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Some of the sources on this page are from the 90s which seems pretty outdated. The latest sources seem to be from early 2000s even though newer studies have been published since then. I want your permission if I can cite a 2008 study on sex differences in intelligence with a sample size of 7000....and I am asking this because I don't want my edit undone.This is the study I want to cite and edit with:
I also want to delete the sources from 1999 and 1998 because they are too old and update them with other newer sources that I have. What's your take?
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Thanks for the extra towns in Turkey! Any contribution is greatly appreciated. Pbfreespace3 ( talk) 03:11, 23 August 2015 (UTC) |
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Some of the sources on this page are from the 90s which seems pretty outdated. The latest sources seem to be from early 2000s even though newer studies have been published since then. I want your permission if I can cite a 2008 study on sex differences in intelligence with a sample size of 7000....and I am asking this because I don't want my edit undone.This is the study I want to cite and edit with:
I also want to delete the sources from 1999 and 1998 because they are too old and update them with other newer sources that I have. What's your take?
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WOW! You have really helped he Turkish map forward. However, there are a couple of things to remember. Firstly, you should source all edits about Kurdish control, by including the source link in the edit description. Secondly, if there is ever fighting going on in a city, you should use this icon: 80x80-lime-yellow-anim.gif This icon will change soon, because we are introducing new colors for Turkey and possibly Kurds soon. Please source edits. Pbfreespace3 ( talk) 16:22, 23 August 2015 (UTC) |
Welldone. I haven't tracked you, so these compliments attesting to your continued presence here and the excellence of your contributions is refreshing news. Keep up the good work. Nishidani ( talk) 16:44, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
I do think Jews have more rights in Israel than WP (and the international community) recognizes,
But I'm done talking now. Thanks again!
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Your work on the Turkish map really is tireless. I had expected I would be one of the only people working on the map, as it is a truly underreported conflict at the moment, but here you are making the map great. Thank you, and keep up the good work. Pbfreespace3 ( talk) 22:18, 24 August 2015 (UTC) |
First, the border crossings need to be placed under the dots of control of the border crossings. This is the visual style implemented on all other maps. To do this, simply place the border crossing icon before the control icon on the module, and it will appear correctly.
Second, the carte interactive de Kurdistan cannot be used. In general, we can't use other maps to edit this map, as it is unencyclopedic.
Third, the lime color was chosen to avoid confusion with the Syrian and Iraqi governments. Sunni government groups should, in general, be shown as green. André437 is making darker green icons for our use on this map, and they should be ready soon.
Fourth, cities and towns should be size-marked based on an average of 2 factors: geographical size and population density. On the Syria map, I typically mark a village with 100 houses bigger than a 40 house village of the same geographic size. So both population and size are factors.
Fifth, we're going to use the yellow color for both PKK azd "declared autonomy". In most cases, these are actually pretty close to the same thing, just a difference of branding. This may change in the future, if more groups appear/infighting occurs.
So far you have done an excellent job on the map. Keep going, and just post on my talk page if you have any questions; that's how I'll get the message quickest. Pbfreespace3 ( talk) 20:42, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
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Hello, the removal of two entire sections in that article is unacceptable.-- Makeandtoss ( talk) 20:40, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
He's not a prominent Jewish scholar. His work is highly controversial and was described in a new york times review as anti-semitic. Also, his field of expertise is not Nazism. -- Monochrome_ Monitor 00:03, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
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This isn't a self-published source. It's a link to a record of a primary source. Such a thing is very common. -- Monochrome_ Monitor 08:40, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
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Hello there @ NeilN:. I understand why I was blocked but your "sentence" seems heavy-handed. I mean, I can't edit talkpages. Also, 99% of my edits are not Arab-Israeli whatever. Can you just block me from Arab-Israeli for a week and not every article? -- Monochrome_ Monitor 19:52, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
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I think you contribute valuable and balanced insight on the topic at hand. Thank you for the hard work on such a volatile subject.
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Oh dear I appreciate that immensely but I have absolutely no idea what you are referring to. -- Monochrome_ Monitor 02:09, 16 November 2015 (UTC) @ Jasphetamine: Ding! -- Monochrome_ Monitor 03:02, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
Dammit some jerk changed the population again. It was good before!!!! -- Monochrome_ Monitor 04:01, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
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Just realized the man who graced me with rotating barnstars has been blocked indefinitely. RIP Pbfreespace. -- Monochrome_ Monitor 15:01, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
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Your work on the Turkish map really is tireless. I had expected I would be one of the only people working on the map, as it is a truly underreported conflict at the moment, but here you are making the map great. Thank you, and keep up the good work. Nishidani ( talk) 15:05, 23 November 2015 (UTC) |
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I pronounce cot/caught like the lady in the example ogg. To me she doesn't sound like she has an accent! -- Monochrome_ Monitor 21:46, 25 December 2015 (UTC) @ Nishidani: -- Monochrome_ Monitor 21:53, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
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FWiW Bzuk ( talk) 17:04, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
Your work and mine seems to intersect in many articles; I recall doing some "touch-up" on Charles Lindbergh and Marlon Brando, and seeing your contributions. As an aside, some of that time, when we "dared" to make alterations to the holy script, we both also invoked the wrath of other editors that had more than a passing interest in some of those touchstone articles. FWiW Bzuk ( talk) 13:20, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
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Thank you! I LOVE BAKLAVA! How did you know? Sorry for lashing out on the talk page. :) I'm pro Kurdish independence and unification, but I don't want anyone to think my bias and others' is affecting the neutrality of the page. -- Monochrome_ Monitor 19:20, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
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Is going forwards from the event while retrograde is before the event. Best Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 03:04, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
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@ Nishidani: Ugh. He hasn't given me any valid reason for the reversion of my edits... I hate the prevailing wikipedia attitude which is resistant to change and insists on discussions for the tiniest things which no one actually discusses. I hate being a wikidragon, it's exhausting. -- Monochrome_ Monitor 03:15, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
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Hi. Comparing the last few edits at Jews, I noticed that two sources were removed. [3] Why? Debresser ( talk) 09:23, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
Monochrome Monitor, few people go to a category page to read a description of the category (which doesn't exist on most category pages) and I doubt that the average editor who is categorizing an article will do so before deciding whether to categorizing an individual as
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peoplehood"
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Wikipedia:Categorization/Ethnicity, gender, religion and sexuality and you can not unilaterally impose additional restrictions on editors beyond those that are contained in this guideline especially because these qualifications didn't arise out of a discussion on
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism and seem to be of your own design.
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Hi,
I noticed you added some links to Attachment therapy including an APSAC report. I just thought I'd mention that a while back the article about APSAC was deleted. I noticed and requested a copy of it in my userspace to see if I could salvage it. Unfortunately I haven't had the time to give it a good shot and it's still there, in rough shape. If you're digging into relevant resources as it is, maybe you could dump any you find that are about APSAC in some way, on that talk page (or have at it directly, in which case you could move it into your userspace if you wanted).
It's here: User:Rhododendrites/American Professional Society on the Abuse of Children.
Thanks — Rhododendrites talk \\ 02:25, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
How did you make your userpage name to appear in green? Debresser ( talk) 16:39, 6 February 2016 (UTC) CLick edit on my page to view to source :D @ Debresser:-- Monochrome_ Monitor 17:05, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
Hello Monochrome Monitor! I was looking to your job with the Turkish Insurgency template for a time, and I saw that you are the major responsible for the editions and updates of this war, or proto-war, whatever... Well, I am making a video for Youtube, one animated map with the Syrian and Iraqi Civil Wars and the subsequent Lebanese, and why not, Turkish spillovers. Will be a everyday video, and it is consuming my free time in this week. Now I am already in 2014 in the map, and I see that I need some assistance with a better speacialist about Turkey than me (my only exp with Turkey regions was in Europa Universalis IV when I tried to recover Byzantium lol haha). More specifically, the evolution of the insurgency since the PKK rebellion until today, only a some data. Which and when each city fell. Can you help me? Leonardo Cebin ( disse e fiz) 04:20, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
I understand. Also, I was searching and seems that the 90s rebellion was much more worse than these, so probably this rebellion will not end with something big, only guerrillas and atacks to police forces. Well, I had some problem with the Hezbollah lines in my videomap, so I was stucked in 2014, but finally I reach now July 24, 2015, so the hour to paint a color in Turkey has come. I learnt much with the related Wiki articles and some things more, and think I can walk alone in this, but it has a hole that can not find sources. I need dates. What sources have you used to verify which cities have proclaimed autonomy? All the changes occur in August/September, and since October cease-fire, none changes have been reported? And in addition to Cizre, another city was conquered by the Turks? If you can help me, thank you!
More one thing. I found a source of news that I think that you will like: [4] A simple Wikipedian ( said and did) 06:52, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
I think that the Finklestein para should be restored. I didn't put it up originally: I remember that there was a lot of discussion when it was put in. I just edited it to respond to the flag that it needed more explanation. I tried to clarify briefly what his book says. It was an important book which documents its points well. It initiated a lot of discussion re: the uniqueness issue, and I believe that it forced historians to re-examine the claims to uniqueness. For that reason, I think that it is more than a fringe contribution. At the same time partly because of the Holocaust Industry, but mainly because of his continual support for the Palestinians he has earned the wrath of many supporters of Israel. Over the years, I have read a number of attempts to refute his research and writing and have yet to be convinced that he is unreliable. Joel Mc ( talk) 16:44, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
His theory that Jews in America "invented" the holocaust and are using it to extort europe and defend Israel is patent, and dangerous, nonsense.
Oh that's terrible. I have never forgiven myself for accidentally killing a tadpole by putting it in water which was too warm. Hopefully you'll get plenty opportunity to redeem yourself in the eyes of the snake gods. -- Monochrome_ Monitor 19:46, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
Well, we already mentioned Hilberg. Of course he likes him, he's his "hero", they are likeminded. So he's not exactly representative of a neutral majority... -- Monochrome_ Monitor 13:21, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
Oy! However you word it. I'm trying to defuse the confrontation.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 16:29, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
'In a Jewish hamlet in the vast Tsarist empire, there's a community of ultra-orthodox Jews of impressive distinction. Their rabbi was an outstanding authority on the kabbalah. One day, the rabbi sees one of the members of his congregation arrive at his home pallid and panting, his brow beaded with cold sweat, who says: 'Rabbi, hear me out!' Worried by his appearance, the Rabbi says:'Yankele, sit down. What on earth have you seen, Satan himself?' 'No, it's worse than that.' 'Oh dear, good grief. Well, tell me all about it.' 'Well, Rabbi. I was making breakfast, with a hunk of black bread, plenty of butter, and I was spreading the butter on the bread, with a cup of hot sugared tea and. .' The Rabbi breaks in.'Goodness me, Yankele. You ae being silly, aren't you? You come here and all you have to tell me is about your breakfast?' 'Hang on, Rabbi, just let me finish, please! Well then, I was smacking my lips, looking forward to the bounty when, out of the blue,, my cat leapt up onto the table and caused the slice of bread to fall onto the floor. Now, you go tell me what side of the bread hit the floor?' 'Don't be a moron, Yankele. It's a simple matter of physics. It fell on the buttered side.' 'No, rabbi! It fell on the unbuttered side.'At this point, the rabbi himself also was astonished, and the blood left his face. He said: 'Are you pulling my leg? Look, this is a serious matter, it's a mystical thing.' 'Rabbi, I swear to you that's what happened. And I have witnesses'. 'Go home, Yankele. This is something I have to look more deeply into.' So the Rabbi began to undertake his research, took down books on the Kabbalah, and began to write letters to all of the kabbalists the world over, to those who dwell in the most reclusive depths of Jerusalem, to those of the splendid Jewish community of Prague, to Petersburg and New York, everywhere. Letters were exchanged, responsa give, all pulling apart various conclusions arrived at, so everything had to be re-examined all over again. Three years, for three years, this intense activity by the great rabbis continued. Then at last, one day, Yankele got word that he had been summoned by his Rabbi. He arrives, red in the face, overcome with emotion, and the Rabbi says to him: 'Yankele, take a seat. Listen to me. We've managed it at last. For three full years we have worked for you. The whole world of the Kabbalah has worked on your behalf alone. And finally we have come to a unanimous conclusion- the one and only possible conclusion. My dear Yankele, to explain what happened in your case there is only one answer, one alone. Yankele, you buttered the wrong side of the bread. [1]
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This module is always vandalized by Turks. So you can add an Semi-protection ? Kordestani ( talk) 02:45, 2 March 2016 (UTC) I don't have the permissions for that, but I can ask. I agree, lots of people blank the page, it's really bad. -- Monochrome_ Monitor 01:54, 2 March 2016 (UTC) Thanks for reverting that shit. What a pain. -- Monochrome_ Monitor 01:59, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
I did not understand that what is an town is in Bingöl province as conflict. So there is no conflict in Bingöl province and you can remove that ?. Kordestani ( talk) 17:43, 3 March 2016 (UTC) I have seen it before. It drives me craaaaaaazy and I can't figure out how to get rid of it. 17:27, 3 March 2016 (UTC) Working on it. -- Monochrome_ Monitor 17:57, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
Alacakaya is an district of Elazığ Province but this town located in Diyarbakır Province on this map.. Location of Alacakaya is wrong and should be corrected. Kordestani ( talk) 19:20, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
I said I removed Sapata in the edit summary but I didn't... weird. Thanks for catching that! -- Monochrome_ Monitor 18:30, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
Re this Canaanites 'The Canaanites themselves inhabited the region since the 8th millennium BCE.' That appears to be sourced, but is utter nonsense. A little reflection would tell you it is meaningless, since we cannot use an ethnonym like that to speak of the deep past. It is technically impossible to identify a specific people that far back.
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A certain user seems to be reverting your edits on Sikh-related articles, adding back in the "genocide" category. Any idea who the master (if there is one) might be? Thanks, GAB Hello! 20:10, 19 March 2016 (UTC) Some guy named alpha mp. It's silly how wikipedians with povs always add stuff about their favored group into genocide categories. Like, there's been some absolute bullshit stuff in there. Wikipedia needs to seriously have a decision about whether to follow the mainstream and legal definition of genocide (intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part) or to cave to everyone's special interests. It's ridiculous how in this topic people don't use mainstream definitions because they are "too exclusive". And I'm not being super picky and only including genocides recognized by multiple states or authorities. It's the same with the holocaust too. In our WP:CATEGORYies we offer the conflicting syllogism of: The holocaust is a genocide. Not a genocide atrocity (ie killing of jehovah's witnesses, siege of stalingrad) is part of the holocaust. Therefore not a genocide is a genocide. Actually only jews and roma faced genocide according to the definition. Well, counting the utashe (I would consider them different genocides but some group them together) Serbs too.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 21:15, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
Hello MM. It looks like you are trying to move Semitic people. Just now you created Talk:Semitic peoples by cut-and-paste. This isn't usually done and may need to be fixed by an admin. It would be better for you to make a proposal for what you want to do, at least at WP:RMTR. Thank you, EdJohnston ( talk) 02:44, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
NOT being facetious -- Monochrome_ Monitor 02:48, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
- "Comment - This is going to be an WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument, but I only bring it up to rebut the argument that "We don't have an "Indo European people" article either. There is no such "people"." While it may be true that we don't have an Indo European people article (yet), these "Foo peoples"-type articles, where "Foo" is a language group are quite common on WP. We have: Indo-Aryan peoples, Tai peoples, Austronesian peoples, Polynesian peoples, Uralic peoples, Pearic peoples, Finno-Ugric peoples, Samoyedic peoples, Celtic peoples, need I go on? I'm not saying this article, as currently written, is particularly good, but "Semitic peoples" is a valid concept. It just needs to be rewritten with a different focus.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 21:12, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
The trick is in the plural -s. It might indeed be possible to write an article about the many different Semitic peoples and their history. ·maunus · snunɐɯ· 21:34, 15 December 2015 (UTC)"
- "Ah, yes, the plural -s. I'd just assumed this was already at "Semitic peoples". I would have sworn I saw an "s" up there. Funny the way the brain works (or doesn't) sometimes. In any case, it doesn't invalidate the point, it just means the article should be moved to Semitic peoples."-- William Thweatt Talk Contribs 22:24, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
- "If it is unclear, my point and initial proposal is exactly the same as that put forward by Maunus. As for there not being an Indo-European cultures article either, good, there shouldn't be. But there is an article about Proto-Indo-Europeans. FunkMonk ( talk) 04:35, 16 December 2015 (UTC)"
-- Monochrome_ Monitor 16:57, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia. Please do not remove Categories for discussion notices from category pages, or remove other people's comments in Categories for discussion debates, as you did with Semitic peoples. Otherwise, it may be difficult to create consensus. If you oppose the deletion, merger, or renaming of a category, please comment at the respective page instead.
It is particularly disturbing that you were warned once, [6] and still did this again. [7]
If you had not participated in the discussion at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_January_26#Category:Semitic_peoples, you could have done a WP:Non-admin closure on it, but having disagreed with the proposal, you should have left it to run its course. As it is, removing the CFD tag from the page looks as if you were seeking to avoid drawing attention to the discussion. – Fayenatic L ondon 12:06, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
If you see the intro at WP:AADD, it makes it clear that the reasoning in it generally applies to deletion-of-content not just deletion of page discussions, and see the first link referred to, a section at WP:AADP, which is written more generally; it's the exact same "this has to be kept because I saw it somewhere else on here" reasoning. I appreciate the self-revert, but really this should probably just be WP:RFCed, since having or not having flag icons at one article isn't going to address the use or non-use of them at the rest. I also have no desire to squabble about it, it's just a community review that needs to be made. I think MOS:ICONS is pretty clear, and there are good reasons to not use flag icons in a case like this, but WP:MILHIST regulars might feel differently; I can't read their minds. :-) — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 20:21, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement in a few minutes regarding your recent edits. Oncenawhile ( talk) 20:18, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
Don't appeal to authority! I don't think he's reliable because his views are so fringe. I suppose that's not synonymous with being an unreliable source... but god, his theories are outlandish. He thinks Sephardic Jews are descended from Berbers, how bizarre. Anyway, it's not about him, it's about the article being a soapbox for minority views, which is mentioned on the talk page. -- Monochrome_ Monitor 21:27, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
Thanks Simon, that's very kind of you :) You've been a huge blessing to me. I'll get to Dr. Strangelove when you've finished copyediting Shakshouka! -- Monochrome_ Monitor 22:49, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi MM,
Thanks for your willingess to help with mentorship. I saw your comment at Cullen328 ( talk · contribs). I am 100% ready to work with you and I promise not to disappoint you.
