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It appears that you have been canvassing—leaving messages on a biased choice of users' talk pages to notify them of an ongoing community decision, debate, or vote—in order to influence Talk:Ben Shapiro. While friendly notices are allowed, they should be limited and nonpartisan in distribution and should reflect a neutral point of view. Please do not post notices which are indiscriminately cross-posted, which espouse a certain point of view or side of a debate, or which are selectively sent only to those who are believed to hold the same opinion as you. Remember to respect Wikipedia's principle of consensus-building by allowing decisions to reflect the prevailing opinion among the community at large. Thank you. MrOllie ( talk) 22:24, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
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You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.
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Here are the diffs of you reverting to include clearly disputed content: [5] [6].
In addition, I see that your recent comment on the article talk page includes this explicit accusation of bad faith: [7]
Some editors want to maintain that CM and CMCT are one-to-one equivalents (fully interchangeable terms) and that any deviation from this orthodoxy is subversive. This is also the reason why some editors are bending over backwards to argue against the applicability of MOS:FIRST.
Article talk pages are not an appropriate place to speculate about the imagined motivations of other editors. Coming on the heals of a 72-hour block, one would expect you to be more circumspect. Please refrain from these behaviors in the future to save us all the hassle of adjudicating this on a noticeboard. Generalrelative ( talk) 20:29, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. DanielRigal ( talk) 19:56, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
I was in the process of collapsing your discussion at Talk:Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory#Gaslighting, but 14.202.188.111 ( talk · contribs) beat me to it, and I got an edit conflict, but they did just what I would have. Since that edit is their only career edit at Wikipedia (at that address, anyway) in case you were inclined to laugh it off as an anon who doesn't know the rules, I came here to let you know that their action in collapsing your comments was entirely correct. Although you've been here over ten years, you have only 150 edits, so I'll give you some newbie slack, and just recommend that at an article Talk page, you stick strictly to the topic of how to improve the article, and avoid discussing other editors, and what their opinions or biases might or might not be. Have a look at WP:TALK (starting with the nutshell) and WP:TALKOFFTOPIC, and you should also check out WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA. I see now that you've been taken to ANI, so I'll let it go here, but if you have any questions, feel free to reply below, or you can go to the Wikipedia:Help desk any time. Good luck! Mathglot ( talk) 03:05, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
I'm issuing you this polite courtesy warning that if you open the discussion at Talk:Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory#Gaslighting up again, you will be reported to the Administrative Incidents Notice Board, as you are using the talk page improperly. The hatnote closure was made so that people could still be led to Sennallen's talk page should they want to discuss the issues raised. You should complete your statements there, where you are free to.
This will be your final warning, please let's not make this difficult, you're clearly in violation of Wikipedia's policies, and no one here has the authority to act unilaterally against them. The Administrative Incident Notice board is likely to take the fact that you were warned into account when issuing any subsequent actions. 14.202.188.111 ( talk) 03:41, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
It is very unfortunate that after all this you decided once more to revert at the Talk page ( diff) in order to expose a discussion that you believe belongs there, although four different editors have told you it does not. In your edit summary, you said:
but it is your actions of insisting on your own way in the face of concerted opposition that is disrespectful, contemptuous even. There is no censoring going on, and the policies have already been pointed out to you. Once again, the most basic purpose of an article Talk page is to discuss improvements to the article. Your actions violate numerous policies and guidelines, discussing other editors is a violation of WP:TALK, and your fourth edit to insist on exposing off-topic material violates WP:CONSENSUS and amounts to WP:Edit warring. There is more, but that is bad enough already. You may not discuss other editors at an article Talk page, so just don't do it, and that means collapsing your thread. Just from the point of view of courtesy, ignoring the view of everyone around you and insisting on having it your own way is not very WP:CIVIL, and comes off as arrogant and disrespectful, despite your words. I'm at a loss to understand your actions after this was already explained to you more than once. Don't you understand that you are risking a block if you don't rein it in, or don't you care?
I strongly advise you to self-revert your last change at Talk:Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory#Gaslighting; you don't have to agree with it, and you can add an edit summary saying that you don't agree with collapsing the thread but that you are doing it temporarily until there's a Consensus to keep it open, or some such if you wish. You are still inexperienced here, even if not exactly new, and it takes a while to get familiar with the numerous guidelines and policies, and so no one expects you to know them all at this point. However, if an editor points out a problem, and you keep on doing it over and over, the slack due a new user evaporates, and what's left is just the impression of a lone wolf going their own way, and everyone else can go to the devil. That is pretty much the image your are projecting; I don't know if you are aware of that. Wikipedia is at its core a collaborative enterprise, so that approach will not work.
