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In Peter J. Parish's Reader's Guide to American History, pages 119–121, he surveys the leading literature up to 1997 on the subject of the years 1854 to 1860 in US history, regarding Kansas and Dred Scott. Parish gives his highest marks to David M. Potter's The Impending Crisis, 1848–1861 from 1976. I think Potter should be considered the go-to source for mainstream consensus on the topic. Potter treats the subject of the Panic of 1857 only on page 307 of his book, and does not position the Dred Scott decision as critical to the Panic. Parish notes that various authors give more and less credence to Dred Scott as a factor in the Panic.
Unfortunately, Parish's 1997 book does not list the 1991 paper by Charles W. Calomiris and Larry Schweikart: "The Panic of 1857: Origins, Transmission, and Containment". Thus we do not have Parish's direct opinion about the paper, but I should think that if it were important Parish would have listed it. Schweikart has been widely criticized for presenting a revisionist history to the US public, for making his conclusions based on nationalistic pride rather than primary evidence.
James L. Huston is another heavy hitter on the subject of the US in the 19th century. His 1987 works are cited in the Panic of 1857 article to good effect. Huston says that the failure of the "highly esteemed" Ohio Life Insurance and Trust Company was the immediate cause of the Panic, not Dred Scott. He wrote on the subject again in 2003, citing many previous historians: Calculating the Value of the Union: Slavery, Property Rights, and the Economic Origins of the Civil War. He does not mention Calomiris or Schweikart at all.
I got to the Panic article today by way of cleaning up after User:RoswellAliens who has added a lot of uncited text to the Larry Schweikart biography article. Plenty of this editor's work has been questionable, and even quickly reverted, such as this bit of POV at the Woodstock article which only lasted 11 minutes. Four years ago, RoswellAliens made this revisionist edit to the Robert Peary article, adding a Schweikart work which appears to be overstated in importance in addition to the fact that it contradicts other authors. There, RoswellAliens refers to a "previous article" by Schweikart but does not name it, and I cannot find it to save my life, which leads me to think RoswellAliens is very closely connected to Schweikart. The Dred Scott v. Sandford article was targeted in May 2009 by RoswellAliens in this Schweikart cite, one which I think is worded far too strongly given the consensus viewpoints of other historians. (This is the paragraph and cite that I removed today, the same one you restored soon after.) In looking at these POV edits I was spurred to hunt for other editors who might be pushing Schweikart and I found this addition to the Panic article, made by an IP from the University of Dayton where Schweikart works, citing Schweikart.
Certainly Schweikart has his fans, but I think we need to minimize his impact on Wikipedia, at least on topics where his opinion goes against the tide. Binksternet ( talk) 15:31, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
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Thank you for replying so quickly. I'm working on a project for my 5th Grade social studies class. In my fee time, I write stub articles. SmartyPantsKid ( talk) 20:45, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
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I see you're one of the main contributors to this article and your credentials seem impressive, but c'mon, you know that reliable sources are needed. You seem like you are in a prime position to have access to those sources so I don't know why you'd add content that seems really POVish without a source. Plus, I just found some blatant plagiarism in that article about a week ago and I haven't had time to go through it so removing the close paraphrasing tag so soon seems nonconstructive. Finally, as far as ref improve, I removed content that wasn't at all in the ref that was supporting that sentence. So I'd appreciate it if you'd not remove the tags until some folks who arn't heavily involved in the article have a chance to look through it. I'm working on the paraphrasing, myself, but I can only do it when I have time. I've been working through it slowly.--v/r - T P 22:23, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
My first edit was a deletion of content that was contaminated by unsourced POV with the hope that it would either be sourced to support the text before it was put back in, or that it would be re-worded to agree with the cited source. I'm willing to trust you can back up your claim that the text I deleted was consensus. I'm definitely not as accomplished as you are, but the text deleted was not supported by the source. Your revert was therefore based on either your POV or sources that you didn't include as citations. I assume the latter is the case. I've again edited the sentence, this time editing it to more accurately represent the cited source rather than simply deleting it. If you have authoritative sources supporting the previous and more strongly worded version I'd welcome the addition of these sources and the reverting of my latest edit.
My reason for getting involved with that article was due to the superlative nature of the statement. While I agree with it in abstract, I felt it was suspiciously non-NPOV so I checked the source. The source didn't support the wording used, so I deleted the phrase. Perhaps I should have taken the time to edit it rather than delete it, but I edit wikipedia as a hobby, motivation was low, and no information is better than inaccurate information. I might have been slower with the edit button if the phrase wasn't inherently subjective to begin with, irrespective of the authority behind it.
Unrelated to the article's accuracy, and thus fairly unimportant, perhaps you should be more careful before accusing bias. I deleted one phrase, not even a full sentence, that was an editorialization based on the source rather than being based on the source from a NPOV. Assume good faith in the future, if you please. AaronMP84 ( talk) 09:27, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
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Hello, I've noticed you're the major contributor to the History of Ontario page. I've been working on the Upper Canada and Province of Canada pages, and have beefed them up considerably. I have also added the History of Ontario navbox to link all three pages by period. that said, the Upper Canada and Canada West sections of the History of Ontario page are now redundant ( and it's anachronistic to include them in the history of Ontario). Would you be amenable to merging that material with the other pages so that the post-confederation history has room to expand?
Thank you for the new Canadian articles .... pls take a look at Wikipedia talk:Canadian Wikipedians' notice board#New articles on women and on sports ... if I missed any pls add them. Moxy ( talk) 17:59, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
I know you are probably tired of this topic, but I have a few questions. Today you reverted my last revision on the New Deal. One of your reasons was that Mussolini and FDR didn't have a personal relationship. What I said was that Mussolini and FDR had made personal contact. Stanley Payne in his History of Fascism said the following: “His initial attitude was in fact more positive towards the American administration, and the Duce and Roosevelt established personal contact even before Roosevelt was inaugurated.”
You can find this quote at Amazon (the page number I cited may be wrong). The point I was trying to make was that FDR was interested in Mussolini's policies before he took office. This seems relevant in view of Roosevelt's denial of any interest in fascist-type policies in the block quote. My first question is, given this information, is the mention of personal contact valid? (Incidentally, I've never said or thought that the New Deal was fascist. The point I'm trying to make is that there are a lot of similarities.)
Second, you also objected to my statement on how the New Deal violated some rights. I did not intend to provide a POV, but to show that some people felt that contrary to FDR's question, their economic rights were violated. Does this information affect your opinion?
