Hello all. I've been an arbitrator now for almost 3 1/2 years. I was elected back in August of 2004. The reason I wanted to become an arbitrator was I was very unhappy with how the (then-newly created) dispute resolution process was working. In particular,
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Plautus satire vs Raul654 left a very bad taste my mouth. Plautus was ultimately banned, but only after weeks of
unbelievably outrageous behavior that caused several good users to permanently leave. I wanted to join the arbitration committee to make it better serve the purpose of building the encyclopedia - to favor those who do good work, rather than bending over backwards to give 3rd and 4th chances to users who do not share our goals of building an encyclopedia. How far we have come since then.
In the early years of the committee, I authored many cases - not as many as Fred Bauder, but certainly more than my fair share. Owing to time spent on the other work I do here - as an administrator, checkuserer, oversighter, member of the press committee, featured article director, and
contributor to the encyclopedia - in the last year or two I have not authored as many cases as I used to. However, I have made it a point to take the lead on some of the more controversial ones (for example,
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Pedophilia userbox wheel war). I consider it a badge of honor that many of the trolls on
WikipediaReview detest me (with good reason - I am the reason many of them are banned). I am not here for them - I am here for you, the editors and administrators.
Just to lay out a few of my other accomplishments:
It was at my suggestion that the three-revert rule became enforceable. (I wanted to propose it as a principle in a case, but James F. suggested we do it through Jimbo. This was ultimately what was done) It may not be perfect, but it is certainly an improvement over the 100-revert war we were dealing with at the time. (And
I mean that literally)
I created the clerks system. It started out a bit rocky, but I think the program has turned out to be a very useful tool for the arbitration committee, helping to spread out the more mundane activities over a larger group of users.
I set up the Arbitration Committee mailing list. (We used to use one provided by
user:Nohat. After a wikimedia.org mailing list allocated, I set it up, and, along with others, administer it to this day)
I stand by my record as an arbitrator, and if re-elected, I will continue to do so in the same fashion.
Conflicted Support, as I'm not sure we want arbitrators who have/give so little time to the job. But at the end of the day, I still think Raul's independent thinking is needed as a counterweight to certain existing forces and currents within the committee.
Bishonen |
talk00:13, 3 December 2007 (UTC).reply
I trust his reasoning, the only problem I have is his inactivity, and his thoughtfulness thoroughly counteracts that problem.
Keilana00:14, 3 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Strong support. Raul is very often right when the rest of the committee is wrong. He has already taken steps to reduce his time commitment at FAC.
JayHenry04:33, 3 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Cautious support. I don't know what Raul was thinking in his statement over the Danny RFA, but on ArbCom he has tended to stand up for the correct principles.
Sjakkalle(Check!)07:08, 3 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Support. Excellent arbitrating so far, and the only sitting arbitrator who had the nuts to sign a note of dissent to the BLP decision.
Splash -
tk13:43, 3 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Raul654 is probably the only current ArbCom member who never makes me say "Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?" when I see their votes.
WilyD15:23, 3 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Support Good judgment evident as arbcom member. As for concerns about his level of activity, the fact that he has
delegated some FAC director tasks to
User:SandyGeorgia will allow him to spend more time on Arbcom matters. --
Aude (
talk)
17:32, 3 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Sometimes the sole note of sanity is right. He's not very active, but when he is active, he is invaluable. One vote from him is worth a dozen from others. --
AnonEMouse(squeak)22:41, 3 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Raul is not, to my mind, a perfect arbitrator, but I suppose that he must be amongst the best candidates whom we have, having, at the very least, stood on several occasions against the Committee's adopting some particularly pernicious remedies.
