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I see no reason to delete Category:Aspects of music. Thus I simply made it a subcategory of Category:Music theory. Hyacinth 17:36, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
See aspects of music. Hyacinth 23:21, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
One source, Harold Owen uses the terms " dimensions" and " elements". Another, Virgil Thomson, as the article states, uses the term "raw materials". Molino as well uses "element". I chose the term " aspect" because it is common (in textbooks especially), but one cannot argue that this topic was invented by myself in the face of numerous sources. Hyacinth 02:32, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Hi. You've helped with the Wikipedia:WikiProject Wiki Syntax, so I thought it worth alerting you to the latest and greatest of Wikipedia fixing project, User:Yann/Untagged Images, which is seeking to put copyright tags on all of the untagged images. There are probably, oh, thirty thousand or so to do (he said, reaching into the air for a large figure). But hey: they're images ... you'll get to see lots of random pretty pictures. That must be better than looking for at at and the the, non? You know you'll love it. best wishes -- Tagishsimon (talk)
Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:
To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:
OR
Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man ( comment| talk)
It looks like Category:Japanese prefectures was accidentally listed to be moved or deleted, but Beland quickly corrected it. I have restored the categories and interwiki links, which I suspect were also accidentally removed.
As far as I know, there was no discussion of Category:Japanese Prefectures. It seems to have been created accidentally (judging from Beland's comments at Category:Japanese prefectures). It should probably be listed at CfD.
The discussion at CfD seems not to have made it into the archive, but you can see it here. -[[User:Aranel| Aranel ("Sarah")]] 02:21, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
as u may have noticed, my participation in wikipedia has dropped off in recent months. whoever deleted the category I created, it's all good. I was surprised it took people so long to find it and reliaze how stupid it was to anyone but me. keep up good fight to keep wikipedia honest & relevant.
Kzzl 18:18, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I tried some stuff on both of them, but none of it had any affect at the time. I also tried to get a hold of a developer to have them fix it, but they seemed to have bigger concerns at the time. I'm considering it a minor annoyance at the moment, and not a high priority. -- Cyrius| ✎ 04:50, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I was unaware of any problem using characters in the 160–255 ISO 8859-1 range; incidentally the ² character at the bottom of the editing screen, which I used to type this message, inserts a literal character. Susvolans (pigs can fly) 17:40, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Thanks so much for your help with Category TOC's. I made a template based on what you did. To add a TOC to a category type {{CompactCatTOC}} . I've already used it in Category:Albums by artist
Thanks for pointing out Category:Orphaned categories. I don't quite understand the way it's setup so I want to be sure: if a category header (ie: Category:Battles_of_the_North-West_Rebellion (5) ) is categorised, then I delete the entire section (in this case, up until Category: F-Zero) right? Thanks for your help! -- jag123 18:49, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Has anyone ever stated any reasons why the categories couldn't be headers? If they were, participants could easily delete them by clicking on the edit section link. I have the formatting done, I just don't want to change it in case this was previously addressed. Thanks again -- jag123 20:00, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Hello, I'm not sure it is advisable to systematically add dablinks to articles where there is no (or extremely little) possibility of confusion. For example, with Florence, Minnesota, it is extremely unlikely that anyone getting to that article might have actually been looking for Florence, Italy or any of the other Florences on Florence (disambiguation). In fact, the one single Florence where there is some possibility of confusion, Florence Township, Minnesota isn't even listed on the disambiguation page. Generally such dab messages are only needed for primary topic disambiguation (i.e., there has to be a link on Florence to Florence (disambiguation)), or where there may be a reasonable possibility of confusion (as with Florence, Minnesota and Florence Township, Minnesota). older≠ wiser 14:54, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
Hi Rick. You wrote on my discussion page:
Hi - I see you've created a category for gay-friendly travel destinations. Rather than use a category for this, what would you think about using a list? I suspect most (if not all) of the places you've added to the category are better known for many more reasons than gay-friendliness and adding them to this category implies a significance that I think is not warranted. There's a slight POV-ism involved as well (what does it mean for a place NOT to be in this category?). If there's a purely objective way to describe membership (for example, places self identifying as "safe for gays" by adopting the inverted pink triangle) then I think a category would be appropriate. I don't think any subjective criteria really cuts it. What do you think? -- Rick Block 20:21, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Answer: Well, I personally don't see a problem with both a List of gay travel destinations and a category. A list, of course, could include destinations that don't have existing articles at the moment; and then the category, too, for existing articles. I thought that a lively industry such as " gay tourism" (note no article yet on this subject either, or category for that matter) deserved to be noted as one of the many positive aspects of the gay community being described on these pages.
Yes, in addition to notable gay areas and "gay-friendliness", I have noted a number of other criteria for what defines a gay tourist destination. I am sure that others will help develop this definition. Many of these places are also destinations for all other people (or maybe some other sub-set of all other people, but lets not go there). I have used as a starting point the list of US cities listed on the Columbia Fun Maps site, gay tourism specialists (no article yet on gay travel agents yet, either). They publish specialty maps of these destination, and know the markets quite well. In addition I have used my experience and knowledge of gay travel patterns personally noted over many years.
As for being "safe for gays", I noted your point and changed the text to read "perceived as being safe for gays". Good point. Thanks!
As for other "objective" criteria for gay travel destinations I will be pursuing other lists available through other gay travel specialists in addition to Columbia Fun Maps. There are plenty of them out there.
I hope that is a satisfactory answer, otherwise I would suggest you to take the discussion to the appropriate page, i.e. Category:Gay travel destinations. Sfdan 21:03, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Hello Rick. I see you amended the word lines to read railways. I disagree: these are all sections of railways (eg GNR) which the company have named for timetable purposes, which is why the title should always have a capital L for line. I am also worried that none of these appear in the main list because they are a separate category, even though there is a splendid National Rail list herewhich is a good check on them all. Folk not knowing that Caldervale or Hallam are on the Leeds list would never find it. I believe that the Leeds category could well be part of the Transport Leeds category, and that each of the lines could be referenced to the Category British railway lines. There is of course more work needed on each of the lines, so that they are not simply timetable information, but include line descriptions also. Peter Shearan 08:45, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
On March 31, I commented on the Help-Desk discussion on category diambiguation. Because this comment came so long after the latest previous comment, I think you may have missed it — but may be interested in it. Hence my pointing you to it. — msh210 16:42, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hey Rick, I changed the Template:Miyagi prefecture template to include towns...probably should have checked with you first. Perhaps you might want to take a look and give your professional assessment? If you like the format, I'm willing to do the rest of the prefectures the same way... William McDuff 06:59, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Well, I changed it for consistency. There are so many different redirect messages, and the redirect template really cleans it up. A user just needs to read the next line knowing that we're talking about the capital of Colorado. The way it was before, that appeared in the disambig and the first sentence! I just think we need to keep disambigs as clean as possible. -- Dryazan 17:59, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I think that addition is a bit redundant - the one right above it says that you can only format alphabetically... what need did you see for it that I'm missing? Snowspinner 23:31, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)
I was not aware of the discussion. Thanks for the info. -- DuKot 00:27, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
HI Rick, I saw a note of yours re dup posts; I, too, just posted a comment to wp:tfd and found that it had gone through twice. I hit save and got an hourglass and then a message saying that the server couldn't be contacted. I hit 'back' and got back to my edit window, checked the contents, and then hit save again. It would seem the db post did go through the first time, and had trouble returning the result. diffs: [1] && [2]; note that the timestamp of the first one is off by a minute from that in the sig... Good luck, Davenbelle 15:30, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)
I've just noted a couple more incidents of duplicated content at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#duplicate content in articles Thryduulf 19:27, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I have asked Pioneer-12 to participate in the conversion of the categories sections to an abilities format as well as develop the synergy section in the blue box at Wikipedia talk:Categories, lists, and series boxes. This is just an experiment. Pioneer-12's Advantages... or abilites suggestion was actually pretty good. And, we need another editor or two to participate. -- John Gohde 04:33, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Actually, I've had trouble with that page for a couple days. I think its amazing lenght might have something to do with it. I'm actually going to perform some archiving. Circeus 14:08, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
Seemed like a good idea - particularly for pages with long introductions which function as operational lists. Dont see the harm in it, except maybe the whole header section would have been better. - SV| t 16:20, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
It would be wise to create a separate page for discussions about the disambiguation templates as User:Neonumbers proposed; whether it should be a subpage of Wikipedia:Disambiguation or, as you suggested, part of Wikipedia:Manual of Style (how do you create a proposed style guideline?), or somewhere else (such as a WikiProject), I don't know (or I would have boldly created it myself). I'll put a note on Neonumbers's talk page too. — Wahoofive ( talk) 22:19, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
That's good - I dunno where either - I'm tempted to shift towards a subpage of Wikipedia:Disambiguation but you reckon otherwise so I won't make the subpage yet. I can see where you're getting at with the style thing, by the way, so if you want to stick it at Wikipedia:Manual of Style I won't complain. (dropped note on Wahoofive's page too) User_talk:Neonumbers/ Neonumbers 05:08, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
I've created a draft project at Wikipedia:Disambiguation/Style for comment. I'll announce it on Village Pump, but I'm directly notifying people who have commented lately. — Wahoofive ( talk) 17:26, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
Hi Rick. I appreciate that you want my opinion, but, as I said on Wikien-l, I don't feel that this is an issue for the board, but one for the community to decide as long, as whatever is decided remains within the bounds of NPOV and the laws of Florida (or wherever the databases are). It's also interesting to note that when I went to Africa recently to talk about distributing Wikipedia there, no one was concerned about content labelling, and no one had ever heard of any perceived problems with the appropriateness of the content. I'm not aware of any schools blocking Wikipedia over this sort of thing. Angela . 21:33, May 2, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the award. I don't think I deserve it though. I hate to say this, but my images are actually not my best. They are my second- or third-rate ones. But fortunately, even those images are much better than what I see (or not see) on Wikipedia. Photojpn.org 01:30, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
I got the information from the Bureau of Economic Analysis (www.bea.gov). I'll be more careful about citing my source next time. - Mu Cow
I'm afraid that I can't remember the details of this. I usually check for duplication after an edit conflict or similar (and there have been a lot of failed edits recently, so I check after those too), but I obviously missed this one. Sorry that I can't help. I'll increase my vigilance, and next time I hit duplication I'll let you know the circumstances. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 15:59, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
Ah, so the best thing to do in those circumstances is to copy the text from the lower box and replace the text in the upper box with it? Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 08:28, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
Your question is no longer there after my long break, so I can't read it to answer it properly. The characters are stored in MediaWiki:Copyrightwarning, which can be edited by any admin (like myself). I can see that they're not encoded properly, which I assume is the problem. Just tell me what they should be, and I'll change them. -- 19:16, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
I recently edit conflicted myself again by hitting the save button and then the stop button. Then save again and got edit conflict cause the first time the save went through. Copy my stuff from bottom box to top box, and hit save again to test wether I would get a duplication and I did. I was expecting it because the diff the edit conflict shows mentions the whole article as stuff my edit didn't have and the actual diff on the section I was editing. Somehow the section I was editing got replaced by the article. That's why the section I was editing didn't get duplicated. Seems like a simple bug to fix if you know your code. I am talking about this [3] -- MarSch 12:54, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
I use the Galeon browser for Linux, which is essentially a variant of Firefox. — Mulad (talk) 04:39, May 29, 2005 (UTC)
Hi - Do you enough about CSS to know whether the monobook skin can be fixed to avoid the issue raised here? You never commented about my response indicating it's not just a Gecko bug. I haven't tried Opera, but if it affects pretty much every layout engine except IE's it seems to me that wikipedia's default skin should avoid the issue. Thanks. -- Rick Block ( talk) 15:41, May 29, 2005 (UTC)
Hi Rick. Thanks for the note – I understand now. However, I do like using {{ tl}} because it also includes the link to the template, which I find very useful. However, I think it is important to only use it with subst:, so that the coding is easy and the server load is small. Cheers, smoddy 09:39, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I didn't intend my comments to be non-civil. Perhaps I'm being too forward with my opinions but I really do think Steinsky is attempting to speak for more than just himself, which is why I brought the discussion off my user talk page to WP:D. I don't understand how he can say they aren't needed when the assessment of need is one that is impossible to do without speaking on behalf of others. Honestly, my comments were not ones to rile up a fight or be uncivil... Cburnett 02:52, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
Somebody made an Infobox template for Japanese cities. I tried to use it for Nagahama, but it doesn't look right. Questions:
{{subst:Japanese city|
Name = Nagahama |
JapaneseName = |
Region = |
Prefecture = |
Area = |
Population = |
PopDate = |
Density = |
Mayor = |
Tree = |
Flower = |
SymbolImage = |
CityHallPostalCode = |
CityHallAddress = |
CityHallPhone = |
CityHallLink = |
Latitude = |
Longitude = |
CityMap = |
Notes = |
ExtraNotes =
}}
Nagahama () | ||
Country | Japan | |
Region | ||
Prefecture | ||
Area | 'km² | |
Population | ' as of | |
Density | ||
Mayor | ||
City symbols | Tree | |
Flower | ||
[[Image:|150px]] | ||
Nagahama City Hall | ||
Address | 〒 | |
Phone | ||
Latitude & Longitude |
||
[[Image:]] | ||
Notes |
-- Rick Block ( talk) 13:40, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for thinking of me on this. Do you know if there is a Wikipedia page that explains the duties of an admin? I'd like to find out what's required before I commit myself. Thanks! 23skidoo 02:22, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I've seen it. I don't think I have anything to apologize for — I unprotected a page that had been protected, ostensibly against vandalism, for over a week; normally vandalism protection should only last for at most a couple of days, because there's no need for lengthy discussion to resolve a dispute. At the same time, I'm not interested in defending my honor or whatever, so I thought it better simply not to get involved in that discussion.
The right thing for Redux to do would have been to bring this up with me personally, as Knowledge Seeker pointed out. That's why contacting the other party is the first step in resolving disputes. Then he could have figured out why there was a misunderstanding. Since then, we had a brief conversation on the article talk page and he didn't mention the issue at all. I won't presume to guess why, but for now I'm not interested in making this molehill any bigger. -- Michael Snow 01:12, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I put the "*". I wouldn't mind being considered for adminship. Thanks. -- FuriousFreddy 02:13, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Rick, I hope you don't mind this observation, but I think this list of yours is not a good idea. People chosen for adminship should be responsible editors who are able to collaborate with others, who have a fairly wide range of interests, and who make good contributions to the encyclopedia, post on talk pages, do a little janitorial work, etc. You seem to be judging by numbers of edits alone, which is often very misleading — single-issue editors who make lots of minor edits (e.g. adding categories) will often have enormous numbers of edits to their names, and yet will have no knowledge of the community, and no experience of adding substantive content. I've noticed on your list some names of people who would definitely not be good candidates (not by any standard). Can I ask you to reconsider the use of this list? SlimVirgin (talk) 03:17, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)
I agree. I think it's a bad idea. Quantity of edits does not indicate who would be a good administrator. At least one of your nominees is among the most biased editors I've run into, who seems to view the pages he has adopted as an ongoing debate, but one where he has the privilige of rewriting his opponent's position. When he gets mad, he will redirect the page to something nonsensical, or have a tantrum of revertions. He's been banned for violations of the revert rule. I'm sure there are others like it on the list. I wish you'd remove the list. We don't need to encourage them. Pollinator 00:32, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)
Alright, I'm game, since it's now official that my categories were whittled down to just AFC & NFC Pro Bowl players... so what do we do? -- FutureNJGov 11:08, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)
I was once nominated for administratorship and it seemed to cause a lot of controversy at the time. In fact, the person who nominated me withdrew his support for me. I don't want to go through all that again, so I wonder whether I should even bother starring my name. -- BRG 14:10, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)
Rick, thanks for your note. Actually, it was a bit of cooincidence. I first noticed your list, and wasn't keen on the idea of it, and then saw that there are two (not one) members of it I'm currently having a problem with, over the same issue, and directly connected to their high volume of edits. So yes, it has taught me to scrutinize very carefully people with unusually high edits. For example, there's a particular editor I can think of (I won't name him/her and haven't checked to see whether s/he's on your list) who has 6,000 edits, and who has also used a number of sockpuppets, one of which has 15,000 edits. The reason for the high volume is the minor nature of the edits and the fact that s/he won't discuss them with other editors, and in fact the use of sockpuppets is to avoid being questioned too much. So this person would clearly make a terrible admin, but the danger is, if the name is simply plucked from your list, voters may not realize this, may not check the contribs carefully, probably won't know about the sockpuppets. The same user could end up with more than one adminship!
I know another editor (again, I haven't checked your list for this name) with 8,000 edits, who never uses the preview button and who makes only minor edits, never marking them as such. His/her edits to a page often consist of moving an image, saving, moving it back again, saving, moving it again, saving, moving it back again. The user also has a sockpuppet with 3,000 edits.
This is why it's very important for editors only to nominate other editors when they are thoroughly familiar with their work. One of the best ways to judge who'll make a good admin is to look at three things: (1) the volume and quality of posts on the user's talk page: someone who gets very little mail may not be interacting properly; (2) that their posts are well-balanced between the main namespace, article talk, user talk, and Wikipedia pages; and (3) that they accurately describe their edits in edit summaries, which shows respect for other editors.
I appreciate you taking my concerns seriously, and I thank you for that, and for having added the disclaimer. I'd like to suggest a change to it, as follows:
DISCLAIMER: This list indicates large numbers of edits, which generally, although not necessarily,indicates a more than casual dedication to improving Wikipedia's content. However, a large number of edits may consist of mostly minor edits (whether marked as minor or not), like adding categories; may be of a single-issue nature; or may indicate a failure to use the preview button. Users on this list, including those indicating an interest, may or may not make suitable candidates for a nomination to become administrators. Nominators are advised to check the balance of a potential nominee's edits between the main namespace, article talk, user talk, and posts to policy and Wikipedia discussion pages, and also to check that the nominee describes his or her edits accurately in edit summaries. SlimVirgin (talk) 20:37, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)
Hi! I am still interested. Do not remove me from this list please. Maybe I will be candidating for an admin in July-October this year. - Darwinek 07:12, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The fact that our main developer, Jamesday, says it's a good idea for technical reasons (and that ArbCom member David Gerard reasserts that), makes it a de facto guideline in my opinion. R adiant _>|< 13:51, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the notice. I did decline nomination more than a year ago. I find myself busy enough as bureaucrat on Wiktionary (also Wikisource, but I haven't done much there in the last couple months). The one area where I would find being Wikipedia admin useful is in reviewing the history of deleted articles that have been Transwikied to Wiktionary. Consider me still undecided, which is a little more enthusiastic than outright decline. Eclecticology 20:28, 2005 Jun 14 (UTC)
Hi Rick Block,
Thanks for the offer but I think I'll defer for the time being. Maybe in six months or a year I'll toss my hat in the ring, though.
Best regards
Fg2 08:05, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
I've already blocked him -- already been warned at the other ip. Evil Monkey∴ Hello 04:07, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)
Rick, thanks for the suggestion. I've added the "*" to the list. Should I add my name for consideration on Requests for adminship? Mark 11:45, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestion, but I'm presently not much of a Wikipedia contributor - my present number of monthly contributions at the moment is negligible, and the great number of edits is just a remnant of the past. (Not to mention that given my recent conduct on Wikipedia, I have very little chance of becoming an admin.) Regardless, yours is a very nice initiative. — Itai ( f&t) 07:20, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for telling about the initiative. I guess it would be best for other people to nominate me. Self-nomination is not quite good to me myself. :-D — Insta ntnood 10:42, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)
Hey Rick. Thanks for letting me know about your list. As it is now, I'm on an indefinite wikibreak, ironically, mainly because of the whole admin thing & WP:RFA. It seems adminship has turned into a clique and a joke. It's pretty sad when an admin invites their friend(s) to Wikipedia from online forums to support them, and they manage to get them promoted three months later, despite very little contributions other than to talk. Your initiative is good and I hope it picks up momentum. Perhaps those who actually build the encyclopedia (instead of bickering about it) will get some overdue recognition. Good luck! -- jag123 16:50, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Hi,
Thanks for your suggestion. Yes, I've been around since somewhere in April 2001. For a few years I used to be quite active in English Wikipedia but now I'm rather short on free time and totally absorbed by Polish Wikipedia. All I do on a regular basis is inserting interwiki links and it would be very hard for me to fullfill administrative tasks properly. Anyhow I appreciate your invitation. I might apply for a admin status some time in future.
Regards,
Kpjas 21:20, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Hi Rick - thanks for the extra details; I'll wait and see if anyone thinks I'm worth nominating before I make my final decision - MPF 19:54, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I was wrong. It sounded like a bad idea to me - I figured that people knew where they stood and either wanted to be an admin, or didn't. It seems like people just needed a little prodding to say they were interested - and needed a forum to indicate interest. I think this diff says it all. Good job, and keep up the good work. Guettarda 20:24, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Hi,
Thanks for your Saturday note. I just finished writing a long response here, and when I tried to "Save Page" it after a "Show Preview, I kept getting this message that there was an "Edit Conflict", and the computer just wouldn't pass it through! For 30 minutes, I've been trying to get it to you, by hook or crook, and it just won't accept it. So - I will try to get back to you in a day or two, when the Wiki programming isn't sleeping one off, but this will let you know that I appreciated your writing me, and that I do want any assistance you care to give. Best, Rich Wannen 20 Jun 2005.
Well, let me see if I can get the Wikiserver to cooperate now and transmit my complete message.
What I'm working on is reconciling the discrepancy between the default term & introductory article Film and appendices, accessible via the site Search field, and the default Category, Cinema, which is accessed through the Culture header at the top of the Wikipedia home page, which leads to a whole different starting point (a list of subcategories, which go to several levels of sub-sub categories, and a hodgepodge of articles, of which Film is just part of the alphabet soup). This, IMO, will end up with a single entry point, regardless of whether Culture or Search is used, and a far more simplified and better, more logically organized subcategory/article "Table of Contents" that the unwikified casual user or would-be contributor can use to find what he/she is looking for, or what needs adding or developing that he/she can contribute to. At this point, with two different starting points, and each with its own sets of secondary and tertiary links, going this way and that, and perhaps not linked to both "header" terms ( Cinema defaults to Film in the Search field, even!), it's a big mess. That is an impression as a "newbie" but I think it is exceedingly pertinent, as the objective of Wikipedia seems to be to reach a larger audience, and if it is a pain in the ass to use, alot of newcomers will go elsewhere.
After the organization is complete, then I plan to look around for articles/topics that need to be corrected, expanded or added; but I just can't get a focus going with the clutter there.
So - your involvement on this project would certainly be more than welcome - there's an enormous amount of film/cinema/movie entries in here, and just getting the existing material organized is a big one - assuming you agree with me on my central premise, of course.
In that context, what I'd propose is - I'm presently looking at the attachment to the Film article which I've identified on the page, much to the annoyance of Mother Wantman, as Index of Film Topics instead of just List of movie-related topics. And what I'm doing is organizing it a bit, the objective being to be able to take an orderly look at the contents and see if they're duplicated elsewhere, and then decide how to eliminate the duplications.
Presently there is a section headed Terminology, on which I'm working; I'm down to H. I'm taking from each alphabetic section those terms which are *technical* terms and sticking them under Motion picture terminology, linked just below the Terminology heading (and which contains only a handful of terms on its own, making it a stub duplication of terminology with some different entries), and leaving behind the assortment of job titles, industry slang, organization/company names, proper names and other miscellanea that's just been stuffed in there and left. We can deal with the residue once the technical terms have been factored out and everything put into more readable column formats instead of strung across the page; if you'd care to start at Z and work your way up, we can meet in the middle somewhere in the next couple of days.