Third, there are several times that I have tried to provide a quote from Harold Ickes diary. The objection is that it is from a primary source. The Wiki policy is that primary sources are valid in limited circumstances. In fact, the New Deal article cites primary sources such as Raymond Moley and FDR himself.
Fourth, should the section on fascism be dropped? It is tangenital to the history of the New Deal.
Finally, I'm relatively new to Wikipedia editing. Would you consider being an informal and occasional mentor? My main question would be regarding appropriateness of references and content.
Thank you in advance. LesLein ( talk) 02:21, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
Since I'm more or less done with the renovation work, I'd be grateful for any comments you might have.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 16:56, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
I just noticed that you deleted some material that I had added to the Jefferson Davis article some years ago regarding his post-war residence in Memphis. I considered this information important because it is difficult to find references to Davis' years in Memphis, and to Memphians, the Peabody Hotel has been an important (and historic) place. So connecting Davis to the Peabody is significant. I intend to add back my information. -- Zeamays ( talk) 01:05, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
Do you really believe that the quote from the Ickes diary is falsified? If so, who is the falsifier? Did you check the source I used? Both the author and publication have impeccable scholarly credentials. Have you checked out the New Deal's talk page lately? I think you should. Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LesLein ( talk • contribs) 00:04, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
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Have a pecan butter tart on me, for finding the page refs for the Laura Secord article I requested! Also, I enjoyed reading your "Military History on the Electronic Frontier" article.
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I happened across a couple of your edits today and I was impressed by the way you seem to go around making high quality and constructive edits. Then I saw that you had over 60,000 edits. I thank you for the good work you are doing, (both quality and quantity) and commend you for sticking with the project for so long. ~ Adjwilley ( talk) 01:51, 28 January 2013 (UTC) |
Okay, thanks for fixing the date, and also rewriting parts of the list Jjjjjjjjjj ( talk) 07:16, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for catching that 1964 typo. The other copyedits look good, although I guess the linking is because this is more related to the history of the parties than how they currently exist. — Crisco 1492 ( talk) 23:32, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
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For you work on India–United States relations.The article looks much better after your work. But the references, and external links sections are still pretty messed up. :) Anir1uph | talk | contrib 14:45, 3 February 2013 (UTC) |
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Hello Rjensen. Although I have a lot of respect for the many edits you've contributed to Wikipedia, particularly the tough political variety, I undid your edit on The Washington Post article. I don't believe the source you gave indicated the paper's political ideology. In fact, most sources inside the article indicate otherwise. Also, I believe we must differentiate between a media outlets news section and opinion/editorial pages. For example, I live in the Detroit area and know that the Detroit News opinion pages lean conservative, and the Detroit Free Press have liberal editorials, but much of the content in both outlets are fact based news stories without editorial commentary. In any case, lest we open ourselves up to interpretation edits to articles like these( 1, 2, 3), with this type of reasoning, we should be prudent in our political designations of media outlets. Thanks. Dave Dial ( talk) 11:16, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Richard, per your request I rewrote the Yellowstone Park paragraph on the Grant article to give it a bit more historical accuracy and better sourcing. Trust all is well in sunny Billings. -- Mike Cline ( talk) 21:14, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
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Good news. Contributor Mike Cline ( talk) and myself worked out an edit for Yellowstone National Park in the Presidency of Ulysses S. Grant article. Mike wrote most of the Yellowstone segment and posted the final draft. Turns out the Northern Pacific Railroad had a financial interest in the Yellowstone afterall. An 1870 expedition recommended the NPR put in a railroad line to Yellowstone. Around the turn of the 20th Century the NPR had put in a line for tourists to Yellowstone. Cmguy777 ( talk) 06:29, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
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Since you were one of the people involved I wanted to let you know about this. Thanks. -- Tarage ( talk) 06:10, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
As you may have seen, it was promoted to FA. Thank you for your help with it.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 14:05, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
I noticed you made this edit to the article German Caribbean, which previously seemed to be a clever hoax perpetrated by another editor (and is currently being discussed for deletion here). The information you added appears to be legitimate (in contrast to the rest of the article, which seems considerably more dubious), and you seem to have some expertise on the topic, so I wanted to get your input on if the topic of "German Caribbean" itself was worth an article. Thanks, IronGargoyle ( talk) 19:38, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
Dr. Jensen: I am not sure I agree with two of your undo's on the Walter Weyl page. First is the opening: if Wikipedia is supposed to be an online encyclopedia, then biographical entries should have short, high-level summaries, no? But you have restored the longest single paragraph in the entire to that lead line... Second is the short description of son Nathaniel Weyl: his biography is _very_ interesting, taken in light with his father's -- just because it came long after, do you consider son Weyl's progressive politics so different from his father's that they do not merit mention? (In fact, I was surprised to see that you had created father Weyl's entry without wiki-linking it to his son's...) Respectfully -- Aboudaqn ( talk) 04:03, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
Not sure why you are adding this [2] Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 01:49, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
I think you may already have a hardcopy of one of these books, but, for what it's worth, here are two book sources available for download as pdfs:
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Hello, I am working on the expansion of the Germans from Russia article as part of a wiki education project assigned in my Western History course. The class is being taught by Professor Marilynn Johnson at Boston College, and is meant to expand stub articles on Western History. I noticed that you have contributed to the page recently, and was wondering if you were planning on making any other significant additions soon? Thanks! Hefferjd ( talk) 05:34, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Look kid, if you're going to replace your uncited quotation with a partially cited allusion, it still doesn't make the grade. Unh-uh. I'm referring to your Know-Nothing business. If you have the goods on this Sam Roberts, then go ahead and fix the article and you have my blessing. But don't go spreading your net wide, making claims that the footnote cannot cover. Sallieparker ( talk) 02:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
You're going to need a little more than that. You've got some anti-Chinese agitation in that cite. Anything else? And is there any reason you didn't bother to give the cite BEFORE (I mean...other than the fact that it doesn't support your claims anyway)?
And if you're going to push your ideologically-driven smears far and wide like that, you really have no business calling someone else "shrill." Got it??? OK. We'll be watching.
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I know we disagree. Our last exchange was your replacing my image of a Euro-Amerindian 1600s conference with a 1920s pinup of Columbia as a "better representation" of early colonial time. Apart from wikipedia sometimes, I value your scholarship and contributions as a writer-editor. I'm still learning procedural ropes, still too wordy, see first "implications" section, which I had to rewrite per Shadowjams knuckle-busting, however courteously administered ...
