Short, sweet and to the point: The Arbitration Committee is something I've always admired on Wikipedia. It's functionality and methodologies are second-to-none. However, lately, I've been seeing some views presented, by experienced- and new- users alike, that the Arbitration Committee is becoming more and more segregated from the "normal community" in its views and decisions - by which, I refer to the general editors. I am not an administrator, however I feel that not being an administrator does not mean a person couldn't do this job. In fact, I think there should be more input from those not with "the tools" - although, by definition, sysops are just "regular users with a couple more buttons", in practice a lot they tend to see the technical, not the community side, all too regularly. This is why I have nominated myself; because I believe there should be a smattering of those who may see things slightly differently to those who are currently in the positions of the AC or administrator. Whether it's me, or whether it's another experienced editor who is not a sysop (by experienced, I mean at least 6-7000+ edits, preferably 10,000+, like myself - as a rough guide), I'd like to see one in there; either now at this election, or one in the near future. It's not that they don't do a good job - that couldn't be father from the truth - but they do tend to see things slightly differently, from my observations. Another, slightly different perspective on the
Arbitration Committee "board" to provide insight into dealing with Wikipedia's largest and most complex problems is by no means the worst thing could happen - it might even be the best. Cheers.
Support: I think a good non-admin should be put in now and then, and this is a good example of that time - he's definitely a good user, and I support him all the way. --
NomaderTalk05:08, 4 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Support - who knows, maybe "new blood" on ArbCom would do us all good, a new face that hasn't been corrupted by the rest of us :o. Daniel doesn't seem the type to screw around, and he seems to be a (to quote robchurch) a head screwed on guy. --
Tawker07:22, 4 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Support - Inexperience can equal a new perspective, and I have every reason to believe that the candidate is very well qualified on all points but lack of admin experience, which is not necessarily a demerit anyway.
Badbilltucker22:18, 4 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Militant support. I was opposing before,
[1], but I thought it over - despite still having some concerns about experience, I respect your judgement far too much to oppose with a clear conscience. And I like your platform. riana_dzasta16:26, 6 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Support Thoughtful user that shows both growth and understanding, who learns from experience as well as mistakes. I believe he is ready.▪◦▪
≡Ѕirex98≡19:26, 6 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Weak Support - Seems like this would be a great addition to the arbcom, but only 6months on wikipedia worrie me. ---
J.S(
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C)20:58, 6 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Support There are more important things an ArbCom member needs than Wikipedia experience, and the candidate has them in spades!--
Runcorn20:59, 6 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Weak Support. I'm a little bit on the fence about this one, but I believe that he shows enough maturity to be a good member of arbcom. --
Danaman521:26, 6 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Support. Lack of experience is only a minor concern with me; his answers to the questions convince me that he knows wiki-philosophy well and would be a good person to have on the arbcom. He also shares my support for making
Wikipedia:Reliable sources policy! --
Idont Havaname (
Talk)
01:22, 7 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Support Adminship does not determine adequacy for ArbCom. Youth of candidate is irrelevant to suitability (I'm 16). Any fine candidate will do, and Daniel meets the criteria. --210physicq (c)
05:22, 10 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Support Daniel has an even-handed manner/temperament and editing style. Age should not be a reason for excluding a candidate if they are able to do the job.
Orderinchaos7808:27, 10 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Strong Support Non-adminship should not be an issue - a well rounded and mature individual who will go on to do well in ArbCom. --
Skenmy(
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Support. There's something charming in having a candidate who is not jaded by the drudgery of day-in day-out counter-vandalism, and just edits to provide a balanced perspective. Not everyone wants to be an Admin, nor has the infrastructure. Being on the road as much as you are, it strikes me that you made a great assesment of what you could best do to contribute. Good luck with the law studies too! Kudos on the contributions. Best wishes // FrankB21:58, 12 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Support Balanced and competent candidate. I appreciate the points made in oppose about youth and lack of previous wikipower but I feel a caution to not let the new appointment get to his head would be sufficient. ArbCom needs more people like Daniel.
Lost Kiwi(talk)21:00, 13 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Support. As for the admin issue I'll drag out the old RfA cliché "I thought he already was one". When a candidate is this dedicated, intelligent and respected, the precise value of a bit in the database is irrelevant.
the wub"?!"12:04, 14 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Support The timing of the election may hurt Daniel here, in a few months more will appreciate him. Thems the breaks.
