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Here's your chance. Sennalen ( talk) 00:06, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
Sennalen ( talk) 13:41, 30 November 2023 (UTC)If any RfC or interpretation of an RfC leads to removals of sources like [7] [8] [9] it is time to pause and reflect on whether something has gone wrong. These are the kinds of sources that should be used in the first place to determine what is or isn't fringe. The fact that WP:FRINGE guidelines are being used to remove them points to deep dysfunction in the policy.
The cultural Marxism conspiracy theory is based on lies and distortions about the Frankfurt School. There are some who have chosen to counter this with lies and distortions in the opposite direction, rather than simply the truth. Ultimately, that plays into the hands of the greater proto-fascist threat, MAGA. Nothing helps the apparent credibility of right-wing disinformation more than easily debunked disinformation from the left. That includes the continual insistence, against evidence, that the phrase "cultural Marxism" is a special shibboleth only of the right. I know that that alone has helped radicalized some people.
a good thing.
identifying with it around 2010were using the term with an element of self-deprecation, though probably not irony. At least that is the way I remember how those intersectional speech communities were functioning at the time. Newimpartial ( talk) 22:42, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
Hello. I had to revert your additions to the Donald Trump page, as I didn't think there was a consensus for it. At the moment, an editor is planning an RFC for the topic. GoodDay ( talk) 16:19, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
This is just to let you know that you are mentioned in the ANI report here: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#XMcan_stirring_up_trouble. I apologise if this creates any additional unwanted drama for you but I think this might be the only way to put a stop to the disruption. Please feel free to comment, or not, as you see fit. DanielRigal ( talk) 20:01, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
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Sorry to see how the AE played out. You're the most graceful person I've ever noticed in all my 15 years on Wikipedia, I doubt you'd have learnt or grown much from being on here, so it may be for the best. FeydHuxtable ( talk) 14:47, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
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While people are here, let me call attention to Brown_dwarf#Iron,_silicate_and_sulfide_clouds where zinc sulfide is misspelled as "zink sulfide". Sennalen ( talk) 05:15, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
able to show that the changes are productive and they have independent reasons for making such edits. Editors must be able to make and receive requests in order for such a burden of proof to ever come into play. Sennalen ( talk) 14:53, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
Editors in turn are not permitted to post or edit material at the direction of a banned or blocked editor- if you are telling people on your talk page to do something, you are "directing" them to do so. That is the stipulation you are looking for in your reply to Novem. Primefac ( talk) 14:59, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
In most cases, a site-wide blocked user will only be able to edit their own user talk page, with no mention of any restriction, and
editing of the user's talk page should be disabled only in cases of continued abuse of their user talk page, or when the user has engaged in serious threats, accusations, or attempts at outing that must be prevented from re-occurring, which seems to suggest that anything goes apart from that. Doesn't sound like you are limited to requesting unblocking to me. Tewdar 16:45, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
abuse ofyour
user talk page... Tewdar 16:46, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
abuse of their user talk page. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but it is clearly believed by many. Newimpartial ( talk) 17:11, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
Just as the OHG ('partnership') was already facing ruin before the National Socialist seizure of power and was only formally the sole shareholder, but actually belonged to banks and other creditors, also the family of Hans Lachmann-Mosse had already broken up even before political, and perhaps partly too —especially in view of the 8,000 creditors— economic reasons necessitated the flight and emigration of its members.Tewdar 15:14, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
in April 1933 [Lachman-Mosse] had left for Paris seeking refuge, not only from the Nazis but also from business creditors. It only claims that unspecified members of the family "perhaps partly" emigrated at for economic reasons at unspecified times.
I was content to leave it alone for awhile, but since it looks like a wave of gravedancing has commenced, it is high time to clear my name. It would be best if the admin who implemented the block puts things right, so at this time this is a request directed to Galobtter only. (She asked in reply to my email that the request be posted publicly here.)