Thank you. Wikic¤l¤gy t@lk to M£ 17:27, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
Welp, I was offered mentorship for three months and avioiding ARBPIA for a while. But what Mentorship is exactly? I found WP:MENTOR to be lacking a lot of important details and I also not sure who will be the mentor (although IronDome offered himself). I stopped violating 1RR rule long ago (long ago means September) and I don't remember an incident when I actually violated a consensus while knowing it exists.. I am starting to think that Mentorship is maybe useless, and people offered it only because of a heated debate between a mute person (me) and deaf people (some of the rest). So what is really mentorship?-- Bolter21 ( talk to me) 15:30, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
Your editing behavior has become disturbingly puerile on this topic. I jhave absolutely no ideological interest in this argument and I know it thoroughly. The page before, later, now and after will have structural problems, things to weed out or improve, but you get nowhere simply reverting blankly. Use the talk page before you jump the gun, like Galassi. Nishidani ( talk) 07:06, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
Your assertion that "it was a valid opinion in jewish scholarship before israel" is off-target. It has little to do with Israel. It's about European Jews and the Haskalah, and the stream of Jews fresh out of the ghettoes who did away with Yiddishkeit for socialism as soon as it was convenient. The Khazar nonsense was only entertained by a few intelligentsia as part of the extreme end of the stream of Jewish thought which sought to solve the jewish question by redefining what it means to be Jewish completely. Case in point, the reform movement in Germany and America declaring that Jews are not a people, but merely a religion. From its onset it was used to deny Jewish peoplehood, its no coincidence its supporters (wexler, elhaik) today do the same. Koessler himself said he advocated the theory as a way to make antisemitism obsolete. Of course, the alternative solution to antisemitism was to defend the jewish people by restoring the jewish state in zion. But it's not a question of pre-israel vs post-israel, it is a matter of being loved as a gentile or hated as a jew. That ultimatum precedes modern Zionism by milennia. In the glory days of the Labor Bund a significant number of quixotic jews preferred the former, but today most Jews prefer the latter, and the few who don't are rightfully deemed wicked sons.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 20:53, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
My flat is the top floor of the mansion block immediately facing the viewer, to the extreme right. You will notice the small balcony. You can see the sunlight reflecting off one of my French windows. The picture appears to have been taken at about 8 - 9pm on a summer evening judging by the shadows. The clothing appears to date it to approx 1908 - 1912. The play of light on the windows is still the same today. Seeing it in the commons gave me goosebumps. The Khazar's thing. It is a delightful aspect of Jewish history. I like the legend that the Khazars received delegations from the Christian, Islamic and Jewish faiths. Islam was rejected because the Khazars liked a drink. They were unimpressed by Christianity so chose Judiasm. My nan's family were Khazars. I get my colouring from my grandads' lot. In a hot summer I make the late Faud of Saudi Arabia look like a Norwegian ski instructor, whereas my nans lot had the colouring of Kirk Douglas. So what? After 15-1700 years we are all Jews now. These interminable arguments are a sign of insecurity MM. The politics do not help either in trying to find an academic way forward in a complex article. I have seen assurances from colleagues above that they would fight to keep nutters and anti-semites away. Wexler I believe to be wrong and his viewpoints sometimes odd, but the Jewish people will still be around in the morning, and so will Israel. Neither are going anywhere. Relax MM, and tame some example of your local wildlife. Love from Irondome ( talk) 22:22, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
KTAV Publishing House, Inc., 1997 pp.147-148. It should be in the article. Must rush (cheers Simon) Nishidani ( talk) 07:23, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
MM, I'm very sorry that you had an unpleasant experience earlier. Taken alone, the sock-puppeting and the COI autobiography issue might have been resolved without any serious action. Even the legal threat that he made could have been smoothed over. However, when editors began looking at his contributions, the true damage to the project became apparent. As someone said, that was "the line in the sand". The falsified medical articles were just the beginning.There are @ 500-plus articles to be read and corrected, plus references that he has added to other articles.This situation is really sad, for everyone. I suggest you read this section for an overview. First article I read: here. Random from today- click on the citations and compare them to the sentences: Nigerian Academy of Science, Isa Marte Hussaini. Then read this,and I think you will understand why people are so angry. Your good heart does you credit. It's much better to err on the side of kindness, than the side of cruelty, and I would send you a kitten, (if I knew how!) Love the "monotone monitor". (The first computer I used was a year or two older) Best wishes, Tribe of Tiger ( talk) 19:24, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for the replies on the "Workshop" page. They're greatly appreciated :) Claudia 20201 ( talk) 22:02, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi! Сan I invite you here: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_April_28#Category:Indo-European-speaking_peoples ? Cathry
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For the last time, meddling and frigging about with text in defiance of evidence (which may be partial or wrong, but can be correct) given on the talk page is tantamount to edit-warring. Go there before tampering with the text. Both Entine and Yanover are shit sources, but, unlike edit warriors, I haven't removed them. I try to get the nonsense they are pushing correctly paraphrased. But there are a whole bunch of issues there, even in paraphrase. Go to that page, but before you do, read Nadia Abu El-Haj,The Genealogical Science: The Search for Jewish Origins and the Politics of Epistemology, University of Chicago Press, 2012 pp,.120-3 (at least. And don't tell me she's of Palestinian origin and therefore suspect, since the same would apply to many of the 'Jewish' newspaper hacks used on that page, and at least she underwent peer-review in an academic publishing house noted for its severity about quality) I've been using that source for years, but no one reads it. They, like yourself, prefer self-grooming promotional snippets from newspapers. Don't reply here, please. Nishidani ( talk) 16:42, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
Maybe I too belong to Category:Wikipedians with way too much time on their hands, but I thought I'd point out that, on your user page, you change from third person to first person, not from plural to singular.
All the best:
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Farmbrough, 11:30, 25 May 2016 (UTC).
Mimi dear, this is a first! Let's raise one to it: you removed one of my more substantial edits, and I reversed it back, of course. And this while I'm hardly editing anymore :-)
Some smart newspaper guy - or municipality PR smart... donkey - made up the line "Jerusalem's age pushed back: now 7000 years old". BS. Shuafat has only been "included" (pro forma, administratively) into J'lem after 1967. Not 7k, 6k, 5k, 4k, 3k, 2k, 1k, 500 years ago, or 100 years ago - no, hardly 50. Finding Chalcolithic or other prehistoric traces in Shuafat and basing a new "birthday" for J'lem on that is... it starts with "bull" and ends beneath his tail. Take a better look at it and I hope we can leave it at this. I'm off & back to real life, cheers! Arminden
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Yes, Jerusalem. I have separated "Shuafat" and its prehistoric findings from "City of David & J'lem proper" and its own prehistory. Now Debresser has re-reverted... Once you get a ball rolling in the wrong direction, you can't stop it that easily anymore.
We do go back quite a while, so the tone between us "goes without saying". OK, now don't push me :-) Arminden
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You have my email??? / The discussion is ongoing on the talk page. Sorry, I have a "real life" backlog from here till Timbuktou :-) Arminden Arminden ( talk) 09:39, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
How does that work? I mean, being sure it doesn't go into the public domain? I'm kinda shy (or not, but that's the thing: Arminden can say anything, the other guy with an email... not so much). Arminden Arminden ( talk) 17:36, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
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It makes no difference whether one has 'decimate' or 'devastate', but the edit summary was incorrect. 'Decimate' etymologically means reduced by one tenth, and is still used in literate circles to mean the substantial reduction of a community or population, never its entire destruction. Nishidani ( talk) 20:50, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
You'd wear down the patience of Job. And half of your edits require wasting hours fixing them, when they are not irreparable. You are profoundly superficial and careless in your editing.
Christian commentators have long been concerned with the fate of the ten lost tribes. Prester John placed them somewhere in Inner Asia. Matthew Paris speculated that the Tartars could be from the ten lost tribes. However, Christian commentators and polemicists described the Khazars as a people without a known faith
@ Jonney2000: tell me what you think about the version I just put out. The intro keeps the current one's basic structure with the exception of deleting a quote I think gives a false balance.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 00:44, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
Hello. In this edit summery you wrote that "Canaanite" and "Phenocian" are the same thing. You might know this and you might not, but,
The city states on the coast of Lebanon and modern-day northern Israel coast were called "Phenocian" by the Greeks and the Romans. All of those spoke (dialects of) the "Phenocian" langauge and they were sometimes federated and sometimes dominated by one city state (if I am not wrong it was for the most part Sidon). Those people called themselves "Cannanites" and they indeed lived in (parts of) Canaan. The problem is the Romans and Greeks have ruined historical etymologoy. They created the "Palestine" thing and renamed Aram as "Syria" which I mourn until this day. It's a sad thing that people say "Judea is a name that refers to hill region in southern Palestine".
So don't assume that because logically you are right, that Phenocians are technically Cannanites, but historiography is annoying and we have to work according to it.
Someone told me recently that I am patronizing, so if you feel that way, it wasn't intended.-- Bolter21 ( talk to me) 12:42, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
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Stop tag-teaming me with your Zionist friend. No sooner do I edit an article on Zionism than I get irritating messages on my talk page. Do not post there again. -- BowlAndSpoon ( talk) 23:34, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
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The measure adopted is one that will cause you some grief, and, probably anger against myself. The latter is neither here nor there. It's far more severe than what I expected. Wiki however is like reality itself: things never play out as one anticipates. If it is any consolation, I was permabanned for 9 reverts over several articles in 49 days. I took it on the chin, as Foreman did in Zaire, and only got back because, unknown to me, two editors from either 'side' (Ravpapa/Nableezy) thought that after some time spent in the cooler, I should be invited back unconditionally. Oddly, their proposal was accepted. I say 'oddly' because normally one was expected to make a personal plea. I didn't. I was raised never to whinge, let alone 'grease' one's way back into someone's good graces. I think you should reflect on the psychodynamics of what happened: all it needed from you, once Simon put in his avuncular suggestion, was a sign of contrite regret ('Sorry' is enough) and some imagination ('I accept Simon's offer, but will extend the voluntary wiki break for a month,'etc) to convince the board you recognized you'd gone beyond the limit. When I came back from my permaban, I imposed on myself a discipline of self-suspension, for a month each time, whenever I made an infraction, even if no one reported me. I was off Wikipedia on several occasions. The aim is, whatever the group dynamics and power plays out there, ignore them: make the battleground one's own impatience, intolerance, self-conceit, or whatever the focus, and expect of oneself higher standards than the community requires. At a certain age, one gets slack, and I found this a corrective spur to fend off the complaisance of being 'grown up'. If you parse what Simon said, it was the opposite of throwing you under the bus: he went out on a limb, allowing you to see the stress this incident caused, while nonetheless making a last minute bid to stave off a sanction which, I suspect, he might have thought deep down, to be due, but which his empathy and avuncular care obliged him to ward off. You missed that, by expressing disappointment at what struck you as a failure to back you to the hilt. All nurture begins with indulgence, but the hardest thing in parenting is to apply the rod, those forms of angry reproval or punitive actions (I would be locked as a child in the laundry if I didn't eat my greens, or don an animal costume) that send us the message that indulgence has its limits. The limitation is only on two article, esp. the Khazar hypothesis which I am not now rushing to 'fix' unilaterally by undoing your work. If I edit it, it will be after collegial agreements with Jonney and anyone else, on the talk page. By all means revert this if you think it condescending. Nishidani ( talk) 15:21, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
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The sources you cited in your recent edit to Palestinians were mostly garbage. What makes www.nusseibeh.org, a family website, a reliable source? America.pink, another of your sources, is a Wikipedia mirror and thus not a reliable source. You cited a book by "Joudah", but neglected to provide any meaningful information that might help an interested reader find it. (See WP:CITEHOW.) And you cited a dead link on the website of Al Riyadh. Please fix the citation problems. Thank you. — MShabazz Talk/ Stalk 02:17, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
You do have a wikipedia page :P -- Monochrome_ Monitor 04:38, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
Please stop. Your edit is nonsensical ("Black Hebrew Israelitism are groups") and poorly sourced. Please read and follow WP:LEAD and WP:UNDUE. In what world is a tabloid-style news article about a murder given more weight than multiple academic sources? The SPLC report is mentioned in the article already -- and given appropriate weight. If you have concerns about the article, please start a talk page discussion. Thank you. — MShabazz Talk/ Stalk 19:00, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
vandalism. -- Monochrome_ Monitor 19:07, 22 June 2016 (UTC) And please clarify what "academic sources" contradict my edits. None of them do.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 19:11, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
I didn't use black zion as a cite, I left it uncited, but that could be easily fixed.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 20:08, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
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I have no interest in editing the Palestinians article.
Since you seem to you should read page 122
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Thanks jonney, you're always awesome.--
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This article is under WP:1RR due to ARBPIA. It my be in your interest to undo your last edit. Thank you, EdJohnston ( talk) 02:17, 1 July 2016 (UTC) Thank you for telling me but the date says it's a new day. :) -- Monochrome_ Monitor 02:54, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
At Dahiya doctrine. Please self-revert and instead of imposing your will through reverts attempt to gain a consensus at the talk page. nableezy - 03:30, 1 July 2016 (UTC) There's nothing to talk about. Reverts should not be used wantonly- as you reverted me. It's obvious that the term is a politically motivated label not supported by the content of the page. Namely it accuses israel of "state terrorism", a fringe concept, and in the case of Israel riddled with anti-semitic motifs. It's a ridiculous characterization.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 03:45, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
And what personal attacks are you referring to exactly? Me saying "stop POV pushing"? -- Monochrome_ Monitor 08:09, 1 July 2016 (UTC) I am sorry for my tone, it sounds hostile but unfortunately that's way I debate things.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 08:14, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
You are talking about causation. I am talking about correlation. Richard Falk has anti-semitic views [1], he only proves my point. He is jewish by ethnicity but that doesn't mean anything. Gilad Atzmon is an admitted antisemite [2], and falk endorsed him. If a black man is president of the KKK, does that mean he's not a racist? (that's a reference to the chapelle show) Hated minorites can internalize their hatred and direct it at their in-group, it's not just a jewish thing. Nor does it matter where he was educated. He's a 9/11 "truther" [1] who posted a blatantly antisemitic cartoon. As for Erdogan, you are talking about biographies of living persons- meaning I can't call him a loony on his article. That's fair. It doesn't mean I can't engage in free speech on my own talk page. -- Monochrome_ Monitor 17:28, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
'I came across an interesting insight into the subject of anti-Semitism. It goes like this: ‘While in the past an “anti-Semite” was someone who hates Jews, nowadays it is the other way around, an anti-Semite is someone the Jews hate’.
I'm glad you two can find things to agree on. [12] (I'm actually horrified)-- Monochrome_ Monitor 12:56, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
I never mentioned iran.
We must begin to take the accusation that the Jewish people are trying to control the world very seriously.... American Jewry makes any debate on whether the 'Protocols of the elder of Zion' are an authentic document or rather a forgery irrelevant. American Jews do try to control the world, by proxy. So far they are doing pretty well for themselves at least.
The Protocols is widely considered a forgery. It is a manual for a prospective new member of the “Elders”, describing how they will run the world through control of the media and finance, replacing the traditional social order with one based on mass manipulation. Though the book is considered a hoax by most experts and regarded as a vile anti-Semitic text, it is impossible to ignore its prophetic qualities and its capacity to describe both the century unfolding and the political reality in which we live.
You may wonder at this stage whether I regard the credit crunch as a Zionist plot. In fact it is the opposite. It is actually a Zionist accident. The patient didn’t make it to the end. This Zionist accident is a glimpse into Political Zionism’s sinister agenda. This Zionist accident provides us with an opportunity to see that as far as misery is concerned, we are together with the Palestinians, the Iraqis and the Afghans. We share one enemy.
It is rather obvious that some Jews are rather unhappy with Charles Dickens’ Fagin and Shakespeare’s Shylock who they regard as ‘anti Semitic’. I get the impression that the prominent Zionist enthusiast and London Barrister Anthony Julius would like to see these cultural iconic characters diminished from popular discourse... It doesn’t take a genius to gather why Julius and others are concerned with Fagin or Shylock. Fagin is the ultimate plunderer, a child exploiter and usurer. Shylock is the blood-thirsty merchant. With Fagin and Shylock in mind Israeli barbarism and organ trafficking seem to be just other events in an endless hellish continuum....As much as Julius and others would like to remove some crucial stereotypes from our collective cultural discourse, they can actually expect the complete opposite. Fagin and Shylock are now more popular than ever before. Devastatingly enough, it is Fagin and Shylock who shed light over the Jewish state and its lobbies around the world. Fagin is neither alone nor is he an isolated fictional episode.
65 years after the liberation of Auschwitz we should reclaim our history and ask why? Why were the Jews hated? Why did European people stand up against their next door neighbours? Why are the Jews hated in the Middle East, surely they had a chance to open a new page in their troubled history? If they genuinely planned to do so, as the early Zionists claimed, why did they fail? Why did America tighten its immigration laws amid the growing danger to European Jews?