Can I just ask what you hope to achieve at Wikipedia? Because whatever it is, if you get yourself blocked, you won't be able to pursue that goal. I've been around long enough to sniff the wind, and I can tell you that you will be blocked soon if you continue on this path. This is in no way a threat, as I have no power to block anybody; it's just a prediction from having seen this play out umpteen times before. It's kind of sad, really, as I think you have things to contribute, but it's like you're driving towards the cliff, and each time somebody yells at you to turn away, you step on the gas instead.
I've spent a lot of time and a lot of words trying to help, but I feel like it isn't helping. This is my final attempt to mediate with you and try to get you on the right path; I'll be looking for you in your next edit to undo your revert at Talk:CMct and I hope you do so. As always, feel free to reply or ask questions below, or at the Wikipedia:Help desk. I wish you the best, Mathglot ( talk) 07:59, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for your contribution(s). However, as a general rule, while user talk pages permit a small degree of generalisation, other talk pages are strictly for discussing improvements to their associated main pages, and many of them have special instructions on the top. They are not a general discussion forum about the article's topic or any other topic. If you have questions or ideas and are not sure where to post them, consider asking at the Teahouse. Thanks. Andre 🚐 04:40, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
:)
I have already too many tenants in my big head. Thanks for your concern ;))) Have a good one!
XMcan (
talk) 04:00, 9 December 2023 (UTC)I noticed in
this comment you said that it was nearly a decade since us dinosaurs broached our concerns
, which I assume means you're saying you were previously involved in the (at the time, fairly rancorous) discussions over the Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory on Wikipedia; however, your edit history has only five edits prior to 2022, none of them in that topic area. --
Aquillion (
talk) 07:31, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
Congrats, your use of edit summaries with your contributions is over 90 percent, and that's terrific, keep it up! Edit summaries should specify briefly what you changed; my personal view of is that the edit summary should describe why or how your change improved the article (because every change must improve the article in some way—no matter how small—otherwise you wouldn't have made it, right? Most of your edit summaries are just fine, so keep that going. On the other hand, there was one edit summary which was troubling, namely this one at Talk:CMCT where the entire edit summary was addressed to another editor, calling themin an accusatory way and in a kind of sarcastic or challenging tone. This goes against the purpose of the edit summary, as mentioned at Help:Edit summary#What to avoid in edit summaries, bullet #5:
Please have a look at Help:Edit summary and Wikipedia:Civility, to get some background on this. You'll see that your edit definitely crossed a line, but, imho, as a new editor, you are due a certain amount of slack, but not an endless amount. I think if this is the last time this happens, you'll be all right. But please don't fall into a habit or pattern of addressing other editors in edit summaries like that, or you'll end up having your editing privileges suspended. In conclusion, keep up the good work using summaries, but keep an eye on the content, so that it complies with policies and guidelines. Please feel free to reply below if you have questions, or you can ask at the Wikipedia:Help desk. Good luck! Mathglot ( talk) 08:35, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
I was disappointed to see your revert ( diff) at Talk:Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory of the discussion I just collapsed per WP:NOTFORUM, following a previous revert of yours only an hour earlier ( diff). This is not a good look, and does start to show a pattern of your using reverts as a way of insisting on your point of view, in the face of opposition from more experienced editors (previous example here). That's pretty much the definition of edit-warring, and is something that can get you blocked. The collaborative nature of the encyclopedia is paramount, and it's essential that you get on board with that. There's still time to do so, but that time is drawing short. Once again, if you have any questions, please reply below, or try the WP:Help desk. Mathglot ( talk) 09:00, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
You may be
blocked from editing without further warning the next time you use talk pages for
inappropriate discussions.
ScottishFinnishRadish (
talk) 09:47, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}
.
Valereee (
talk) 11:19, 12 December 2023 (UTC)To: @ ScottishFinnishRadish, @ ErikHaugen, @ Novem Linguae, @ Future Perfect at Sunrise, @ Valereee, @ JPxG, @ Bradv, @ Thryduulf
I was recently banned from the CMCT page and its Talk section after I opened this discussion there. Therefore, I will communicate with you here. I kindly request that only pinged editors leave comments in this section; others can use alternative sections or the CMCT talk.