The issue that seemed to be the tipping point for Galobtter was the allegation that this edit [11] was malign source misrepresentation. As was pointed out by several others at AE, it was a totally accurate representation of the source. I did not have the opportunity in December to further demonstrate that it was also a good faith improvement to the encyclopedia. I wrote the edit summary "counterpoint" since it was reacting to [12] which introduced the claim that Marcuse was "not widely remembered" outside niche contexts. I knew that to be patently false, at a minimum because of the conservative hullaballoo around political correctness. Since the dubious assertion that Marcuse was not remembered was from Stanley Aronowitz, a notable figure in a reliable source, I did not seek to remove it, but added contrasting reliable information, as is recommended by WP:NPOVHOW. I could have used Kors and Silverglade directly as a source, given that they are independently notable and reliably published, but I sought an appropriate secondary source, as one should. I had many to choose from, but deliberately selected one not friendly to Kors and Silverglade's position. It fully corroborates that Kors and Silverglade (who are not niche Marxist scholars) placed great emphasis on Marcuse's influence in the culture wars, QED. The opinions of Kors and Silverglade are the primary topic of the review, so that was by no means cherrypicked. Furthermore, Reitz does not at any point contradict the idea that Marcuse had a formative influence on campus speech codes. Rather, Reitz argues simply that Marcuse was right about campus speech codes, which is tangential in this circumstance. I went over the source with a fine-toothed comb for anything that looked like an essential counter-weight to Kors and Silverglade, but Reitz' opinions were simply off-topic in the context of whether Marcuse was remembered. To say more would have been coatracking. It could probably be used somewhere else, like the article for Repressive Tolerance, but at that particular moment I was paying attention only to the question of Marcuse's enduring relevance, since I had expanded that section a few months prior. [13] The overall pattern of editing does not support the notion I was pushing the views of Kors and Silverglade any more than the idea I was pushing views of say, Myriam Malinovich [14] around that time. My use of sources and holistic consideration of competing policy considerations should not be judged as merely acceptable but as a model for emulation.
Rather than asking me about the careful research and nuanced, multilayered policy analyses which inform each of my edits, the audience at AE made assumptions about my motives and went on a fishing expedition for evidence to justify what appeared to be a pre-determined outcome that I must be banned for something, anything. It's cliche for an unblock appeal to say that I didn't do anything wrong, but in that hearing I begged for anyone to actually identify something I did wrong, and no one delivered. My involvement with the Falun Gong was limited to pushing back at the nakedly hostile religious bias that Bloodofox rightly got warned for. When I asked what the allegations against me were in the Falun Gong topic area, instead of an answer I just got hit with new allegations saying I had done something in the Race and IQ area. What had I done wrong with Race and IQ? Also totally unspecified. Much ado was made of the fact that I had simply made edits in various areas, without regard to the quality of those edits. So what? Every watcher at the FRINGE noticeboard has edited in a variety of CTOPs. It is rare that any of them matches my commitments to science, sources, civility, and Wikipedia policy while doing so. Any concern about CLEANSTART policy is a red herring when there was no problematic behavior from the past to avoid repeating, and no problematic behavior in the present either.
That brings us to the actual topic I originally brought to AE myself, Covid origins. I can't say it loud enough: I was the defender of science in that question. I wrote a substantial and thoroughly researched article on zoonotic theories of Covid's origin. [15] It was scoped smaller than the Origin of Covid-19 parent topic, but was of drastically greater relevance, sourcing, and organization than anything already existing. A couple of editors immediately set about trying to decimate it on the false pretense that the sources were inadequate, while the real point of contention was that I do not equivocate between what is "likely" with what is known. That kind of epistemic humility is crucial to legitimate, unpoliticized scientific inquiry. The most serious and concrete allegation against me was Bon courage saying that I improperly used a weak or primary sources to undermine a strong secondary source (Pekar, Magee, Parker, et al.) Well, since then he also scrubbed Pekar from the article on the basis that it was supposedly a primary source too. [16] [17] You know what reliable secondary sources could have contextualized it? The very ones he removed earlier. Meanwhile, Pekar is still used in the lede of the parent Origin of Covid-19 article. Not just Pekar (which is fine), but truly excrable sources like blogs, newswires, Frontiers journals, discredited political commissions, RSOPINION, and non-peer-reviewed correspondences. In. The. Lede. The hypocrisy is appalling. Wikipedia needs much more of the kind of knowledge and integrity I bring to the table.
The idea I have pushed pseudo-science across multiple CTOPs can't hold water when there is absolutely no instance in which I have pushed pseudo-science in even one topic, ever. I deserve unblocking and an amendedment to the block log defending my name. Furthermore, the grievances I naively came to AE seeking relief for, and which are still damaging the project, are in want of redress. Sennalen ( talk) 06:22, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
Sennalen ( talk) 20:03, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
The following pertains to my impending unblock appeal.
Criticisms about my edits at Western Marxism come in medias res of a long-running conversation among Newimpartial, Tewdar, an Australian IP, and myself. Besides being a post-1990 conspiracy theory, "cultural Marxism" is a term in scholarship dating to 1973. [1] [2] Editors who do not want to pull on that thread at Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory often say the content should go at Marxist cultural analysis or Western Marxism. [19] [20] [21] [22] My initial decision to go to Western Marxism was thus based on community feedback.
The source [23] and claim [24] that I added were based on a prior discussion that reached a rough consensus that the source was usable at least for the exact phrasing that Western Marxism is "also known as" cultural Marxism. [25]
It was reverted first by MrOllie with the edit summary, "not accurate, and not a good source for such a claim". [26] At that point what I should have done was go to the talk page, link the prior discussion, and ask MrOllie explain why he believed the source was inadequate. However, I made a snap judgement that in retrospect was an assumption of bad faith, that Mr. Ollie did not have substantive reasoning and would object to any similar claim from any source. Everything that follows can be considered an object lesson in the kinds of disruption that can follow when editors assume bad faith. What I did was to restore the claim, the original source, and a further six sources.