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Please see a discussion on Historiography of the Cold War and a recent section entitled 'Effects of the Cold War on the American Population', in which you might be interested, on the talk page here. Nautica Shad es 13:27, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Hello Rjensen. I have been making improvements to the John A.J. Creswell article. Creswell was President Ulysess S. Grant's Postmaster General. Creswell had strongly supported abolishing the Congressional franking privilege. In January 1873, Grant abolished abolished the franking priviledge of Congress. Please feel free to make any improvements to the John A.J. Creswell article. Thanks. Cmguy777 ( talk) 23:10, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks Rjensen. I am learning about him too with the aid of the newspapers of the times. The Dictionary of American biography has a good article on Creswell. Historians may be rediscovering Creswell. In my opinion, Creswell blows away this myth that Grant did not associate with men of learning or favored military associates. Cmguy777 ( talk) 08:36, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
Great. Thanks Rjensen. The Dictionary of Amerian Biography seems to be the only "biography" on John A. J. Creswell. Apparently Creswell did not resign because of impending scandals, but rather fatigue or a personal issue. Creswell's job must of been intense as the USPS expanded during the 1870's. Amazing in the time when there were no telephones, only the telegraph. Cmguy777 ( talk) 22:55, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
In a dispute regarding an alleged case of closed paraphrasing here. Please not the most recent version of the article, which is in the table at the very bottom of that discussion. Thank you. Nightscream ( talk) 03:42, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
I recall you editing that article along with me, and I've done some recent edits there, wondering if you had a brief second to take a look at the changes and give input. (cf Talk:Christian_fundamentalism#Changes_to_lede_paragraphs) Thanks! -- Wikibojopayne ( talk) 04:52, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
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Hello, Rjensen. Just FYI, on Sandstein's talk page I mentioned an you made in January. The thread is User talk:Sandstein#Problematic editor. Regards, AzureCitizen ( talk) 15:05, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
I have been working on the Warren G. Harding lede section. I have been trying to balance his Presidential successes with the scandals. Harding did clean up the Veterans Bureau. He may not have known about the other scandals. The Justice Department seemed to be the most scandalized, especially the profiteering of alchohol. If you could look at the Warren G. Harding lede section and make any changes that would be good. Thanks. Cmguy777 ( talk) 23:01, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
I agree to a certain extent that Harding trusted the "scoundrels." His enforcement of prohibition, in my opinion, was lax since as U.S. Senator he favored the liquor industry. I don't believe Harding was ever for prohibition. I am not sure that President Harding was really behind the enforcement of prohibition, since he himself got confiscated liquor at the White House. With that stated, I believe Harding has been an underrated President by historians who only focus on the scandals. Cmguy777 ( talk) 20:41, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
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Thanks for striving for Neutrality in the Coal Miners article. I have lived one part of that coin and seen the other. Neutrality, means the world and properly communicates the history. MANY thanks Coal town guy ( talk) 23:40, 11 March 2013 (UTC) |
You refusal to accept the possibility of American expansionism in the War of 1812 seems to be getting in the way of more important things like obedience to the rules of wikipedia. Like not removing reliably cited,non-anachronous(just thought I should emphasize that) edits which add to the page. Please,in the future,refrain from removing reliably cited additions. I would also greatly appreciate an end to your opposition of contributions of this topic,but judging by your actions in the past,this seems to much to ask. Thank you,and have a good,unbiased day. Rwenonah ( talk) 13:41, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
If you're re-instating that material, please come to the Talk Page and begin the process of discussing it. We're going to need to go over each sentence, line by line, comparing the sourcing to the assertions made therein plus addressing the synthesis issues. Thanks, AzureCitizen ( talk) 17:30, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
I noticed you returned the WP:BLP contested material this evening with this asking for talk page discussion; you probably didn't see that OrangeMike already discussed this with the comment he made at the very bottom of the page. As he considered it a "gross violation of BLP", I'll cut-and-paste his comment here to make sure you've had a chance to read it fully; please feel free to delete this when you're finished. Regards, AzureCitizen ( talk) 04:46, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
I've reverted this gigantic section because as written it was a gross violation of BLP; frankly I'm surprised an experienced editor like Rjensen hadn't done so already. This entire section is a massive act of WP:SYNTHESIS, full of accusations unsupported by the provided sources, combined with a tacit assumption that everything done in Illinois is to be blamed on Quinn's "leadership" failures. I hate to break it to you flatlanders, but Illinois has been misgoverning itself quite thoroughly since before Quinn took office; indeed, since before he was born. The pension shortfalls, for example, have been traced to decades of mismanagement by Democratic and Republican officials alike.
I would urge both sides to rebuild this stuff line by line, salvaging only what meets WP:UNDUE and WP:BLP and follows WP:NOR, reflecting what reliable sources say about Quinn not about Illinois. I also ask that all of you abandon the loaded verbs like "confessed", "conceded" and "admitted", which reek of bias and NPOV violations. -- Orange Mike | Talk 23:00, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
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Recent changes have been made to the George S. Boutwell article. Boutwell was President Grant's appointed Secretary of Treasury. Please feel free to look at the article and make any improvements. I have used Ackerman (2011), The Gold Ring, as a reference for understanding Boutwell. Are there any areas that the article could be improved? Thanks. Cmguy777 ( talk) 16:20, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
It's a good article, I believe I read parts of it before. I didn't realize it was yours, though :) May I invite you to join the ranks of Wikipedia:SOCIO#Participants? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:55, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
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Rjensen: just a note to tell you, good catch as to the prior article move which was done (without consensus). The original title is what was agreed to and would be the more common search term for general readers. Cheers, Kierzek ( talk) 01:22, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
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Not sure if you noticed, but there's a discussion at WT:WikiProject United States History#Religion of Founding Fathers that is related to the deism dispute at Alexander Hamilton. ~ Adjwilley ( talk) 19:57, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
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I appreciate the work you are doing on the National Industrial Recovery Act article. This article tends to draw a lot of POV-pushing, and as the person who greatly expanded it in the first place I want to stay out of those issues because it looks like I have a personal interest. I can help add page numbers, but am stuck on a few other very big projects at the moment. - Tim1965 ( talk) 14:32, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
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Thanks for your edits over at Harriet Beecher Stowe. Do you feel comfortable with the term "minor mystery" without a citation? It seems to me a bit unencyclopedic unless we can put those words in someone else's mouth (or ink). Of course, I didn't want to revert you without noting it, as I don't want to look like I'm started an edit war! Relatively insignificant concern anyway. -- Midnightdreary ( talk) 18:38, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
Ok, I am not disagreeing with you about Polish nationalism in the U.S. What I want to tell you is that the information I deleted is a double of the exact same paragraph shown earlier. Do you see it? It's right there under History of the Poles in the United States#19th Century. Pola.mola ( talk) 11:54, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
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P.S. While I was here I followed a link to your essay about the War of 1812, Wikipedia style. It's a great read. Interesting story - even the statistics were interesting. And I loved the tone in which you talked about Wikipedia; I thought I detected equal parts affection, frustration, and irony. Completely NPOV of course. Thanks for writing that. -- MelanieN ( talk) 05:03, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
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I think the changes to this article are lovely. But I have a concern with two things in the lead. The first has to do with that sentence that begins "The National Recovery Administration (NRA) portion..." That doesn't make sense. We're talking about a piece of legislation, not an agency. Even if that sentence were changed to read "The portions administered by the National Recovery Administration (NRA)..." would not make sense, because NRA administered all but the public works portion of the act (most of, but not all of, Title II). Business never liked Title I, Section 7(a), but did like Title I. Wouldn't it be better to say "The many portions of the National Industrial Recovery Act..." instead?
