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I reverted your edits to Political status of Taiwan because even though you are correct in differentiating the ROC from the island of Taiwan, the point in including recognition of the ROC government is to illustrate how some governments recognize the ROC as a legitimate government (and thus the ruler of Taiwan), whereas others do not. Dschslava Δx parlez moi 04:43, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
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一直以為您是英文維基人,直到我突然發現了這個: zh:Special:diff/42185166 囧rz...-- 逆襲的天邪鬼 ( talk) 06:48, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
Hi there, there's a discussion here regarding the name change of the article. 135.23.144.153 ( talk) 01:49, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
Hi again, you might want to discuss this issue here because the ROC in Taiwan is the continuation of the 1912 ROC similar to how the Baltic states did. 174.88.142.106 ( talk) 17:14, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
If you look closely, the PRC and ROC share the same history as China. I'm thinking the Template:Taiwan topics into Template:China topics since two different country names don't make sense. See Template talk:China topics for more. Wrestlingring ( talk) 03:45, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
Hey Matt, is this right? I edited the Jen-Hsun Huang article and she was born in (Nationalist) China (which was during the period when the ROC was recognized by the UN). What do you think? If they revert this edit, talk to the users who reverted that edit. 135.23.144.167 ( talk) 04:08, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
Hi Matt. Thanks for finding a source and correcting the information at Microdata (HTML). [1] A situation like that begs for a detailed edit summary because of the technical nature of the information and reference, and because you've reversed what the content previously said. Without an edit summary the edit could appear to be vandalism or a WP:POV-violation, and the highly technical reference makes it difficult to tell. -- Ronz ( talk) 18:39, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
I reverted this edit of yours. This needs sources describing it as such. I couldn't find regime in any source. -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 03:49, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
Please do not add or change content, as you did at Republic of Formosa, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Lemongirl942 ( talk) 04:34, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. You appear to be repeatedly reverting or undoing other editors' contributions at Republic of Formosa. Although this may seem necessary to protect your preferred version of a page, on Wikipedia this is known as " edit warring" and is usually seen as obstructing the normal editing process, as it often creates animosity between editors. Instead of reverting, please discuss the situation with the editor(s) involved and try to reach a consensus on the talk page.
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What you are doing is called Wikilawyering (and it is disruptive and has led to editors being blocked before). For your information, BRD stands for bold, revert and discuss. You make a bold edit, I revert and then we discuss and attain consensus. (It's there right at the top of WP:BRD btw, so I am amazed if you could not understand it). -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 10:51, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
As for "If you cannot provide a quote, I would then reasonably assume that you misinterpreted the explanatory supplement.
", you can keep assuming anything, but if you are disruptive/edit war, then you will still be blocked. --
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How is this an application of WP:IAR? And again, you refused to discuss but reverted to your preferred version here. Did you check out the discussion on the talk -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 03:01, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
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You have continued to make edits that advance your own personal opinion about the political status of Taiwan, without waiting to get talk page consensus, after being warned at WP:AN3 not to continue. You have stated on your user page, "TAIWAN IS NOT REPUBLIC OF CHINA, NOR IS IT PART OF REPUBLIC OF CHINA." Your have edited Taiwan-related articles in the way that was explained in the AN3 report -- it appears you think that Taiwan was never independent. It's OK to have personal opinions but you are expected to be able to set aside those beliefs when you are editing Wikipedia. EdJohnston ( talk) 16:11, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
Hello Matt, could the demonym for Taiwan to include Chinese too? We know both the PRC and ROC are ONE CHINA. 2607:FEA8:61F:F0AB:C158:98C2:1732:48EE ( talk) 00:36, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
Please discuss this. I noticed the Greek and Russian Wikipedias have the full names of the ROC and PRC. 2607:FEA8:61F:F0AB:5C89:BBA5:CFF6:4F03 ( talk) 00:16, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
There's a discussion on Talk:Taiwan and the second period means the ROC in exile held on to the UN seat. 2607:FEA8:61F:F0AB:19CC:10C8:E1F7:57E8 ( talk) 21:07, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
Please read my reply in disscussion page regarding to your editing advice. ILVTW ( talk) 01:35, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
Hello. I invite you to join a centralized discussion about naming issues related to China and Taiwan. Szqecs ( talk) 04:34, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
Hi there, I am inviting you to participate in this arbitration case I filed regarding the ROC/PRC issue. Supreme Dragon ( talk) 00:46, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
This is to inform you that the request for arbitration in which you were recently named as a party has been declined by the committee and closed. GoldenRing ( talk) 19:44, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
只是觉得Ip在乱写。我不关心政治什么的。祝好。---- 損齋 ( talk) 05:07, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
The article I have created is threaten deletion again. It needs to be discussed and objected at this page because the ROC had three periods. Wrestlingring ( talk) 14:57, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
An article that you have been involved in editing— Flag of the Republic of China—has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. Wrestlingring ( talk) 19:02, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
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I am confused as to why my source was not acceptable. It's from the BBC, which is about as RS as it gets. Kiteinthewind Leave a message! 02:40, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
I read the talk page named " Talk:Taiwan". You support the proposal that change the article's title "Taiwan" to "Republic of China". I also support the proposal. Taiwan is an area belong to China. Taiwan is also an ambiguou term. Taiwan can refer to (1)" Free area of the Republic of China", which de facto controlled by the regime "Republic of China" only since 1949; (2)" Island of Taiwan", an island named "Taiwan" located in East Asia; (3)" Taiwan Province, Republic of China", which is a province of the regime "Republic of China"; (4)" Taiwan Province, People's Republic of China", which is a province claimed by the regime "People's Republic of China". "Republic of China" is a regime which was established in 1912, controlled " Chinese mainland" between 1912 and 1949, de facto controls " Taiwan area" only since 1949, and whose de jure territory consists of the whole China. In conclusion, the regime "Republic of China" is too different from the area "Taiwan". Thus, I hope you can put forward the proposal that change the article's title "Taiwan" to "Republic of China" again in the talk page named " Talk:Taiwan". What is your mind? MouseCatDog ( talk) 13:40, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
Re: your request for page protection, I believe we are dealing with the same person knowingly abusing an open proxy here. See the articles for the president of the PRC and ROC. CaradhrasAiguo ( talk) 03:49, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
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You've been really disruptive recently on the improvement of several Wikipedia pages, one being the "Taiwan" page. The modifications made today are to add information that are authentic and beneficial for the entity of the page. However, your disruptive actions has greatly disturbed the positive progression of Wikipedia.