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Most of these are not sources for the interpretive claim that Western Marxism can be known as cultural Marxism so much as it is examples of Marxism being "caught in the act" of being known as. Taken together they lend support to "known as", but not in the most concise or unambiguous way. The main exception is Beibei and Cristaudo, which does directly buttress the claim. I should have dispensed with the rest and raised Beibei and Cristaudo in discussion.
After I hit two counter-reverts, Generalrelative went for the 3rd revert [27] with the interpretation that WP:ONUS excused them from any obligation to discuss. Lacking any specific objections from MrOllie or GeneralRelative that I could respond to, I started the talk page discussion with a scattershot of points in favor of the content. [28] Discussion by MrOllie and later by PatrickJWelsh critiqued only the single Tuters source and the fact that it discusses the conspiracy theory. I had included Tuters in the list of sources in order to ensure the collection was well-rounded and did not bury the role of the phrase in the conspiracy theory; however, I should have anticipated that including any source about the conspiracy theory would instead redirect all discussion towards the conspiracy theory. That was especially since it was the only one of the six new sources that was online without a paywall. This hearkens back to the theme of assuming bad faith - yet knowing that there was a controversy, it was a mistake on my part not to provide text quotes of all of them off the bat.
To help the room articulate their objections about the non-conspiracy Trent Schroyer theory and the other six of seven sources, I composed a list of ready-made disagreements other editors might want to have. [29] That was successful in propelling the discussion forward, especially towards some good points raised by the Australian IP. My perspective had gotten too much inside the box of trying to prove things to other editors, when I should have been thinking about the readers of the article. Since certain RSOPINIONs had denied the history of the phrase "cultural Marxism" before 1990, the question of the phrase's origin has taken on undue importance in talk page discussions. I had implicitly adopted that orientation. Although MOS:ALTNAME provided a nominal reason for the "also known as" claim to go in the lede, just inserting that was glossing over a great deal of intellectual history in who used what terms and why. After sketching an outline of a better approach, I withdrew to reconsider. [30] I was then done with the thread, though Newimpartial and the Australian IP continued to parse some finer points.
To recap, it was a mistake to overcite and a mistake not to provide quotes preemptively. Moreoever, the overall concept of the edit was not as good as it could have been. That said, the episode does not reflect any systematic deficiency in my editing. It was intended as an improvement to the encyclopedia and supported by policy, reliable sourcing, and prior consensus. I was sensitive to feedback and consensus both before and throughout the process, even going so far as to moderate my own debate and elicit actionable feedback from editors who were reluctant to provide it initially. Despite the errors, the thread overall was a positive example of how to WP:NEGOTIATE. Sennalen ( talk) 15:55, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
References
The fact that the term was littered throughout scholarly literature for decades can quickly be seen by entering it in Google scholar. It had also been commonly used as conversational shorthand for decades and, in all likelihood, even before the term initially appeared in print in 1973 in Trent Schroyer's The Critique of Domination: The Origins and Development of Critical Theory.
Within the confines of this skeptical left-wing sector of the American intelligentsia, one can discern several distinct traditions of social thought and political praxis. Two will concern us here. One strain, derived from Critical Marxism, we will call Cultural Marxism. (...) For a definition of Cultural Marxism, broadly similar to mine, see Trent Schroyer, The Critique of Domination (...) Although a minor presence in American academia, Cultural Marxism is among the most revered of left-wing theoretical orientations.
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Please copy my appeal below to the arbitration enforcement noticeboard. Sennalen ( talk) 16:38, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
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Appeal declined at AE. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 23:35, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
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National Health Service microbiologist, and Jared Roach, who according to their article
was involved in a project to map out the molecular phylogenetics of Washington state's initial SARS-CoV-2 outbreak.Hmm. I'd put a sarcastic comment here, but I'm 1–0 at ANI, and I'd like to keep my perfect record intact. Tewdar 16:16, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
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Seraphimblade:, I was surprised by your comment at AE that I did not seem capable of recognizing what is a fringe topic.
I don't know if that means you were unaware of my writings on exactly that subject, or if you read them and weren't a fan. Either way, the definition of a fringe topic can be contextual and has several informal meanings that emerged over time. Revisiting the basics could be a learning experience for editors, new and old.