The second sentence that I think is unclear is: "The NRA was abolished by the Supreme Court in 1935 and not replaced." The Court didn't abolish the agency. It never discussed the statutory authority to establish the agency. The agency sunsetted, but never was abolished by the Court. The Court also did not abolish the NIRA. It held some parts of it unconstitutitional, but did not address others parts -- which to this day remain good law and on the books. Since we are talking about the legislation (and not the agency), wouldn't it be better to say that "A portion of the NIRA..."? This sets up what the Court does in the rest of the sentence. The Court doesn't "abolish" any thing. The Court does a single thing: Hold constitutional or hold unconstitutional. (It also interprets law when it can, not reaching constitutional questions if it can help it. But that's not our concern here.) So instead of the word "abolish", we should use the word "unconstitutional", shouldn't we? That would leave our sentence now reading: "A portion of the NIRA was held unconstitutinoal by the Supreme Court in 1935..." I can live with the word "replaced", but a more proper word would be "reenacted" -- since Congress enacts legislation, rather than "placing" or "replacing" legislation.
I don't think the lead is using jargon. Being accurate about what we're saying might mean writing about a fourth-grade level (like newspapers do; don't get me started on The Missoulian or the Great Falls Tribune!!), but it's not writing jargon or at a technical level.
What do you think? - Tim1965 ( talk) 13:03, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
PS - Did you see that the constitutionality thing is mentioned in both the first and second paragraphs of the lead? That's duplicative. How do we deal with that? - Tim1965 ( talk) 13:05, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
Hello: regarding your comment here, can you help me find the source that indicates that Hiss was definitively found to be a spy? My understanding, and the Alger Hiss article seems to back this up, is that there is still no final conclusion. Hiss was convicted of perjury, but that didn't show that he was a spy; rather, it showed that he lied about specific facts during his testimony. Looking forward to your help here, Orange Suede Sofa ( talk) 00:15, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
At first I wanted to revert your edits of the Booker T. Washington intro which I recently rephrased , doing my best to avoid any edit wars. However after re-reading your edits over a few times and comparing the end result to the original prior to my poor effort (which I didn't like for its one-dimensional portrayal and ad hominem POV gist), I came to the conclusion that your edits trimmed the fat while leaving the article summary just as it should be - neutral, short and to the point. Good job!
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Last time I checked, it was not a country called Nazi that invaded Poland, it was Germany. Divorcing the "German" part is just wrong on all levels. This is verifiable as I'm sure you know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.105.85.162 ( talk) 21:31, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
Hello, to resolve an ongoing neutrality dispute on the Blue Army (Poland) page, I'm requesting any assistance possible from experienced Wikipedia editors to look at the 'Controversies' section of the Blue Army page, and review the text for possible bias. I'm not an seasoned Wikipedia contributor myself, in fact I don't really edit much at all. But, when I came across the Blue Army page, I was taken aback by the blunt and inaccurate way in which the subject matter was portrayed! The list of possible neutrality violations is extensive, and due to my novice editor status all my past attempts to modify the text have been dismissed as being disruptive, and subsequently reversed:
Possible neutrality issues found on the Blue Army (Poland) 'Controversies' section: Neutrality Tag is constantly being taken down without reaching a final consensus on the subject matter. Weasel word are used to create an overall exaggerated impression of the events in question, and others are used to cast doubt on anything reported by the Polish side as being legitimate. POV and the use of questionable secondary source references, which contradict primary source accounts of the events. In this case the investigation conducted by the United States envoy to Poland Hugh S. Gibson and his subsequent State Department report on the issue. The American envoy found that: many of the newspaper reports alleging antisemitism were planted by the German and Soviet governments, and had been inflated or even based on hearsay and confabulation. Also, the envoy reported that many of the "pogroms" were in fact food riots, where an even larger number of Christian shops were ransacked. Undue Weight specific events are taken out of context, such as: abuse of civilians during the military campaign by the Blue Army troops is automatically labeled as antisemitic. Thus, taken out of context, when in fact looting was not only restricted to jewish households.
In the end, I understand that this is a difficult subject matter, and that some of the troops did engage in open antisemitism. But, by breaking the above listed neutrality rules, the editor ( Faustian) who wrote much of the section, is creating a false picture of the Blue Army, in which the reader comes away with the bias impression that "Pogroming" is the only thing the Blue Army did.