Joe07:19, 4 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Support for a highly experienced, thoughtful and fair-minded Arb. He may not be the most active on the AC, but he is far from the least. He chooses his battles carefully and renders generally solid decisions. He and I may not see eye-to-eye on all issues, but I respect his opinions and appreciate his hard work.--
R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine)21:00, 4 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Support knows Wikipedia very well and has made significant contributions which had to do with the very way Wikipedia works. Good editor who seems rational and able to remain neutral on ArbCom cases. --
Ynhockey(
Talk)21:29, 4 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Support - Coming out of the woodwork for this one. Raul's had a long run, and his judgement --- although it can be disagreed with from time to time, as any of ours can --- remains a sound foundation. --
Avillia(Avillia me!)01:26, 5 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Support - As this user is one of the bureaucrats running, I had intended a "knee-jerk" support, though after reading the concerns, I did a bit more thinking. While I understand the concerns about activity level/wearing many hats by those below, the arguements of those above (among other things) swayed me. -
jc3702:02, 5 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Support The inactivity concerns are understandable, but when all's said and done, he has sound and independent judgement. Desperately needed.
PeaceNT (
talk)
16:47, 5 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Support Lack of activity is a concern, but seems to be one of the few current arbitrators sensitive to POV pushing in areas of pseudoscience.
Skinwalker (
talk)
18:30, 5 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Support ~ I don't normally approve of such a spread of power/influence, but has demonstrated rational thought to me, even when surrounded by a lack of it. --
DeLarge (
talk)
15:46, 6 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Weak support. I'd prefer you spent your limited time and energy to satisfy your duties as FA director, and I seriously considered opposing as a result of that, but the loss of institutional memory that would ensue is too large to absorb. However, that issue still gives me pause.
Titoxd(
?!? -
cool stuff)08:27, 7 December 2007 (UTC)reply
I dislike such drastic concentration of powers and inactivity, but I agree that his judgement and institutional knowledge is invaluable. Now that you've delegated FAC, I hope you will increase your activity here. I(talk)23:39, 7 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Support One Support per year; I respect the concerns raised, but Raul has taken steps to resolve his time commitments and his voice of experience will benefit ArbCom. Raul's visibility makes him more vulnerable to opposes than newer candidates; I hope Jimbo will resolve some of the community concerns evidenced in weaker support levels this year by growing the size of ArbCom.
SandyGeorgia (
Talk)
03:01, 13 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Support, I thought long and hard about an oppose vote for Mark Pellegrini, primarily due to the "us" and "them" theme at the heart of his candidacy statement, but since I think, on reflection, that is merely a brash outer shell, behind which hides the shy and thoughtful real Raul, in the end, I have no hesitation in voting support. --
Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. (
talk)
10:02, 15 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Support — An all around good Wikipedian, with many positive attributes... I especially love what he does at
WP:FA. Raul654's voice in Arbcom is absolutely essential in keeping Arbcom (and Wikipedia) on the right course, especially during the divisive cases.--
Endroit (
talk)
18:12, 16 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Weak support, primarily because of concerns about inactivity. But given a choice between Raul or some of the others that are running, I would still clearly choose Raul, so I must support. --
Elonka23:34, 16 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Raul has not been active enough over his past term to justify reelection. Also, he has enough on his plate as Featured Article Director.--
ragesoss00:09, 3 December 2007 (UTC)reply
He should have recused from the THF case. Also, he freely admits he doesn't read the Workshop page, which I think is inappropriate.
ATren02:38, 3 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Simply has too much on his plate, and I have trouble believing he would be able to dedicate the needed time. Otherwise, I would support fully.
AmiDaniel (
talk)
03:13, 3 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Regrettably, he's just too inactive and I'd prefer to have him focus on other areas, and let someone else have a crack at this. Nothing wrong at all otherwise.
Grandmasterka08:34, 3 December 2007 (UTC)reply
A great user but inactivity has been a downfall of ArbCom in the past and activity is an issue a take seriously for this role. FAC + ArbCom activity is not going to happen in my opinion. Sorry,
GDonato (talk)
16:15, 3 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Has been a great voice of reason on ArbCom (Fred Bauder opposing this pretty much proves just that) but we need to try something different this time.