You will be blocked without further warning if you continue your disruptive editing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jusir the Great ( talk • contribs) 14:18, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
Let's use the discussion page and sort matters out. If I am to understand correctly, you are an Asian living in Taiwan, right? You have a unique perspective on the One-China question, but you can't bring that perspective to the article without sourcing and discussion.
I look forward to working with you on this article. Cheers! -
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I rewrote the introduction because I noticed that someone had vandalised that section during the preceding weeks. Basically, the part where it says "the PRC claims sovereignty over both China and Taiwan" was changed to "the PRC claims sovereignty over both mainland China and Taiwan". This I consider vandalism since there is no consensus over whether Taiwan is actually part of China and the relationship between the two regions that between a "satellite island and the mainland". In fact, based on the Treaty of Shimonoseki and the Treaty of San Francisco, one can conclude that Taiwan is NOT part of China, at least not yet, but rather holds the status of "a foreign territory being occupied by China (ROC)".
This new introduction explained the situation in much more accurate terms, whereas the previous introduction was a lot looser (albeit simpler) and therefore much more ambiguous. By the way, I also wrote the entirety of the previous introduction. It has lasted for several months in spite of that single case of vandalism, so I do think it was fairly decent.
By the way, there is a distinction between "the political situation in/concerning Taiwan" and "the political status of Taiwan". The latter phrase seems to refer to the precise status of the island of Taiwan itself; i.e. whether it is part of China or not. Whereas, the former phrase seems to refer to the broader political issues surrounding Taiwan, and is able to include both the political status of Taiwan itself and the inter-Chinese legitimacy dispute between the CPC and the KMT, as well as the deep and prominent political dispute between the Pan-Blue Coalition and the Pan-Green Coalition, whose worldviews are so fundamentally incompatible that they may as well be living on two different planets.
Note that an alternative to rewriting the introduction is simply to undo the vandalism. However, it seems to be a sort of vandalism which will be frequently repeated. I have seen similar vandalism on the " Music of Taiwan" Wikipedia article, in which all references to Taiwan as a "country" were changed to "province". So, in order to reduce the chances of future vandalism, I replaced all instances of "country" or "province" with "region" (alternatively, "territory"); which Taiwan is of course both a region and a territory, though this leaves ambiguous to whom this region/territory precisely belongs. Likewise, with this particular case, I was also trying to reduce future vandalism by removing anything which might possibly be regarded as "biased" from the article.
Also, note that the main Wikipedia article for Taiwan, i.e. "Taiwan", is heavily monitored and has established certain compromises (which should be made consistent throughout all Taiwan-related articles on Wikipedia). For example, on that particular Wikipedia page, most mentions of the political status of Taiwan, at least in the introduction, refer to the polity as a "state" rather than as a "country" or "province", in order to maintain neutrality. Furthermore, the main article "Taiwan" has established "Taiwan" as the name to be used to refer to the state on Wikipedia, rather than "Republic of China". This is in spite of the fact that the name "Taiwan" is not mentioned in the official name of the state, but is rather a colloquial name for the state. Jargo Nautilus ( talk) 08:08, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
Article 10: For the purposes of the present Treaty, nationals of the Republic of China, shall be deemed to include all the inhabitants and former inhabitants of Taiwan (Formosa) and Penghu (the Pescadores) and their descendents who are of the Chinese nationality in accordance with the laws and regulations which have been or may hereafter be enforced by the Republic of China in Taiwan (Formosa) and Penghu (the Pescadores); and juridical persons of the Republic of China shall be deemed to include all those registered under the laws and regulations which have been or may hereafter be enforced by the Republic of China in Taiwan (Formosa) and Penghu (the Pescadores).
I have taken this article of the Treaty of Taipei to imply that Taiwanese people were considered to be Chinese nationals (i.e. citizens) at that time. This may have already happened earlier, but this was a definitive confirmation of the notion that the Taiwanese people would now be considered to be Chinese. Jargo Nautilus ( talk) 12:45, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
I have noticed that you reverted a recent edit by another user that stated that Taiwan under Qing rule was succeeeded by the Republic of Formosa. Well, actually, this person is correct. However, Taiwan under Qing rule was also succeeded by Taiwan under Japanese rule around the same time. Hence, it should be more correct to say that it was succeeded by both regimes. Although the Republic of Formosa only lasted a few months, it did actually declare independence, and it was organised to some degree. The Republic of Formosa was promptly absorbed by the Empire of Japan, which was already occupying parts of Taiwan (starting with the Pescadores Islands) when it was formed. However, this doesn't automatically remove its legitimacy. Jargo Nautilus ( talk) 23:27, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
EDIT: The Kingdom of Middag and Kingdom of Tungning, both of which were recognised by very few countries, are included in the "preceding and succeeding countries" section of the " Taiwan under Qing rule" article. As such, I believe that it is fair to also include the Republic of Formosa in this section. There is nothing that truly makes the Kingdom of Middag and Kingdom of Tungning somehow "more legitimate" than the Republic of Formosa. Being "temporary" doesn't remove a regime's legitimacy. When the Republic of Formosa was initially formed, it obviously did not intend to be dissolved a few months later. Had it not been dissolved, it might have actually been a long-reigning regime. Jargo Nautilus ( talk) 23:58, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
I don't personally see how it is possible for the fifteen allies of the Republic of China to not recognise it as a sovereign state whilst conducting official diplomatic relations with the Republic of China. Your definition of "the ROC is recognized as the sole representative of China by its allies" is irrelevant since the fifteen allies of the Republic of China do not recognise the People's Republic of China as a sovereign state, and hence it needn't be mentioned. The fifteen allies of the Republic of China recognise the polity (Republic of China) as a sovereign state in and of itself, representing the territories of mainland China, Outer Mongolia, and Taiwan island. You are drawing your definition of "sole representative of China" from the concept of the "One China Policy/Principle". However, the fifteen allies of the Republic of China are either non-signatories to this concept or have previously accepted and then subsequently rejected this concept. The fifteen allies of the Republic of China do not agree to the One China Policy, at least regarding the version of the policy that has been formulated by the People's Republic of China, and hence do not adhere to the idea that the "Republic of China is the sole representative of China". If the Republic of China has its own "One China Policy" that is comparable to the version formulated by the People's Republic of China, then I suggest that you should provide it here. Jargo Nautilus ( talk) 15:23, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