If there is one Jew I fully admire, it must be Paul Eisen
-- Monochrome_ Monitor 18:15, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
I don't agree that the quotes were deceptive. When he says "some might call me a proud self hater", he is embracing it. [19] Here he explicitly calls himself a "profound self-hater". Similarly, omitting the clause "some might be bold enough to say" (with bold having a positive connotation) does not make it less heinous. Some might say you are an apologist for racism that even he who once said "zionism is the continuation of nazism in spirit", condemns. Your fastidious verification of quotes is also hypocritical, which I will get to later. -- Monochrome_ Monitor 18:56, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
I removed a link that proved to be dead and the wayback machine failed. You found the correct link, fine. Does anyone as a Jew, have a right to get hysterical because another Jew repudiates his being a Jew? If he or she does, it means that for the outraged person, being Jew means having 'property rights' over what someone of the same ethnicity thinks, and that is, I suspect, what gets Atzmon to make his extreme statements. No. I've seen an Albanian try to harass a Macedonian friend of mine in exactly this way. No one has such an invasive meddling right to mind control over his fellows. No more than any German would have had a right to take to task an acquaintance of mine, a senior bureaucrat, who left Germany, and, with my assistance, took up life in a new country because he wanted to erase all associations with his ethnic and national origins, because of WW2, and because he was convinced Germany would try to establish a reich in the European Economic Community. An anti-Semite hates Jews: Atzmon's parents are both Israeli and Jews: his mother is proud of him, and when his father, working in the defense industry, finally grasped what his son was arguing against, it moved him deeply. These cheap blogosphere clichés twisting a personal struggle into a threat to Israel, or a threat, akin to the run-up to the Holocaust, just pander to off-the-shelf prejudice. Nishidani ( talk) 11:33, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
'the one truly holocaust denier is Bernard Lewis. A French court even convicted Lewis of denying genocide. But Lewis denied the Turkish genocide of Armenians during World War 1, not the Nazi genocide of Jews, and Lewis is pro-Israel. Accordingly, this instance of Holocaust denial raises no hackles in the United States. Turkey is an Israeli ally, extenuating matters even further. Mention of an Armenian genocide is therefore taboo. Elie Wiesel and Rabbi Arthur Hertzberg as well as the AJC and Yad Vashem withdrew from an international conference on genocide in Tel Aviv because the academic sponsors, against Israeli government urging, included sessions on the Armenian case. Wiesel also sought, unilaterally, to abort the conference and, according to Yehuda Bauer, personally lobbied others not to attend.(source:Israel Charny (1982), Haaretz 20 April 1990) The US Holocaust Council practically eliminated mention of the Armenians in the Washington Holocaust Memorial Museum, and Jewish lobbyists in Congress blocked a day of remembrance for the Armenian genocide.'Verso 2003 pp.69-70
You make a great effort to not judge him and to rationalize his views, whereas you assume the worst of my intentions. Using finklestein as proof makes me think your antipathy towards goldberg is from finklestein. Goldberg is the leading voice of the American Jewish left. Finklestein is a pariah of the american jewish community whose following is the far-left and the far-right. He's nowhere near Atzmon nor is he an antisemite but he borders on conspiracy at times. Also I don't appreciate his admiration for hezbollah.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 01:20, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
Would you please comments on my updating the page Shahrbanu here or at the talk page of the article. Nannadeem ( talk) 17:24, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
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I have closed the request at arbitration enforcement concerning you. The result is that: Monochrome Monitor agrees to a voluntary restriction and mentorship by Irondome. Given this, no further action is required at this time. Monochrome Monitor is warned that further disruption or failure to abide by the voluntary agreement is likely to result in a full topic ban. Please give careful thought to editing in this area going forward, as I really hope that won't become necessary. Seraphimblade Talk to me 21:24, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hallel Yaffa Ariel-- Bolter21 ( talk to me) 18:36, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Bolter I honestly didn't know my sanction applied to talk pages. You did nothing wrong. :)-- Monochrome_ Monitor 20:58, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
for that MM ;) Simon Irondome ( talk) 17:42, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
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Regardless of the merits of the edit, I think this too (4th time?) violates your voluntary agreement. Nishidani ( talk) 15:39, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
Good old moral relativism and the "cycle of violence"... I suppose that chain of events ends with the holocaust "in revenge for the crucifixion". There's a difference between the prophet of a religion massacring hundreds of defenseless people and the adherents. The massacres by joshua are a fiction. The massacres by muhammad are historical fact. Regardless, what piqued my interest in the article was not battles in the 7th century.. it was recent events.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 17:15, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
I'm not talking about theology. I'm talking about real people getting killed. The devastation of the Peloponnesian war cannot be compared to that of the Trojan war. The real massacre of 800 surrendering jews cannot be compared to the fictional massacre of 450 self-mutilating cult leaders.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 21:46, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
I think a better comparison would be to Yemenite Jewish convert Dhu Nuwas's massacres of 20,000 Arabian Christians. By far the most brutal and deadly non-fictional act perpetrated by Jews in their 3 millennia. Of course no one comes out clean, not even buddhism and certainly not paganism. ( cough cough) Your strongest point is that Christianity and Islam are byproducts of Judaism and thus the violence they wrought is indirectly a product of Judaism because culture influences behavior. I generally don't think x made y means that x made f(y) though. Just because Australopithecus made Albert Einstein doesn't mean the genius of Einstein reflects on the character of Australopithecus, the fact that Judaism made Christianity/Islam doesn't mean that the of actions of Christians/Muslims reflects on the character of Judaism. But I digress. Just because no one is clean doesn't mean distinctions can't be made. How many people have been killed for Judaism? Islam? Christianity? Saying that it doesn't matter how much the latter two exceeds the former because none = 0 is moral relativism. Americans bombed civilians in Dresden and Tokyo and dropped two a-bombs but a distinction can be made between their behavior and the Nazis. The argument that "none are clean" is precisely the equivocation of neo-nazis who say that "germans suffered a lot too in the war". Feel free to call godwin's law, I'm by no means calling you a nazi, I'm just comparing two forms of moral relativism. One is far more heinous than the others, but both are fallacious. (Note how I'm not equating the two) When I note that muslims murdered a bunch of people recently, it's fallacious to say "so did Elijah 3000 years ago!" -- Monochrome_ Monitor 16:05, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
Your strongest point that the Christianity and Islam are by products of Judaism and thus the violence they wrought is indirectly a product of Judaism because culture influences behavior
In my thinking the Tanakh, being the primary sacred text of Judaism written/compiled by jews, influencing the two later religions is pretty similar to judaism influencing them. Sure it can be argued that this influence doesn't make them byproducts. Anyway I extrapolated based on the fact that Christianity is directly a product of Judaism (or at least a jewish movement that was commandeered by gentiles who perverted it into something Jesus would find abhorrent) and Islam is also a product of Judaism.... because the abrahamic tradition starts with judaism.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 03:45, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
Second temple judiasm was very diverse. But neither the saducees, essenes, nor pharisees would deify a human being. I say christianity is a perversion of judaism with thorough knowledge of its history and development. Saying christianity is a jewish movement is oversimplification, given how its jewish members were condemned as heretic "judaizers" and had no influence on the development of the religion post mid 2nd century. And early christianity actively reinvented itself in a reaction to judaism- or to quote the council of Nicea they moved the date of easter so they could "have nothing in common with this odious people, the jews". No christians of jewish extraction were invited to that council by the way.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 18:51, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
A mission for judaism? What nonsense is that? Are you on a mission for paganism? My mission is more against the deep-seated christian bias in wikipedia than it is for judaism, which I know little about and don't pretend to. I have much more respect for islam as a religion. And I wasn't talking about calling jesus the messiah. I was talking about calling him God. Two very different things.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 19:47, 3 August 2016 (UTC) I'm a secular deist with jewish flavor. I love the altruistic writings of the prophets but there's no reason I should accept the virulent misogyny of the talmud. Whenever I make a point that can interpreted as pro-jewish, you immediately accuse me of shilling, as if I'm a mindless automaton and Chabad feeds me the punch cards. (or a "tribalist" who only cares about "my own kind") My views are far more nuanced than you believe, certainly more nuanced than your own, which are actual regurgitations of hamas talking points. [20] "The role of the occupation is attack, and we in Palestine are fulfilling the reaction", "The locally manufactured shells fired by the resistance are a natural response to the Israeli occupation". (the locally produced home-grown grass fed rockets you called "harmless".)-- Monochrome_ Monitor 19:57, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
That's what you object to? Of course english wikipedia is biased by the fact that the anglosphere is overwhelmingly christian. Some pages have overt apologetics, such as the Shroud of Turin. Some pages while critical in tone are approaching the topic from a fundamentally christian perspective, when I say deep-seated I'm referring to this permeation of christian thought in enlightenment thought which leaks into wikipedia.Thus Category:Hebrew Bible is in Category:Old Testament, "because it's convenient". (even though the old testament is a derivative of the hebrew bible, not vice versa.) I never said the Tanakh is fundamentally ahistorical. I believe it's a historically reliable document post 9th century or so and that earlier texts are either semi-historical (ie united monarchy) or genuine oral traditions with kernels of truth (ie Judges). I believe Elijah (9th century Israel) has a historic counterpart but I'm hesitant to take stories like his contest with the baal worshipper literally considering the improbable miracle of fire raining from the sky. Later prophets are more like poets than wonder-workers so I'm less inclined to think their stories have been embellished. Also I generally disregard your constant griping about my hopelessness because for whatever reasons you keep coming back to my talk page. This time it was the need to tell me I've broken sanctions that I agreed to despite never actually getting assurance that I broke 1RR. 4 times.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 21:37, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
a fundamentally christian perspective, when I say deep-seated I'm referring to this permeation of christian thought in enlightenment thought which leaks into wikipedia.
I see you adhere to the outdated views of Peter Gay who viewed christianity and the enlightenment as diametric opposites. Enlightment thought and christian thought were bedfellows. Read Two Treatises of Government and then get back to me.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 07:41, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
Now there you go again reverting to your old "argue against MM by saying she's lying because she can't actually know what she's talking about because she's 19". Cool it with the hysterics. There's a little thing called "civics class" where the teacher is at liberty to assign reading, did you ever consider that? I generally avoid the neologistic term "judeo-christian" given its unsavory usage. You may not be aware (this is a fundamentally American term) but "Judeo-Christian" is less used today as an interfaith bridge between Jews and Christians than it is as means of excluding Islam from having any place in American society. Peter Gay's work is outdated and I'm not the only one who's said it. And most significantly The Enlightenment and Religion: The Myths of Modernity is a more modern perspective on the role of religion in the enlightenment. And here's a review of it which takes the outdatedness of the "Gay paradigm" (their words) as axiomatic.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 11:27, 4 August 2016 (UTC) Now this is silly and I want to stop arguing about it. It would be so much easier if you could admit to your fallibility just this once, say your view of the enlightenment as enlightened vs religious is antiquated, indeed that's the version of history I was taught in school so I would not blame you.I never pretended to be wiser or more knowledgeable than you but when I am "right" about specific things it would be gracious to say so, or at least to end the discussion on the pretense that you don't want it to (further) devolve into bitter polemic, not because I am hopeless or you have "given up" on me or talking to me is "useless". That is hurtful.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 12:52, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
:'the deep-seated christian bias in wikipedia than it is for judaism'.
a fundamentally christian perspective, when I say deep-seated I'm referring to this permeation of christian thought in enlightenment thought which leaks into wikipedia.
I revel in jokes, and a touch of hilarity is a good way to end a meaningless conversation. That one must not go down the memory hole. Nishidani ( talk) 07:09, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
I see you adhere to the outdated views of Peter Gay who viewed christianity and the enlightenment as diametric opposites. Enlightment thought and christian thought were bedfellows.
It would be so much easier if you could admit to your fallibility just this once, say your view of the enlightenment as enlightened vs religious is antiquated,
Of course christian thought is rooted in "old testament" thought. I affirmed that above, although I noted the pagan influences. It seems our views are not dissimilar at all. I don't have an agenda to "win" and beat the old guy, but I do have an agenda to achieve some respect from you- not even for my merits (or lack thereof) but as a human being. You make me feel shitty about myself, to put it crudely. I spend most of my time learning (I aced that psych class by the way) and you belittle almost everything I say about what I've learned as superficial. Otherwise you deny I have any connection to my words at all and simply say "you know nothing about X" or "you didn't read Y" and "you plagiarized Z from a blog". -- Monochrome_ Monitor 01:20, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
The formation of water is a combination reaction, the formation of precipitates is a single/double replacement reaction. I know what you meant to convey, but if you're going to use a technical analogy you shouldn't bungle the details. I have said, numerous times, how Christianity is a mixture of Greek philosophy,Gnosticism, and Judaic religion, so I don't see what nuance I'm missing. I also know that the Enlightenment directly led to the emancipation of the Jews, and I'm not saying the Enlightenment was a bad thing, I'm saying it was never free of Christian influences, which also isn't a wholly a bad thing. I don't know what the Great Sanhedrin are, unless you mean the Grand Sanhedrin? Lastly your denigration of Zionism as "ridiculous" was wholly unnecessary. You haven't explicitly admitted to anti-Zionism but it was to be expected (even though I was told that you were "a Zionist, just far left").
I don't know what the Great Sanhedrin are, unless you mean the Grand Sanhedrin?
Nice inference that I used wikipedia,actually the term I learned was "Grand Sanhedrin", part of Le Grand Sanhedrin de Napoleon. Grand can be translated to great, but I prefer grand as it provides distinction from the original Great Sanhedrin.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 01:05, 7 August 2016 (UTC) And there's nothing good about post-Zionism, which is akin to a white person telling a black person "racism is over because we passed the Civil Rights Act, so stop whining". Of course it's better than saying "I wish the Civil Rights Act wasn't passed in 64" (a la Anti-zionists "I wish the Jewish State was never established in 1948") All of the great (non-militant) Civil Rights leaders were Zionists for a reason. But you know this already and have overlooked it in light of the works of Noam Chomsky, so this discussion, like all of our others, is futile.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 01:30, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
Please re-read the "Simon checking in" thread. It may be painful, but it has valuable insights.
I am on your side MM, I just want you to prosper and develop both on WP and more importantly, in that place called Real Life. Simon. Irondome ( talk) 23:10, 6 August 2016 (UTC) They aren't the subjects that interest me most :P I edit them because I think they're biased or inadequate. But thanks! :)-- Monochrome_ Monitor 00:53, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
You know you're supposed to use both carrots and sticks, correct? -- Monochrome_ Monitor 01:55, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. -- Monochrome_ Monitor 01:24, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
How was that not of substance? It's called wikignoming. "Partial extermination" is an oxymoron."Partial Destruction" applies.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 01:53, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
I think I got it from genocide watch.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 02:15, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
Iryna and I have collaborated a lot in genocide topics in the past. Again, it's not "my view" of genocide. I use the legal def and I gave you sources.I'm not going to talk about this with you here, I would do it over email but please respect it's uncomfortable for me to do to it on talk.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 13:17, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
On Temple Mount your edit introduced a new mistake: "tzhe Noble Sanctuary of Jerusalem". :) By the way, the easiest way to do some copyediting is to revert my undo. Debresser ( talk) 17:54, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
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I reverted this edit purely on the basis that any changes to do with ethnic identity in the Levant needs to be discussed to death before it happens, and the status quo should normally be retained until that discussion has happened. Also it's really, really bad practice to leave anything with no categories at all. If you want to take it to WP:CFD then go ahead - I've no bone in this fight, I'm just trying to ensure that due process is observed. Le Deluge ( talk) 18:53, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
Didn't mean to orphan it. No need to justify, I totally understand. :)-- Monochrome_ Monitor 21:50, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
On 18 September 1943, Pechersky, along with 2,000 Jews from Minsk including about 100 Soviet Jewish POWs, was placed in a train cattle car which arrived at the Sobibor extermination camp on September 23, 1943. Eighty prisoners from the train, including Pechersky, were selected for work in Lager II
I've deliberately not looked at your contribs record, as stated. These are just absurd edits with no intelligent justification on pages where I have edited, and note that I am not the only person who regards this kind of rewriting you indulge in as problematical. Perhaps you need to talk more extensively with your mentor. Nishidani ( talk) 12:32, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Half of those edits were a restoration of the article to the way they were before you messed with them. I don't even have to read your contribution history to spot them, they stick out like a sore thumb. Your assertion that my edits were "pro-jewish" and "anti-christian" is hilarious, can you even hear yourself? Your edits obfuscate the place of the Temple Mount in Christian thought. The fact is when you look into traditional Christian views of the Temple Mount you find that "The destruction of the Temple, prophesied by Jesus’s 'I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and in three days I will build another, not made with hands' (Mark 14:58), in addition to the expulsion of the Jews from Jerusalem, was seen by the Byzantine Christians as proof of Christianity’s victory over Judaism. In the centuries preceding the conquest of Jerusalem first by the Sassanids, then by the Rashidun, the Temple Mount had been completely overlooked in the Christian religious topography of Jerusalem in favor of the Holy Sepulchre."
[23] You don't find drivel like "both christians and jews think the temple was destroyed becuase of jewish sin" in there. My edits are not pro-Jewish any more than dartmouth college is pro-jewish. Perhaps it is you who is anti-jewish? Zero's edit summary "its unacceptable" is just that. I added a pro-return argument in a section filled with pro-return arguments. I could have made that clearer with "they point out that", but I thought it was obvious. Per the Banu Qurayza there is no primary source (hadith or sunna) affirming that Muhammad let the non-traitorous Jews "go as they wish", rather an unreliable clearly apologetic one, "International Islamic Publishing House". If an article quoted Chabad saying something too "pro-Jewish", you would be the first to question its reliability. Next is the "Soviet POWS who turned out to be Jewish". Yes,everyone just happened to be Jewish by mere coincidence, they hadn't been been segregated from the general POW population and sent to Sobibor precisely because they were Jewish.