EconomicsGuy16:39, 3 December 2007 (UTC)reply
I firmly believe that term limits (here or anywhere) exist for a reason, and that as a matter of principle positions of responsibility should pass onto others after a given amount of time.
>Radiant<19:50, 3 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Excellent credentials, but has too many hats and not spent enough time in this one. Everyone has been complaining about the inactivity of the current arbcom, so why perpetuate the problem? Give him a break and maybe he will come back keener next time.
Gatoclass17:58, 4 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Oppose. While I think it is remarkable that you still want the job (seeing as most people bow out after much less than 3 years), I am concerned that you do not have enough time to devote to ArbCom. I'm also still amazed that
Ernest Emerson made it to the front page, and that you defended it. --
Fang Ailitalk00:32, 6 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Oppose - The arbcom is evil, so any candidate who chooses to participate in it in any manner shows poor judgment. Sorry Raul, if I could support any candidate, it would be you.
Gentgeen (
talk)
03:56, 6 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Oppose I remember an occasion where you opposed a principle chastising someone for insulting another editor, on the grounds of
WP:SPADE, and I don't think that kind of attitude is something an arbcom member should have.
Homestarmy (
talk)
18:07, 6 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Oppose Hey, take a break. There are over thousand of admins here. Not that I am afraid of
gerontocracy, in addition to all other stupid accusations towards wikipedia cabals, but really, the strength is in multitudes, not in veterans. `'
Míkka>t04:53, 7 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Oppose -- I tend to agree with UBeR that he is not fit for any position of authority on wikipedia, but I give 2 specific Reasons for this vote: 1. Too many titles and positions and he has been so inactive on Arbcom that he does not merit a return and 2) he is sometimes a vicious antagonist in disputes calling opponents names and then justifying his bad behavior as "good" contrary to wikipedia standards of conduct. This is not the perspective we should see from an Arbcom member. --
Blue Tie (
talk)
15:30, 9 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Oppose due to inactivity and deep disappointment in his name-calling. Admins and ArbCom members should be above the fray instead of deeply stuck in the mud. -
KrakatoaKatie18:30, 9 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Oppose - not so much because I think that there is any particular problem with you being on ArbCom, but because I would like to see more rotation on the committee and less centralization of power on the wiki - and you have been on ArbCom for over three years with the additional post of Featured Article Director.
Nihiltres{t.
l}00:49, 11 December 2007 (UTC)reply
The only time I would ever vote Yes to Raul is if we got the chance to deadmin him. I strongly oppose his being given positions of power of any kind.
Grace Note (
talk)
04:23, 11 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Oppose Raul654 has been rather inactive recently; FAC needs him more. Moreover, feedback from others (and his conduct on global warming-related articles) suggests that I cannot trust him. --
J.L.W.S. The Special One (
talk)
10:52, 11 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Oppose I respect Raul for all the work he's done (and done as well as could be). However, I am in both the "need new blood in ArbCom" and "FA needs you more than ArbCom does, dude" camps.
Ling.Nut (
talk)
15:13, 11 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Strongly Oppose Not sure how Raul can be expected to arbitrate anything. He was invloved in a content dispute and instead of using any sort of arbitration methods, assuming good faith, and trying to discuss the issue in a civil manner he simply left talk page messages that added fuel to the fire:
[7],
[8],
[9]. I also completely agree with oppose vote numbers 36, 42, 44, 46, 63, 67, 77, 93, 94, 103, 104, 131, 144, 146.