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Can you please provide some sources for this segment in particular? I have nothing against what you have written here. However, I am unfamiliar with Henry Liu and I have not seen any other sources (not that I have been specifically looking for any) suggesting that he is largely responsible for the KMT relinquishing their hold on power. Thanks. Jargo Nautilus ( talk) 14:03, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
Ouch! You've used a template to send a message to an experienced editor. Please review the essay Wikipedia:Don't template the regulars or maybe listen to a little advice. Doesn't this feel cold, impersonal, and canned? It's meant in good humour. Best wishes. BusterD ( talk) 23:51, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
Hi Matt - If you are not already a member of WikiProject Conservatism, you might consider joining. Btw, it took me a minute to figure out that in "WP:RYT", the "RYT" is for "right". LOL, sometimes I'm slow. At any rate, you have wonderful passion for ensuring that we write articles from a neutral point of view, but you're getting reverted repeatedly for a lack of reliable sources. The members of WikiProject Conservatism would be a great resource for mentoring, feedback, collaborative projects, etc. They even have A-Teams to bring Conservatism-related articles up to A-class. I've never seen A-Teams before, but I think it's a brilliant idea. I'm a moderate so I often find myself on both sides of the political divide and I have empathy for conservative-leaning editors. All the best - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) [he/his/him] 04:05, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
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Hi Matt Smith, you reverted my edit under the reason "It is in dispute so should not be included. " What Wikipedia rule/guidelines did you find this requirement? Or was this your personal opinion? If it's personal opinion, then it requires discussion with the other editor before you attempt revert. Also, the FACT is that Taiwan is now currently under the administration of Republic of China, so this is not in dispute, and the "retrocession" was a fact and done deed. Thank you. Mistakefinder ( talk) 17:24, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
To talk page please LVTW2 ( talk) 03:45, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
It seems the users: User:Peter20490930, User:Joot1337 and User:Medanphed created accounts that erased ROC references. Ping the admins for help that it could be a sock puppet. - 184.148.109.46 ( talk) 03:51, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
It seems User:Shunwound had engaged an edit war on the article I am linking. Keep an eye out and block if it happens again. - 184.146.39.97 ( talk) 15:10, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
User:Dosafrog and User:FiveSevenXE had engaged edit wars. See their contributions. - 184.146.39.97 ( talk) 08:54, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
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Hi,
I was having a stroll through WP:Reliable sources/Perennial sources, generally shaking my head while reading it. I'm messaging you because I was reading through the archives regarding Project Veritas and saw your name pop up and wanted to vent a little. I feel like Wikipedia in general is caught in the following negative loop:
- X is considered a reliable source.
- Y is another source that contradicts X.
- This is used as proof that Y is an unreliable source.
It's a bit more flagrant in the case of Project Veritas:
- Veritas has video proof that, say, CBS is unreliable.
- Unsurprisingly, CBS counters that Veritas is unreliable, even though it doesn't have proof for it.
- Because WP has already established CBS as the reliable source, by its own by-laws, CBS trumps Veritas, and Veritas is hereby labeled an unreliable source.
In general, I think this "circling of the wagons" when it comes to "chosen sources" is really creating a huge problem that's only entrenching itself deeper and deeper. In the end, there's a reinforcing locus of sources that never get challenged. It also seems to me that this is the heart of the problems here on WP. If you want to control the content on WP, you simply control the "select list" on WP:Reliable sources/Perennial sources.
How do you keep from getting completely demoralized here?
Fephisto ( talk) 04:16, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
Roc de facto governs Kinmen for example. So it’s not up to debate, or did I misinterpret what you meant? 84.26.190.194 ( talk) 17:25, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
Republic of China consists of more territory than just the island ‘taiwan’" asserts that the Taiwan island is part of the ROC, and that's a controversial assertion. Matt Smith ( talk) 04:25, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Matt, when I asked you to stop bludgeoning the process at RSN I was disappointed to see you only address my minor, literally parenthetical, point about edit conflicts. And this you call respecting my feeling about your comments..? Perhaps I'd better clarify here, to avoid distractions and any embarrassment at the noticeboard: I'm warning you as an admin. I have no opinion on the topic of the discussion you're bludgeoning. To be more blunt: stop overwhelming that thread with the sheer number of your posts, or you may be sanctioned.
As for the edit conflict thing: no, you didn't overwrite my comment, so don't worry about that. But posting incrementally, the way you do, very much raises the likelihood that somebody attempting to respond will find themselves up against an edit conflict, as I was. It's ironic, though not in an amusing way, that immediately after my complaint about it, you took five edits to post your not very long reply. Special:Diff/1120141065, Special:Diff/1120141136, Special:Diff/1120141844, Special:Diff/1120142864, Special:Diff/1120143073. That's a bad habit which bloats up histories and inconveniences other editors. Please try to finish your thought, then proofread it, and then post it. But, again, the serious matter here is the bludgeoning. If you have a comment about that, please respond on point here, and never mind my "feeling". Did you read WP:BLUDGEON as I asked? Bishonen | tålk 12:56, 5 November 2022 (UTC).
To falsely accuse someone of bludgeoning is considered incivil, and should be avoided." I hope you could judge an editor's intention more carefully in the future before bringing up this explanatory essay to him/her so that his/her feeling will not be hurt.
