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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 February 2024

Please make the font size similar where data about number of Jewish people globally is shown. 87.248.185.33 ( talk) 13:59, 17 February 2024 (UTC) reply

Sorry, what are you referring to? Similar to what? Which part of the article specifically? Tollens ( talk) 06:32, 18 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Yeah I agree Aquonium ( talk) 15:12, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Aquonium: Since you clearly know what the IP is referring to, could you please elaborate? Tollens ( talk) 20:46, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Missing: term for Israelites + Jews, together

Please go to Talk:Israelites#Missing: term for Israelites + Jews, together for this topic. Here just the start of the discussion:

In Jewish religion as well as several strands of historiography, the assumption of continuity or even identity is made between Israelites and Jews. Terms like "Nation/People of Israel" (caps not always a must) can't currently be linked to any Wik. article, because neither Israelites, Jews, or Israelis covers more than part of the intended meaning. Arminden ( talk) 09:12, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

The use of ethnic Jew

The use of of the term "ethnic Jew" is inaccurate and invalidating of Jews by Choice. The ethnicity(which is not genetic but environmental)and religion are intertwined and converts are fully adopted into both. JbC are 100% Jewish and thus, able to question and abandon their faith and remain Jewish. I think an alternative term should be chosen, like "Jews by Descent". MagicalEnbySarah ( talk) 09:28, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

How does that help? If you choose to come into Judaism, then you aren't a Jew by descent. I mean, you might be, maybe you have a Jewish ancestor, but that's a separate matter, the point is that your Judaism isn't on account of that descent.
You may be reading it too inflexibly. The point is that there are people who are Jewish by faith, by religious observance; there are ethnic Jews; and there are people who are both. If you've chosen to be part of the Jewish people, you aren't an ethnic Jew, but you're Jewish. Largoplazo ( talk) 10:34, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 April 2024

Palestine is a relatively new term and becomes political very quickly. Recommend using Levant or Western Asia however being that this topic is about the Jews recommend using the language that they use to describe where they are from, that being their ancestral homeland of Ancient Israel/Judea Samaria. F smithers ( talk) 10:23, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{ Edit extended-protected}} template. '''[[ User:CanonNi]]''' ( talk| contribs) 11:46, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
The area's been known as Palestine for over 2,500 years. Largoplazo ( talk) 12:33, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Edit, Jews are not a race or ethnic group

Edit, Jews are not a race or an ethnic group

"A reevaluation of the anthropological genetics literature on Jewish populations reveals them not simply to be a body of genetically related people descending from a small group of common ancestors, but rather a “mosaic” of peoples of diverse origins. Greek and other pre-medieval historiographic sources suggest the patterning evident in recent genetic studies could be explained by a major contribution from Greco-Roman and Anatolian-Byzantine converts who affiliated themselves with some iteration of Judaism beginning in the first and second centuries ce and continuing into the Middle Ages. These populations, along with Babylonian and Alexandrian Jewish communities, indigenous North Africans, and Slavic-speaking converts to Judaism, support a mosaic geography of Jewish ancestry in Europe and Western Asia, rather than one arising from a limited set of lineages originating solely in Palestine."

See

https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/702709?journalCode=jar

The Geography of Jewish Ethnogenesis.pdf


Also there is no Jüdische Typus

"It has been argued that Jews are not genomically distinct from non-Jews."

Eran Elhaik, https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/genetics/articles/10.3389/fgene.2016.00141/full In Search of the jüdische Typus: A Proposed Benchmark to Test the Genetic Basis of Jewishness Challenges Notions of “Jewish Biomarkers, Frontiers of Genetics Vol.7, 5 August 2016: ‘Claims that Jews can be accurately distinguished from non-Jews . . and carry “Jewish heritage” in their DNA . . are . .frequently made. Supporters of the alternative school have consistently dismissed any racial notion of Jews over the past centuries, citing the ongoing failures to provide a robust test for Jewishness and the rich historical, archeological, and linguistic evidence for Jews’ history of assimilations and mixtures with non-Jewish populations rather than seclusion periods. This position can be summarized as: “A Jew is a Jew because he chose to be a Jew and not because he was forced – because of biology or by some external social force – to define himself as a Jew”.’