Initially FRINGE was guidance about WP:NOTABILITY only, focused on the question of whether pseudoscience topics should have stand-alone articles. However, even at that point it actually owed a lot to the within-article principle of WP:WEIGHT. The circumstance that motivated the guidance to be written was Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Aetherometry_(2nd_nomination), a kind of pseudoscience that had some dubious sources in support but had never come to the attention of any legitimate scientific publication. A naive approach would have had an article singing this pseudoscience's praises, since that was the tenor of sources that paid any attention to it, but the community consensus was that the very silence of the mainstream actually spoke volumes. The reasoning at AfD was that in such a case where the mainstream is silent, it's impossible to write an article with due weight; for that reason, the article should not exist. FRINGE in its early form served to retrospectively document this "dark matter" theory of invisible WP:WEIGHT.
ideas which are accepted or at least somewhat discussed as being plausible within major publications (large-circulation newspapers or magazines) or respected and peer-reviewed scientific publications.Assuming that "fringe" and "non-mainstream" were supposed to be equivalent, that would make a fringe theory an idea that is not considered plausible by any large-circulation newspaper, magazine, or scientific publication. I think the yardstick now ought to be largely the same as the simple formulation from 2006 - that an idea is fringe if it's not mainstream, and it's mainstream if it has support from mainstream sources (with preference to quality academic journals if they exist in the field).
fringe theory is used in a broad sense to describe an idea that departs significantly from the prevailing views or mainstream views in its particular field. It does not give as much concrete guidance about the definition of "mainstream" as the earlier form of the page did, nor does it give a rule on how much of a departure from the mainstream is "significant". The lack of explicit bright lines in the current FRINGE guidance is unfortunate. It leaves a lot of latitude for reasonable interpretations about whether new developments in areas such as unconventional superconductor or Modified Newtonian dynamics qualify as "fringe" or not. Sometimes a consensus on these things emerges easily, but contentious topics have a way of inviting motivated reasoning.
Arguments about fringe theories have been escalated to ArbCom a few times. ArbCom in 2009
[41] defined "fringe science" (at least for its own ruling) as matters which purport to be science, or use its trappings and terminology but are not usually regarded as such by the general scientific community; and to matters which do not claim to be scientific but nevertheless make claims that are normally considered within the purview of science.
That perspective makes a distinction not so much about sources or level of acceptance but about adherence to the scientific method. ArbCom had earlier in 2006
[42] made reference both to scientfic method and to support among scientists in the definition, Alternative theoretical formulations which have a following within the scientific community are not pseudoscience, but part of the scientific process.
Increasingly, a new interpretation of "fringe theory" has gained ground on Wikipedia, which has no basis in either the older or newer wording of WP:FRINGE, the ArbCom rulings, or any of the policies that these things derived from. This interpretation relies on forming a community consensus that an idea is so false, ridiculous, or dangerous that it must always be rejected, regardless of sources. Rather than using sources to identify the mainstream, it pre-ordains what the mainstream is supposed to be and judges sources accordingly. This violates the basic requirement of
WP:NPOV, to describe disputes, but not engage in them
as well as the 2009 Fringe ArbCom ruling that, The purpose of an encyclopedia is to state neutrally the current knowledge in a field, not to put forward arguments to promote or deride any particular view. In particular, conjectures that hold significant prominence must no more be suppressed than be promoted as factual.
Despite these bright line violations, this sort of perspective is a common meaning of "fringe" on talk pages now, and the current regulatory environment is friendly to it.
Although that rogue perspective is wrong on the balance, it's still true that FRINGE guidelines do apply to significant minorities and alternative theoretical formulations. That's because FRINGE remains, as always, an explanatory supplement to more fundamental policies. The page bears the caveat, The governing policies regarding fringe theories are the three core content policies, Neutral point of view, No original research, and Verifiability. Jointly these say that articles should not contain any novel analysis or synthesis, that material likely to be challenged needs a reliable source, and that all majority and significant-minority views published in reliable sources should be represented fairly and proportionately. Should any inconsistency arise between this guideline and the content policies, the policies take precedence.
Inasmuch as NPOV, NOR, and V apply everywhere and to every point of view, FRINGE equally applies everywhere and to every point of view, majority and minority alike.
To recap, "fringe theory" from the mouths of different editors at different times may mean:
I hope you found this review entertaining and edifying. Sennalen ( talk) 23:44, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
You can still use Wikipedia:Unblock Ticket Request System to appeal, but it makes little sense for an indefinitely blocked editor to be discussing anything with other editors, let alone articles. Doug Weller talk 09:06, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
is declined. -- Yamla ( talk) 14:08, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
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Here's your chance. Sennalen ( talk) 00:06, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
Sennalen ( talk) 13:41, 30 November 2023 (UTC)If any RfC or interpretation of an RfC leads to removals of sources like [7] [8] [9] it is time to pause and reflect on whether something has gone wrong. These are the kinds of sources that should be used in the first place to determine what is or isn't fringe. The fact that WP:FRINGE guidelines are being used to remove them points to deep dysfunction in the policy.
