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Seems to work! Nice job. Coastside ( talk) 06:54, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
Hi, and thanks for your Third Opinion. I've replied here -- 92.118.252.49 ( talk) 16:05, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
You're welcome. I posted a reply with some clarifying questions. Regards. Coastside ( talk) 10:41, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
-- 92.118.252.49 ( talk) 19:17, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
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thanks, i don't recall if the ship is shown first, or the alien, but your note reads better. Semitransgenic talk. 10:42, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
I haven't seen the movie, but as it reads now it says the two events are happening at the same time anyway. Coastside ( talk) 10:47, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
Ive reverted a couple of your many changes to the Go article, with explanations in the summaries. It seemed you just didn't understand the point of those passages. - Stevertigo ( t | c) 07:09, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
As for introducing the basic concept of counting, clearly everyone reading the article knows how to count. Is it really any different in Go? If you are going to say something specific about counting, such as "many Go professionals will count the score after each move in the end game", then that's saying something meaningful.- This is incorrect IMHO. Remember in my revert comment I indicated that there were two concepts introduced - counting and the idea of relative liberties. Of course everyone knows how to count, but not everyone knows what counting means in the context of Go. And by counting I don't mean counting the score, I mean counting in the context of a semeai - a contest of liberties. Again this is a fundamental concept in Go.
As for "relative liberties", I agree that's an important concept, but the sentence "The liberties of groups are countable" doesn't say anything about relative liberties. Again, it is the phrase "the group with more liberties" that says something about relative liberties.- But the issue of countability is essential to understanding relative liberties. And the concept of countability is simple enough to understand. Hence the phrase "liberties are countable" acts as a transition - a simple introduction to a more advanced concept.
Thank you for responding to the third opinion request. If you could please clarify your comments in light of my reply, I won't harass you further. Savidan 01:44, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
This certainly is not per WP:AUTO??? :)— Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • ( yo?); June 21, 2012; 15:54 (UTC)
If you place a "dubious" tag, you have to discuss it on the talk page. That's why there's a "discuss" link in the tag. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 21:55, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi Coastside. I thought you might have a helpful perspective on this: Talk:Jabberwocks w/r/t the deletion of the membership list in the Jabberwocks infobox. Great work building out the article, I just think that particular feature may be unwieldy. Thomas Craven ( talk) 19:01, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
{{ Surname}} is in Category:Set index article templates which is in Category:Disambiguation and redirection templates. Since it is not a redirection, it is a disambiguation.
Also, WP:MOSDAB says "Set index article exception was designed to be narrow: for pages that contain links to articles about different topics, please follow this style guide for disambiguation pages"
Therefore IMO {{ disambig-cleanup}} is perfectly legal.
Anyway, I raised the issue at Template_talk:Disambiguation_cleanup#Surname lists cleanup, please continue the discussion there. Staszek Lem ( talk) 01:04, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
Re [1]. First off, if you'd like to move the dab page, then you have to.. well, move it (not cut-and-paste the content at the target title as it fragments the history of the page). If you're technically prevented from moving it, then you can place a request for somebody else to do it at WP:RMT). But in this case there's also another issue at stake: changing a redirect to an article into a dab page entails a change of primary topic. I don't have any personal opinion on this one, but if you believe there isn't a primary topic, then that would be tied up with renaming Al Shorta SC – as this article's title also applies to most of the other entries on the dab page. If there's no primary topic for "Al Shorta" then there probably isn't one for "Al Shorta FC" and that article would need to be renamed too. – Uanfala (talk) 00:07, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
Al-Shorta SC is a football club based in Baghdad, Iraq that plays in the Iraqi Premier League.
Al-Shorta may also refer to:
Coastside ( talk) 01:24, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for clarifying, that makes more sense and I've deleted it. Hut 8.5 07:38, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
I don't know what metrics you're using, but none of the name articles I've just fixed could possibly be considered primary. You should not be making name articles the primary topic without a requested move. I will fix them if there's no consensus for it. — Xezbeth ( talk) 20:05, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
Hello - I am new to the DR volunteer team and have been perusing a variety of DR cases to get a better handle on how these things are dealt with and also how the moderators successfully (or maybe unsuccessfully) deal with the various issues and personalities involved. I must say, I think you handled this one quite well - I obseve many things to takeaway from this case that I will keep in my personal toolbox for future use. Great job. airuditious ( talk) 22:59, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for your effort, I guess... except I'm disappointed you did not appear to understand my argument with Debresser.
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Debresser did not understand any of this. Did he engage in talk discussion? Did he assume good faith? Did he ask me to explain my edit? No, no, and no.
Instead he reverted me. He refused to discuss on talk. He communicated only through the revert edit summaries.
Then when I wasted a bit of my time to set up a talk discussion for him, he still did nothing to understand my edit. He offered no constructive suggestions whatsoever. He reverted over and over again, and as you (hopefully) read in the discussion, demanded that I proved the need of the comment.
Which as I am sure you understand is preposterous. How can a wiki comment ever be necessary? No, it's all a smokescreen - he doesn't like something, he reverts it, and only the complete waste of the other editor's time is acceptable to him. At no time did he work with me in improving my contribution to reach a mutually agreeable solution.