Regarding my offending post referencing this 2014 Slate article, in retrospect, it could have been worded better. However, bringing the article up is not off-topic for many reasons, including but not limited to these:
Recently, an adequate and fairly neutral page on 'Cultural Marxism,' which traced the history of Marxist critical theory from Lukács to Adorno to Jameson, simply disappeared thanks to the efforts of a single editor.
@ScottishFinnishRadish: For all of the above reasons and more, I ask that you to reconsider hatting my discussion. Once the comment is unhated, if you wish, I can clarify why the discussion is relevant today, as I’ve done above. In the same vein, I ask @Valereee to reconsider my indef ban from CMCT on the grounds that repeated deletions of my Slate post and previous Gaslighting post were unwarranted. If anything, the censors should be sanctioned for silencing dissent and quashing discussion. I've already asked @Valereee to reverse the premature closure of the "Gaslighting" discussion, so I will not ask that again.
@ErikHaugen, regarding your comment [12], individuals who have attempted to propose such changes have faced backlash and bans. The most recent case was Sennalen, one of the few people with in-depth expertise in this subject area. She was indefinitely banned in what I perceive as an unfair and biased manner under vague accusations of “pushing fringe ideas.” In reality, her views on CMCT and a couple of other CTOPs she was involved with were the exact opposite of what she was accused of, as succinctly explained here.
@Novem Linguae, as you've experienced in your Antisemitism discussion, I encountered similar issues in my first post to the article about a month ago, where I raised comparable concerns: I. Antisemitism insinuations, II. Contemporary use. There is a common pattern: first, they revert your article edit without a cogent reason, and then when you open a discussion about it, it quickly devolves into incivility and bad-faith aspersions, or other forms of SQS.
The way I see it, there is a local consensus of ideologically motivated editors who resist and stonewall any attempts to separate CM from CMCT or change the lede away from emphasizing CM=CMCT. They have been emboldened by their success at silencing or demotivating those who challenge the status quo. Not only do they revert well-sourced edits, but they also shut down talk page discussions. When you try to reverse their censorship, they throw the rule book at you, while tolerating far worse behavior from their own circle, including incivility, bad faith aspersions, personal attacks, and user space harassment. How is one supposed to contribute when they revert both your article edits and the talk page posts? [13]
If my case is not the best example of how this circle operates, take a close look at Sennalen's AE case; losing her voice was an even greater loss for this encyclopedia. XMcan ( talk) 20:44, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
Given the lack of enthusiasm for exploring broader issues, let's wrap up this discussion with a simple poll. What key lesson should I draw from my recent experience?
Thanks to ScottishFinnishRadish, ErikHaugen, Novem Linguae, Future Perfect at Sunrise, Valereee, JPxG, Bradv, and Thryduulf for their attention, especially to those of you who have left comments. — Preceding unsigned comment added by XMcan ( talk • contribs)
There are many such discussions at Talk:James A. Lindsay and/or the archives of that page. But since you are still page blocked from the Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory article, I would suggest instead that you find some other topic. Continuing disruption around that topic on another article is deeply unwise. MrOllie ( talk) 19:50, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on James A. Lindsay. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.
Points to note:
If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Viriditas ( talk) 09:33, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Editor page blocked from one article moving to related article. Thank you. MrOllie ( talk) 22:49, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
Just to be clear, edits in Article space have nothing to do with WP:BLUDGEON. And the expectations for BLPs are that they follow the best sources accurately and with respect to policy, not that they take on the mealey-mouthed voice, overly deferential to the BLP subject's opinion of themselves, that some editors seem to prefer. Newimpartial ( talk) 22:56, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
Hello friend. When you get a chance, please move your reply at AE to its own section, instead of as a reply to someone else. This is a rule on many of the arbitration pages at Wikipedia, for anti-bludgeoning reasons. Thank you. – Novem Linguae ( talk) 20:45, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
Per consensus at the administrator's noticeboard ( permanent link), the following topic ban has been enacted:
Please read Wikipedia:Banning policy#Topic ban, Wikipedia:Banning policy#Exceptions to limited bans and Wikipedia:Banning policy#Evasion and enforcement.
Details regarding appealing a community-imposed topic ban are contained at Wikipedia:Banning policy#Appeals of bans imposed by the community. This topic ban will be logged at Wikipedia:Editing restrictions.