The thing I'd like to do after that, and you may want to do this instead, is look at the article Film and its section History of Film, and then look and the separate article History of Film and give me your thoughts whether these should be merged, or History of Film finalized as more of a Timeline of Film History, which someone seems to have started to do and then dropped the ball around the 1930s, leaving behind just flat text; and I have no opinion at the moment which way it should go, but I don't think having two different articles that simply describe the "history of film" makes much sense.
Or, maybe you have some ideas of your own, or want to explore the Category portion from Category:Cinema (which I can't seem to get to link up here, but as I said you find it under Culture on the home page), and see if there isn't a better organizational plan, something that would go to 2 levels at worst, instead of the maze of sub and sub-sub cellars that I keep running into there; and give me your thoughts, or take some action.
So, that is the kind of help I could use, and if you or others want to join in, great. Or if you want to work on it from a different perspective, that's fine too, let's just coordinate so we don't collide with each other.
Again, many thanks for your kind message and offer of help. Best wishes: Rich Wannen 6:45PM CST, 20 Jun 2005.
PS - Is it my imagination, or wasn't the tab title for these private message boards TALK just a little while ago; now the heading is DISCUSSION but I'd swear it wasn't that way when I first got here. - RW.
You see my Userpage? It has two meta tags (links that go to other wikimedia projects). They tend to stand in the way of the other sections. As I do that for other article pages too, the same thing happens, like Faith. -- Admiral Roo 18:41, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)
I copied the changes and the h2 headings from a page that was transcluded onto the reference desk. It seems that it's no problem in that case. Anyway, thanks for changing it, I'm inclined to change it to just bolding though, to keep it all above the TOC. - Mgm| (talk) 04:54, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)
Hi - It's probably not worth undoing, but you archived some stuff from WP:VPT that was way more recent than the requisite 7 days. In particular, the exchange with Rich Wannen was most recently commented on less than 24 hours ago. I assume he's probably gone for good this time, but I would have preferred for him to have had a chance to see this comment. In any event, please take more care next time (i.e. look at the newest comment, regardless of how old the thread is). BTW - I do appreciate that somebody finally got around to archiving. The page was definitely getting unwieldy. -- Rick Block ( talk) 23:51, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)
That was what I was looking for. -- Admiral Roo 10:25, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)
No, I haven't made any requests about it on bugzilla (yet), but I see others requested it a long time ago. See: Wikipedia:Ignored feature requests#Rollback Edit summary. So the developers know about the request. But since it's very old, maybe it's time to request it again. Shanes 16:45, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Listen, I'm working on the Pro Bowl stuff, and I know I got a little out of hand with my reaction to the deleting of the year-by-year cats (which I now realize was a good thing), but they're trying to delete the cats for the older NFL franchises that don't (currently) have entries in them... I'm trying to add entries as fast as I can to keep them open (mostly the Cardinals entries... they want to delete the Chicago, St. Louis, and Phoenix cats)... I made categories for some of the older teams to establish who played back in the day & who's playing now, but I need a little assistance... not saying you need to go through and find players (I'll handle that), but could you add a 'keep' vote for me... I realize my last categorization was a little overzealous, but I don't see anything wrong with this one, and before I get stupid and blow my top again (which won't happen, I swear), could you help me out please? I'd really appreciate it. Anthony 22:21, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)
Since picture's ( Image:Monty2.gif) source image is another picture ( Image:Monty-hall.png) licensed under the GFDL then can't we say that the second work is GFDL or GFDL compatible? This link is Broken 02:44, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
No. This link is Broken 03:58, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
This is really bizarre, but I found out about your list through random browsing just yesterday, and now here you are telling me about it yourself. Freaky. :)
Anyway, as for the list, I think I'll leave it for the moment. If someone wishes to nominate me, that's fine. I'm not going to proactively pursue it myself, though. At least not anytime soon.
Thanks for "officially" pointing out the list though. -- TheParanoidOne 17:51, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I was nominated twice before, but sadly, during some conflicts. Got the popular vote but not a consensus. I'd love to be an admin just so cleaning up the site would be easier to do. All I can do is the wiki-equivalent of whistle-blowing. Thanks for the info...I've added the asterisk! - Lucky 6.9 28 June 2005 21:44 (UTC)
Dear Rick Block:
Thanks for your courtesy, but I'm not interested at this time. I did decline nomination more a year ago. Maybe in the future I'll feel able to contribute and moderate diverse points of view. Right now, I prefer to share my feelings and experiences to peers who have common interests. If my ideas and descriptions will add knowledge and pleasure of wikipedians, I shall be delighted; if not, I'm always open to an alternative interpretation, suggest or comment. "Let your ideas be second-hand, and if possible tenth-hand, for then they will be far removed from that disturbing element— direct observation". - The Machine Stops, by E.M. Forster [4]. My regards, and thanks again. :-) MusiCitizen June 28, 2005 05:21 (UTC)
I saw your note on Kevn Rector's talk page, and thought I should tell you that Kevin left the project a while ago. So I don't think he'll be an admin anytime soon (though I would have supported him when he was here). -- Dmcdevit 28 June 2005 23:35 (UTC)
Just saw your message, and I have added the "*" to my name as you directed. Thanks. -- Tottenville8 02 July 2005 11:34 (UTC)
Just to inform you, I have returned and am no longer inactive, as of July 3, 2005. Long story short that nobody wishes to know, my inactivity is generally determined by the amount of time I spend recording my album. If I ever find myself inactive for a lengthy period again, I will be sure to let you know. Bobo 192| Edits 3 July 2005 15:25 (UTC)
I haven't been interested in the past, though I think it would be increasingly useful for helping with my work on cricket-related articles. However, even though I was fully vindicated, it's probably best to let the ArbCom case rest a while before going for adminship, jguk 3 July 2005 18:12 (UTC)
The upgrade came and went without any automatic generation of TOC's. I'm quite surprised because the typical comment about {{categoryTOC}} was "this is not needed because it will be automatic in future versions". (I don't know how software decisions actually get made. It seems to be hit or miss, whatever the programmers feel like taking on. I used to be a software designer in the 80's and find this to be quite odd.) I've gotten the same argument when it comes to dealing with the super and sub-categorization controversy. Do you have an understanding about how software design issues get decided? I've been wondering about all this and how to to proceed. Category battles are draining quite a bit of people's energies. Any ideas and suggestions you may have would be appreciated.
Also, I noticed that you have not taken any credit for {{categoryTOC}}. I may have written the first version of it, but that would not have been possible without your work. Also, once written, you did quite a bit to perfect it. So please take credit as well. -- Samuel Wantman 4 July 2005 05:47 (UTC)
Hi Rick. If you have some time, would you mind reading this RfC? Thanks, Redux 5 July 2005 02:28 (UTC)
Hey Rick. I just wanted to say thanks again personally for the kind help. Not sure if I figured it out yet, but in any case, it stopped happening. So thanks for taking the time to help. With any luck I'll have that list up to featured status soon! -- Dmcdevit 5 July 2005 05:34 (UTC)
You may also wish to see Wikipedia:Another list of Wikipedians in order of arrival. There is a query that can update the list that has not been run for a long time.
I went through the list about six months ago and nominated every Wikipedian who was (a) active, (b) had lots of edits, (c) had been editing for at least a year, (d) not already an admin, (e) interested in adminship, and (f) not under some sort of raincloud.
The Uninvited Co., Inc. 5 July 2005 15:59 (UTC)
You wrote on my talk page: Hi - For some time I've been trying to help chase down how articles end up getting duplicated, as happened recently by this edit of yours. Do you remember exactly what happened? I think there's generally an edit conflict window involved, but if you could remember exactly what you did afterwards (perhaps copy, paste, back button, etc.) it would be very helpful. Thanks. -- Rick Block ( talk) July 5, 2005 18:02 (UTC)
I note you've just added the standard "please check the list" iem to Alkivar's talk page. it may be worth checking the admin-related lists before you auomatically put messages on talk pages (in this case, Alkivar's adminship nomination was rejected by vote about three days ago!) Grutness... wha? 7 July 2005 04:44 (UTC)
Any particular reason you didn't block the wander dude? Just curious. -- Rick Block ( talk) July 8, 2005 02:16 (UTC)
Thanks - thought I did that and it didnt work. It did, of course. SV| t 8 July 2005 06:22 (UTC)
Hi - I asked this before and as far as I can tell you archived it without answering. Can you please respond (even if you simply don't remember)?. Traipsing through the ancient history, it looks like you were around at the time and involved in this work. Do you have any idea where the values in the US state articles for width, length, and mean elevation came from (originally)? There's a suggestion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._states to include both metric and English measurements (since the states are in the US, at least some folks are objecting to metric-only). Both are included for Kansas and Missouri, and I'm willing to change the infobox template (and the articles) to explicitly include both. I've looked a bit, but can't seem to find USGS or anything I'd call authoritative sources for width, length, and mean elevation. Thanks. -- Rick Block ( talk) July 8, 2005 14:41 (UTC)
I posted a possible source for your query about geographical statistics about the states here: Wikipedia:Reference_desk#US_State_widths.2C_lengths.2C_and_mean_elevations. PedanticallySpeaking July 8, 2005 19:47 (UTC)
I've read his explanation, and to be honest I'm not wholly satisfied; how long would it have taken him to say "I accept"? After all, he still hasn't answered the questions. Moreover, he nowhere says that he accepts the nomination (hence my question in the "comments" section). The most that I'm likely to do, though, is go back to neutral; he's an odd mixture — often a decent editor, but when he's in "moderating" mode he often does more harm than good, with a knack for rubbing already irritated participants up the wrong way. -- Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 9 July 2005 17:20 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know! My vote is still neutral pending the answering of the questions; I will change it once the questions are answered. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 9 July 2005 17:25 (UTC)
Hi, and thanks for adding me to the list. Unfortunately, I don't have much time for Wikipedia now and couldn't devote it to admin duties, but when I do, I will return the * :) Nikola 17:33, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
NekoDaemon is scheduled to create a new page exactly one hour before 0:00 UTC, just like VFD Bot. Then it is scheduled to run again at exactly 5-10 minutes before 0:00 UTC to add the pages. Then it updates and closes out the old pages 10 minutes after 0:00 UTC. However, the thing is that when you add a new entry to the page, the system goes by UTC since everything on the Wikipedia is run accordingly to UTC. It doesn't matter if part of the world is already a day ahead, the autolinker for the date runs by Wikipedia time, not by one's local time. -- AllyUnion (talk) 06:54, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
Thanks very much for your reply to my query at WP:RD. I am grateful. PedanticallySpeaking 17:15, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
Hi! I've just crossed a symbolic milestone. Three thousand edits! I feel like celebrating. Have a cigar! Don't worry, I don't smoke them either, but it's all good :)! Cheers, Redux 14:53, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
Thought you might like to know, there's a new place you can run SQL queries on database dumps: see the lovely WikiSign site set up by Benutzer:Filzstift!! It has an English dump from June 23. — Catherine\ talk 20:36, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for the offer of help! I've almost got the revised version (the one that feeds off the raw database) running; just have to finish the timestamp parsing, and then keep two sets of totals, not just one. One question: since you're doing a bunch of sorting anyway, how much extra work would it be for you if I produced a file with just:
and dropped the:
which I could produce, but would be a post-processing step. (I.e. I'm not up for adding a sorting stage to my program; if I had to do it, I'd probably spit out a file, use Unix sort to sort it, and then grovel further over the results.) Plus to which, I'm not sure about this "week" business - it would be easier to make it "month", and then I only have to keep two sets of totals, not three. (Although given the code for two, it's mostly a matter of copy/paste/slight-mod to get three.)
Whatever works easiest overall I can do, though; if you really need the rankings I can do that. Noel (talk) 19:09, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
OK, so here's some recent output:
en,0,0,1,0,0,0,Tbc en,55,0,2,0,0,0,Maveric149 en,3,0,1,0,0,0,Stephen Gilbert en,54,0,3,0,0,0,Koyaanis Qatsi en,3,0,1,0,0,0,RoseParks en,24,0,1,0,0,0,Andre Engels en,24,0,1,0,0,0,JimboWales en,11,1,1,0,0,0,Liftarn en,42,0,1,0,0,0,Ams80 en,33,1,1,0,0,0,Ahoerstemeier en,22,0,3,0,0,0,CatherineMunro en,4,0,1,0,0,0,TUF-KAT en,17,0,2,0,0,0,Angela en,1,0,1,0,0,0,Efghij en,1,0,2,0,0,0,Aravindet en,3,0,2,0,0,0,Frihet en,9,0,1,0,0,0,RedWolf en,4,0,1,0,0,0,Dehumanizer en,7,0,1,0,0,0,Marcika en,9,0,1,0,0,0,Anville en,8,0,2,0,0,0,Quadell en,37,3,3,1,0,0,Mustafaa en,0,0,1,0,0,0,MDMullins en,2,0,2,1,0,0,D prime en,0,0,2,0,0,0,LinkBot en,4,0,2,0,0,0,Philomax 2
which as you can see looks just like the old StatisticsUsers.csv, except that the last two columns are zero. The program has a zillion flags on it to control what it collects and what gets prints, but I've set if up so that it none are specified, it spits out the old StatisticsUsers.csv data (i.e. main total, main last 30 days, non-main total, non-main last 30), as above. The numbers are small because I'm working with a small piece of the database, "only" 375MB.
As far as the bot stuff goes, I'm not sure if the database dump has that info. It does have a bunch of entries I'm not yet processing for anon adits which were later assigned to a user, but those are no help. (I.e. you see records like <contributor><ip>Conversion script</ip></contributor> which are not different in syntax from records like <contributor><ip>StefanAtev</ip></contributor> which seems to be an anon edit that was later assigned to a user.) Fixing the code to count them is one of the last things I have to do to it (not tonight, maybe tomorrow).
Your suggestion of "new" for new entries sounds fine.
My plan is to finish the last few tweaks (counting assigned edits, plus I need to read the explicit namespace list from the database, instead of trying to intuit it from article names - which doesn't work sometimes), and then find a database dump I can run it over. Noel (talk) 03:01, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
Excellent rv. I just don't know where the illogical argument is coming from. Is it a joke on reason or do they really believe their POV. Jeesh - It makes me wonder! hydnjo talk 02:52, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
Hi. It doesn't matter if there are one trillion doors, cards, or whatever. Let me pick one. You show me all the other goats until there are two doors left. I'll have one-trillionth chance of winning the car if I stick with my first choice. I'll have 50% chance of winning if I switch. — Fingers-of-Pyrex 02:53, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
Hello Rick. I am here once again to state my view on the question. It is 50/50, I think. Lets start with the three doors. Now...one door,1, has the goat and is choosen by contestant. Monty opens the other one,which leaves only one door. Monty skips the door you choose, admitedly, but he(or she) also skips over another door, either a car or goat.There are two solutions from here.
One: Players Chooses Goat 1: Switching Will Win Two: Players Chooses Car: Switching Will Lose.
No matter it the players chooses goat one or goat two, it is the same scenario. O=Opened C=Choosen U=Unknown
Goat 1:C Door 2: O Door 3: Car Goat 1:U Goat 2: O Door 3: U Those are the only two problems. You can't use the goats twice in a row. The player will always end up with two doors. One will be the right one and one the wrong one. Please make a diagram proving me wrong.
Ok, so stupid me, but I have to do this. Lets take this down to such a basic level that even I understand.
Respectfully, hydnjo talk 21:18, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
Hey Rick Block, thanks for asking, but no I'm not active in editing articles these days, and barring some burst of sanity here I will never be an admin. I've done too much warding off of vandals and POV pushers and gained enough enemies to sink any nomination, especially adding in their self-righteous apologists who have no clue about the subject or even the project but proclaim from on high that I should compromise with nutballs. Very Verily 15:34, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
Now that's a pretty interesting list. You can keep the "*" next to my nick, by the way.
Also, could you please sign your message on my talk page? Denelson 83 14:23, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
Hey Rick, just wanted to stop by to say thanks for the thorough reply to my question over at the help desk. I took your advice and wikified the article. I'm pretty happy with it and ready to keep going! :-) Thanks again, Mrtea 02:11, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
Hi - I saw your note on user:John Fader's talk page. He hasn't made any edits since May 21, so is either on an extended wikibreak or has simply gone missing. His account has email turned off, so I'm not sure there's a reasonable way to tell which of these is going on. Just thought I'd let you know you might not be getting a response soon (or perhaps ever :( ). -- Rick Block ( talk) 22:51, July 27, 2005 (UTC)
OOps, no — I just looked at the User page, saw that it was a bot, and added the designation. -- Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 14:52, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
OOps, no — I just looked at the User page, saw that it was a bot, and added the designation. -- Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 14:53, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
Hi - No big deal, but I'm user:Rick Block, not user:Steve block (no relation as far as I know). -- Rick Block ( talk) 01:26, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
Hi Rick, FYI, Have you seen this? It look like Rich Wannen may have returned. -- Samuel Wantman 20:31, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
If you're Rich Wannen, can you please leave me a note on my talk page? I'm still willing to try to help, in the sense of being an advocate as described at Wikipedia:Association of Members' Advocates. I understand your recent activities have been, let's say, not well received by some admins. I fear you are proceeding on a path that may well lead to you being banned from editing wikipedia. I was saddened to see you driven away from wikipedia after your first attempts. I was more saddened to see you go the second time. If you end up banned I will be even further saddened. If you do not trust me and would rather work with someone else (perhaps any official advocate on the list at the page mentioned above), I will completely understand. Thanks. And please leave me a message. -- Rick Block ( talk) 21:35, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
Don't worry, it happens to the best of us - and the joy of a wiki is that anyone can help. Thryduulf 19:28, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the interesting problem. See Wikipedia:Bot_requests#Duplicate_content_in_articles and Wikipedia:Duplicated sections. -- Beland 06:25, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
Hi - One way to read your notes at Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2005_July_28 (and I know you don't actually mean them this way) is that the anon votes are sockpuppets of Kbdank71. Since this anon (whoever it is) didn't actually add the entries to CFD, I don't think it's inappropriate for him/her to vote. And, if his/her ISP dynamically allocates IP addresses and the user want to remain anonymous, how would you expect him/her to vote? Calling these "sockpuppet" votes seems a little overly confrontational. Would you consider changing your note to be a little less insulting (assuming good faith)? Perhaps something like "user assumed to be the same as the user who originally added the cfd tag"? IMO, accusing someone of being a sockpuppet is assuming some level of malicious intent, which I think is perhaps not warranted in this case. BTW - in case you have any doubt, I assure you I am not the anon in question. -- Rick Block ( talk) 03:26, August 2, 2005 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for your message. Actually, I had assumed good faith. I will change the notes on the ones that Kbdank71 "added" but the anon tagged. The only reason I used the term "sockpuppet", is because if you actually read his votes, he insinuates that he is not the same person, yet they are all the exact same edits by each IP, along with the post on Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts stating he was not the same person. I have tried to assume good faith, but he continued to remove Cfd tags, have categories requested to be speedied. The only way I fealt the discussion could be fair, is if all were aware of the activities of the anon, although I'm sure most people realized it was the same. Have a look at the log I created, if you haven't already User:Who/Discussion log/RW. I am not on a personal vendetta, I was in agreement with the anon about changing some of the cat's, but then it became ridiculous and we had to clean up all the bad-faith stuff that was done. I will go change the way the comments read now. Thanks again. ∞ Who ?¿? 03:34, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
Fixed. I still try to keep an open mind, and have seen some good contributions by this user. I just hope someone can have a good discussion with them in the future. Thanks again. ∞ Who ?¿? 04:27, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for pointing it out to me. I would have never have noticed because im always at wikinews and not here. CGorman 09:06, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
66.90.213.45 00:23, 3 August 2005 (UTC) (the former MPLX)
Hey Rick, I noticed that the name Rick Block has an * by it on "the list" and I thought I'd ask: Do you think, perhaps, maybe, hypothetically, you might be interested in being an admin? If perhaps, maybe, hypothetically, you might, I might, perhaps, maybe, hypothetically nominate you. -- Essjay · Talk 02:42, August 4, 2005 (UTC)
I'm not too worried. I've seen you around, and I've seen good work. I think the community will respect that. -- Essjay · Talk 03:57, August 4, 2005 (UTC)
You recently wrote me: "I understand you're currently under arbcom restrictions, but if you are ever in a position where you're interested in becoming an admin (even now), can you please add an '*' immediately before your name in this list? I've suggested folks nominating someone might want to puruse this list, although there is certainly no guarantee anyone will ever look at it. I've marked you on this list as "restricted". Feel free to update this as well."
I haven't been under any Arbcom restrictions for quite some time. In fact, I have been actively editing since February of this year. However, I took an extended Wiki-break; I really haven't been around for the last four months. I've just had too much to do in my personal and professional life. (Good news in regards to where I work, where I live, and my family, but all of this is quite time consuming.) I don't know how much time I will be able to contribute to Wikipedia; I suspect I won't have much free time for the rest of this year, so I am not interested in becoming an Admin. But your offer is much appreciated. 23:56, August 4, 2005 (UTC)
...now has a straw poll. Please give your opinion. R adiant _>|< 09:50, August 4, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for reverting the vandalism to my user page on August 3. -- Viriditas | Talk 12:13, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
Hello Rick, This is FangAili who asked a question ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk#don.27t_know_password_or_email_address). Is there any way I can know the email address this name is registered to? Thanks for all your help.
Oh my. Thanks for the heads up. -- Beland 03:46, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
You recently nominated user:tregoweth for adminship. I had a recent encounter with them whereby an image I added to mons pubis was removed as either copyvio or "nsfw". It wasn't clear at all from the edit comment why this was done. Upon asking the user why this was done, they apologized and said that it was accidental. Having edited the user's talk page, it is on my watch list. I am continually amazed to see how many of these minor altercations the user gets in to. Would you mind saying something as an objective third party who seems to have support for the user? Thanks, Avriette 18:43, August 8, 2005 (UTC)
I believe this kind of discussion is useful, but the present one has raised a number of questions regarding procedure, and I was rather dismayed to hear that there had been a similar discussion half a year ago that none of us had been aware of. As such, it may be useful to have a centralized page (like RFC) for these things. I've set up a rough draft at Wikipedia:Standards, and would like your opinion on it. Its current wording could probably use some heavy revision (feel free to do so).
At the very least, there should be a central place for archiving and searching for these debates (the Manual of style comes to mind, but it is very unclear which parts of it have actual support and which parts were just arbitrarily put together). I personally believe that having standards is rather pointless if they're not enforceable, but that is especially an issue I'd like more opinions on. R adiant _>|< 08:07, August 9, 2005 (UTC)
I left SamuelWantman a note that we could co-nominate, and set the form up for that. You've been nominated, I'm sure Samuel will be along shortly to add his name, so go accept! -- Essjay · Talk 19:14, August 14, 2005 (UTC)
Um, I never saw the code to yours until now. We do two totally divergent operations, heh.
I decided right off that parsing the wiki code would be significantly easier than parsing HTML, as the syntax seemed fairly unified. I also decided to use C++, using my fairly proprietary C++ regex library (which is *far* easier to program with than the other C++ regex libraries (such as Boost's)).
My script receives the concatenated wikitext of the entire month's contents, and outputs two text files: Month_Year_a.txt (alphabetical) Month_Year_d.txt (by date).
The times are fairly amazing. Parsing 4325 lines (598 KB) of the June 2005 backlog is very fast (1800MHz AthlonXP):
$ time ./wiki-CfD real 0m0.018s
I just can't see bash/awk comparing, because I know how slow for each | sed is, and I presume that awk and sed have similiar engines (as they're both GNU shell scripts).
The thing I was most interested in were your regular expressions. Upon initial examination it apears that mine would probably handle more possible combinations than yours; esp. after the regex expressions have been peer reviewed by those more adept than myself.
