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Please make the font size similar where data about number of Jewish people globally is shown. 87.248.185.33 ( talk) 13:59, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
Please go to Talk:Israelites#Missing: term for Israelites + Jews, together for this topic. Here just the start of the discussion:
In Jewish religion as well as several strands of historiography, the assumption of continuity or even identity is made between Israelites and Jews. Terms like "Nation/People of Israel" (caps not always a must) can't currently be linked to any Wik. article, because neither Israelites, Jews, or Israelis covers more than part of the intended meaning. Arminden ( talk) 09:12, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
The use of of the term "ethnic Jew" is inaccurate and invalidating of Jews by Choice. The ethnicity(which is not genetic but environmental)and religion are intertwined and converts are fully adopted into both. JbC are 100% Jewish and thus, able to question and abandon their faith and remain Jewish. I think an alternative term should be chosen, like "Jews by Descent". MagicalEnbySarah ( talk) 09:28, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
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Palestine is a relatively new term and becomes political very quickly. Recommend using Levant or Western Asia however being that this topic is about the Jews recommend using the language that they use to describe where they are from, that being their ancestral homeland of Ancient Israel/Judea Samaria. F smithers ( talk) 10:23, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
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"A reevaluation of the anthropological genetics literature on Jewish populations reveals them not simply to be a body of genetically related people descending from a small group of common ancestors, but rather a “mosaic” of peoples of diverse origins. Greek and other pre-medieval historiographic sources suggest the patterning evident in recent genetic studies could be explained by a major contribution from Greco-Roman and Anatolian-Byzantine converts who affiliated themselves with some iteration of Judaism beginning in the first and second centuries ce and continuing into the Middle Ages. These populations, along with Babylonian and Alexandrian Jewish communities, indigenous North Africans, and Slavic-speaking converts to Judaism, support a mosaic geography of Jewish ancestry in Europe and Western Asia, rather than one arising from a limited set of lineages originating solely in Palestine."
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https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/702709?journalCode=jar
The Geography of Jewish Ethnogenesis.pdf
Also there is no Jüdische Typus
"It has been argued that Jews are not genomically distinct from non-Jews."
Eran Elhaik, https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/genetics/articles/10.3389/fgene.2016.00141/full In Search of the jüdische Typus: A Proposed Benchmark to Test the Genetic Basis of Jewishness Challenges Notions of “Jewish Biomarkers, Frontiers of Genetics Vol.7, 5 August 2016: ‘Claims that Jews can be accurately distinguished from non-Jews . . and carry “Jewish heritage” in their DNA . . are . .frequently made. Supporters of the alternative school have consistently dismissed any racial notion of Jews over the past centuries, citing the ongoing failures to provide a robust test for Jewishness and the rich historical, archeological, and linguistic evidence for Jews’ history of assimilations and mixtures with non-Jewish populations rather than seclusion periods. This position can be summarized as: “A Jew is a Jew because he chose to be a Jew and not because he was forced – because of biology or by some external social force – to define himself as a Jew”.’
/info/en/?search=Genetic_studies_of_Jews
2601:444:300:B070:F9EE:7B8A:A564:1D43 ( talk) 01:24, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
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Please make the font size similar where data about number of Jewish people globally is shown. 87.248.185.33 ( talk) 13:59, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
Please go to Talk:Israelites#Missing: term for Israelites + Jews, together for this topic. Here just the start of the discussion:
In Jewish religion as well as several strands of historiography, the assumption of continuity or even identity is made between Israelites and Jews. Terms like "Nation/People of Israel" (caps not always a must) can't currently be linked to any Wik. article, because neither Israelites, Jews, or Israelis covers more than part of the intended meaning. Arminden ( talk) 09:12, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
The use of of the term "ethnic Jew" is inaccurate and invalidating of Jews by Choice. The ethnicity(which is not genetic but environmental)and religion are intertwined and converts are fully adopted into both. JbC are 100% Jewish and thus, able to question and abandon their faith and remain Jewish. I think an alternative term should be chosen, like "Jews by Descent". MagicalEnbySarah ( talk) 09:28, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
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Palestine is a relatively new term and becomes political very quickly. Recommend using Levant or Western Asia however being that this topic is about the Jews recommend using the language that they use to describe where they are from, that being their ancestral homeland of Ancient Israel/Judea Samaria. F smithers ( talk) 10:23, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
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"A reevaluation of the anthropological genetics literature on Jewish populations reveals them not simply to be a body of genetically related people descending from a small group of common ancestors, but rather a “mosaic” of peoples of diverse origins. Greek and other pre-medieval historiographic sources suggest the patterning evident in recent genetic studies could be explained by a major contribution from Greco-Roman and Anatolian-Byzantine converts who affiliated themselves with some iteration of Judaism beginning in the first and second centuries ce and continuing into the Middle Ages. These populations, along with Babylonian and Alexandrian Jewish communities, indigenous North Africans, and Slavic-speaking converts to Judaism, support a mosaic geography of Jewish ancestry in Europe and Western Asia, rather than one arising from a limited set of lineages originating solely in Palestine."
See
https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/702709?journalCode=jar
The Geography of Jewish Ethnogenesis.pdf
Also there is no Jüdische Typus
"It has been argued that Jews are not genomically distinct from non-Jews."
Eran Elhaik, https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/genetics/articles/10.3389/fgene.2016.00141/full In Search of the jüdische Typus: A Proposed Benchmark to Test the Genetic Basis of Jewishness Challenges Notions of “Jewish Biomarkers, Frontiers of Genetics Vol.7, 5 August 2016: ‘Claims that Jews can be accurately distinguished from non-Jews . . and carry “Jewish heritage” in their DNA . . are . .frequently made. Supporters of the alternative school have consistently dismissed any racial notion of Jews over the past centuries, citing the ongoing failures to provide a robust test for Jewishness and the rich historical, archeological, and linguistic evidence for Jews’ history of assimilations and mixtures with non-Jewish populations rather than seclusion periods. This position can be summarized as: “A Jew is a Jew because he chose to be a Jew and not because he was forced – because of biology or by some external social force – to define himself as a Jew”.’
/info/en/?search=Genetic_studies_of_Jews
2601:444:300:B070:F9EE:7B8A:A564:1D43 ( talk) 01:24, 3 May 2024 (UTC)