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The article sentence talks about attacking. And the report you cited does not say Trump directed the attack
Are you joking? The entire lead is about Trump directing the attacks, and the report says that as well. We have a preponderance of sources that supports it as well. But you've got me curious. If Trump didn't direct the attacks, who did? Are you saying this wasn't organized? We have evidence that it was. Are you saying Trump wasn't responsible? We know that he was. What exactly are you saying? Because I can't figure it out. Again, if Trump didn't direct the attacks, who did? Please answer the question. You can't have it both ways. Are you going to be one of those last hold outs, like the guy who went to his deathbed denying plate tectonics fifty years after it had been discovered? Are you that guy? We know Trump directed the J6 attacks on the Capitol. There's no question of it, there's no reason to doubt it, and there's no other person to in the blame on. If you disagree, give me an alternate hypothesis to consider, otherwise I will assume that you can't defend your reverts. Viriditas ( talk) 09:31, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
There are currently no overwhelming amount of reliable sources that support any of the speculations. This is 100% false. We have plenty of evidence and a preponderance of reliable sources pointing to Trump. As I said before, why do you think otherwise? In other words. where is the doubt? Are we existing in the same, shared reality? Trump encouraged his supporters to attack the Capitol. This point was covered extensively. Viriditas ( talk) 10:00, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
plenty of evidence and a preponderance of reliable sources" showing/asserting Trump directed the attack. Could you please share some? Matt Smith ( talk) 10:19, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
most “boogaloos” are libertarians who largely oppose Trump".
Thank you for sharing the Reuters article ("U.S. Capitol siege emboldens motley crew of extremists", Jan. 8, 2021). It is odd to me that you hold this up as a paragon of reporting, when it is just several days removed from the fog of the initial event. We know that such articles have primary source value based on the heat of the moment, but as time progresses and new facts and conclusions are drawn, such articles have more historical value than they do accuracy. While I still disagree with your contention that the mainstream media ignored the role of the boogaloo movement, you have raised an interesting point about their political affiliation and attitude towards Trump, and I want to address this. Reuters writes, "most 'boogaloos' are libertarians who largely oppose Trump" who took advantage of J6 to strike against the US government. This, I think, is your point here, and why you have come to the conclusion that Trump had nothing to do with it. Your position makes little sense. Here's why:
Our article on the boogaloo movement describes them as alt-right, anarchist, libertarian, or right-libertarian. None of these things makes them anti-Trump, and in fact, Trump's base is solidly in those camps. This is particularly true of those who subscribe to so-called anarcho-capitalism, which as odd as it sounds, forms the backbone and foundation of post-1964 New Right politics in the US, which transformed itself into post-1980 modern conservatism, i.e. Koch-style libertarianism. All of these political movements brought Trump into office, no matter how much or how little they agreed with each other. Here's the irony of it: just as the boogaloo movement took advantage of the moment during J6, so too did the New Right take advantage of replacing Ted Cruz with Trump as a GOP candidate in 2015. And here's where the parallel becomes clear: just as the boogaloo movement is made-up of a coalition of different political groups, some of whom dislike Trump as you correctly observed, and many of whom have different goals, so too is the coalition of conservative groups that brought Trump to power also composed of disparate, internecine sects at odds with each other, who came together to support Trump as a candidate. The Office meme: "They're the same picture."
To conclude, none of what you said about the boogaloos and their role in J6 changes the political calculus; if anything, your observation about the contrary nature of the boogaloos is consistent with the same conservative coalition that brought him to power. This is why the Game of Thrones metaphor was so popular as a meme during the Trump admin; many different factions were warring with each other to capture the presidency. They came together to support Trump, even though the only strategy they know is that of a circular firing squad. You either know this, or you don't, I can't tell, but I think this puts your entire argument about the open question regarding boogaloos to bed, and I'm afraid it isn't a good one. Unless you have additional evidence to share, I will consider it closed.
Moving on: you have offered me three video links and one additional website link. I will now evaluate them:
These four links all have something in common; they engage in the firehose of falsehood, a Russian propaganda technique in which a large number of messages (in this case, fear, uncertainty, and doubt about who was behind J6) are distributed repetitively on the internet without any concern for their truth value, the lack of supporting evidence, and their contradictory nature. We see this tactic used again and again within the social and political phenomenon known as Trumpism. And it's not a coincidence. The members of this movement have openly embraced Russian propaganda and disinformation tactics to intentionally confuse US society, weaken democracy, and strengthen autocracy and authoritarian values. I think that about covers it. Thanks for your time. Viriditas ( talk) 09:40, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
This thread is mind-blowing. Viriditas, kudos to you, but I fear you're wasting your time. Matt Smith, why aren't you perma banned yet? You have no competency to edit political topics as you don't seem to possess the most basic ability to vet sources for reliability. Your view of January 6 as some sort of false flag operation is a gross conspiracy theory pushed to distract from the fact that Trump and his cohorts secretly planned the events for months, and Steve Bannon revealed what to expect. He knew it would be violent because he knew who was involved in the planning and support. On the day, Trump was warned by the Secret Service that some of his supporters in the crowd were armed, but that didn't bother him. Instead of reacting properly, he demanded the metal detectors be deactivated so those armed supporters could get through ("he told officials to "let my people in" and march to the Capitol." "I don't f-in' care that they have weapons".), and then he sent the crowd, including his armed supporters, to the Capitol. They followed his instructions to fight like hell.
Trump called them "my people". Trump knew they were his supporters. Trump does not support your false flag conspiracy theory.
The four YouTube videos you post above are truly atrocious, yet you trust them and post them as "evidence". Wow! FYI, The Epoch Times isn't just a truly bad source, it is a deprecated source. You need to familiarize yourself with WP:RSP, completely avoid (that means stop reading or viewing) deprecated and poor sources, and stick to mainstream sources, IOW Trump-unfriendly media. Any media outlets that support Trump are also supporting his lies and conspiracy theories. Such sources cannot be trusted and they are not RS here. If you continue to criticize mainstream sources, which are RS here, then you are fighting against our RS policy, and we can't allow that. Advocacy of your fringe POV is forbidden here. You need a topic ban from political topics, at the very least. You would benefit from looking at the lists of good and bad sources here: User:Valjean/Essay/Reliable sources, Trump, and his editors here. -- Valjean ( talk) ( PING me) 18:02, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
Trump the "instigator" of the Jan. 6 attack.