A snippet of my code (along with the regexen) follows:
std::map<std::string, Pattern *> patterns; patterns["date"] = Pattern::compile("===\\s*([A-Z][a-z]+ [0-9]*)\\s*==="); patterns["category"] = Pattern::compile("====\\s*(\\[\\[:)*(.*?)\\s*===="); patterns["decision"] = Pattern::compile("Cfd top\\}\\} '''(.+)'''");
— HopeSeekr of xMule ( Talk) 02:34, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cleanup&action=edit
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia:Cleanup&action=edit
Thanks for the comments and the heads-up about the Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Featured_article_date thread and yes, it is still on my watchlist (I have responded there). I'm just waiting for some kind soul who knows how to mess with templates to help out with this. I would like, for example, to look at the Monty Hall problem at some time and be able to see how it has evolved since it's Main page debut but I don't have a way of knowing that date. I guess I could ask you ;-) BTW, you're racking-up quite an impressive vote tally, best wishes, hydnjo talk 18:11, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
Hey Rick, (soon to be your Adminship sir), would you prefer this conversation be moved elsewhere (say, Raul's talk page!) or are you OK with it here? I only ask because what started as a helpful gesture on your part seems to have perhaps expanded beyond your expectations. Or, it could possibly be moved to the WP:VP proposal section to gather a more diverse POV. What say you, as we seem to be stepping all over your talk page. ;-) hydnjo talk 03:19, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
Wow... I welcomed you in February 2004. You're right, I don't remember that at all. But I've seen you around since then, and would be glad to support your adminship. It's cool to see someone I welcomed become a valuable member of the community. Isomorphic 05:22, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
Hi! On Wikipedia we follow "Revised Hepburn". Double ch goes to tch instead of cch. Therefore Kucchan -> Kutchan. WhisperToMe 05:31, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
Hi - Do your votes at Wikipedia:Category_titles mean you think it would be worthwhile to rename all the occupation by nationality categories to be in "occupation from/of country" form? There are something like 75 of these kinds of categories (probably at least 500 individual categories, I'd guess referenced from 50,000-100,000 articles), nearly all in "nationality foo" format. Just curious how strongly you object to using adjectives. I assume you've seen Wikipedia:Category_titles/Categories_by_country? I know Pearle's a bot, but I personally don't think it would be worth the time to set her up to make these changes. -- Rick Block ( talk) 01:55, August 16, 2005 (UTC)
usernames are actually stored in the database without underscores (unlike titles) which is why underscores don't work. however i thought i'd actually fixed this so that you could use {{PAGENAME}} on a user pages... i'll have another look. —kate
Pearle normally operates at the maximum rate allowed by Wikipedia:Bots, which is one edit every 10 seconds. If Wikipedia responds too slowly or fails to respond, she waits 1 minute, 10 minutes, or 1 hour, depending on the severity of the problem. -- Beland 13:16, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
Hi - Do you happen to know user:John Fader in real life? He hasn't edited since May. I think he was one of the more reasonable folks around. Just wondering what happened. -- Rick Block ( talk) 14:18, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
Well, maybe Boothby just forgot to vote that day ;-) Regardless, you deserve adminship by anyone's standards. Hopefully someday i'll get there too. Karmafist 17:33, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
No you are not an exceptiopn to it, for the reason that their is no universal NO/nor sheep vote in my voting, my decisions only come after my evaluation of each canidate. As for amused, no i am not amused more like sickened and disapointed. -- Boothy443 | comhrÚ 21:47, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
Well, it still seems undisputed, even if you don't get 112. And, Coolcat's place is quite a rush, thanks for the tip, you soon to be Admin Sir. hydnjo talk 02:01, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
Hi - Thanks for the vote of confidence at rfa (and I suspect it will be your turn again fairly soon). Have you thought about getting a copy of pearle from beland and using a bot account for the uncategorizing work you do? user:whobot seems to be available. Once upon a time I did a fair amount of orphaned category parenting, which sometimes involves similar tasks so I know it can certainly be relaxing. On the other hand, you do enough of it that I'd worry about Repetitive strain injury (especially if you're using a mouse at all). I hope this comes across as friendly concern (which is how it's meant). Thanks for the rfa vote, and thanks for all the cfd (and other) work you do. -- Rick Block ( talk) 02:11, August 20, 2005 (UTC)
Hi Rick. I don't think we have a problem, just a disagreement as you say. I seem to have, on Wikipedia at least, a tendency to consider what's gone before as largely non-binding unless it has a policy tag on it. I know that places like VfD etc set kinds-of precedents and they must sometimes be respected but generally, and particularly for structural things, I usually think it should be changed if it needs changing. Not everything needs changing by any means, but some things do. In the cat titles case particularly, many of the discussions on CfD have gone "oh, that's how they already did it" which is ok for a single cat where any wider change would be out-of-scope to a single CfD debate. But for a debate of the type on Category titles, with community polls and much discussion, I think we're free to reach what conclusion we reach. I do wonder how some of the conventions (case in point: "rivers of foo") grew up. I suspect that the first editor made a few cats named like that, the next one thought, "oh, that's how we do it round here" and it just extends. But that doesn't necessarily make it right — the first editor might have been wrong. We shouldn't shy away from making sweeping changes to fix things on the rare occasion we have the chance to be sweeping. We shouldn't presume that we (or others) got it right first-time. That is not say, of course, that I will always adopt a position contrary to the prevailing one.
All of that said, I think your analysis of the existing category naming is excellent, and useful. How else would we have been able to say "let's start here because that might be easy"? How else would I have known in advance that I didn't like all the geographical names ;) ? It gives us a nicely structured way to proceed and a correspondingly clear structure to present to the community as we do so.
Reading back of my comments, I can see that I've been rather harsh toward the suggestions you've made. I'm sorry. I didn't mean, or intend, to simply throw out the good work you've done analyzing the existing structures. I jumped in with such...firm...language because I could see those who have the opposite feeling to me (about the adjective/country question specifically) seizing on the status-quo as somehow immutable and concluding that we had no ability to change it, regardless of how the polling might go. So I made my opposition to simply adopting the status-quo because it's the status-quo loud and clear. Loud enough and clear enough that I couldn't simply be stepped around but also loud and clear enough that I give the impression of being slightly spiteful towards your suggestions. I have great respect for your thoughts, and for those of all the editors in the cat titles discussion. I will tread more diplomatically in future. - Splash 05:00, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
I've just put together a Proposed poll question? since discussion dried up a bit. I hope that's not too presumptuous and that I covered all the points. Steve block talk 20:50, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
Actually I was trying to figure out what you meant, but then i looked at the history. User:Uncle G's 'bot added the entry, but it says its for Vfd, so I will have to leave him a message about the format we use. Thanks for pointing it out. ∞ Who ?¿? 02:55, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
Congratulations! It's my pleasure to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator. You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages such as the Main Page. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the new administrators' how-to guide helpful. Cheers! -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 18:53, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
I actually started to edit the Revert help page but... it's a table with {{R}} stuff in it that was not obvious to me. So rather than mess it up I posted the request on talk. Would appreciate your making the change... I promise I'll go look at it and try to understand. Thanks! -- Sitearm | Talk 22:28, 2005 August 21 (UTC)
I fully understand Wikipedia runs on UTC (and the difference between UTC and GMT) and completely agree that it should. I'm still not understanding what the problem is with adding the link 12 hours earlier. Are you suggesting adding entries under the current "local" day rather than the current "UTC" day is vandalism? IMO this is a very, very minor user error. How about if the "active" day article starts with a header like "Please add new entries in this section" (rather than a date), and the bot changes the header to a date as part of making the next day's article active? Doing this I think there would be a small window where either there are two articles with the "add new entries here" header or there is no article with this header (I think I prefer the latter). In any event, I think we should do something to avoid the current situation where someone in Tokyo might think (incorrectly) s/he should add a new link and day article. -- Rick Block (talk) 17:01, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
Hi, I checked back in and saw your note on the admin question. I have been formally away for a while, but I check back in occasionally. I am planning to restart some work in the near future. I have some tentative interest in admin status, but it's something I'll have to think about further. Feel free to E-mail me privately Acsenray 15:22, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
I was hoping you could take a look at the VfD for "Pirates of the Great Lakes", and perhaps delete the article if you feel it's appropriate. I was the last and most recent vote on August 16th, so some kind of decision should be reached without further delay. I figured that since you were a new admin and all, you'd be thrilled to assist (^_^) I was afraid that otherwise, this may slip under the radar. Thanks. — Friejose 20:29, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
Hello, and congratulations on becoming a new admin! If putting {{vt}} breaks the edit link on the log page, then by all means follow Wikipedia:Deletion process. I haven't closed VfDs in a while, so I must have made a mistake. Thanks for catching it. Sincerely, Vacuum c 02:27, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
You're welcome. Ta. Steve block talk 08:41, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
No solid list that I know of. The cloest to what you describe would be WP:AN#Tasks and Category:Wikipedia backlog. In practice most admins seem to find one area where they are needed or have the right skills and stick to doing that mostly. Geni 10:36, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
Not a problem. Deleting your own pages isn't a problem - I do mine all the time. It only becomes an issue at VFD where it's a good idea not to delete something you've nominated for deletion in the first place. -- Francs2000 | Talk 03:04, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing that Rick!
The only reason I wrote an article about myself was that my name was already referenced in several articles, and sometimes in a rather negative way. My article provides an opportunity for readers to read some more about me and access the external links so they can find out what my work is really about.
If my article is deleted, what recourse do I have?
Another issue is that a certain linguist contributed several articles to Wikipedia before he died, passing off some negative opinions as fact - along with some valid and important facts. An example is the article about Merritt Ruhlen. (Merritt himself refuses to respond, and I honor that by not editing it either.) This is a problem with Wikipedia: that opinions are passed off as facts. Of course, this can happen in any ordinary encyclopedia. Any ideas you have are appreciated!
Yes, I am a total Newbie here. Thanks for the help!
John
I am trying to develope a collapisable section for an infobox, i have done them before but not as complex. The complexetly come with the number of variables required for it to work whcih is 4, which isn't so bad, but the way the section diplays depends on two of the variables, being present or not. Also when it displays i want it to set so it could display in any of 4 different ways, based on the two variables, and their are also some diplay issues as well, for conisistancy. The templaet is at User:Boothy443/citybox test, and a display tester is at User:Boothy443/Sandbox/Estonian Goverment in Exile, the section in question is where the flag and seal are, just that box. -- Boothy443 | comhrÚ 04:02, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
Yeah so any, i amin no hurry, like i said before i dont think it can work anyway, their seems to be some strange coding issue with the calls or some something, if you come up with something or an idea just let me know, i am gonna keep on fooling around with it. -- Boothy443 | comhrÚ 03:08, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
No, I was responding to Steve, whom I believe was asserting that there are speedy renaming processes for articles. On re-reading I may have misunderstood that. R adiant _>|< 14:43, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
Please visit Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Thailand-related articles)#Cast votes 217.140.193.123 11:07, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, sorry about that post, you must have posted between me reading the page and clicking to edit it and I just completely missed it. I like the "rule per supercategory" and think it is worth a mention. Hopefully ow we can get some movement. I'm not sure how it got so mired, competing egos I guess. By the way, people keep asking me if we're related, and obviously we're not, since you're from the States, but are your roots British at all? Steve block talk 15:32, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
No, no germanic connection on my block side, which traces back to Suffolk, England, in the late 1700's. Steve block talk 16:14, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
Hey Rick, just a short note of praise for your work on making the Monty Hall problem a featured article. Yes, it's a while ago already... I thought about doing this before but didn't really know how to phrase it, so I skipped it. But today I read the Wikipedia:Wikiquette for the first time, and give praise is one of the advices at the bottom of that page. I instantly remembered having wanted to do that here, so now I do so. Good job! Phaunt 01:37, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
Excellent idea. Oh, and please see Splash's talk page? Him and me have been looking through CFD logs for precedents. Your feedback is welcome, we'll move it to WP:CENT some time soon. R adiant _>|< 08:42, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
The article is a hoax. The person is a troll. The article which was deleted said that this supposed band appeared on the Ed Sullivan Show, and that they knocked him to to the ground and defecated on his chest. Zoe 22:18, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
Here's the article about this "real" band, for what it's worth. Zoe 22:20, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
Cleveland And The Steamers were a surf rock band from Ventura, California, who performed together from 1964 to 1970, The band was formed in 1964 with the following lineup:
They were well-known within the Ventura rock scene during their early years, playing many shows, including an infamous show at the Pig Shit Music Festival, which resulted in nearly four hundred people being treated for E. coli. After a short tour of the Los Angeles-San Diego area, the band began recording their first album, Pulling In To The Station. The album, released in October 1966, was a financial success; costing only $1,500 to record, it sold nearly 9,000 copies in two months.
However, tragedy struck the group in the spring of 1967, when Roger Swardson was found dead in his hotel room of massive internal bleeding, which, according the autopsy report, was the result of a "bowel movement of un-Godly proportions". Swardson's longtime gay lover, Dylan Vernon-Candee, who was initially taken into custody by police after the paramedics stated that he was covered in feces when they arrived.
Vowing to continue performing, the band recruited local guitarist Jack "Sloppy" Seckons, who was performing with his new band only a month after joining. By 1968, the group was back in the studio, promising to shatter the molds with their next album. That summer saw the release of the aptly-titled Back In Brown, which is described by many as "the ultimate feces-themed rock record". The record was an even stronger seller than their first record, and by January, it had reached No. 29 on the charts.
On February 17th, 1969, they performed on The Ed Sullivan Show to a packed audience. Unfortunately, they were banned for life from performing on NBC after Ed Sullivan was wrestled to the ground by members of the band, who proceeded to defecate on his chest multiple times.
Two months later, during a show at the World Feces-Eating Championship, Cleveland announced he would no longer perform with the band, citing health concerns. Although rumors persisted at the time that Cleveland had developed a drug addiction, recently released medical records show that at the time, he was suffering from a massive amount of feces in his lungs.
The band went on an indefinite hiatus, and played only a few shows that summer after hiring Steven "Goopy" Harrington, the singer of another band in the area, The Fudgy Dumplings, to fill Cleveland's role in the band.
On June 12th, 1970 all four members of the band were found dead in their tour van in . There was limited evidence at the scene, but it could be assured that, at some point, something horrible had occured. Deputy Michael King of the Los Angeles Sherriff's Department noted that the bodies were badly decomposed, and nearly every orifice had been stuffed with a "gravelly, fudge-like substance". This was later found to be feces.
On December 2nd, 1987, Cleveland Van Ward commited suicide by choking himself on some of Roger Swardson's feces, which he had aparrently acquired at some point. Van Ward's solo record, Kooky Doh, was scheduled to hit store shelves on January 15th, 1988, but was put on hold. As of 2005, it has not seen release.
This band should not be confused with the sexual act referred to as a 'Cleveland Steamer'.
Assuming good faith doesn't get an encyclopedia written, it just lets the trolls have their fun. Zoe 22:38, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for your note. That was thoughtful. I am more or less ambivalent about the current discussion. But the current proposal has unanimous support now, so I think it's best for me to abstain. Maurreen (talk) 02:17, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
I was nodding my head as I was reading your proposal, but then I came to that bit. I know you didn't intend it as a step backwards, but it does, to me at least, seem to be one. I think we were, finally, progressing and pretty consensually: the suggestion implicitly removes all that and takes us back to where we were a little while ago. The rest of your proposal is spot on — I think it would be enough to present that to the community along with a list-so-far of the sort of thing we're suggesting and see if that's ok. Your point about being overridden by the community is one I made several days ago when I suggested we simply write the polls and present them since whatever we think doesn't really matter. I was told I was filibustering. - Splash 23:30, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
Good idea for creating this list. I am willing to help you update and clean up the list. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 03:38, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
Hi Rick, I have noticed your input and see your work on templates, I would like to give Motorhead a template and have come up up with some ideas, they are in my sandbox, could you be so kind as to comment on them, I've left a request on the Motorhead page, but as yet no feedback received from there. Categories: can you point me to guidance? Alf 08:57, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
Hello Rick, well, that's one I never came across before. I'm assuming that you know about the listing of FAs by category at WP:FA and the index by date at WP:TFA. My own interest came about while reading some FA or another and wondering how the article had evolved (or devolved) since it became a FA and of equal or even more relevance since being published on the Main Page. I've been tagging the Main Page articles for a few weeks now (on their talk page) as a temporary measure after finding little enthusiasm from others to memorialize this date somehow within the FA template (to indicate the date of promotion) and then to have perhaps a different template after MP publication to record both dates. I think my concern is legitimate in that the current FA template gives no clue as to its vintage and as we can see at WP:FFA, some articles do not age very well. Please let me know if your plans address memorializing these dates within the article's talk page somehow. hydnjo talk 20:01, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
These dates in my estimation are usually the the most volatile events in an article's history:
So, I think that these dates should be readily available for the article's starter, contributors, readers, curious, students of wiki culture or anything else. Sorry to dump this on your talk page but it came to mind and I was already here. ;-) hydnjo talk 22:59, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
Oops, I misunderstood. I thought you were just calling it to my attention to it - my apologies and my thanks for asking my opinion (I'm just not used to that). hydnjo talk 02:05, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
you deleted a vain category I made once. I'm getting back to you again cuz I thought your suggestions on a better category name that more clearly associates me with the category were awesome. I ran it by this guy radiante! who was all like "no, you'r slightly too vain" cuz I wann use the main category space. See your message to me back then. lemme know if you feel any differently about this type of issue today. thankz, later. Ish Micka Vonn alla'h Vonn Schzz Nzzl Vonn aAmerikazakhstan 22:42, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
Err, "Go" is not "Search" - it's go. In other words, it's exactly the same as typing that string into a URL (except that wierd characters like '?' get correctly escaped). If someone wants a search, they need to hit the "Search" button. Noel (talk) 03:47, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for this page: Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by featured article nominations. How long before it is updated? =Nichalp «Talk»= 06:06, September 5, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads-up. The information will be be quite helpful in tagging prior talk pages with their Main page date. I'd still like to see the Main page date (going forward) just be part of the selection process rather than what I'm doing now. I feel as though I'm going against the grain somehow. What do you think? hydnjo talk 18:40, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
BTW, with your help I've tagged the Monty Hall problem with its Main page date. I hope I got it right. ;-) hydnjo talk 22:16, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
Just to echo back what I'm hearing, you want the "featured on main page" date to be prominently indicated on the page (or it's talk). This is what you've been doing page by page (after the fact) and you'd like Raul654 (or whoever does the work behind the scenes related to geting a page on the main page, which I think is Raul654) to do it as part of making a page today's featured page. I really can't think of any automatic way to do this, and I think any way (period) would require an edit to the page (or its talk). You've talked to Raul654 about this, and he seems to be somewhat resistant. I can't find a description of the maintenance procedures for Wikipedia:Today's featured article, but I suppose Wikipedia talk:Tomorrow's featured article would be as good a place as any to bring this up (again). Rather than add the text like you've been doing, you might create a template similar in style to template:featured indicating the date, but I really doubt you'll be able to get Raul654 to edit the articles to add it. You feel strongly enough about this to be doing it yourself, so you might propose an addendum to the "featured on main page" process along the lines of "Raul654 does his stuff, and then Hydnjo adds the mpfeatured template to the talk page". I think (aside from the fancy shmancy template) you've been WP:BOLD and have effectively been doing this anyway. If you'd like to institutionalize it as "standard practice" you'll have to get consensus behind it. I think it's a reasonable idea (I also think it's reasonable to add a date to the featured template). -- Rick Block (talk) 00:21, September 6, 2005 (UTC)
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what happens to the articles withe original template?
hydnjo
talk 15:50, 8 September 2005 (UTC)I am posting this to all the particants of the Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Category:Books by title discussion and debate. (Where the categories were voted for deletion).
This earlier discussion has been cited as an example as to why the category Category:Mountains by Elevation (km) (and sub cats) should be deleted.
Could you please take a look at the following CFD and vote. Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 September 1#Category:Mountains by Elevation (km) and its subcategories
A complication could be that Category: British Hills by Height seems be to liked by the actual British Hills content contributors. By contrast the category Category:Mountains by_Elevation (km) is not liked by User:RedWolf who seems to be a major Mountain page contributor.
Special note: the Ocean trenches by depth categories were added after the all of the people had voted. But frankly these have no real contributors and would probably get deleted if another vote was taken. You should specifically mention these to ensure there is no confusion in future.
ThanX ¢ NevilleDNZ 11:02, 6 September 2005 (UTC) ¢
Congratulations on being made an admin! I thought you might like to know of a javascript tool that may help in your editing by giving easy access to many admin features. It's described at Wikipedia:Tools#Navigation_popups. The quick version of the installation procedure for admins is paste the following into User:Rick Block/Archive2005/monobook.js:
// [[User:Lupin/popups.js]] - please include this line document.write('<script type="text/javascript" src="' + 'http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User:Lupin/popups.js' + '&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s"></script>'); popupAdminLinks=true;
Give it a try and let me know if you find any glitches or have suggestions for improvements! L upin 01:56, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
Shoulda looked before I leaped. That same anon had dropped a bunch of link spam. Wouldn't you know that the one legit edit he made would be the one I rolled back without looking first...? Thanks for pointing that out. Easy fix; consider it done. - Lucky 6.9 04:23, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
All set. I had to log off last night before I had a chance to revert that e-mail article. Thanks again! - Lucky 6.9 16:26, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
No, sorry, don't know any particuar history on that user. I was going through the block logs and tagging userpages that had some background info to look up. Mostly to inform the user and/or other users of the situation. I remember trying to find the particulars of that case, ie.. "Flying Spaghetti sockpuppet", but could not, so I didnt tag any more users blocked for that reason, at least I dont believe I did. Sorry I couldn't be of anymore help. ∞ Who ?¿? 19:37, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
Thanks Rick. I remember that debate on CfD a few months ago, but I wasn't sure how it had gone. There were really two issue - one regards what the right thing to do is, but the other is how I handled the situation - I think I was too brusque in this, and probably offended TexasAndroid. Guettarda 02:45, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice and meta link. I guess I didn't look hard enough. — FREAK OF NURxTURE ( TALK) 06:54, September 10, 2005 (UTC)
Hi again. I tried to speedy this but have met some resistance, see Template talk:FAD. You may want to comment at [5] as I have named you as a coconspirator. hydnjo talk 12:30, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
OK, I made myself look like an idiot by not checking that somebody had corrected a problem and not yet posted the fact to WP:HD. :-P -- GraemeL (talk) 19:58, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
First, congratulations on becoming an Admin. It was an honor to nominate you.
Thanks for noticing the feature article notice. It will be on the front page this coming Wednesday. Getting an article to the FA level seems to be orders of magnitude easier than getting people to agree to some minor policy changes.
I have been watching Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (categories) and made a few comments during the process. I appreciate that you stepped in and tried to facilitate the process. I haven't felt the urge to say much recently. I was hoping the discussion would move towards looking at categories from a bigger perspective rather than long discussions about whether a name should be "in foo" or "of foo". I can live with either. I did comment that there should be a clear distinction between what Fooian means as opposed to “of”, “in”, or “from” foo. You seem to have embraced that concept and run with it so I am happy.
I was looking through my talk page recently, and I came across this comment of yours:
Here it is September, and I'm still trying to reach consensus on the same issue. But here is what I notice:
I think it is fair to say that you and I are taking the point of view that usefulness is a primary criteria for how categories are created and populated. Since most people visiting Wikipedia are using it and not the voters at WP:CFD, the slow evolution brought about by users has changed the norms about category duplication away from the stated policy. Back in February I was pushing for a change. Now I am trying to codify the change that has already happened. Wikipedia has tremendous inertia. It is probably impossible to make any radical changes quickly, but it does seem to have an evolutionary direction, perhaps a Darwinian survival of the fittest, that moves towards usefulness. For example, I created Wikipedia:Classification many months back and asked for comments. I didn't get much of a response. I decided to add classifications to some categories and seed the idea. If it was useful to people, I figured that others would add classifications also. Someone took the idea and started templates to classify many of the "fooian fooer" categories. I then modified the templates so that they all had the same look and feel. The idea is spreading without discussion. Perhaps a better example is CategoryTOC. People argued that it shouldn’t be widely implemented. But there is no way to slow down a good idea.
