Archive 30: late 2008, beginning of January 2009.
Thanks for the kind words :) Gwen Gale ( talk) 08:31, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
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Antandrus, You told me that an unblock could be negotiated, providing that I would be willing to abide by the rules. The more that I read the ongoing edit war between Brews ohare and Fugal on centrifugal force, the more I realize that I never broke the rules to begin with and that there was a considerable amount of presumptuousness on the part of certain administrators that I was the one that was in the wrong. Anyway, you have got the power yourself to unblock my account. I am not subject to a community ban and I am not subject to any decision by the arbitration committee. I have already made it clear that in view of the particular sensitivities surrounding the centrifugal force article that I would not edit on that page until a consensus has been reached. I was not at all impressed by the kind of administrators that declined my perfectly reasonable unblock appeal and I don't intend to subject myself to that mechanism again. I am merely requesting that you unblock my account in order to demonstrate that there are actually some reasonable administrators in the system. You have my word for it that I will not let you down. If I do, then you can block me again and we will all know that it will be final. FDT 81.156.4.144 ( talk) 20:07, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Antandrus, Thanks once again for your reply. I do know the reason why I was blocked. I was arguing against a consensus on two pages. I had done alot of research into centrifugal force and I saw a way of tidying up the article. But there was a group who ganged up against me and made sure that I didn't get a single edit to remain. The rights and wrongs of the issue can only be decided when an impartial expert examines the details of the arguments. Unfortunately for me, some administrators automatically assumed that I was wrong solely on the grounds that I was fighting a lone battle. They assumed that Brews was right. But now that Fugal is arguing against Brews, those administrators have been very quiet. The original basis for blocking me has gone. And besides that, I have made it clear that I don't want another edit war. I want an opportunity to use some persuasion on the talk pages. I will not be putting in another unblock request through the normal channels because it is more than clear that there is no end of administrators who are unfamiliar with the case history, and who not only ignore the rules and regulations regarding the purpose of blocks, but who also take great delight in homing in on irrelevencies. They know that no damage will be done. The block has served its purpose and their insistence on declining the unblock request is merely showing themselves up for what they are. Even my arch opponent PeR spoke up for me when Sandstein declined the unblock request. And Jayron must have known fine well that any so-called sockpuppetry was only for the purpose of communicating with Fugal. They need to get a sense of proportion. Let's examine a situation where you and I came head to head on Mozart. I do believe that you put in 'more than 600'. That was exactly what I was going to do to end the argument, but you did it first. Originally I noticed that it said 600. I knew that Kochel went to 626, but I also knew that Kochel is not accurate and that there is also K.Anhang. Nevertheless, I switched the 600 to 626. Somebody immediately switched it back to 600 again without discussing the matter. I switched it back to 626 again and pointed out that K goes up to 626. When the edit war on that issue escalated, I was just about to put in something like 'in excess of 600', but you beat me to it. As for the nationality issue, didn't Blehfu suggest to me that I put a special section in about it? And didn't I do just that and get blocked for 3 months. And Acroterion claimed that it was the straw that broke the camel's back in relation to the centrifugal force argument. Do you think that was a reasonable action bearing in mind that I had been trying to get Acroterion to examine why Itub and FyzixFigher kept reverting my edits on centrifugal force? The point seemed to be that Acroterion considered consensus to outweigh all other considerations and he seemed to get bitter against me when I argued that he should be looking into the rights and wrongs of the issues. The rules make it clear that consensus is not always the overriding issue. But that aside, it should be sufficient that I have said that I will ignore the Mozart page and that I will not have another edit war on the main centrifugal force page. If you can't unblock my account, then nobody can. FDT 86.148.36.227 ( talk) 20:03, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Antandrus, thanks very much for making that decision. I don't think that you will regeret it. FDT ( talk) 11:58, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
I haven't been that active here lately, so I only just recently noticed you reverted some vandalism to my user page. Many thanks. Have a wonderful day! - Ageekgal ( talk) 12:49, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. Dloh cierekim 02:34, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi, while checking my watchlist, i came across three incidents of mass deletion from Muslim apostate related articles such as Ramzi Yousef, List of people who converted to Christianity and List of former Muslims. The vandalism was done by three separate accounts. A user named FarhadS1N deleted the entire "Conversion to Christianity" section in the Ramzi Yousef article, wven though it was sourced with credible and reliable newspapers such as NY times, CBS news, wtc. Another user JMDU removed Ramzi Yousef's picture and deleted his entry from the "List of people who converted to Christianity". Yet, another user Iman19 did the same in the "List of former Muslims" article. These striking similarities raised my suspiscion that they were operated by the same user.
Upon close checking of their contributions, i found that their edits were done within minutes of each other. For instance, FarhadS1N's was on 8:16, Iman19's was on 8:20 and JMDU's was on 8:22. Also, they have each made only one edit which was to the aforementioned articles.
Faced with these facts, i can say with the utmost certainty that they are in fact sockpuppets. As such, i request you to revert their edits, block these accounts indefinitely. I also suspect that these sockpuppets were created by a user who already has a normal account in wikipedia. Therefore, i also request to perform a usercheck and trace any other accounts that were created using this IP address. Joyson Noel ( talk) 09:24, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
May i know the reason as to why you havent even replied back. These accounts are obviously sockpuppets. However, you haven't blocked them or even reverted their vandalism edits, which i took the trouble to do. If your not interested, or somwhow disagree with me, then the least you could do is at least reply back. I'm looking forward to hearing from you. Joyson Noel ( talk) 11:14, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Hello. I've read a number of your essays, and after some contemplation, have decided that it was quite imperitive that I establish a rapport with you. I did a bit of peeking around your userspace and contributions, and I've established that while we have realatively little in common based on interests and expertise, we do share a remarkably similar mindset in the regard of behavior on Wikipedia, especially in dealing with drama. I specifically refer to your essay on behavior, and while I don't claim to have the same depth of understanding as you've accumulated in many years, I have found myself agreeing with the trends you have observed.
The main reason I chose to contact you is that I'm finding myself lately being drawn further into the non-encyclopedic workings of Wikipedia. I've long been an anti-vandalism fighter, but on a part-time basis: I revert on sight, but usually only see it on my watchlisted pages (I don't go looking for trouble). I'm slowly wading into the world of article assessment and review, which ought to be less political and dramatic. I've been asked to comment in a few discussions on the Admin's noticeboard, request for comment, and one ArbCom. I'm even penning an essay, which even as I do so, I can't help but dismiss as verbal self-indulgence. Ideally, I'd like you to decide if I need a slap with a wet trout or not, since I think that you would be a great judge. Am I getting in too deep? bahamut0013 ♠ ♣ 16:34, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
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Thanks for your assistance on the reference desk! Your answer was most enlightening. -- Beland ( talk) 02:06, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
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Antandrus, what are the rules on tidying up talk pages? Is there some kind of archiving system? I notice alot of editors clean out their talk pages regularly. FDT ( talk) 11:05, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Antandrus, Thanks for that information. FDT ( talk) 20:59, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
With this particular edit about placing tags on extremely short articles and as it states on the Template:Unreferenced page, "Consider not adding this template to extremely short articles." Unfortunately i dont think that editor will take much notice though :-) You have been here for a long time so know how it works more so than others. I think it is only appropriate to have the expand tag there for an article such as this and it seems fine to me. What do you think? Best 137.154.16.30 ( talk) 01:46, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Is User:Layre logged out. Clark89 ( talk) 03:24, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi. Softlavender is suggesting changes to the Composers banner. In particular she is objecting to the mention of 'songwriters'. I'm wondering if you might know the (historical?) reasons for the reference? The discussion is here. Thanks. -- Klein zach 08:56, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
After more than 4 hours, I have finally gone through all 18 articles and made sure they have a functioning infobox with either the US locator map or a photo of some sort. I am gathering information on the Angeles NF from my main ref book as I believe that article is in the poorest shape (also has the most evil tag). The reason WP is so addicting, is the work is never-ending! The "end of the tunnel" moves away as we try to approach it LOL. Cheers, Marcia Wright ( talk) 18:15, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the block of User:Whitey234 (love the summary by the way), was tempted to do it myself, but figured i should wait to see if he came back.-- Jac16888 ( talk) 02:56, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
I understand the keep result but I must ask in all seriousness — do we list every John Tesh or Jim Brickman piece? This is what I was trying to determine but I could not get a valid response.