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[25] But Holocaust revisionism is no laughing matter. Pechersky was one of many Russian POWs captured in the Battle of Moscow and a German doctor giving him a medical examination found out he was circumsised and sent him to Sobibor for this reason. Your conflation of victim and perpetrator is a mockery of the dead. And lastly I'm not sure where you get the ideal that Epsom is "the usual chap", considering I barely interact with him. He's one of the many users who have complained about your behavior. Now have fun glossing over your ignorance in your reply with retorts about my age.--
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i believe life doesnt always have to be unfair. Theres always a cost benefit analysis, as in when its life or death. I dont care for martyrdom and for the people who choose death over honor or faith. (however i greatly respect people who die rather than implicate others a la salem witchcraft) But if its a choice between one lash for a false confession and five for maintaining my innocence id take the 5 lashes. Neither are fair but i think the former is a more grevious injury. This can get into philosophical territory ike would you rather kill one person or let 100 people die? Again everything is cost benefit. But this is tangential. I dont know what you want from me. -- Monochrome_ Monitor 20:55, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
You didn't hear anything I said. Gaming is done with the intent to harm the integrity of wikipedia, which was and is never my intent. I agreed to the original terms. 2 months of asking you for permission to make controversial edits. It's been two months. You are changing the terms of agreement. I quoted your own words, right there. Do tell me what orifice you pulled 6 months out of. And please stop misusing the WP pages. Righting great wrongs is for promoting OR in the belief you are setting the record straight. This has nothing to do with that. -- Monochrome_ Monitor 01:53, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
What you said could reasonably be construed as 4 months, two of ban and two of "guidance". Not indefinite. That would be grossly disproportionate and against the blocking policy.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 21:58, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
I believe you will no longer get involved in any issues involving the boards, and I beg you, yep, beg you to re-read all the points made over the months in many of the above threads both here, and on Nish's and my talkpages. I believe firmly that you have developed sufficiently to avoid vexatious editing and have achieved the necessary self-discipline to avoid drama. My model of mentoring was obviously stifling you, and perhaps ill-suited to your temperament. That was my misjudgement, and you have nothing to reproach yourself for there either. I will continuue to be open to re-negotiating a mentoring model that more suits your evolution on here and will always be open to that possibility. I will always be there for you G, and will always think of you kindly, and look forward to working with you for many years to come. Your friend, Simon. Irondome ( talk) 01:08, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
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Hi. I was wondering what you were objecting to on John Garfield? In what way does the current wording confuse the system and the method, or confuse the work of Strasberg with Adler and or Mesiner? I couldn't tell from the edits what you found troubling... Many thanks, • DP • {huh?} 02:59, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
It's based on a definition of method acting which lumps together Brando (Adler) and Dean (Strasberg), and it implies there's a linear connection between Garfield and the Method, when its more complicated. I wanted to use the technically correct definition (I'm a film and theatre geek, its common even within our circles to call adler and meisner method, but the orthodoxy and the film historians and critics still maintain a distinction) but since we are acknowledging the other definition its accurate on those grounds. Thank you for working with me on this. :) -- Monochrome_ Monitor 04:00, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
Are you absolutely sure you want your user page deleted? Do you want to think about it a bit? -- NeilN talk to me 00:32, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
Wikipedia has been really depressing for me lately and I've come to the conclusion that won't be changing in the future. So yes I'm not bluffing. Thank you for asking though. :)-- Monochrome_ Monitor 00:51, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
sorry to see you're apparently leaving, I enjoyed our discussions. If you are interested I can tell you about my own frustrations with Wikipedia and how I ended up handling them, just use the e-mail function if you don't care to talk in public. -- dab (𒁳) 19:28, 6 September 2016 (UTC) I'm not exactly leaving. I'm going off the record, on the QT and very hush-hush. So no worries. In fact I'll restore my talk page and eventually delete the drama .-- Monochrome_ Monitor 19:30, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
Hello MM, and glad to see you haven't left the project for good. I wanted to clear a few things up, since I noticed the arrangement was mentioned here.
Best of luck going forward. Seraphimblade Talk to me 20:28, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
In truth my mentorship ended two years ago. Since then Simon's been more of a guardian than a mentor. I'm quite well versed in the rules and regs of wikipedia. But thanks! :) -- Monochrome_ Monitor 17:38, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
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I find it totally unacceptable that you remove the fact that the population was all Muslim in the 1922, or 1931 census-data. Please don´t do that, and undo the ones you have removed. (say, like at Beit Iksa, Hizma etc) Huldra ( talk) 21:53, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
I thought it was obvious that if you start with "they were all muslim in 1800" and end with "they were all muslim in 1945", it can be assumed in the interim they were all muslim. At a certain point it becomes an issue of tone. I repeat, at a certain point it becomes an issue of TONE. See what I just did? That's not wikipedia's voice, it's mine. Wordings such as "they were still all muslim" and "segregation barrier" are not wikipedia's voice either, they are the words of an impassioned editor trying to convey a particular message. Of course the article is about a Palestinian village and its natural it would be biased towards that narrative. So I don't expect it to talk about the suicide bombings that killed hundreds of Israeli civilians leading directly to the establishment of the west bank barrier. Instead it describes the barrier and its effects on palestinians (and not Israelis)- again, all natural. You don't need to describe the barrier as segregation, which is blatantly POV, and should just let the reader decide based on the information that is offered them. Since the information offered is that israel (for mysterious reasons) wants to separate israelis in the west bank from palestinians and makes their lives miserable (for mysterious reasons) the message is sent implicitly. I'm being completely straight with you. Everyone knows articles edited only by editors in specific niches are naturally biased. What I'm saying is you can convey the same point you're trying to make in the voice of wikipedia rather than your voice- which from my perspective as a reader can sound angry at times.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 22:58, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
I don't recall saying never. You were totally essential the first few months of wikipedia, when I didn't understand the rules. Since you have been more like a guardian than a mentor to me, and I would most likely leave wp if you did. I didn't mean to diminish your efforts to keep me on the straight path.(Well, maybe I did, but it's a pride thing. I'd rather intentionally fail at a mentorship than unintentionally.) Also re Huldra I think you're putting it a bit lightly. :P The fact that they were all Muslim does not contribute significantly more to the article when stated the third and fourth time than it does the second and first.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 02:14, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
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I think it wholly unfair that you have attempted to alter the Assyrian continuity page, removing the mention of sourced and often modern experts, and placing an assertion that modern scholarship refutes any Assyrian continuity, something which is clearly not the case. The intro (and other sections) is balanced as it is, mentioning both those that support and those that refute. In addition, most of the references are in the main body of the page, and do not really need to be duplicated in the intro. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.100.25.101 ( talk) 10:21, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
My issue here is not that Joseph and Fiey were mentioned in the intro, it is balanced to mention them. It is more that the intro was weighted in favour of their opinions. It is not particularly impartial to suggest that their opinions are superior or the most accepted. The original intro mentioned both those in support and those against, which is perfectly balanced and fair. Particularly as there was no suggestion in said intro as to which set of opinions was correct.
Parpola is no less relevant than Joseph, who actually is not an Assyriologist. And neither are as eminent as Saggs and Frye,who both also support continuity.
You say to me you shouldn't rest your pride on descent from a dead civilization which was infamous for its brutality!!! In all honesty, what business is it of yours to tell me that? And what relevance does that have to the impartiality of the page? In addition, as Saggs himself says, much of the brutality was later Biblical propaganda; for example the Assyrians never carried out genocides and ethnic cleansing, which the Israelites certainly did.
Joseph is a well known proponent of Arameanism, noted Assyriologist-Iranologist Richard Nelson Frye disagrees with him strongly upon his assertions, particularly his claims about the term Suraye, Syrian, East Syrian. Modern scholarly opinion does too, as these terms etymologically derive from Assurayu/Assyrian, thus Assyrians were called Suraye many centuries before Levantine Arameans.
I have read Joseph's book, and he has his opinion, one which many disagree with. He should be quoted, but in no way at all be given primacy, nor should the article suggest his opinion is the prevailing and correct one.
The Kurdish, Arab, Jewish and Levantine mix does not stand up, genetic studies show Assyrians are homogenous ( Cavalli-Sforza), and they also predate the arrival of those other peoples by some considerable time. Nobody, of course, should claim the Assyrians are ethnically pure, some Assyrians do, and it is a nonsense, but there is pretty strong evidence to suggest that at root the modern Assyrian ancestry dates back to Ancient Mesopotamia, even UNPO accepts that the Assyrians are indigenous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.100.25.101 ( talk) 10:01, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
First off, Israelite "ethnic cleansing and genocides" are biblical propaganda. Read Israelites#Historical_Israelites, the book of Joshua is bullshit. And your characterization of descriptions of the brutality of the Assyrians as being biblical propaganda is odd. The Assyrians themselves boasted about their brutality against rebels and there's no reason to think the Israelites were an exception to that.
Joseph is not an Arameanist (believing in direct descent from the Arameans.) He believes Assyrians are more Aramean than Assyrian in the genealogical sense, but does not assign a specific national character to them. Homogeneity means they are a unique and distinct group- it doesn't mean they aren't a mixture of peoples. Look, I'm not saying that Assyrians are "Christian Arabs" as some do or denying they aren't indigenous. They aren't and they are. I'm not saying they have no link to ancient Assyrians whatsoever either. The Assyrians living in Assyria proper likely have some Assyrian roots, but there's no reason for Syriac Christians in Syria, whose population was majority Aramean since the Iron Age, to be "Assyrian". That is personally what bothers me about Assyrianism- it dominates wikipedia and absorbs communities that don't consider themselves Assyrian.Now in my view both Arameanism and Assyrianism are problematic as pan-Syriac movements claiming exclusive legitimacy for their identity. For extreme Assyrianism this means claiming the Syriac-speaking people of the entirety Mesopotamia and sometimes some of the Levant as "Assyrian" merely because the Neo-Assyrian Empire conquered those places (because everyone in the roman empire is a roman) and for extreme Arameanism this means claiming all Neo-Aramaic speakers as Arameans because of their language.
When I say John Josephs view is a majority that is from secondary sourcing. I literally looked up "most scholars think assyrian nationalism" (no quotes) to find it. But the way you edited it from most to some is completely fine considering I only had one source for that, its better to be nuanced. What you say about Assyrians being called Suraye before arameans arrived is untrue, considering 1. the word Suraye itself is Aramaic, and 2. "Syrian" is a Greek word inconsistently applied, there are many examples equating Syrian with Aramean, most notably the Septaguint, which translates "Aramean" as "Syrian". It is clear that the word Syria is derived from Assyria, but that doesn't mean Syrian is derived from Assyrian. If that were true than the British would be Britons (a roman celtic tribe) because they live in Britain which is derived from the roman word Britannia, land of the Britons. A similarly empty argument is pointing out that many provinces were called derivatives of "Assyria" after Assyria. That does not testify to the continuity of Assyrians, only to the continuity of Assyria as a toponym. The most legitimate arguments for continuity would be a continuity in language or culture, as Coptic is a direct descendant of Ancient Egyptian. Claims that modern Assyrians speak Ancient Assyrian are bullshit, and claims of "akkadian inflection" (distinct from loanwords, even Hebrew has Akkadian words) are poorly supported.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 11:16, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
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Thinking more broadly about kin liability/sippenhaft, I came to the conclusion that, logically, the Christian patristic argument from Matthew 27:25 that planted the seedbed of classic anti-Semitism , i.e. that since the Sanhedrin killed Jesus, and the crowd applauded all Jews by descent (the family of Jews) were ontologically culpable of deicide, is a generalized early form of sippenhaftung. I haven't had time to do much checking, but the connection even there is not apparently made. Worth thinking over. Of course this whole mess is based on conceoptual confusion, the inability to distinguish hypernym and hyponym (things like sippenhaft and the Chinese variants being subsets of collective punishment, restricted to immediate or clan kin. Regards Nishidani ( talk) 22:02, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
Well it all depends whether we want to focus on the historic germanic term or on the concept found in many cultures that kin of a member is liable for the members actions. There's probably an evolutionary psychological/environmental discussion of it somewhere. Ex Bedouin law is very much shaped by being in the desert. As for the patristic argument, yeah that's strong evidence that anti-semitism from at least christian times was never wholly or even mostly religious. After all the Jewish religion is named after the Jewish people, not vise versa. Another example is that Spanish priests had to prove their last 3 generations weren't marranos before being ordained, difficult to distinguish from the Aryan certificate necessary in the SS. At any rate there is definitely an ethnic basis for Common Era antisemitism. Islam to a somewhat lesser extent has this feature also, the quran saying jews killed all the prophets and containing verses many modern muslims interpret to mean all jews are descendents of apes and pigs ( mystically in human form). Of course the righteous among the jews who recognize Christianity/Islam as the True Religion of God can be forgiven because it validates the claims of both religions to be the True People of God. Jesus couldn't convert most jews in his lifetime with the notable exceptions of the jerusalem church/ebionites/nazarenes, who were condemned as heretic judiazers and anathematized by the 3rd century, unfortunately for those looking for the historical jesus and not The Christ God-Man of Paul. Muhammad did a much worse job winning over the Children of Israel, there's a sura (or sunna/hadith?) about him trying to get at least 12 jews to convert (not an arbitrary number) and he couldn't. And that was in the Mecca period where he basically parroted jewish theology. The epitome of supercessionism was the mythical journey to heaven where the Jewish prophets and the Jewish false prophet (lol, with all do respect to jesus the world did not end in a generation) bowed down to him, and on Mount Zion to boot according to hadith. In the Medinan period he distinguished his religion from Judaism, notably by changing the qibla to the traditional arab pagan site of worship and inventing a story about Abraham and Isaac (both muslims of course) building the thing. He converted some jews, mostly by force. But I digress. The blood curse is not the same thing as sippenhaft even in its nazi form. It's not kin liabilty, it's the liability of an entire people to the nth generation, a sort of original sin reserved for Jews alone that can only be cleaned by the Blood of the Lamb. I can't think of a comparable phenomenon, calling an entire people cursed. It's volkhaft. And don't talk about Amalek because Amalek doesn't exist and don't talk about Settler Rabbis who say he does in the form of Palestinians because they are small minority. What else... oh yeah. What bothers me the most about the blood curse is not that it caused our people great suffering for thousands of years. I'm an American Jew so I know next to nothing about this suffering except when I read comments sections on the internet. (though that may change with our new leader) What bothers me most of all is that it is PURE BULLSHIT. They make pontius pilate a passive bystander who doesn't crucify people without good reason and lets jews crucify people will-nilly when history records that he was an asshole who crucified a shitton of people and tolerated no dissent. "Jews killed Jesus" is an invention to make Christianity more palatable to the Romans. It's not even volkhaft , it's falschevolkhaft. Anydangway. I'm starting to think sippenhaft shouldn't be a separate page. We should merge with collective punishment or rename to "kin liability".-- Monochrome_ Monitor 23:28, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
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Although the overall plan for the GPO was as a mass deportation scheme, the goal of it was still ethnic cleansing on a large scale, through any means neccessary. The final solution enacted by the Nazi's to cleanse jewry from europe also originally proposed deportation as the primary method of moving them, however we know how this turned out. The intentions of it, the hunger plan, and other similar plots, was undoubtedly the following: The removal and potential extermination of those classified "inferior races": Ethnic slavs for the most part. There is 0 doubt it was genocide. Numbers and reasons you could contest but not that aspect.
The actual effect of the GPO was primarily undergone through mass famine orchestrated as part of the war effort, however, millions were still executed or killed off by the military as accordance to the plan. If this orchestrated famine doesn't count as genocide, neither should the holodomor and numerous other events listed on the "List of Genocides" page, since that was almost in its entirety famine deaths, and even to this day remains more controversial than the GPO to its causes and the intents. The wikipedia page on the holodomor's causes describes it almost in its entirely by bad rationing plans and unreasonable production goals, listing nothing to do with *ethnic cleansing*, but instead leads the soviets intents towards democide or classicide (is that a word?) to remove the kulak class and potential dissidents from existance instead, which does not belong on the genocide page. If then the holodomor counts as genocide, despite barely fitting the definition set out by the UN, why should the GPO not, which clearly matches that same definition? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.152.65.1 ( talk) 18:14, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
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Can you review this page? You seem familiar with this topic. The article is essay-like and mostly OR, rather than being informative. Primary sources are the another issue. I tried to fix some SYNTH, falsifications and OR, but the individual is very determined and probably will do the same problematic edits in the future. 5.61.40.46 ( talk) 16:59, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
Furthermore, the user, for unknown motivation, tries to represent the mostly semi-arid, flat region as if geography of the Alps. It simply misleads the readers. Again, smells like SOAP. 5.61.40.46 ( talk) 19:20, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
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Some of the sources on this page are from the 90s which seems pretty outdated. The latest sources seem to be from early 2000s even though newer studies have been published since then. I want your permission if I can cite a 2008 study on sex differences in intelligence with a sample size of 7000....and I am asking this because I don't want my edit undone.This is the study I want to cite and edit with:
I also want to delete the sources from 1999 and 1998 because they are too old and update them with other newer sources that I have. What's your take?
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HELLO!
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Thanks for the extra towns in Turkey! Any contribution is greatly appreciated. Pbfreespace3 ( talk) 03:11, 23 August 2015 (UTC) |
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Some of the sources on this page are from the 90s which seems pretty outdated. The latest sources seem to be from early 2000s even though newer studies have been published since then. I want your permission if I can cite a 2008 study on sex differences in intelligence with a sample size of 7000....and I am asking this because I don't want my edit undone.This is the study I want to cite and edit with:
I also want to delete the sources from 1999 and 1998 because they are too old and update them with other newer sources that I have. What's your take?
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WOW! You have really helped he Turkish map forward. However, there are a couple of things to remember. Firstly, you should source all edits about Kurdish control, by including the source link in the edit description. Secondly, if there is ever fighting going on in a city, you should use this icon: 80x80-lime-yellow-anim.gif This icon will change soon, because we are introducing new colors for Turkey and possibly Kurds soon. Please source edits. Pbfreespace3 ( talk) 16:22, 23 August 2015 (UTC) |
Welldone. I haven't tracked you, so these compliments attesting to your continued presence here and the excellence of your contributions is refreshing news. Keep up the good work. Nishidani ( talk) 16:44, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
I do think Jews have more rights in Israel than WP (and the international community) recognizes,
But I'm done talking now. Thanks again!
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Your work on the Turkish map really is tireless. I had expected I would be one of the only people working on the map, as it is a truly underreported conflict at the moment, but here you are making the map great. Thank you, and keep up the good work. Pbfreespace3 ( talk) 22:18, 24 August 2015 (UTC) |
First, the border crossings need to be placed under the dots of control of the border crossings. This is the visual style implemented on all other maps. To do this, simply place the border crossing icon before the control icon on the module, and it will appear correctly.
Second, the carte interactive de Kurdistan cannot be used. In general, we can't use other maps to edit this map, as it is unencyclopedic.
Third, the lime color was chosen to avoid confusion with the Syrian and Iraqi governments. Sunni government groups should, in general, be shown as green. André437 is making darker green icons for our use on this map, and they should be ready soon.
Fourth, cities and towns should be size-marked based on an average of 2 factors: geographical size and population density. On the Syria map, I typically mark a village with 100 houses bigger than a 40 house village of the same geographic size. So both population and size are factors.
Fifth, we're going to use the yellow color for both PKK azd "declared autonomy". In most cases, these are actually pretty close to the same thing, just a difference of branding. This may change in the future, if more groups appear/infighting occurs.