The cultural Marxism conspiracy theory is based on lies and distortions about the Frankfurt School. There are some who have chosen to counter this with lies and distortions in the opposite direction, rather than simply the truth. Ultimately, that plays into the hands of the greater proto-fascist threat, MAGA. Nothing helps the apparent credibility of right-wing disinformation more than easily debunked disinformation from the left. That includes the continual insistence, against evidence, that the phrase "cultural Marxism" is a special shibboleth only of the right. I know that that alone has helped radicalized some people.
a good thing.
identifying with it around 2010were using the term with an element of self-deprecation, though probably not irony. At least that is the way I remember how those intersectional speech communities were functioning at the time. Newimpartial ( talk) 22:42, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
Hello. I had to revert your additions to the Donald Trump page, as I didn't think there was a consensus for it. At the moment, an editor is planning an RFC for the topic. GoodDay ( talk) 16:19, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
This is just to let you know that you are mentioned in the ANI report here: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#XMcan_stirring_up_trouble. I apologise if this creates any additional unwanted drama for you but I think this might be the only way to put a stop to the disruption. Please feel free to comment, or not, as you see fit. DanielRigal ( talk) 20:01, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
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Sorry to see how the AE played out. You're the most graceful person I've ever noticed in all my 15 years on Wikipedia, I doubt you'd have learnt or grown much from being on here, so it may be for the best. FeydHuxtable ( talk) 14:47, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
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While people are here, let me call attention to Brown_dwarf#Iron,_silicate_and_sulfide_clouds where zinc sulfide is misspelled as "zink sulfide". Sennalen ( talk) 05:15, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
able to show that the changes are productive and they have independent reasons for making such edits. Editors must be able to make and receive requests in order for such a burden of proof to ever come into play. Sennalen ( talk) 14:53, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
Editors in turn are not permitted to post or edit material at the direction of a banned or blocked editor- if you are telling people on your talk page to do something, you are "directing" them to do so. That is the stipulation you are looking for in your reply to Novem. Primefac ( talk) 14:59, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
In most cases, a site-wide blocked user will only be able to edit their own user talk page, with no mention of any restriction, and
editing of the user's talk page should be disabled only in cases of continued abuse of their user talk page, or when the user has engaged in serious threats, accusations, or attempts at outing that must be prevented from re-occurring, which seems to suggest that anything goes apart from that. Doesn't sound like you are limited to requesting unblocking to me. Tewdar 16:45, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
abuse ofyour
user talk page... Tewdar 16:46, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
abuse of their user talk page. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but it is clearly believed by many. Newimpartial ( talk) 17:11, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
Just as the OHG ('partnership') was already facing ruin before the National Socialist seizure of power and was only formally the sole shareholder, but actually belonged to banks and other creditors, also the family of Hans Lachmann-Mosse had already broken up even before political, and perhaps partly too —especially in view of the 8,000 creditors— economic reasons necessitated the flight and emigration of its members.Tewdar 15:14, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
in April 1933 [Lachman-Mosse] had left for Paris seeking refuge, not only from the Nazis but also from business creditors. It only claims that unspecified members of the family "perhaps partly" emigrated at for economic reasons at unspecified times.
I was content to leave it alone for awhile, but since it looks like a wave of gravedancing has commenced, it is high time to clear my name. It would be best if the admin who implemented the block puts things right, so at this time this is a request directed to Galobtter only. (She asked in reply to my email that the request be posted publicly here.)
The issue that seemed to be the tipping point for Galobtter was the allegation that this edit [11] was malign source misrepresentation. As was pointed out by several others at AE, it was a totally accurate representation of the source. I did not have the opportunity in December to further demonstrate that it was also a good faith improvement to the encyclopedia. I wrote the edit summary "counterpoint" since it was reacting to [12] which introduced the claim that Marcuse was "not widely remembered" outside niche contexts. I knew that to be patently false, at a minimum because of the conservative hullaballoo around political correctness. Since the dubious assertion that Marcuse was not remembered was from Stanley Aronowitz, a notable figure in a reliable source, I did not seek to remove it, but added contrasting reliable information, as is recommended by WP:NPOVHOW. I could have used Kors and Silverglade directly as a source, given that they are independently notable and reliably published, but I sought an appropriate secondary source, as one should. I had many to choose from, but deliberately selected one not friendly to Kors and Silverglade's position. It fully corroborates that Kors and Silverglade (who are not niche Marxist scholars) placed great emphasis on Marcuse's influence in the culture wars, QED. The opinions of Kors and Silverglade are the primary topic of the review, so that was by no means cherrypicked. Furthermore, Reitz does not at any point contradict the idea that Marcuse had a formative influence on campus speech codes. Rather, Reitz argues simply that Marcuse was right about campus speech codes, which is tangential in this circumstance. I went over the source with a fine-toothed comb for anything that looked like an essential counter-weight to Kors and Silverglade, but Reitz' opinions were simply off-topic in the context of whether Marcuse was remembered. To say more would have been coatracking. It could probably be used somewhere else, like the article for Repressive Tolerance, but at that particular moment I was paying attention only to the question of Marcuse's enduring relevance, since I had expanded that section a few months prior. [13] The overall pattern of editing does not support the notion I was pushing the views of Kors and Silverglade any more than the idea I was pushing views of say, Myriam Malinovich [14] around that time. My use of sources and holistic consideration of competing policy considerations should not be judged as merely acceptable but as a model for emulation.