/info/en/?search=Genetic_studies_of_Jews

2601:444:300:B070:F9EE:7B8A:A564:1D43 ( talk) 01:24, 3 May 2024 (UTC) reply

 Not done. Although there's a correlation, neither "race" nor "ethnic group" typically refer to populations which are exclusively bounded by genetics. See our articles on Race and Ethnicity. GordonGlottal ( talk) 02:17, 3 May 2024 (UTC) reply
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Former good articleJews was one of the Social sciences and society good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
January 23, 2006 Good article nomineeListed
July 6, 2008 Good article reassessmentKept
October 6, 2008 Peer reviewReviewed
February 26, 2009 Good article reassessmentKept
April 18, 2017 Good article reassessmentDelisted
Current status: Delisted good article

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 February 2024

Please make the font size similar where data about number of Jewish people globally is shown. 87.248.185.33 ( talk) 13:59, 17 February 2024 (UTC) reply

Sorry, what are you referring to? Similar to what? Which part of the article specifically? Tollens ( talk) 06:32, 18 February 2024 (UTC) reply
Yeah I agree Aquonium ( talk) 15:12, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Aquonium: Since you clearly know what the IP is referring to, could you please elaborate? Tollens ( talk) 20:46, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Missing: term for Israelites + Jews, together

Please go to Talk:Israelites#Missing: term for Israelites + Jews, together for this topic. Here just the start of the discussion:

In Jewish religion as well as several strands of historiography, the assumption of continuity or even identity is made between Israelites and Jews. Terms like "Nation/People of Israel" (caps not always a must) can't currently be linked to any Wik. article, because neither Israelites, Jews, or Israelis covers more than part of the intended meaning. Arminden ( talk) 09:12, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

The use of ethnic Jew

The use of of the term "ethnic Jew" is inaccurate and invalidating of Jews by Choice. The ethnicity(which is not genetic but environmental)and religion are intertwined and converts are fully adopted into both. JbC are 100% Jewish and thus, able to question and abandon their faith and remain Jewish. I think an alternative term should be chosen, like "Jews by Descent". MagicalEnbySarah ( talk) 09:28, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

How does that help? If you choose to come into Judaism, then you aren't a Jew by descent. I mean, you might be, maybe you have a Jewish ancestor, but that's a separate matter, the point is that your Judaism isn't on account of that descent.
You may be reading it too inflexibly. The point is that there are people who are Jewish by faith, by religious observance; there are ethnic Jews; and there are people who are both. If you've chosen to be part of the Jewish people, you aren't an ethnic Jew, but you're Jewish. Largoplazo ( talk) 10:34, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 April 2024

Palestine is a relatively new term and becomes political very quickly. Recommend using Levant or Western Asia however being that this topic is about the Jews recommend using the language that they use to describe where they are from, that being their ancestral homeland of Ancient Israel/Judea Samaria. F smithers ( talk) 10:23, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{ Edit extended-protected}} template. '''[[ User:CanonNi]]''' ( talk| contribs) 11:46, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply
The area's been known as Palestine for over 2,500 years. Largoplazo ( talk) 12:33, 24 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Edit, Jews are not a race or ethnic group

Edit, Jews are not a race or an ethnic group

"A reevaluation of the anthropological genetics literature on Jewish populations reveals them not simply to be a body of genetically related people descending from a small group of common ancestors, but rather a “mosaic” of peoples of diverse origins. Greek and other pre-medieval historiographic sources suggest the patterning evident in recent genetic studies could be explained by a major contribution from Greco-Roman and Anatolian-Byzantine converts who affiliated themselves with some iteration of Judaism beginning in the first and second centuries ce and continuing into the Middle Ages. These populations, along with Babylonian and Alexandrian Jewish communities, indigenous North Africans, and Slavic-speaking converts to Judaism, support a mosaic geography of Jewish ancestry in Europe and Western Asia, rather than one arising from a limited set of lineages originating solely in Palestine."

See

https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/702709?journalCode=jar

The Geography of Jewish Ethnogenesis.pdf


Also there is no Jüdische Typus

"It has been argued that Jews are not genomically distinct from non-Jews."

Eran Elhaik, https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/genetics/articles/10.3389/fgene.2016.00141/full In Search of the jüdische Typus: A Proposed Benchmark to Test the Genetic Basis of Jewishness Challenges Notions of “Jewish Biomarkers, Frontiers of Genetics Vol.7, 5 August 2016: ‘Claims that Jews can be accurately distinguished from non-Jews . . and carry “Jewish heritage” in their DNA . . are . .frequently made. Supporters of the alternative school have consistently dismissed any racial notion of Jews over the past centuries, citing the ongoing failures to provide a robust test for Jewishness and the rich historical, archeological, and linguistic evidence for Jews’ history of assimilations and mixtures with non-Jewish populations rather than seclusion periods. This position can be summarized as: “A Jew is a Jew because he chose to be a Jew and not because he was forced – because of biology or by some external social force – to define himself as a Jew”.’

/info/en/?search=Genetic_studies_of_Jews

2601:444:300:B070:F9EE:7B8A:A564:1D43 ( talk) 01:24, 3 May 2024 (UTC) reply

 Not done. Although there's a correlation, neither "race" nor "ethnic group" typically refer to populations which are exclusively bounded by genetics. See our articles on Race and Ethnicity. GordonGlottal ( talk) 02:17, 3 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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