So far you have done an excellent job on the map. Keep going, and just post on my talk page if you have any questions; that's how I'll get the message quickest. Pbfreespace3 ( talk) 20:42, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
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Hello, the removal of two entire sections in that article is unacceptable.-- Makeandtoss ( talk) 20:40, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
He's not a prominent Jewish scholar. His work is highly controversial and was described in a new york times review as anti-semitic. Also, his field of expertise is not Nazism. -- Monochrome_ Monitor 00:03, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
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This isn't a self-published source. It's a link to a record of a primary source. Such a thing is very common. -- Monochrome_ Monitor 08:40, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
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Hello there @ NeilN:. I understand why I was blocked but your "sentence" seems heavy-handed. I mean, I can't edit talkpages. Also, 99% of my edits are not Arab-Israeli whatever. Can you just block me from Arab-Israeli for a week and not every article? -- Monochrome_ Monitor 19:52, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
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I think you contribute valuable and balanced insight on the topic at hand. Thank you for the hard work on such a volatile subject.
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Oh dear I appreciate that immensely but I have absolutely no idea what you are referring to. -- Monochrome_ Monitor 02:09, 16 November 2015 (UTC) @ Jasphetamine: Ding! -- Monochrome_ Monitor 03:02, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
Dammit some jerk changed the population again. It was good before!!!! -- Monochrome_ Monitor 04:01, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
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Just realized the man who graced me with rotating barnstars has been blocked indefinitely. RIP Pbfreespace. -- Monochrome_ Monitor 15:01, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
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Your work on the Turkish map really is tireless. I had expected I would be one of the only people working on the map, as it is a truly underreported conflict at the moment, but here you are making the map great. Thank you, and keep up the good work. Nishidani ( talk) 15:05, 23 November 2015 (UTC) |
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I pronounce cot/caught like the lady in the example ogg. To me she doesn't sound like she has an accent! -- Monochrome_ Monitor 21:46, 25 December 2015 (UTC) @ Nishidani: -- Monochrome_ Monitor 21:53, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
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To You and Yours!
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Your work and mine seems to intersect in many articles; I recall doing some "touch-up" on Charles Lindbergh and Marlon Brando, and seeing your contributions. As an aside, some of that time, when we "dared" to make alterations to the holy script, we both also invoked the wrath of other editors that had more than a passing interest in some of those touchstone articles. FWiW Bzuk ( talk) 13:20, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
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Thank you! I LOVE BAKLAVA! How did you know? Sorry for lashing out on the talk page. :) I'm pro Kurdish independence and unification, but I don't want anyone to think my bias and others' is affecting the neutrality of the page. -- Monochrome_ Monitor 19:20, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
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Is going forwards from the event while retrograde is before the event. Best Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 03:04, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
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@ Nishidani: Ugh. He hasn't given me any valid reason for the reversion of my edits... I hate the prevailing wikipedia attitude which is resistant to change and insists on discussions for the tiniest things which no one actually discusses. I hate being a wikidragon, it's exhausting. -- Monochrome_ Monitor 03:15, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
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Hi. Comparing the last few edits at Jews, I noticed that two sources were removed. [3] Why? Debresser ( talk) 09:23, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
Monochrome Monitor, few people go to a category page to read a description of the category (which doesn't exist on most category pages) and I doubt that the average editor who is categorizing an article will do so before deciding whether to categorizing an individual as
Jewish or
People of Jewish descent.
You have no authority to write a statement like "If this category is used without
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peoplehood"
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Wikipedia:Categorization/Ethnicity, gender, religion and sexuality and you can not unilaterally impose additional restrictions on editors beyond those that are contained in this guideline especially because these qualifications didn't arise out of a discussion on
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism and seem to be of your own design.
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Hi,
I noticed you added some links to Attachment therapy including an APSAC report. I just thought I'd mention that a while back the article about APSAC was deleted. I noticed and requested a copy of it in my userspace to see if I could salvage it. Unfortunately I haven't had the time to give it a good shot and it's still there, in rough shape. If you're digging into relevant resources as it is, maybe you could dump any you find that are about APSAC in some way, on that talk page (or have at it directly, in which case you could move it into your userspace if you wanted).
It's here: User:Rhododendrites/American Professional Society on the Abuse of Children.
Thanks — Rhododendrites talk \\ 02:25, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
How did you make your userpage name to appear in green? Debresser ( talk) 16:39, 6 February 2016 (UTC) CLick edit on my page to view to source :D @ Debresser:-- Monochrome_ Monitor 17:05, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
Hello Monochrome Monitor! I was looking to your job with the Turkish Insurgency template for a time, and I saw that you are the major responsible for the editions and updates of this war, or proto-war, whatever... Well, I am making a video for Youtube, one animated map with the Syrian and Iraqi Civil Wars and the subsequent Lebanese, and why not, Turkish spillovers. Will be a everyday video, and it is consuming my free time in this week. Now I am already in 2014 in the map, and I see that I need some assistance with a better speacialist about Turkey than me (my only exp with Turkey regions was in Europa Universalis IV when I tried to recover Byzantium lol haha). More specifically, the evolution of the insurgency since the PKK rebellion until today, only a some data. Which and when each city fell. Can you help me? Leonardo Cebin ( disse e fiz) 04:20, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
I understand. Also, I was searching and seems that the 90s rebellion was much more worse than these, so probably this rebellion will not end with something big, only guerrillas and atacks to police forces. Well, I had some problem with the Hezbollah lines in my videomap, so I was stucked in 2014, but finally I reach now July 24, 2015, so the hour to paint a color in Turkey has come. I learnt much with the related Wiki articles and some things more, and think I can walk alone in this, but it has a hole that can not find sources. I need dates. What sources have you used to verify which cities have proclaimed autonomy? All the changes occur in August/September, and since October cease-fire, none changes have been reported? And in addition to Cizre, another city was conquered by the Turks? If you can help me, thank you!
More one thing. I found a source of news that I think that you will like: [4] A simple Wikipedian ( said and did) 06:52, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
I think that the Finklestein para should be restored. I didn't put it up originally: I remember that there was a lot of discussion when it was put in. I just edited it to respond to the flag that it needed more explanation. I tried to clarify briefly what his book says. It was an important book which documents its points well. It initiated a lot of discussion re: the uniqueness issue, and I believe that it forced historians to re-examine the claims to uniqueness. For that reason, I think that it is more than a fringe contribution. At the same time partly because of the Holocaust Industry, but mainly because of his continual support for the Palestinians he has earned the wrath of many supporters of Israel. Over the years, I have read a number of attempts to refute his research and writing and have yet to be convinced that he is unreliable. Joel Mc ( talk) 16:44, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
His theory that Jews in America "invented" the holocaust and are using it to extort europe and defend Israel is patent, and dangerous, nonsense.
Oh that's terrible. I have never forgiven myself for accidentally killing a tadpole by putting it in water which was too warm. Hopefully you'll get plenty opportunity to redeem yourself in the eyes of the snake gods. -- Monochrome_ Monitor 19:46, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
Well, we already mentioned Hilberg. Of course he likes him, he's his "hero", they are likeminded. So he's not exactly representative of a neutral majority... -- Monochrome_ Monitor 13:21, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
Oy! However you word it. I'm trying to defuse the confrontation.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 16:29, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
'In a Jewish hamlet in the vast Tsarist empire, there's a community of ultra-orthodox Jews of impressive distinction. Their rabbi was an outstanding authority on the kabbalah. One day, the rabbi sees one of the members of his congregation arrive at his home pallid and panting, his brow beaded with cold sweat, who says: 'Rabbi, hear me out!' Worried by his appearance, the Rabbi says:'Yankele, sit down. What on earth have you seen, Satan himself?' 'No, it's worse than that.' 'Oh dear, good grief. Well, tell me all about it.' 'Well, Rabbi. I was making breakfast, with a hunk of black bread, plenty of butter, and I was spreading the butter on the bread, with a cup of hot sugared tea and. .' The Rabbi breaks in.'Goodness me, Yankele. You ae being silly, aren't you? You come here and all you have to tell me is about your breakfast?' 'Hang on, Rabbi, just let me finish, please! Well then, I was smacking my lips, looking forward to the bounty when, out of the blue,, my cat leapt up onto the table and caused the slice of bread to fall onto the floor. Now, you go tell me what side of the bread hit the floor?' 'Don't be a moron, Yankele. It's a simple matter of physics. It fell on the buttered side.' 'No, rabbi! It fell on the unbuttered side.'At this point, the rabbi himself also was astonished, and the blood left his face. He said: 'Are you pulling my leg? Look, this is a serious matter, it's a mystical thing.' 'Rabbi, I swear to you that's what happened. And I have witnesses'. 'Go home, Yankele. This is something I have to look more deeply into.' So the Rabbi began to undertake his research, took down books on the Kabbalah, and began to write letters to all of the kabbalists the world over, to those who dwell in the most reclusive depths of Jerusalem, to those of the splendid Jewish community of Prague, to Petersburg and New York, everywhere. Letters were exchanged, responsa give, all pulling apart various conclusions arrived at, so everything had to be re-examined all over again. Three years, for three years, this intense activity by the great rabbis continued. Then at last, one day, Yankele got word that he had been summoned by his Rabbi. He arrives, red in the face, overcome with emotion, and the Rabbi says to him: 'Yankele, take a seat. Listen to me. We've managed it at last. For three full years we have worked for you. The whole world of the Kabbalah has worked on your behalf alone. And finally we have come to a unanimous conclusion- the one and only possible conclusion. My dear Yankele, to explain what happened in your case there is only one answer, one alone. Yankele, you buttered the wrong side of the bread. [1]
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I reverted your edit to Jewish history because it copied and pasted text from another Wikipedia article. Doing that violates Wikipedia's licenses, which require attribution to all users who created and altered the content of a page.
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This module is always vandalized by Turks. So you can add an Semi-protection ? Kordestani ( talk) 02:45, 2 March 2016 (UTC) I don't have the permissions for that, but I can ask. I agree, lots of people blank the page, it's really bad. -- Monochrome_ Monitor 01:54, 2 March 2016 (UTC) Thanks for reverting that shit. What a pain. -- Monochrome_ Monitor 01:59, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
I did not understand that what is an town is in Bingöl province as conflict. So there is no conflict in Bingöl province and you can remove that ?. Kordestani ( talk) 17:43, 3 March 2016 (UTC) I have seen it before. It drives me craaaaaaazy and I can't figure out how to get rid of it. 17:27, 3 March 2016 (UTC) Working on it. -- Monochrome_ Monitor 17:57, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
Alacakaya is an district of Elazığ Province but this town located in Diyarbakır Province on this map.. Location of Alacakaya is wrong and should be corrected. Kordestani ( talk) 19:20, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
I said I removed Sapata in the edit summary but I didn't... weird. Thanks for catching that! -- Monochrome_ Monitor 18:30, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
Re this Canaanites 'The Canaanites themselves inhabited the region since the 8th millennium BCE.' That appears to be sourced, but is utter nonsense. A little reflection would tell you it is meaningless, since we cannot use an ethnonym like that to speak of the deep past. It is technically impossible to identify a specific people that far back.
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A certain user seems to be reverting your edits on Sikh-related articles, adding back in the "genocide" category. Any idea who the master (if there is one) might be? Thanks, GAB Hello! 20:10, 19 March 2016 (UTC) Some guy named alpha mp. It's silly how wikipedians with povs always add stuff about their favored group into genocide categories. Like, there's been some absolute bullshit stuff in there. Wikipedia needs to seriously have a decision about whether to follow the mainstream and legal definition of genocide (intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part) or to cave to everyone's special interests. It's ridiculous how in this topic people don't use mainstream definitions because they are "too exclusive". And I'm not being super picky and only including genocides recognized by multiple states or authorities. It's the same with the holocaust too. In our WP:CATEGORYies we offer the conflicting syllogism of: The holocaust is a genocide. Not a genocide atrocity (ie killing of jehovah's witnesses, siege of stalingrad) is part of the holocaust. Therefore not a genocide is a genocide. Actually only jews and roma faced genocide according to the definition. Well, counting the utashe (I would consider them different genocides but some group them together) Serbs too.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 21:15, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
Hello MM. It looks like you are trying to move Semitic people. Just now you created Talk:Semitic peoples by cut-and-paste. This isn't usually done and may need to be fixed by an admin. It would be better for you to make a proposal for what you want to do, at least at WP:RMTR. Thank you, EdJohnston ( talk) 02:44, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
NOT being facetious -- Monochrome_ Monitor 02:48, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
- "Comment - This is going to be an WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument, but I only bring it up to rebut the argument that "We don't have an "Indo European people" article either. There is no such "people"." While it may be true that we don't have an Indo European people article (yet), these "Foo peoples"-type articles, where "Foo" is a language group are quite common on WP. We have: Indo-Aryan peoples, Tai peoples, Austronesian peoples, Polynesian peoples, Uralic peoples, Pearic peoples, Finno-Ugric peoples, Samoyedic peoples, Celtic peoples, need I go on? I'm not saying this article, as currently written, is particularly good, but "Semitic peoples" is a valid concept. It just needs to be rewritten with a different focus.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 21:12, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
The trick is in the plural -s. It might indeed be possible to write an article about the many different Semitic peoples and their history. ·maunus · snunɐɯ· 21:34, 15 December 2015 (UTC)"
- "Ah, yes, the plural -s. I'd just assumed this was already at "Semitic peoples". I would have sworn I saw an "s" up there. Funny the way the brain works (or doesn't) sometimes. In any case, it doesn't invalidate the point, it just means the article should be moved to Semitic peoples."-- William Thweatt Talk Contribs 22:24, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
- "If it is unclear, my point and initial proposal is exactly the same as that put forward by Maunus. As for there not being an Indo-European cultures article either, good, there shouldn't be. But there is an article about Proto-Indo-Europeans. FunkMonk ( talk) 04:35, 16 December 2015 (UTC)"
-- Monochrome_ Monitor 16:57, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia. Please do not remove Categories for discussion notices from category pages, or remove other people's comments in Categories for discussion debates, as you did with Semitic peoples. Otherwise, it may be difficult to create consensus. If you oppose the deletion, merger, or renaming of a category, please comment at the respective page instead.
It is particularly disturbing that you were warned once, [6] and still did this again. [7]
If you had not participated in the discussion at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_January_26#Category:Semitic_peoples, you could have done a WP:Non-admin closure on it, but having disagreed with the proposal, you should have left it to run its course. As it is, removing the CFD tag from the page looks as if you were seeking to avoid drawing attention to the discussion. – Fayenatic L ondon 12:06, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
If you see the intro at WP:AADD, it makes it clear that the reasoning in it generally applies to deletion-of-content not just deletion of page discussions, and see the first link referred to, a section at WP:AADP, which is written more generally; it's the exact same "this has to be kept because I saw it somewhere else on here" reasoning. I appreciate the self-revert, but really this should probably just be WP:RFCed, since having or not having flag icons at one article isn't going to address the use or non-use of them at the rest. I also have no desire to squabble about it, it's just a community review that needs to be made. I think MOS:ICONS is pretty clear, and there are good reasons to not use flag icons in a case like this, but WP:MILHIST regulars might feel differently; I can't read their minds. :-) — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 20:21, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement in a few minutes regarding your recent edits. Oncenawhile ( talk) 20:18, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
Don't appeal to authority! I don't think he's reliable because his views are so fringe. I suppose that's not synonymous with being an unreliable source... but god, his theories are outlandish. He thinks Sephardic Jews are descended from Berbers, how bizarre. Anyway, it's not about him, it's about the article being a soapbox for minority views, which is mentioned on the talk page. -- Monochrome_ Monitor 21:27, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
Thanks Simon, that's very kind of you :) You've been a huge blessing to me. I'll get to Dr. Strangelove when you've finished copyediting Shakshouka! -- Monochrome_ Monitor 22:49, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi MM,
Thanks for your willingess to help with mentorship. I saw your comment at Cullen328 ( talk · contribs). I am 100% ready to work with you and I promise not to disappoint you.