Thank you. Timneu22 ( talk) 17:42, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm wondering if Violin should be semi-protected, given the rate of IP vandalism on it relative to substantive edits. Is this something an admin (i.e. you :) can just do, or does it have to go through a more formal process? Magic ♪piano 12:51, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
You were quick. Question: please give an opus or WoO number Answer: WoO13 Wallie ( talk) 20:41, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Yeah good call on that "upperclass wikipedian" eh? BRASIL! <<giant Brazil flag redacted>> User:Wiki_brah
Hope you don't mind, but I lifted quite a bit of your userpage design for my userpage. :) Master&Expert ( Talk) 06:18, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
A, may I ask you to go to WP:DE which I think (1) needs some rvisions and then (2) elevation to policy, as it will address many of our concerns? i left a commetn on the talk pae, maybe you can take the next step. Slrubenstein | Talk 20:06, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
DE is different from the disruption section of the blocking policy. It definitely shouldn't expand and explain what is already on the blocking policy. It is a new thing. Here is a chance to revise a set of guidelines so that they actually address a (1) real but (2) inadequately addressed problem, and then propose it for policy. if it is accepted for policy, only then' is the policy on blocking revised to make it consistent with the new policy.
Have you read my comment on the DE page? I assumed that you would respond to what I wrote, but what you write here doesn't really follow from what i wrote so I am finding it hard to see how you are or are not reacting to my suggestions.
It sounds like you are saying that we really just need to go by existing policies, and revise any new proposal so it says just what existing policy says. Well, I have a different approach to proposing new policies. Also, I thought you agreed that there is a problem at Wikipedia currently ill-served by policy, this seems to be the only way to address it, but if you are not interested, well, okay - sorry to have bothered you. Slrubenstein | Talk 22:21, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi there! I am dipping my toe gingerly back in the waters here, trying not to get sucked back in to the degree of abandoning my work and family as has happened in the past. I wonder if you would please be so kind as to take a gander at the software architect page, which I am fooling with, to see if my updates are improvements or merely pointless alterations.
Heard the Alsop/Baltimore Bernstein Mass last month, a work I had not known before. It was really something special, very very well done and deeply moving in its own way.
Hoping you are doing well! -- Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 14:10, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi Antandrus. I was wondering whether you had seen this gem of an article. Have recently come across it and am more than delighted (not least, I admit, because it's about one of my all-time favorite pieces), it almost restored my confidence in Wikipedia's creative potential. Had a little discussion with the main author at User talk:Gidip. There is also a review linked from the talk page. Your input would be invaluable. Warning: long read. Thanks and best wishes, Kosebamse ( talk) 21:08, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I and my fellow editors are facing a deadlock on a issue of removing/toning down a section as subsection under criticism section in Operation Blue Star article, concerns include WP:NPOV, the summary of dispute can be found at [1], please let us know your views/opinion so that 'alleged' bias may be looked into and a consensual solution may be found. Thanks LegalEagle ( talk) 06:38, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Hello! You had deleted this article. A similar article is under discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nathan Hale (character), which is currently in no consensus territory and I would like to see if anything from the previous article might be merged into the article under discussion. Could you please either temporarily restore the article and its talk page or just post whatever contents were on them onto my talk page to see if there were any additional references I might be able to use? I would greatly appreciate it! Thanks! Also, if the article under discussion does result in a no consensus or keep closer, would you be opposed to a redirect being created out of the one in this topic line? Thanks again! Sincerely, -- A Nobody My talk 16:10, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Of course, the funny part was how our "Ph.D" was editing from a junior liberal arts college! Gotta start somewhere, I guess. Anyway, I'm glad to have been of service. -- PMDrive1061 ( talk) 08:30, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
PS: Say hi to "Edmund Chicago" for me. :))
I know you're sensitive to this, I'd like to find a proper way to address your concern about limited source material. When I look at an article, I'm currently looking for:
If a reliable source has written about someone (i.e. done some original research), statements like "Little is known about X" should be cited (they're not in Adrien Basin).
I'm not sure what to use as a guide when the editor (i.e. you) is essentially asserting "these are all the sources that are currently known, and the article reflects them". Perhaps you can give some guidance. (I'm ignoring the fact that I think this skates right up against WP:NOR, a rule I don't entirely agree with (and I suspect you don't either).) Magic ♪piano 16:18, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Thank you
for reverting the personal attacks on my userpage (and talk)
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WP:CM articles. Your name pops up often - keep up the great work! :) —
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Antandrus, I told you that I believed that I could obtain a consensus on centrifugal force in three weeks. That hasn't turned out to be the case. On that issue, I believe that I have now said all I have to say on that topic over and over again. The only reason that I have continued on for as long as I have is because I genuinely believe that Brews ohare is keen to understand the topic, and that since he is such a prolific editor, it would be best for everybody if in fact he did fully understand the topic. The reason that I am writing to you is to ask advice on a policy issue. I would like to give my private e-mail address to Brews ohare in order to continue the discussion in private outside of the constraints of wikipedia policy. But I don't know if I am actually allowed to provide a private e-mail address on the talk pages under wikipedia's rules. The reason why I am concerned about breaking any rules is because Wolfkeeper has put in a request to the admin noticeboard to have me blocked. I am concerned that it is possible for such a request to have been entered without any grounds or without any rules having been broken. But the fact that his request resulted in me getting a warning from an administrator means that I don't wish to take any risks. Would it be legal for me to supply Brews ohare with my private e-mail address in order to carry this discussion on outside of wikipedia? I can see no further benefit in discussing the matter on wikipedia in an atmosphere such that I might get blocked at any moment on a whim. I look forward to hearing from you. FDT ( talk) 17:04, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Eyesrene, OK thanks for sorting that out. I'm not sure what the off-topic discussion was but anyway we will consider the matter closed. There was no hope of getting a consensus the way things were developing. Private e-mail may or may not sort the matter out. Brews is a prolific writer and I know he wants to learn. It will be good for wikipedia if he gets a clear and concise vision of the centrifugal force topic in its entirety. FDT ( talk) 19:56, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Antandrus, Thanks for your reply. The centrifugal force debate was going to end sooner or later because it was going round in circles, and some editors were not really trying to achieve any consensus. I had already acknowledged their sources on matters which I strongly disagree with, but I couldn't get them to reciprocate and openly acknowledge the significance of the radial planetary orbital equation which undermined those very matters. The equation was in a gold standard source, but as you can read for yourself, they were intent on firstly denying it, and later drowning it out with word play. Had they acknowledged it, then we would have been in a position to discuss how to write the article in a balanced fashion. There was no going off topic to the best of my knowledge. That was merely Wolfkeeper's allegation which was totally unsubstantiated. He was trying to get me blocked again just as I was realizing that the word play was going to go on forever. I do however disagree with EyeSerene's analysis of the situation that Wolfkeeper's complaint against me was legitimate. If a lengthy debate is indeed disruptive as EyeSerene suggests, then the blame can hardly be laid at the feet of one editor. EyeSerene seemed to think that I was assuming bad faith by questioning Wolfkeeper's allegation. It was as if he was quite happy for Wolfkeeper to assume bad faith against me, but not vica-versa. Anyway it's over now. I said in October that I would have one more try at reaching a consensus for a single unified balanced article. Unless I see some new editors on scene with a viewpoint more similar to my own, then there is no point in continuing in the meantime. FDT ( talk) 02:39, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Do you have any intention at all running for ARBCOM? You've been around for a long time and know the place inside and out. You are one of the respected editors on the wiki and serving as an arbitrator would do you justice. I can understand if you would rather stay away from that sort of stuff, it can drive a person up the wall but if theres one person that can do it i think its you. Its just that i think your talent is being wasted, editing in the background of the wiki so to speak. Its time to spread your wings. Best 211.30.109.24 ( talk) 07:18, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
If you have a moment, I wonder whether you would like to give some nominal ratings to this collection of Alexanders etc?