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Good catch but this should be a single nom listing all those terms, not several separate noms. It will be confusing if we don't list them all in one place. Also I suggest pinging WT:MILHIST and WT:ESTONIA. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:16, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
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Hello Coastside, I have no idea how DRN works. Please help. I can't even figure out the talk page properly. It is way too complicated. Is there any other way of exchanging information such as email? Bmojaddidi ( talk) 01:02, 20 May 2020 (UTC)Bmojaddidi
I got your message. To be honest, I haven't done anything to my account. I do not know why it shows as deleted. I would still would want to see some correction done on the pages related to the Greater Khorasan or as we Persians call it "Ancient Khorasan." Somebody is systematically changing the most important information in Persian related sites.
For example on Al-biruni page ( /info/en/?search=Al-Biruni ) his nationality is listed as Iranian. He was born in Biruni but lived and died in Ghazni during the Ghaznavid dynasty. How is he Iranian? In a few more pages there is a mention of Greater Iran. There was no such thing as Greater Iran. Greater Persia may be more acceptable.
Or the information regarding the Persians (Persian nationals) which also states they were ancient Iranians.
By far the agreed information regarding Persians is that they first lived in and around Oxus River (Amu Darya) such as Balkh, Badakhshan, Takhar, and eventually emigrated to other parts of the Asia.
Like I said somebody is systematically trying to wipe the actual ancient Persians and make everything look and be from Iran that became Iran in 1979 or something.
Those aforementioned pages and most other ones need some proper correction that does not violate the rule and history of Tajiks (Afghan and Tajikistan Persians) who are actually the ancient Persians/ Parsis. Because Balkh province of Afghanistan is where it all started for Persians.
All the edit I have been doing keep on reverting back to the other information.
At the meantime I am trying to find books that are not biased and make everything iranianized. Thank you. Bmojaddidi ( talk) 02:25, 18 May 2020 (UTC)Bmojaddidi
@ Bmojaddidi: To reply to someone specifically use {{reply|username}}. For me that would be {{reply|Coastside}}. You place that tag before the message on a talk page. In this case, you edit my talk page (or yours) and add that tag to notify me. I did this for you by adding {{Re|Bmojaddidi}} before my message. To get help how to edit on Wikipedia, you can post questions at the Help desk or read some introduction info at Help. For disputes, you should read WP:Dispute resolution. For your particular dispute, I suggest you engage further with other editors on the talk page of the article. You can solicit opinions of other editors using WP:RFC but in general that is something to do only after significant effort has been made to negotiate a resolution on the article talk page. I hope that helps. Coastside ( talk) 04:11, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
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Thank you for creating List of plants known as laurel.
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Meatsgains( talk) 01:20, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
@ Meatsgains:
I added a footnote pointing to the linked articles for additional common names and removed the removed the tag you added.
As per WP:LISTVERIFY, inclusion in this list qualifies as "obviously appropriate material". The common name is verifiable in the linked article, and the name itself justifies inclusion in the list (by definition).
Please also note the category Set indices on plant common names includes many similar list articles, and they generally are unsourced except for the fact that the listed articles mention the common name. For example, List of plants known as nettle is similarly unsourced.
Coastside ( talk) 02:22, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
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I am well aware of
WP:TPO, which does not supersede
Wikipedia:Civility#Removal_of_uncivil_comments. Specifically, Exceptions include to remove obvious trolling
. That is as clear a trolling comment as could be possible: unprovoked, no contribution to the discussion, meant solely to annoy. I have removed it again. If you reinstate it, I will take the matter to an admin.
I have a certain amount of forbearance for Lord Such & Such's lack of discussion capacity, since they are a relatively new editor, but I can really do without misguided if well-meaning backseat condoning from others. It looks as if we are closing in on a usable consensus, so let's please stick to that without further active enabling of kindergarten behaviour. -- Elmidae ( talk · contribs) 02:53, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
@ Elmidae: I know you said you're aware, but WP:TPO says:
"Removing harmful posts, including personal attacks, trolling, and vandalism. This generally does not extend to messages that are merely uncivil"
To say his comment, which wasn't even explicitly directed at you, was "trolling" and went beyond mere incivility is not defensible. Most reasonable people, including me, probably see him as rather annoying, but to say his comment is "as clear a trolling comment as could be possible" is beyond hyperbole. Most readers wouldn't even have picked up on the fact that his comment was even directed at you. Incivility is not trolling, and you shouldn't have removed his edit. By admitting he got under your skin, you are actually encouraging him. Coastside ( talk) 04:15, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
Coastside- I am afraid to continue pressing my point with respect to the Russell Islands discussion at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard for fear that my participation in the discussion will be used as evidence of NOTHERE or CIR or that any of that will be brought up in an ANI (words I have learned from reading posts about how bad a user I am). Do you have any suggestions on how I can extricate myself from the discussion? Thanks for any advice. Geographyinitiative ( talk) 22:47, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
One last thing: be careful about linking to an admin's user page. Apparently, this is considered "pinging" them, even if you don't explicitly "ping" them using the {{ ping}} template. If you link to their talk page too many times, it's a serious crime.I mean it's true. There is no difference between {{ping|someUsername}} and [[User:someUsername]] in practice. They both ping (give a notification at the bell at the top of the page). Look at WP:PING.