Regards
Daniel (
talk) 11:39, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
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It appears that you have been canvassing—leaving messages on a biased choice of users' talk pages to notify them of an ongoing community decision, debate, or vote—in order to influence Talk:Ben Shapiro. While friendly notices are allowed, they should be limited and nonpartisan in distribution and should reflect a neutral point of view. Please do not post notices which are indiscriminately cross-posted, which espouse a certain point of view or side of a debate, or which are selectively sent only to those who are believed to hold the same opinion as you. Remember to respect Wikipedia's principle of consensus-building by allowing decisions to reflect the prevailing opinion among the community at large. Thank you. MrOllie ( talk) 22:24, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
Hello, I'm Dronebogus. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, it's important to be mindful of the feelings of your fellow editors, who may be frustrated by certain types of interaction. While you probably didn't intend any offense, please do remember that Wikipedia strives to be an inclusive atmosphere. In light of that, it would be greatly appreciated if you could moderate yourself so as not to offend. Canvassing other users to target someone you don’t like via a totally unrelated dispute is exceptionally lousy behavior. Dronebogus ( talk) 21:43, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.
Points to note:
If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Generalrelative ( talk) 20:29, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Here are the diffs of you reverting to include clearly disputed content: [5] [6].
In addition, I see that your recent comment on the article talk page includes this explicit accusation of bad faith: [7]
Some editors want to maintain that CM and CMCT are one-to-one equivalents (fully interchangeable terms) and that any deviation from this orthodoxy is subversive. This is also the reason why some editors are bending over backwards to argue against the applicability of MOS:FIRST.
Article talk pages are not an appropriate place to speculate about the imagined motivations of other editors. Coming on the heals of a 72-hour block, one would expect you to be more circumspect. Please refrain from these behaviors in the future to save us all the hassle of adjudicating this on a noticeboard. Generalrelative ( talk) 20:29, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. DanielRigal ( talk) 19:56, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
I was in the process of collapsing your discussion at Talk:Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory#Gaslighting, but 14.202.188.111 ( talk · contribs) beat me to it, and I got an edit conflict, but they did just what I would have. Since that edit is their only career edit at Wikipedia (at that address, anyway) in case you were inclined to laugh it off as an anon who doesn't know the rules, I came here to let you know that their action in collapsing your comments was entirely correct. Although you've been here over ten years, you have only 150 edits, so I'll give you some newbie slack, and just recommend that at an article Talk page, you stick strictly to the topic of how to improve the article, and avoid discussing other editors, and what their opinions or biases might or might not be. Have a look at WP:TALK (starting with the nutshell) and WP:TALKOFFTOPIC, and you should also check out WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA. I see now that you've been taken to ANI, so I'll let it go here, but if you have any questions, feel free to reply below, or you can go to the Wikipedia:Help desk any time. Good luck! Mathglot ( talk) 03:05, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
I'm issuing you this polite courtesy warning that if you open the discussion at Talk:Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory#Gaslighting up again, you will be reported to the Administrative Incidents Notice Board, as you are using the talk page improperly. The hatnote closure was made so that people could still be led to Sennallen's talk page should they want to discuss the issues raised. You should complete your statements there, where you are free to.
This will be your final warning, please let's not make this difficult, you're clearly in violation of Wikipedia's policies, and no one here has the authority to act unilaterally against them. The Administrative Incident Notice board is likely to take the fact that you were warned into account when issuing any subsequent actions. 14.202.188.111 ( talk) 03:41, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
It is very unfortunate that after all this you decided once more to revert at the Talk page ( diff) in order to expose a discussion that you believe belongs there, although four different editors have told you it does not. In your edit summary, you said:
but it is your actions of insisting on your own way in the face of concerted opposition that is disrespectful, contemptuous even. There is no censoring going on, and the policies have already been pointed out to you. Once again, the most basic purpose of an article Talk page is to discuss improvements to the article. Your actions violate numerous policies and guidelines, discussing other editors is a violation of WP:TALK, and your fourth edit to insist on exposing off-topic material violates WP:CONSENSUS and amounts to WP:Edit warring. There is more, but that is bad enough already. You may not discuss other editors at an article Talk page, so just don't do it, and that means collapsing your thread. Just from the point of view of courtesy, ignoring the view of everyone around you and insisting on having it your own way is not very WP:CIVIL, and comes off as arrogant and disrespectful, despite your words. I'm at a loss to understand your actions after this was already explained to you more than once. Don't you understand that you are risking a block if you don't rein it in, or don't you care?