Thanks. -- Klein zach 01:35, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Hallo, My name is Rachel. you have a quite Impressive page. I wanted to know if their is a possibility that you can help me translated to spanish an entry on the composer Noam Sheriff. Thank you, Rachel
Hi Antandrus!
I would really appreciate your input in this short discussion on the Franz Liszt article, if you have a few minutes to spare. A fairly new user's edit claiming Franz Liszt is, in fact, Slovak seems to be very questionable. His source is not English and there is no way to verify it with no link. Nothing, I've found even remotely discusses such a notion. I believe that this could be a quick fix, if you would take a look at it. I'm no authority on music, but I am pretty sure that this edit is blatantly wrong. That's why I'm asking you. Thanks so much for you help! Warm Regards, aNubiSIII ( T / C) 03:21, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Well, a certain nationalist user still doesn't seem to get the point and continues to try to weasel his same edit and same source into this article. Oh, the things that make Wikipedia so interesting (cough). Best, aNubiSIII ( T / C) 20:02, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
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For just a bang up job Ottawa4ever ( talk) 01:25, 24 November 2008 (UTC) |
I could use some advice on Franz Schubert. I'm not entirely happy with the Style section of the article, and could use some feedback on how it might be improved. The basic structure of this section predates my involvement with the article, which may be part of my problem. The other part would be that I think I suck at writing about musical style. If you could take a look (no rush, I've got plenty on my plate) I'd appreciate it. (I actually think a whole sub-article could be written on the subject, but I'm not sure I'm up for that.) Thanks! Magic ♪piano 18:29, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
You have a lot of good advice. Rock on~! - 4twenty42o ( talk) 05:50, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
I just wanted to wish those Wikipedians who have been nice enough to give me a barnstar or smile at me, supportive enough to agree with me, etc., a Happy Thanksgiving! Sincerely, --Happy Thanksgiving! Sincerely, A Nobody My talk 02:39, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for explaining that. I wonder what the odds of that were. AzureFury ( talk | contribs) 05:01, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
I've often thought a duet of oboe and viola would sound absolutely lovely, but have never heard one. Do you know of any? Short Brigade Harvester Boris ( talk) 18:14, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry about the picture. The only reason I had changed it, it is because the resolution of the picture was very low. Bgag ( talk) 00:21, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the positive feedback. :-) You may want to contribute to the current discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#A discussion on the use/necessity (?) of Infoboxes. Nrswanson ( talk) 21:12, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
...I just installed a new Norton Internet Security, and it has a new autofill "feature" which by default adds your username to any field on the page requiring a username -- such as where the IP would go on the block IP page, damn them. If you're working fast to stop a troublemaker you may not notice. I wonder if this has happened to anyone else. Antandrus (talk) 03:30, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
You don't need a bit to do this kind of crap. Last night, I found that I had spent twenty minutes painstakingly making the vandalism in one article precisely match the vandalism in another article.— Kww( talk) 11:50, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps you should do less Vandalism Patrol in December :) Grutness... wha? 07:54, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi Antandrus, Opus and I both think the Haydn page should be semi-protected since it is attracting a steady flow of anon IP vandals these days (presumably first year students in musicology 101). I posted at the RPP page and was turned down. Frankly, we can probably take the decision internally amongst the composer group. So, if you are so inclined, Opus and I think that a 30-day semi protection is warranted. Feel free to ignore this. Eusebeus ( talk) 19:10, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi there, Thank you for blocking my wikistalker. Is there a list kept somewhere of user ids that are subject to close impersonation? If so, then I would appreciate being added to the list and you might consider adding other editors subject to hostile commentary fromt he JIDF. This is the first time I've been aware of the JIDF actions moving on to following another editor about Wikipedia and reversing their edits that have nothing to do with the JIDF or its interests.-- Peter cohen ( talk) 15:21, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Antandrus, thank you for your concern. In the interest of being honest with a complete and total stranger, please allow me to say that I both appreciate and am intimidated by your interest. I'm in the process of editing the motets article for a project that is due tomorrow. I've had trouble figuring out the editing process, therefore I'm sure I've made mistakes. Rest assured, I will do my best to correct them, as soon as I've figured out how(it took me ten minutes to figure out how to respond to you), and I will do my best to maintain and improve the integrity of the article. Hope this helps, and thanks again for your concern. TallGirl88 ( talk) 02:10, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Very good, yes I'm at Union University. It's a class project for Music History, we all had to pick a Wikipedia article to edit and research. Anyway, I'm sorry no one responded to you, they may have also had trouble figuring out how, or just been busy I don't know. Anyway, thanks for offering to help.
Great, thanks for helping me out. As soon as I figure out what you did, I'll continue editing....
Hello, Antandrus. You may be interested that we are putting the Messiaen article on the front page for the 10th (the day of his centenary). It's not mainstream stuff, so I'm not expecting such a flurry of vandalism as we get on some TFAs, but can you keep half an eye on it? I shall check it occasionally myself, when I can. Best wishes as always, RobertG ♬ talk 12:43, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
I just reviewed Nicolas Payen. Google turned up pointers to at least some references to his music, including a recording; I put them on the review page. Cheers! Magic ♪piano 14:11, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for protecting User talk:71.97.74.78. The IP continued to vandalize their own talk page. Vernon (Versus22) ( talk) 02:01, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Just saying hey. Haven't seen your name on my watchlist in a while - I've done very little in early music now that I'm no longer a student. Been trying not to edit so much lately, mostly just trying to fend off vandalism on, and deletion of, pages I created. Thanks for the help. Cheers. Chubbles ( talk) 03:30, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for all your work on wikipedia—enjoyed reading your userpage. kilbad ( talk) 03:29, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
This was a job well done.-- Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 05:35, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
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Hi there, fellow music encyclopedia topics member! I recently wrote a short new article on Elizabethan music publisher William Barley. If you're interested and have the time, feel free to comment at its peer review. Thanks, Budding Journalist 19:49, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
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Hi, I just stumbled across this essay and wanted to tell you how much I enjoyed it. It was some good food for thought. Lot 49a talk 03:13, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
Mendelssohn may have had Jewish antecedents, but he was born into, baptized and brought up in a Lutheran family. He later became a Roman Catholic. At no stage in his life was he Jewish, nor did he ever identify himself as Jewish. Please see the discussion pages and don't revert my edits. He was defined as Jewish by the Nazi Party, because they made the innovation of treating Jews as a race, not a religious community. Up until the early 20th century German Jews were regarded correctly as Germans. For Wikipaedia to succumb to a racial or genetic definition of Jewishness is highly contentious. Please read the discussion page very carefully, and make up your mind, but for the time being leave the categories out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matthaeus Tomlinson ( talk • contribs)
Have you evidence that any of Mendelssohns contemporaries regarded him as Jewish? The notion of Jewishness being 'genetically' defined is a 20th century one that should be left behind with the vile political movements that accompanied it. What evidence have you that mine is a minority view? A visit to an Israeli city is enough to show that Jewishness cannot possibly be racially defined except for political purposes - every racial group is present from Nordic to African, all Jewish! In Mendelssohn's time there were simply three religious communities in Germany and folks moved, like the Mendelssohns, from one to another. Don't perpetuate Nazism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matthaeus Tomlinson ( talk • contribs)
Don't throw your weight around, please. I am not a single issue campaigner. I happen to be interested in 19th century church music as it happens. Do you not think that it would be kind to respect Mendelssohn senior's wishe on this matter? He wished to abandon Judaism. Should he not be allowed to do so? Felix Mendelssohn was very ostensibly a Christian composer who wrote a great deal of church music, much of which is used liturgically today. If he was a convert, like Mahler, then it might be reasonable to categorise him as Jewish, in that he would have been Jewish for part of his life. However, he was not. He was baptised as a Christian having been born to Christian parents. If you would like to categorise him as a Jew, would you allow me to categorise Mr Obama as a Muslim in that he has a Muslim name and had Muslim grandparents? If the matter is controversial, it should not be there. You are also WRONG about Grove. Matthaeus Tomlinson ( talk) 15:32, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
I have not used an offensive manner towards you in arguing about this, so perhaps you might like to desist? Three points, however: 1. Mendelssohn is NOT universally regarded as a Jew, otherwise the question would not have arisen on the discussion page of his article. I must confess that I was very surprised to see the Jewish categories at the bottom of the page. 2. In not a few parts of our globe "Muslim" IS an ethnicity. One of those parts that may have come to your attention in the last couple of decades is the former Yugoslavia.