You can "mention" a user called Example by making an edit with a link to their user page (writing [[User:Example]], {{u|Example}}, {{User|Example}}, {{user link|Example}}, {{ping|Example}}, {{Yo|Example}}, or {{reply to|Example}}) and signing the edit using four tildes (~~~~). The user "Example" will then get a notification saying where they were mentioned. This is sometimes called "pinging". See Help:Talk pages#Notifications for more information. If you want to link to a user page without pinging, you use Template:No ping, or {{np|someUsername}} for short. Here I'll prove it and take on this risk myself: Drmies :) Leijurv ( talk) 05:32, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
Note: the title of this section was updated from the original by an admin User:Johnuniq (see reason below). I subsequently edited it again to reflect the intent of my post. 02:33, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
@ Ivanvector: I appreciate your response about my complaint about Dmries's abusive behavior on his talk page. Specifically: "Coastside, I for one appreciate and applaud your sentiment of going to bat for an editor being bullied, and while I cannot speak for him, I think you would find on any other day that Drmies would say so as well. Wikipedia would be a better place if more editors did so, frankly."
You're the first editor to even acknowledge that I was fundamentally defending the victim of cyberbullying on Wikipedia by an admin. It was very disappointing to see how other admins handled the discussion. It was juvenile.
I'm copying your comment and responding here, because I'm now persona non-grata on Drmies's talk page. In all honesty, I believe he baited me to respond so he could take retribution against me if I commented further there. No, I'm not kidding. In my last comment on Drmies's talk page I was responding to a question by another editor, apparently someone who felt the need to pile on. I wasn't harassing Dmries on his talk page, and I wasn't dragging out the conversation. I was asked a question and I answered it, short and sweet, in good faith. The fact that Dmries responded with his "not welcome" comment is a reflection that he likes to have the last word (that's why he didn't just bow out of the original DRN as Diannaa has the perspicacity to do) - he's lacks the self-awareness to do that. You say on other days he might have demonstrated a more reasonable response. I doubt that. The "not welcome here" is exactly the culture I'm objecting to. He believes his talk page and Wikipedia generally are territory for elite editors and not for editors he deems unworthy. This is a dangerous culture that has already done damage to Wikipedia and it's a big reason why more people choose not to participate in the community. It's destructive, and for an admin, given their special status, abusive. Coastside ( talk) 21:50, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
However, you are on the wrong side of this one." which followed the polite assumption of good faith ( diff)?
From
MIT Technology Review: The Decline of Wikipedia:
...The main source of those problems is not mysterious. The loose collective running the site today, estimated to be 90 percent male, operates a crushing bureaucracy with an often abrasive atmosphere that deters newcomers who might increase participation in Wikipedia. ... some editors started a page called WikiProject Editor Retention with the idea of creating a place to brainstorm ideas about helping newcomers and fostering a friendlier atmosphere. Today the most vibrant parts of that project’s discussion page have gripes about “bullying done by administrators”, etc.
Coastside ( talk) 02:33, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
Tom Simonite of MIT Technology Review said that for several years running the number of Wikipedia editors had been falling and claimed the bureaucratic structure and rules are a factor in this. Simonite alleged that some Wikipedians use the labyrinthine rules and guidelines to dominate others and have a vested interest in keeping the status quo.
User:Drmies, as per WP:NOBAN, and since you aren't accepting comments from me on your talk page, even in response to your personal attacks against me, you're not welcome on my talk page either. So, "go away".
For record's sake, and to document continued disappointing behavior by an admin, and in case anyone other than Drmies is actually still following this...
On Drmies's talk page, I complained about his behavior toward another editor. He asked me not to comment there, and I didn't. He then responded on his talk page (in the very same thread) to the discussion between User:Johnuniq and I here on my talk page. I responded to his negative comments about me, and he subsequently deleted my response.
Here's a record of how he deleted my response to his personal attack: [ delete history]
And here's the text of his personal attack and my subsequently response (which he deleted without deleting his own derogatory remarks about me):
- User:Johnuniq, I appreciate what you were trying to do on their talk page, but like all the other bits of advice it fell on deaf ears, and I see that you also are now being patronized and held accountable for the decline in new editors--or whatever. I wouldn't have known about it if Coastside didn't feel the need to ping me, which is silly and childish, of course, but their only way to get at me after I told them to not come back to this talk page, and after the ANI thread was closed. There's no point in arguing with such editors; one wished they'd get a hobby, or write some articles. Thanks..., Drmies ( talk) 16:07, 14 November 2020 (UTC) [signature as in the original]
DrMies, it's inappropriate for you to tell me I'm "unwelcome" here, and then to respond in this thread to a conversation I was having with User:Johnuniq on on my own talk page. Being an admin, I respected you telling me I "wasn't welcome" and stopped commenting. I fear you will take retribution against me if I don't respect your administrative authority in telling me to "go away". You're welcome to discuss with Johnuniq anywhere else, but not on this thread if I'm not invited to respond. I suggest we close this thread if you don't want to discuss it further. Plus, a "bit of advice" for you, too: you don't want to create the impression that you are trying to defend your reputation here and sully mine with your comments, while at the same time not allowing me to respond. This thread isn't a paper trail for you to whitewash what happened - it was me raising concerns about your behavior toward another editor. The issue is closed, so please don't drag it out further.
Regarding your comment above: You accused me of being "patronizing", which means "apparently kind or helpful but betraying a feeling of superiority; condescending" (Oxford)
In the same paragraph you said:
- "like all the other bits of advice it fell on deaf ears"
- "or whatever" * "silly and childish"
- "their only way to get at me after I told them to not come back to this talk page"
- "no point in arguing with such editors"
- "one wished they'd get a hobby"
Readers can decide for themselves whose being patronizing and condescending. Coastside ( talk) 17:32, 14 November 2020 (UTC) [signature as in the original]
Again, for the record, now I've documented Drmies's propensity to personally attack editors without recourse via dispute resolution and without letting them respond. If his abusive behavior continues, I suppose I'll have to now take this up with the arbitration committee. I expect they take the matter more seriously than he apparently does.