I strongly advise you to self-revert your last change at Talk:Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory#Gaslighting; you don't have to agree with it, and you can add an edit summary saying that you don't agree with collapsing the thread but that you are doing it temporarily until there's a Consensus to keep it open, or some such if you wish. You are still inexperienced here, even if not exactly new, and it takes a while to get familiar with the numerous guidelines and policies, and so no one expects you to know them all at this point. However, if an editor points out a problem, and you keep on doing it over and over, the slack due a new user evaporates, and what's left is just the impression of a lone wolf going their own way, and everyone else can go to the devil. That is pretty much the image your are projecting; I don't know if you are aware of that. Wikipedia is at its core a collaborative enterprise, so that approach will not work.
Can I just ask what you hope to achieve at Wikipedia? Because whatever it is, if you get yourself blocked, you won't be able to pursue that goal. I've been around long enough to sniff the wind, and I can tell you that you will be blocked soon if you continue on this path. This is in no way a threat, as I have no power to block anybody; it's just a prediction from having seen this play out umpteen times before. It's kind of sad, really, as I think you have things to contribute, but it's like you're driving towards the cliff, and each time somebody yells at you to turn away, you step on the gas instead.
I've spent a lot of time and a lot of words trying to help, but I feel like it isn't helping. This is my final attempt to mediate with you and try to get you on the right path; I'll be looking for you in your next edit to undo your revert at Talk:CMct and I hope you do so. As always, feel free to reply or ask questions below, or at the Wikipedia:Help desk. I wish you the best, Mathglot ( talk) 07:59, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for your contribution(s). However, as a general rule, while user talk pages permit a small degree of generalisation, other talk pages are strictly for discussing improvements to their associated main pages, and many of them have special instructions on the top. They are not a general discussion forum about the article's topic or any other topic. If you have questions or ideas and are not sure where to post them, consider asking at the Teahouse. Thanks. Andre 🚐 04:40, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
:)
I have already too many tenants in my big head. Thanks for your concern ;))) Have a good one!
XMcan (
talk) 04:00, 9 December 2023 (UTC)I noticed in
this comment you said that it was nearly a decade since us dinosaurs broached our concerns
, which I assume means you're saying you were previously involved in the (at the time, fairly rancorous) discussions over the Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory on Wikipedia; however, your edit history has only five edits prior to 2022, none of them in that topic area. --
Aquillion (
talk) 07:31, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
Congrats, your use of edit summaries with your contributions is over 90 percent, and that's terrific, keep it up! Edit summaries should specify briefly what you changed; my personal view of is that the edit summary should describe why or how your change improved the article (because every change must improve the article in some way—no matter how small—otherwise you wouldn't have made it, right? Most of your edit summaries are just fine, so keep that going. On the other hand, there was one edit summary which was troubling, namely this one at Talk:CMCT where the entire edit summary was addressed to another editor, calling themin an accusatory way and in a kind of sarcastic or challenging tone. This goes against the purpose of the edit summary, as mentioned at Help:Edit summary#What to avoid in edit summaries, bullet #5:
Please have a look at Help:Edit summary and Wikipedia:Civility, to get some background on this. You'll see that your edit definitely crossed a line, but, imho, as a new editor, you are due a certain amount of slack, but not an endless amount. I think if this is the last time this happens, you'll be all right. But please don't fall into a habit or pattern of addressing other editors in edit summaries like that, or you'll end up having your editing privileges suspended. In conclusion, keep up the good work using summaries, but keep an eye on the content, so that it complies with policies and guidelines. Please feel free to reply below if you have questions, or you can ask at the Wikipedia:Help desk. Good luck! Mathglot ( talk) 08:35, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
I was disappointed to see your revert ( diff) at Talk:Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory of the discussion I just collapsed per WP:NOTFORUM, following a previous revert of yours only an hour earlier ( diff). This is not a good look, and does start to show a pattern of your using reverts as a way of insisting on your point of view, in the face of opposition from more experienced editors (previous example here). That's pretty much the definition of edit-warring, and is something that can get you blocked. The collaborative nature of the encyclopedia is paramount, and it's essential that you get on board with that. There's still time to do so, but that time is drawing short. Once again, if you have any questions, please reply below, or try the WP:Help desk. Mathglot ( talk) 09:00, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
You may be
blocked from editing without further warning the next time you use talk pages for
inappropriate discussions.
ScottishFinnishRadish (
talk) 09:47, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}
.