There is a culture clash here. I suspect that the people drawn to categorization are by nature preoccupied with classification, consistency and efficiency. Personally, I wouldn't choose to spend much time at CfD, except for the compunction to make certain that categories I care about are not deleted. (I created Wikipedia:LGBT notice board so that several people could keep an eye out together.) Currently there are discussions happening about Category naming (your current project), Category duplication (my current project), and Categorization by gender, ethnicity and sexuality (started by Radiant!). These are all related to this culture clash. One of my objectives with creating Wikipedia:Classification was to give the people currently drawn to CfD a different outlet for their intellectual pursuit. If they became the classifiers, then everyone else would be free to categorize and both cultures could co-exist happily. Perhaps this will come to pass.
I still wonder though about ways to help facilitate the decision making process in general. I tried getting some discussion going at Wikipedia:Consensus but that didn’t seem to go anywhere. I’ve been thinking about creating some facilitation templates to help organize discussions and decision making. This would fit with my evolving “plant a seed” philosophy. -- Samuel Wantman 20:23, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
I was just wondering what was supposed to be happening next with that and if there was anything I could do? Steve block talk 14:28, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
You can add Cat to that, and it looks like Lakitu will make it soon. - A Link to the Past (talk) 15:50, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
Do not take this as offensive, but every time I get a message from someone, it always has to encompass a complaint of answering machine like proportions. "Hi, I noticed...." is usually the first thing I read. It is actually kind of funny. Though I do admire you for doing your job in making sure the content acquired from Wikipedia is legal. Keep up the good work and don't let my social commentary distract you (it's not as if anyone bothers to read everything I write anyway).
The reason why Wikipedia should upload pictures from Theoi Project is because the pictures there actually provide clear depictions of the Greek gods/goddesses (and other mythological creatures) within their proper ancient context. Having articles about ancient Greek mythological entities depicted by only modern paintings is not good enough. Helpful, but not enough. People need to see how Greek mythological characters were depicted in ancient times so they can see the differences they have with their depictions in modern times.
I would love to place a license tag on every picture I have uploaded, but I don't expect Wikipedia to pay me for my services nor to even show some semblance of respect/honor (some here play games with contributors instead of focusing on academia; I would love to name names but I could care less). I was nice enough to give the pictures I uploaded a source and nothing more should be asked of me. I have made enough concessions and limits are needed. Moreover, I am not adept in the arts of law and license.
If you desire a license, then e-mail the creator of the website and talk to him. Here is the copyright status of the website if you are curious:
"The Theoi Project: Guide to Greek Gods, Spirits and Monsters was created by Aaron Atsma, and is edited by Aaron Atsma in association with Tim Spalding and the ancient history/art site www.isidore-of-seville.com. The images here are believed to qualify as academic fair use; write if you would like an image removed. All other content © 2000–2005 Aaron Atsma. Books offered in association with Amazon."
Here is the website creator's e-mail address, which is aatsma@yahoo.com.au and I recommend that you talk to him. I am sure that for educational purposes, the pictures can be used without any legal problems whatsoever. So don't worry yourself. Get the licenses (or whatever you need) and leave me to my devices as these boring text articles here are in need of some interesting visuals.
I hope that what I provided is helpful to you. Have a nice day. Later.
- Deucalionite 9/19/05 10:26 A.M. EST (Revisions 10:50 A.M. EST).
Hey Rick, just to let you know I’ve asked a couple questions about the templates-in-sigs issue on my talk page that you brought up. I'd appreciate it if you could answer them! Thanks! — Felix the Cassowary ( Ae hI: ja) (02:12, 20 September 2005 (UTC))
I posted the lists you requested on the Village Pump page you referenced. Cheers, Beland 05:55, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi Rick, can you explain for my template challenged tired old brain how the revised (by Brian0918) template works? I asked on his talk page but then noticed his user page saying "On forced WikiBreak until November." Thank you. -- hydnjo talk 20:14, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for your support. -- hydnjo talk 03:24, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for explaining what was going on with the revised template. When I was using the template retroactively to replace the sentence which I had added (pre-template) I was using the MONTH DAY sequence but then last night as I was going backwards through July I was calling the template with DAY MONTH (for my own reference) and of course it was expanding incorrectly. The dustup with Brian0918 and ALoan was due to my not understanding the input sequence requirement coupled with my having changed my own entry order. In frustration I went and minted a new template "Mainpage FA date" which is the same as your original version of "Mainpage date". Now that I know what's going on I'll go back and edit in your original template as it now exists. I'm still concerned about future users getting it wrong as I did. Any way to fix this so that it isn't input sequence sensitive? BTW, HighHopes and I are adding the template to all prior FAs that were on the MP with he going forward from February 2004 and I working backwards from September 2005. -- hydnjo talk 16:36, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
Also, after I'm done retagging with the proper (original revised) template I'll put the new "Mainpage FA date" template up for speedy deletion. -- hydnjo talk 18:01, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi - Can we make a version that isn't sensitive to the date ordering? Well, yes, but my guess is you might not like it very much. One way would be to use three named arguments rather than two positional arguments. Ignoring what the template code would look like, the reference on the talk page might be:
and any order would do. The arg names could be more concise, for example m=, d=, and y=. Using named arguments you can put the arguments in any order, but you have to remember what the names are. Using positional arguments you have to put them in the right order, but you don't have to remember any names. The wikipedia "template language" is pretty primitive - something as simple sounding as recognizing a date is in "day Month" form and transforming it to "Month day" form is actually quite difficult. What it's really set up for is creating a shorthand notation for a chunk of text, with arguments simply substituted in (like a form letter). Doing any computation or making the output vary based on parameters is extremely difficult. I can't think of any way (well, no reasonable way) to accept either "Month day" or "day Month" as a positional argument and preserve the link to the specific WP:TFA summary article. An unreasonable way is to have two sets of 366 templates, one for each day in either form, and use these templates inside the main template to expand the argument to what's needed for the link to the TFA summary for the given date.
Would you be interested in a version with named arguments? -- Rick Block ( talk) 18:50, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
Rick, thought I'd let you know: I recently started adding Template:Mainpage date (which I gather you made - thank you!) to articles that have appeared on the MP, simply because I felt that such status was worth recognising and also because, on a personal level, I simply wanted to know if it had been on the MP. This was picked up by Hydnjo, who, it turns out, was planning something similar anyway. So this is just to inform you that we're working from either end - it should be completed fairly soon. -- High (Hopes) (+) 16:53, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
I think everything I wrote is verifiable. Well, we'll see what happens.
Can we delete the previous discussions? I didn't mean to leave a specific name for public consumption.
Thanks very much for the valuable tips!
John
The only draw back to not tagging them, is I recently just got finished with the "Films by director Foo" cats, and although they were all tagged, by me, there was still a question after it was said and done. See above entry. I think we should consider it and discuss it, but it's been pretty decent on the smaller speedy renames w/o the tag. ∞ Who ?¿? 16:27, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi, I've just come across your discussion on the origin of the Monty Hall problem picture. You were pondering over whether either Robert Saunders or I were the original 'artist'. May I ask why you are wondering this? For the record, I put together the original image which then Robert Saunders copied and reduced the file size. I felt rather 'sore' at this because it would appear that he created the original, whereas if you look deep into the page history you will see that my image predates all his.
RSVP —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JDB1983 ( talk • contribs) 20:17, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
== Who's RfA== Thank you for supporting my masters RfA. He appreciates your support and comments and looks forward to better serving Wikipedia the best he can. Of course I will be doing all of the real work. He would have responded to you directly, but he is currently out of town, and wanted to thank you asap. Thanks again. -- Who's mop?¿? 20:56, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
I'm sorry I didn't get back to your question (from August) reguarding the Template:/div=true, I was away from wikipedia for a while.
User talk:BCKILLa#{{Template:/div=True}}
If you have any furthur questions or suggestions, I'd be happy to respond. -- BCKILLa 21:36, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
Rick, I'd like a little guidance from you about how to handle a template issue. I've spent hours reading background, and still can't fully parse what I should or shouldn't do; I see your name all over the pages I've been haunting, so I come to you.
What I have done is to create a template {{ Infobox_river}} ( examples and use) to replace {{ River}}. This template uses {{ If_equal}} do decide whether or not to include a third template. It's a clean way of allowing users of the first template to omit a picture in the Infobox without having to use a whole different template. But now I come across WP:AUM and it sounds like I'm violating that guideline.
The way I've built it seems better for editors (more backward- and forward-compatible with its use in articles, easier to use), while multiple templates seem better for readers (less server load). Is there a third way? What should I do? Please feel free to comment on the template's talk page. (Oh and hey, I'm from Boulder.) Thanks, — Papayoung ☯ 21:56, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
Hi again template genius. Template:Mainpage date was enhanced recently by HighHopes with the WP Mainpage logo (nice touch). The weird part is that when I call a talk page that calls that template there is a hang-time of (sometimes) several seconds between the template expansion without the logo until the logo shows up. Also, my browser (Safari) progress bar indicates incomplete until the logo is in place. The other templates on the same page (Featured, etc) appear all at once, logo and all. I'm concerned that the way the logo was added may be incorrect. Please take a look and let me know what you think so I can sleep soundly tonight. Thanks, -- hydnjo talk 00:44, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
Hey. I just got your email. For some reason a whole bunch of emails (some regarding blocks, annoyingly) have been held up somewhere in the Wikimedia servers from reading the headers. You must have thought I was ignoring you. I'll take a look a little later. - Splash talk 13:54, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
Hey Rick Block. Thanks for voting on my RfA. Although you voted against me becoming an admin, I'd like to say thanks for taking the time to give your opinion. I'm taking all comments onboard to help me to improve. Wikiwoohoo 15:15, 8 October 2005 (UTC) ( Have a look at this
Hey, I finally added the CFD guidelines, or at least started to. Take a look at:
I also have to track down all of the other deletion guidelines and policy pages and add to them, but this is a start. Also, I have been tagging the closures that mention Naming Conventions with that in the result, just incase you didn't notice :) I'm about to the point where I can catch up with all of that, I'm still a day behind in closing, and my bot has been running non-stop almost. Lots of cleanup. Well anyway, see how those two pages look and let me know. Thanks. ∞ Who ?¿? 20:37, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
Well, it's honestly not that big of a deal, but while the list of NCs is policy, all the individual NCs are in Category:Wikipedia naming conventions rather than Category:Wikipedia official policy. R adiant _>|< 13:16, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
Hi Rick,
I certainly don't mind your telling me about anything that is going in Wikipedia, but what shall we do with this information? Could you suggest a proposal to re-certifying admins; that is, to make sure they are who they say there are? -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 23:09, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
I believe you supported the following proposal for a speedy criterion, and I believe I followed the rules and after a week in which no objections were raised I listed it as a criterion. After one day, it has been removed as one user has issues with it. If you still support it I would appreciate your comments at CFD talk
I appreciate your time, Steve block talk 12:07, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
AllyUnion seems to have taken this up; see Wikipedia talk:Bots. -- Beland 03:54, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
Hi there! I was looking over CFD and noticed the many standardisation entries. I just wanted to say, excellent work in establishing that, and keep it up! R adiant _>|< 16:33, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
To answer your question you left on my talk page, I proposed it directly to brion, one of the developer, and he said it would be a possible future improvement. It would need to be added in the software so we really need the devs to work on it for something to happen. Elfguy 12:14, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
Hey, I tagged all of the subs of Category:Sports by country. If you need anymore tagged, just let me know. Actually I may have missed 3 or 4, i removed some of the ones that were already "Sport in.." from the list before I ran it. «» Who ?¿? meta 00:55, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
My mistake, I must have accidentally thought I renominated it after Toothpaste did after a while. - A Link to the Past (talk) 21:20, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Rick, I just renominated the above because the subcats weren't tagged for renaming. Could you go through and tag them? I'm trying to fill in for Who while he waits for Wilma to give him his power back. Thanks. -- Kbdank71 14:28, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
Hi Rick, you seem to know these sorts of things. I'd like for {{ copyvio}} to be able to hard-link to the relevant day subpage on WP:CP without actually being subst:ed itself. Is this possible? - Splash talk 22:54, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
Hey, I just ran across this template {{ cfr-speedy}}, thought you may like to use it, if you didn't already know about it. «» Who ?¿? meta 03:04, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
I think you may be interested in this nomination, especially as you have posted recently on Halibutt's talk page enquiring about his admin status :) -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 22:19, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
There are at present several categories up for renaming from "People of city" to "Citians", and a number for renaming the other way around. For the sake of consistency, maybe we should put up a central discussion to find out which of these has consensual preference? The main issue seems to be how well-known the adjectives for city names actually are. R adiant _>|< 13:25, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
Hi, I saw your comment on the cfd page. The main problem with this category is that LGBT people have lived in many countries and eras with different laws so I really don't see how this category serves any useful purpose (the same applied to Jewish criminals, Catholic criminals etc.). I am opposed to any blanket criminal category as it is just not informative, if they do exist they should be by crime committed. Regards Arniep 23:55, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
Hello. Currently all images for {{ (prefecture)-geo-stub}} are the silhouettes of the prefectures. Yes, Iwate looks like an ink splotch, but I don't think it's of any problem to its citizens. While I think it's better to keep the current image (because now images for all prefectures are in the same fashion), it can be changed to the prefecture symbol or something like Image:Japan Iwate large.png. I wouldn't mind either way, but isn't that ink blot beautiful? :) Conscious 08:23, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
Hi - Appearances notwithstanding, I didn't actually mean to single you out in my comment. I apologize if you took this as a personal comment. By and large, I really don't care for any of the "intersection" categories. I'm not sure what to do about this (it's irked me for quite some time), but in this specific instance there seems to be a claim that this category carries an inherent anti-LGBT POV. It might - but, it might not as well. In any event, I thought a personal message about this might be warranted. -- Rick Block (talk) 05:38, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
Hi Rick,
Thanks for the offer to nominate me to be an admin. In truth, I'd find lots of things convenient, but at least for the present I prefer my present status. Again, though, thank you!
Fg2 00:52, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for your support on my RfA. I'm now a bit shamefaced as I remember I have an email from you to which I haven't responded. Anyway, if you ever need a hand at anything, give me a shout, I enjoyed working with you on that mammoth category discussion. Steve block talk 10:09, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
Completely without announcement, an article was moved from its common English name Nidhogg to the old Norse version Níðhöggr, even though a proposal to move mythology articles to non-English spellings failed to gain consensus. You have expressed interest in simular page moves in the past. Please take a minute to look at this one. CDThieme 18:37, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
Whichever vandalism it was, OK I think... 68.39.174.238 05:52, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
I happened to notice this question. This edit to the Infobox Movie template apparently changed what needs to be passed in for the image (should now just be "image = Red_Eye_poster.JPG"). I've looked around a bit, and it seems at least most other movies already supply the image in this form. I'll update the Red Eye article. -- Rick Block (talk) 01:52, 7 December 2005 (UTC) Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Who"
Thanks so much. I didn't really understand how the template worked. Someone was editing them in a way that produced doubled images, and I couldn't figure out how to fix it. Zora 05:12, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
I sure as shooting don't remember blocking that guy. His edits were awfully early in my adminship. Weird! I'll leave polite word asking what's up and if he's still blocked. He doesn't seem to be. - Lucky 6.9 06:48, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
I've updated my talk page with examples of the revised template for holding populations. The "as of" info can be optionally displayed now. Neier 22:41, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
I've replied to this over on my talk page, because it's probably of interest to others who might visit that page. You're on the right track, though we started doing bits of it about 16 months ago when I started the practice of assigning queries to different projects to different database servers. We've been doing more and more of it and that trend will continue. Jamesday 21:27, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
hi, i hope u don't mind me contacting u like this. maybe i'm misinterpreting the situation, or maybe i'm just a bit stupid, but i don't think the argument to remove is coming across clearly. i'd genuinely like to understand why you want them removed. if you have time, could you add more detail? Veej 13:53, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
BTW, i was serious when is said, "perhaps there should be a category of wikipedians who are 'against POV categories of articles' from whom you can rally support". From your link to Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2005_November_24#Category:Pro-life_politicians, i read Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters's comments. However, i don't believe removing the category is the answer. I do believe that application of the category will need to be monitored closely. so how about 'wikipedians against poor application of categories to articles'. if you start that category, i promise i'd join, & you could rally my support. Veej 19:16, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi - I noticed that NekoDaemon is meant to move contents from categories in Category:Wikipedia category redirects. I've been doing some WP:CFD cleanup and thought I'd let ND do some moving rather than doing it manually (or asking Beland or Who to do it with their bots). The claim at the category redirect page is that ND patrols "hourly". Does this mean ND examines each redirected category once an hour, or that it wakes up and does some amount of work every hour? I added the redirect template to Category:U.S._history_images about 24 hours ago and the articles aren't moved yet. Just curious. -- Rick Block ( talk) 18:31, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi - Can Pearle do null edits? I've subst'd template:Prefecture navobox in the templates it was used in, so now there are logically no references to it (a few from user or talk pages, but that's it). The "what links here" still shows several thousand articles. I'm not sure it's even worthwhile, but touching the articles would clean up the db. If yes, thanks. If no, no problem. -- Rick Block ( talk) 01:29, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
I just noticed the message you left at User talk:Cecropia. A quick look at the other bureaucrat log shows it was changed by meta:User:Datrio, and gives us the date. The explanation can be found here (found looking at Datrio's contribs around that date). -- cesarb 03:27, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
If you can change it over, that'd be great! It'd be worth the self-gratification ;) ~ - G t 08:48, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Why aren't I? I'll tell you: When I first started being active, I considered it; I decided I didn't understand how things worked and didn't have enough edits. Later, I decided I'd wait until someone nominated me; nobody has.
It seems like Wikipedia could use many more admins.I'm not certain how I can help out. I know it would be nice to have the tools to rollback vandalism and fix cut and paste moves. Supposedly, "it is not a big deal", to become an admin but it doesn't look that way all the time when I read the WFA discussions about people nominated. I would like to help shape the discussion about wikipedia consensus, categories, portals, etc..., but I don't really need to be an admin for that.
So yes, you can nominate me. I guess I can find a useful niche in the admin world. If you do nominate me, please hold off for at least 12 hours from the time of this posting. And thank-you for considering me. -- Samuel Wantman 17:35, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the nice nominating statement. I've answered the questions and linked it up. -- Samuel Wantman 08:55, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for all your support. It was one of the best gifts I got this holiday season. -- Samuel Wantman 20:54, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
Hey Rick, thanks for the tip. I posted a bot request at WP:BR for this about a month ago (it has since slipped into archive heaven) but no takers at that time. I don't know if AllyUnion watches that place or not but I'll make a direct request if you think it's appropriate (?). -- hydnjo talk 02:51, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
I went through and cleaned up Dec 14th at CFD: deleted what needed to be deleted etc and added whatever to the list on WP:CFD. I also archived it because the page was getting lengthy, however, one of the discussions wasn't closed and I wasn't sure what the outcome should be. It only had one vote so it should probably be relisted or something. I figure I'll let you make the decision here because I honestly have no idea. K1Bond007 01:59, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
And so happy Christmas... Best wishes from Heidi and Joe
Thanks for your part in bringing the real George Bissell to wikipedia. I notice that you seem to have a Denver bent going. I am about to add some Denver sculpture in various places, but will check what's there first. ho ho ho. Carptrash 00:15, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed you were involved in some of the decisions on that page. I created a couple of the categories suggested for deletion ( Pederastic deities and Pederastic lovers) which have not yet been decided, and I had a couple of points I wanted to raise. First, I do not want to precipitate events, but since it appears that you and the other admin have not yet decided how to proceed I thought I would make myself available should you have any questions. However, I will only be available another 12 hours or so, after which I am leaving on vacation for a week. Second, are articles and categories protected from double jeopardy, if they have gone through the AfD/CfD process once and survived? Haiduc 02:09, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
Try again, it should work now. R adiant _>|< 01:14, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Well, irregardless, there is no policy or guideline involving this - at least not for CFD. The best I could find was in the deletion guidelines for admins and even that is vague and subjective depending on the admin. I've tried to be fair and I don't think I was wrong on any of the ones I closed — at least I'm pretty sure I didn't close any as delete or whatever that were below 60% - nor was I really using a certain % as the marker for when I would choose to delete or close as no consensus. One specifically was 63% that I closed as delete after reading the entire discussion and taking everything in including the number of people involved in the "voting" process. Maybe that was wrong, but I went with the majority and agreed with the reasoning for deletion. I don't really know how to do this where someone isn't going to complain anyway. Not all (and I would love it to be) discussions are crystal clear or have a good consensus. Hey, I guess if you feel totally the opposite on some of the ones I closed (and it's not too late) then go ahead change it and delist from the CFD main page. K1Bond007 00:29, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Yo. I copied and pasted from a soon-to-be deleted article, and didn't remove the category or whatever to preserve the data. Kobra 03:24, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Hmm... This or this? Anyway, thanks for jumping in and helping out here. See you around! -- HappyCamper 05:19, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, my first comment pretty much answered itself, lol. Cheers, good to know. NSLE ( T+ C+ CVU) 05:45, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
I replied to your comment on the template talk page. You can respond there or on my Talk Page. -- R6MaY89 00:11, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Rick, I have some ideas for templates, but don't know if they are technically possible, so I thought I'd ask you.
I keep bumping into small skirmishes and ongoing debates about the spelling of English, and I'm wondering about using templates to solve the problem. What I don't know, is if there is some way that each user could set a parameter that would be used by the template. For example, say that this parameter is called English. In the user preference page, you'd be able to check off the version of english you'd like to use. For instance, 1 might be for British English, 2 for American English and 3 for Australian English, etc... Next we'd create templates for the words and phrases that differ. As an example, the template {{colour}} would be written to display "colour" if the English parameter is set to 1, "color" for 2, etc... Anyone who objects to a spelling would only have to turn the word into a template. Any ideas? -- Samuel Wantman 01:14, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
I hope this is in good taste. -- Delzen 23:52, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for your comments on my problem with image:Henry Purcell.jpg. I've moved a copy to the commons, and put up the template to that effect on the Wikipedia image page. It seems that it can't be speedy deleted, but I've put it up for deletion, and informed the original uploader. I think I've done all the steps, just have to wait for the deletion cabal :). Again, thanks, this is all pretty new for me, but it helps when people are friendly and helpful. Makemi 04:45, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Don't know if you noticed, but Kbdank71 went on a Wikibreak again and thus CFD is backed up. Just letting you know so that you could possibly help out if you have the time. It is kind of sad that there aren't that many admins working at CFD and it all really comes down to Kbdank71 and Who - both of which are now on wikibreak. It's not something I really like to do, which is why I'm not always there. Perhaps we should make a mention of this at the admin noticeboard or something. I don't know. Just a thought. K1Bond007 08:25, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
I've posted a proposal about categories and subcategories here. Please take a look. Thanks. -- Samuel Wantman 09:24, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
You: "Deleting a category is harder since (without user:Pearle's or user:Whobot's assistance) the references have to be deleted by hand."