I want to thank Drmies for illustrating so clearly how Simonite was right in his observations about the self-righteous, dominating mentality of admins on Wikipedia. Fortunately, they aren't all that way. But sadly many are.
Here's another article worth reading about the toxicity of the culture on Wikipedia: The Culture War Has Finally Come for Wikipedia Coastside ( talk) 20:23, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
Turns out it was actually Floquenbeam who reverted my response on Drmies's talk page after he made personal attacks about me. It's notable how Floquenbeam didn't feel it sufficient for Drmies to handle his own talk page by himself. He felt compelled to intervene on Drmies's behalf. This is similar to how Johnuniq felt compelled to actually change the heading I wrote for this topic in my personal talk page (seriously!). Three separate admins rallying to defend on of their own over accusations of bullying another editor, like Crabbe and Goyle rushing to defend Malfoy. One would think they wouldn't feel the need to pile on like that since the one they rushed to defend already demonstrated a willingness to wield threats of administrative sanction to assert his authority.
This is classic example of what's known as group bullying or Mobbing. In Beyond Bullying: Peacebuilding at Work, School and Home in Psychology Today, the author argues that mobbing is a form of group aggression innate to primates, and that those who engage in mobbing are ... responding in a predictable and patterned manner when someone in a position of leadership or influence communicates to the group that someone must go.
In short, this pattern of admin abuse is not just what Simonite referred to as a needing to "dominate others and have a vested interest in keeping the status quo". It's also a rudimentary manifestation of primitive aggressive tribalism. Either way, certainly toxic for those editors not in the "gang".
Oh, and Floquenbeam and Johnuniq, per WP:NOBAN, you're not welcome to make edits to my talk page. And, as you said, Floquenbeam, in reverting my edit on Drmies's talk page, "not welcome means not welcome". Coastside ( talk) 06:51, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
User:Drmies I'd like to ask you to please remove the derogatory comments you made about me on your talk page.
You told me I was not welcome on your talk page, and I respected that. Then you chose to make derogatory comments about me there. When I replied, objecting to what you said, another admin, Floquenbeam, took it upon himself to reverse my comment with the note "not how it works. 'not welcome' means not welcome.". I realize it wasn't you who reversed the comment, but I don't think it's acceptable to make derogatory comments about me on your talk page and not allow me to respond. I feel your personal attack would be inappropriate in any context, but especially in the context where I raised a formal complaint about your bevior as an admin. The fact that you made those remarks in a thread where I had admonished you feels to me like verbal retribution.
I realize the case I opened about your behavior is now closed, and I'm not reopening that discussion here. I'm simply asking you to remove your subsequent disparagement of me.
Specifically, I'd like you to delete your comment:
Johnuniq, I appreciate what you were trying to do on their talk page, but like all the other bits of advice it fell on deaf ears, and I see that you also are now being patronized and held accountable for the decline in new editors--or whatever. I wouldn't have known about it if Coastside didn't feel the need to ping me, which is silly and childish, of course, but their only way to get at me after I told them to not come back to this talk page, and after the ANI thread was closed. There's no point in arguing with such editors; one wished they'd get a hobby, or write some articles. Thanks..., Drmies (talk) 16:07, 14 November 2020 (UTC) [original signature]
The reasons I feel these comments are derogatory are:
I believe these comments constitute personal, ad hominem attacks, and per WP:TALKNO they don't belong on a talk page. I would remove your comments from your talk page myself, as I have an explicit right to do according to policy regardless of whether you want me commenting on your page, but since you are an admin, I am fearful you will sanction me for not having heeded your authority.
So please remove the derogatory comments yourself.
Thank you.
P.S. I really don't want to discuss this with you or any other admin. I don't need more "friendly" coaching. Just remove the comment and let's be done with it.
P.P.S I know you asked me not to ping you. I have a right to ask you to remove an ad hominen attack against me. Given you don't want me to comment on your talk page, I have to ping you to make this request. So please don't sanction me for that. Coastside ( talk) 09:19, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
@ Drmies: Pinging you again as you haven't removed the insulting remarks you made about me and you haven't replied. I'm serious in saying I object to being insulted and not being permitted to respond. Please delete your remarks. Coastside ( talk) 10:30, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
Now Coastside, this continued goading of yours is absurd, of course: you keep pinging me, complaining about how you're not allowed to be on my talk page, when you yourself have also banned me from your talk page: "User:Drmies, as per WP:NOBAN, and since you aren't accepting comments from me on your talk page, even in response to your personal attacks against me, you're not welcome on my talk page either. So, "go away"." So I suppose that this very post, which I am writing here at your request, is a violation? Maybe you'll add that to the long list of charges in my admin abuse case. Well, I trust other editors will see your complaints for what they're worth. And the next time you ping me, I will ask that you be warned and/or blocked for harassment. Similarly, since I may not talk about you on my talk page because you are not welcome there, you may not talk about me on your talk page--that is how that works. If you have anything to say to me, or about me, you can do that on AN, on ANI, or in an arbitration forum, and I don't even need you to notify me.