Again, for a quick snapshot of the primary source's account of the events, please see the United States envoy Hugh S. Gibson Wikipedia page. And, thank you for any assistance in this matter. -- 68.191.79.36 ( talk) 21:29, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
I am not sure which edit you have seen. I am not adding or taking away any citations I am altering the parameters of those that already exist in about 1.5K of articles that use the Americana citation template with an unnamed parameter. I copied and converted an AWB script I had used on Appleton' citations to work on Americana citations, and I made a mistake and did not change the edit message, however the rest of the edit line showed the actual change made. But if I made another mistake and accidentally converted any Appletons' citations to an Americana citation let me know because as far as I am aware I have not made that mistake. -- PBS ( talk) 09:04, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
This may not be your speciality, but I'd welcome any comments or suggestions you could offer about my stub Commonwealth and Protectorate, which I'd originally created as a hard redirect to the rather skimpy paragraphs in Kingdom of England#Commonwealth and Protectorate. I decided it would be better to direct the reader to the two component articles Commonwealth of England (under Parliament, 1649-53/1659-60) and The Protectorate (of the Cromwells, 1653-59). I also added a bare definitional outline and added a host of See Also links to loosely-related Wikipedia articles (e.g. Confederate Ireland, Restoration (Scotland) and Battle of the Severn [Md, 1655] ). I see no point in trying to grow the stub into a full article as that would just inexpertly duplicate in micro-scale what's in the two component Commonwealth and Protectorate articles. (I think that at one point they may have been a single article.) But I'd welcome any thoughts you might have (or references to 17th-century British history editors). —— Shakescene ( talk) 10:22, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
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In Peter J. Parish's Reader's Guide to American History, pages 119–121, he surveys the leading literature up to 1997 on the subject of the years 1854 to 1860 in US history, regarding Kansas and Dred Scott. Parish gives his highest marks to David M. Potter's The Impending Crisis, 1848–1861 from 1976. I think Potter should be considered the go-to source for mainstream consensus on the topic. Potter treats the subject of the Panic of 1857 only on page 307 of his book, and does not position the Dred Scott decision as critical to the Panic. Parish notes that various authors give more and less credence to Dred Scott as a factor in the Panic.
Unfortunately, Parish's 1997 book does not list the 1991 paper by Charles W. Calomiris and Larry Schweikart: "The Panic of 1857: Origins, Transmission, and Containment". Thus we do not have Parish's direct opinion about the paper, but I should think that if it were important Parish would have listed it. Schweikart has been widely criticized for presenting a revisionist history to the US public, for making his conclusions based on nationalistic pride rather than primary evidence.
James L. Huston is another heavy hitter on the subject of the US in the 19th century. His 1987 works are cited in the Panic of 1857 article to good effect. Huston says that the failure of the "highly esteemed" Ohio Life Insurance and Trust Company was the immediate cause of the Panic, not Dred Scott. He wrote on the subject again in 2003, citing many previous historians: Calculating the Value of the Union: Slavery, Property Rights, and the Economic Origins of the Civil War. He does not mention Calomiris or Schweikart at all.
I got to the Panic article today by way of cleaning up after User:RoswellAliens who has added a lot of uncited text to the Larry Schweikart biography article. Plenty of this editor's work has been questionable, and even quickly reverted, such as this bit of POV at the Woodstock article which only lasted 11 minutes. Four years ago, RoswellAliens made this revisionist edit to the Robert Peary article, adding a Schweikart work which appears to be overstated in importance in addition to the fact that it contradicts other authors. There, RoswellAliens refers to a "previous article" by Schweikart but does not name it, and I cannot find it to save my life, which leads me to think RoswellAliens is very closely connected to Schweikart. The Dred Scott v. Sandford article was targeted in May 2009 by RoswellAliens in this Schweikart cite, one which I think is worded far too strongly given the consensus viewpoints of other historians. (This is the paragraph and cite that I removed today, the same one you restored soon after.) In looking at these POV edits I was spurred to hunt for other editors who might be pushing Schweikart and I found this addition to the Panic article, made by an IP from the University of Dayton where Schweikart works, citing Schweikart.
Certainly Schweikart has his fans, but I think we need to minimize his impact on Wikipedia, at least on topics where his opinion goes against the tide. Binksternet ( talk) 15:31, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
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Thank you for replying so quickly. I'm working on a project for my 5th Grade social studies class. In my fee time, I write stub articles. SmartyPantsKid ( talk) 20:45, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
Christmas Greetings. I hope that you and yours have a good holiday. Kierzek ( talk) 18:58, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
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I see you're one of the main contributors to this article and your credentials seem impressive, but c'mon, you know that reliable sources are needed. You seem like you are in a prime position to have access to those sources so I don't know why you'd add content that seems really POVish without a source. Plus, I just found some blatant plagiarism in that article about a week ago and I haven't had time to go through it so removing the close paraphrasing tag so soon seems nonconstructive. Finally, as far as ref improve, I removed content that wasn't at all in the ref that was supporting that sentence. So I'd appreciate it if you'd not remove the tags until some folks who arn't heavily involved in the article have a chance to look through it. I'm working on the paraphrasing, myself, but I can only do it when I have time. I've been working through it slowly.--v/r - T P 22:23, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
My first edit was a deletion of content that was contaminated by unsourced POV with the hope that it would either be sourced to support the text before it was put back in, or that it would be re-worded to agree with the cited source. I'm willing to trust you can back up your claim that the text I deleted was consensus. I'm definitely not as accomplished as you are, but the text deleted was not supported by the source. Your revert was therefore based on either your POV or sources that you didn't include as citations. I assume the latter is the case. I've again edited the sentence, this time editing it to more accurately represent the cited source rather than simply deleting it. If you have authoritative sources supporting the previous and more strongly worded version I'd welcome the addition of these sources and the reverting of my latest edit.
My reason for getting involved with that article was due to the superlative nature of the statement. While I agree with it in abstract, I felt it was suspiciously non-NPOV so I checked the source. The source didn't support the wording used, so I deleted the phrase. Perhaps I should have taken the time to edit it rather than delete it, but I edit wikipedia as a hobby, motivation was low, and no information is better than inaccurate information. I might have been slower with the edit button if the phrase wasn't inherently subjective to begin with, irrespective of the authority behind it.
Unrelated to the article's accuracy, and thus fairly unimportant, perhaps you should be more careful before accusing bias. I deleted one phrase, not even a full sentence, that was an editorialization based on the source rather than being based on the source from a NPOV. Assume good faith in the future, if you please. AaronMP84 ( talk) 09:27, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
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Hello, I've noticed you're the major contributor to the History of Ontario page. I've been working on the Upper Canada and Province of Canada pages, and have beefed them up considerably. I have also added the History of Ontario navbox to link all three pages by period. that said, the Upper Canada and Canada West sections of the History of Ontario page are now redundant ( and it's anachronistic to include them in the history of Ontario). Would you be amenable to merging that material with the other pages so that the post-confederation history has room to expand?