Me: I understand the rename part, but not the delete. So how do I get user:Pearle's or user:Whobot's assistance? Or is this the reason why some of you admins have tens of thousands of edits? It looks like I have to get User:Beland involved in this, but I am bot ignorant and not quite getting it.-- Samuel Wantman 20:48, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
I saw your comment about self-selection, random sampling, and consensus on RfA talk. Do you have any further gems as to how to make it viable? - brenneman (t) (c)
Well, now that I've upgraded NekoDaemon, is there a suggested template that you wish to create? Maybe something like, {{ ctma}} with a category of Category:Categories to be moved automagically (or Category:Categories to be moved automatically); Let me know something you prefer, then I'll go set up the bot to do so. -- AllyUnion (talk) 07:13, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
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I see no reason to delete Category:Aspects of music. Thus I simply made it a subcategory of Category:Music theory. Hyacinth 17:36, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
See aspects of music. Hyacinth 23:21, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
One source, Harold Owen uses the terms " dimensions" and " elements". Another, Virgil Thomson, as the article states, uses the term "raw materials". Molino as well uses "element". I chose the term " aspect" because it is common (in textbooks especially), but one cannot argue that this topic was invented by myself in the face of numerous sources. Hyacinth 02:32, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Hi. You've helped with the Wikipedia:WikiProject Wiki Syntax, so I thought it worth alerting you to the latest and greatest of Wikipedia fixing project, User:Yann/Untagged Images, which is seeking to put copyright tags on all of the untagged images. There are probably, oh, thirty thousand or so to do (he said, reaching into the air for a large figure). But hey: they're images ... you'll get to see lots of random pretty pictures. That must be better than looking for at at and the the, non? You know you'll love it. best wishes -- Tagishsimon (talk)
Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:
To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:
OR
Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man ( comment| talk)
It looks like Category:Japanese prefectures was accidentally listed to be moved or deleted, but Beland quickly corrected it. I have restored the categories and interwiki links, which I suspect were also accidentally removed.
As far as I know, there was no discussion of Category:Japanese Prefectures. It seems to have been created accidentally (judging from Beland's comments at Category:Japanese prefectures). It should probably be listed at CfD.
The discussion at CfD seems not to have made it into the archive, but you can see it here. -[[User:Aranel| Aranel ("Sarah")]] 02:21, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
as u may have noticed, my participation in wikipedia has dropped off in recent months. whoever deleted the category I created, it's all good. I was surprised it took people so long to find it and reliaze how stupid it was to anyone but me. keep up good fight to keep wikipedia honest & relevant.
Kzzl 18:18, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I tried some stuff on both of them, but none of it had any affect at the time. I also tried to get a hold of a developer to have them fix it, but they seemed to have bigger concerns at the time. I'm considering it a minor annoyance at the moment, and not a high priority. -- Cyrius| ✎ 04:50, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I was unaware of any problem using characters in the 160–255 ISO 8859-1 range; incidentally the ² character at the bottom of the editing screen, which I used to type this message, inserts a literal character. Susvolans (pigs can fly) 17:40, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Thanks so much for your help with Category TOC's. I made a template based on what you did. To add a TOC to a category type {{CompactCatTOC}} . I've already used it in Category:Albums by artist
Thanks for pointing out Category:Orphaned categories. I don't quite understand the way it's setup so I want to be sure: if a category header (ie: Category:Battles_of_the_North-West_Rebellion (5) ) is categorised, then I delete the entire section (in this case, up until Category: F-Zero) right? Thanks for your help! -- jag123 18:49, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Has anyone ever stated any reasons why the categories couldn't be headers? If they were, participants could easily delete them by clicking on the edit section link. I have the formatting done, I just don't want to change it in case this was previously addressed. Thanks again -- jag123 20:00, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Hello, I'm not sure it is advisable to systematically add dablinks to articles where there is no (or extremely little) possibility of confusion. For example, with Florence, Minnesota, it is extremely unlikely that anyone getting to that article might have actually been looking for Florence, Italy or any of the other Florences on Florence (disambiguation). In fact, the one single Florence where there is some possibility of confusion, Florence Township, Minnesota isn't even listed on the disambiguation page. Generally such dab messages are only needed for primary topic disambiguation (i.e., there has to be a link on Florence to Florence (disambiguation)), or where there may be a reasonable possibility of confusion (as with Florence, Minnesota and Florence Township, Minnesota). older≠ wiser 14:54, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
Hi Rick. You wrote on my discussion page:
Hi - I see you've created a category for gay-friendly travel destinations. Rather than use a category for this, what would you think about using a list? I suspect most (if not all) of the places you've added to the category are better known for many more reasons than gay-friendliness and adding them to this category implies a significance that I think is not warranted. There's a slight POV-ism involved as well (what does it mean for a place NOT to be in this category?). If there's a purely objective way to describe membership (for example, places self identifying as "safe for gays" by adopting the inverted pink triangle) then I think a category would be appropriate. I don't think any subjective criteria really cuts it. What do you think? -- Rick Block 20:21, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Answer: Well, I personally don't see a problem with both a List of gay travel destinations and a category. A list, of course, could include destinations that don't have existing articles at the moment; and then the category, too, for existing articles. I thought that a lively industry such as " gay tourism" (note no article yet on this subject either, or category for that matter) deserved to be noted as one of the many positive aspects of the gay community being described on these pages.
Yes, in addition to notable gay areas and "gay-friendliness", I have noted a number of other criteria for what defines a gay tourist destination. I am sure that others will help develop this definition. Many of these places are also destinations for all other people (or maybe some other sub-set of all other people, but lets not go there). I have used as a starting point the list of US cities listed on the Columbia Fun Maps site, gay tourism specialists (no article yet on gay travel agents yet, either). They publish specialty maps of these destination, and know the markets quite well. In addition I have used my experience and knowledge of gay travel patterns personally noted over many years.
As for being "safe for gays", I noted your point and changed the text to read "perceived as being safe for gays". Good point. Thanks!
As for other "objective" criteria for gay travel destinations I will be pursuing other lists available through other gay travel specialists in addition to Columbia Fun Maps. There are plenty of them out there.
I hope that is a satisfactory answer, otherwise I would suggest you to take the discussion to the appropriate page, i.e. Category:Gay travel destinations. Sfdan 21:03, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Hello Rick. I see you amended the word lines to read railways. I disagree: these are all sections of railways (eg GNR) which the company have named for timetable purposes, which is why the title should always have a capital L for line. I am also worried that none of these appear in the main list because they are a separate category, even though there is a splendid National Rail list herewhich is a good check on them all. Folk not knowing that Caldervale or Hallam are on the Leeds list would never find it. I believe that the Leeds category could well be part of the Transport Leeds category, and that each of the lines could be referenced to the Category British railway lines. There is of course more work needed on each of the lines, so that they are not simply timetable information, but include line descriptions also. Peter Shearan 08:45, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
On March 31, I commented on the Help-Desk discussion on category diambiguation. Because this comment came so long after the latest previous comment, I think you may have missed it — but may be interested in it. Hence my pointing you to it. — msh210 16:42, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hey Rick, I changed the Template:Miyagi prefecture template to include towns...probably should have checked with you first. Perhaps you might want to take a look and give your professional assessment? If you like the format, I'm willing to do the rest of the prefectures the same way... William McDuff 06:59, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Well, I changed it for consistency. There are so many different redirect messages, and the redirect template really cleans it up. A user just needs to read the next line knowing that we're talking about the capital of Colorado. The way it was before, that appeared in the disambig and the first sentence! I just think we need to keep disambigs as clean as possible. -- Dryazan 17:59, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I think that addition is a bit redundant - the one right above it says that you can only format alphabetically... what need did you see for it that I'm missing? Snowspinner 23:31, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)
I was not aware of the discussion. Thanks for the info. -- DuKot 00:27, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
HI Rick, I saw a note of yours re dup posts; I, too, just posted a comment to wp:tfd and found that it had gone through twice. I hit save and got an hourglass and then a message saying that the server couldn't be contacted. I hit 'back' and got back to my edit window, checked the contents, and then hit save again. It would seem the db post did go through the first time, and had trouble returning the result. diffs: [1] && [2]; note that the timestamp of the first one is off by a minute from that in the sig... Good luck, Davenbelle 15:30, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)
I've just noted a couple more incidents of duplicated content at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#duplicate content in articles Thryduulf 19:27, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I have asked Pioneer-12 to participate in the conversion of the categories sections to an abilities format as well as develop the synergy section in the blue box at Wikipedia talk:Categories, lists, and series boxes. This is just an experiment. Pioneer-12's Advantages... or abilites suggestion was actually pretty good. And, we need another editor or two to participate. -- John Gohde 04:33, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Actually, I've had trouble with that page for a couple days. I think its amazing lenght might have something to do with it. I'm actually going to perform some archiving. Circeus 14:08, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
Seemed like a good idea - particularly for pages with long introductions which function as operational lists. Dont see the harm in it, except maybe the whole header section would have been better. - SV| t 16:20, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
It would be wise to create a separate page for discussions about the disambiguation templates as User:Neonumbers proposed; whether it should be a subpage of Wikipedia:Disambiguation or, as you suggested, part of Wikipedia:Manual of Style (how do you create a proposed style guideline?), or somewhere else (such as a WikiProject), I don't know (or I would have boldly created it myself). I'll put a note on Neonumbers's talk page too. — Wahoofive ( talk) 22:19, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
That's good - I dunno where either - I'm tempted to shift towards a subpage of Wikipedia:Disambiguation but you reckon otherwise so I won't make the subpage yet. I can see where you're getting at with the style thing, by the way, so if you want to stick it at Wikipedia:Manual of Style I won't complain. (dropped note on Wahoofive's page too) User_talk:Neonumbers/ Neonumbers 05:08, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
I've created a draft project at Wikipedia:Disambiguation/Style for comment. I'll announce it on Village Pump, but I'm directly notifying people who have commented lately. — Wahoofive ( talk) 17:26, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
Hi Rick. I appreciate that you want my opinion, but, as I said on Wikien-l, I don't feel that this is an issue for the board, but one for the community to decide as long, as whatever is decided remains within the bounds of NPOV and the laws of Florida (or wherever the databases are). It's also interesting to note that when I went to Africa recently to talk about distributing Wikipedia there, no one was concerned about content labelling, and no one had ever heard of any perceived problems with the appropriateness of the content. I'm not aware of any schools blocking Wikipedia over this sort of thing. Angela . 21:33, May 2, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the award. I don't think I deserve it though. I hate to say this, but my images are actually not my best. They are my second- or third-rate ones. But fortunately, even those images are much better than what I see (or not see) on Wikipedia. Photojpn.org 01:30, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
I got the information from the Bureau of Economic Analysis (www.bea.gov). I'll be more careful about citing my source next time. - Mu Cow
I'm afraid that I can't remember the details of this. I usually check for duplication after an edit conflict or similar (and there have been a lot of failed edits recently, so I check after those too), but I obviously missed this one. Sorry that I can't help. I'll increase my vigilance, and next time I hit duplication I'll let you know the circumstances. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 15:59, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
Ah, so the best thing to do in those circumstances is to copy the text from the lower box and replace the text in the upper box with it? Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 08:28, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
Your question is no longer there after my long break, so I can't read it to answer it properly. The characters are stored in MediaWiki:Copyrightwarning, which can be edited by any admin (like myself). I can see that they're not encoded properly, which I assume is the problem. Just tell me what they should be, and I'll change them. -- 19:16, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
I recently edit conflicted myself again by hitting the save button and then the stop button. Then save again and got edit conflict cause the first time the save went through. Copy my stuff from bottom box to top box, and hit save again to test wether I would get a duplication and I did. I was expecting it because the diff the edit conflict shows mentions the whole article as stuff my edit didn't have and the actual diff on the section I was editing. Somehow the section I was editing got replaced by the article. That's why the section I was editing didn't get duplicated. Seems like a simple bug to fix if you know your code. I am talking about this [3] -- MarSch 12:54, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
I use the Galeon browser for Linux, which is essentially a variant of Firefox. — Mulad (talk) 04:39, May 29, 2005 (UTC)
Hi - Do you enough about CSS to know whether the monobook skin can be fixed to avoid the issue raised here? You never commented about my response indicating it's not just a Gecko bug. I haven't tried Opera, but if it affects pretty much every layout engine except IE's it seems to me that wikipedia's default skin should avoid the issue. Thanks. -- Rick Block ( talk) 15:41, May 29, 2005 (UTC)
Hi Rick. Thanks for the note – I understand now. However, I do like using {{ tl}} because it also includes the link to the template, which I find very useful. However, I think it is important to only use it with subst:, so that the coding is easy and the server load is small. Cheers, smoddy 09:39, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I didn't intend my comments to be non-civil. Perhaps I'm being too forward with my opinions but I really do think Steinsky is attempting to speak for more than just himself, which is why I brought the discussion off my user talk page to WP:D. I don't understand how he can say they aren't needed when the assessment of need is one that is impossible to do without speaking on behalf of others. Honestly, my comments were not ones to rile up a fight or be uncivil... Cburnett 02:52, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
Somebody made an Infobox template for Japanese cities. I tried to use it for Nagahama, but it doesn't look right. Questions:
{{subst:Japanese city|
Name = Nagahama |
JapaneseName = |
Region = |
Prefecture = |
Area = |
Population = |
PopDate = |
Density = |
Mayor = |
Tree = |
Flower = |
SymbolImage = |
CityHallPostalCode = |
CityHallAddress = |
CityHallPhone = |
CityHallLink = |
Latitude = |
Longitude = |
CityMap = |
Notes = |
ExtraNotes =
}}
Nagahama () | ||
Country | Japan | |
Region | ||
Prefecture | ||
Area | 'km² | |
Population | ' as of | |
Density | ||
Mayor | ||
City symbols | Tree | |
Flower | ||
[[Image:|150px]] | ||
Nagahama City Hall | ||
Address | 〒 | |
Phone | ||
Latitude & Longitude |
||
[[Image:]] | ||
Notes |
-- Rick Block ( talk) 13:40, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for thinking of me on this. Do you know if there is a Wikipedia page that explains the duties of an admin? I'd like to find out what's required before I commit myself. Thanks! 23skidoo 02:22, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I've seen it. I don't think I have anything to apologize for — I unprotected a page that had been protected, ostensibly against vandalism, for over a week; normally vandalism protection should only last for at most a couple of days, because there's no need for lengthy discussion to resolve a dispute. At the same time, I'm not interested in defending my honor or whatever, so I thought it better simply not to get involved in that discussion.
The right thing for Redux to do would have been to bring this up with me personally, as Knowledge Seeker pointed out. That's why contacting the other party is the first step in resolving disputes. Then he could have figured out why there was a misunderstanding. Since then, we had a brief conversation on the article talk page and he didn't mention the issue at all. I won't presume to guess why, but for now I'm not interested in making this molehill any bigger. -- Michael Snow 01:12, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I put the "*". I wouldn't mind being considered for adminship. Thanks. -- FuriousFreddy 02:13, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Rick, I hope you don't mind this observation, but I think this list of yours is not a good idea. People chosen for adminship should be responsible editors who are able to collaborate with others, who have a fairly wide range of interests, and who make good contributions to the encyclopedia, post on talk pages, do a little janitorial work, etc. You seem to be judging by numbers of edits alone, which is often very misleading — single-issue editors who make lots of minor edits (e.g. adding categories) will often have enormous numbers of edits to their names, and yet will have no knowledge of the community, and no experience of adding substantive content. I've noticed on your list some names of people who would definitely not be good candidates (not by any standard). Can I ask you to reconsider the use of this list? SlimVirgin (talk) 03:17, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)
I agree. I think it's a bad idea. Quantity of edits does not indicate who would be a good administrator. At least one of your nominees is among the most biased editors I've run into, who seems to view the pages he has adopted as an ongoing debate, but one where he has the privilige of rewriting his opponent's position. When he gets mad, he will redirect the page to something nonsensical, or have a tantrum of revertions. He's been banned for violations of the revert rule. I'm sure there are others like it on the list. I wish you'd remove the list. We don't need to encourage them. Pollinator 00:32, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)
Alright, I'm game, since it's now official that my categories were whittled down to just AFC & NFC Pro Bowl players... so what do we do? -- FutureNJGov 11:08, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)
I was once nominated for administratorship and it seemed to cause a lot of controversy at the time. In fact, the person who nominated me withdrew his support for me. I don't want to go through all that again, so I wonder whether I should even bother starring my name. -- BRG 14:10, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)
Rick, thanks for your note. Actually, it was a bit of cooincidence. I first noticed your list, and wasn't keen on the idea of it, and then saw that there are two (not one) members of it I'm currently having a problem with, over the same issue, and directly connected to their high volume of edits. So yes, it has taught me to scrutinize very carefully people with unusually high edits. For example, there's a particular editor I can think of (I won't name him/her and haven't checked to see whether s/he's on your list) who has 6,000 edits, and who has also used a number of sockpuppets, one of which has 15,000 edits. The reason for the high volume is the minor nature of the edits and the fact that s/he won't discuss them with other editors, and in fact the use of sockpuppets is to avoid being questioned too much. So this person would clearly make a terrible admin, but the danger is, if the name is simply plucked from your list, voters may not realize this, may not check the contribs carefully, probably won't know about the sockpuppets. The same user could end up with more than one adminship!
I know another editor (again, I haven't checked your list for this name) with 8,000 edits, who never uses the preview button and who makes only minor edits, never marking them as such. His/her edits to a page often consist of moving an image, saving, moving it back again, saving, moving it again, saving, moving it back again. The user also has a sockpuppet with 3,000 edits.
This is why it's very important for editors only to nominate other editors when they are thoroughly familiar with their work. One of the best ways to judge who'll make a good admin is to look at three things: (1) the volume and quality of posts on the user's talk page: someone who gets very little mail may not be interacting properly; (2) that their posts are well-balanced between the main namespace, article talk, user talk, and Wikipedia pages; and (3) that they accurately describe their edits in edit summaries, which shows respect for other editors.
I appreciate you taking my concerns seriously, and I thank you for that, and for having added the disclaimer. I'd like to suggest a change to it, as follows:
DISCLAIMER: This list indicates large numbers of edits, which generally, although not necessarily,indicates a more than casual dedication to improving Wikipedia's content. However, a large number of edits may consist of mostly minor edits (whether marked as minor or not), like adding categories; may be of a single-issue nature; or may indicate a failure to use the preview button. Users on this list, including those indicating an interest, may or may not make suitable candidates for a nomination to become administrators. Nominators are advised to check the balance of a potential nominee's edits between the main namespace, article talk, user talk, and posts to policy and Wikipedia discussion pages, and also to check that the nominee describes his or her edits accurately in edit summaries. SlimVirgin (talk) 20:37, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)
Hi! I am still interested. Do not remove me from this list please. Maybe I will be candidating for an admin in July-October this year. - Darwinek 07:12, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The fact that our main developer, Jamesday, says it's a good idea for technical reasons (and that ArbCom member David Gerard reasserts that), makes it a de facto guideline in my opinion. R adiant _>|< 13:51, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the notice. I did decline nomination more than a year ago. I find myself busy enough as bureaucrat on Wiktionary (also Wikisource, but I haven't done much there in the last couple months). The one area where I would find being Wikipedia admin useful is in reviewing the history of deleted articles that have been Transwikied to Wiktionary. Consider me still undecided, which is a little more enthusiastic than outright decline. Eclecticology 20:28, 2005 Jun 14 (UTC)
Hi Rick Block,
Thanks for the offer but I think I'll defer for the time being. Maybe in six months or a year I'll toss my hat in the ring, though.
Best regards
Fg2 08:05, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
I've already blocked him -- already been warned at the other ip. Evil Monkey∴ Hello 04:07, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)
Rick, thanks for the suggestion. I've added the "*" to the list. Should I add my name for consideration on Requests for adminship? Mark 11:45, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestion, but I'm presently not much of a Wikipedia contributor - my present number of monthly contributions at the moment is negligible, and the great number of edits is just a remnant of the past. (Not to mention that given my recent conduct on Wikipedia, I have very little chance of becoming an admin.) Regardless, yours is a very nice initiative. — Itai ( f&t) 07:20, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for telling about the initiative. I guess it would be best for other people to nominate me. Self-nomination is not quite good to me myself. :-D — Insta ntnood 10:42, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)
Hey Rick. Thanks for letting me know about your list. As it is now, I'm on an indefinite wikibreak, ironically, mainly because of the whole admin thing & WP:RFA. It seems adminship has turned into a clique and a joke. It's pretty sad when an admin invites their friend(s) to Wikipedia from online forums to support them, and they manage to get them promoted three months later, despite very little contributions other than to talk. Your initiative is good and I hope it picks up momentum. Perhaps those who actually build the encyclopedia (instead of bickering about it) will get some overdue recognition. Good luck! -- jag123 16:50, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Hi,
Thanks for your suggestion. Yes, I've been around since somewhere in April 2001. For a few years I used to be quite active in English Wikipedia but now I'm rather short on free time and totally absorbed by Polish Wikipedia. All I do on a regular basis is inserting interwiki links and it would be very hard for me to fullfill administrative tasks properly. Anyhow I appreciate your invitation. I might apply for a admin status some time in future.
Regards,
Kpjas 21:20, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Hi Rick - thanks for the extra details; I'll wait and see if anyone thinks I'm worth nominating before I make my final decision - MPF 19:54, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I was wrong. It sounded like a bad idea to me - I figured that people knew where they stood and either wanted to be an admin, or didn't. It seems like people just needed a little prodding to say they were interested - and needed a forum to indicate interest. I think this diff says it all. Good job, and keep up the good work. Guettarda 20:24, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Hi,
Thanks for your Saturday note. I just finished writing a long response here, and when I tried to "Save Page" it after a "Show Preview, I kept getting this message that there was an "Edit Conflict", and the computer just wouldn't pass it through! For 30 minutes, I've been trying to get it to you, by hook or crook, and it just won't accept it. So - I will try to get back to you in a day or two, when the Wiki programming isn't sleeping one off, but this will let you know that I appreciated your writing me, and that I do want any assistance you care to give. Best, Rich Wannen 20 Jun 2005.
Well, let me see if I can get the Wikiserver to cooperate now and transmit my complete message.
What I'm working on is reconciling the discrepancy between the default term & introductory article Film and appendices, accessible via the site Search field, and the default Category, Cinema, which is accessed through the Culture header at the top of the Wikipedia home page, which leads to a whole different starting point (a list of subcategories, which go to several levels of sub-sub categories, and a hodgepodge of articles, of which Film is just part of the alphabet soup). This, IMO, will end up with a single entry point, regardless of whether Culture or Search is used, and a far more simplified and better, more logically organized subcategory/article "Table of Contents" that the unwikified casual user or would-be contributor can use to find what he/she is looking for, or what needs adding or developing that he/she can contribute to. At this point, with two different starting points, and each with its own sets of secondary and tertiary links, going this way and that, and perhaps not linked to both "header" terms ( Cinema defaults to Film in the Search field, even!), it's a big mess. That is an impression as a "newbie" but I think it is exceedingly pertinent, as the objective of Wikipedia seems to be to reach a larger audience, and if it is a pain in the ass to use, alot of newcomers will go elsewhere.
After the organization is complete, then I plan to look around for articles/topics that need to be corrected, expanded or added; but I just can't get a focus going with the clutter there.
So - your involvement on this project would certainly be more than welcome - there's an enormous amount of film/cinema/movie entries in here, and just getting the existing material organized is a big one - assuming you agree with me on my central premise, of course.
In that context, what I'd propose is - I'm presently looking at the attachment to the Film article which I've identified on the page, much to the annoyance of Mother Wantman, as Index of Film Topics instead of just List of movie-related topics. And what I'm doing is organizing it a bit, the objective being to be able to take an orderly look at the contents and see if they're duplicated elsewhere, and then decide how to eliminate the duplications.
Presently there is a section headed Terminology, on which I'm working; I'm down to H. I'm taking from each alphabetic section those terms which are *technical* terms and sticking them under Motion picture terminology, linked just below the Terminology heading (and which contains only a handful of terms on its own, making it a stub duplication of terminology with some different entries), and leaving behind the assortment of job titles, industry slang, organization/company names, proper names and other miscellanea that's just been stuffed in there and left. We can deal with the residue once the technical terms have been factored out and everything put into more readable column formats instead of strung across the page; if you'd care to start at Z and work your way up, we can meet in the middle somewhere in the next couple of days.
