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2,495kph@10,975m - Austrian Airforce http://www.bmlv.gv.at/waffen/waf_eurofighter.shtml 1521mph - BAE SYSTEMS (manufacturer) http://www.baesystems.com/article/BAES_159814/typhoon Mach 2.0+ - EADS http://www.eads.com/eads/int/en/our-company/What-we-do/Cassidian/Eurofighter.html Mach 2+ - Technical Guide http://www.eurofighter.com/fileadmin/web_data/downloads/misc/TechGuideENG.pdf By choosing to ignore 2 manufacturers, the Austrian Airforce and a technical guide you are accusing yourself. Z07x10 ( talk) 19:03, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
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Hello, please be more careful when you read and use sources, especially when you are engaged in an edit war on the same topic. You misrepresented 2 sources in this paragraph. The eurofighter.com doesn't say Mach 2+ at all, it actually states exactly Mach 2.0. Same thing for EADS which doesn't say Mach 2+ either, it says Mach 2.0+. Do you see the difference? if not, go read the significant figures article and them come back here. Short version, the number 0 is significant (and that's why it's there). It means that values greater or even equal to Mach 2.1 are categorically excluded. The maximum value consistent with Mach 2.0+ is Mach 2.09999... Thank you. -- McSly ( talk) 07:02, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
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Please stop edit warring about the maximum speed of Eurofighter - while you may feel that the higher speed is the correct one, continual reversion is not the way to deal with it - if consensus cannot be reached, then dispute resolution is the way forward.
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My block has expired but I am stll blocked. Z07x10 ( talk) 12:14, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
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I was the only person involved who actually took the issue to dispute resolution. The other parties and admins were more concerned with merely edit warring and trying to get people blocked. So if I didn't follow the rules, how come I'm the only person in this dispute who took the matter to dispute resolution?
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Block was unjustified. I was merely enforcing an earlier consensus until a new one was reached. The other user - McSly - was aware of the 3RR rule so he made changes instead of reverts and therefore didn't get flagged leaving me as the one taking the flak. This is simply bad policy. I have taken out a dispute resolution and taken great lengths to explain and point out the history of the consensus on the individual admin's talk pages and the admin notice board and have taken out a dispute resolution /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Eurofighter_Typhoon. I requested that the page not be changed, leaving the earlier consensus in tact, as McSly's changes had no consensus, but admins ignored this and continued blindly throwing their weight round. Furthermore I explained all this on the admin page but it was then deleted by admins. My contributions to wiki always attempt to be sound, accurate and provide good sources without bias, e.g.: /info/en/?search=GQM-163_Coyote http://www.orbital.com/NewsInfo/Publications/Coyote_Fact.pdf /info/en/?search=BGM-71_TOW http://www.americanordnance.com/pdf/Tow.pdf /info/en/?search=FGM-148_Javelin http://www.americanordnance.com/pdf/Javelin.pdf http://www.army-technology.com/projects/javelin/ The administration and policy is disgraceful and allows users like McSly to cleverly work around them before admins blindly march in and deface pages in a way that doesn't represent consensus. If this block isn't lifted you'll have no problems with me edit-warring again because I simply won't contribute at all and point out wikipedia to other internet users for what it really is. A few people controlling information and a battle of who can exploit flawed policy the best. Z07x10 ( talk) 13:06, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
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Couldn't give a damn Thomas. Go have lots of fun in your fact manipulating fantasy world. Z07x10 ( talk) 13:12, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
1. Admins do nothing until a 3 revert flag appears. You can edit-war as much as you like as long as you don't revert and you'll go undetected.
2. Then admins rush in and unite against whoever triggered the 3 reverts regardless of the facts or history of the dispute.
3. Then the admins take turns at reverting in support of each other, based on nothing other than the fact that another admin is being questioned. Then they go crying to the admin noticeboards and say, "you reverted the changes of several different users" - all of which were admins.
Bots could do the job the way they do it.
Users to watch for:
Dbrodbeck, McSly - they are French and have a vested, undisclosed interest in promoting the Rafale on English wikipedia regardless of the fact that they are French. This is why the maximum speed of the Eurofighter is listed as Mach 1.8 on French wiki but is listed as 2.35 on German wiki and was listed as 2.35 on English wiki too until they defaced it.