Drmies (
talk) 15:46, 17 November 2020 (UTC) [deleted unwanted bullying and threatening] 01:45, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Superstitions in Muslim societies is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Superstitions in Muslim societies until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
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Why there was Removal of Places named after Khan from the wikipedia article? Please provide a valid reason. Saifullah.vguj ( talk) 11:27, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
But name of places are on Khan (surname) so they should be a part of the article. Saifullah.vguj ( talk) 15:39, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
For example Khan market a place is named after person Abdul jabbar Khan, whose surname was Khan. And there are many other examples also. Saifullah.vguj ( talk) 15:46, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Khan Market is the name of place. Saifullah.vguj ( talk) 15:47, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Yes of course We can do this, and Create a wiki page about List of Places named Khan, but I undid your revision so what can we do now? Saifullah.vguj ( talk) 03:20, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
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Hi, and thanks for your Third Opinion. I've replied here -- 92.118.252.49 ( talk) 16:05, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
You're welcome. I posted a reply with some clarifying questions. Regards. Coastside ( talk) 10:41, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
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thanks, i don't recall if the ship is shown first, or the alien, but your note reads better. Semitransgenic talk. 10:42, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
I haven't seen the movie, but as it reads now it says the two events are happening at the same time anyway. Coastside ( talk) 10:47, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
Ive reverted a couple of your many changes to the Go article, with explanations in the summaries. It seemed you just didn't understand the point of those passages. - Stevertigo ( t | c) 07:09, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
As for introducing the basic concept of counting, clearly everyone reading the article knows how to count. Is it really any different in Go? If you are going to say something specific about counting, such as "many Go professionals will count the score after each move in the end game", then that's saying something meaningful.- This is incorrect IMHO. Remember in my revert comment I indicated that there were two concepts introduced - counting and the idea of relative liberties. Of course everyone knows how to count, but not everyone knows what counting means in the context of Go. And by counting I don't mean counting the score, I mean counting in the context of a semeai - a contest of liberties. Again this is a fundamental concept in Go.
As for "relative liberties", I agree that's an important concept, but the sentence "The liberties of groups are countable" doesn't say anything about relative liberties. Again, it is the phrase "the group with more liberties" that says something about relative liberties.- But the issue of countability is essential to understanding relative liberties. And the concept of countability is simple enough to understand. Hence the phrase "liberties are countable" acts as a transition - a simple introduction to a more advanced concept.
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This certainly is not per WP:AUTO??? :)— Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • ( yo?); June 21, 2012; 15:54 (UTC)
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Hi Coastside. I thought you might have a helpful perspective on this: Talk:Jabberwocks w/r/t the deletion of the membership list in the Jabberwocks infobox. Great work building out the article, I just think that particular feature may be unwieldy. Thomas Craven ( talk) 19:01, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
{{ Surname}} is in Category:Set index article templates which is in Category:Disambiguation and redirection templates. Since it is not a redirection, it is a disambiguation.
Also, WP:MOSDAB says "Set index article exception was designed to be narrow: for pages that contain links to articles about different topics, please follow this style guide for disambiguation pages"
Therefore IMO {{ disambig-cleanup}} is perfectly legal.
Anyway, I raised the issue at Template_talk:Disambiguation_cleanup#Surname lists cleanup, please continue the discussion there. Staszek Lem ( talk) 01:04, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
Re [1]. First off, if you'd like to move the dab page, then you have to.. well, move it (not cut-and-paste the content at the target title as it fragments the history of the page). If you're technically prevented from moving it, then you can place a request for somebody else to do it at WP:RMT). But in this case there's also another issue at stake: changing a redirect to an article into a dab page entails a change of primary topic. I don't have any personal opinion on this one, but if you believe there isn't a primary topic, then that would be tied up with renaming Al Shorta SC – as this article's title also applies to most of the other entries on the dab page. If there's no primary topic for "Al Shorta" then there probably isn't one for "Al Shorta FC" and that article would need to be renamed too. – Uanfala (talk) 00:07, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
Al-Shorta SC is a football club based in Baghdad, Iraq that plays in the Iraqi Premier League.
Al-Shorta may also refer to:
Coastside ( talk) 01:24, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for clarifying, that makes more sense and I've deleted it. Hut 8.5 07:38, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
I don't know what metrics you're using, but none of the name articles I've just fixed could possibly be considered primary. You should not be making name articles the primary topic without a requested move. I will fix them if there's no consensus for it. — Xezbeth ( talk) 20:05, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
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Thank you for your effort, I guess... except I'm disappointed you did not appear to understand my argument with Debresser.
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Debresser did not understand any of this. Did he engage in talk discussion? Did he assume good faith? Did he ask me to explain my edit? No, no, and no.
Instead he reverted me. He refused to discuss on talk. He communicated only through the revert edit summaries.
Then when I wasted a bit of my time to set up a talk discussion for him, he still did nothing to understand my edit. He offered no constructive suggestions whatsoever. He reverted over and over again, and as you (hopefully) read in the discussion, demanded that I proved the need of the comment.
Which as I am sure you understand is preposterous. How can a wiki comment ever be necessary? No, it's all a smokescreen - he doesn't like something, he reverts it, and only the complete waste of the other editor's time is acceptable to him. At no time did he work with me in improving my contribution to reach a mutually agreeable solution.
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Hello Coastside, I have no idea how DRN works. Please help. I can't even figure out the talk page properly. It is way too complicated. Is there any other way of exchanging information such as email? Bmojaddidi ( talk) 01:02, 20 May 2020 (UTC)Bmojaddidi
I got your message. To be honest, I haven't done anything to my account. I do not know why it shows as deleted. I would still would want to see some correction done on the pages related to the Greater Khorasan or as we Persians call it "Ancient Khorasan." Somebody is systematically changing the most important information in Persian related sites.