On January 2, 2021, Sen. Mitt Romney contacted Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, predicting that reinforcements would be denied:
Valjean ( talk) ( PING me) 01:17, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
They had no right to be there. 5 minutes would have been straining credulity and that's being generous. 75.142.254.3 ( talk) 16:07, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
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I reverted your edits to Political status of Taiwan because even though you are correct in differentiating the ROC from the island of Taiwan, the point in including recognition of the ROC government is to illustrate how some governments recognize the ROC as a legitimate government (and thus the ruler of Taiwan), whereas others do not. Dschslava Δx parlez moi 04:43, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
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一直以為您是英文維基人,直到我突然發現了這個: zh:Special:diff/42185166 囧rz...-- 逆襲的天邪鬼 ( talk) 06:48, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
Hi there, there's a discussion here regarding the name change of the article. 135.23.144.153 ( talk) 01:49, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
Hi again, you might want to discuss this issue here because the ROC in Taiwan is the continuation of the 1912 ROC similar to how the Baltic states did. 174.88.142.106 ( talk) 17:14, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
If you look closely, the PRC and ROC share the same history as China. I'm thinking the Template:Taiwan topics into Template:China topics since two different country names don't make sense. See Template talk:China topics for more. Wrestlingring ( talk) 03:45, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
Hey Matt, is this right? I edited the Jen-Hsun Huang article and she was born in (Nationalist) China (which was during the period when the ROC was recognized by the UN). What do you think? If they revert this edit, talk to the users who reverted that edit. 135.23.144.167 ( talk) 04:08, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
Hi Matt. Thanks for finding a source and correcting the information at Microdata (HTML). [1] A situation like that begs for a detailed edit summary because of the technical nature of the information and reference, and because you've reversed what the content previously said. Without an edit summary the edit could appear to be vandalism or a WP:POV-violation, and the highly technical reference makes it difficult to tell. -- Ronz ( talk) 18:39, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
I reverted this edit of yours. This needs sources describing it as such. I couldn't find regime in any source. -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 03:49, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
Please do not add or change content, as you did at Republic of Formosa, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Lemongirl942 ( talk) 04:34, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. You appear to be repeatedly reverting or undoing other editors' contributions at Republic of Formosa. Although this may seem necessary to protect your preferred version of a page, on Wikipedia this is known as " edit warring" and is usually seen as obstructing the normal editing process, as it often creates animosity between editors. Instead of reverting, please discuss the situation with the editor(s) involved and try to reach a consensus on the talk page.
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You currently appear to be engaged in an
edit war according to the reverts you have made on
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What you are doing is called Wikilawyering (and it is disruptive and has led to editors being blocked before). For your information, BRD stands for bold, revert and discuss. You make a bold edit, I revert and then we discuss and attain consensus. (It's there right at the top of WP:BRD btw, so I am amazed if you could not understand it). -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 10:51, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
As for "If you cannot provide a quote, I would then reasonably assume that you misinterpreted the explanatory supplement.
", you can keep assuming anything, but if you are disruptive/edit war, then you will still be blocked. --
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How is this an application of WP:IAR? And again, you refused to discuss but reverted to your preferred version here. Did you check out the discussion on the talk -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 03:01, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
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You have continued to make edits that advance your own personal opinion about the political status of Taiwan, without waiting to get talk page consensus, after being warned at WP:AN3 not to continue. You have stated on your user page, "TAIWAN IS NOT REPUBLIC OF CHINA, NOR IS IT PART OF REPUBLIC OF CHINA." Your have edited Taiwan-related articles in the way that was explained in the AN3 report -- it appears you think that Taiwan was never independent. It's OK to have personal opinions but you are expected to be able to set aside those beliefs when you are editing Wikipedia. EdJohnston ( talk) 16:11, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
Hello Matt, could the demonym for Taiwan to include Chinese too? We know both the PRC and ROC are ONE CHINA. 2607:FEA8:61F:F0AB:C158:98C2:1732:48EE ( talk) 00:36, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
Please discuss this. I noticed the Greek and Russian Wikipedias have the full names of the ROC and PRC. 2607:FEA8:61F:F0AB:5C89:BBA5:CFF6:4F03 ( talk) 00:16, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
There's a discussion on Talk:Taiwan and the second period means the ROC in exile held on to the UN seat. 2607:FEA8:61F:F0AB:19CC:10C8:E1F7:57E8 ( talk) 21:07, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
Please read my reply in disscussion page regarding to your editing advice. ILVTW ( talk) 01:35, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
Hello. I invite you to join a centralized discussion about naming issues related to China and Taiwan. Szqecs ( talk) 04:34, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
Hi there, I am inviting you to participate in this arbitration case I filed regarding the ROC/PRC issue. Supreme Dragon ( talk) 00:46, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
This is to inform you that the request for arbitration in which you were recently named as a party has been declined by the committee and closed. GoldenRing ( talk) 19:44, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
只是觉得Ip在乱写。我不关心政治什么的。祝好。---- 損齋 ( talk) 05:07, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
The article I have created is threaten deletion again. It needs to be discussed and objected at this page because the ROC had three periods. Wrestlingring ( talk) 14:57, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
An article that you have been involved in editing— Flag of the Republic of China—has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. Wrestlingring ( talk) 19:02, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
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I am confused as to why my source was not acceptable. It's from the BBC, which is about as RS as it gets. Kiteinthewind Leave a message! 02:40, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
I read the talk page named " Talk:Taiwan". You support the proposal that change the article's title "Taiwan" to "Republic of China". I also support the proposal. Taiwan is an area belong to China. Taiwan is also an ambiguou term. Taiwan can refer to (1)" Free area of the Republic of China", which de facto controlled by the regime "Republic of China" only since 1949; (2)" Island of Taiwan", an island named "Taiwan" located in East Asia; (3)" Taiwan Province, Republic of China", which is a province of the regime "Republic of China"; (4)" Taiwan Province, People's Republic of China", which is a province claimed by the regime "People's Republic of China". "Republic of China" is a regime which was established in 1912, controlled " Chinese mainland" between 1912 and 1949, de facto controls " Taiwan area" only since 1949, and whose de jure territory consists of the whole China. In conclusion, the regime "Republic of China" is too different from the area "Taiwan". Thus, I hope you can put forward the proposal that change the article's title "Taiwan" to "Republic of China" again in the talk page named " Talk:Taiwan". What is your mind? MouseCatDog ( talk) 13:40, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
Re: your request for page protection, I believe we are dealing with the same person knowingly abusing an open proxy here. See the articles for the president of the PRC and ROC. CaradhrasAiguo ( talk) 03:49, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
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You've been really disruptive recently on the improvement of several Wikipedia pages, one being the "Taiwan" page. The modifications made today are to add information that are authentic and beneficial for the entity of the page. However, your disruptive actions has greatly disturbed the positive progression of Wikipedia.