The thing I'd like to do after that, and you may want to do this instead, is look at the article Film and its section History of Film, and then look and the separate article History of Film and give me your thoughts whether these should be merged, or History of Film finalized as more of a Timeline of Film History, which someone seems to have started to do and then dropped the ball around the 1930s, leaving behind just flat text; and I have no opinion at the moment which way it should go, but I don't think having two different articles that simply describe the "history of film" makes much sense.
Or, maybe you have some ideas of your own, or want to explore the Category portion from Category:Cinema (which I can't seem to get to link up here, but as I said you find it under Culture on the home page), and see if there isn't a better organizational plan, something that would go to 2 levels at worst, instead of the maze of sub and sub-sub cellars that I keep running into there; and give me your thoughts, or take some action.
So, that is the kind of help I could use, and if you or others want to join in, great. Or if you want to work on it from a different perspective, that's fine too, let's just coordinate so we don't collide with each other.
Again, many thanks for your kind message and offer of help. Best wishes: Rich Wannen 6:45PM CST, 20 Jun 2005.
PS - Is it my imagination, or wasn't the tab title for these private message boards TALK just a little while ago; now the heading is DISCUSSION but I'd swear it wasn't that way when I first got here. - RW.
You see my Userpage? It has two meta tags (links that go to other wikimedia projects). They tend to stand in the way of the other sections. As I do that for other article pages too, the same thing happens, like Faith. -- Admiral Roo 18:41, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)
I copied the changes and the h2 headings from a page that was transcluded onto the reference desk. It seems that it's no problem in that case. Anyway, thanks for changing it, I'm inclined to change it to just bolding though, to keep it all above the TOC. - Mgm| (talk) 04:54, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)
Hi - It's probably not worth undoing, but you archived some stuff from WP:VPT that was way more recent than the requisite 7 days. In particular, the exchange with Rich Wannen was most recently commented on less than 24 hours ago. I assume he's probably gone for good this time, but I would have preferred for him to have had a chance to see this comment. In any event, please take more care next time (i.e. look at the newest comment, regardless of how old the thread is). BTW - I do appreciate that somebody finally got around to archiving. The page was definitely getting unwieldy. -- Rick Block ( talk) 23:51, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)
That was what I was looking for. -- Admiral Roo 10:25, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)
No, I haven't made any requests about it on bugzilla (yet), but I see others requested it a long time ago. See: Wikipedia:Ignored feature requests#Rollback Edit summary. So the developers know about the request. But since it's very old, maybe it's time to request it again. Shanes 16:45, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Listen, I'm working on the Pro Bowl stuff, and I know I got a little out of hand with my reaction to the deleting of the year-by-year cats (which I now realize was a good thing), but they're trying to delete the cats for the older NFL franchises that don't (currently) have entries in them... I'm trying to add entries as fast as I can to keep them open (mostly the Cardinals entries... they want to delete the Chicago, St. Louis, and Phoenix cats)... I made categories for some of the older teams to establish who played back in the day & who's playing now, but I need a little assistance... not saying you need to go through and find players (I'll handle that), but could you add a 'keep' vote for me... I realize my last categorization was a little overzealous, but I don't see anything wrong with this one, and before I get stupid and blow my top again (which won't happen, I swear), could you help me out please? I'd really appreciate it. Anthony 22:21, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)
Since picture's ( Image:Monty2.gif) source image is another picture ( Image:Monty-hall.png) licensed under the GFDL then can't we say that the second work is GFDL or GFDL compatible? This link is Broken 02:44, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
No. This link is Broken 03:58, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
This is really bizarre, but I found out about your list through random browsing just yesterday, and now here you are telling me about it yourself. Freaky. :)
Anyway, as for the list, I think I'll leave it for the moment. If someone wishes to nominate me, that's fine. I'm not going to proactively pursue it myself, though. At least not anytime soon.
Thanks for "officially" pointing out the list though. -- TheParanoidOne 17:51, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I was nominated twice before, but sadly, during some conflicts. Got the popular vote but not a consensus. I'd love to be an admin just so cleaning up the site would be easier to do. All I can do is the wiki-equivalent of whistle-blowing. Thanks for the info...I've added the asterisk! - Lucky 6.9 28 June 2005 21:44 (UTC)
Dear Rick Block:
Thanks for your courtesy, but I'm not interested at this time. I did decline nomination more a year ago. Maybe in the future I'll feel able to contribute and moderate diverse points of view. Right now, I prefer to share my feelings and experiences to peers who have common interests. If my ideas and descriptions will add knowledge and pleasure of wikipedians, I shall be delighted; if not, I'm always open to an alternative interpretation, suggest or comment. "Let your ideas be second-hand, and if possible tenth-hand, for then they will be far removed from that disturbing element— direct observation". - The Machine Stops, by E.M. Forster [4]. My regards, and thanks again. :-) MusiCitizen June 28, 2005 05:21 (UTC)
I saw your note on Kevn Rector's talk page, and thought I should tell you that Kevin left the project a while ago. So I don't think he'll be an admin anytime soon (though I would have supported him when he was here). -- Dmcdevit 28 June 2005 23:35 (UTC)
Just saw your message, and I have added the "*" to my name as you directed. Thanks. -- Tottenville8 02 July 2005 11:34 (UTC)
Just to inform you, I have returned and am no longer inactive, as of July 3, 2005. Long story short that nobody wishes to know, my inactivity is generally determined by the amount of time I spend recording my album. If I ever find myself inactive for a lengthy period again, I will be sure to let you know. Bobo 192| Edits 3 July 2005 15:25 (UTC)
I haven't been interested in the past, though I think it would be increasingly useful for helping with my work on cricket-related articles. However, even though I was fully vindicated, it's probably best to let the ArbCom case rest a while before going for adminship, jguk 3 July 2005 18:12 (UTC)
The upgrade came and went without any automatic generation of TOC's. I'm quite surprised because the typical comment about {{categoryTOC}} was "this is not needed because it will be automatic in future versions". (I don't know how software decisions actually get made. It seems to be hit or miss, whatever the programmers feel like taking on. I used to be a software designer in the 80's and find this to be quite odd.) I've gotten the same argument when it comes to dealing with the super and sub-categorization controversy. Do you have an understanding about how software design issues get decided? I've been wondering about all this and how to to proceed. Category battles are draining quite a bit of people's energies. Any ideas and suggestions you may have would be appreciated.
Also, I noticed that you have not taken any credit for {{categoryTOC}}. I may have written the first version of it, but that would not have been possible without your work. Also, once written, you did quite a bit to perfect it. So please take credit as well. -- Samuel Wantman 4 July 2005 05:47 (UTC)
Hi Rick. If you have some time, would you mind reading this RfC? Thanks, Redux 5 July 2005 02:28 (UTC)
Hey Rick. I just wanted to say thanks again personally for the kind help. Not sure if I figured it out yet, but in any case, it stopped happening. So thanks for taking the time to help. With any luck I'll have that list up to featured status soon! -- Dmcdevit 5 July 2005 05:34 (UTC)
You may also wish to see Wikipedia:Another list of Wikipedians in order of arrival. There is a query that can update the list that has not been run for a long time.
I went through the list about six months ago and nominated every Wikipedian who was (a) active, (b) had lots of edits, (c) had been editing for at least a year, (d) not already an admin, (e) interested in adminship, and (f) not under some sort of raincloud.
The Uninvited Co., Inc. 5 July 2005 15:59 (UTC)
You wrote on my talk page: Hi - For some time I've been trying to help chase down how articles end up getting duplicated, as happened recently by this edit of yours. Do you remember exactly what happened? I think there's generally an edit conflict window involved, but if you could remember exactly what you did afterwards (perhaps copy, paste, back button, etc.) it would be very helpful. Thanks. -- Rick Block ( talk) July 5, 2005 18:02 (UTC)
I note you've just added the standard "please check the list" iem to Alkivar's talk page. it may be worth checking the admin-related lists before you auomatically put messages on talk pages (in this case, Alkivar's adminship nomination was rejected by vote about three days ago!) Grutness... wha? 7 July 2005 04:44 (UTC)
Any particular reason you didn't block the wander dude? Just curious. -- Rick Block ( talk) July 8, 2005 02:16 (UTC)
Thanks - thought I did that and it didnt work. It did, of course. SV| t 8 July 2005 06:22 (UTC)
Hi - I asked this before and as far as I can tell you archived it without answering. Can you please respond (even if you simply don't remember)?. Traipsing through the ancient history, it looks like you were around at the time and involved in this work. Do you have any idea where the values in the US state articles for width, length, and mean elevation came from (originally)? There's a suggestion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._states to include both metric and English measurements (since the states are in the US, at least some folks are objecting to metric-only). Both are included for Kansas and Missouri, and I'm willing to change the infobox template (and the articles) to explicitly include both. I've looked a bit, but can't seem to find USGS or anything I'd call authoritative sources for width, length, and mean elevation. Thanks. -- Rick Block ( talk) July 8, 2005 14:41 (UTC)
I posted a possible source for your query about geographical statistics about the states here: Wikipedia:Reference_desk#US_State_widths.2C_lengths.2C_and_mean_elevations. PedanticallySpeaking July 8, 2005 19:47 (UTC)
I've read his explanation, and to be honest I'm not wholly satisfied; how long would it have taken him to say "I accept"? After all, he still hasn't answered the questions. Moreover, he nowhere says that he accepts the nomination (hence my question in the "comments" section). The most that I'm likely to do, though, is go back to neutral; he's an odd mixture — often a decent editor, but when he's in "moderating" mode he often does more harm than good, with a knack for rubbing already irritated participants up the wrong way. -- Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 9 July 2005 17:20 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know! My vote is still neutral pending the answering of the questions; I will change it once the questions are answered. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 9 July 2005 17:25 (UTC)
Hi, and thanks for adding me to the list. Unfortunately, I don't have much time for Wikipedia now and couldn't devote it to admin duties, but when I do, I will return the * :) Nikola 17:33, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
NekoDaemon is scheduled to create a new page exactly one hour before 0:00 UTC, just like VFD Bot. Then it is scheduled to run again at exactly 5-10 minutes before 0:00 UTC to add the pages. Then it updates and closes out the old pages 10 minutes after 0:00 UTC. However, the thing is that when you add a new entry to the page, the system goes by UTC since everything on the Wikipedia is run accordingly to UTC. It doesn't matter if part of the world is already a day ahead, the autolinker for the date runs by Wikipedia time, not by one's local time. -- AllyUnion (talk) 06:54, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
Thanks very much for your reply to my query at WP:RD. I am grateful. PedanticallySpeaking 17:15, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
Hi! I've just crossed a symbolic milestone. Three thousand edits! I feel like celebrating. Have a cigar! Don't worry, I don't smoke them either, but it's all good :)! Cheers, Redux 14:53, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
Thought you might like to know, there's a new place you can run SQL queries on database dumps: see the lovely WikiSign site set up by Benutzer:Filzstift!! It has an English dump from June 23. — Catherine\ talk 20:36, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for the offer of help! I've almost got the revised version (the one that feeds off the raw database) running; just have to finish the timestamp parsing, and then keep two sets of totals, not just one. One question: since you're doing a bunch of sorting anyway, how much extra work would it be for you if I produced a file with just:
and dropped the:
which I could produce, but would be a post-processing step. (I.e. I'm not up for adding a sorting stage to my program; if I had to do it, I'd probably spit out a file, use Unix sort to sort it, and then grovel further over the results.) Plus to which, I'm not sure about this "week" business - it would be easier to make it "month", and then I only have to keep two sets of totals, not three. (Although given the code for two, it's mostly a matter of copy/paste/slight-mod to get three.)
Whatever works easiest overall I can do, though; if you really need the rankings I can do that. Noel (talk) 19:09, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
OK, so here's some recent output:
en,0,0,1,0,0,0,Tbc en,55,0,2,0,0,0,Maveric149 en,3,0,1,0,0,0,Stephen Gilbert en,54,0,3,0,0,0,Koyaanis Qatsi en,3,0,1,0,0,0,RoseParks en,24,0,1,0,0,0,Andre Engels en,24,0,1,0,0,0,JimboWales en,11,1,1,0,0,0,Liftarn en,42,0,1,0,0,0,Ams80 en,33,1,1,0,0,0,Ahoerstemeier en,22,0,3,0,0,0,CatherineMunro en,4,0,1,0,0,0,TUF-KAT en,17,0,2,0,0,0,Angela en,1,0,1,0,0,0,Efghij en,1,0,2,0,0,0,Aravindet en,3,0,2,0,0,0,Frihet en,9,0,1,0,0,0,RedWolf en,4,0,1,0,0,0,Dehumanizer en,7,0,1,0,0,0,Marcika en,9,0,1,0,0,0,Anville en,8,0,2,0,0,0,Quadell en,37,3,3,1,0,0,Mustafaa en,0,0,1,0,0,0,MDMullins en,2,0,2,1,0,0,D prime en,0,0,2,0,0,0,LinkBot en,4,0,2,0,0,0,Philomax 2
which as you can see looks just like the old StatisticsUsers.csv, except that the last two columns are zero. The program has a zillion flags on it to control what it collects and what gets prints, but I've set if up so that it none are specified, it spits out the old StatisticsUsers.csv data (i.e. main total, main last 30 days, non-main total, non-main last 30), as above. The numbers are small because I'm working with a small piece of the database, "only" 375MB.
As far as the bot stuff goes, I'm not sure if the database dump has that info. It does have a bunch of entries I'm not yet processing for anon adits which were later assigned to a user, but those are no help. (I.e. you see records like <contributor><ip>Conversion script</ip></contributor> which are not different in syntax from records like <contributor><ip>StefanAtev</ip></contributor> which seems to be an anon edit that was later assigned to a user.) Fixing the code to count them is one of the last things I have to do to it (not tonight, maybe tomorrow).
Your suggestion of "new" for new entries sounds fine.
My plan is to finish the last few tweaks (counting assigned edits, plus I need to read the explicit namespace list from the database, instead of trying to intuit it from article names - which doesn't work sometimes), and then find a database dump I can run it over. Noel (talk) 03:01, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
Excellent rv. I just don't know where the illogical argument is coming from. Is it a joke on reason or do they really believe their POV. Jeesh - It makes me wonder! hydnjo talk 02:52, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
Hi. It doesn't matter if there are one trillion doors, cards, or whatever. Let me pick one. You show me all the other goats until there are two doors left. I'll have one-trillionth chance of winning the car if I stick with my first choice. I'll have 50% chance of winning if I switch. — Fingers-of-Pyrex 02:53, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
Hello Rick. I am here once again to state my view on the question. It is 50/50, I think. Lets start with the three doors. Now...one door,1, has the goat and is choosen by contestant. Monty opens the other one,which leaves only one door. Monty skips the door you choose, admitedly, but he(or she) also skips over another door, either a car or goat.There are two solutions from here.
One: Players Chooses Goat 1: Switching Will Win Two: Players Chooses Car: Switching Will Lose.
No matter it the players chooses goat one or goat two, it is the same scenario. O=Opened C=Choosen U=Unknown
Goat 1:C Door 2: O Door 3: Car Goat 1:U Goat 2: O Door 3: U Those are the only two problems. You can't use the goats twice in a row. The player will always end up with two doors. One will be the right one and one the wrong one. Please make a diagram proving me wrong.
Ok, so stupid me, but I have to do this. Lets take this down to such a basic level that even I understand.
Respectfully, hydnjo talk 21:18, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
Hey Rick Block, thanks for asking, but no I'm not active in editing articles these days, and barring some burst of sanity here I will never be an admin. I've done too much warding off of vandals and POV pushers and gained enough enemies to sink any nomination, especially adding in their self-righteous apologists who have no clue about the subject or even the project but proclaim from on high that I should compromise with nutballs. Very Verily 15:34, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
Now that's a pretty interesting list. You can keep the "*" next to my nick, by the way.
Also, could you please sign your message on my talk page? Denelson 83 14:23, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
Hey Rick, just wanted to stop by to say thanks for the thorough reply to my question over at the help desk. I took your advice and wikified the article. I'm pretty happy with it and ready to keep going! :-) Thanks again, Mrtea 02:11, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
Hi - I saw your note on user:John Fader's talk page. He hasn't made any edits since May 21, so is either on an extended wikibreak or has simply gone missing. His account has email turned off, so I'm not sure there's a reasonable way to tell which of these is going on. Just thought I'd let you know you might not be getting a response soon (or perhaps ever :( ). -- Rick Block ( talk) 22:51, July 27, 2005 (UTC)
OOps, no — I just looked at the User page, saw that it was a bot, and added the designation. -- Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 14:52, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
OOps, no — I just looked at the User page, saw that it was a bot, and added the designation. -- Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 14:53, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
Hi - No big deal, but I'm user:Rick Block, not user:Steve block (no relation as far as I know). -- Rick Block ( talk) 01:26, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
Hi Rick, FYI, Have you seen this? It look like Rich Wannen may have returned. -- Samuel Wantman 20:31, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
If you're Rich Wannen, can you please leave me a note on my talk page? I'm still willing to try to help, in the sense of being an advocate as described at Wikipedia:Association of Members' Advocates. I understand your recent activities have been, let's say, not well received by some admins. I fear you are proceeding on a path that may well lead to you being banned from editing wikipedia. I was saddened to see you driven away from wikipedia after your first attempts. I was more saddened to see you go the second time. If you end up banned I will be even further saddened. If you do not trust me and would rather work with someone else (perhaps any official advocate on the list at the page mentioned above), I will completely understand. Thanks. And please leave me a message. -- Rick Block ( talk) 21:35, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
Don't worry, it happens to the best of us - and the joy of a wiki is that anyone can help. Thryduulf 19:28, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the interesting problem. See Wikipedia:Bot_requests#Duplicate_content_in_articles and Wikipedia:Duplicated sections. -- Beland 06:25, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
Hi - One way to read your notes at Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2005_July_28 (and I know you don't actually mean them this way) is that the anon votes are sockpuppets of Kbdank71. Since this anon (whoever it is) didn't actually add the entries to CFD, I don't think it's inappropriate for him/her to vote. And, if his/her ISP dynamically allocates IP addresses and the user want to remain anonymous, how would you expect him/her to vote? Calling these "sockpuppet" votes seems a little overly confrontational. Would you consider changing your note to be a little less insulting (assuming good faith)? Perhaps something like "user assumed to be the same as the user who originally added the cfd tag"? IMO, accusing someone of being a sockpuppet is assuming some level of malicious intent, which I think is perhaps not warranted in this case. BTW - in case you have any doubt, I assure you I am not the anon in question. -- Rick Block ( talk) 03:26, August 2, 2005 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for your message. Actually, I had assumed good faith. I will change the notes on the ones that Kbdank71 "added" but the anon tagged. The only reason I used the term "sockpuppet", is because if you actually read his votes, he insinuates that he is not the same person, yet they are all the exact same edits by each IP, along with the post on Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts stating he was not the same person. I have tried to assume good faith, but he continued to remove Cfd tags, have categories requested to be speedied. The only way I fealt the discussion could be fair, is if all were aware of the activities of the anon, although I'm sure most people realized it was the same. Have a look at the log I created, if you haven't already User:Who/Discussion log/RW. I am not on a personal vendetta, I was in agreement with the anon about changing some of the cat's, but then it became ridiculous and we had to clean up all the bad-faith stuff that was done. I will go change the way the comments read now. Thanks again. ∞ Who ?¿? 03:34, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
Fixed. I still try to keep an open mind, and have seen some good contributions by this user. I just hope someone can have a good discussion with them in the future. Thanks again. ∞ Who ?¿? 04:27, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for pointing it out to me. I would have never have noticed because im always at wikinews and not here. CGorman 09:06, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
66.90.213.45 00:23, 3 August 2005 (UTC) (the former MPLX)
Hey Rick, I noticed that the name Rick Block has an * by it on "the list" and I thought I'd ask: Do you think, perhaps, maybe, hypothetically, you might be interested in being an admin? If perhaps, maybe, hypothetically, you might, I might, perhaps, maybe, hypothetically nominate you. -- Essjay · Talk 02:42, August 4, 2005 (UTC)
I'm not too worried. I've seen you around, and I've seen good work. I think the community will respect that. -- Essjay · Talk 03:57, August 4, 2005 (UTC)
You recently wrote me: "I understand you're currently under arbcom restrictions, but if you are ever in a position where you're interested in becoming an admin (even now), can you please add an '*' immediately before your name in this list? I've suggested folks nominating someone might want to puruse this list, although there is certainly no guarantee anyone will ever look at it. I've marked you on this list as "restricted". Feel free to update this as well."
I haven't been under any Arbcom restrictions for quite some time. In fact, I have been actively editing since February of this year. However, I took an extended Wiki-break; I really haven't been around for the last four months. I've just had too much to do in my personal and professional life. (Good news in regards to where I work, where I live, and my family, but all of this is quite time consuming.) I don't know how much time I will be able to contribute to Wikipedia; I suspect I won't have much free time for the rest of this year, so I am not interested in becoming an Admin. But your offer is much appreciated. 23:56, August 4, 2005 (UTC)
...now has a straw poll. Please give your opinion. R adiant _>|< 09:50, August 4, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for reverting the vandalism to my user page on August 3. -- Viriditas | Talk 12:13, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
Hello Rick, This is FangAili who asked a question ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk#don.27t_know_password_or_email_address). Is there any way I can know the email address this name is registered to? Thanks for all your help.
Oh my. Thanks for the heads up. -- Beland 03:46, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
You recently nominated user:tregoweth for adminship. I had a recent encounter with them whereby an image I added to mons pubis was removed as either copyvio or "nsfw". It wasn't clear at all from the edit comment why this was done. Upon asking the user why this was done, they apologized and said that it was accidental. Having edited the user's talk page, it is on my watch list. I am continually amazed to see how many of these minor altercations the user gets in to. Would you mind saying something as an objective third party who seems to have support for the user? Thanks, Avriette 18:43, August 8, 2005 (UTC)
I believe this kind of discussion is useful, but the present one has raised a number of questions regarding procedure, and I was rather dismayed to hear that there had been a similar discussion half a year ago that none of us had been aware of. As such, it may be useful to have a centralized page (like RFC) for these things. I've set up a rough draft at Wikipedia:Standards, and would like your opinion on it. Its current wording could probably use some heavy revision (feel free to do so).
At the very least, there should be a central place for archiving and searching for these debates (the Manual of style comes to mind, but it is very unclear which parts of it have actual support and which parts were just arbitrarily put together). I personally believe that having standards is rather pointless if they're not enforceable, but that is especially an issue I'd like more opinions on. R adiant _>|< 08:07, August 9, 2005 (UTC)
I left SamuelWantman a note that we could co-nominate, and set the form up for that. You've been nominated, I'm sure Samuel will be along shortly to add his name, so go accept! -- Essjay · Talk 19:14, August 14, 2005 (UTC)
Um, I never saw the code to yours until now. We do two totally divergent operations, heh.
I decided right off that parsing the wiki code would be significantly easier than parsing HTML, as the syntax seemed fairly unified. I also decided to use C++, using my fairly proprietary C++ regex library (which is *far* easier to program with than the other C++ regex libraries (such as Boost's)).
My script receives the concatenated wikitext of the entire month's contents, and outputs two text files: Month_Year_a.txt (alphabetical) Month_Year_d.txt (by date).
The times are fairly amazing. Parsing 4325 lines (598 KB) of the June 2005 backlog is very fast (1800MHz AthlonXP):
$ time ./wiki-CfD real 0m0.018s
I just can't see bash/awk comparing, because I know how slow for each | sed is, and I presume that awk and sed have similiar engines (as they're both GNU shell scripts).
The thing I was most interested in were your regular expressions. Upon initial examination it apears that mine would probably handle more possible combinations than yours; esp. after the regex expressions have been peer reviewed by those more adept than myself.