For example on Al-biruni page ( /info/en/?search=Al-Biruni ) his nationality is listed as Iranian. He was born in Biruni but lived and died in Ghazni during the Ghaznavid dynasty. How is he Iranian? In a few more pages there is a mention of Greater Iran. There was no such thing as Greater Iran. Greater Persia may be more acceptable.
Or the information regarding the Persians (Persian nationals) which also states they were ancient Iranians.
By far the agreed information regarding Persians is that they first lived in and around Oxus River (Amu Darya) such as Balkh, Badakhshan, Takhar, and eventually emigrated to other parts of the Asia.
Like I said somebody is systematically trying to wipe the actual ancient Persians and make everything look and be from Iran that became Iran in 1979 or something.
Those aforementioned pages and most other ones need some proper correction that does not violate the rule and history of Tajiks (Afghan and Tajikistan Persians) who are actually the ancient Persians/ Parsis. Because Balkh province of Afghanistan is where it all started for Persians.
All the edit I have been doing keep on reverting back to the other information.
At the meantime I am trying to find books that are not biased and make everything iranianized. Thank you. Bmojaddidi ( talk) 02:25, 18 May 2020 (UTC)Bmojaddidi
@ Bmojaddidi: To reply to someone specifically use {{reply|username}}. For me that would be {{reply|Coastside}}. You place that tag before the message on a talk page. In this case, you edit my talk page (or yours) and add that tag to notify me. I did this for you by adding {{Re|Bmojaddidi}} before my message. To get help how to edit on Wikipedia, you can post questions at the Help desk or read some introduction info at Help. For disputes, you should read WP:Dispute resolution. For your particular dispute, I suggest you engage further with other editors on the talk page of the article. You can solicit opinions of other editors using WP:RFC but in general that is something to do only after significant effort has been made to negotiate a resolution on the article talk page. I hope that helps. Coastside ( talk) 04:11, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
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@ Meatsgains:
I added a footnote pointing to the linked articles for additional common names and removed the removed the tag you added.
As per WP:LISTVERIFY, inclusion in this list qualifies as "obviously appropriate material". The common name is verifiable in the linked article, and the name itself justifies inclusion in the list (by definition).
Please also note the category Set indices on plant common names includes many similar list articles, and they generally are unsourced except for the fact that the listed articles mention the common name. For example, List of plants known as nettle is similarly unsourced.
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I am well aware of
WP:TPO, which does not supersede
Wikipedia:Civility#Removal_of_uncivil_comments. Specifically, Exceptions include to remove obvious trolling
. That is as clear a trolling comment as could be possible: unprovoked, no contribution to the discussion, meant solely to annoy. I have removed it again. If you reinstate it, I will take the matter to an admin.
I have a certain amount of forbearance for Lord Such & Such's lack of discussion capacity, since they are a relatively new editor, but I can really do without misguided if well-meaning backseat condoning from others. It looks as if we are closing in on a usable consensus, so let's please stick to that without further active enabling of kindergarten behaviour. -- Elmidae ( talk · contribs) 02:53, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
@ Elmidae: I know you said you're aware, but WP:TPO says:
"Removing harmful posts, including personal attacks, trolling, and vandalism. This generally does not extend to messages that are merely uncivil"
To say his comment, which wasn't even explicitly directed at you, was "trolling" and went beyond mere incivility is not defensible. Most reasonable people, including me, probably see him as rather annoying, but to say his comment is "as clear a trolling comment as could be possible" is beyond hyperbole. Most readers wouldn't even have picked up on the fact that his comment was even directed at you. Incivility is not trolling, and you shouldn't have removed his edit. By admitting he got under your skin, you are actually encouraging him. Coastside ( talk) 04:15, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
Coastside- I am afraid to continue pressing my point with respect to the Russell Islands discussion at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard for fear that my participation in the discussion will be used as evidence of NOTHERE or CIR or that any of that will be brought up in an ANI (words I have learned from reading posts about how bad a user I am). Do you have any suggestions on how I can extricate myself from the discussion? Thanks for any advice. Geographyinitiative ( talk) 22:47, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
One last thing: be careful about linking to an admin's user page. Apparently, this is considered "pinging" them, even if you don't explicitly "ping" them using the {{ ping}} template. If you link to their talk page too many times, it's a serious crime.I mean it's true. There is no difference between {{ping|someUsername}} and [[User:someUsername]] in practice. They both ping (give a notification at the bell at the top of the page). Look at WP:PING.
You can "mention" a user called Example by making an edit with a link to their user page (writing [[User:Example]], {{u|Example}}, {{User|Example}}, {{user link|Example}}, {{ping|Example}}, {{Yo|Example}}, or {{reply to|Example}}) and signing the edit using four tildes (~~~~). The user "Example" will then get a notification saying where they were mentioned. This is sometimes called "pinging". See Help:Talk pages#Notifications for more information. If you want to link to a user page without pinging, you use Template:No ping, or {{np|someUsername}} for short. Here I'll prove it and take on this risk myself: Drmies :) Leijurv ( talk) 05:32, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
Note: the title of this section was updated from the original by an admin User:Johnuniq (see reason below). I subsequently edited it again to reflect the intent of my post. 02:33, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
@ Ivanvector: I appreciate your response about my complaint about Dmries's abusive behavior on his talk page. Specifically: "Coastside, I for one appreciate and applaud your sentiment of going to bat for an editor being bullied, and while I cannot speak for him, I think you would find on any other day that Drmies would say so as well. Wikipedia would be a better place if more editors did so, frankly."