You will be blocked without further warning if you continue your disruptive editing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jusir the Great ( talk • contribs) 14:18, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
Let's use the discussion page and sort matters out. If I am to understand correctly, you are an Asian living in Taiwan, right? You have a unique perspective on the One-China question, but you can't bring that perspective to the article without sourcing and discussion.
I look forward to working with you on this article. Cheers! -
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I rewrote the introduction because I noticed that someone had vandalised that section during the preceding weeks. Basically, the part where it says "the PRC claims sovereignty over both China and Taiwan" was changed to "the PRC claims sovereignty over both mainland China and Taiwan". This I consider vandalism since there is no consensus over whether Taiwan is actually part of China and the relationship between the two regions that between a "satellite island and the mainland". In fact, based on the Treaty of Shimonoseki and the Treaty of San Francisco, one can conclude that Taiwan is NOT part of China, at least not yet, but rather holds the status of "a foreign territory being occupied by China (ROC)".
This new introduction explained the situation in much more accurate terms, whereas the previous introduction was a lot looser (albeit simpler) and therefore much more ambiguous. By the way, I also wrote the entirety of the previous introduction. It has lasted for several months in spite of that single case of vandalism, so I do think it was fairly decent.
By the way, there is a distinction between "the political situation in/concerning Taiwan" and "the political status of Taiwan". The latter phrase seems to refer to the precise status of the island of Taiwan itself; i.e. whether it is part of China or not. Whereas, the former phrase seems to refer to the broader political issues surrounding Taiwan, and is able to include both the political status of Taiwan itself and the inter-Chinese legitimacy dispute between the CPC and the KMT, as well as the deep and prominent political dispute between the Pan-Blue Coalition and the Pan-Green Coalition, whose worldviews are so fundamentally incompatible that they may as well be living on two different planets.
Note that an alternative to rewriting the introduction is simply to undo the vandalism. However, it seems to be a sort of vandalism which will be frequently repeated. I have seen similar vandalism on the " Music of Taiwan" Wikipedia article, in which all references to Taiwan as a "country" were changed to "province". So, in order to reduce the chances of future vandalism, I replaced all instances of "country" or "province" with "region" (alternatively, "territory"); which Taiwan is of course both a region and a territory, though this leaves ambiguous to whom this region/territory precisely belongs. Likewise, with this particular case, I was also trying to reduce future vandalism by removing anything which might possibly be regarded as "biased" from the article.
Also, note that the main Wikipedia article for Taiwan, i.e. "Taiwan", is heavily monitored and has established certain compromises (which should be made consistent throughout all Taiwan-related articles on Wikipedia). For example, on that particular Wikipedia page, most mentions of the political status of Taiwan, at least in the introduction, refer to the polity as a "state" rather than as a "country" or "province", in order to maintain neutrality. Furthermore, the main article "Taiwan" has established "Taiwan" as the name to be used to refer to the state on Wikipedia, rather than "Republic of China". This is in spite of the fact that the name "Taiwan" is not mentioned in the official name of the state, but is rather a colloquial name for the state. Jargo Nautilus ( talk) 08:08, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
Article 10: For the purposes of the present Treaty, nationals of the Republic of China, shall be deemed to include all the inhabitants and former inhabitants of Taiwan (Formosa) and Penghu (the Pescadores) and their descendents who are of the Chinese nationality in accordance with the laws and regulations which have been or may hereafter be enforced by the Republic of China in Taiwan (Formosa) and Penghu (the Pescadores); and juridical persons of the Republic of China shall be deemed to include all those registered under the laws and regulations which have been or may hereafter be enforced by the Republic of China in Taiwan (Formosa) and Penghu (the Pescadores).
I have taken this article of the Treaty of Taipei to imply that Taiwanese people were considered to be Chinese nationals (i.e. citizens) at that time. This may have already happened earlier, but this was a definitive confirmation of the notion that the Taiwanese people would now be considered to be Chinese. Jargo Nautilus ( talk) 12:45, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
I have noticed that you reverted a recent edit by another user that stated that Taiwan under Qing rule was succeeeded by the Republic of Formosa. Well, actually, this person is correct. However, Taiwan under Qing rule was also succeeded by Taiwan under Japanese rule around the same time. Hence, it should be more correct to say that it was succeeded by both regimes. Although the Republic of Formosa only lasted a few months, it did actually declare independence, and it was organised to some degree. The Republic of Formosa was promptly absorbed by the Empire of Japan, which was already occupying parts of Taiwan (starting with the Pescadores Islands) when it was formed. However, this doesn't automatically remove its legitimacy. Jargo Nautilus ( talk) 23:27, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
EDIT: The Kingdom of Middag and Kingdom of Tungning, both of which were recognised by very few countries, are included in the "preceding and succeeding countries" section of the " Taiwan under Qing rule" article. As such, I believe that it is fair to also include the Republic of Formosa in this section. There is nothing that truly makes the Kingdom of Middag and Kingdom of Tungning somehow "more legitimate" than the Republic of Formosa. Being "temporary" doesn't remove a regime's legitimacy. When the Republic of Formosa was initially formed, it obviously did not intend to be dissolved a few months later. Had it not been dissolved, it might have actually been a long-reigning regime. Jargo Nautilus ( talk) 23:58, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
I don't personally see how it is possible for the fifteen allies of the Republic of China to not recognise it as a sovereign state whilst conducting official diplomatic relations with the Republic of China. Your definition of "the ROC is recognized as the sole representative of China by its allies" is irrelevant since the fifteen allies of the Republic of China do not recognise the People's Republic of China as a sovereign state, and hence it needn't be mentioned. The fifteen allies of the Republic of China recognise the polity (Republic of China) as a sovereign state in and of itself, representing the territories of mainland China, Outer Mongolia, and Taiwan island. You are drawing your definition of "sole representative of China" from the concept of the "One China Policy/Principle". However, the fifteen allies of the Republic of China are either non-signatories to this concept or have previously accepted and then subsequently rejected this concept. The fifteen allies of the Republic of China do not agree to the One China Policy, at least regarding the version of the policy that has been formulated by the People's Republic of China, and hence do not adhere to the idea that the "Republic of China is the sole representative of China". If the Republic of China has its own "One China Policy" that is comparable to the version formulated by the People's Republic of China, then I suggest that you should provide it here. Jargo Nautilus ( talk) 15:23, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