Elhector (
talk)
19:06, 11 December 2007 (UTC)reply
As I am looking for conflict resolution skills, I am troubled by "I consider it a badge of honor that many [trolls] detest me". These "trolls" are doing a better job at backing up their claims with links here than the candidate and his supporters. —
Sebastian20:33, 13 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Met the man in actuality. His personality seems a bit too domineering for a role which requires cooperation among several members and a clear view of truth, and I am not enthused that he seems devoted to promoting adversity with people who are not even on the site. Sorry! eszetttalk13:38, 15 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Hello all. I've been an arbitrator now for almost 3 1/2 years. I was elected back in August of 2004. The reason I wanted to become an arbitrator was I was very unhappy with how the (then-newly created) dispute resolution process was working. In particular,
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Plautus satire vs Raul654 left a very bad taste my mouth. Plautus was ultimately banned, but only after weeks of
unbelievably outrageous behavior that caused several good users to permanently leave. I wanted to join the arbitration committee to make it better serve the purpose of building the encyclopedia - to favor those who do good work, rather than bending over backwards to give 3rd and 4th chances to users who do not share our goals of building an encyclopedia. How far we have come since then.
In the early years of the committee, I authored many cases - not as many as Fred Bauder, but certainly more than my fair share. Owing to time spent on the other work I do here - as an administrator, checkuserer, oversighter, member of the press committee, featured article director, and
contributor to the encyclopedia - in the last year or two I have not authored as many cases as I used to. However, I have made it a point to take the lead on some of the more controversial ones (for example,
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Pedophilia userbox wheel war). I consider it a badge of honor that many of the trolls on
WikipediaReview detest me (with good reason - I am the reason many of them are banned). I am not here for them - I am here for you, the editors and administrators.
Just to lay out a few of my other accomplishments:
It was at my suggestion that the three-revert rule became enforceable. (I wanted to propose it as a principle in a case, but James F. suggested we do it through Jimbo. This was ultimately what was done) It may not be perfect, but it is certainly an improvement over the 100-revert war we were dealing with at the time. (And
I mean that literally)
I created the clerks system. It started out a bit rocky, but I think the program has turned out to be a very useful tool for the arbitration committee, helping to spread out the more mundane activities over a larger group of users.
I set up the Arbitration Committee mailing list. (We used to use one provided by
user:Nohat. After a wikimedia.org mailing list allocated, I set it up, and, along with others, administer it to this day)
I stand by my record as an arbitrator, and if re-elected, I will continue to do so in the same fashion.
Conflicted Support, as I'm not sure we want arbitrators who have/give so little time to the job. But at the end of the day, I still think Raul's independent thinking is needed as a counterweight to certain existing forces and currents within the committee.
Bishonen |
talk00:13, 3 December 2007 (UTC).reply
I trust his reasoning, the only problem I have is his inactivity, and his thoughtfulness thoroughly counteracts that problem.
Keilana00:14, 3 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Strong support. Raul is very often right when the rest of the committee is wrong. He has already taken steps to reduce his time commitment at FAC.
JayHenry04:33, 3 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Cautious support. I don't know what Raul was thinking in his statement over the Danny RFA, but on ArbCom he has tended to stand up for the correct principles.
Sjakkalle(Check!)07:08, 3 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Support. Excellent arbitrating so far, and the only sitting arbitrator who had the nuts to sign a note of dissent to the BLP decision.
Splash -
tk13:43, 3 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Raul654 is probably the only current ArbCom member who never makes me say "Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?" when I see their votes.
WilyD15:23, 3 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Support Good judgment evident as arbcom member. As for concerns about his level of activity, the fact that he has
delegated some FAC director tasks to
User:SandyGeorgia will allow him to spend more time on Arbcom matters. --
Aude (
talk)
17:32, 3 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Sometimes the sole note of sanity is right. He's not very active, but when he is active, he is invaluable. One vote from him is worth a dozen from others. --
AnonEMouse(squeak)22:41, 3 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Raul is not, to my mind, a perfect arbitrator, but I suppose that he must be amongst the best candidates whom we have, having, at the very least, stood on several occasions against the Committee's adopting some particularly pernicious remedies.