3. As a Christian (and incidentally someone whom the Nazis would probably have regarded as Jewish) I would certainly say that Christianity and Judaism are mutually exclusive. Now do stop getting so hysterical - he wasn't that brilliant a composer anyway. Fiddleback ( talk) 18:43, 1 January 2009 (UTC) Fiddleback ( talk) 18:43, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
When I read this in my Talk page after investing several hours trying to contribute:
Well, let's say I was discouraged. I wrote a brief response to Hexa (in ASCII), hoping yet again to offer feedback that might help guide the wikimeisters toward a kinder, gentler response to sincere contribution efforts like mine.
Then I read your kind note, and felt a niggle of hope again:
As to the policy, I was asked by a wiki pagemeister to remove the copyright on another of my photos so it could be included on a page. I'd rather invest my time in things other than trying to figure out the legalities of copyright/left/commons. Since my Flickr page is set up to allow anyone to view and download my photos, I prefer to retain copyright so that there's a faint hope that if Big Corp Inc makes money on one I can find a lawyer who enjoys practicing contingency copyright law. Frankly, the chances I'd ever know about such an infringement are remote. I don't want to make money on my photos, I just don't want others to.
I wonder if the main issue for both wiki and me is ease. Wiki wants to know they'll never need to defend Fair Use now that we're blessed with Big Corp's DMCA. I want to know I can freely share beauty where I find it, without unpacking massive legal documents. Maybe someday Big Corp & Big Bro will return to sensible Fair Use.
Meanwhile, I greatly appreciate your kind words and the time it took you to write them and perhaps read all this. :) Jw4nvc ( talk) 05:15, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Wow, more kind words and even some simple suggestions! Maybe as you said there is some hope for both wiki and me after all. As for vantage points, maybe I could buy you a coffee sometime and get a list of places you'd like aerial photos of or perhaps share a flight. I'm itching to get back out to the incredible rock formation at Soda Lake (past Cuyama) for my Flickr collection, and splitting the $90/hr. for the plane makes it easier. As you now know, I'm all about ease. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jw4nvc ( talk • contribs)
OK, I've uploaded my first WC photo and added it along with an EdHat reference to the bridge article. I'm curious to see if it's deleted or I get flamed. I welcome any comments or suggestions you're willing to offer. I've pondered all this a bit, and am wondering if a major issue has been my reluctance to learn and adopt stringent publishing standards. I value the reliability of wiki info, so it's easy to understand why the standards are complex. At the same time, contributing is an occasional urge so I'm reluctant to invest hours studying the standards. I like how easy it is to get started on wiki editing, and had incorrectly assumed the wiki style was someone more experienced would correct it if any value were added by it. Oops. Anyway, no worries if it's deleted because I had fun futzing with it. Hey, hope your year is all you'd like. Jw4nvc ( talk) 07:36, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
Hope 2009 is a great year for you!-- MONGO 15:41, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Hey, thanks, Antandrus. I was remiss in not wishing you HNY, so all the best to you and those you love. This year, mid-summer is not much different from mid-winter down here. Sydney was stinking hot (par for the course) last week, but Victoria hasn't quite realised it's supposed to be warmer weather by now. Our time will come. Cheers. -- JackofOz ( talk) 00:31, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
I actually have a beach home there (well, it's not quite on the beach, but I can see it from all of my windows) which I rent out now. It's my favorite city in the world, except that I can't get decent pizza there. That makes me sad. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 18:19, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
Well, I just sent a Flickrmail to another SB wikite requesting dialog in email for my ease (recent focus of my learning). That and reading this slander about SB pizza (yes Virginia, there IS such a thing), got me wondering if there's a rule against wikites arranging to meet. Is there anyone else here who'd like to attempt a gathering?
You can reply here, email using the link in the left column here, or go to my Flickr page and send from there if you're a member. Otherwise, let me know how we can get connected via email. I guess worst case we could just set a date/place here in A.'s talk.
So what say you? Interested in venturing briefly out of cyberia? Jw4nvc ( talk) 23:02, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for reverting vandalism to my user and talk pages, and blocking the party responsible. Happy new year! Liberal Classic ( talk) 21:11, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
It's the middle of the night now everywhere in the world except the Middle East (South Africa?). How come you are posting at this odd hour?
Just curious. -- Ravpapa ( talk) 06:00, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
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It's nice to be back, believe me. All that recent Grawp nonsense was the impetus. I mean, "Antandrus has an ant's brain?" Puh-leez. :) Raul654 has been the biggest help imaginable since I started on this project and he came through in the clutch once more. Next time I'm in Santa Barbara, we'll hit some hip little joint on State Street. Drinks on me. -- PMDrive1061 ( talk) 05:59, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Hmm, alright, fair enough; though I still wouldn't think the average vandal capable of such an act. Do you think that a report to SSP is unwarranted? Glass Cobra 15:55, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
First off, I apologize for the spam. You are receiving this message because you have indicated that you are in Southern California or interested in Southern California topics (either via category or WikiProject).
I would like to invite you to the Los Angeles edition of Wikipedia:Wikipedia Loves Art, a photography scavenger hunt to be held at the Los Angeles County Museum of Art (LACMA) on Saturday, February 28, 2009, from 1:00 to 7:00 PM. All photos are intended for use in Wikipedia articles or on Wikimedia Commons. There will be a prize available for the person who gets the most photos on the list.
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I used to be the "North Carolina Vandal". I want to be welcomed back to the project as a good user. Egebwc ( talk) 07:31, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
LOL. Thank you for showing me that. I liked your recent entry for "redlink" in WikiSpeak, too. -- RobertG ♬ talk 16:09, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
I enjoyed the comment you left on Talk:California#VANDALISM. It actually made me laugh out loud. Killiondude ( talk) 19:57, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
You might look at my review of Hildegard of Bingen; I found a fair amount to complain about. Magic ♪piano 01:02, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Archive 30: late 2008, beginning of January 2009.