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Can you please provide some sources for this segment in particular? I have nothing against what you have written here. However, I am unfamiliar with Henry Liu and I have not seen any other sources (not that I have been specifically looking for any) suggesting that he is largely responsible for the KMT relinquishing their hold on power. Thanks. Jargo Nautilus ( talk) 14:03, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
Ouch! You've used a template to send a message to an experienced editor. Please review the essay Wikipedia:Don't template the regulars or maybe listen to a little advice. Doesn't this feel cold, impersonal, and canned? It's meant in good humour. Best wishes. BusterD ( talk) 23:51, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
Hi Matt - If you are not already a member of WikiProject Conservatism, you might consider joining. Btw, it took me a minute to figure out that in "WP:RYT", the "RYT" is for "right". LOL, sometimes I'm slow. At any rate, you have wonderful passion for ensuring that we write articles from a neutral point of view, but you're getting reverted repeatedly for a lack of reliable sources. The members of WikiProject Conservatism would be a great resource for mentoring, feedback, collaborative projects, etc. They even have A-Teams to bring Conservatism-related articles up to A-class. I've never seen A-Teams before, but I think it's a brilliant idea. I'm a moderate so I often find myself on both sides of the political divide and I have empathy for conservative-leaning editors. All the best - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) [he/his/him] 04:05, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
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Hi Matt Smith, you reverted my edit under the reason "It is in dispute so should not be included. " What Wikipedia rule/guidelines did you find this requirement? Or was this your personal opinion? If it's personal opinion, then it requires discussion with the other editor before you attempt revert. Also, the FACT is that Taiwan is now currently under the administration of Republic of China, so this is not in dispute, and the "retrocession" was a fact and done deed. Thank you. Mistakefinder ( talk) 17:24, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
To talk page please LVTW2 ( talk) 03:45, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
It seems the users: User:Peter20490930, User:Joot1337 and User:Medanphed created accounts that erased ROC references. Ping the admins for help that it could be a sock puppet. - 184.148.109.46 ( talk) 03:51, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
It seems User:Shunwound had engaged an edit war on the article I am linking. Keep an eye out and block if it happens again. - 184.146.39.97 ( talk) 15:10, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
User:Dosafrog and User:FiveSevenXE had engaged edit wars. See their contributions. - 184.146.39.97 ( talk) 08:54, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
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Hi,
I was having a stroll through WP:Reliable sources/Perennial sources, generally shaking my head while reading it. I'm messaging you because I was reading through the archives regarding Project Veritas and saw your name pop up and wanted to vent a little. I feel like Wikipedia in general is caught in the following negative loop:
- X is considered a reliable source.
- Y is another source that contradicts X.
- This is used as proof that Y is an unreliable source.
It's a bit more flagrant in the case of Project Veritas:
- Veritas has video proof that, say, CBS is unreliable.
- Unsurprisingly, CBS counters that Veritas is unreliable, even though it doesn't have proof for it.
- Because WP has already established CBS as the reliable source, by its own by-laws, CBS trumps Veritas, and Veritas is hereby labeled an unreliable source.
In general, I think this "circling of the wagons" when it comes to "chosen sources" is really creating a huge problem that's only entrenching itself deeper and deeper. In the end, there's a reinforcing locus of sources that never get challenged. It also seems to me that this is the heart of the problems here on WP. If you want to control the content on WP, you simply control the "select list" on WP:Reliable sources/Perennial sources.
How do you keep from getting completely demoralized here?
Fephisto ( talk) 04:16, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
Roc de facto governs Kinmen for example. So it’s not up to debate, or did I misinterpret what you meant? 84.26.190.194 ( talk) 17:25, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
Republic of China consists of more territory than just the island ‘taiwan’" asserts that the Taiwan island is part of the ROC, and that's a controversial assertion. Matt Smith ( talk) 04:25, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Matt, when I asked you to stop bludgeoning the process at RSN I was disappointed to see you only address my minor, literally parenthetical, point about edit conflicts. And this you call respecting my feeling about your comments..? Perhaps I'd better clarify here, to avoid distractions and any embarrassment at the noticeboard: I'm warning you as an admin. I have no opinion on the topic of the discussion you're bludgeoning. To be more blunt: stop overwhelming that thread with the sheer number of your posts, or you may be sanctioned.
As for the edit conflict thing: no, you didn't overwrite my comment, so don't worry about that. But posting incrementally, the way you do, very much raises the likelihood that somebody attempting to respond will find themselves up against an edit conflict, as I was. It's ironic, though not in an amusing way, that immediately after my complaint about it, you took five edits to post your not very long reply. Special:Diff/1120141065, Special:Diff/1120141136, Special:Diff/1120141844, Special:Diff/1120142864, Special:Diff/1120143073. That's a bad habit which bloats up histories and inconveniences other editors. Please try to finish your thought, then proofread it, and then post it. But, again, the serious matter here is the bludgeoning. If you have a comment about that, please respond on point here, and never mind my "feeling". Did you read WP:BLUDGEON as I asked? Bishonen | tålk 12:56, 5 November 2022 (UTC).
To falsely accuse someone of bludgeoning is considered incivil, and should be avoided." I hope you could judge an editor's intention more carefully in the future before bringing up this explanatory essay to him/her so that his/her feeling will not be hurt.