More typical comments from admins:
Feel free to leave your own comments/experiences. Z07x10 ( talk) 13:35, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to delete or edit legitimate talk page comments, as you did at User talk:Z07x10, you may be blocked from editing. Thomas.W talk to me 11:10, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
If you don't like the facts I've presented, dispute them rather than cowering behind regulations. This is so typical of the cowardly behaviour exercised by admin on Wikipedia. I took out a Dispute Resolution and am now blocked from taking part in it. I was the one who took out the dispute resolution whilst every other party was still focused on one-up-manship and somehow I am the one penalised. I'm sure you can see why I think this site is shit. It's all about censorship and selection of facts by elite clans who know relatively little about the subject matter. This is why you have a web page of a fighter jet taking specifications from Haynes manual and are commonly regarded as a laughing stock among the wider internet community and true enthusiasts in any relevant subject matter. Furthermore, how is editing MY talk page disruptive? Z07x10 ( talk) 11:47, 24 September 2013 (UTC) And the block should now have expired but hasn't because they want to make sure I don't get a say in the Dispute Resolution. Nazis. Z07x10 ( talk) 12:01, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=Talk:Eurofighter_Typhoon "Hello, consensus can and does routinely change when new information and new sources come to view"
So what about the people reciprocating my actions who didn't take out DR (you cannot revert that which hasn't been changed)? What road did they take? I don't understand why I, out of the two protagonists involved, was singled out for abuse and why this previous consensus wasn't the one held until DR by admins. That's clear bias. Z07x10 ( talk) 12:38, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
What time is it now? Z07x10 ( talk) 12:46, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
Hello. I have reverted your latest changes on Eurofighter Typhoon, not because of being against them per se, but because there is a current case at the dispute resolution board, and a current discussion on the talk page of the article. So until you get a consensus that supports your edits, on the talk page and/or at the dispute resolution board, you should stay away from the article. And don't start a new edit war over this, because you know what the outcome of that would be. Thomas.W talk to me 14:25, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
The page now reads exactly as it did before 'Mach 2.35' was added in the first place. That is clearly the place where we should return to. It is verifiable in the edit history I'm sure. Furthermore the figure of 2,125kph has no source. If it has then please show it. Z07x10 ( talk) 14:31, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi Nick. Eurofighter themselves quote Mach 2.0+ http://www.eurofighter.com/eurofighter-typhoon/technicaldata.html. EADS quote 2.0+. http://www.eads.com/eads/int/en/our-company/What-we-do/Cassidian/Eurofighter.html The Austrian Airforce quote 2,495kph at 10,975m. http://www.bmlv.gv.at/waffen/waf_eurofighter.shtml
The speed of sound varies with altitude:
/info/en/?search=Speed_of_sound /info/en/?search=File:Comparison_US_standard_atmosphere_1962.svg
At 11,000m it is ~295m/s which can also be calculated by sqrt(Gamma * R * T) = sqrt(1.4*287*216.65) = 295m/s = 1062kph ......([295/1000]*3600) = 1062
2495/1062 = 2.35
2495kph is about 1550mph. BAE SYSTEMS quote '1521mph'. http://www.baesystems.com/article/BAES_159814/typhoon
Airpower Austria also show that Mach 2.0+ is achievable across a very broad range of altitudes. http://eurofighter.airpower.at/technik-daten.htm. For comparison here is a MiG-29 flight envelope (other flight envelopes are also posted at the dispute page). http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/4430/l6mh.png
It is common for initial information relesases to say 'Mach 2+' or 'Mach 2 class' even when speed well over that can be achieved in certain configurations and this figure no doubt propagated to various sources. Lockheed also quote Mach 2 class for F-22. http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/products/f22/f-22-specifications.html
Mach 1.8 as quoted by the RAF is probably an operating limit used to increase MTBO (Mean Time Between Overhaul) and reduce operating costs or it could be a speed with a specific stores configuration, e.g. drop tanks etc.