You're the first editor to even acknowledge that I was fundamentally defending the victim of cyberbullying on Wikipedia by an admin. It was very disappointing to see how other admins handled the discussion. It was juvenile.
I'm copying your comment and responding here, because I'm now persona non-grata on Drmies's talk page. In all honesty, I believe he baited me to respond so he could take retribution against me if I commented further there. No, I'm not kidding. In my last comment on Drmies's talk page I was responding to a question by another editor, apparently someone who felt the need to pile on. I wasn't harassing Dmries on his talk page, and I wasn't dragging out the conversation. I was asked a question and I answered it, short and sweet, in good faith. The fact that Dmries responded with his "not welcome" comment is a reflection that he likes to have the last word (that's why he didn't just bow out of the original DRN as Diannaa has the perspicacity to do) - he's lacks the self-awareness to do that. You say on other days he might have demonstrated a more reasonable response. I doubt that. The "not welcome here" is exactly the culture I'm objecting to. He believes his talk page and Wikipedia generally are territory for elite editors and not for editors he deems unworthy. This is a dangerous culture that has already done damage to Wikipedia and it's a big reason why more people choose not to participate in the community. It's destructive, and for an admin, given their special status, abusive. Coastside ( talk) 21:50, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
However, you are on the wrong side of this one." which followed the polite assumption of good faith ( diff)?
From
MIT Technology Review: The Decline of Wikipedia:
...The main source of those problems is not mysterious. The loose collective running the site today, estimated to be 90 percent male, operates a crushing bureaucracy with an often abrasive atmosphere that deters newcomers who might increase participation in Wikipedia. ... some editors started a page called WikiProject Editor Retention with the idea of creating a place to brainstorm ideas about helping newcomers and fostering a friendlier atmosphere. Today the most vibrant parts of that project’s discussion page have gripes about “bullying done by administrators”, etc.
Coastside ( talk) 02:33, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
Tom Simonite of MIT Technology Review said that for several years running the number of Wikipedia editors had been falling and claimed the bureaucratic structure and rules are a factor in this. Simonite alleged that some Wikipedians use the labyrinthine rules and guidelines to dominate others and have a vested interest in keeping the status quo.
User:Drmies, as per WP:NOBAN, and since you aren't accepting comments from me on your talk page, even in response to your personal attacks against me, you're not welcome on my talk page either. So, "go away".
For record's sake, and to document continued disappointing behavior by an admin, and in case anyone other than Drmies is actually still following this...
On Drmies's talk page, I complained about his behavior toward another editor. He asked me not to comment there, and I didn't. He then responded on his talk page (in the very same thread) to the discussion between User:Johnuniq and I here on my talk page. I responded to his negative comments about me, and he subsequently deleted my response.
Here's a record of how he deleted my response to his personal attack: [ delete history]
And here's the text of his personal attack and my subsequently response (which he deleted without deleting his own derogatory remarks about me):
- User:Johnuniq, I appreciate what you were trying to do on their talk page, but like all the other bits of advice it fell on deaf ears, and I see that you also are now being patronized and held accountable for the decline in new editors--or whatever. I wouldn't have known about it if Coastside didn't feel the need to ping me, which is silly and childish, of course, but their only way to get at me after I told them to not come back to this talk page, and after the ANI thread was closed. There's no point in arguing with such editors; one wished they'd get a hobby, or write some articles. Thanks..., Drmies ( talk) 16:07, 14 November 2020 (UTC) [signature as in the original]
DrMies, it's inappropriate for you to tell me I'm "unwelcome" here, and then to respond in this thread to a conversation I was having with User:Johnuniq on on my own talk page. Being an admin, I respected you telling me I "wasn't welcome" and stopped commenting. I fear you will take retribution against me if I don't respect your administrative authority in telling me to "go away". You're welcome to discuss with Johnuniq anywhere else, but not on this thread if I'm not invited to respond. I suggest we close this thread if you don't want to discuss it further. Plus, a "bit of advice" for you, too: you don't want to create the impression that you are trying to defend your reputation here and sully mine with your comments, while at the same time not allowing me to respond. This thread isn't a paper trail for you to whitewash what happened - it was me raising concerns about your behavior toward another editor. The issue is closed, so please don't drag it out further.
Regarding your comment above: You accused me of being "patronizing", which means "apparently kind or helpful but betraying a feeling of superiority; condescending" (Oxford)
In the same paragraph you said:
- "like all the other bits of advice it fell on deaf ears"
- "or whatever" * "silly and childish"
- "their only way to get at me after I told them to not come back to this talk page"
- "no point in arguing with such editors"
- "one wished they'd get a hobby"
Readers can decide for themselves whose being patronizing and condescending. Coastside ( talk) 17:32, 14 November 2020 (UTC) [signature as in the original]
Again, for the record, now I've documented Drmies's propensity to personally attack editors without recourse via dispute resolution and without letting them respond. If his abusive behavior continues, I suppose I'll have to now take this up with the arbitration committee. I expect they take the matter more seriously than he apparently does.
I want to thank Drmies for illustrating so clearly how Simonite was right in his observations about the self-righteous, dominating mentality of admins on Wikipedia. Fortunately, they aren't all that way. But sadly many are.