Rather than asking me about the careful research and nuanced, multilayered policy analyses which inform each of my edits, the audience at AE made assumptions about my motives and went on a fishing expedition for evidence to justify what appeared to be a pre-determined outcome that I must be banned for something, anything. It's cliche for an unblock appeal to say that I didn't do anything wrong, but in that hearing I begged for anyone to actually identify something I did wrong, and no one delivered. My involvement with the Falun Gong was limited to pushing back at the nakedly hostile religious bias that Bloodofox rightly got warned for. When I asked what the allegations against me were in the Falun Gong topic area, instead of an answer I just got hit with new allegations saying I had done something in the Race and IQ area. What had I done wrong with Race and IQ? Also totally unspecified. Much ado was made of the fact that I had simply made edits in various areas, without regard to the quality of those edits. So what? Every watcher at the FRINGE noticeboard has edited in a variety of CTOPs. It is rare that any of them matches my commitments to science, sources, civility, and Wikipedia policy while doing so. Any concern about CLEANSTART policy is a red herring when there was no problematic behavior from the past to avoid repeating, and no problematic behavior in the present either.
That brings us to the actual topic I originally brought to AE myself, Covid origins. I can't say it loud enough: I was the defender of science in that question. I wrote a substantial and thoroughly researched article on zoonotic theories of Covid's origin. [15] It was scoped smaller than the Origin of Covid-19 parent topic, but was of drastically greater relevance, sourcing, and organization than anything already existing. A couple of editors immediately set about trying to decimate it on the false pretense that the sources were inadequate, while the real point of contention was that I do not equivocate between what is "likely" with what is known. That kind of epistemic humility is crucial to legitimate, unpoliticized scientific inquiry. The most serious and concrete allegation against me was Bon courage saying that I improperly used a weak or primary sources to undermine a strong secondary source (Pekar, Magee, Parker, et al.) Well, since then he also scrubbed Pekar from the article on the basis that it was supposedly a primary source too. [16] [17] You know what reliable secondary sources could have contextualized it? The very ones he removed earlier. Meanwhile, Pekar is still used in the lede of the parent Origin of Covid-19 article. Not just Pekar (which is fine), but truly excrable sources like blogs, newswires, Frontiers journals, discredited political commissions, RSOPINION, and non-peer-reviewed correspondences. In. The. Lede. The hypocrisy is appalling. Wikipedia needs much more of the kind of knowledge and integrity I bring to the table.
The idea I have pushed pseudo-science across multiple CTOPs can't hold water when there is absolutely no instance in which I have pushed pseudo-science in even one topic, ever. I deserve unblocking and an amendedment to the block log defending my name. Furthermore, the grievances I naively came to AE seeking relief for, and which are still damaging the project, are in want of redress. Sennalen ( talk) 06:22, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
Sennalen ( talk) 20:03, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
The following pertains to my impending unblock appeal.
Criticisms about my edits at Western Marxism come in medias res of a long-running conversation among Newimpartial, Tewdar, an Australian IP, and myself. Besides being a post-1990 conspiracy theory, "cultural Marxism" is a term in scholarship dating to 1973. [1] [2] Editors who do not want to pull on that thread at Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory often say the content should go at Marxist cultural analysis or Western Marxism. [19] [20] [21] [22] My initial decision to go to Western Marxism was thus based on community feedback.
The source [23] and claim [24] that I added were based on a prior discussion that reached a rough consensus that the source was usable at least for the exact phrasing that Western Marxism is "also known as" cultural Marxism. [25]
It was reverted first by MrOllie with the edit summary, "not accurate, and not a good source for such a claim". [26] At that point what I should have done was go to the talk page, link the prior discussion, and ask MrOllie explain why he believed the source was inadequate. However, I made a snap judgement that in retrospect was an assumption of bad faith, that Mr. Ollie did not have substantive reasoning and would object to any similar claim from any source. Everything that follows can be considered an object lesson in the kinds of disruption that can follow when editors assume bad faith. What I did was to restore the claim, the original source, and a further six sources.
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Most of these are not sources for the interpretive claim that Western Marxism can be known as cultural Marxism so much as it is examples of Marxism being "caught in the act" of being known as. Taken together they lend support to "known as", but not in the most concise or unambiguous way. The main exception is Beibei and Cristaudo, which does directly buttress the claim. I should have dispensed with the rest and raised Beibei and Cristaudo in discussion.