There is currently a debate on the issue here: /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Eurofighter_Typhoon
Z07x10 you have continued to edit war at Eurofighter Typhoon as soon as the block had ended, this is clearly disruptive behaviour. It doesnt matter that you think you are right but continually changing the article is not the way forward. I have blocked the article from editing to stop the edit warring but note I have protected it as is and this may not be the correct version. Please discuss this matter on the talk page and come to a consensus, thanks. MilborneOne ( talk) 18:49, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
I assumed good faith by removing the protection from the article (and allow others to edit areas other than maximum speed) but you started editing the same area again, note that any non-consensus edit to the speed area will be seen as distruptive editing. Please gain consensus for any edits involving speed or you may gain a topic ban or we will remove your editing privilages, thanks. MilborneOne ( talk) 13:28, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
Please stop making your responses in other people's statements. Those subsections are for their comment only, not yours. If you don't understand what an "indef(inite block from the project" is, then I'm a little surprised. If you want to question someone's statement, you return to your OWN section, and start a new line like this:
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Appreciate that you are frustrated that you cant gain consensus for your change on Eurofighter Typhoon but at some point you need to drop the stick rather than continue raising the point on different discussion boards. It is clear that if you carry on you are at risk of being topic banned from Typhoon discussions or having your editing rights removed. You clearly have a passion for the subject but with your knowledge we have a lot of articles that could do with expansion and improvement. Perhaps consider moving on to different subjects, you may not believe it we actually dont like to loose good editors. So have a think about it and decide are you going to help improve the encyclopedia or continue to be disruptive. MilborneOne ( talk) 10:26, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
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"reliable primary sources may be used in Wikipedia" "A primary source may only be used on Wikipedia to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person" A picture is pretty straightforward. Z07x10 ( talk) 17:43, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
Hi there. Would you care to self-revert as per the advice here: Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Images. Thank you. 20.133.0.13 ( talk) 16:31, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
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First of all, thank you for your efforts in improve the article. If it were not for your efforts to challenge my edits, I would never have double checked my handy work on the page from three years ago, and a lot of serious errors made by me would not be caught.
As for the topic of Chinese causalities, first of all and on personal opinion basis, I do agree with your judgement that the Chinese 19th Army Group probably suffered somewhere between 15,000 to 30,000 losses during the battle, based on my knowledge of how Chinese official history themselves admitted that the casualties has been heavy, if not severe. However, per WP:OR policy, I cannot put personal opinion on the article until I can find a source that explicitly stated "Chinese 19th Army Group suffered more than 20,000 losses during the battle," and as an member of Wikipedia, I have to uphold such policy on the article even if I personally agree with your judgement. Here is the deal: if you can find a sources that explicitly stated "Chinese 19th Army Group suffered more than 20,000 losses during the battle," then I will not block that number on the article any further. Jim101 ( talk) 17:42, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
I agree with you but I need sources that agrees with us. So far during my entire research I have not found a source that explicitly stated "entire Chinese forces suffered 20,000 losses" while smart enough not to drag 63rd Army into the discussion. Help me find this source. Jim101 ( talk) 22:04, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
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1. (cur | prev) 12:14, 4 June 2015 Mztourist (talk | contribs) m . . (167,591 bytes) (-6) . . (→Radar signature reduction features) (undo | thank) 2. (cur | prev) 12:13, 4 June 2015 Mztourist (talk | contribs) . . (167,597 bytes) (-252) . . (→Radar signature reduction features: Z07x10 stop blaming me for edits I didn't do and stop adding your OR!) (undo | thank) (cur | prev) 12:10, 4 June 2015 Z07x10 (talk | contribs) . . (167,849 bytes) (+144) . . (→Radar signature reduction features: Undone further bad faith non-agreed changes of Mzourist. Z07x10 ( talk) 14:15, 4 June 2015 (UTC)) (undo) 3. (cur | prev) 12:04, 4 June 2015 Mztourist (talk | contribs) . . (167,705 bytes) (-258) . . (→Radar signature reduction features: restored tag and removed OR; Z07x10 I didn't make and bad faith changes IP 86.69.13.240 did make changes while you keep Z07x10 ( talk) 14:15, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
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Hello. I have removed some of the material you added since the reference you added is to a blog run by an enthusiast in Italy ( http://ukarmedforcescommentary.blogspot.co.uk), a blog that has nothing whatsoever to do with "Air Forces Monthly", as you seemed to claim, or the UK Armed Forces. I hope it was an honest mistake and not a deliberate attempt to mislead people. Thomas.W talk 16:09, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
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May I presume safely that the deletion of the material from the Sean Hannity section in this edit was accidental? If it wasn't, please explain. Regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 14:57, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
All I can come up with is that there was a lot of text there and it's possible that there might have been an edit conflict that Z07x10 might have overrode. Also it's possible that because they were in different sections the MediaWiki Framework didn't think ahead and possibly acceped Z07's content carte blanche disregarding the different section. TransporterMan You might want to raise it at VP:T or at whatever bug reporting tool the foundation is using for bugs this week (bugzilla, Phabricator, etc) if you think it's a problem. Hasteur ( talk) 14:54, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
Per the Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines, please do not edit your posts after they have been responded to. AndyTheGrump ( talk) 17:57, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
I'm sure you have been editing Wikipedia long enough to know that you can't copy-paste copyright material into articles like this: [1] AndyTheGrump ( talk) 12:45, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
I see that other editors are saying that you have accidentally caused problems by pushing edit conflicts. My suggestion is that, if you have an edit conflict, copy your own text, and then back out and edit again. Robert McClenon ( talk) 14:37, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
I have two comments on your mediation request that seems to be nowhere. First, there may be a problem because the bot may not be able to deal with two requests with the same name. You made a similar request for mediation about the same article a year and a half ago, and it was declined. You may need to follow some special rule at this time. You maybe should request help from User:TransporterMan or another mediator. (Whether the fact that you have requested mediation about the same article twice and gotten nowhere should be a lesson is beyond the scope of this comment.)