Thank you for the new Canadian articles .... pls take a look at Wikipedia talk:Canadian Wikipedians' notice board#New articles on women and on sports ... if I missed any pls add them. Moxy ( talk) 17:59, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
I know you are probably tired of this topic, but I have a few questions. Today you reverted my last revision on the New Deal. One of your reasons was that Mussolini and FDR didn't have a personal relationship. What I said was that Mussolini and FDR had made personal contact. Stanley Payne in his History of Fascism said the following: “His initial attitude was in fact more positive towards the American administration, and the Duce and Roosevelt established personal contact even before Roosevelt was inaugurated.”
You can find this quote at Amazon (the page number I cited may be wrong). The point I was trying to make was that FDR was interested in Mussolini's policies before he took office. This seems relevant in view of Roosevelt's denial of any interest in fascist-type policies in the block quote. My first question is, given this information, is the mention of personal contact valid? (Incidentally, I've never said or thought that the New Deal was fascist. The point I'm trying to make is that there are a lot of similarities.)
Second, you also objected to my statement on how the New Deal violated some rights. I did not intend to provide a POV, but to show that some people felt that contrary to FDR's question, their economic rights were violated. Does this information affect your opinion?
Third, there are several times that I have tried to provide a quote from Harold Ickes diary. The objection is that it is from a primary source. The Wiki policy is that primary sources are valid in limited circumstances. In fact, the New Deal article cites primary sources such as Raymond Moley and FDR himself.
Fourth, should the section on fascism be dropped? It is tangenital to the history of the New Deal.
Finally, I'm relatively new to Wikipedia editing. Would you consider being an informal and occasional mentor? My main question would be regarding appropriateness of references and content.
Thank you in advance. LesLein ( talk) 02:21, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
Since I'm more or less done with the renovation work, I'd be grateful for any comments you might have.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 16:56, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
I just noticed that you deleted some material that I had added to the Jefferson Davis article some years ago regarding his post-war residence in Memphis. I considered this information important because it is difficult to find references to Davis' years in Memphis, and to Memphians, the Peabody Hotel has been an important (and historic) place. So connecting Davis to the Peabody is significant. I intend to add back my information. -- Zeamays ( talk) 01:05, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
Do you really believe that the quote from the Ickes diary is falsified? If so, who is the falsifier? Did you check the source I used? Both the author and publication have impeccable scholarly credentials. Have you checked out the New Deal's talk page lately? I think you should. Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LesLein ( talk • contribs) 00:04, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
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Have a pecan butter tart on me, for finding the page refs for the Laura Secord article I requested! Also, I enjoyed reading your "Military History on the Electronic Frontier" article.
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I happened across a couple of your edits today and I was impressed by the way you seem to go around making high quality and constructive edits. Then I saw that you had over 60,000 edits. I thank you for the good work you are doing, (both quality and quantity) and commend you for sticking with the project for so long. ~ Adjwilley ( talk) 01:51, 28 January 2013 (UTC) |
Okay, thanks for fixing the date, and also rewriting parts of the list Jjjjjjjjjj ( talk) 07:16, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for catching that 1964 typo. The other copyedits look good, although I guess the linking is because this is more related to the history of the parties than how they currently exist. — Crisco 1492 ( talk) 23:32, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
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For you work on India–United States relations.The article looks much better after your work. But the references, and external links sections are still pretty messed up. :) Anir1uph | talk | contrib 14:45, 3 February 2013 (UTC) |
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Hello Rjensen. Although I have a lot of respect for the many edits you've contributed to Wikipedia, particularly the tough political variety, I undid your edit on The Washington Post article. I don't believe the source you gave indicated the paper's political ideology. In fact, most sources inside the article indicate otherwise. Also, I believe we must differentiate between a media outlets news section and opinion/editorial pages. For example, I live in the Detroit area and know that the Detroit News opinion pages lean conservative, and the Detroit Free Press have liberal editorials, but much of the content in both outlets are fact based news stories without editorial commentary. In any case, lest we open ourselves up to interpretation edits to articles like these( 1, 2, 3), with this type of reasoning, we should be prudent in our political designations of media outlets. Thanks. Dave Dial ( talk) 11:16, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Richard, per your request I rewrote the Yellowstone Park paragraph on the Grant article to give it a bit more historical accuracy and better sourcing. Trust all is well in sunny Billings. -- Mike Cline ( talk) 21:14, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
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Good news. Contributor Mike Cline ( talk) and myself worked out an edit for Yellowstone National Park in the Presidency of Ulysses S. Grant article. Mike wrote most of the Yellowstone segment and posted the final draft. Turns out the Northern Pacific Railroad had a financial interest in the Yellowstone afterall. An 1870 expedition recommended the NPR put in a railroad line to Yellowstone. Around the turn of the 20th Century the NPR had put in a line for tourists to Yellowstone. Cmguy777 ( talk) 06:29, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
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Since you were one of the people involved I wanted to let you know about this. Thanks. -- Tarage ( talk) 06:10, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
As you may have seen, it was promoted to FA. Thank you for your help with it.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 14:05, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
I noticed you made this edit to the article German Caribbean, which previously seemed to be a clever hoax perpetrated by another editor (and is currently being discussed for deletion here). The information you added appears to be legitimate (in contrast to the rest of the article, which seems considerably more dubious), and you seem to have some expertise on the topic, so I wanted to get your input on if the topic of "German Caribbean" itself was worth an article. Thanks, IronGargoyle ( talk) 19:38, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
Dr. Jensen: I am not sure I agree with two of your undo's on the Walter Weyl page. First is the opening: if Wikipedia is supposed to be an online encyclopedia, then biographical entries should have short, high-level summaries, no? But you have restored the longest single paragraph in the entire to that lead line... Second is the short description of son Nathaniel Weyl: his biography is _very_ interesting, taken in light with his father's -- just because it came long after, do you consider son Weyl's progressive politics so different from his father's that they do not merit mention? (In fact, I was surprised to see that you had created father Weyl's entry without wiki-linking it to his son's...) Respectfully -- Aboudaqn ( talk) 04:03, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
Not sure why you are adding this [2] Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 01:49, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
I think you may already have a hardcopy of one of these books, but, for what it's worth, here are two book sources available for download as pdfs:
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Hello, I am working on the expansion of the Germans from Russia article as part of a wiki education project assigned in my Western History course. The class is being taught by Professor Marilynn Johnson at Boston College, and is meant to expand stub articles on Western History. I noticed that you have contributed to the page recently, and was wondering if you were planning on making any other significant additions soon? Thanks! Hefferjd ( talk) 05:34, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Look kid, if you're going to replace your uncited quotation with a partially cited allusion, it still doesn't make the grade. Unh-uh. I'm referring to your Know-Nothing business. If you have the goods on this Sam Roberts, then go ahead and fix the article and you have my blessing. But don't go spreading your net wide, making claims that the footnote cannot cover. Sallieparker ( talk) 02:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
You're going to need a little more than that. You've got some anti-Chinese agitation in that cite. Anything else? And is there any reason you didn't bother to give the cite BEFORE (I mean...other than the fact that it doesn't support your claims anyway)?