Thank you. Wikic¤l¤gy t@lk to M£ 17:27, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
Welp, I was offered mentorship for three months and avioiding ARBPIA for a while. But what Mentorship is exactly? I found WP:MENTOR to be lacking a lot of important details and I also not sure who will be the mentor (although IronDome offered himself). I stopped violating 1RR rule long ago (long ago means September) and I don't remember an incident when I actually violated a consensus while knowing it exists.. I am starting to think that Mentorship is maybe useless, and people offered it only because of a heated debate between a mute person (me) and deaf people (some of the rest). So what is really mentorship?-- Bolter21 ( talk to me) 15:30, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
Your editing behavior has become disturbingly puerile on this topic. I jhave absolutely no ideological interest in this argument and I know it thoroughly. The page before, later, now and after will have structural problems, things to weed out or improve, but you get nowhere simply reverting blankly. Use the talk page before you jump the gun, like Galassi. Nishidani ( talk) 07:06, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
Your assertion that "it was a valid opinion in jewish scholarship before israel" is off-target. It has little to do with Israel. It's about European Jews and the Haskalah, and the stream of Jews fresh out of the ghettoes who did away with Yiddishkeit for socialism as soon as it was convenient. The Khazar nonsense was only entertained by a few intelligentsia as part of the extreme end of the stream of Jewish thought which sought to solve the jewish question by redefining what it means to be Jewish completely. Case in point, the reform movement in Germany and America declaring that Jews are not a people, but merely a religion. From its onset it was used to deny Jewish peoplehood, its no coincidence its supporters (wexler, elhaik) today do the same. Koessler himself said he advocated the theory as a way to make antisemitism obsolete. Of course, the alternative solution to antisemitism was to defend the jewish people by restoring the jewish state in zion. But it's not a question of pre-israel vs post-israel, it is a matter of being loved as a gentile or hated as a jew. That ultimatum precedes modern Zionism by milennia. In the glory days of the Labor Bund a significant number of quixotic jews preferred the former, but today most Jews prefer the latter, and the few who don't are rightfully deemed wicked sons.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 20:53, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
My flat is the top floor of the mansion block immediately facing the viewer, to the extreme right. You will notice the small balcony. You can see the sunlight reflecting off one of my French windows. The picture appears to have been taken at about 8 - 9pm on a summer evening judging by the shadows. The clothing appears to date it to approx 1908 - 1912. The play of light on the windows is still the same today. Seeing it in the commons gave me goosebumps. The Khazar's thing. It is a delightful aspect of Jewish history. I like the legend that the Khazars received delegations from the Christian, Islamic and Jewish faiths. Islam was rejected because the Khazars liked a drink. They were unimpressed by Christianity so chose Judiasm. My nan's family were Khazars. I get my colouring from my grandads' lot. In a hot summer I make the late Faud of Saudi Arabia look like a Norwegian ski instructor, whereas my nans lot had the colouring of Kirk Douglas. So what? After 15-1700 years we are all Jews now. These interminable arguments are a sign of insecurity MM. The politics do not help either in trying to find an academic way forward in a complex article. I have seen assurances from colleagues above that they would fight to keep nutters and anti-semites away. Wexler I believe to be wrong and his viewpoints sometimes odd, but the Jewish people will still be around in the morning, and so will Israel. Neither are going anywhere. Relax MM, and tame some example of your local wildlife. Love from Irondome ( talk) 22:22, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
KTAV Publishing House, Inc., 1997 pp.147-148. It should be in the article. Must rush (cheers Simon) Nishidani ( talk) 07:23, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
MM, I'm very sorry that you had an unpleasant experience earlier. Taken alone, the sock-puppeting and the COI autobiography issue might have been resolved without any serious action. Even the legal threat that he made could have been smoothed over. However, when editors began looking at his contributions, the true damage to the project became apparent. As someone said, that was "the line in the sand". The falsified medical articles were just the beginning.There are @ 500-plus articles to be read and corrected, plus references that he has added to other articles.This situation is really sad, for everyone. I suggest you read this section for an overview. First article I read: here. Random from today- click on the citations and compare them to the sentences: Nigerian Academy of Science, Isa Marte Hussaini. Then read this,and I think you will understand why people are so angry. Your good heart does you credit. It's much better to err on the side of kindness, than the side of cruelty, and I would send you a kitten, (if I knew how!) Love the "monotone monitor". (The first computer I used was a year or two older) Best wishes, Tribe of Tiger ( talk) 19:24, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for the replies on the "Workshop" page. They're greatly appreciated :) Claudia 20201 ( talk) 22:02, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi! Сan I invite you here: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_April_28#Category:Indo-European-speaking_peoples ? Cathry
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For the last time, meddling and frigging about with text in defiance of evidence (which may be partial or wrong, but can be correct) given on the talk page is tantamount to edit-warring. Go there before tampering with the text. Both Entine and Yanover are shit sources, but, unlike edit warriors, I haven't removed them. I try to get the nonsense they are pushing correctly paraphrased. But there are a whole bunch of issues there, even in paraphrase. Go to that page, but before you do, read Nadia Abu El-Haj,The Genealogical Science: The Search for Jewish Origins and the Politics of Epistemology, University of Chicago Press, 2012 pp,.120-3 (at least. And don't tell me she's of Palestinian origin and therefore suspect, since the same would apply to many of the 'Jewish' newspaper hacks used on that page, and at least she underwent peer-review in an academic publishing house noted for its severity about quality) I've been using that source for years, but no one reads it. They, like yourself, prefer self-grooming promotional snippets from newspapers. Don't reply here, please. Nishidani ( talk) 16:42, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
Maybe I too belong to Category:Wikipedians with way too much time on their hands, but I thought I'd point out that, on your user page, you change from third person to first person, not from plural to singular.
All the best:
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Farmbrough, 11:30, 25 May 2016 (UTC).
Mimi dear, this is a first! Let's raise one to it: you removed one of my more substantial edits, and I reversed it back, of course. And this while I'm hardly editing anymore :-)
Some smart newspaper guy - or municipality PR smart... donkey - made up the line "Jerusalem's age pushed back: now 7000 years old". BS. Shuafat has only been "included" (pro forma, administratively) into J'lem after 1967. Not 7k, 6k, 5k, 4k, 3k, 2k, 1k, 500 years ago, or 100 years ago - no, hardly 50. Finding Chalcolithic or other prehistoric traces in Shuafat and basing a new "birthday" for J'lem on that is... it starts with "bull" and ends beneath his tail. Take a better look at it and I hope we can leave it at this. I'm off & back to real life, cheers! Arminden
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Yes, Jerusalem. I have separated "Shuafat" and its prehistoric findings from "City of David & J'lem proper" and its own prehistory. Now Debresser has re-reverted... Once you get a ball rolling in the wrong direction, you can't stop it that easily anymore.
We do go back quite a while, so the tone between us "goes without saying". OK, now don't push me :-) Arminden
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You have my email??? / The discussion is ongoing on the talk page. Sorry, I have a "real life" backlog from here till Timbuktou :-) Arminden Arminden ( talk) 09:39, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
How does that work? I mean, being sure it doesn't go into the public domain? I'm kinda shy (or not, but that's the thing: Arminden can say anything, the other guy with an email... not so much). Arminden Arminden ( talk) 17:36, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
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It makes no difference whether one has 'decimate' or 'devastate', but the edit summary was incorrect. 'Decimate' etymologically means reduced by one tenth, and is still used in literate circles to mean the substantial reduction of a community or population, never its entire destruction. Nishidani ( talk) 20:50, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
You'd wear down the patience of Job. And half of your edits require wasting hours fixing them, when they are not irreparable. You are profoundly superficial and careless in your editing.
Christian commentators have long been concerned with the fate of the ten lost tribes. Prester John placed them somewhere in Inner Asia. Matthew Paris speculated that the Tartars could be from the ten lost tribes. However, Christian commentators and polemicists described the Khazars as a people without a known faith
@ Jonney2000: tell me what you think about the version I just put out. The intro keeps the current one's basic structure with the exception of deleting a quote I think gives a false balance.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 00:44, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
Hello. In this edit summery you wrote that "Canaanite" and "Phenocian" are the same thing. You might know this and you might not, but,
The city states on the coast of Lebanon and modern-day northern Israel coast were called "Phenocian" by the Greeks and the Romans. All of those spoke (dialects of) the "Phenocian" langauge and they were sometimes federated and sometimes dominated by one city state (if I am not wrong it was for the most part Sidon). Those people called themselves "Cannanites" and they indeed lived in (parts of) Canaan. The problem is the Romans and Greeks have ruined historical etymologoy. They created the "Palestine" thing and renamed Aram as "Syria" which I mourn until this day. It's a sad thing that people say "Judea is a name that refers to hill region in southern Palestine".
So don't assume that because logically you are right, that Phenocians are technically Cannanites, but historiography is annoying and we have to work according to it.
Someone told me recently that I am patronizing, so if you feel that way, it wasn't intended.-- Bolter21 ( talk to me) 12:42, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
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Stop tag-teaming me with your Zionist friend. No sooner do I edit an article on Zionism than I get irritating messages on my talk page. Do not post there again. -- BowlAndSpoon ( talk) 23:34, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
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The measure adopted is one that will cause you some grief, and, probably anger against myself. The latter is neither here nor there. It's far more severe than what I expected. Wiki however is like reality itself: things never play out as one anticipates. If it is any consolation, I was permabanned for 9 reverts over several articles in 49 days. I took it on the chin, as Foreman did in Zaire, and only got back because, unknown to me, two editors from either 'side' (Ravpapa/Nableezy) thought that after some time spent in the cooler, I should be invited back unconditionally. Oddly, their proposal was accepted. I say 'oddly' because normally one was expected to make a personal plea. I didn't. I was raised never to whinge, let alone 'grease' one's way back into someone's good graces. I think you should reflect on the psychodynamics of what happened: all it needed from you, once Simon put in his avuncular suggestion, was a sign of contrite regret ('Sorry' is enough) and some imagination ('I accept Simon's offer, but will extend the voluntary wiki break for a month,'etc) to convince the board you recognized you'd gone beyond the limit. When I came back from my permaban, I imposed on myself a discipline of self-suspension, for a month each time, whenever I made an infraction, even if no one reported me. I was off Wikipedia on several occasions. The aim is, whatever the group dynamics and power plays out there, ignore them: make the battleground one's own impatience, intolerance, self-conceit, or whatever the focus, and expect of oneself higher standards than the community requires. At a certain age, one gets slack, and I found this a corrective spur to fend off the complaisance of being 'grown up'. If you parse what Simon said, it was the opposite of throwing you under the bus: he went out on a limb, allowing you to see the stress this incident caused, while nonetheless making a last minute bid to stave off a sanction which, I suspect, he might have thought deep down, to be due, but which his empathy and avuncular care obliged him to ward off. You missed that, by expressing disappointment at what struck you as a failure to back you to the hilt. All nurture begins with indulgence, but the hardest thing in parenting is to apply the rod, those forms of angry reproval or punitive actions (I would be locked as a child in the laundry if I didn't eat my greens, or don an animal costume) that send us the message that indulgence has its limits. The limitation is only on two article, esp. the Khazar hypothesis which I am not now rushing to 'fix' unilaterally by undoing your work. If I edit it, it will be after collegial agreements with Jonney and anyone else, on the talk page. By all means revert this if you think it condescending. Nishidani ( talk) 15:21, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
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The sources you cited in your recent edit to Palestinians were mostly garbage. What makes www.nusseibeh.org, a family website, a reliable source? America.pink, another of your sources, is a Wikipedia mirror and thus not a reliable source. You cited a book by "Joudah", but neglected to provide any meaningful information that might help an interested reader find it. (See WP:CITEHOW.) And you cited a dead link on the website of Al Riyadh. Please fix the citation problems. Thank you. — MShabazz Talk/ Stalk 02:17, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
You do have a wikipedia page :P -- Monochrome_ Monitor 04:38, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
Please stop. Your edit is nonsensical ("Black Hebrew Israelitism are groups") and poorly sourced. Please read and follow WP:LEAD and WP:UNDUE. In what world is a tabloid-style news article about a murder given more weight than multiple academic sources? The SPLC report is mentioned in the article already -- and given appropriate weight. If you have concerns about the article, please start a talk page discussion. Thank you. — MShabazz Talk/ Stalk 19:00, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
vandalism. -- Monochrome_ Monitor 19:07, 22 June 2016 (UTC) And please clarify what "academic sources" contradict my edits. None of them do.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 19:11, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
I didn't use black zion as a cite, I left it uncited, but that could be easily fixed.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 20:08, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
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I have no interest in editing the Palestinians article.
Since you seem to you should read page 122
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Thanks jonney, you're always awesome.--
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This article is under WP:1RR due to ARBPIA. It my be in your interest to undo your last edit. Thank you, EdJohnston ( talk) 02:17, 1 July 2016 (UTC) Thank you for telling me but the date says it's a new day. :) -- Monochrome_ Monitor 02:54, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
At Dahiya doctrine. Please self-revert and instead of imposing your will through reverts attempt to gain a consensus at the talk page. nableezy - 03:30, 1 July 2016 (UTC) There's nothing to talk about. Reverts should not be used wantonly- as you reverted me. It's obvious that the term is a politically motivated label not supported by the content of the page. Namely it accuses israel of "state terrorism", a fringe concept, and in the case of Israel riddled with anti-semitic motifs. It's a ridiculous characterization.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 03:45, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
And what personal attacks are you referring to exactly? Me saying "stop POV pushing"? -- Monochrome_ Monitor 08:09, 1 July 2016 (UTC) I am sorry for my tone, it sounds hostile but unfortunately that's way I debate things.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 08:14, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
You are talking about causation. I am talking about correlation. Richard Falk has anti-semitic views [1], he only proves my point. He is jewish by ethnicity but that doesn't mean anything. Gilad Atzmon is an admitted antisemite [2], and falk endorsed him. If a black man is president of the KKK, does that mean he's not a racist? (that's a reference to the chapelle show) Hated minorites can internalize their hatred and direct it at their in-group, it's not just a jewish thing. Nor does it matter where he was educated. He's a 9/11 "truther" [1] who posted a blatantly antisemitic cartoon. As for Erdogan, you are talking about biographies of living persons- meaning I can't call him a loony on his article. That's fair. It doesn't mean I can't engage in free speech on my own talk page. -- Monochrome_ Monitor 17:28, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
'I came across an interesting insight into the subject of anti-Semitism. It goes like this: ‘While in the past an “anti-Semite” was someone who hates Jews, nowadays it is the other way around, an anti-Semite is someone the Jews hate’.
I'm glad you two can find things to agree on. [12] (I'm actually horrified)-- Monochrome_ Monitor 12:56, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
I never mentioned iran.
We must begin to take the accusation that the Jewish people are trying to control the world very seriously.... American Jewry makes any debate on whether the 'Protocols of the elder of Zion' are an authentic document or rather a forgery irrelevant. American Jews do try to control the world, by proxy. So far they are doing pretty well for themselves at least.
The Protocols is widely considered a forgery. It is a manual for a prospective new member of the “Elders”, describing how they will run the world through control of the media and finance, replacing the traditional social order with one based on mass manipulation. Though the book is considered a hoax by most experts and regarded as a vile anti-Semitic text, it is impossible to ignore its prophetic qualities and its capacity to describe both the century unfolding and the political reality in which we live.
You may wonder at this stage whether I regard the credit crunch as a Zionist plot. In fact it is the opposite. It is actually a Zionist accident. The patient didn’t make it to the end. This Zionist accident is a glimpse into Political Zionism’s sinister agenda. This Zionist accident provides us with an opportunity to see that as far as misery is concerned, we are together with the Palestinians, the Iraqis and the Afghans. We share one enemy.
It is rather obvious that some Jews are rather unhappy with Charles Dickens’ Fagin and Shakespeare’s Shylock who they regard as ‘anti Semitic’. I get the impression that the prominent Zionist enthusiast and London Barrister Anthony Julius would like to see these cultural iconic characters diminished from popular discourse... It doesn’t take a genius to gather why Julius and others are concerned with Fagin or Shylock. Fagin is the ultimate plunderer, a child exploiter and usurer. Shylock is the blood-thirsty merchant. With Fagin and Shylock in mind Israeli barbarism and organ trafficking seem to be just other events in an endless hellish continuum....As much as Julius and others would like to remove some crucial stereotypes from our collective cultural discourse, they can actually expect the complete opposite. Fagin and Shylock are now more popular than ever before. Devastatingly enough, it is Fagin and Shylock who shed light over the Jewish state and its lobbies around the world. Fagin is neither alone nor is he an isolated fictional episode.
65 years after the liberation of Auschwitz we should reclaim our history and ask why? Why were the Jews hated? Why did European people stand up against their next door neighbours? Why are the Jews hated in the Middle East, surely they had a chance to open a new page in their troubled history? If they genuinely planned to do so, as the early Zionists claimed, why did they fail? Why did America tighten its immigration laws amid the growing danger to European Jews?