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The article sentence talks about attacking. And the report you cited does not say Trump directed the attack
Are you joking? The entire lead is about Trump directing the attacks, and the report says that as well. We have a preponderance of sources that supports it as well. But you've got me curious. If Trump didn't direct the attacks, who did? Are you saying this wasn't organized? We have evidence that it was. Are you saying Trump wasn't responsible? We know that he was. What exactly are you saying? Because I can't figure it out. Again, if Trump didn't direct the attacks, who did? Please answer the question. You can't have it both ways. Are you going to be one of those last hold outs, like the guy who went to his deathbed denying plate tectonics fifty years after it had been discovered? Are you that guy? We know Trump directed the J6 attacks on the Capitol. There's no question of it, there's no reason to doubt it, and there's no other person to in the blame on. If you disagree, give me an alternate hypothesis to consider, otherwise I will assume that you can't defend your reverts. Viriditas ( talk) 09:31, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
There are currently no overwhelming amount of reliable sources that support any of the speculations. This is 100% false. We have plenty of evidence and a preponderance of reliable sources pointing to Trump. As I said before, why do you think otherwise? In other words. where is the doubt? Are we existing in the same, shared reality? Trump encouraged his supporters to attack the Capitol. This point was covered extensively. Viriditas ( talk) 10:00, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
plenty of evidence and a preponderance of reliable sources" showing/asserting Trump directed the attack. Could you please share some? Matt Smith ( talk) 10:19, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
most “boogaloos” are libertarians who largely oppose Trump".
Thank you for sharing the Reuters article ("U.S. Capitol siege emboldens motley crew of extremists", Jan. 8, 2021). It is odd to me that you hold this up as a paragon of reporting, when it is just several days removed from the fog of the initial event. We know that such articles have primary source value based on the heat of the moment, but as time progresses and new facts and conclusions are drawn, such articles have more historical value than they do accuracy. While I still disagree with your contention that the mainstream media ignored the role of the boogaloo movement, you have raised an interesting point about their political affiliation and attitude towards Trump, and I want to address this. Reuters writes, "most 'boogaloos' are libertarians who largely oppose Trump" who took advantage of J6 to strike against the US government. This, I think, is your point here, and why you have come to the conclusion that Trump had nothing to do with it. Your position makes little sense. Here's why:
Our article on the boogaloo movement describes them as alt-right, anarchist, libertarian, or right-libertarian. None of these things makes them anti-Trump, and in fact, Trump's base is solidly in those camps. This is particularly true of those who subscribe to so-called anarcho-capitalism, which as odd as it sounds, forms the backbone and foundation of post-1964 New Right politics in the US, which transformed itself into post-1980 modern conservatism, i.e. Koch-style libertarianism. All of these political movements brought Trump into office, no matter how much or how little they agreed with each other. Here's the irony of it: just as the boogaloo movement took advantage of the moment during J6, so too did the New Right take advantage of replacing Ted Cruz with Trump as a GOP candidate in 2015. And here's where the parallel becomes clear: just as the boogaloo movement is made-up of a coalition of different political groups, some of whom dislike Trump as you correctly observed, and many of whom have different goals, so too is the coalition of conservative groups that brought Trump to power also composed of disparate, internecine sects at odds with each other, who came together to support Trump as a candidate. The Office meme: "They're the same picture."
To conclude, none of what you said about the boogaloos and their role in J6 changes the political calculus; if anything, your observation about the contrary nature of the boogaloos is consistent with the same conservative coalition that brought him to power. This is why the Game of Thrones metaphor was so popular as a meme during the Trump admin; many different factions were warring with each other to capture the presidency. They came together to support Trump, even though the only strategy they know is that of a circular firing squad. You either know this, or you don't, I can't tell, but I think this puts your entire argument about the open question regarding boogaloos to bed, and I'm afraid it isn't a good one. Unless you have additional evidence to share, I will consider it closed.
Moving on: you have offered me three video links and one additional website link. I will now evaluate them:
These four links all have something in common; they engage in the firehose of falsehood, a Russian propaganda technique in which a large number of messages (in this case, fear, uncertainty, and doubt about who was behind J6) are distributed repetitively on the internet without any concern for their truth value, the lack of supporting evidence, and their contradictory nature. We see this tactic used again and again within the social and political phenomenon known as Trumpism. And it's not a coincidence. The members of this movement have openly embraced Russian propaganda and disinformation tactics to intentionally confuse US society, weaken democracy, and strengthen autocracy and authoritarian values. I think that about covers it. Thanks for your time. Viriditas ( talk) 09:40, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
This thread is mind-blowing. Viriditas, kudos to you, but I fear you're wasting your time. Matt Smith, why aren't you perma banned yet? You have no competency to edit political topics as you don't seem to possess the most basic ability to vet sources for reliability. Your view of January 6 as some sort of false flag operation is a gross conspiracy theory pushed to distract from the fact that Trump and his cohorts secretly planned the events for months, and Steve Bannon revealed what to expect. He knew it would be violent because he knew who was involved in the planning and support. On the day, Trump was warned by the Secret Service that some of his supporters in the crowd were armed, but that didn't bother him. Instead of reacting properly, he demanded the metal detectors be deactivated so those armed supporters could get through ("he told officials to "let my people in" and march to the Capitol." "I don't f-in' care that they have weapons".), and then he sent the crowd, including his armed supporters, to the Capitol. They followed his instructions to fight like hell.
Trump called them "my people". Trump knew they were his supporters. Trump does not support your false flag conspiracy theory.
The four YouTube videos you post above are truly atrocious, yet you trust them and post them as "evidence". Wow! FYI, The Epoch Times isn't just a truly bad source, it is a deprecated source. You need to familiarize yourself with WP:RSP, completely avoid (that means stop reading or viewing) deprecated and poor sources, and stick to mainstream sources, IOW Trump-unfriendly media. Any media outlets that support Trump are also supporting his lies and conspiracy theories. Such sources cannot be trusted and they are not RS here. If you continue to criticize mainstream sources, which are RS here, then you are fighting against our RS policy, and we can't allow that. Advocacy of your fringe POV is forbidden here. You need a topic ban from political topics, at the very least. You would benefit from looking at the lists of good and bad sources here: User:Valjean/Essay/Reliable sources, Trump, and his editors here. -- Valjean ( talk) ( PING me) 18:02, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
Trump the "instigator" of the Jan. 6 attack.
On January 2, 2021, Sen. Mitt Romney contacted Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, predicting that reinforcements would be denied:
Valjean ( talk) ( PING me) 01:17, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
They had no right to be there. 5 minutes would have been straining credulity and that's being generous. 75.142.254.3 ( talk) 16:07, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
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