NoSeptember 14:29, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Support Daniel seems more mature than a few older Wiki users with Wiki power. His age should not be a factor to hold him back! Also, I agree with him platform.
fmmarianicolon |
Talk20:42, 17 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Support; while one would normally expect the committee to be made up of admins, he makes a reasonable argument for the benefit of including somebody from outside that group too.
*Dan T.*22:48, 17 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Weak oppose. I think this user needs more experience before one can consider an appointment to ArbCom. (However, I do think Daniel is a great user, so I'm looking forward to another application in future.) ♠PMC♠04:42, 4 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose - not being a sysop is perfectly fine, but I think 6 months of experience just isn't enough to become an arbitrator - it should be at least a year. I've also got to admit that the emphasis on edit count ("at least 6-7000+ edits, preferably 10,000+, like myself") for determining whether someone's experienced and/or suitable to be an arbitrator seems a wee little bit elitist to me. --
Schnee (cheeks clone)
13:57, 6 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Weak oppose : lack of adminship and experience, though I really hope to see another application some time. Clearly a dedicated, talented, careful contributor.
Shagmaestro11:58, 9 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose (regretfully). There are many reasons to support this user but I am worried about the extremely high level of self confidence at such a young age, exhibited by answers to questions, RFA, etc. Time will likely show how much there is to learn, mainly about interactions with people, which is vital experience for the Arbitration Committee. Please note that I am not voting to oppose because I assume I have this right, but because I see it as a risk and the level of risk causes me to lean toward oppose. --
Renesis (
talk)
16:20, 11 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Although I in principle like the idea that a non-admin could serve on Arbcom in the right conditions, I don't think it's appropriate here: too young, too little time (though I hesitate to say experience) on Wikipedia. Also, I don't think the ArbCom is a good place to find out what happens when a user first gets Wiki-power.
Mangojuicetalk18:32, 11 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose would like to see more time demonstrating new skills in tact and maturity. Good editor overall, would support in future with longer track record of above skills.
Krich(talk)03:00, 17 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Short, sweet and to the point: The Arbitration Committee is something I've always admired on Wikipedia. It's functionality and methodologies are second-to-none. However, lately, I've been seeing some views presented, by experienced- and new- users alike, that the Arbitration Committee is becoming more and more segregated from the "normal community" in its views and decisions - by which, I refer to the general editors. I am not an administrator, however I feel that not being an administrator does not mean a person couldn't do this job. In fact, I think there should be more input from those not with "the tools" - although, by definition, sysops are just "regular users with a couple more buttons", in practice a lot they tend to see the technical, not the community side, all too regularly. This is why I have nominated myself; because I believe there should be a smattering of those who may see things slightly differently to those who are currently in the positions of the AC or administrator. Whether it's me, or whether it's another experienced editor who is not a sysop (by experienced, I mean at least 6-7000+ edits, preferably 10,000+, like myself - as a rough guide), I'd like to see one in there; either now at this election, or one in the near future. It's not that they don't do a good job - that couldn't be father from the truth - but they do tend to see things slightly differently, from my observations. Another, slightly different perspective on the
Arbitration Committee "board" to provide insight into dealing with Wikipedia's largest and most complex problems is by no means the worst thing could happen - it might even be the best. Cheers.
Support: I think a good non-admin should be put in now and then, and this is a good example of that time - he's definitely a good user, and I support him all the way. --
NomaderTalk05:08, 4 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Support - who knows, maybe "new blood" on ArbCom would do us all good, a new face that hasn't been corrupted by the rest of us :o. Daniel doesn't seem the type to screw around, and he seems to be a (to quote robchurch) a head screwed on guy. --
Tawker07:22, 4 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Support - Inexperience can equal a new perspective, and I have every reason to believe that the candidate is very well qualified on all points but lack of admin experience, which is not necessarily a demerit anyway.