After I hit two counter-reverts, Generalrelative went for the 3rd revert [27] with the interpretation that WP:ONUS excused them from any obligation to discuss. Lacking any specific objections from MrOllie or GeneralRelative that I could respond to, I started the talk page discussion with a scattershot of points in favor of the content. [28] Discussion by MrOllie and later by PatrickJWelsh critiqued only the single Tuters source and the fact that it discusses the conspiracy theory. I had included Tuters in the list of sources in order to ensure the collection was well-rounded and did not bury the role of the phrase in the conspiracy theory; however, I should have anticipated that including any source about the conspiracy theory would instead redirect all discussion towards the conspiracy theory. That was especially since it was the only one of the six new sources that was online without a paywall. This hearkens back to the theme of assuming bad faith - yet knowing that there was a controversy, it was a mistake on my part not to provide text quotes of all of them off the bat.
To help the room articulate their objections about the non-conspiracy Trent Schroyer theory and the other six of seven sources, I composed a list of ready-made disagreements other editors might want to have. [29] That was successful in propelling the discussion forward, especially towards some good points raised by the Australian IP. My perspective had gotten too much inside the box of trying to prove things to other editors, when I should have been thinking about the readers of the article. Since certain RSOPINIONs had denied the history of the phrase "cultural Marxism" before 1990, the question of the phrase's origin has taken on undue importance in talk page discussions. I had implicitly adopted that orientation. Although MOS:ALTNAME provided a nominal reason for the "also known as" claim to go in the lede, just inserting that was glossing over a great deal of intellectual history in who used what terms and why. After sketching an outline of a better approach, I withdrew to reconsider. [30] I was then done with the thread, though Newimpartial and the Australian IP continued to parse some finer points.
To recap, it was a mistake to overcite and a mistake not to provide quotes preemptively. Moreoever, the overall concept of the edit was not as good as it could have been. That said, the episode does not reflect any systematic deficiency in my editing. It was intended as an improvement to the encyclopedia and supported by policy, reliable sourcing, and prior consensus. I was sensitive to feedback and consensus both before and throughout the process, even going so far as to moderate my own debate and elicit actionable feedback from editors who were reluctant to provide it initially. Despite the errors, the thread overall was a positive example of how to WP:NEGOTIATE. Sennalen ( talk) 15:55, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
References
The fact that the term was littered throughout scholarly literature for decades can quickly be seen by entering it in Google scholar. It had also been commonly used as conversational shorthand for decades and, in all likelihood, even before the term initially appeared in print in 1973 in Trent Schroyer's The Critique of Domination: The Origins and Development of Critical Theory.
Within the confines of this skeptical left-wing sector of the American intelligentsia, one can discern several distinct traditions of social thought and political praxis. Two will concern us here. One strain, derived from Critical Marxism, we will call Cultural Marxism. (...) For a definition of Cultural Marxism, broadly similar to mine, see Trent Schroyer, The Critique of Domination (...) Although a minor presence in American academia, Cultural Marxism is among the most revered of left-wing theoretical orientations.
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Request reason:
Please copy my appeal below to the arbitration enforcement noticeboard. Sennalen ( talk) 16:38, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
Decline reason:
Appeal declined at AE. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 23:35, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
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The block violated WP:Blocking policy.
Some well-meaning but misplaced concerns were raised about the WP:CLEANSTART policy. It is not required to notify anyone when making a clean start. The policy page's advice about not editing in controversial topics pertained to avoiding past misdeeds, which was not a circumstance that pertained to me. Bradv confirmed that I was not under any prior sanctions and that I have a legitimate reason not to disclose my former account name.
Disruption was alleged in multiple CTOPs, but all of the actions attributed to me either did not take place or do not constitute disruptions according to Wikipedia policy. There is no cause to believe I will cause disruption at a later time.
To recap, with reference to the criteria at WP:BLOCKP:
The origin of SARS-CoV-2, as well as its mode of introduction into the human population, are unknown at present.[3]
SARS-CoV-2, the causative agent of COVID-19, emerged in December 2019. Its origins remain uncertain.[4]
The initial outbreak of human cases of the virus was connected to the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan, and while related viruses have been found in horseshoe bats and pangolins, their divergence represents decades of evolution leaving the direct origin of the pandemic unknown.[5]
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Tewdar 15:46, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
National Health Service microbiologist, and Jared Roach, who according to their article
was involved in a project to map out the molecular phylogenetics of Washington state's initial SARS-CoV-2 outbreak.Hmm. I'd put a sarcastic comment here, but I'm 1–0 at ANI, and I'd like to keep my perfect record intact. Tewdar 16:16, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
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Seraphimblade:, I was surprised by your comment at AE that I did not seem capable of recognizing what is a fringe topic.
I don't know if that means you were unaware of my writings on exactly that subject, or if you read them and weren't a fan. Either way, the definition of a fringe topic can be contextual and has several informal meanings that emerged over time. Revisiting the basics could be a learning experience for editors, new and old.