Valereee (
talk) 11:19, 12 December 2023 (UTC)To: @ ScottishFinnishRadish, @ ErikHaugen, @ Novem Linguae, @ Future Perfect at Sunrise, @ Valereee, @ JPxG, @ Bradv, @ Thryduulf
I was recently banned from the CMCT page and its Talk section after I opened this discussion there. Therefore, I will communicate with you here. I kindly request that only pinged editors leave comments in this section; others can use alternative sections or the CMCT talk.
Regarding my offending post referencing this 2014 Slate article, in retrospect, it could have been worded better. However, bringing the article up is not off-topic for many reasons, including but not limited to these:
Recently, an adequate and fairly neutral page on 'Cultural Marxism,' which traced the history of Marxist critical theory from Lukács to Adorno to Jameson, simply disappeared thanks to the efforts of a single editor.
@ScottishFinnishRadish: For all of the above reasons and more, I ask that you to reconsider hatting my discussion. Once the comment is unhated, if you wish, I can clarify why the discussion is relevant today, as I’ve done above. In the same vein, I ask @Valereee to reconsider my indef ban from CMCT on the grounds that repeated deletions of my Slate post and previous Gaslighting post were unwarranted. If anything, the censors should be sanctioned for silencing dissent and quashing discussion. I've already asked @Valereee to reverse the premature closure of the "Gaslighting" discussion, so I will not ask that again.
@ErikHaugen, regarding your comment [12], individuals who have attempted to propose such changes have faced backlash and bans. The most recent case was Sennalen, one of the few people with in-depth expertise in this subject area. She was indefinitely banned in what I perceive as an unfair and biased manner under vague accusations of “pushing fringe ideas.” In reality, her views on CMCT and a couple of other CTOPs she was involved with were the exact opposite of what she was accused of, as succinctly explained here.
@Novem Linguae, as you've experienced in your Antisemitism discussion, I encountered similar issues in my first post to the article about a month ago, where I raised comparable concerns: I. Antisemitism insinuations, II. Contemporary use. There is a common pattern: first, they revert your article edit without a cogent reason, and then when you open a discussion about it, it quickly devolves into incivility and bad-faith aspersions, or other forms of SQS.
The way I see it, there is a local consensus of ideologically motivated editors who resist and stonewall any attempts to separate CM from CMCT or change the lede away from emphasizing CM=CMCT. They have been emboldened by their success at silencing or demotivating those who challenge the status quo. Not only do they revert well-sourced edits, but they also shut down talk page discussions. When you try to reverse their censorship, they throw the rule book at you, while tolerating far worse behavior from their own circle, including incivility, bad faith aspersions, personal attacks, and user space harassment. How is one supposed to contribute when they revert both your article edits and the talk page posts? [13]
If my case is not the best example of how this circle operates, take a close look at Sennalen's AE case; losing her voice was an even greater loss for this encyclopedia. XMcan ( talk) 20:44, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
Given the lack of enthusiasm for exploring broader issues, let's wrap up this discussion with a simple poll. What key lesson should I draw from my recent experience?
Thanks to ScottishFinnishRadish, ErikHaugen, Novem Linguae, Future Perfect at Sunrise, Valereee, JPxG, Bradv, and Thryduulf for their attention, especially to those of you who have left comments. — Preceding unsigned comment added by XMcan ( talk • contribs)
There are many such discussions at Talk:James A. Lindsay and/or the archives of that page. But since you are still page blocked from the Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory article, I would suggest instead that you find some other topic. Continuing disruption around that topic on another article is deeply unwise. MrOllie ( talk) 19:50, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on James A. Lindsay. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.
Points to note:
If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Viriditas ( talk) 09:33, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Editor page blocked from one article moving to related article. Thank you. MrOllie ( talk) 22:49, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
Just to be clear, edits in Article space have nothing to do with WP:BLUDGEON. And the expectations for BLPs are that they follow the best sources accurately and with respect to policy, not that they take on the mealey-mouthed voice, overly deferential to the BLP subject's opinion of themselves, that some editors seem to prefer. Newimpartial ( talk) 22:56, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
Hello friend. When you get a chance, please move your reply at AE to its own section, instead of as a reply to someone else. This is a rule on many of the arbitration pages at Wikipedia, for anti-bludgeoning reasons. Thank you. – Novem Linguae ( talk) 20:45, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
Per consensus at the administrator's noticeboard ( permanent link), the following topic ban has been enacted:
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Regards
Daniel (
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