Joe07:19, 4 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Support for a highly experienced, thoughtful and fair-minded Arb. He may not be the most active on the AC, but he is far from the least. He chooses his battles carefully and renders generally solid decisions. He and I may not see eye-to-eye on all issues, but I respect his opinions and appreciate his hard work.--
R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine)21:00, 4 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Support knows Wikipedia very well and has made significant contributions which had to do with the very way Wikipedia works. Good editor who seems rational and able to remain neutral on ArbCom cases. --
Ynhockey(
Talk)21:29, 4 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Support - Coming out of the woodwork for this one. Raul's had a long run, and his judgement --- although it can be disagreed with from time to time, as any of ours can --- remains a sound foundation. --
Avillia(Avillia me!)01:26, 5 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Support - As this user is one of the bureaucrats running, I had intended a "knee-jerk" support, though after reading the concerns, I did a bit more thinking. While I understand the concerns about activity level/wearing many hats by those below, the arguements of those above (among other things) swayed me. -
jc3702:02, 5 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Support The inactivity concerns are understandable, but when all's said and done, he has sound and independent judgement. Desperately needed.
PeaceNT (
talk)
16:47, 5 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Support Lack of activity is a concern, but seems to be one of the few current arbitrators sensitive to POV pushing in areas of pseudoscience.
Skinwalker (
talk)
18:30, 5 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Support ~ I don't normally approve of such a spread of power/influence, but has demonstrated rational thought to me, even when surrounded by a lack of it. --
DeLarge (
talk)
15:46, 6 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Weak support. I'd prefer you spent your limited time and energy to satisfy your duties as FA director, and I seriously considered opposing as a result of that, but the loss of institutional memory that would ensue is too large to absorb. However, that issue still gives me pause.
Titoxd(
?!? -
cool stuff)08:27, 7 December 2007 (UTC)reply
I dislike such drastic concentration of powers and inactivity, but I agree that his judgement and institutional knowledge is invaluable. Now that you've delegated FAC, I hope you will increase your activity here. I(talk)23:39, 7 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Support One Support per year; I respect the concerns raised, but Raul has taken steps to resolve his time commitments and his voice of experience will benefit ArbCom. Raul's visibility makes him more vulnerable to opposes than newer candidates; I hope Jimbo will resolve some of the community concerns evidenced in weaker support levels this year by growing the size of ArbCom.
SandyGeorgia (
Talk)
03:01, 13 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Support, I thought long and hard about an oppose vote for Mark Pellegrini, primarily due to the "us" and "them" theme at the heart of his candidacy statement, but since I think, on reflection, that is merely a brash outer shell, behind which hides the shy and thoughtful real Raul, in the end, I have no hesitation in voting support. --
Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. (
talk)
10:02, 15 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Support — An all around good Wikipedian, with many positive attributes... I especially love what he does at
WP:FA. Raul654's voice in Arbcom is absolutely essential in keeping Arbcom (and Wikipedia) on the right course, especially during the divisive cases.--
Endroit (
talk)
18:12, 16 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Weak support, primarily because of concerns about inactivity. But given a choice between Raul or some of the others that are running, I would still clearly choose Raul, so I must support. --
Elonka23:34, 16 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Raul has not been active enough over his past term to justify reelection. Also, he has enough on his plate as Featured Article Director.--
ragesoss00:09, 3 December 2007 (UTC)reply
He should have recused from the THF case. Also, he freely admits he doesn't read the Workshop page, which I think is inappropriate.
ATren02:38, 3 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Simply has too much on his plate, and I have trouble believing he would be able to dedicate the needed time. Otherwise, I would support fully.
AmiDaniel (
talk)
03:13, 3 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Regrettably, he's just too inactive and I'd prefer to have him focus on other areas, and let someone else have a crack at this. Nothing wrong at all otherwise.
Grandmasterka08:34, 3 December 2007 (UTC)reply
A great user but inactivity has been a downfall of ArbCom in the past and activity is an issue a take seriously for this role. FAC + ArbCom activity is not going to happen in my opinion. Sorry,
GDonato (talk)
16:15, 3 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Has been a great voice of reason on ArbCom (Fred Bauder opposing this pretty much proves just that) but we need to try something different this time.