Badbilltucker22:18, 4 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Militant support. I was opposing before,
[1], but I thought it over - despite still having some concerns about experience, I respect your judgement far too much to oppose with a clear conscience. And I like your platform. riana_dzasta16:26, 6 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Support Thoughtful user that shows both growth and understanding, who learns from experience as well as mistakes. I believe he is ready.▪◦▪
≡Ѕirex98≡19:26, 6 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Weak Support - Seems like this would be a great addition to the arbcom, but only 6months on wikipedia worrie me. ---
J.S(
T/
C)20:58, 6 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Support There are more important things an ArbCom member needs than Wikipedia experience, and the candidate has them in spades!--
Runcorn20:59, 6 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Weak Support. I'm a little bit on the fence about this one, but I believe that he shows enough maturity to be a good member of arbcom. --
Danaman521:26, 6 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Support. Lack of experience is only a minor concern with me; his answers to the questions convince me that he knows wiki-philosophy well and would be a good person to have on the arbcom. He also shares my support for making
Wikipedia:Reliable sources policy! --
Idont Havaname (
Talk)
01:22, 7 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Support Adminship does not determine adequacy for ArbCom. Youth of candidate is irrelevant to suitability (I'm 16). Any fine candidate will do, and Daniel meets the criteria. --210physicq (c)
05:22, 10 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Support Daniel has an even-handed manner/temperament and editing style. Age should not be a reason for excluding a candidate if they are able to do the job.
Orderinchaos7808:27, 10 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Strong Support Non-adminship should not be an issue - a well rounded and mature individual who will go on to do well in ArbCom. --
Skenmy(
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n)20:03, 10 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Support. There's something charming in having a candidate who is not jaded by the drudgery of day-in day-out counter-vandalism, and just edits to provide a balanced perspective. Not everyone wants to be an Admin, nor has the infrastructure. Being on the road as much as you are, it strikes me that you made a great assesment of what you could best do to contribute. Good luck with the law studies too! Kudos on the contributions. Best wishes // FrankB21:58, 12 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Support Balanced and competent candidate. I appreciate the points made in oppose about youth and lack of previous wikipower but I feel a caution to not let the new appointment get to his head would be sufficient. ArbCom needs more people like Daniel.
Lost Kiwi(talk)21:00, 13 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Support. As for the admin issue I'll drag out the old RfA cliché "I thought he already was one". When a candidate is this dedicated, intelligent and respected, the precise value of a bit in the database is irrelevant.
the wub"?!"12:04, 14 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Support The timing of the election may hurt Daniel here, in a few months more will appreciate him. Thems the breaks.
NoSeptember 14:29, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Support Daniel seems more mature than a few older Wiki users with Wiki power. His age should not be a factor to hold him back! Also, I agree with him platform.
fmmarianicolon |
Talk20:42, 17 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Support; while one would normally expect the committee to be made up of admins, he makes a reasonable argument for the benefit of including somebody from outside that group too.
*Dan T.*22:48, 17 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Weak oppose. I think this user needs more experience before one can consider an appointment to ArbCom. (However, I do think Daniel is a great user, so I'm looking forward to another application in future.) ♠PMC♠04:42, 4 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose - not being a sysop is perfectly fine, but I think 6 months of experience just isn't enough to become an arbitrator - it should be at least a year. I've also got to admit that the emphasis on edit count ("at least 6-7000+ edits, preferably 10,000+, like myself") for determining whether someone's experienced and/or suitable to be an arbitrator seems a wee little bit elitist to me. --
Schnee (cheeks clone)
13:57, 6 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Weak oppose : lack of adminship and experience, though I really hope to see another application some time. Clearly a dedicated, talented, careful contributor.
Shagmaestro11:58, 9 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose (regretfully). There are many reasons to support this user but I am worried about the extremely high level of self confidence at such a young age, exhibited by answers to questions, RFA, etc. Time will likely show how much there is to learn, mainly about interactions with people, which is vital experience for the Arbitration Committee. Please note that I am not voting to oppose because I assume I have this right, but because I see it as a risk and the level of risk causes me to lean toward oppose. --
Renesis (
talk)
16:20, 11 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Although I in principle like the idea that a non-admin could serve on Arbcom in the right conditions, I don't think it's appropriate here: too young, too little time (though I hesitate to say experience) on Wikipedia. Also, I don't think the ArbCom is a good place to find out what happens when a user first gets Wiki-power.
Mangojuicetalk18:32, 11 December 2006 (UTC)reply
Oppose would like to see more time demonstrating new skills in tact and maturity. Good editor overall, would support in future with longer track record of above skills.
Krich(talk)03:00, 17 December 2006 (UTC)reply