Second, I personally have no idea what you hope to gain by requesting mediation. The purpose of mediation is to achieve compromise. There is nothing to compromise on. Either the comparison language is included or it is excluded. I had already suggested that you request help in publishing a neutral Request for Comments, which would get the attention of other editors beyond the ones who already don't want the language included. However, you instead ignored my advice and requested mediation. Do you think that the mediator will push your position through? That isn't how mediation works. I really don't understand what you are trying to gain by requesting mediation. Robert McClenon ( talk) 15:57, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
You are unbelievable, you are edit warring my comments on the RFC page. Remove all your comments or I go straight to the edit warring noticeboard. Mztourist ( talk) 11:14, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
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I have previously told you that http://ukarmedforcescommentary.blogspot.co.uk isn't a reliable source, and can't be used as a reference on Wikipedia, but you still keep adding it. So consider this as a formal level-3-warning for repeated deliberate improper sourcing. Don't do it again! Thomas.W talk 12:15, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
"the reference you added is to a blog run by an enthusiast in Italy", and blogs are not WP:RS and can not be used as references. As for your Air Forces Monthly reference we need month and page number, not just year, so that it can be verified. Which I intend to do, because I no longer trust anything you write. Thomas.W talk 12:28, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
Please stop your disruptive editing, as you did at Talk: Eurofighter Typhoon. Your edits have been reverted or removed.
Do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive until the dispute is resolved through consensus. Continuing to edit disruptively may result in your being blocked from editing. By changing the wording of the RFC, you not only made it non-neutral, when its original wording was neutral, but, by changing it from asking whether to include the paragraph to whether to exclude it, you rendered the existing !votes meaningless. Robert McClenon ( talk) 13:02, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
You asked:
Why are people allowed to refuse mediation and then continue to oppose content? That makes no sense whatsoever. The matter should be heard in their absence if they refuse to attend. Z07x10 ( talk) 08:12, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
Because mediation is nothing more than a guided and supervised continuation of the discussion on the article talk page and no one is required to participate in such a process any more than they are required to participate in the discussion at the article talk page. In most cases, those who decline mediation (or participation in DRN or Third Opinion) don't try to disturb any consensus reached in those venues. Thirdly, the WP community has always been opposed to any kind of binding content arbitration or mediation process (I presume that you understand that mediation at MEDCOM is not a court to decide content issues and that any result reached there can only be through the consensus of the parties to the mediation) and by freezing out non-participants that makes the mediation process binding at least to them. Having said that, I must say in all candor that I agree to some extent with the sentiment behind your statement and have considered proposing an amendment to the Dispute Resolution Policy which would, in effect, temporarily (during the mediation and for some short period of time afterward, perhaps a month or two) topic ban only on the subject of the dispute, broadly construed, not on the article or any other disputes at the article, any participant in a dispute which is accepted for mediation at DRN or MEDCOM who refuses to participate. I've not actually proposed such an amendment because, based on my observation of other related proposals, I don't think that it would pass. Regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 14:32, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
Regarding Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Z07x10 reported by User:Mztourist (Result: ). Not only do you edit war, you fail to cooperate with others in the dispute resolution forums. This is now adding up to a long-term pattern of bad behavior on your part. If there is no way to get you to behave properly at Eurofighter Typhoon an admin may consider issuing a long block, perhaps an indef. You can avoid this by making assurances that you will back away from the dispute. The simplest way to do that is to accept a permanent voluntary ban from Eurofighter Typhoon and its talk page. Thank you, EdJohnston ( talk) 15:07, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
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For the Mediation Committee, TransporterMan ( TALK) 15:21, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
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You currently appear to be engaged in an
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If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. The Bushranger One ping only 17:02, 28 August 2013 (UTC) I've already argued this matter successfully twice. Do I really need to keep re-arguing. Nobody spoke to me before changing the article this time. The sources are clear- Austrian Airforce 2495kph at 10,975m - very specific. As regards the Mach 1.8 claim. Check my source for the accleration from rest to Mach 1.6 at 11km altitude - <150s, supercruise Mach 1.5. Not really likely for a plane that's about to top out. It's not me you need to give the warning to, it's to American kids who think they own Wikipedia.