Here's another article worth reading about the toxicity of the culture on Wikipedia: The Culture War Has Finally Come for Wikipedia Coastside ( talk) 20:23, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
Turns out it was actually Floquenbeam who reverted my response on Drmies's talk page after he made personal attacks about me. It's notable how Floquenbeam didn't feel it sufficient for Drmies to handle his own talk page by himself. He felt compelled to intervene on Drmies's behalf. This is similar to how Johnuniq felt compelled to actually change the heading I wrote for this topic in my personal talk page (seriously!). Three separate admins rallying to defend on of their own over accusations of bullying another editor, like Crabbe and Goyle rushing to defend Malfoy. One would think they wouldn't feel the need to pile on like that since the one they rushed to defend already demonstrated a willingness to wield threats of administrative sanction to assert his authority.
This is classic example of what's known as group bullying or Mobbing. In Beyond Bullying: Peacebuilding at Work, School and Home in Psychology Today, the author argues that mobbing is a form of group aggression innate to primates, and that those who engage in mobbing are ... responding in a predictable and patterned manner when someone in a position of leadership or influence communicates to the group that someone must go.
In short, this pattern of admin abuse is not just what Simonite referred to as a needing to "dominate others and have a vested interest in keeping the status quo". It's also a rudimentary manifestation of primitive aggressive tribalism. Either way, certainly toxic for those editors not in the "gang".
Oh, and Floquenbeam and Johnuniq, per WP:NOBAN, you're not welcome to make edits to my talk page. And, as you said, Floquenbeam, in reverting my edit on Drmies's talk page, "not welcome means not welcome". Coastside ( talk) 06:51, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
User:Drmies I'd like to ask you to please remove the derogatory comments you made about me on your talk page.
You told me I was not welcome on your talk page, and I respected that. Then you chose to make derogatory comments about me there. When I replied, objecting to what you said, another admin, Floquenbeam, took it upon himself to reverse my comment with the note "not how it works. 'not welcome' means not welcome.". I realize it wasn't you who reversed the comment, but I don't think it's acceptable to make derogatory comments about me on your talk page and not allow me to respond. I feel your personal attack would be inappropriate in any context, but especially in the context where I raised a formal complaint about your bevior as an admin. The fact that you made those remarks in a thread where I had admonished you feels to me like verbal retribution.
I realize the case I opened about your behavior is now closed, and I'm not reopening that discussion here. I'm simply asking you to remove your subsequent disparagement of me.
Specifically, I'd like you to delete your comment:
Johnuniq, I appreciate what you were trying to do on their talk page, but like all the other bits of advice it fell on deaf ears, and I see that you also are now being patronized and held accountable for the decline in new editors--or whatever. I wouldn't have known about it if Coastside didn't feel the need to ping me, which is silly and childish, of course, but their only way to get at me after I told them to not come back to this talk page, and after the ANI thread was closed. There's no point in arguing with such editors; one wished they'd get a hobby, or write some articles. Thanks..., Drmies (talk) 16:07, 14 November 2020 (UTC) [original signature]
The reasons I feel these comments are derogatory are:
I believe these comments constitute personal, ad hominem attacks, and per WP:TALKNO they don't belong on a talk page. I would remove your comments from your talk page myself, as I have an explicit right to do according to policy regardless of whether you want me commenting on your page, but since you are an admin, I am fearful you will sanction me for not having heeded your authority.
So please remove the derogatory comments yourself.
Thank you.
P.S. I really don't want to discuss this with you or any other admin. I don't need more "friendly" coaching. Just remove the comment and let's be done with it.
P.P.S I know you asked me not to ping you. I have a right to ask you to remove an ad hominen attack against me. Given you don't want me to comment on your talk page, I have to ping you to make this request. So please don't sanction me for that. Coastside ( talk) 09:19, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
@ Drmies: Pinging you again as you haven't removed the insulting remarks you made about me and you haven't replied. I'm serious in saying I object to being insulted and not being permitted to respond. Please delete your remarks. Coastside ( talk) 10:30, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
Now Coastside, this continued goading of yours is absurd, of course: you keep pinging me, complaining about how you're not allowed to be on my talk page, when you yourself have also banned me from your talk page: "User:Drmies, as per WP:NOBAN, and since you aren't accepting comments from me on your talk page, even in response to your personal attacks against me, you're not welcome on my talk page either. So, "go away"." So I suppose that this very post, which I am writing here at your request, is a violation? Maybe you'll add that to the long list of charges in my admin abuse case. Well, I trust other editors will see your complaints for what they're worth. And the next time you ping me, I will ask that you be warned and/or blocked for harassment. Similarly, since I may not talk about you on my talk page because you are not welcome there, you may not talk about me on your talk page--that is how that works. If you have anything to say to me, or about me, you can do that on AN, on ANI, or in an arbitration forum, and I don't even need you to notify me.
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talk) 15:46, 17 November 2020 (UTC) [deleted unwanted bullying and threatening] 01:45, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Superstitions in Muslim societies is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
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Why there was Removal of Places named after Khan from the wikipedia article? Please provide a valid reason. Saifullah.vguj ( talk) 11:27, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
But name of places are on Khan (surname) so they should be a part of the article. Saifullah.vguj ( talk) 15:39, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
For example Khan market a place is named after person Abdul jabbar Khan, whose surname was Khan. And there are many other examples also. Saifullah.vguj ( talk) 15:46, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Khan Market is the name of place. Saifullah.vguj ( talk) 15:47, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Yes of course We can do this, and Create a wiki page about List of Places named Khan, but I undid your revision so what can we do now? Saifullah.vguj ( talk) 03:20, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
I've been browsing RfD – not something I often do – and your insightful, logical and well-sourced comments stand out. You're a role model, and so I thank you. No need to reply. 85.67.32.244 ( talk) 09:30, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
Category:Go competitions in Germany has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:00, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
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