single-purpose or promotional accounts. One of the editors created the page of Hollander's wife Dana Parish, which I am also recommending be deleted. A recent dubious editor is AmySEOPro ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log). Another single purpose account Magic4950 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) made numerous edits and inappropriately marked many of them as minor. There were also concerns about copyright violations. There does not seem to be much interest in this article by authentic editors. Given the above, I propose deletion of this article. ScienceFlyer ( talk) 19:32, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
https://www.bmi.com/news/entry/andrew-hollander-talks-composing-for-words-on-bathroom-walls-with-the-chain https://www.bmi.com/news/entry/bmi_songwriter_andrew_hollander_contributes_to_celine_dions_highly_anticipa https://top40-charts.com/news.php?nid=74371 DubiousPuffery ( talk) 00:04, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
This song won a Chinese Grammy! “Someday I’ll fly” G.E.M. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peXpXFYhhyY Here's another G.E.M. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ0vRcpsfCM Minecraft Dungeon Lord ( talk) 21:43, 31 August 2022 (UTC)— Minecraft Dungeon Lord ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
Source assessment table:
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Source | Independent? | Reliable? | Significant coverage? | Count source toward GNG? |
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‘Waitress’ success bittersweet for composer (AP/Hollywood Reporter, 2007) | ![]() |
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~ Not particularly in-depth coverage | ~ Partial |
Celine Dion Shows Edge, and Tries Out New Characters, on ‘Loved Me Back to Life’ (Billboard, 2013) | ![]() |
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✘ No |
Bringin’ it Backwards: Interview with Rozzi (American Songwriter, 2021?) | ![]() |
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✘ No |
a collaborative process (Variety, 2009) | ![]() |
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~ The 5 grafs focused on Hollander are based on an interview with Hollander and someone he worked with. | ~ Partial |
Listen To The Chainsmokers’ First Score On A Feature Film, “Words on Bathroom Walls” | ![]() |
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✘ No |
BMI Songwriter Andrew Hollander Contributes to Celine Dion’s Highly Anticipated New Album (BMI, 2013) | ![]() |
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~ mostly quotes from Hollander | ✘ No |
Steve Conte To Release New Album ‘Bronx Cheer’, New Track Out Now (NYSMusic.com, 2021) | ? This looks like a recycled press release | ? other content on the site looks like recycled press releases | ![]() |
✘ No |
Serious Moonlight — Film Review (AP/Hollywood Reporter, 2009) | ![]() |
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✘ No |
Academy halts mailings of CDs (LA Times, 2007) | ![]() |
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✘ No |
‘Pig,’ ‘Val,’ ‘Adrienne’ and Other 2021 Streaming Gems (NYT, 2021) | ![]() |
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✘ No |
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The result was delete. I don't know why this particular AfD has brought the SPAs in droves, but given the repetition of arguments without evidence, the sockpuppetry, and the assumptions of bad faith, I haven't much option besides setting aside the !votes of any suspected SPA. The arguments that remain constitute clear consensus in favor of deletion. The number of SPAs also makes salting justifiable here. Vanamonde ( Talk) 05:34, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
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csp|username}} . |
Andrew Hollander is a composer and songwriter whose puffery-filled article is essentially a list of credits that are better left to IMDB. The only sources cited include a brief mention of Hollander or do not mention him at all.
Hollander has received no significant independent media attention. He was the composer for a notable film Waitress, but there is no indication that his work was notable. He has co-written or produced songs but there is no indication these songs were particularly notable, even if the songs' albums or performers might have had some press. All told, I don't believe anything in the article satisfies WP:ENT ("significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions").
In the past, there has been concern about conflicts of interest in edits to this article, since they were often by single-purpose or promotional accounts. One of the editors created the page of Hollander's wife Dana Parish, which I am also recommending be deleted. A recent dubious editor is AmySEOPro ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log). Another single purpose account Magic4950 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) made numerous edits and inappropriately marked many of them as minor. There were also concerns about copyright violations. There does not seem to be much interest in this article by authentic editors. Given the above, I propose deletion of this article. ScienceFlyer ( talk) 19:32, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
https://www.bmi.com/news/entry/andrew-hollander-talks-composing-for-words-on-bathroom-walls-with-the-chain https://www.bmi.com/news/entry/bmi_songwriter_andrew_hollander_contributes_to_celine_dions_highly_anticipa https://top40-charts.com/news.php?nid=74371 DubiousPuffery ( talk) 00:04, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
This song won a Chinese Grammy! “Someday I’ll fly” G.E.M. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peXpXFYhhyY Here's another G.E.M. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ0vRcpsfCM Minecraft Dungeon Lord ( talk) 21:43, 31 August 2022 (UTC)— Minecraft Dungeon Lord ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
Source assessment table:
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Source | Independent? | Reliable? | Significant coverage? | Count source toward GNG? |
---|---|---|---|---|
‘Waitress’ success bittersweet for composer (AP/Hollywood Reporter, 2007) | ![]() |
![]() |
~ Not particularly in-depth coverage | ~ Partial |
Celine Dion Shows Edge, and Tries Out New Characters, on ‘Loved Me Back to Life’ (Billboard, 2013) | ![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
✘ No |
Bringin’ it Backwards: Interview with Rozzi (American Songwriter, 2021?) | ![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
✘ No |
a collaborative process (Variety, 2009) | ![]() |
![]() |
~ The 5 grafs focused on Hollander are based on an interview with Hollander and someone he worked with. | ~ Partial |
Listen To The Chainsmokers’ First Score On A Feature Film, “Words on Bathroom Walls” | ![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
✘ No |
BMI Songwriter Andrew Hollander Contributes to Celine Dion’s Highly Anticipated New Album (BMI, 2013) | ![]() |
![]() |
~ mostly quotes from Hollander | ✘ No |
Steve Conte To Release New Album ‘Bronx Cheer’, New Track Out Now (NYSMusic.com, 2021) | ? This looks like a recycled press release | ? other content on the site looks like recycled press releases | ![]() |
✘ No |
Serious Moonlight — Film Review (AP/Hollywood Reporter, 2009) | ![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
✘ No |
Academy halts mailings of CDs (LA Times, 2007) | ![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
✘ No |
‘Pig,’ ‘Val,’ ‘Adrienne’ and Other 2021 Streaming Gems (NYT, 2021) | ![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
✘ No |
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{ source assess table}}. |