Thanks for the kind words :) Gwen Gale ( talk) 08:31, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
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Antandrus, You told me that an unblock could be negotiated, providing that I would be willing to abide by the rules. The more that I read the ongoing edit war between Brews ohare and Fugal on centrifugal force, the more I realize that I never broke the rules to begin with and that there was a considerable amount of presumptuousness on the part of certain administrators that I was the one that was in the wrong. Anyway, you have got the power yourself to unblock my account. I am not subject to a community ban and I am not subject to any decision by the arbitration committee. I have already made it clear that in view of the particular sensitivities surrounding the centrifugal force article that I would not edit on that page until a consensus has been reached. I was not at all impressed by the kind of administrators that declined my perfectly reasonable unblock appeal and I don't intend to subject myself to that mechanism again. I am merely requesting that you unblock my account in order to demonstrate that there are actually some reasonable administrators in the system. You have my word for it that I will not let you down. If I do, then you can block me again and we will all know that it will be final. FDT 81.156.4.144 ( talk) 20:07, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Antandrus, Thanks once again for your reply. I do know the reason why I was blocked. I was arguing against a consensus on two pages. I had done alot of research into centrifugal force and I saw a way of tidying up the article. But there was a group who ganged up against me and made sure that I didn't get a single edit to remain. The rights and wrongs of the issue can only be decided when an impartial expert examines the details of the arguments. Unfortunately for me, some administrators automatically assumed that I was wrong solely on the grounds that I was fighting a lone battle. They assumed that Brews was right. But now that Fugal is arguing against Brews, those administrators have been very quiet. The original basis for blocking me has gone. And besides that, I have made it clear that I don't want another edit war. I want an opportunity to use some persuasion on the talk pages. I will not be putting in another unblock request through the normal channels because it is more than clear that there is no end of administrators who are unfamiliar with the case history, and who not only ignore the rules and regulations regarding the purpose of blocks, but who also take great delight in homing in on irrelevencies. They know that no damage will be done. The block has served its purpose and their insistence on declining the unblock request is merely showing themselves up for what they are. Even my arch opponent PeR spoke up for me when Sandstein declined the unblock request. And Jayron must have known fine well that any so-called sockpuppetry was only for the purpose of communicating with Fugal. They need to get a sense of proportion. Let's examine a situation where you and I came head to head on Mozart. I do believe that you put in 'more than 600'. That was exactly what I was going to do to end the argument, but you did it first. Originally I noticed that it said 600. I knew that Kochel went to 626, but I also knew that Kochel is not accurate and that there is also K.Anhang. Nevertheless, I switched the 600 to 626. Somebody immediately switched it back to 600 again without discussing the matter. I switched it back to 626 again and pointed out that K goes up to 626. When the edit war on that issue escalated, I was just about to put in something like 'in excess of 600', but you beat me to it. As for the nationality issue, didn't Blehfu suggest to me that I put a special section in about it? And didn't I do just that and get blocked for 3 months. And Acroterion claimed that it was the straw that broke the camel's back in relation to the centrifugal force argument. Do you think that was a reasonable action bearing in mind that I had been trying to get Acroterion to examine why Itub and FyzixFigher kept reverting my edits on centrifugal force? The point seemed to be that Acroterion considered consensus to outweigh all other considerations and he seemed to get bitter against me when I argued that he should be looking into the rights and wrongs of the issues. The rules make it clear that consensus is not always the overriding issue. But that aside, it should be sufficient that I have said that I will ignore the Mozart page and that I will not have another edit war on the main centrifugal force page. If you can't unblock my account, then nobody can. FDT 86.148.36.227 ( talk) 20:03, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Antandrus, thanks very much for making that decision. I don't think that you will regeret it. FDT ( talk) 11:58, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
I haven't been that active here lately, so I only just recently noticed you reverted some vandalism to my user page. Many thanks. Have a wonderful day! - Ageekgal ( talk) 12:49, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. Dloh cierekim 02:34, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi, while checking my watchlist, i came across three incidents of mass deletion from Muslim apostate related articles such as Ramzi Yousef, List of people who converted to Christianity and List of former Muslims. The vandalism was done by three separate accounts. A user named FarhadS1N deleted the entire "Conversion to Christianity" section in the Ramzi Yousef article, wven though it was sourced with credible and reliable newspapers such as NY times, CBS news, wtc. Another user JMDU removed Ramzi Yousef's picture and deleted his entry from the "List of people who converted to Christianity". Yet, another user Iman19 did the same in the "List of former Muslims" article. These striking similarities raised my suspiscion that they were operated by the same user.
Upon close checking of their contributions, i found that their edits were done within minutes of each other. For instance, FarhadS1N's was on 8:16, Iman19's was on 8:20 and JMDU's was on 8:22. Also, they have each made only one edit which was to the aforementioned articles.
Faced with these facts, i can say with the utmost certainty that they are in fact sockpuppets. As such, i request you to revert their edits, block these accounts indefinitely. I also suspect that these sockpuppets were created by a user who already has a normal account in wikipedia. Therefore, i also request to perform a usercheck and trace any other accounts that were created using this IP address. Joyson Noel ( talk) 09:24, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
May i know the reason as to why you havent even replied back. These accounts are obviously sockpuppets. However, you haven't blocked them or even reverted their vandalism edits, which i took the trouble to do. If your not interested, or somwhow disagree with me, then the least you could do is at least reply back. I'm looking forward to hearing from you. Joyson Noel ( talk) 11:14, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Hello. I've read a number of your essays, and after some contemplation, have decided that it was quite imperitive that I establish a rapport with you. I did a bit of peeking around your userspace and contributions, and I've established that while we have realatively little in common based on interests and expertise, we do share a remarkably similar mindset in the regard of behavior on Wikipedia, especially in dealing with drama. I specifically refer to your essay on behavior, and while I don't claim to have the same depth of understanding as you've accumulated in many years, I have found myself agreeing with the trends you have observed.
The main reason I chose to contact you is that I'm finding myself lately being drawn further into the non-encyclopedic workings of Wikipedia. I've long been an anti-vandalism fighter, but on a part-time basis: I revert on sight, but usually only see it on my watchlisted pages (I don't go looking for trouble). I'm slowly wading into the world of article assessment and review, which ought to be less political and dramatic. I've been asked to comment in a few discussions on the Admin's noticeboard, request for comment, and one ArbCom. I'm even penning an essay, which even as I do so, I can't help but dismiss as verbal self-indulgence. Ideally, I'd like you to decide if I need a slap with a wet trout or not, since I think that you would be a great judge. Am I getting in too deep? bahamut0013 ♠ ♣ 16:34, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
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Thanks for your assistance on the reference desk! Your answer was most enlightening. -- Beland ( talk) 02:06, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
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Antandrus, what are the rules on tidying up talk pages? Is there some kind of archiving system? I notice alot of editors clean out their talk pages regularly. FDT ( talk) 11:05, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Antandrus, Thanks for that information. FDT ( talk) 20:59, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
With this particular edit about placing tags on extremely short articles and as it states on the Template:Unreferenced page, "Consider not adding this template to extremely short articles." Unfortunately i dont think that editor will take much notice though :-) You have been here for a long time so know how it works more so than others. I think it is only appropriate to have the expand tag there for an article such as this and it seems fine to me. What do you think? Best 137.154.16.30 ( talk) 01:46, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Is User:Layre logged out. Clark89 ( talk) 03:24, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi. Softlavender is suggesting changes to the Composers banner. In particular she is objecting to the mention of 'songwriters'. I'm wondering if you might know the (historical?) reasons for the reference? The discussion is here. Thanks. -- Klein zach 08:56, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
After more than 4 hours, I have finally gone through all 18 articles and made sure they have a functioning infobox with either the US locator map or a photo of some sort. I am gathering information on the Angeles NF from my main ref book as I believe that article is in the poorest shape (also has the most evil tag). The reason WP is so addicting, is the work is never-ending! The "end of the tunnel" moves away as we try to approach it LOL. Cheers, Marcia Wright ( talk) 18:15, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the block of User:Whitey234 (love the summary by the way), was tempted to do it myself, but figured i should wait to see if he came back.-- Jac16888 ( talk) 02:56, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
I understand the keep result but I must ask in all seriousness — do we list every John Tesh or Jim Brickman piece? This is what I was trying to determine but I could not get a valid response.