And if you're going to push your ideologically-driven smears far and wide like that, you really have no business calling someone else "shrill." Got it??? OK. We'll be watching.
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I know we disagree. Our last exchange was your replacing my image of a Euro-Amerindian 1600s conference with a 1920s pinup of Columbia as a "better representation" of early colonial time. Apart from wikipedia sometimes, I value your scholarship and contributions as a writer-editor. I'm still learning procedural ropes, still too wordy, see first "implications" section, which I had to rewrite per Shadowjams knuckle-busting, however courteously administered ...
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Please see a discussion on Historiography of the Cold War and a recent section entitled 'Effects of the Cold War on the American Population', in which you might be interested, on the talk page here. Nautica Shad es 13:27, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Hello Rjensen. I have been making improvements to the John A.J. Creswell article. Creswell was President Ulysess S. Grant's Postmaster General. Creswell had strongly supported abolishing the Congressional franking privilege. In January 1873, Grant abolished abolished the franking priviledge of Congress. Please feel free to make any improvements to the John A.J. Creswell article. Thanks. Cmguy777 ( talk) 23:10, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks Rjensen. I am learning about him too with the aid of the newspapers of the times. The Dictionary of American biography has a good article on Creswell. Historians may be rediscovering Creswell. In my opinion, Creswell blows away this myth that Grant did not associate with men of learning or favored military associates. Cmguy777 ( talk) 08:36, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
Great. Thanks Rjensen. The Dictionary of Amerian Biography seems to be the only "biography" on John A. J. Creswell. Apparently Creswell did not resign because of impending scandals, but rather fatigue or a personal issue. Creswell's job must of been intense as the USPS expanded during the 1870's. Amazing in the time when there were no telephones, only the telegraph. Cmguy777 ( talk) 22:55, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
In a dispute regarding an alleged case of closed paraphrasing here. Please not the most recent version of the article, which is in the table at the very bottom of that discussion. Thank you. Nightscream ( talk) 03:42, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
I recall you editing that article along with me, and I've done some recent edits there, wondering if you had a brief second to take a look at the changes and give input. (cf Talk:Christian_fundamentalism#Changes_to_lede_paragraphs) Thanks! -- Wikibojopayne ( talk) 04:52, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
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Hello, Rjensen. Just FYI, on Sandstein's talk page I mentioned an you made in January. The thread is User talk:Sandstein#Problematic editor. Regards, AzureCitizen ( talk) 15:05, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
I have been working on the Warren G. Harding lede section. I have been trying to balance his Presidential successes with the scandals. Harding did clean up the Veterans Bureau. He may not have known about the other scandals. The Justice Department seemed to be the most scandalized, especially the profiteering of alchohol. If you could look at the Warren G. Harding lede section and make any changes that would be good. Thanks. Cmguy777 ( talk) 23:01, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
I agree to a certain extent that Harding trusted the "scoundrels." His enforcement of prohibition, in my opinion, was lax since as U.S. Senator he favored the liquor industry. I don't believe Harding was ever for prohibition. I am not sure that President Harding was really behind the enforcement of prohibition, since he himself got confiscated liquor at the White House. With that stated, I believe Harding has been an underrated President by historians who only focus on the scandals. Cmguy777 ( talk) 20:41, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
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You refusal to accept the possibility of American expansionism in the War of 1812 seems to be getting in the way of more important things like obedience to the rules of wikipedia. Like not removing reliably cited,non-anachronous(just thought I should emphasize that) edits which add to the page. Please,in the future,refrain from removing reliably cited additions. I would also greatly appreciate an end to your opposition of contributions of this topic,but judging by your actions in the past,this seems to much to ask. Thank you,and have a good,unbiased day. Rwenonah ( talk) 13:41, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
If you're re-instating that material, please come to the Talk Page and begin the process of discussing it. We're going to need to go over each sentence, line by line, comparing the sourcing to the assertions made therein plus addressing the synthesis issues. Thanks, AzureCitizen ( talk) 17:30, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
I noticed you returned the WP:BLP contested material this evening with this asking for talk page discussion; you probably didn't see that OrangeMike already discussed this with the comment he made at the very bottom of the page. As he considered it a "gross violation of BLP", I'll cut-and-paste his comment here to make sure you've had a chance to read it fully; please feel free to delete this when you're finished. Regards, AzureCitizen ( talk) 04:46, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
I've reverted this gigantic section because as written it was a gross violation of BLP; frankly I'm surprised an experienced editor like Rjensen hadn't done so already. This entire section is a massive act of WP:SYNTHESIS, full of accusations unsupported by the provided sources, combined with a tacit assumption that everything done in Illinois is to be blamed on Quinn's "leadership" failures. I hate to break it to you flatlanders, but Illinois has been misgoverning itself quite thoroughly since before Quinn took office; indeed, since before he was born. The pension shortfalls, for example, have been traced to decades of mismanagement by Democratic and Republican officials alike.
I would urge both sides to rebuild this stuff line by line, salvaging only what meets WP:UNDUE and WP:BLP and follows WP:NOR, reflecting what reliable sources say about Quinn not about Illinois. I also ask that all of you abandon the loaded verbs like "confessed", "conceded" and "admitted", which reek of bias and NPOV violations. -- Orange Mike | Talk 23:00, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
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I appreciate the work you are doing on the National Industrial Recovery Act article. This article tends to draw a lot of POV-pushing, and as the person who greatly expanded it in the first place I want to stay out of those issues because it looks like I have a personal interest. I can help add page numbers, but am stuck on a few other very big projects at the moment. - Tim1965 ( talk) 14:32, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
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Thanks for your edits over at Harriet Beecher Stowe. Do you feel comfortable with the term "minor mystery" without a citation? It seems to me a bit unencyclopedic unless we can put those words in someone else's mouth (or ink). Of course, I didn't want to revert you without noting it, as I don't want to look like I'm started an edit war! Relatively insignificant concern anyway. -- Midnightdreary ( talk) 18:38, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
Ok, I am not disagreeing with you about Polish nationalism in the U.S. What I want to tell you is that the information I deleted is a double of the exact same paragraph shown earlier. Do you see it? It's right there under History of the Poles in the United States#19th Century. Pola.mola ( talk) 11:54, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
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I think the changes to this article are lovely. But I have a concern with two things in the lead. The first has to do with that sentence that begins "The National Recovery Administration (NRA) portion..." That doesn't make sense. We're talking about a piece of legislation, not an agency. Even if that sentence were changed to read "The portions administered by the National Recovery Administration (NRA)..." would not make sense, because NRA administered all but the public works portion of the act (most of, but not all of, Title II). Business never liked Title I, Section 7(a), but did like Title I. Wouldn't it be better to say "The many portions of the National Industrial Recovery Act..." instead?