2,495kph@10,975m - Austrian Airforce http://www.bmlv.gv.at/waffen/waf_eurofighter.shtml 1521mph - BAE SYSTEMS (manufacturer) http://www.baesystems.com/article/BAES_159814/typhoon Mach 2.0+ - EADS http://www.eads.com/eads/int/en/our-company/What-we-do/Cassidian/Eurofighter.html Mach 2+ - Technical Guide http://www.eurofighter.com/fileadmin/web_data/downloads/misc/TechGuideENG.pdf By choosing to ignore 2 manufacturers, the Austrian Airforce and a technical guide you are accusing yourself. Z07x10 ( talk) 19:03, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
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Hello, please be more careful when you read and use sources, especially when you are engaged in an edit war on the same topic. You misrepresented 2 sources in this paragraph. The eurofighter.com doesn't say Mach 2+ at all, it actually states exactly Mach 2.0. Same thing for EADS which doesn't say Mach 2+ either, it says Mach 2.0+. Do you see the difference? if not, go read the significant figures article and them come back here. Short version, the number 0 is significant (and that's why it's there). It means that values greater or even equal to Mach 2.1 are categorically excluded. The maximum value consistent with Mach 2.0+ is Mach 2.09999... Thank you. -- McSly ( talk) 07:02, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
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Please stop edit warring about the maximum speed of Eurofighter - while you may feel that the higher speed is the correct one, continual reversion is not the way to deal with it - if consensus cannot be reached, then dispute resolution is the way forward.
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False accusations of sock puppetry like you did here are not treated lightly on WP and unsupported accusations won't be tolerated. So you have 2 choices now. You can either file a WP:SPI request with proof or unequivocally retract that accusation. Make that choice quickly. -- McSly ( talk) 20:15, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
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My block has expired but I am stll blocked. Z07x10 ( talk) 12:14, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
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24 hrs has expired. Z07x10 ( talk) 12:03, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
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I was the only person involved who actually took the issue to dispute resolution. The other parties and admins were more concerned with merely edit warring and trying to get people blocked. So if I didn't follow the rules, how come I'm the only person in this dispute who took the matter to dispute resolution?
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Block was unjustified. I was merely enforcing an earlier consensus until a new one was reached. The other user - McSly - was aware of the 3RR rule so he made changes instead of reverts and therefore didn't get flagged leaving me as the one taking the flak. This is simply bad policy. I have taken out a dispute resolution and taken great lengths to explain and point out the history of the consensus on the individual admin's talk pages and the admin notice board and have taken out a dispute resolution /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Eurofighter_Typhoon. I requested that the page not be changed, leaving the earlier consensus in tact, as McSly's changes had no consensus, but admins ignored this and continued blindly throwing their weight round. Furthermore I explained all this on the admin page but it was then deleted by admins. My contributions to wiki always attempt to be sound, accurate and provide good sources without bias, e.g.: /info/en/?search=GQM-163_Coyote http://www.orbital.com/NewsInfo/Publications/Coyote_Fact.pdf /info/en/?search=BGM-71_TOW http://www.americanordnance.com/pdf/Tow.pdf /info/en/?search=FGM-148_Javelin http://www.americanordnance.com/pdf/Javelin.pdf http://www.army-technology.com/projects/javelin/ The administration and policy is disgraceful and allows users like McSly to cleverly work around them before admins blindly march in and deface pages in a way that doesn't represent consensus. If this block isn't lifted you'll have no problems with me edit-warring again because I simply won't contribute at all and point out wikipedia to other internet users for what it really is. A few people controlling information and a battle of who can exploit flawed policy the best. Z07x10 ( talk) 13:06, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
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Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Thomas.W talk to me 12:48, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
Couldn't give a damn Thomas. Go have lots of fun in your fact manipulating fantasy world. Z07x10 ( talk) 13:12, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
1. Admins do nothing until a 3 revert flag appears. You can edit-war as much as you like as long as you don't revert and you'll go undetected.