Thank you. Timneu22 ( talk) 17:42, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm wondering if Violin should be semi-protected, given the rate of IP vandalism on it relative to substantive edits. Is this something an admin (i.e. you :) can just do, or does it have to go through a more formal process? Magic ♪piano 12:51, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
You were quick. Question: please give an opus or WoO number Answer: WoO13 Wallie ( talk) 20:41, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Yeah good call on that "upperclass wikipedian" eh? BRASIL! <<giant Brazil flag redacted>> User:Wiki_brah
Hope you don't mind, but I lifted quite a bit of your userpage design for my userpage. :) Master&Expert ( Talk) 06:18, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
A, may I ask you to go to WP:DE which I think (1) needs some rvisions and then (2) elevation to policy, as it will address many of our concerns? i left a commetn on the talk pae, maybe you can take the next step. Slrubenstein | Talk 20:06, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
DE is different from the disruption section of the blocking policy. It definitely shouldn't expand and explain what is already on the blocking policy. It is a new thing. Here is a chance to revise a set of guidelines so that they actually address a (1) real but (2) inadequately addressed problem, and then propose it for policy. if it is accepted for policy, only then' is the policy on blocking revised to make it consistent with the new policy.
Have you read my comment on the DE page? I assumed that you would respond to what I wrote, but what you write here doesn't really follow from what i wrote so I am finding it hard to see how you are or are not reacting to my suggestions.
It sounds like you are saying that we really just need to go by existing policies, and revise any new proposal so it says just what existing policy says. Well, I have a different approach to proposing new policies. Also, I thought you agreed that there is a problem at Wikipedia currently ill-served by policy, this seems to be the only way to address it, but if you are not interested, well, okay - sorry to have bothered you. Slrubenstein | Talk 22:21, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi there! I am dipping my toe gingerly back in the waters here, trying not to get sucked back in to the degree of abandoning my work and family as has happened in the past. I wonder if you would please be so kind as to take a gander at the software architect page, which I am fooling with, to see if my updates are improvements or merely pointless alterations.
Heard the Alsop/Baltimore Bernstein Mass last month, a work I had not known before. It was really something special, very very well done and deeply moving in its own way.
Hoping you are doing well! -- Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 14:10, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi Antandrus. I was wondering whether you had seen this gem of an article. Have recently come across it and am more than delighted (not least, I admit, because it's about one of my all-time favorite pieces), it almost restored my confidence in Wikipedia's creative potential. Had a little discussion with the main author at User talk:Gidip. There is also a review linked from the talk page. Your input would be invaluable. Warning: long read. Thanks and best wishes, Kosebamse ( talk) 21:08, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I and my fellow editors are facing a deadlock on a issue of removing/toning down a section as subsection under criticism section in Operation Blue Star article, concerns include WP:NPOV, the summary of dispute can be found at [1], please let us know your views/opinion so that 'alleged' bias may be looked into and a consensual solution may be found. Thanks LegalEagle ( talk) 06:38, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Hello! You had deleted this article. A similar article is under discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nathan Hale (character), which is currently in no consensus territory and I would like to see if anything from the previous article might be merged into the article under discussion. Could you please either temporarily restore the article and its talk page or just post whatever contents were on them onto my talk page to see if there were any additional references I might be able to use? I would greatly appreciate it! Thanks! Also, if the article under discussion does result in a no consensus or keep closer, would you be opposed to a redirect being created out of the one in this topic line? Thanks again! Sincerely, -- A Nobody My talk 16:10, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Of course, the funny part was how our "Ph.D" was editing from a junior liberal arts college! Gotta start somewhere, I guess. Anyway, I'm glad to have been of service. -- PMDrive1061 ( talk) 08:30, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
PS: Say hi to "Edmund Chicago" for me. :))
I know you're sensitive to this, I'd like to find a proper way to address your concern about limited source material. When I look at an article, I'm currently looking for:
If a reliable source has written about someone (i.e. done some original research), statements like "Little is known about X" should be cited (they're not in Adrien Basin).
I'm not sure what to use as a guide when the editor (i.e. you) is essentially asserting "these are all the sources that are currently known, and the article reflects them". Perhaps you can give some guidance. (I'm ignoring the fact that I think this skates right up against WP:NOR, a rule I don't entirely agree with (and I suspect you don't either).) Magic ♪piano 16:18, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
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for reverting the personal attacks on my userpage (and talk)
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Antandrus, I told you that I believed that I could obtain a consensus on centrifugal force in three weeks. That hasn't turned out to be the case. On that issue, I believe that I have now said all I have to say on that topic over and over again. The only reason that I have continued on for as long as I have is because I genuinely believe that Brews ohare is keen to understand the topic, and that since he is such a prolific editor, it would be best for everybody if in fact he did fully understand the topic. The reason that I am writing to you is to ask advice on a policy issue. I would like to give my private e-mail address to Brews ohare in order to continue the discussion in private outside of the constraints of wikipedia policy. But I don't know if I am actually allowed to provide a private e-mail address on the talk pages under wikipedia's rules. The reason why I am concerned about breaking any rules is because Wolfkeeper has put in a request to the admin noticeboard to have me blocked. I am concerned that it is possible for such a request to have been entered without any grounds or without any rules having been broken. But the fact that his request resulted in me getting a warning from an administrator means that I don't wish to take any risks. Would it be legal for me to supply Brews ohare with my private e-mail address in order to carry this discussion on outside of wikipedia? I can see no further benefit in discussing the matter on wikipedia in an atmosphere such that I might get blocked at any moment on a whim. I look forward to hearing from you. FDT ( talk) 17:04, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Eyesrene, OK thanks for sorting that out. I'm not sure what the off-topic discussion was but anyway we will consider the matter closed. There was no hope of getting a consensus the way things were developing. Private e-mail may or may not sort the matter out. Brews is a prolific writer and I know he wants to learn. It will be good for wikipedia if he gets a clear and concise vision of the centrifugal force topic in its entirety. FDT ( talk) 19:56, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Antandrus, Thanks for your reply. The centrifugal force debate was going to end sooner or later because it was going round in circles, and some editors were not really trying to achieve any consensus. I had already acknowledged their sources on matters which I strongly disagree with, but I couldn't get them to reciprocate and openly acknowledge the significance of the radial planetary orbital equation which undermined those very matters. The equation was in a gold standard source, but as you can read for yourself, they were intent on firstly denying it, and later drowning it out with word play. Had they acknowledged it, then we would have been in a position to discuss how to write the article in a balanced fashion. There was no going off topic to the best of my knowledge. That was merely Wolfkeeper's allegation which was totally unsubstantiated. He was trying to get me blocked again just as I was realizing that the word play was going to go on forever. I do however disagree with EyeSerene's analysis of the situation that Wolfkeeper's complaint against me was legitimate. If a lengthy debate is indeed disruptive as EyeSerene suggests, then the blame can hardly be laid at the feet of one editor. EyeSerene seemed to think that I was assuming bad faith by questioning Wolfkeeper's allegation. It was as if he was quite happy for Wolfkeeper to assume bad faith against me, but not vica-versa. Anyway it's over now. I said in October that I would have one more try at reaching a consensus for a single unified balanced article. Unless I see some new editors on scene with a viewpoint more similar to my own, then there is no point in continuing in the meantime. FDT ( talk) 02:39, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Do you have any intention at all running for ARBCOM? You've been around for a long time and know the place inside and out. You are one of the respected editors on the wiki and serving as an arbitrator would do you justice. I can understand if you would rather stay away from that sort of stuff, it can drive a person up the wall but if theres one person that can do it i think its you. Its just that i think your talent is being wasted, editing in the background of the wiki so to speak. Its time to spread your wings. Best 211.30.109.24 ( talk) 07:18, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
If you have a moment, I wonder whether you would like to give some nominal ratings to this collection of Alexanders etc?