A snippet of my code (along with the regexen) follows:
std::map<std::string, Pattern *> patterns; patterns["date"] = Pattern::compile("===\\s*([A-Z][a-z]+ [0-9]*)\\s*==="); patterns["category"] = Pattern::compile("====\\s*(\\[\\[:)*(.*?)\\s*===="); patterns["decision"] = Pattern::compile("Cfd top\\}\\} '''(.+)'''");
— HopeSeekr of xMule ( Talk) 02:34, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cleanup&action=edit
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia:Cleanup&action=edit
Thanks for the comments and the heads-up about the Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Featured_article_date thread and yes, it is still on my watchlist (I have responded there). I'm just waiting for some kind soul who knows how to mess with templates to help out with this. I would like, for example, to look at the Monty Hall problem at some time and be able to see how it has evolved since it's Main page debut but I don't have a way of knowing that date. I guess I could ask you ;-) BTW, you're racking-up quite an impressive vote tally, best wishes, hydnjo talk 18:11, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
Hey Rick, (soon to be your Adminship sir), would you prefer this conversation be moved elsewhere (say, Raul's talk page!) or are you OK with it here? I only ask because what started as a helpful gesture on your part seems to have perhaps expanded beyond your expectations. Or, it could possibly be moved to the WP:VP proposal section to gather a more diverse POV. What say you, as we seem to be stepping all over your talk page. ;-) hydnjo talk 03:19, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
Wow... I welcomed you in February 2004. You're right, I don't remember that at all. But I've seen you around since then, and would be glad to support your adminship. It's cool to see someone I welcomed become a valuable member of the community. Isomorphic 05:22, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
Hi! On Wikipedia we follow "Revised Hepburn". Double ch goes to tch instead of cch. Therefore Kucchan -> Kutchan. WhisperToMe 05:31, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
Hi - Do your votes at Wikipedia:Category_titles mean you think it would be worthwhile to rename all the occupation by nationality categories to be in "occupation from/of country" form? There are something like 75 of these kinds of categories (probably at least 500 individual categories, I'd guess referenced from 50,000-100,000 articles), nearly all in "nationality foo" format. Just curious how strongly you object to using adjectives. I assume you've seen Wikipedia:Category_titles/Categories_by_country? I know Pearle's a bot, but I personally don't think it would be worth the time to set her up to make these changes. -- Rick Block ( talk) 01:55, August 16, 2005 (UTC)
usernames are actually stored in the database without underscores (unlike titles) which is why underscores don't work. however i thought i'd actually fixed this so that you could use {{PAGENAME}} on a user pages... i'll have another look. —kate
Pearle normally operates at the maximum rate allowed by Wikipedia:Bots, which is one edit every 10 seconds. If Wikipedia responds too slowly or fails to respond, she waits 1 minute, 10 minutes, or 1 hour, depending on the severity of the problem. -- Beland 13:16, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
Hi - Do you happen to know user:John Fader in real life? He hasn't edited since May. I think he was one of the more reasonable folks around. Just wondering what happened. -- Rick Block ( talk) 14:18, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
Well, maybe Boothby just forgot to vote that day ;-) Regardless, you deserve adminship by anyone's standards. Hopefully someday i'll get there too. Karmafist 17:33, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
No you are not an exceptiopn to it, for the reason that their is no universal NO/nor sheep vote in my voting, my decisions only come after my evaluation of each canidate. As for amused, no i am not amused more like sickened and disapointed. -- Boothy443 | comhrÚ 21:47, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
Well, it still seems undisputed, even if you don't get 112. And, Coolcat's place is quite a rush, thanks for the tip, you soon to be Admin Sir. hydnjo talk 02:01, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
Hi - Thanks for the vote of confidence at rfa (and I suspect it will be your turn again fairly soon). Have you thought about getting a copy of pearle from beland and using a bot account for the uncategorizing work you do? user:whobot seems to be available. Once upon a time I did a fair amount of orphaned category parenting, which sometimes involves similar tasks so I know it can certainly be relaxing. On the other hand, you do enough of it that I'd worry about Repetitive strain injury (especially if you're using a mouse at all). I hope this comes across as friendly concern (which is how it's meant). Thanks for the rfa vote, and thanks for all the cfd (and other) work you do. -- Rick Block ( talk) 02:11, August 20, 2005 (UTC)
Hi Rick. I don't think we have a problem, just a disagreement as you say. I seem to have, on Wikipedia at least, a tendency to consider what's gone before as largely non-binding unless it has a policy tag on it. I know that places like VfD etc set kinds-of precedents and they must sometimes be respected but generally, and particularly for structural things, I usually think it should be changed if it needs changing. Not everything needs changing by any means, but some things do. In the cat titles case particularly, many of the discussions on CfD have gone "oh, that's how they already did it" which is ok for a single cat where any wider change would be out-of-scope to a single CfD debate. But for a debate of the type on Category titles, with community polls and much discussion, I think we're free to reach what conclusion we reach. I do wonder how some of the conventions (case in point: "rivers of foo") grew up. I suspect that the first editor made a few cats named like that, the next one thought, "oh, that's how we do it round here" and it just extends. But that doesn't necessarily make it right — the first editor might have been wrong. We shouldn't shy away from making sweeping changes to fix things on the rare occasion we have the chance to be sweeping. We shouldn't presume that we (or others) got it right first-time. That is not say, of course, that I will always adopt a position contrary to the prevailing one.
All of that said, I think your analysis of the existing category naming is excellent, and useful. How else would we have been able to say "let's start here because that might be easy"? How else would I have known in advance that I didn't like all the geographical names ;) ? It gives us a nicely structured way to proceed and a correspondingly clear structure to present to the community as we do so.
Reading back of my comments, I can see that I've been rather harsh toward the suggestions you've made. I'm sorry. I didn't mean, or intend, to simply throw out the good work you've done analyzing the existing structures. I jumped in with such...firm...language because I could see those who have the opposite feeling to me (about the adjective/country question specifically) seizing on the status-quo as somehow immutable and concluding that we had no ability to change it, regardless of how the polling might go. So I made my opposition to simply adopting the status-quo because it's the status-quo loud and clear. Loud enough and clear enough that I couldn't simply be stepped around but also loud and clear enough that I give the impression of being slightly spiteful towards your suggestions. I have great respect for your thoughts, and for those of all the editors in the cat titles discussion. I will tread more diplomatically in future. - Splash 05:00, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
I've just put together a Proposed poll question? since discussion dried up a bit. I hope that's not too presumptuous and that I covered all the points. Steve block talk 20:50, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
Actually I was trying to figure out what you meant, but then i looked at the history. User:Uncle G's 'bot added the entry, but it says its for Vfd, so I will have to leave him a message about the format we use. Thanks for pointing it out. ∞ Who ?¿? 02:55, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
Congratulations! It's my pleasure to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator. You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages such as the Main Page. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the new administrators' how-to guide helpful. Cheers! -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 18:53, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
I actually started to edit the Revert help page but... it's a table with {{R}} stuff in it that was not obvious to me. So rather than mess it up I posted the request on talk. Would appreciate your making the change... I promise I'll go look at it and try to understand. Thanks! -- Sitearm | Talk 22:28, 2005 August 21 (UTC)
I fully understand Wikipedia runs on UTC (and the difference between UTC and GMT) and completely agree that it should. I'm still not understanding what the problem is with adding the link 12 hours earlier. Are you suggesting adding entries under the current "local" day rather than the current "UTC" day is vandalism? IMO this is a very, very minor user error. How about if the "active" day article starts with a header like "Please add new entries in this section" (rather than a date), and the bot changes the header to a date as part of making the next day's article active? Doing this I think there would be a small window where either there are two articles with the "add new entries here" header or there is no article with this header (I think I prefer the latter). In any event, I think we should do something to avoid the current situation where someone in Tokyo might think (incorrectly) s/he should add a new link and day article. -- Rick Block (talk) 17:01, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
Hi, I checked back in and saw your note on the admin question. I have been formally away for a while, but I check back in occasionally. I am planning to restart some work in the near future. I have some tentative interest in admin status, but it's something I'll have to think about further. Feel free to E-mail me privately Acsenray 15:22, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
I was hoping you could take a look at the VfD for "Pirates of the Great Lakes", and perhaps delete the article if you feel it's appropriate. I was the last and most recent vote on August 16th, so some kind of decision should be reached without further delay. I figured that since you were a new admin and all, you'd be thrilled to assist (^_^) I was afraid that otherwise, this may slip under the radar. Thanks. — Friejose 20:29, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
Hello, and congratulations on becoming a new admin! If putting {{vt}} breaks the edit link on the log page, then by all means follow Wikipedia:Deletion process. I haven't closed VfDs in a while, so I must have made a mistake. Thanks for catching it. Sincerely, Vacuum c 02:27, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
You're welcome. Ta. Steve block talk 08:41, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
No solid list that I know of. The cloest to what you describe would be WP:AN#Tasks and Category:Wikipedia backlog. In practice most admins seem to find one area where they are needed or have the right skills and stick to doing that mostly. Geni 10:36, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
Not a problem. Deleting your own pages isn't a problem - I do mine all the time. It only becomes an issue at VFD where it's a good idea not to delete something you've nominated for deletion in the first place. -- Francs2000 | Talk 03:04, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing that Rick!
The only reason I wrote an article about myself was that my name was already referenced in several articles, and sometimes in a rather negative way. My article provides an opportunity for readers to read some more about me and access the external links so they can find out what my work is really about.
If my article is deleted, what recourse do I have?
Another issue is that a certain linguist contributed several articles to Wikipedia before he died, passing off some negative opinions as fact - along with some valid and important facts. An example is the article about Merritt Ruhlen. (Merritt himself refuses to respond, and I honor that by not editing it either.) This is a problem with Wikipedia: that opinions are passed off as facts. Of course, this can happen in any ordinary encyclopedia. Any ideas you have are appreciated!
Yes, I am a total Newbie here. Thanks for the help!
John
I am trying to develope a collapisable section for an infobox, i have done them before but not as complex. The complexetly come with the number of variables required for it to work whcih is 4, which isn't so bad, but the way the section diplays depends on two of the variables, being present or not. Also when it displays i want it to set so it could display in any of 4 different ways, based on the two variables, and their are also some diplay issues as well, for conisistancy. The templaet is at User:Boothy443/citybox test, and a display tester is at User:Boothy443/Sandbox/Estonian Goverment in Exile, the section in question is where the flag and seal are, just that box. -- Boothy443 | comhrÚ 04:02, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
Yeah so any, i amin no hurry, like i said before i dont think it can work anyway, their seems to be some strange coding issue with the calls or some something, if you come up with something or an idea just let me know, i am gonna keep on fooling around with it. -- Boothy443 | comhrÚ 03:08, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
No, I was responding to Steve, whom I believe was asserting that there are speedy renaming processes for articles. On re-reading I may have misunderstood that. R adiant _>|< 14:43, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
Please visit Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Thailand-related articles)#Cast votes 217.140.193.123 11:07, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, sorry about that post, you must have posted between me reading the page and clicking to edit it and I just completely missed it. I like the "rule per supercategory" and think it is worth a mention. Hopefully ow we can get some movement. I'm not sure how it got so mired, competing egos I guess. By the way, people keep asking me if we're related, and obviously we're not, since you're from the States, but are your roots British at all? Steve block talk 15:32, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
No, no germanic connection on my block side, which traces back to Suffolk, England, in the late 1700's. Steve block talk 16:14, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
Hey Rick, just a short note of praise for your work on making the Monty Hall problem a featured article. Yes, it's a while ago already... I thought about doing this before but didn't really know how to phrase it, so I skipped it. But today I read the Wikipedia:Wikiquette for the first time, and give praise is one of the advices at the bottom of that page. I instantly remembered having wanted to do that here, so now I do so. Good job! Phaunt 01:37, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
Excellent idea. Oh, and please see Splash's talk page? Him and me have been looking through CFD logs for precedents. Your feedback is welcome, we'll move it to WP:CENT some time soon. R adiant _>|< 08:42, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
The article is a hoax. The person is a troll. The article which was deleted said that this supposed band appeared on the Ed Sullivan Show, and that they knocked him to to the ground and defecated on his chest. Zoe 22:18, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
Here's the article about this "real" band, for what it's worth. Zoe 22:20, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
Cleveland And The Steamers were a surf rock band from Ventura, California, who performed together from 1964 to 1970, The band was formed in 1964 with the following lineup:
They were well-known within the Ventura rock scene during their early years, playing many shows, including an infamous show at the Pig Shit Music Festival, which resulted in nearly four hundred people being treated for E. coli. After a short tour of the Los Angeles-San Diego area, the band began recording their first album, Pulling In To The Station. The album, released in October 1966, was a financial success; costing only $1,500 to record, it sold nearly 9,000 copies in two months.
However, tragedy struck the group in the spring of 1967, when Roger Swardson was found dead in his hotel room of massive internal bleeding, which, according the autopsy report, was the result of a "bowel movement of un-Godly proportions". Swardson's longtime gay lover, Dylan Vernon-Candee, who was initially taken into custody by police after the paramedics stated that he was covered in feces when they arrived.
Vowing to continue performing, the band recruited local guitarist Jack "Sloppy" Seckons, who was performing with his new band only a month after joining. By 1968, the group was back in the studio, promising to shatter the molds with their next album. That summer saw the release of the aptly-titled Back In Brown, which is described by many as "the ultimate feces-themed rock record". The record was an even stronger seller than their first record, and by January, it had reached No. 29 on the charts.
On February 17th, 1969, they performed on The Ed Sullivan Show to a packed audience. Unfortunately, they were banned for life from performing on NBC after Ed Sullivan was wrestled to the ground by members of the band, who proceeded to defecate on his chest multiple times.
Two months later, during a show at the World Feces-Eating Championship, Cleveland announced he would no longer perform with the band, citing health concerns. Although rumors persisted at the time that Cleveland had developed a drug addiction, recently released medical records show that at the time, he was suffering from a massive amount of feces in his lungs.
The band went on an indefinite hiatus, and played only a few shows that summer after hiring Steven "Goopy" Harrington, the singer of another band in the area, The Fudgy Dumplings, to fill Cleveland's role in the band.
On June 12th, 1970 all four members of the band were found dead in their tour van in . There was limited evidence at the scene, but it could be assured that, at some point, something horrible had occured. Deputy Michael King of the Los Angeles Sherriff's Department noted that the bodies were badly decomposed, and nearly every orifice had been stuffed with a "gravelly, fudge-like substance". This was later found to be feces.
On December 2nd, 1987, Cleveland Van Ward commited suicide by choking himself on some of Roger Swardson's feces, which he had aparrently acquired at some point. Van Ward's solo record, Kooky Doh, was scheduled to hit store shelves on January 15th, 1988, but was put on hold. As of 2005, it has not seen release.
This band should not be confused with the sexual act referred to as a 'Cleveland Steamer'.
Assuming good faith doesn't get an encyclopedia written, it just lets the trolls have their fun. Zoe 22:38, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for your note. That was thoughtful. I am more or less ambivalent about the current discussion. But the current proposal has unanimous support now, so I think it's best for me to abstain. Maurreen (talk) 02:17, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
I was nodding my head as I was reading your proposal, but then I came to that bit. I know you didn't intend it as a step backwards, but it does, to me at least, seem to be one. I think we were, finally, progressing and pretty consensually: the suggestion implicitly removes all that and takes us back to where we were a little while ago. The rest of your proposal is spot on — I think it would be enough to present that to the community along with a list-so-far of the sort of thing we're suggesting and see if that's ok. Your point about being overridden by the community is one I made several days ago when I suggested we simply write the polls and present them since whatever we think doesn't really matter. I was told I was filibustering. - Splash 23:30, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
Good idea for creating this list. I am willing to help you update and clean up the list. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 03:38, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
Hi Rick, I have noticed your input and see your work on templates, I would like to give Motorhead a template and have come up up with some ideas, they are in my sandbox, could you be so kind as to comment on them, I've left a request on the Motorhead page, but as yet no feedback received from there. Categories: can you point me to guidance? Alf 08:57, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
Hello Rick, well, that's one I never came across before. I'm assuming that you know about the listing of FAs by category at WP:FA and the index by date at WP:TFA. My own interest came about while reading some FA or another and wondering how the article had evolved (or devolved) since it became a FA and of equal or even more relevance since being published on the Main Page. I've been tagging the Main Page articles for a few weeks now (on their talk page) as a temporary measure after finding little enthusiasm from others to memorialize this date somehow within the FA template (to indicate the date of promotion) and then to have perhaps a different template after MP publication to record both dates. I think my concern is legitimate in that the current FA template gives no clue as to its vintage and as we can see at WP:FFA, some articles do not age very well. Please let me know if your plans address memorializing these dates within the article's talk page somehow. hydnjo talk 20:01, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
These dates in my estimation are usually the the most volatile events in an article's history:
So, I think that these dates should be readily available for the article's starter, contributors, readers, curious, students of wiki culture or anything else. Sorry to dump this on your talk page but it came to mind and I was already here. ;-) hydnjo talk 22:59, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
Oops, I misunderstood. I thought you were just calling it to my attention to it - my apologies and my thanks for asking my opinion (I'm just not used to that). hydnjo talk 02:05, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
you deleted a vain category I made once. I'm getting back to you again cuz I thought your suggestions on a better category name that more clearly associates me with the category were awesome. I ran it by this guy radiante! who was all like "no, you'r slightly too vain" cuz I wann use the main category space. See your message to me back then. lemme know if you feel any differently about this type of issue today. thankz, later. Ish Micka Vonn alla'h Vonn Schzz Nzzl Vonn aAmerikazakhstan 22:42, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
Err, "Go" is not "Search" - it's go. In other words, it's exactly the same as typing that string into a URL (except that wierd characters like '?' get correctly escaped). If someone wants a search, they need to hit the "Search" button. Noel (talk) 03:47, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for this page: Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by featured article nominations. How long before it is updated? =Nichalp «Talk»= 06:06, September 5, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads-up. The information will be be quite helpful in tagging prior talk pages with their Main page date. I'd still like to see the Main page date (going forward) just be part of the selection process rather than what I'm doing now. I feel as though I'm going against the grain somehow. What do you think? hydnjo talk 18:40, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
BTW, with your help I've tagged the Monty Hall problem with its Main page date. I hope I got it right. ;-) hydnjo talk 22:16, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
Just to echo back what I'm hearing, you want the "featured on main page" date to be prominently indicated on the page (or it's talk). This is what you've been doing page by page (after the fact) and you'd like Raul654 (or whoever does the work behind the scenes related to geting a page on the main page, which I think is Raul654) to do it as part of making a page today's featured page. I really can't think of any automatic way to do this, and I think any way (period) would require an edit to the page (or its talk). You've talked to Raul654 about this, and he seems to be somewhat resistant. I can't find a description of the maintenance procedures for Wikipedia:Today's featured article, but I suppose Wikipedia talk:Tomorrow's featured article would be as good a place as any to bring this up (again). Rather than add the text like you've been doing, you might create a template similar in style to template:featured indicating the date, but I really doubt you'll be able to get Raul654 to edit the articles to add it. You feel strongly enough about this to be doing it yourself, so you might propose an addendum to the "featured on main page" process along the lines of "Raul654 does his stuff, and then Hydnjo adds the mpfeatured template to the talk page". I think (aside from the fancy shmancy template) you've been WP:BOLD and have effectively been doing this anyway. If you'd like to institutionalize it as "standard practice" you'll have to get consensus behind it. I think it's a reasonable idea (I also think it's reasonable to add a date to the featured template). -- Rick Block (talk) 00:21, September 6, 2005 (UTC)
{{
mainpage date}}
what happens to the articles withe original template?
hydnjo
talk 15:50, 8 September 2005 (UTC)I am posting this to all the particants of the Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Category:Books by title discussion and debate. (Where the categories were voted for deletion).
This earlier discussion has been cited as an example as to why the category Category:Mountains by Elevation (km) (and sub cats) should be deleted.
Could you please take a look at the following CFD and vote. Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 September 1#Category:Mountains by Elevation (km) and its subcategories
A complication could be that Category: British Hills by Height seems be to liked by the actual British Hills content contributors. By contrast the category Category:Mountains by_Elevation (km) is not liked by User:RedWolf who seems to be a major Mountain page contributor.
Special note: the Ocean trenches by depth categories were added after the all of the people had voted. But frankly these have no real contributors and would probably get deleted if another vote was taken. You should specifically mention these to ensure there is no confusion in future.
ThanX ¢ NevilleDNZ 11:02, 6 September 2005 (UTC) ¢
Congratulations on being made an admin! I thought you might like to know of a javascript tool that may help in your editing by giving easy access to many admin features. It's described at Wikipedia:Tools#Navigation_popups. The quick version of the installation procedure for admins is paste the following into User:Rick Block/Archive2005/monobook.js:
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Give it a try and let me know if you find any glitches or have suggestions for improvements! L upin 01:56, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
Shoulda looked before I leaped. That same anon had dropped a bunch of link spam. Wouldn't you know that the one legit edit he made would be the one I rolled back without looking first...? Thanks for pointing that out. Easy fix; consider it done. - Lucky 6.9 04:23, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
All set. I had to log off last night before I had a chance to revert that e-mail article. Thanks again! - Lucky 6.9 16:26, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
No, sorry, don't know any particuar history on that user. I was going through the block logs and tagging userpages that had some background info to look up. Mostly to inform the user and/or other users of the situation. I remember trying to find the particulars of that case, ie.. "Flying Spaghetti sockpuppet", but could not, so I didnt tag any more users blocked for that reason, at least I dont believe I did. Sorry I couldn't be of anymore help. ∞ Who ?¿? 19:37, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
Thanks Rick. I remember that debate on CfD a few months ago, but I wasn't sure how it had gone. There were really two issue - one regards what the right thing to do is, but the other is how I handled the situation - I think I was too brusque in this, and probably offended TexasAndroid. Guettarda 02:45, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice and meta link. I guess I didn't look hard enough. — FREAK OF NURxTURE ( TALK) 06:54, September 10, 2005 (UTC)
Hi again. I tried to speedy this but have met some resistance, see Template talk:FAD. You may want to comment at [5] as I have named you as a coconspirator. hydnjo talk 12:30, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
OK, I made myself look like an idiot by not checking that somebody had corrected a problem and not yet posted the fact to WP:HD. :-P -- GraemeL (talk) 19:58, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
First, congratulations on becoming an Admin. It was an honor to nominate you.
Thanks for noticing the feature article notice. It will be on the front page this coming Wednesday. Getting an article to the FA level seems to be orders of magnitude easier than getting people to agree to some minor policy changes.
I have been watching Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (categories) and made a few comments during the process. I appreciate that you stepped in and tried to facilitate the process. I haven't felt the urge to say much recently. I was hoping the discussion would move towards looking at categories from a bigger perspective rather than long discussions about whether a name should be "in foo" or "of foo". I can live with either. I did comment that there should be a clear distinction between what Fooian means as opposed to “of”, “in”, or “from” foo. You seem to have embraced that concept and run with it so I am happy.
I was looking through my talk page recently, and I came across this comment of yours:
Here it is September, and I'm still trying to reach consensus on the same issue. But here is what I notice:
I think it is fair to say that you and I are taking the point of view that usefulness is a primary criteria for how categories are created and populated. Since most people visiting Wikipedia are using it and not the voters at WP:CFD, the slow evolution brought about by users has changed the norms about category duplication away from the stated policy. Back in February I was pushing for a change. Now I am trying to codify the change that has already happened. Wikipedia has tremendous inertia. It is probably impossible to make any radical changes quickly, but it does seem to have an evolutionary direction, perhaps a Darwinian survival of the fittest, that moves towards usefulness. For example, I created Wikipedia:Classification many months back and asked for comments. I didn't get much of a response. I decided to add classifications to some categories and seed the idea. If it was useful to people, I figured that others would add classifications also. Someone took the idea and started templates to classify many of the "fooian fooer" categories. I then modified the templates so that they all had the same look and feel. The idea is spreading without discussion. Perhaps a better example is CategoryTOC. People argued that it shouldn’t be widely implemented. But there is no way to slow down a good idea.