2. Then admins rush in and unite against whoever triggered the 3 reverts regardless of the facts or history of the dispute.
3. Then the admins take turns at reverting in support of each other, based on nothing other than the fact that another admin is being questioned. Then they go crying to the admin noticeboards and say, "you reverted the changes of several different users" - all of which were admins.
Bots could do the job the way they do it.
Users to watch for:
Dbrodbeck, McSly - they are French and have a vested, undisclosed interest in promoting the Rafale on English wikipedia regardless of the fact that they are French. This is why the maximum speed of the Eurofighter is listed as Mach 1.8 on French wiki but is listed as 2.35 on German wiki and was listed as 2.35 on English wiki too until they defaced it.
More typical comments from admins:
Feel free to leave your own comments/experiences. Z07x10 ( talk) 13:35, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to delete or edit legitimate talk page comments, as you did at User talk:Z07x10, you may be blocked from editing. Thomas.W talk to me 11:10, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
If you don't like the facts I've presented, dispute them rather than cowering behind regulations. This is so typical of the cowardly behaviour exercised by admin on Wikipedia. I took out a Dispute Resolution and am now blocked from taking part in it. I was the one who took out the dispute resolution whilst every other party was still focused on one-up-manship and somehow I am the one penalised. I'm sure you can see why I think this site is shit. It's all about censorship and selection of facts by elite clans who know relatively little about the subject matter. This is why you have a web page of a fighter jet taking specifications from Haynes manual and are commonly regarded as a laughing stock among the wider internet community and true enthusiasts in any relevant subject matter. Furthermore, how is editing MY talk page disruptive? Z07x10 ( talk) 11:47, 24 September 2013 (UTC) And the block should now have expired but hasn't because they want to make sure I don't get a say in the Dispute Resolution. Nazis. Z07x10 ( talk) 12:01, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=Talk:Eurofighter_Typhoon "Hello, consensus can and does routinely change when new information and new sources come to view"
So what about the people reciprocating my actions who didn't take out DR (you cannot revert that which hasn't been changed)? What road did they take? I don't understand why I, out of the two protagonists involved, was singled out for abuse and why this previous consensus wasn't the one held until DR by admins. That's clear bias. Z07x10 ( talk) 12:38, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
What time is it now? Z07x10 ( talk) 12:46, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
Hello. I have reverted your latest changes on Eurofighter Typhoon, not because of being against them per se, but because there is a current case at the dispute resolution board, and a current discussion on the talk page of the article. So until you get a consensus that supports your edits, on the talk page and/or at the dispute resolution board, you should stay away from the article. And don't start a new edit war over this, because you know what the outcome of that would be. Thomas.W talk to me 14:25, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
The page now reads exactly as it did before 'Mach 2.35' was added in the first place. That is clearly the place where we should return to. It is verifiable in the edit history I'm sure. Furthermore the figure of 2,125kph has no source. If it has then please show it. Z07x10 ( talk) 14:31, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi Nick. Eurofighter themselves quote Mach 2.0+ http://www.eurofighter.com/eurofighter-typhoon/technicaldata.html. EADS quote 2.0+. http://www.eads.com/eads/int/en/our-company/What-we-do/Cassidian/Eurofighter.html The Austrian Airforce quote 2,495kph at 10,975m. http://www.bmlv.gv.at/waffen/waf_eurofighter.shtml
The speed of sound varies with altitude:
/info/en/?search=Speed_of_sound /info/en/?search=File:Comparison_US_standard_atmosphere_1962.svg
At 11,000m it is ~295m/s which can also be calculated by sqrt(Gamma * R * T) = sqrt(1.4*287*216.65) = 295m/s = 1062kph ......([295/1000]*3600) = 1062
2495/1062 = 2.35
2495kph is about 1550mph. BAE SYSTEMS quote '1521mph'. http://www.baesystems.com/article/BAES_159814/typhoon
Airpower Austria also show that Mach 2.0+ is achievable across a very broad range of altitudes. http://eurofighter.airpower.at/technik-daten.htm. For comparison here is a MiG-29 flight envelope (other flight envelopes are also posted at the dispute page). http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/4430/l6mh.png
It is common for initial information relesases to say 'Mach 2+' or 'Mach 2 class' even when speed well over that can be achieved in certain configurations and this figure no doubt propagated to various sources. Lockheed also quote Mach 2 class for F-22. http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/products/f22/f-22-specifications.html
Mach 1.8 as quoted by the RAF is probably an operating limit used to increase MTBO (Mean Time Between Overhaul) and reduce operating costs or it could be a speed with a specific stores configuration, e.g. drop tanks etc.