EconomicsGuy16:39, 3 December 2007 (UTC)reply
I firmly believe that term limits (here or anywhere) exist for a reason, and that as a matter of principle positions of responsibility should pass onto others after a given amount of time.
>Radiant<19:50, 3 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Excellent credentials, but has too many hats and not spent enough time in this one. Everyone has been complaining about the inactivity of the current arbcom, so why perpetuate the problem? Give him a break and maybe he will come back keener next time.
Gatoclass17:58, 4 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Oppose. While I think it is remarkable that you still want the job (seeing as most people bow out after much less than 3 years), I am concerned that you do not have enough time to devote to ArbCom. I'm also still amazed that
Ernest Emerson made it to the front page, and that you defended it. --
Fang Ailitalk00:32, 6 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Oppose - The arbcom is evil, so any candidate who chooses to participate in it in any manner shows poor judgment. Sorry Raul, if I could support any candidate, it would be you.
Gentgeen (
talk)
03:56, 6 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Oppose I remember an occasion where you opposed a principle chastising someone for insulting another editor, on the grounds of
WP:SPADE, and I don't think that kind of attitude is something an arbcom member should have.
Homestarmy (
talk)
18:07, 6 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Oppose Hey, take a break. There are over thousand of admins here. Not that I am afraid of
gerontocracy, in addition to all other stupid accusations towards wikipedia cabals, but really, the strength is in multitudes, not in veterans. `'
Míkka>t04:53, 7 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Oppose -- I tend to agree with UBeR that he is not fit for any position of authority on wikipedia, but I give 2 specific Reasons for this vote: 1. Too many titles and positions and he has been so inactive on Arbcom that he does not merit a return and 2) he is sometimes a vicious antagonist in disputes calling opponents names and then justifying his bad behavior as "good" contrary to wikipedia standards of conduct. This is not the perspective we should see from an Arbcom member. --
Blue Tie (
talk)
15:30, 9 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Oppose due to inactivity and deep disappointment in his name-calling. Admins and ArbCom members should be above the fray instead of deeply stuck in the mud. -
KrakatoaKatie18:30, 9 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Oppose - not so much because I think that there is any particular problem with you being on ArbCom, but because I would like to see more rotation on the committee and less centralization of power on the wiki - and you have been on ArbCom for over three years with the additional post of Featured Article Director.
Nihiltres{t.
l}00:49, 11 December 2007 (UTC)reply
The only time I would ever vote Yes to Raul is if we got the chance to deadmin him. I strongly oppose his being given positions of power of any kind.
Grace Note (
talk)
04:23, 11 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Oppose Raul654 has been rather inactive recently; FAC needs him more. Moreover, feedback from others (and his conduct on global warming-related articles) suggests that I cannot trust him. --
J.L.W.S. The Special One (
talk)
10:52, 11 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Oppose I respect Raul for all the work he's done (and done as well as could be). However, I am in both the "need new blood in ArbCom" and "FA needs you more than ArbCom does, dude" camps.
Ling.Nut (
talk)
15:13, 11 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Strongly Oppose Not sure how Raul can be expected to arbitrate anything. He was invloved in a content dispute and instead of using any sort of arbitration methods, assuming good faith, and trying to discuss the issue in a civil manner he simply left talk page messages that added fuel to the fire:
[7],
[8],
[9]. I also completely agree with oppose vote numbers 36, 42, 44, 46, 63, 67, 77, 93, 94, 103, 104, 131, 144, 146.
Elhector (
talk)
19:06, 11 December 2007 (UTC)reply
As I am looking for conflict resolution skills, I am troubled by "I consider it a badge of honor that many [trolls] detest me". These "trolls" are doing a better job at backing up their claims with links here than the candidate and his supporters. —
Sebastian20:33, 13 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Met the man in actuality. His personality seems a bit too domineering for a role which requires cooperation among several members and a clear view of truth, and I am not enthused that he seems devoted to promoting adversity with people who are not even on the site. Sorry! eszetttalk13:38, 15 December 2007 (UTC)reply