Thanks. -- Klein zach 01:35, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Hallo, My name is Rachel. you have a quite Impressive page. I wanted to know if their is a possibility that you can help me translated to spanish an entry on the composer Noam Sheriff. Thank you, Rachel
Hi Antandrus!
I would really appreciate your input in this short discussion on the Franz Liszt article, if you have a few minutes to spare. A fairly new user's edit claiming Franz Liszt is, in fact, Slovak seems to be very questionable. His source is not English and there is no way to verify it with no link. Nothing, I've found even remotely discusses such a notion. I believe that this could be a quick fix, if you would take a look at it. I'm no authority on music, but I am pretty sure that this edit is blatantly wrong. That's why I'm asking you. Thanks so much for you help! Warm Regards, aNubiSIII ( T / C) 03:21, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Well, a certain nationalist user still doesn't seem to get the point and continues to try to weasel his same edit and same source into this article. Oh, the things that make Wikipedia so interesting (cough). Best, aNubiSIII ( T / C) 20:02, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
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For just a bang up job Ottawa4ever ( talk) 01:25, 24 November 2008 (UTC) |
I could use some advice on Franz Schubert. I'm not entirely happy with the Style section of the article, and could use some feedback on how it might be improved. The basic structure of this section predates my involvement with the article, which may be part of my problem. The other part would be that I think I suck at writing about musical style. If you could take a look (no rush, I've got plenty on my plate) I'd appreciate it. (I actually think a whole sub-article could be written on the subject, but I'm not sure I'm up for that.) Thanks! Magic ♪piano 18:29, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
You have a lot of good advice. Rock on~! - 4twenty42o ( talk) 05:50, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
I just wanted to wish those Wikipedians who have been nice enough to give me a barnstar or smile at me, supportive enough to agree with me, etc., a Happy Thanksgiving! Sincerely, --Happy Thanksgiving! Sincerely, A Nobody My talk 02:39, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for explaining that. I wonder what the odds of that were. AzureFury ( talk | contribs) 05:01, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
I've often thought a duet of oboe and viola would sound absolutely lovely, but have never heard one. Do you know of any? Short Brigade Harvester Boris ( talk) 18:14, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry about the picture. The only reason I had changed it, it is because the resolution of the picture was very low. Bgag ( talk) 00:21, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the positive feedback. :-) You may want to contribute to the current discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#A discussion on the use/necessity (?) of Infoboxes. Nrswanson ( talk) 21:12, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
...I just installed a new Norton Internet Security, and it has a new autofill "feature" which by default adds your username to any field on the page requiring a username -- such as where the IP would go on the block IP page, damn them. If you're working fast to stop a troublemaker you may not notice. I wonder if this has happened to anyone else. Antandrus (talk) 03:30, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
You don't need a bit to do this kind of crap. Last night, I found that I had spent twenty minutes painstakingly making the vandalism in one article precisely match the vandalism in another article.— Kww( talk) 11:50, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps you should do less Vandalism Patrol in December :) Grutness... wha? 07:54, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi Antandrus, Opus and I both think the Haydn page should be semi-protected since it is attracting a steady flow of anon IP vandals these days (presumably first year students in musicology 101). I posted at the RPP page and was turned down. Frankly, we can probably take the decision internally amongst the composer group. So, if you are so inclined, Opus and I think that a 30-day semi protection is warranted. Feel free to ignore this. Eusebeus ( talk) 19:10, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi there, Thank you for blocking my wikistalker. Is there a list kept somewhere of user ids that are subject to close impersonation? If so, then I would appreciate being added to the list and you might consider adding other editors subject to hostile commentary fromt he JIDF. This is the first time I've been aware of the JIDF actions moving on to following another editor about Wikipedia and reversing their edits that have nothing to do with the JIDF or its interests.-- Peter cohen ( talk) 15:21, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Antandrus, thank you for your concern. In the interest of being honest with a complete and total stranger, please allow me to say that I both appreciate and am intimidated by your interest. I'm in the process of editing the motets article for a project that is due tomorrow. I've had trouble figuring out the editing process, therefore I'm sure I've made mistakes. Rest assured, I will do my best to correct them, as soon as I've figured out how(it took me ten minutes to figure out how to respond to you), and I will do my best to maintain and improve the integrity of the article. Hope this helps, and thanks again for your concern. TallGirl88 ( talk) 02:10, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Very good, yes I'm at Union University. It's a class project for Music History, we all had to pick a Wikipedia article to edit and research. Anyway, I'm sorry no one responded to you, they may have also had trouble figuring out how, or just been busy I don't know. Anyway, thanks for offering to help.
Great, thanks for helping me out. As soon as I figure out what you did, I'll continue editing....
Hello, Antandrus. You may be interested that we are putting the Messiaen article on the front page for the 10th (the day of his centenary). It's not mainstream stuff, so I'm not expecting such a flurry of vandalism as we get on some TFAs, but can you keep half an eye on it? I shall check it occasionally myself, when I can. Best wishes as always, RobertG ♬ talk 12:43, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
I just reviewed Nicolas Payen. Google turned up pointers to at least some references to his music, including a recording; I put them on the review page. Cheers! Magic ♪piano 14:11, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for protecting User talk:71.97.74.78. The IP continued to vandalize their own talk page. Vernon (Versus22) ( talk) 02:01, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Just saying hey. Haven't seen your name on my watchlist in a while - I've done very little in early music now that I'm no longer a student. Been trying not to edit so much lately, mostly just trying to fend off vandalism on, and deletion of, pages I created. Thanks for the help. Cheers. Chubbles ( talk) 03:30, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for all your work on wikipedia—enjoyed reading your userpage. kilbad ( talk) 03:29, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
This was a job well done.-- Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 05:35, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
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Hi there, fellow music encyclopedia topics member! I recently wrote a short new article on Elizabethan music publisher William Barley. If you're interested and have the time, feel free to comment at its peer review. Thanks, Budding Journalist 19:49, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
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Hi, I just stumbled across this essay and wanted to tell you how much I enjoyed it. It was some good food for thought. Lot 49a talk 03:13, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
Mendelssohn may have had Jewish antecedents, but he was born into, baptized and brought up in a Lutheran family. He later became a Roman Catholic. At no stage in his life was he Jewish, nor did he ever identify himself as Jewish. Please see the discussion pages and don't revert my edits. He was defined as Jewish by the Nazi Party, because they made the innovation of treating Jews as a race, not a religious community. Up until the early 20th century German Jews were regarded correctly as Germans. For Wikipaedia to succumb to a racial or genetic definition of Jewishness is highly contentious. Please read the discussion page very carefully, and make up your mind, but for the time being leave the categories out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matthaeus Tomlinson ( talk • contribs)
Have you evidence that any of Mendelssohns contemporaries regarded him as Jewish? The notion of Jewishness being 'genetically' defined is a 20th century one that should be left behind with the vile political movements that accompanied it. What evidence have you that mine is a minority view? A visit to an Israeli city is enough to show that Jewishness cannot possibly be racially defined except for political purposes - every racial group is present from Nordic to African, all Jewish! In Mendelssohn's time there were simply three religious communities in Germany and folks moved, like the Mendelssohns, from one to another. Don't perpetuate Nazism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matthaeus Tomlinson ( talk • contribs)
Don't throw your weight around, please. I am not a single issue campaigner. I happen to be interested in 19th century church music as it happens. Do you not think that it would be kind to respect Mendelssohn senior's wishe on this matter? He wished to abandon Judaism. Should he not be allowed to do so? Felix Mendelssohn was very ostensibly a Christian composer who wrote a great deal of church music, much of which is used liturgically today. If he was a convert, like Mahler, then it might be reasonable to categorise him as Jewish, in that he would have been Jewish for part of his life. However, he was not. He was baptised as a Christian having been born to Christian parents. If you would like to categorise him as a Jew, would you allow me to categorise Mr Obama as a Muslim in that he has a Muslim name and had Muslim grandparents? If the matter is controversial, it should not be there. You are also WRONG about Grove. Matthaeus Tomlinson ( talk) 15:32, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
I have not used an offensive manner towards you in arguing about this, so perhaps you might like to desist? Three points, however: 1. Mendelssohn is NOT universally regarded as a Jew, otherwise the question would not have arisen on the discussion page of his article. I must confess that I was very surprised to see the Jewish categories at the bottom of the page. 2. In not a few parts of our globe "Muslim" IS an ethnicity. One of those parts that may have come to your attention in the last couple of decades is the former Yugoslavia.