There is currently a debate on the issue here: /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Eurofighter_Typhoon
Z07x10 you have continued to edit war at Eurofighter Typhoon as soon as the block had ended, this is clearly disruptive behaviour. It doesnt matter that you think you are right but continually changing the article is not the way forward. I have blocked the article from editing to stop the edit warring but note I have protected it as is and this may not be the correct version. Please discuss this matter on the talk page and come to a consensus, thanks. MilborneOne ( talk) 18:49, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
I assumed good faith by removing the protection from the article (and allow others to edit areas other than maximum speed) but you started editing the same area again, note that any non-consensus edit to the speed area will be seen as distruptive editing. Please gain consensus for any edits involving speed or you may gain a topic ban or we will remove your editing privilages, thanks. MilborneOne ( talk) 13:28, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
Please stop making your responses in other people's statements. Those subsections are for their comment only, not yours. If you don't understand what an "indef(inite block from the project" is, then I'm a little surprised. If you want to question someone's statement, you return to your OWN section, and start a new line like this:
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Appreciate that you are frustrated that you cant gain consensus for your change on Eurofighter Typhoon but at some point you need to drop the stick rather than continue raising the point on different discussion boards. It is clear that if you carry on you are at risk of being topic banned from Typhoon discussions or having your editing rights removed. You clearly have a passion for the subject but with your knowledge we have a lot of articles that could do with expansion and improvement. Perhaps consider moving on to different subjects, you may not believe it we actually dont like to loose good editors. So have a think about it and decide are you going to help improve the encyclopedia or continue to be disruptive. MilborneOne ( talk) 10:26, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
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"reliable primary sources may be used in Wikipedia" "A primary source may only be used on Wikipedia to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person" A picture is pretty straightforward. Z07x10 ( talk) 17:43, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
Hi there. Would you care to self-revert as per the advice here: Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Images. Thank you. 20.133.0.13 ( talk) 16:31, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
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First of all, thank you for your efforts in improve the article. If it were not for your efforts to challenge my edits, I would never have double checked my handy work on the page from three years ago, and a lot of serious errors made by me would not be caught.
As for the topic of Chinese causalities, first of all and on personal opinion basis, I do agree with your judgement that the Chinese 19th Army Group probably suffered somewhere between 15,000 to 30,000 losses during the battle, based on my knowledge of how Chinese official history themselves admitted that the casualties has been heavy, if not severe. However, per WP:OR policy, I cannot put personal opinion on the article until I can find a source that explicitly stated "Chinese 19th Army Group suffered more than 20,000 losses during the battle," and as an member of Wikipedia, I have to uphold such policy on the article even if I personally agree with your judgement. Here is the deal: if you can find a sources that explicitly stated "Chinese 19th Army Group suffered more than 20,000 losses during the battle," then I will not block that number on the article any further. Jim101 ( talk) 17:42, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
I agree with you but I need sources that agrees with us. So far during my entire research I have not found a source that explicitly stated "entire Chinese forces suffered 20,000 losses" while smart enough not to drag 63rd Army into the discussion. Help me find this source. Jim101 ( talk) 22:04, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
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Hello. I have removed some of the material you added since the reference you added is to a blog run by an enthusiast in Italy ( http://ukarmedforcescommentary.blogspot.co.uk), a blog that has nothing whatsoever to do with "Air Forces Monthly", as you seemed to claim, or the UK Armed Forces. I hope it was an honest mistake and not a deliberate attempt to mislead people. Thomas.W talk 16:09, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
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May I presume safely that the deletion of the material from the Sean Hannity section in this edit was accidental? If it wasn't, please explain. Regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 14:57, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
All I can come up with is that there was a lot of text there and it's possible that there might have been an edit conflict that Z07x10 might have overrode. Also it's possible that because they were in different sections the MediaWiki Framework didn't think ahead and possibly acceped Z07's content carte blanche disregarding the different section. TransporterMan You might want to raise it at VP:T or at whatever bug reporting tool the foundation is using for bugs this week (bugzilla, Phabricator, etc) if you think it's a problem. Hasteur ( talk) 14:54, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
Per the Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines, please do not edit your posts after they have been responded to. AndyTheGrump ( talk) 17:57, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
I'm sure you have been editing Wikipedia long enough to know that you can't copy-paste copyright material into articles like this: [1] AndyTheGrump ( talk) 12:45, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
I see that other editors are saying that you have accidentally caused problems by pushing edit conflicts. My suggestion is that, if you have an edit conflict, copy your own text, and then back out and edit again. Robert McClenon ( talk) 14:37, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
I have two comments on your mediation request that seems to be nowhere. First, there may be a problem because the bot may not be able to deal with two requests with the same name. You made a similar request for mediation about the same article a year and a half ago, and it was declined. You may need to follow some special rule at this time. You maybe should request help from User:TransporterMan or another mediator. (Whether the fact that you have requested mediation about the same article twice and gotten nowhere should be a lesson is beyond the scope of this comment.)