The second sentence that I think is unclear is: "The NRA was abolished by the Supreme Court in 1935 and not replaced." The Court didn't abolish the agency. It never discussed the statutory authority to establish the agency. The agency sunsetted, but never was abolished by the Court. The Court also did not abolish the NIRA. It held some parts of it unconstitutitional, but did not address others parts -- which to this day remain good law and on the books. Since we are talking about the legislation (and not the agency), wouldn't it be better to say that "A portion of the NIRA..."? This sets up what the Court does in the rest of the sentence. The Court doesn't "abolish" any thing. The Court does a single thing: Hold constitutional or hold unconstitutional. (It also interprets law when it can, not reaching constitutional questions if it can help it. But that's not our concern here.) So instead of the word "abolish", we should use the word "unconstitutional", shouldn't we? That would leave our sentence now reading: "A portion of the NIRA was held unconstitutinoal by the Supreme Court in 1935..." I can live with the word "replaced", but a more proper word would be "reenacted" -- since Congress enacts legislation, rather than "placing" or "replacing" legislation.
I don't think the lead is using jargon. Being accurate about what we're saying might mean writing about a fourth-grade level (like newspapers do; don't get me started on The Missoulian or the Great Falls Tribune!!), but it's not writing jargon or at a technical level.
What do you think? - Tim1965 ( talk) 13:03, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
PS - Did you see that the constitutionality thing is mentioned in both the first and second paragraphs of the lead? That's duplicative. How do we deal with that? - Tim1965 ( talk) 13:05, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
Hello: regarding your comment here, can you help me find the source that indicates that Hiss was definitively found to be a spy? My understanding, and the Alger Hiss article seems to back this up, is that there is still no final conclusion. Hiss was convicted of perjury, but that didn't show that he was a spy; rather, it showed that he lied about specific facts during his testimony. Looking forward to your help here, Orange Suede Sofa ( talk) 00:15, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
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Last time I checked, it was not a country called Nazi that invaded Poland, it was Germany. Divorcing the "German" part is just wrong on all levels. This is verifiable as I'm sure you know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.105.85.162 ( talk) 21:31, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
Hello, to resolve an ongoing neutrality dispute on the Blue Army (Poland) page, I'm requesting any assistance possible from experienced Wikipedia editors to look at the 'Controversies' section of the Blue Army page, and review the text for possible bias. I'm not an seasoned Wikipedia contributor myself, in fact I don't really edit much at all. But, when I came across the Blue Army page, I was taken aback by the blunt and inaccurate way in which the subject matter was portrayed! The list of possible neutrality violations is extensive, and due to my novice editor status all my past attempts to modify the text have been dismissed as being disruptive, and subsequently reversed:
Possible neutrality issues found on the Blue Army (Poland) 'Controversies' section: Neutrality Tag is constantly being taken down without reaching a final consensus on the subject matter. Weasel word are used to create an overall exaggerated impression of the events in question, and others are used to cast doubt on anything reported by the Polish side as being legitimate. POV and the use of questionable secondary source references, which contradict primary source accounts of the events. In this case the investigation conducted by the United States envoy to Poland Hugh S. Gibson and his subsequent State Department report on the issue. The American envoy found that: many of the newspaper reports alleging antisemitism were planted by the German and Soviet governments, and had been inflated or even based on hearsay and confabulation. Also, the envoy reported that many of the "pogroms" were in fact food riots, where an even larger number of Christian shops were ransacked. Undue Weight specific events are taken out of context, such as: abuse of civilians during the military campaign by the Blue Army troops is automatically labeled as antisemitic. Thus, taken out of context, when in fact looting was not only restricted to jewish households.
In the end, I understand that this is a difficult subject matter, and that some of the troops did engage in open antisemitism. But, by breaking the above listed neutrality rules, the editor ( Faustian) who wrote much of the section, is creating a false picture of the Blue Army, in which the reader comes away with the bias impression that "Pogroming" is the only thing the Blue Army did.
Again, for a quick snapshot of the primary source's account of the events, please see the United States envoy Hugh S. Gibson Wikipedia page. And, thank you for any assistance in this matter. -- 68.191.79.36 ( talk) 21:29, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
I am not sure which edit you have seen. I am not adding or taking away any citations I am altering the parameters of those that already exist in about 1.5K of articles that use the Americana citation template with an unnamed parameter. I copied and converted an AWB script I had used on Appleton' citations to work on Americana citations, and I made a mistake and did not change the edit message, however the rest of the edit line showed the actual change made. But if I made another mistake and accidentally converted any Appletons' citations to an Americana citation let me know because as far as I am aware I have not made that mistake. -- PBS ( talk) 09:04, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
This may not be your speciality, but I'd welcome any comments or suggestions you could offer about my stub Commonwealth and Protectorate, which I'd originally created as a hard redirect to the rather skimpy paragraphs in Kingdom of England#Commonwealth and Protectorate. I decided it would be better to direct the reader to the two component articles Commonwealth of England (under Parliament, 1649-53/1659-60) and The Protectorate (of the Cromwells, 1653-59). I also added a bare definitional outline and added a host of See Also links to loosely-related Wikipedia articles (e.g. Confederate Ireland, Restoration (Scotland) and Battle of the Severn [Md, 1655] ). I see no point in trying to grow the stub into a full article as that would just inexpertly duplicate in micro-scale what's in the two component Commonwealth and Protectorate articles. (I think that at one point they may have been a single article.) But I'd welcome any thoughts you might have (or references to 17th-century British history editors). —— Shakescene ( talk) 10:22, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
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