3. As a Christian (and incidentally someone whom the Nazis would probably have regarded as Jewish) I would certainly say that Christianity and Judaism are mutually exclusive. Now do stop getting so hysterical - he wasn't that brilliant a composer anyway. Fiddleback ( talk) 18:43, 1 January 2009 (UTC) Fiddleback ( talk) 18:43, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
When I read this in my Talk page after investing several hours trying to contribute:
Well, let's say I was discouraged. I wrote a brief response to Hexa (in ASCII), hoping yet again to offer feedback that might help guide the wikimeisters toward a kinder, gentler response to sincere contribution efforts like mine.
Then I read your kind note, and felt a niggle of hope again:
As to the policy, I was asked by a wiki pagemeister to remove the copyright on another of my photos so it could be included on a page. I'd rather invest my time in things other than trying to figure out the legalities of copyright/left/commons. Since my Flickr page is set up to allow anyone to view and download my photos, I prefer to retain copyright so that there's a faint hope that if Big Corp Inc makes money on one I can find a lawyer who enjoys practicing contingency copyright law. Frankly, the chances I'd ever know about such an infringement are remote. I don't want to make money on my photos, I just don't want others to.
I wonder if the main issue for both wiki and me is ease. Wiki wants to know they'll never need to defend Fair Use now that we're blessed with Big Corp's DMCA. I want to know I can freely share beauty where I find it, without unpacking massive legal documents. Maybe someday Big Corp & Big Bro will return to sensible Fair Use.
Meanwhile, I greatly appreciate your kind words and the time it took you to write them and perhaps read all this. :) Jw4nvc ( talk) 05:15, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Wow, more kind words and even some simple suggestions! Maybe as you said there is some hope for both wiki and me after all. As for vantage points, maybe I could buy you a coffee sometime and get a list of places you'd like aerial photos of or perhaps share a flight. I'm itching to get back out to the incredible rock formation at Soda Lake (past Cuyama) for my Flickr collection, and splitting the $90/hr. for the plane makes it easier. As you now know, I'm all about ease. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jw4nvc ( talk • contribs)
OK, I've uploaded my first WC photo and added it along with an EdHat reference to the bridge article. I'm curious to see if it's deleted or I get flamed. I welcome any comments or suggestions you're willing to offer. I've pondered all this a bit, and am wondering if a major issue has been my reluctance to learn and adopt stringent publishing standards. I value the reliability of wiki info, so it's easy to understand why the standards are complex. At the same time, contributing is an occasional urge so I'm reluctant to invest hours studying the standards. I like how easy it is to get started on wiki editing, and had incorrectly assumed the wiki style was someone more experienced would correct it if any value were added by it. Oops. Anyway, no worries if it's deleted because I had fun futzing with it. Hey, hope your year is all you'd like. Jw4nvc ( talk) 07:36, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
Hope 2009 is a great year for you!-- MONGO 15:41, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Hey, thanks, Antandrus. I was remiss in not wishing you HNY, so all the best to you and those you love. This year, mid-summer is not much different from mid-winter down here. Sydney was stinking hot (par for the course) last week, but Victoria hasn't quite realised it's supposed to be warmer weather by now. Our time will come. Cheers. -- JackofOz ( talk) 00:31, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
I actually have a beach home there (well, it's not quite on the beach, but I can see it from all of my windows) which I rent out now. It's my favorite city in the world, except that I can't get decent pizza there. That makes me sad. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 18:19, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
Well, I just sent a Flickrmail to another SB wikite requesting dialog in email for my ease (recent focus of my learning). That and reading this slander about SB pizza (yes Virginia, there IS such a thing), got me wondering if there's a rule against wikites arranging to meet. Is there anyone else here who'd like to attempt a gathering?
You can reply here, email using the link in the left column here, or go to my Flickr page and send from there if you're a member. Otherwise, let me know how we can get connected via email. I guess worst case we could just set a date/place here in A.'s talk.
So what say you? Interested in venturing briefly out of cyberia? Jw4nvc ( talk) 23:02, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for reverting vandalism to my user and talk pages, and blocking the party responsible. Happy new year! Liberal Classic ( talk) 21:11, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
It's the middle of the night now everywhere in the world except the Middle East (South Africa?). How come you are posting at this odd hour?
Just curious. -- Ravpapa ( talk) 06:00, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
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It's nice to be back, believe me. All that recent Grawp nonsense was the impetus. I mean, "Antandrus has an ant's brain?" Puh-leez. :) Raul654 has been the biggest help imaginable since I started on this project and he came through in the clutch once more. Next time I'm in Santa Barbara, we'll hit some hip little joint on State Street. Drinks on me. -- PMDrive1061 ( talk) 05:59, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Hmm, alright, fair enough; though I still wouldn't think the average vandal capable of such an act. Do you think that a report to SSP is unwarranted? Glass Cobra 15:55, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
First off, I apologize for the spam. You are receiving this message because you have indicated that you are in Southern California or interested in Southern California topics (either via category or WikiProject).
I would like to invite you to the Los Angeles edition of Wikipedia:Wikipedia Loves Art, a photography scavenger hunt to be held at the Los Angeles County Museum of Art (LACMA) on Saturday, February 28, 2009, from 1:00 to 7:00 PM. All photos are intended for use in Wikipedia articles or on Wikimedia Commons. There will be a prize available for the person who gets the most photos on the list.
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Thank you and I hope to see you there! howcheng { chat} 23:30, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
I used to be the "North Carolina Vandal". I want to be welcomed back to the project as a good user. Egebwc ( talk) 07:31, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
LOL. Thank you for showing me that. I liked your recent entry for "redlink" in WikiSpeak, too. -- RobertG ♬ talk 16:09, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
I enjoyed the comment you left on Talk:California#VANDALISM. It actually made me laugh out loud. Killiondude ( talk) 19:57, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
You might look at my review of Hildegard of Bingen; I found a fair amount to complain about. Magic ♪piano 01:02, 18 January 2009 (UTC)