Initially FRINGE was guidance about WP:NOTABILITY only, focused on the question of whether pseudoscience topics should have stand-alone articles. However, even at that point it actually owed a lot to the within-article principle of WP:WEIGHT. The circumstance that motivated the guidance to be written was Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Aetherometry_(2nd_nomination), a kind of pseudoscience that had some dubious sources in support but had never come to the attention of any legitimate scientific publication. A naive approach would have had an article singing this pseudoscience's praises, since that was the tenor of sources that paid any attention to it, but the community consensus was that the very silence of the mainstream actually spoke volumes. The reasoning at AfD was that in such a case where the mainstream is silent, it's impossible to write an article with due weight; for that reason, the article should not exist. FRINGE in its early form served to retrospectively document this "dark matter" theory of invisible WP:WEIGHT.
ideas which are accepted or at least somewhat discussed as being plausible within major publications (large-circulation newspapers or magazines) or respected and peer-reviewed scientific publications.Assuming that "fringe" and "non-mainstream" were supposed to be equivalent, that would make a fringe theory an idea that is not considered plausible by any large-circulation newspaper, magazine, or scientific publication. I think the yardstick now ought to be largely the same as the simple formulation from 2006 - that an idea is fringe if it's not mainstream, and it's mainstream if it has support from mainstream sources (with preference to quality academic journals if they exist in the field).
fringe theory is used in a broad sense to describe an idea that departs significantly from the prevailing views or mainstream views in its particular field. It does not give as much concrete guidance about the definition of "mainstream" as the earlier form of the page did, nor does it give a rule on how much of a departure from the mainstream is "significant". The lack of explicit bright lines in the current FRINGE guidance is unfortunate. It leaves a lot of latitude for reasonable interpretations about whether new developments in areas such as unconventional superconductor or Modified Newtonian dynamics qualify as "fringe" or not. Sometimes a consensus on these things emerges easily, but contentious topics have a way of inviting motivated reasoning.
Arguments about fringe theories have been escalated to ArbCom a few times. ArbCom in 2009
[41] defined "fringe science" (at least for its own ruling) as matters which purport to be science, or use its trappings and terminology but are not usually regarded as such by the general scientific community; and to matters which do not claim to be scientific but nevertheless make claims that are normally considered within the purview of science.
That perspective makes a distinction not so much about sources or level of acceptance but about adherence to the scientific method. ArbCom had earlier in 2006
[42] made reference both to scientfic method and to support among scientists in the definition, Alternative theoretical formulations which have a following within the scientific community are not pseudoscience, but part of the scientific process.
Increasingly, a new interpretation of "fringe theory" has gained ground on Wikipedia, which has no basis in either the older or newer wording of WP:FRINGE, the ArbCom rulings, or any of the policies that these things derived from. This interpretation relies on forming a community consensus that an idea is so false, ridiculous, or dangerous that it must always be rejected, regardless of sources. Rather than using sources to identify the mainstream, it pre-ordains what the mainstream is supposed to be and judges sources accordingly. This violates the basic requirement of
WP:NPOV, to describe disputes, but not engage in them
as well as the 2009 Fringe ArbCom ruling that, The purpose of an encyclopedia is to state neutrally the current knowledge in a field, not to put forward arguments to promote or deride any particular view. In particular, conjectures that hold significant prominence must no more be suppressed than be promoted as factual.
Despite these bright line violations, this sort of perspective is a common meaning of "fringe" on talk pages now, and the current regulatory environment is friendly to it.
Although that rogue perspective is wrong on the balance, it's still true that FRINGE guidelines do apply to significant minorities and alternative theoretical formulations. That's because FRINGE remains, as always, an explanatory supplement to more fundamental policies. The page bears the caveat, The governing policies regarding fringe theories are the three core content policies, Neutral point of view, No original research, and Verifiability. Jointly these say that articles should not contain any novel analysis or synthesis, that material likely to be challenged needs a reliable source, and that all majority and significant-minority views published in reliable sources should be represented fairly and proportionately. Should any inconsistency arise between this guideline and the content policies, the policies take precedence.
Inasmuch as NPOV, NOR, and V apply everywhere and to every point of view, FRINGE equally applies everywhere and to every point of view, majority and minority alike.
To recap, "fringe theory" from the mouths of different editors at different times may mean:
I hope you found this review entertaining and edifying. Sennalen ( talk) 23:44, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
You can still use Wikipedia:Unblock Ticket Request System to appeal, but it makes little sense for an indefinitely blocked editor to be discussing anything with other editors, let alone articles. Doug Weller talk 09:06, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
is declined. -- Yamla ( talk) 14:08, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
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There is a Wikipedia:Administrative action review regarding Doug Weller’s decision to indefinitely block Sennalen from commenting here, on her talk page. XMcan ( talk) 01:04, 14 April 2024 (UTC)