If there is one Jew I fully admire, it must be Paul Eisen
-- Monochrome_ Monitor 18:15, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
I don't agree that the quotes were deceptive. When he says "some might call me a proud self hater", he is embracing it. [19] Here he explicitly calls himself a "profound self-hater". Similarly, omitting the clause "some might be bold enough to say" (with bold having a positive connotation) does not make it less heinous. Some might say you are an apologist for racism that even he who once said "zionism is the continuation of nazism in spirit", condemns. Your fastidious verification of quotes is also hypocritical, which I will get to later. -- Monochrome_ Monitor 18:56, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
I removed a link that proved to be dead and the wayback machine failed. You found the correct link, fine. Does anyone as a Jew, have a right to get hysterical because another Jew repudiates his being a Jew? If he or she does, it means that for the outraged person, being Jew means having 'property rights' over what someone of the same ethnicity thinks, and that is, I suspect, what gets Atzmon to make his extreme statements. No. I've seen an Albanian try to harass a Macedonian friend of mine in exactly this way. No one has such an invasive meddling right to mind control over his fellows. No more than any German would have had a right to take to task an acquaintance of mine, a senior bureaucrat, who left Germany, and, with my assistance, took up life in a new country because he wanted to erase all associations with his ethnic and national origins, because of WW2, and because he was convinced Germany would try to establish a reich in the European Economic Community. An anti-Semite hates Jews: Atzmon's parents are both Israeli and Jews: his mother is proud of him, and when his father, working in the defense industry, finally grasped what his son was arguing against, it moved him deeply. These cheap blogosphere clichés twisting a personal struggle into a threat to Israel, or a threat, akin to the run-up to the Holocaust, just pander to off-the-shelf prejudice. Nishidani ( talk) 11:33, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
'the one truly holocaust denier is Bernard Lewis. A French court even convicted Lewis of denying genocide. But Lewis denied the Turkish genocide of Armenians during World War 1, not the Nazi genocide of Jews, and Lewis is pro-Israel. Accordingly, this instance of Holocaust denial raises no hackles in the United States. Turkey is an Israeli ally, extenuating matters even further. Mention of an Armenian genocide is therefore taboo. Elie Wiesel and Rabbi Arthur Hertzberg as well as the AJC and Yad Vashem withdrew from an international conference on genocide in Tel Aviv because the academic sponsors, against Israeli government urging, included sessions on the Armenian case. Wiesel also sought, unilaterally, to abort the conference and, according to Yehuda Bauer, personally lobbied others not to attend.(source:Israel Charny (1982), Haaretz 20 April 1990) The US Holocaust Council practically eliminated mention of the Armenians in the Washington Holocaust Memorial Museum, and Jewish lobbyists in Congress blocked a day of remembrance for the Armenian genocide.'Verso 2003 pp.69-70
You make a great effort to not judge him and to rationalize his views, whereas you assume the worst of my intentions. Using finklestein as proof makes me think your antipathy towards goldberg is from finklestein. Goldberg is the leading voice of the American Jewish left. Finklestein is a pariah of the american jewish community whose following is the far-left and the far-right. He's nowhere near Atzmon nor is he an antisemite but he borders on conspiracy at times. Also I don't appreciate his admiration for hezbollah.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 01:20, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
Would you please comments on my updating the page Shahrbanu here or at the talk page of the article. Nannadeem ( talk) 17:24, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hallel Yaffa Ariel-- Bolter21 ( talk to me) 18:36, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Bolter I honestly didn't know my sanction applied to talk pages. You did nothing wrong. :)-- Monochrome_ Monitor 20:58, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
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Regardless of the merits of the edit, I think this too (4th time?) violates your voluntary agreement. Nishidani ( talk) 15:39, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
Good old moral relativism and the "cycle of violence"... I suppose that chain of events ends with the holocaust "in revenge for the crucifixion". There's a difference between the prophet of a religion massacring hundreds of defenseless people and the adherents. The massacres by joshua are a fiction. The massacres by muhammad are historical fact. Regardless, what piqued my interest in the article was not battles in the 7th century.. it was recent events.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 17:15, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
I'm not talking about theology. I'm talking about real people getting killed. The devastation of the Peloponnesian war cannot be compared to that of the Trojan war. The real massacre of 800 surrendering jews cannot be compared to the fictional massacre of 450 self-mutilating cult leaders.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 21:46, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
I think a better comparison would be to Yemenite Jewish convert Dhu Nuwas's massacres of 20,000 Arabian Christians. By far the most brutal and deadly non-fictional act perpetrated by Jews in their 3 millennia. Of course no one comes out clean, not even buddhism and certainly not paganism. ( cough cough) Your strongest point is that Christianity and Islam are byproducts of Judaism and thus the violence they wrought is indirectly a product of Judaism because culture influences behavior. I generally don't think x made y means that x made f(y) though. Just because Australopithecus made Albert Einstein doesn't mean the genius of Einstein reflects on the character of Australopithecus, the fact that Judaism made Christianity/Islam doesn't mean that the of actions of Christians/Muslims reflects on the character of Judaism. But I digress. Just because no one is clean doesn't mean distinctions can't be made. How many people have been killed for Judaism? Islam? Christianity? Saying that it doesn't matter how much the latter two exceeds the former because none = 0 is moral relativism. Americans bombed civilians in Dresden and Tokyo and dropped two a-bombs but a distinction can be made between their behavior and the Nazis. The argument that "none are clean" is precisely the equivocation of neo-nazis who say that "germans suffered a lot too in the war". Feel free to call godwin's law, I'm by no means calling you a nazi, I'm just comparing two forms of moral relativism. One is far more heinous than the others, but both are fallacious. (Note how I'm not equating the two) When I note that muslims murdered a bunch of people recently, it's fallacious to say "so did Elijah 3000 years ago!" -- Monochrome_ Monitor 16:05, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
Your strongest point that the Christianity and Islam are by products of Judaism and thus the violence they wrought is indirectly a product of Judaism because culture influences behavior
In my thinking the Tanakh, being the primary sacred text of Judaism written/compiled by jews, influencing the two later religions is pretty similar to judaism influencing them. Sure it can be argued that this influence doesn't make them byproducts. Anyway I extrapolated based on the fact that Christianity is directly a product of Judaism (or at least a jewish movement that was commandeered by gentiles who perverted it into something Jesus would find abhorrent) and Islam is also a product of Judaism.... because the abrahamic tradition starts with judaism.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 03:45, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
Second temple judiasm was very diverse. But neither the saducees, essenes, nor pharisees would deify a human being. I say christianity is a perversion of judaism with thorough knowledge of its history and development. Saying christianity is a jewish movement is oversimplification, given how its jewish members were condemned as heretic "judaizers" and had no influence on the development of the religion post mid 2nd century. And early christianity actively reinvented itself in a reaction to judaism- or to quote the council of Nicea they moved the date of easter so they could "have nothing in common with this odious people, the jews". No christians of jewish extraction were invited to that council by the way.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 18:51, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
A mission for judaism? What nonsense is that? Are you on a mission for paganism? My mission is more against the deep-seated christian bias in wikipedia than it is for judaism, which I know little about and don't pretend to. I have much more respect for islam as a religion. And I wasn't talking about calling jesus the messiah. I was talking about calling him God. Two very different things.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 19:47, 3 August 2016 (UTC) I'm a secular deist with jewish flavor. I love the altruistic writings of the prophets but there's no reason I should accept the virulent misogyny of the talmud. Whenever I make a point that can interpreted as pro-jewish, you immediately accuse me of shilling, as if I'm a mindless automaton and Chabad feeds me the punch cards. (or a "tribalist" who only cares about "my own kind") My views are far more nuanced than you believe, certainly more nuanced than your own, which are actual regurgitations of hamas talking points. [20] "The role of the occupation is attack, and we in Palestine are fulfilling the reaction", "The locally manufactured shells fired by the resistance are a natural response to the Israeli occupation". (the locally produced home-grown grass fed rockets you called "harmless".)-- Monochrome_ Monitor 19:57, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
That's what you object to? Of course english wikipedia is biased by the fact that the anglosphere is overwhelmingly christian. Some pages have overt apologetics, such as the Shroud of Turin. Some pages while critical in tone are approaching the topic from a fundamentally christian perspective, when I say deep-seated I'm referring to this permeation of christian thought in enlightenment thought which leaks into wikipedia.Thus Category:Hebrew Bible is in Category:Old Testament, "because it's convenient". (even though the old testament is a derivative of the hebrew bible, not vice versa.) I never said the Tanakh is fundamentally ahistorical. I believe it's a historically reliable document post 9th century or so and that earlier texts are either semi-historical (ie united monarchy) or genuine oral traditions with kernels of truth (ie Judges). I believe Elijah (9th century Israel) has a historic counterpart but I'm hesitant to take stories like his contest with the baal worshipper literally considering the improbable miracle of fire raining from the sky. Later prophets are more like poets than wonder-workers so I'm less inclined to think their stories have been embellished. Also I generally disregard your constant griping about my hopelessness because for whatever reasons you keep coming back to my talk page. This time it was the need to tell me I've broken sanctions that I agreed to despite never actually getting assurance that I broke 1RR. 4 times.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 21:37, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
a fundamentally christian perspective, when I say deep-seated I'm referring to this permeation of christian thought in enlightenment thought which leaks into wikipedia.
I see you adhere to the outdated views of Peter Gay who viewed christianity and the enlightenment as diametric opposites. Enlightment thought and christian thought were bedfellows. Read Two Treatises of Government and then get back to me.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 07:41, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
Now there you go again reverting to your old "argue against MM by saying she's lying because she can't actually know what she's talking about because she's 19". Cool it with the hysterics. There's a little thing called "civics class" where the teacher is at liberty to assign reading, did you ever consider that? I generally avoid the neologistic term "judeo-christian" given its unsavory usage. You may not be aware (this is a fundamentally American term) but "Judeo-Christian" is less used today as an interfaith bridge between Jews and Christians than it is as means of excluding Islam from having any place in American society. Peter Gay's work is outdated and I'm not the only one who's said it. And most significantly The Enlightenment and Religion: The Myths of Modernity is a more modern perspective on the role of religion in the enlightenment. And here's a review of it which takes the outdatedness of the "Gay paradigm" (their words) as axiomatic.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 11:27, 4 August 2016 (UTC) Now this is silly and I want to stop arguing about it. It would be so much easier if you could admit to your fallibility just this once, say your view of the enlightenment as enlightened vs religious is antiquated, indeed that's the version of history I was taught in school so I would not blame you.I never pretended to be wiser or more knowledgeable than you but when I am "right" about specific things it would be gracious to say so, or at least to end the discussion on the pretense that you don't want it to (further) devolve into bitter polemic, not because I am hopeless or you have "given up" on me or talking to me is "useless". That is hurtful.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 12:52, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
:'the deep-seated christian bias in wikipedia than it is for judaism'.
a fundamentally christian perspective, when I say deep-seated I'm referring to this permeation of christian thought in enlightenment thought which leaks into wikipedia.
I revel in jokes, and a touch of hilarity is a good way to end a meaningless conversation. That one must not go down the memory hole. Nishidani ( talk) 07:09, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
I see you adhere to the outdated views of Peter Gay who viewed christianity and the enlightenment as diametric opposites. Enlightment thought and christian thought were bedfellows.
It would be so much easier if you could admit to your fallibility just this once, say your view of the enlightenment as enlightened vs religious is antiquated,
Of course christian thought is rooted in "old testament" thought. I affirmed that above, although I noted the pagan influences. It seems our views are not dissimilar at all. I don't have an agenda to "win" and beat the old guy, but I do have an agenda to achieve some respect from you- not even for my merits (or lack thereof) but as a human being. You make me feel shitty about myself, to put it crudely. I spend most of my time learning (I aced that psych class by the way) and you belittle almost everything I say about what I've learned as superficial. Otherwise you deny I have any connection to my words at all and simply say "you know nothing about X" or "you didn't read Y" and "you plagiarized Z from a blog". -- Monochrome_ Monitor 01:20, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
The formation of water is a combination reaction, the formation of precipitates is a single/double replacement reaction. I know what you meant to convey, but if you're going to use a technical analogy you shouldn't bungle the details. I have said, numerous times, how Christianity is a mixture of Greek philosophy,Gnosticism, and Judaic religion, so I don't see what nuance I'm missing. I also know that the Enlightenment directly led to the emancipation of the Jews, and I'm not saying the Enlightenment was a bad thing, I'm saying it was never free of Christian influences, which also isn't a wholly a bad thing. I don't know what the Great Sanhedrin are, unless you mean the Grand Sanhedrin? Lastly your denigration of Zionism as "ridiculous" was wholly unnecessary. You haven't explicitly admitted to anti-Zionism but it was to be expected (even though I was told that you were "a Zionist, just far left").
I don't know what the Great Sanhedrin are, unless you mean the Grand Sanhedrin?
Nice inference that I used wikipedia,actually the term I learned was "Grand Sanhedrin", part of Le Grand Sanhedrin de Napoleon. Grand can be translated to great, but I prefer grand as it provides distinction from the original Great Sanhedrin.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 01:05, 7 August 2016 (UTC) And there's nothing good about post-Zionism, which is akin to a white person telling a black person "racism is over because we passed the Civil Rights Act, so stop whining". Of course it's better than saying "I wish the Civil Rights Act wasn't passed in 64" (a la Anti-zionists "I wish the Jewish State was never established in 1948") All of the great (non-militant) Civil Rights leaders were Zionists for a reason. But you know this already and have overlooked it in light of the works of Noam Chomsky, so this discussion, like all of our others, is futile.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 01:30, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
Please re-read the "Simon checking in" thread. It may be painful, but it has valuable insights.
I am on your side MM, I just want you to prosper and develop both on WP and more importantly, in that place called Real Life. Simon. Irondome ( talk) 23:10, 6 August 2016 (UTC) They aren't the subjects that interest me most :P I edit them because I think they're biased or inadequate. But thanks! :)-- Monochrome_ Monitor 00:53, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
You know you're supposed to use both carrots and sticks, correct? -- Monochrome_ Monitor 01:55, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. -- Monochrome_ Monitor 01:24, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
How was that not of substance? It's called wikignoming. "Partial extermination" is an oxymoron."Partial Destruction" applies.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 01:53, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
I think I got it from genocide watch.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 02:15, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
Iryna and I have collaborated a lot in genocide topics in the past. Again, it's not "my view" of genocide. I use the legal def and I gave you sources.I'm not going to talk about this with you here, I would do it over email but please respect it's uncomfortable for me to do to it on talk.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 13:17, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
On Temple Mount your edit introduced a new mistake: "tzhe Noble Sanctuary of Jerusalem". :) By the way, the easiest way to do some copyediting is to revert my undo. Debresser ( talk) 17:54, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
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I reverted this edit purely on the basis that any changes to do with ethnic identity in the Levant needs to be discussed to death before it happens, and the status quo should normally be retained until that discussion has happened. Also it's really, really bad practice to leave anything with no categories at all. If you want to take it to WP:CFD then go ahead - I've no bone in this fight, I'm just trying to ensure that due process is observed. Le Deluge ( talk) 18:53, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
Didn't mean to orphan it. No need to justify, I totally understand. :)-- Monochrome_ Monitor 21:50, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
On 18 September 1943, Pechersky, along with 2,000 Jews from Minsk including about 100 Soviet Jewish POWs, was placed in a train cattle car which arrived at the Sobibor extermination camp on September 23, 1943. Eighty prisoners from the train, including Pechersky, were selected for work in Lager II
I've deliberately not looked at your contribs record, as stated. These are just absurd edits with no intelligent justification on pages where I have edited, and note that I am not the only person who regards this kind of rewriting you indulge in as problematical. Perhaps you need to talk more extensively with your mentor. Nishidani ( talk) 12:32, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Half of those edits were a restoration of the article to the way they were before you messed with them. I don't even have to read your contribution history to spot them, they stick out like a sore thumb. Your assertion that my edits were "pro-jewish" and "anti-christian" is hilarious, can you even hear yourself? Your edits obfuscate the place of the Temple Mount in Christian thought. The fact is when you look into traditional Christian views of the Temple Mount you find that "The destruction of the Temple, prophesied by Jesus’s 'I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and in three days I will build another, not made with hands' (Mark 14:58), in addition to the expulsion of the Jews from Jerusalem, was seen by the Byzantine Christians as proof of Christianity’s victory over Judaism. In the centuries preceding the conquest of Jerusalem first by the Sassanids, then by the Rashidun, the Temple Mount had been completely overlooked in the Christian religious topography of Jerusalem in favor of the Holy Sepulchre."
[23] You don't find drivel like "both christians and jews think the temple was destroyed becuase of jewish sin" in there. My edits are not pro-Jewish any more than dartmouth college is pro-jewish. Perhaps it is you who is anti-jewish? Zero's edit summary "its unacceptable" is just that. I added a pro-return argument in a section filled with pro-return arguments. I could have made that clearer with "they point out that", but I thought it was obvious. Per the Banu Qurayza there is no primary source (hadith or sunna) affirming that Muhammad let the non-traitorous Jews "go as they wish", rather an unreliable clearly apologetic one, "International Islamic Publishing House". If an article quoted Chabad saying something too "pro-Jewish", you would be the first to question its reliability. Next is the "Soviet POWS who turned out to be Jewish". Yes,everyone just happened to be Jewish by mere coincidence, they hadn't been been segregated from the general POW population and sent to Sobibor precisely because they were Jewish.
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[25] But Holocaust revisionism is no laughing matter. Pechersky was one of many Russian POWs captured in the Battle of Moscow and a German doctor giving him a medical examination found out he was circumsised and sent him to Sobibor for this reason. Your conflation of victim and perpetrator is a mockery of the dead. And lastly I'm not sure where you get the ideal that Epsom is "the usual chap", considering I barely interact with him. He's one of the many users who have complained about your behavior. Now have fun glossing over your ignorance in your reply with retorts about my age.--
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i believe life doesnt always have to be unfair. Theres always a cost benefit analysis, as in when its life or death. I dont care for martyrdom and for the people who choose death over honor or faith. (however i greatly respect people who die rather than implicate others a la salem witchcraft) But if its a choice between one lash for a false confession and five for maintaining my innocence id take the 5 lashes. Neither are fair but i think the former is a more grevious injury. This can get into philosophical territory ike would you rather kill one person or let 100 people die? Again everything is cost benefit. But this is tangential. I dont know what you want from me. -- Monochrome_ Monitor 20:55, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
You didn't hear anything I said. Gaming is done with the intent to harm the integrity of wikipedia, which was and is never my intent. I agreed to the original terms. 2 months of asking you for permission to make controversial edits. It's been two months. You are changing the terms of agreement. I quoted your own words, right there. Do tell me what orifice you pulled 6 months out of. And please stop misusing the WP pages. Righting great wrongs is for promoting OR in the belief you are setting the record straight. This has nothing to do with that. -- Monochrome_ Monitor 01:53, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
What you said could reasonably be construed as 4 months, two of ban and two of "guidance". Not indefinite. That would be grossly disproportionate and against the blocking policy.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 21:58, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
I believe you will no longer get involved in any issues involving the boards, and I beg you, yep, beg you to re-read all the points made over the months in many of the above threads both here, and on Nish's and my talkpages. I believe firmly that you have developed sufficiently to avoid vexatious editing and have achieved the necessary self-discipline to avoid drama. My model of mentoring was obviously stifling you, and perhaps ill-suited to your temperament. That was my misjudgement, and you have nothing to reproach yourself for there either. I will continuue to be open to re-negotiating a mentoring model that more suits your evolution on here and will always be open to that possibility. I will always be there for you G, and will always think of you kindly, and look forward to working with you for many years to come. Your friend, Simon. Irondome ( talk) 01:08, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
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Hi. I was wondering what you were objecting to on John Garfield? In what way does the current wording confuse the system and the method, or confuse the work of Strasberg with Adler and or Mesiner? I couldn't tell from the edits what you found troubling... Many thanks, • DP • {huh?} 02:59, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
It's based on a definition of method acting which lumps together Brando (Adler) and Dean (Strasberg), and it implies there's a linear connection between Garfield and the Method, when its more complicated. I wanted to use the technically correct definition (I'm a film and theatre geek, its common even within our circles to call adler and meisner method, but the orthodoxy and the film historians and critics still maintain a distinction) but since we are acknowledging the other definition its accurate on those grounds. Thank you for working with me on this. :) -- Monochrome_ Monitor 04:00, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
Are you absolutely sure you want your user page deleted? Do you want to think about it a bit? -- NeilN talk to me 00:32, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
Wikipedia has been really depressing for me lately and I've come to the conclusion that won't be changing in the future. So yes I'm not bluffing. Thank you for asking though. :)-- Monochrome_ Monitor 00:51, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
sorry to see you're apparently leaving, I enjoyed our discussions. If you are interested I can tell you about my own frustrations with Wikipedia and how I ended up handling them, just use the e-mail function if you don't care to talk in public. -- dab (𒁳) 19:28, 6 September 2016 (UTC) I'm not exactly leaving. I'm going off the record, on the QT and very hush-hush. So no worries. In fact I'll restore my talk page and eventually delete the drama .-- Monochrome_ Monitor 19:30, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
Hello MM, and glad to see you haven't left the project for good. I wanted to clear a few things up, since I noticed the arrangement was mentioned here.