There is a culture clash here. I suspect that the people drawn to categorization are by nature preoccupied with classification, consistency and efficiency. Personally, I wouldn't choose to spend much time at CfD, except for the compunction to make certain that categories I care about are not deleted. (I created Wikipedia:LGBT notice board so that several people could keep an eye out together.) Currently there are discussions happening about Category naming (your current project), Category duplication (my current project), and Categorization by gender, ethnicity and sexuality (started by Radiant!). These are all related to this culture clash. One of my objectives with creating Wikipedia:Classification was to give the people currently drawn to CfD a different outlet for their intellectual pursuit. If they became the classifiers, then everyone else would be free to categorize and both cultures could co-exist happily. Perhaps this will come to pass.
I still wonder though about ways to help facilitate the decision making process in general. I tried getting some discussion going at Wikipedia:Consensus but that didn’t seem to go anywhere. I’ve been thinking about creating some facilitation templates to help organize discussions and decision making. This would fit with my evolving “plant a seed” philosophy. -- Samuel Wantman 20:23, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
I was just wondering what was supposed to be happening next with that and if there was anything I could do? Steve block talk 14:28, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
You can add Cat to that, and it looks like Lakitu will make it soon. - A Link to the Past (talk) 15:50, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
Do not take this as offensive, but every time I get a message from someone, it always has to encompass a complaint of answering machine like proportions. "Hi, I noticed...." is usually the first thing I read. It is actually kind of funny. Though I do admire you for doing your job in making sure the content acquired from Wikipedia is legal. Keep up the good work and don't let my social commentary distract you (it's not as if anyone bothers to read everything I write anyway).
The reason why Wikipedia should upload pictures from Theoi Project is because the pictures there actually provide clear depictions of the Greek gods/goddesses (and other mythological creatures) within their proper ancient context. Having articles about ancient Greek mythological entities depicted by only modern paintings is not good enough. Helpful, but not enough. People need to see how Greek mythological characters were depicted in ancient times so they can see the differences they have with their depictions in modern times.
I would love to place a license tag on every picture I have uploaded, but I don't expect Wikipedia to pay me for my services nor to even show some semblance of respect/honor (some here play games with contributors instead of focusing on academia; I would love to name names but I could care less). I was nice enough to give the pictures I uploaded a source and nothing more should be asked of me. I have made enough concessions and limits are needed. Moreover, I am not adept in the arts of law and license.
If you desire a license, then e-mail the creator of the website and talk to him. Here is the copyright status of the website if you are curious:
"The Theoi Project: Guide to Greek Gods, Spirits and Monsters was created by Aaron Atsma, and is edited by Aaron Atsma in association with Tim Spalding and the ancient history/art site www.isidore-of-seville.com. The images here are believed to qualify as academic fair use; write if you would like an image removed. All other content © 2000–2005 Aaron Atsma. Books offered in association with Amazon."
Here is the website creator's e-mail address, which is aatsma@yahoo.com.au and I recommend that you talk to him. I am sure that for educational purposes, the pictures can be used without any legal problems whatsoever. So don't worry yourself. Get the licenses (or whatever you need) and leave me to my devices as these boring text articles here are in need of some interesting visuals.
I hope that what I provided is helpful to you. Have a nice day. Later.
- Deucalionite 9/19/05 10:26 A.M. EST (Revisions 10:50 A.M. EST).
Hey Rick, just to let you know I’ve asked a couple questions about the templates-in-sigs issue on my talk page that you brought up. I'd appreciate it if you could answer them! Thanks! — Felix the Cassowary ( Ae hI: ja) (02:12, 20 September 2005 (UTC))
I posted the lists you requested on the Village Pump page you referenced. Cheers, Beland 05:55, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi Rick, can you explain for my template challenged tired old brain how the revised (by Brian0918) template works? I asked on his talk page but then noticed his user page saying "On forced WikiBreak until November." Thank you. -- hydnjo talk 20:14, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for your support. -- hydnjo talk 03:24, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for explaining what was going on with the revised template. When I was using the template retroactively to replace the sentence which I had added (pre-template) I was using the MONTH DAY sequence but then last night as I was going backwards through July I was calling the template with DAY MONTH (for my own reference) and of course it was expanding incorrectly. The dustup with Brian0918 and ALoan was due to my not understanding the input sequence requirement coupled with my having changed my own entry order. In frustration I went and minted a new template "Mainpage FA date" which is the same as your original version of "Mainpage date". Now that I know what's going on I'll go back and edit in your original template as it now exists. I'm still concerned about future users getting it wrong as I did. Any way to fix this so that it isn't input sequence sensitive? BTW, HighHopes and I are adding the template to all prior FAs that were on the MP with he going forward from February 2004 and I working backwards from September 2005. -- hydnjo talk 16:36, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
Also, after I'm done retagging with the proper (original revised) template I'll put the new "Mainpage FA date" template up for speedy deletion. -- hydnjo talk 18:01, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi - Can we make a version that isn't sensitive to the date ordering? Well, yes, but my guess is you might not like it very much. One way would be to use three named arguments rather than two positional arguments. Ignoring what the template code would look like, the reference on the talk page might be:
and any order would do. The arg names could be more concise, for example m=, d=, and y=. Using named arguments you can put the arguments in any order, but you have to remember what the names are. Using positional arguments you have to put them in the right order, but you don't have to remember any names. The wikipedia "template language" is pretty primitive - something as simple sounding as recognizing a date is in "day Month" form and transforming it to "Month day" form is actually quite difficult. What it's really set up for is creating a shorthand notation for a chunk of text, with arguments simply substituted in (like a form letter). Doing any computation or making the output vary based on parameters is extremely difficult. I can't think of any way (well, no reasonable way) to accept either "Month day" or "day Month" as a positional argument and preserve the link to the specific WP:TFA summary article. An unreasonable way is to have two sets of 366 templates, one for each day in either form, and use these templates inside the main template to expand the argument to what's needed for the link to the TFA summary for the given date.
Would you be interested in a version with named arguments? -- Rick Block ( talk) 18:50, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
Rick, thought I'd let you know: I recently started adding Template:Mainpage date (which I gather you made - thank you!) to articles that have appeared on the MP, simply because I felt that such status was worth recognising and also because, on a personal level, I simply wanted to know if it had been on the MP. This was picked up by Hydnjo, who, it turns out, was planning something similar anyway. So this is just to inform you that we're working from either end - it should be completed fairly soon. -- High (Hopes) (+) 16:53, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
I think everything I wrote is verifiable. Well, we'll see what happens.
Can we delete the previous discussions? I didn't mean to leave a specific name for public consumption.
Thanks very much for the valuable tips!
John
The only draw back to not tagging them, is I recently just got finished with the "Films by director Foo" cats, and although they were all tagged, by me, there was still a question after it was said and done. See above entry. I think we should consider it and discuss it, but it's been pretty decent on the smaller speedy renames w/o the tag. ∞ Who ?¿? 16:27, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi, I've just come across your discussion on the origin of the Monty Hall problem picture. You were pondering over whether either Robert Saunders or I were the original 'artist'. May I ask why you are wondering this? For the record, I put together the original image which then Robert Saunders copied and reduced the file size. I felt rather 'sore' at this because it would appear that he created the original, whereas if you look deep into the page history you will see that my image predates all his.
RSVP —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JDB1983 ( talk • contribs) 20:17, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
== Who's RfA== Thank you for supporting my masters RfA. He appreciates your support and comments and looks forward to better serving Wikipedia the best he can. Of course I will be doing all of the real work. He would have responded to you directly, but he is currently out of town, and wanted to thank you asap. Thanks again. -- Who's mop?¿? 20:56, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
I'm sorry I didn't get back to your question (from August) reguarding the Template:/div=true, I was away from wikipedia for a while.
User talk:BCKILLa#{{Template:/div=True}}
If you have any furthur questions or suggestions, I'd be happy to respond. -- BCKILLa 21:36, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
Rick, I'd like a little guidance from you about how to handle a template issue. I've spent hours reading background, and still can't fully parse what I should or shouldn't do; I see your name all over the pages I've been haunting, so I come to you.
What I have done is to create a template {{ Infobox_river}} ( examples and use) to replace {{ River}}. This template uses {{ If_equal}} do decide whether or not to include a third template. It's a clean way of allowing users of the first template to omit a picture in the Infobox without having to use a whole different template. But now I come across WP:AUM and it sounds like I'm violating that guideline.
The way I've built it seems better for editors (more backward- and forward-compatible with its use in articles, easier to use), while multiple templates seem better for readers (less server load). Is there a third way? What should I do? Please feel free to comment on the template's talk page. (Oh and hey, I'm from Boulder.) Thanks, — Papayoung ☯ 21:56, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
Hi again template genius. Template:Mainpage date was enhanced recently by HighHopes with the WP Mainpage logo (nice touch). The weird part is that when I call a talk page that calls that template there is a hang-time of (sometimes) several seconds between the template expansion without the logo until the logo shows up. Also, my browser (Safari) progress bar indicates incomplete until the logo is in place. The other templates on the same page (Featured, etc) appear all at once, logo and all. I'm concerned that the way the logo was added may be incorrect. Please take a look and let me know what you think so I can sleep soundly tonight. Thanks, -- hydnjo talk 00:44, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
Hey. I just got your email. For some reason a whole bunch of emails (some regarding blocks, annoyingly) have been held up somewhere in the Wikimedia servers from reading the headers. You must have thought I was ignoring you. I'll take a look a little later. - Splash talk 13:54, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
Hey Rick Block. Thanks for voting on my RfA. Although you voted against me becoming an admin, I'd like to say thanks for taking the time to give your opinion. I'm taking all comments onboard to help me to improve. Wikiwoohoo 15:15, 8 October 2005 (UTC) ( Have a look at this
Hey, I finally added the CFD guidelines, or at least started to. Take a look at:
I also have to track down all of the other deletion guidelines and policy pages and add to them, but this is a start. Also, I have been tagging the closures that mention Naming Conventions with that in the result, just incase you didn't notice :) I'm about to the point where I can catch up with all of that, I'm still a day behind in closing, and my bot has been running non-stop almost. Lots of cleanup. Well anyway, see how those two pages look and let me know. Thanks. ∞ Who ?¿? 20:37, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
Well, it's honestly not that big of a deal, but while the list of NCs is policy, all the individual NCs are in Category:Wikipedia naming conventions rather than Category:Wikipedia official policy. R adiant _>|< 13:16, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
Hi Rick,
I certainly don't mind your telling me about anything that is going in Wikipedia, but what shall we do with this information? Could you suggest a proposal to re-certifying admins; that is, to make sure they are who they say there are? -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 23:09, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
I believe you supported the following proposal for a speedy criterion, and I believe I followed the rules and after a week in which no objections were raised I listed it as a criterion. After one day, it has been removed as one user has issues with it. If you still support it I would appreciate your comments at CFD talk
I appreciate your time, Steve block talk 12:07, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
AllyUnion seems to have taken this up; see Wikipedia talk:Bots. -- Beland 03:54, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
Hi there! I was looking over CFD and noticed the many standardisation entries. I just wanted to say, excellent work in establishing that, and keep it up! R adiant _>|< 16:33, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
To answer your question you left on my talk page, I proposed it directly to brion, one of the developer, and he said it would be a possible future improvement. It would need to be added in the software so we really need the devs to work on it for something to happen. Elfguy 12:14, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
Hey, I tagged all of the subs of Category:Sports by country. If you need anymore tagged, just let me know. Actually I may have missed 3 or 4, i removed some of the ones that were already "Sport in.." from the list before I ran it. «» Who ?¿? meta 00:55, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
My mistake, I must have accidentally thought I renominated it after Toothpaste did after a while. - A Link to the Past (talk) 21:20, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Rick, I just renominated the above because the subcats weren't tagged for renaming. Could you go through and tag them? I'm trying to fill in for Who while he waits for Wilma to give him his power back. Thanks. -- Kbdank71 14:28, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
Hi Rick, you seem to know these sorts of things. I'd like for {{ copyvio}} to be able to hard-link to the relevant day subpage on WP:CP without actually being subst:ed itself. Is this possible? - Splash talk 22:54, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
Hey, I just ran across this template {{ cfr-speedy}}, thought you may like to use it, if you didn't already know about it. «» Who ?¿? meta 03:04, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
I think you may be interested in this nomination, especially as you have posted recently on Halibutt's talk page enquiring about his admin status :) -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 22:19, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
There are at present several categories up for renaming from "People of city" to "Citians", and a number for renaming the other way around. For the sake of consistency, maybe we should put up a central discussion to find out which of these has consensual preference? The main issue seems to be how well-known the adjectives for city names actually are. R adiant _>|< 13:25, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
Hi, I saw your comment on the cfd page. The main problem with this category is that LGBT people have lived in many countries and eras with different laws so I really don't see how this category serves any useful purpose (the same applied to Jewish criminals, Catholic criminals etc.). I am opposed to any blanket criminal category as it is just not informative, if they do exist they should be by crime committed. Regards Arniep 23:55, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
Hello. Currently all images for {{ (prefecture)-geo-stub}} are the silhouettes of the prefectures. Yes, Iwate looks like an ink splotch, but I don't think it's of any problem to its citizens. While I think it's better to keep the current image (because now images for all prefectures are in the same fashion), it can be changed to the prefecture symbol or something like Image:Japan Iwate large.png. I wouldn't mind either way, but isn't that ink blot beautiful? :) Conscious 08:23, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
Hi - Appearances notwithstanding, I didn't actually mean to single you out in my comment. I apologize if you took this as a personal comment. By and large, I really don't care for any of the "intersection" categories. I'm not sure what to do about this (it's irked me for quite some time), but in this specific instance there seems to be a claim that this category carries an inherent anti-LGBT POV. It might - but, it might not as well. In any event, I thought a personal message about this might be warranted. -- Rick Block (talk) 05:38, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
Hi Rick,
Thanks for the offer to nominate me to be an admin. In truth, I'd find lots of things convenient, but at least for the present I prefer my present status. Again, though, thank you!
Fg2 00:52, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for your support on my RfA. I'm now a bit shamefaced as I remember I have an email from you to which I haven't responded. Anyway, if you ever need a hand at anything, give me a shout, I enjoyed working with you on that mammoth category discussion. Steve block talk 10:09, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
Completely without announcement, an article was moved from its common English name Nidhogg to the old Norse version Níðhöggr, even though a proposal to move mythology articles to non-English spellings failed to gain consensus. You have expressed interest in simular page moves in the past. Please take a minute to look at this one. CDThieme 18:37, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
Whichever vandalism it was, OK I think... 68.39.174.238 05:52, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
I happened to notice this question. This edit to the Infobox Movie template apparently changed what needs to be passed in for the image (should now just be "image = Red_Eye_poster.JPG"). I've looked around a bit, and it seems at least most other movies already supply the image in this form. I'll update the Red Eye article. -- Rick Block (talk) 01:52, 7 December 2005 (UTC) Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Who"
Thanks so much. I didn't really understand how the template worked. Someone was editing them in a way that produced doubled images, and I couldn't figure out how to fix it. Zora 05:12, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
I sure as shooting don't remember blocking that guy. His edits were awfully early in my adminship. Weird! I'll leave polite word asking what's up and if he's still blocked. He doesn't seem to be. - Lucky 6.9 06:48, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
I've updated my talk page with examples of the revised template for holding populations. The "as of" info can be optionally displayed now. Neier 22:41, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
I've replied to this over on my talk page, because it's probably of interest to others who might visit that page. You're on the right track, though we started doing bits of it about 16 months ago when I started the practice of assigning queries to different projects to different database servers. We've been doing more and more of it and that trend will continue. Jamesday 21:27, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
hi, i hope u don't mind me contacting u like this. maybe i'm misinterpreting the situation, or maybe i'm just a bit stupid, but i don't think the argument to remove is coming across clearly. i'd genuinely like to understand why you want them removed. if you have time, could you add more detail? Veej 13:53, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
BTW, i was serious when is said, "perhaps there should be a category of wikipedians who are 'against POV categories of articles' from whom you can rally support". From your link to Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2005_November_24#Category:Pro-life_politicians, i read Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters's comments. However, i don't believe removing the category is the answer. I do believe that application of the category will need to be monitored closely. so how about 'wikipedians against poor application of categories to articles'. if you start that category, i promise i'd join, & you could rally my support. Veej 19:16, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi - I noticed that NekoDaemon is meant to move contents from categories in Category:Wikipedia category redirects. I've been doing some WP:CFD cleanup and thought I'd let ND do some moving rather than doing it manually (or asking Beland or Who to do it with their bots). The claim at the category redirect page is that ND patrols "hourly". Does this mean ND examines each redirected category once an hour, or that it wakes up and does some amount of work every hour? I added the redirect template to Category:U.S._history_images about 24 hours ago and the articles aren't moved yet. Just curious. -- Rick Block ( talk) 18:31, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi - Can Pearle do null edits? I've subst'd template:Prefecture navobox in the templates it was used in, so now there are logically no references to it (a few from user or talk pages, but that's it). The "what links here" still shows several thousand articles. I'm not sure it's even worthwhile, but touching the articles would clean up the db. If yes, thanks. If no, no problem. -- Rick Block ( talk) 01:29, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
I just noticed the message you left at User talk:Cecropia. A quick look at the other bureaucrat log shows it was changed by meta:User:Datrio, and gives us the date. The explanation can be found here (found looking at Datrio's contribs around that date). -- cesarb 03:27, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
If you can change it over, that'd be great! It'd be worth the self-gratification ;) ~ - G t 08:48, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Why aren't I? I'll tell you: When I first started being active, I considered it; I decided I didn't understand how things worked and didn't have enough edits. Later, I decided I'd wait until someone nominated me; nobody has.
It seems like Wikipedia could use many more admins.I'm not certain how I can help out. I know it would be nice to have the tools to rollback vandalism and fix cut and paste moves. Supposedly, "it is not a big deal", to become an admin but it doesn't look that way all the time when I read the WFA discussions about people nominated. I would like to help shape the discussion about wikipedia consensus, categories, portals, etc..., but I don't really need to be an admin for that.
So yes, you can nominate me. I guess I can find a useful niche in the admin world. If you do nominate me, please hold off for at least 12 hours from the time of this posting. And thank-you for considering me. -- Samuel Wantman 17:35, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the nice nominating statement. I've answered the questions and linked it up. -- Samuel Wantman 08:55, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for all your support. It was one of the best gifts I got this holiday season. -- Samuel Wantman 20:54, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
Hey Rick, thanks for the tip. I posted a bot request at WP:BR for this about a month ago (it has since slipped into archive heaven) but no takers at that time. I don't know if AllyUnion watches that place or not but I'll make a direct request if you think it's appropriate (?). -- hydnjo talk 02:51, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
I went through and cleaned up Dec 14th at CFD: deleted what needed to be deleted etc and added whatever to the list on WP:CFD. I also archived it because the page was getting lengthy, however, one of the discussions wasn't closed and I wasn't sure what the outcome should be. It only had one vote so it should probably be relisted or something. I figure I'll let you make the decision here because I honestly have no idea. K1Bond007 01:59, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
And so happy Christmas... Best wishes from Heidi and Joe
Thanks for your part in bringing the real George Bissell to wikipedia. I notice that you seem to have a Denver bent going. I am about to add some Denver sculpture in various places, but will check what's there first. ho ho ho. Carptrash 00:15, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed you were involved in some of the decisions on that page. I created a couple of the categories suggested for deletion ( Pederastic deities and Pederastic lovers) which have not yet been decided, and I had a couple of points I wanted to raise. First, I do not want to precipitate events, but since it appears that you and the other admin have not yet decided how to proceed I thought I would make myself available should you have any questions. However, I will only be available another 12 hours or so, after which I am leaving on vacation for a week. Second, are articles and categories protected from double jeopardy, if they have gone through the AfD/CfD process once and survived? Haiduc 02:09, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
Try again, it should work now. R adiant _>|< 01:14, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Well, irregardless, there is no policy or guideline involving this - at least not for CFD. The best I could find was in the deletion guidelines for admins and even that is vague and subjective depending on the admin. I've tried to be fair and I don't think I was wrong on any of the ones I closed — at least I'm pretty sure I didn't close any as delete or whatever that were below 60% - nor was I really using a certain % as the marker for when I would choose to delete or close as no consensus. One specifically was 63% that I closed as delete after reading the entire discussion and taking everything in including the number of people involved in the "voting" process. Maybe that was wrong, but I went with the majority and agreed with the reasoning for deletion. I don't really know how to do this where someone isn't going to complain anyway. Not all (and I would love it to be) discussions are crystal clear or have a good consensus. Hey, I guess if you feel totally the opposite on some of the ones I closed (and it's not too late) then go ahead change it and delist from the CFD main page. K1Bond007 00:29, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Yo. I copied and pasted from a soon-to-be deleted article, and didn't remove the category or whatever to preserve the data. Kobra 03:24, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Hmm... This or this? Anyway, thanks for jumping in and helping out here. See you around! -- HappyCamper 05:19, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, my first comment pretty much answered itself, lol. Cheers, good to know. NSLE ( T+ C+ CVU) 05:45, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
I replied to your comment on the template talk page. You can respond there or on my Talk Page. -- R6MaY89 00:11, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Rick, I have some ideas for templates, but don't know if they are technically possible, so I thought I'd ask you.
I keep bumping into small skirmishes and ongoing debates about the spelling of English, and I'm wondering about using templates to solve the problem. What I don't know, is if there is some way that each user could set a parameter that would be used by the template. For example, say that this parameter is called English. In the user preference page, you'd be able to check off the version of english you'd like to use. For instance, 1 might be for British English, 2 for American English and 3 for Australian English, etc... Next we'd create templates for the words and phrases that differ. As an example, the template {{colour}} would be written to display "colour" if the English parameter is set to 1, "color" for 2, etc... Anyone who objects to a spelling would only have to turn the word into a template. Any ideas? -- Samuel Wantman 01:14, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
I hope this is in good taste. -- Delzen 23:52, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for your comments on my problem with image:Henry Purcell.jpg. I've moved a copy to the commons, and put up the template to that effect on the Wikipedia image page. It seems that it can't be speedy deleted, but I've put it up for deletion, and informed the original uploader. I think I've done all the steps, just have to wait for the deletion cabal :). Again, thanks, this is all pretty new for me, but it helps when people are friendly and helpful. Makemi 04:45, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Don't know if you noticed, but Kbdank71 went on a Wikibreak again and thus CFD is backed up. Just letting you know so that you could possibly help out if you have the time. It is kind of sad that there aren't that many admins working at CFD and it all really comes down to Kbdank71 and Who - both of which are now on wikibreak. It's not something I really like to do, which is why I'm not always there. Perhaps we should make a mention of this at the admin noticeboard or something. I don't know. Just a thought. K1Bond007 08:25, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
I've posted a proposal about categories and subcategories here. Please take a look. Thanks. -- Samuel Wantman 09:24, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
You: "Deleting a category is harder since (without user:Pearle's or user:Whobot's assistance) the references have to be deleted by hand."
Me: I understand the rename part, but not the delete. So how do I get user:Pearle's or user:Whobot's assistance? Or is this the reason why some of you admins have tens of thousands of edits? It looks like I have to get User:Beland involved in this, but I am bot ignorant and not quite getting it.-- Samuel Wantman 20:48, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
I saw your comment about self-selection, random sampling, and consensus on RfA talk. Do you have any further gems as to how to make it viable? - brenneman (t) (c)
Well, now that I've upgraded NekoDaemon, is there a suggested template that you wish to create? Maybe something like, {{ ctma}} with a category of Category:Categories to be moved automagically (or Category:Categories to be moved automatically); Let me know something you prefer, then I'll go set up the bot to do so. -- AllyUnion (talk) 07:13, 7 January 2006 (UTC)