Second, I personally have no idea what you hope to gain by requesting mediation. The purpose of mediation is to achieve compromise. There is nothing to compromise on. Either the comparison language is included or it is excluded. I had already suggested that you request help in publishing a neutral Request for Comments, which would get the attention of other editors beyond the ones who already don't want the language included. However, you instead ignored my advice and requested mediation. Do you think that the mediator will push your position through? That isn't how mediation works. I really don't understand what you are trying to gain by requesting mediation. Robert McClenon ( talk) 15:57, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
You are unbelievable, you are edit warring my comments on the RFC page. Remove all your comments or I go straight to the edit warring noticeboard. Mztourist ( talk) 11:14, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
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I have previously told you that http://ukarmedforcescommentary.blogspot.co.uk isn't a reliable source, and can't be used as a reference on Wikipedia, but you still keep adding it. So consider this as a formal level-3-warning for repeated deliberate improper sourcing. Don't do it again! Thomas.W talk 12:15, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
"the reference you added is to a blog run by an enthusiast in Italy", and blogs are not WP:RS and can not be used as references. As for your Air Forces Monthly reference we need month and page number, not just year, so that it can be verified. Which I intend to do, because I no longer trust anything you write. Thomas.W talk 12:28, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
Please stop your disruptive editing, as you did at Talk: Eurofighter Typhoon. Your edits have been reverted or removed.
Do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive until the dispute is resolved through consensus. Continuing to edit disruptively may result in your being blocked from editing. By changing the wording of the RFC, you not only made it non-neutral, when its original wording was neutral, but, by changing it from asking whether to include the paragraph to whether to exclude it, you rendered the existing !votes meaningless. Robert McClenon ( talk) 13:02, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
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Why are people allowed to refuse mediation and then continue to oppose content? That makes no sense whatsoever. The matter should be heard in their absence if they refuse to attend. Z07x10 ( talk) 08:12, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
Because mediation is nothing more than a guided and supervised continuation of the discussion on the article talk page and no one is required to participate in such a process any more than they are required to participate in the discussion at the article talk page. In most cases, those who decline mediation (or participation in DRN or Third Opinion) don't try to disturb any consensus reached in those venues. Thirdly, the WP community has always been opposed to any kind of binding content arbitration or mediation process (I presume that you understand that mediation at MEDCOM is not a court to decide content issues and that any result reached there can only be through the consensus of the parties to the mediation) and by freezing out non-participants that makes the mediation process binding at least to them. Having said that, I must say in all candor that I agree to some extent with the sentiment behind your statement and have considered proposing an amendment to the Dispute Resolution Policy which would, in effect, temporarily (during the mediation and for some short period of time afterward, perhaps a month or two) topic ban only on the subject of the dispute, broadly construed, not on the article or any other disputes at the article, any participant in a dispute which is accepted for mediation at DRN or MEDCOM who refuses to participate. I've not actually proposed such an amendment because, based on my observation of other related proposals, I don't think that it would pass. Regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 14:32, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
Regarding Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Z07x10 reported by User:Mztourist (Result: ). Not only do you edit war, you fail to cooperate with others in the dispute resolution forums. This is now adding up to a long-term pattern of bad behavior on your part. If there is no way to get you to behave properly at Eurofighter Typhoon an admin may consider issuing a long block, perhaps an indef. You can avoid this by making assurances that you will back away from the dispute. The simplest way to do that is to accept a permanent voluntary ban from Eurofighter Typhoon and its talk page. Thank you, EdJohnston ( talk) 15:07, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
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