Best of luck going forward. Seraphimblade Talk to me 20:28, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
In truth my mentorship ended two years ago. Since then Simon's been more of a guardian than a mentor. I'm quite well versed in the rules and regs of wikipedia. But thanks! :) -- Monochrome_ Monitor 17:38, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
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I find it totally unacceptable that you remove the fact that the population was all Muslim in the 1922, or 1931 census-data. Please don´t do that, and undo the ones you have removed. (say, like at Beit Iksa, Hizma etc) Huldra ( talk) 21:53, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
I thought it was obvious that if you start with "they were all muslim in 1800" and end with "they were all muslim in 1945", it can be assumed in the interim they were all muslim. At a certain point it becomes an issue of tone. I repeat, at a certain point it becomes an issue of TONE. See what I just did? That's not wikipedia's voice, it's mine. Wordings such as "they were still all muslim" and "segregation barrier" are not wikipedia's voice either, they are the words of an impassioned editor trying to convey a particular message. Of course the article is about a Palestinian village and its natural it would be biased towards that narrative. So I don't expect it to talk about the suicide bombings that killed hundreds of Israeli civilians leading directly to the establishment of the west bank barrier. Instead it describes the barrier and its effects on palestinians (and not Israelis)- again, all natural. You don't need to describe the barrier as segregation, which is blatantly POV, and should just let the reader decide based on the information that is offered them. Since the information offered is that israel (for mysterious reasons) wants to separate israelis in the west bank from palestinians and makes their lives miserable (for mysterious reasons) the message is sent implicitly. I'm being completely straight with you. Everyone knows articles edited only by editors in specific niches are naturally biased. What I'm saying is you can convey the same point you're trying to make in the voice of wikipedia rather than your voice- which from my perspective as a reader can sound angry at times.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 22:58, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
I don't recall saying never. You were totally essential the first few months of wikipedia, when I didn't understand the rules. Since you have been more like a guardian than a mentor to me, and I would most likely leave wp if you did. I didn't mean to diminish your efforts to keep me on the straight path.(Well, maybe I did, but it's a pride thing. I'd rather intentionally fail at a mentorship than unintentionally.) Also re Huldra I think you're putting it a bit lightly. :P The fact that they were all Muslim does not contribute significantly more to the article when stated the third and fourth time than it does the second and first.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 02:14, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
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This sort of envenomed, wholly off-topic edit summary is not acceptable. You ought to know by now that most of those types of Qur'anic or hadith statements can be paralleled anywhere in the Tanakh, indeed more abundantly 'of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth,' (Deuteronomy 20:16-17)even down to targeting for extermination a specific people, like the Amalekites (and those verses are used frequently by West Bank rabbis). Nishidani ( talk) 13:09, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
What the hell are you guys doing here? And Simon I highly reccommend Paul and Jesus: How the Apostle Transformed Christianity for info on the "true" Judaic Christianity. I'm not too fond of Aristotle, nor would he have been of me.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 23:35, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
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You are testing my long-standing resolution not to take anyone to A/1 or A/E (that is not a threat). Please self-revert. Nishidani ( talk) 20:43, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
Oh, shit.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 20:45, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
http://gbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/8/7/2259-- Shrike ( talk) 12:18, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
I think it wholly unfair that you have attempted to alter the Assyrian continuity page, removing the mention of sourced and often modern experts, and placing an assertion that modern scholarship refutes any Assyrian continuity, something which is clearly not the case. The intro (and other sections) is balanced as it is, mentioning both those that support and those that refute. In addition, most of the references are in the main body of the page, and do not really need to be duplicated in the intro. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.100.25.101 ( talk) 10:21, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
My issue here is not that Joseph and Fiey were mentioned in the intro, it is balanced to mention them. It is more that the intro was weighted in favour of their opinions. It is not particularly impartial to suggest that their opinions are superior or the most accepted. The original intro mentioned both those in support and those against, which is perfectly balanced and fair. Particularly as there was no suggestion in said intro as to which set of opinions was correct.
Parpola is no less relevant than Joseph, who actually is not an Assyriologist. And neither are as eminent as Saggs and Frye,who both also support continuity.
You say to me you shouldn't rest your pride on descent from a dead civilization which was infamous for its brutality!!! In all honesty, what business is it of yours to tell me that? And what relevance does that have to the impartiality of the page? In addition, as Saggs himself says, much of the brutality was later Biblical propaganda; for example the Assyrians never carried out genocides and ethnic cleansing, which the Israelites certainly did.
Joseph is a well known proponent of Arameanism, noted Assyriologist-Iranologist Richard Nelson Frye disagrees with him strongly upon his assertions, particularly his claims about the term Suraye, Syrian, East Syrian. Modern scholarly opinion does too, as these terms etymologically derive from Assurayu/Assyrian, thus Assyrians were called Suraye many centuries before Levantine Arameans.
I have read Joseph's book, and he has his opinion, one which many disagree with. He should be quoted, but in no way at all be given primacy, nor should the article suggest his opinion is the prevailing and correct one.
The Kurdish, Arab, Jewish and Levantine mix does not stand up, genetic studies show Assyrians are homogenous ( Cavalli-Sforza), and they also predate the arrival of those other peoples by some considerable time. Nobody, of course, should claim the Assyrians are ethnically pure, some Assyrians do, and it is a nonsense, but there is pretty strong evidence to suggest that at root the modern Assyrian ancestry dates back to Ancient Mesopotamia, even UNPO accepts that the Assyrians are indigenous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.100.25.101 ( talk) 10:01, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
First off, Israelite "ethnic cleansing and genocides" are biblical propaganda. Read Israelites#Historical_Israelites, the book of Joshua is bullshit. And your characterization of descriptions of the brutality of the Assyrians as being biblical propaganda is odd. The Assyrians themselves boasted about their brutality against rebels and there's no reason to think the Israelites were an exception to that.
Joseph is not an Arameanist (believing in direct descent from the Arameans.) He believes Assyrians are more Aramean than Assyrian in the genealogical sense, but does not assign a specific national character to them. Homogeneity means they are a unique and distinct group- it doesn't mean they aren't a mixture of peoples. Look, I'm not saying that Assyrians are "Christian Arabs" as some do or denying they aren't indigenous. They aren't and they are. I'm not saying they have no link to ancient Assyrians whatsoever either. The Assyrians living in Assyria proper likely have some Assyrian roots, but there's no reason for Syriac Christians in Syria, whose population was majority Aramean since the Iron Age, to be "Assyrian". That is personally what bothers me about Assyrianism- it dominates wikipedia and absorbs communities that don't consider themselves Assyrian.Now in my view both Arameanism and Assyrianism are problematic as pan-Syriac movements claiming exclusive legitimacy for their identity. For extreme Assyrianism this means claiming the Syriac-speaking people of the entirety Mesopotamia and sometimes some of the Levant as "Assyrian" merely because the Neo-Assyrian Empire conquered those places (because everyone in the roman empire is a roman) and for extreme Arameanism this means claiming all Neo-Aramaic speakers as Arameans because of their language.
When I say John Josephs view is a majority that is from secondary sourcing. I literally looked up "most scholars think assyrian nationalism" (no quotes) to find it. But the way you edited it from most to some is completely fine considering I only had one source for that, its better to be nuanced. What you say about Assyrians being called Suraye before arameans arrived is untrue, considering 1. the word Suraye itself is Aramaic, and 2. "Syrian" is a Greek word inconsistently applied, there are many examples equating Syrian with Aramean, most notably the Septaguint, which translates "Aramean" as "Syrian". It is clear that the word Syria is derived from Assyria, but that doesn't mean Syrian is derived from Assyrian. If that were true than the British would be Britons (a roman celtic tribe) because they live in Britain which is derived from the roman word Britannia, land of the Britons. A similarly empty argument is pointing out that many provinces were called derivatives of "Assyria" after Assyria. That does not testify to the continuity of Assyrians, only to the continuity of Assyria as a toponym. The most legitimate arguments for continuity would be a continuity in language or culture, as Coptic is a direct descendant of Ancient Egyptian. Claims that modern Assyrians speak Ancient Assyrian are bullshit, and claims of "akkadian inflection" (distinct from loanwords, even Hebrew has Akkadian words) are poorly supported.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 11:16, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
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Thinking more broadly about kin liability/sippenhaft, I came to the conclusion that, logically, the Christian patristic argument from Matthew 27:25 that planted the seedbed of classic anti-Semitism , i.e. that since the Sanhedrin killed Jesus, and the crowd applauded all Jews by descent (the family of Jews) were ontologically culpable of deicide, is a generalized early form of sippenhaftung. I haven't had time to do much checking, but the connection even there is not apparently made. Worth thinking over. Of course this whole mess is based on conceoptual confusion, the inability to distinguish hypernym and hyponym (things like sippenhaft and the Chinese variants being subsets of collective punishment, restricted to immediate or clan kin. Regards Nishidani ( talk) 22:02, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
Well it all depends whether we want to focus on the historic germanic term or on the concept found in many cultures that kin of a member is liable for the members actions. There's probably an evolutionary psychological/environmental discussion of it somewhere. Ex Bedouin law is very much shaped by being in the desert. As for the patristic argument, yeah that's strong evidence that anti-semitism from at least christian times was never wholly or even mostly religious. After all the Jewish religion is named after the Jewish people, not vise versa. Another example is that Spanish priests had to prove their last 3 generations weren't marranos before being ordained, difficult to distinguish from the Aryan certificate necessary in the SS. At any rate there is definitely an ethnic basis for Common Era antisemitism. Islam to a somewhat lesser extent has this feature also, the quran saying jews killed all the prophets and containing verses many modern muslims interpret to mean all jews are descendents of apes and pigs ( mystically in human form). Of course the righteous among the jews who recognize Christianity/Islam as the True Religion of God can be forgiven because it validates the claims of both religions to be the True People of God. Jesus couldn't convert most jews in his lifetime with the notable exceptions of the jerusalem church/ebionites/nazarenes, who were condemned as heretic judiazers and anathematized by the 3rd century, unfortunately for those looking for the historical jesus and not The Christ God-Man of Paul. Muhammad did a much worse job winning over the Children of Israel, there's a sura (or sunna/hadith?) about him trying to get at least 12 jews to convert (not an arbitrary number) and he couldn't. And that was in the Mecca period where he basically parroted jewish theology. The epitome of supercessionism was the mythical journey to heaven where the Jewish prophets and the Jewish false prophet (lol, with all do respect to jesus the world did not end in a generation) bowed down to him, and on Mount Zion to boot according to hadith. In the Medinan period he distinguished his religion from Judaism, notably by changing the qibla to the traditional arab pagan site of worship and inventing a story about Abraham and Isaac (both muslims of course) building the thing. He converted some jews, mostly by force. But I digress. The blood curse is not the same thing as sippenhaft even in its nazi form. It's not kin liabilty, it's the liability of an entire people to the nth generation, a sort of original sin reserved for Jews alone that can only be cleaned by the Blood of the Lamb. I can't think of a comparable phenomenon, calling an entire people cursed. It's volkhaft. And don't talk about Amalek because Amalek doesn't exist and don't talk about Settler Rabbis who say he does in the form of Palestinians because they are small minority. What else... oh yeah. What bothers me the most about the blood curse is not that it caused our people great suffering for thousands of years. I'm an American Jew so I know next to nothing about this suffering except when I read comments sections on the internet. (though that may change with our new leader) What bothers me most of all is that it is PURE BULLSHIT. They make pontius pilate a passive bystander who doesn't crucify people without good reason and lets jews crucify people will-nilly when history records that he was an asshole who crucified a shitton of people and tolerated no dissent. "Jews killed Jesus" is an invention to make Christianity more palatable to the Romans. It's not even volkhaft , it's falschevolkhaft. Anydangway. I'm starting to think sippenhaft shouldn't be a separate page. We should merge with collective punishment or rename to "kin liability".-- Monochrome_ Monitor 23:28, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
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I've seen you make bad edits, but your work just now at Amin al-Husseini is close to the worst. Hardly any of your changes are supported by the given sources and some of them are only true in your imagination. You are not allowed to add extra stuff in front of citations without checking whether the citations include it. You just wasted half an hour of my time fixing up the mess you made. You should lift your act or go away. Zero talk 04:26, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
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Although the overall plan for the GPO was as a mass deportation scheme, the goal of it was still ethnic cleansing on a large scale, through any means neccessary. The final solution enacted by the Nazi's to cleanse jewry from europe also originally proposed deportation as the primary method of moving them, however we know how this turned out. The intentions of it, the hunger plan, and other similar plots, was undoubtedly the following: The removal and potential extermination of those classified "inferior races": Ethnic slavs for the most part. There is 0 doubt it was genocide. Numbers and reasons you could contest but not that aspect.
The actual effect of the GPO was primarily undergone through mass famine orchestrated as part of the war effort, however, millions were still executed or killed off by the military as accordance to the plan. If this orchestrated famine doesn't count as genocide, neither should the holodomor and numerous other events listed on the "List of Genocides" page, since that was almost in its entirety famine deaths, and even to this day remains more controversial than the GPO to its causes and the intents. The wikipedia page on the holodomor's causes describes it almost in its entirely by bad rationing plans and unreasonable production goals, listing nothing to do with *ethnic cleansing*, but instead leads the soviets intents towards democide or classicide (is that a word?) to remove the kulak class and potential dissidents from existance instead, which does not belong on the genocide page. If then the holodomor counts as genocide, despite barely fitting the definition set out by the UN, why should the GPO not, which clearly matches that same definition? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.152.65.1 ( talk) 18:14, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
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Can you review this page? You seem familiar with this topic. The article is essay-like and mostly OR, rather than being informative. Primary sources are the another issue. I tried to fix some SYNTH, falsifications and OR, but the individual is very determined and probably will do the same problematic edits in the future. 5.61.40.46 ( talk) 16:59, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
Furthermore, the user, for unknown motivation, tries to represent the mostly semi-arid, flat region as if geography of the Alps. It simply misleads the readers. Again, smells like SOAP. 5.61.40.46 ( talk) 19:20, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
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This is to introduce you to a new Wikiproject called AfroCine. This new project is dedicated to improving the Wikipedia coverage of the history, works, people, places, events, etc, that are associated with the cinema, theatre and arts of Africa, African countries, the carribbean, and the diaspora. If you would love to be part of this or you're already contributing in this area, kindly list your name as a participant on the project page here.
Furthermore, In the months of October and November, the WikiProject is organizing a global on-wiki contest and edit-a-thon tagged: The Months of African Cinema. If you would love to join us for this exciting event, also list your username as a participant for this event here. In preparation for the contest, please do suggest relevant articles that need to be created or expanded in different countries, during this event!
If you have any questions, complaints, suggestions, etc., please reach out to me personally on my talkpage! Cheers!-- Jamie Tubers ( talk) 20:50, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
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The AfroCine Project welcomes you to October, the first out of the two months which has been dedicated to improving contents that centre around the cinema of Africa, the Caribbean, and the diaspora.
This is a global online edit-a-thon, which is happening in at least 5 language editions of Wikipedia, including the English Wikipedia! Join us in this exciting venture, by helping to create or expand articles which are connected to this scope. Also remember to list your name under the participants section, if you haven't done so already.
On English Wikipedia, we would be recognizing Users who are able to achieve the following:
For further information about the contest, the recognition categories and how to participate, please visit the contest page here. For further inquiries, please leave comments on the contest talkpage or on the main project talkpage. See you around :).-- Jamie Tubers ( talk) 22:50, 03 October 2018 (UTC)
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Greetings!
After a successful first iteration of the “Months of African Cinema” last year, we are happy to announce that it will be happening again this year, starting from October 1! In the 2018 edition of the contest, about 600 Wikipedia articles were created in at least 8 languages. There were also contributions to Wikidata and Wikimedia commons, which brought the total number of wikimedia pages created during the contest to over 1,000.
The AfroCine Project welcomes you to October, the first out of the two months which have been dedicated to creating and improving content that centre around the cinema of Africa, the Caribbean, and the diaspora. Join us in this global edit-a-thon, by helping to create or expand articles which are connected to this scope. Also remember to list your name under the participants section.
On English Wikipedia, we would be recognizing participants in the following manner:
For further information about the contest, the recognition categories and how to participate, please visit the contest page here. For further inquiries, please leave comments on the contest talkpage or on the main project talkpage. See you around :).-- Jamie Tubers ( talk) 00:50, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
Hi, due to your interest in Middle Eastern history, you are welcome to contribute to the newly created 1979–80 Shia uprising in Iraq article. GreyShark ( dibra) 12:56, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
Just saying hello. You've done the right thing and moved on, I see. Great for you! Take care, Arminden ( talk) 21:21, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
Greetings!
The AfroCine Project invites you to join us again this October and November, the two months which are dedicated to improving content about the cinema of Africa, the Caribbean, and the diaspora.
Join us in this exciting venture, by helping to create or expand contents in Wikimedia projects which are connected to this scope. Kindly list your username under the participants section to indicate your interest in participating in this contest.
We would be awarding prizes to different categories of winners:
We would be adding additional categories as the contest progresses, along with local prizes from affiliates in your countries. For further information about the contest, the prizes and how to participate, please visit the contest page here. For further inquiries, please leave comments on the contest talkpage or on the main project talkpage. Looking forward to your participation.-- Jamie Tubers ( talk) 19:22, 22nd September 2020 (UTC)
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Greetings,
Thank you very much for participating in the Months of African Cinema global contest/edit-a-thon, and thank you for your contributions so far.
It is already the middle of the contest and a lot have been achieved already! We have been able to get over 1,500 articles created in over fifteen (15) languages! This would not have been possible without your support and we want to thank you. If you have not yet listed your name as a participant in the contest page please do so.
Please make sure to list the articles you have created or improved in the article achievements' section of the contest page, so that they can be easily tracked. To be able to claim prizes, please also ensure to list your articles on the users by articles page. We would be awarding prizes to different categories of winners:
We are very excited about what has been achieved so far, but your contributions are still needed to further exceed all expectations! Let’s create more articles before the end of this contest, which is this November!!!
Thank you once again for being part of this global event! -- Jamie Tubers ( talk) 10:30, 06 November 2020 (UTC)
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Greetings!
The AfroCine Project core team is happy to inform you that the Months of African Cinema Contest is happening again this year in October and November. We invite Wikipedians all over the world to join in improving content related to African cinema on Wikipedia!
Please list your username under the participants’ section of the contest page to indicate your interest in participating in this contest. The term "African" in the context of this contest, includes people of African descent from all over the world, which includes the diaspora and the Caribbean.
The following prizes would be recognized at the end of the contest:
Also look out for local prizes from affiliates in your countries or communities! For further information about the contest, the prizes and how to participate, please visit the contest page here. For further inquiries, please leave comments on the contest talkpage or on the main project talkpage. We look forward to your participation.-- Jamie Tubers ( talk) 23:20, 30th September 2021 (UTC)
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Greetings,
It is already past the middle of the contest and we are really excited about the Months of African Contest 2021 achievements so far! We want to extend our sincere gratitude for the time and energy you have invested. If you have not yet participated in the contest, it is not too late to do it. Please list your username as a participant on the contest’s main page.
Please remember to list the articles you have improved or created on the article achievements' section of the contest page so they can be tracked. In order to win prizes, be sure to also list your article in the users by articles. Please note that your articles must be present in both the article achievement section on the main contest page, as well as on the Users By Articles page for you to qualify for a prize.
We would be awarding prizes to different categories of winners:
Thank you once again for your valued participation! -- Jamie Tubers ( talk) 18:50, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
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