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Quite OK, but can you make it so it doesn't send me those nag notices (please)? IOW fix the goofs but not send me a bonk on the head notice. :) TCO ( talk) 23:59, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
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For your dedication and all your great work on Wilmer Tanner [CharlieEchoTango] 10:58, 10 January 2011 (UTC) |
No sweat. I agree everyone does not need to be Wehwalt or Charles Matthews. We will never get enough like that. I do think some harder checking of the box, even just to experience it, is useful for the individual and the community and sends a needed message about content and prose, that will lead to improvement. Look at the average person who has gotten somthing to GA or FA. they're NOT some super-Wehwalt, but at least have been in the wars. The value is that as they apply policies and such, they have some real thought about how to make this place better (it is pretty bad in some aspects of quality and could really be upgraded in quality...not to perfection, but better). And this has nothing to do with not banning Malleus when he acts up or letting me be a troll or the like. You will still ahve some prima donnas that need to be disciplined. But even on that front, less. And again, that's really far from my concern. TCO ( talk) 05:58, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
Over at SunCreator's new portal, we're picking out our six favorite turtle images. What do you think of mine? What are your favorites? We'll all talk it over and we need just six.-- NYMFan69-86 ( talk) 01:43, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
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Howdy TCO! I think the correct protocol for this situation is to wait until the Featured Picture Nomination is concluded. Once it is over, if the cleaned-up version is promoted or neither version is promoted, you can switch out the images in each of the articles so that the cleaned version is used instead. If somehow the non-cleaned version wins, you'll need to leave that one in the articles. Either way, you should leave both versions as separate files on Commons (in case someone needs the original version for some reason). Hope that makes sense. Good luck! Kaldari ( talk) 06:40, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
No problem. I enjoy randomly coming across images and cleaning up their descriptions, especially after an image has been transferred from one of the projects to Commons. CommonsHelper is great, but it leaves a mess. Btw, I've also applied the same template to the cleaned-up image description, with proper attribution to the modifier. Thanks for pointing that out. — Huntster ( t @ c) 07:26, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Why isn't your name under "Nominator(s)" on the FAC review page any more?-- NYMFan69-86 ( talk) 05:44, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for the response. First, with the title, current consensus has it to keep it as two words, because it is the official title of the film. The title has been discussed in the talk archives of the article, and the latest FAC. With structure, it's just following the WP:MOSFILM style guide to keep it consistent. The themes section, it is a difficult one, yes, but with the length of the article, I am looking into creating a seperate article altogether which goes into further detail. It's an important section, but that issue wasn't really the focus of any of the FAC's. But let's see what we can do. I should probably put this article up at Peer review, where more people can comment on it from there. Thanks, -- TÆRkast ( Communicate) 18:32, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
I feel ya man!
The lead is not bad. You do have 4 paras allowed, so could add a bit more, or perhaps just use the "break" if there is a thought you want to split. First para seemed just a tad rough for me (and it should shine). I would probably completely cull the cast list (they're obscure names and you pretty much have to blue link them as names, but then you get one of those blue mashes that really slow the reader down. I think if you just say "rookie cast" or some words to that effect (like you have in the article) that's actually more relevant information than the list of names that no one has heard of. Plus they are all in the info box, a little to the right. I would do different if the names were recognizable or special somehow to the end result. Half a loaf would be to move them down to second lead para at least. They really are just kinda "details" that are getting too much prominence now. I think there was one sentence in the lead, middle of first para, that gave me a "huh" factor, because it had like three clauses in it and too many separate thoughts. That's an easy fix though.
Like I said, I think the way to deal with the themes is to finesse it a bit. You can leave the content, but move it down in promince, put it after the film critic stuff. It's just not strong enough to go in the front, plus in some ways it's really just another aspect of what the film critics said (violence against females and nihilism, are more sophisticated sure, but are followons from the thing being just...violent!)
I'm about 97% sure that this will make your article better for a reader, regardless of policy. But we'll get some clarity on the whole "follow the template" thing before I move all the furniture!
Would you agree with my take that the "story" of TCSM is that it was an ugly duckling (no budget, by unknown people) that struggled to get released, struggled to get past the censors, and then ended up making a lot of money, getting a lot of sequels, becoming a term that is on everyone's lips (even those like me who have never seen the film)? TCO ( talk) 19:29, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
Let me ask a few people that I respect (maybe Wehwalt, he has a play in there now, so he can advise on this template format thing and if he agrees with my take on the org). Maybe one way to keep it more your baby, would be if I just give you a murderous review and then you can do all the changes yourself. Otherwise if you let the baby in my hands, there will be all kinds of body parts moving around. (get it, haha, fits with the movie). Like on Painted turtle, I did a pretty major rewrite. They were cool with it and appreciated it, but personally I would hate it if someone did that to one of "my" articles. TCO ( talk) 20:21, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
I'll give it a readthrough and just a list of thoughts over at your user page. You can share it with those fellows. BTW, I (just now), read through the MOSFILM guide. It says right in there that if "themes" belongs better in crit reception, you can put it there. It does, for this film. Also, I see that they require you to put the cast in first para. But given the "who cares" natures of the actors, I would just call out the girl and Leatherface actor (in the lead) and have some comment about the rookie cast and all. That should cover you and actually gives more relevant info. Some other quick things I noticed (need to reread but just jotting down): seemed like you misuse the word post-production for commercial activities related to finding a distributor (not film editing as word is commonly used and as MOSFILM does); Also, I didn't see the rotten tomatoes and such (although might have missed it). TCO ( talk) 20:42, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi yes I can have a look at that and will probably add more to those available as well. Sorry for delay had no internet for a week, hence my absence. Faendalimas ( talk) 14:37, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
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Let me handle all the comments left by Casliber. She may/may not remember me from a while ago and you've been doing more then your fair share of the work. NYMFan69-86 ( talk) 00:00, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the offer, it is greatly appreciated. I will take any offered with much gratitude. -- Jeremy ( blah blah • I did it!) 23:23, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
Sorry about your photo, I thought it had featured written all over it.-- NYMFan69-86 ( talk) 02:27, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi there. I just wanted to let you know that I closed the William W. Tanner nomination as "not promoted" because it did not have the requisite amount of support. You're welcome to re-nominate it in the future to see if it attracts more attention. If you choose to do so, I'd recommend waiting around a month to avoid any complaints of "we just voted on this." I'd also like to welcome you to FPC. We're always happy to see new contributors, whether they're uploading, nominating, or just reviewing. I hope to see you around more in the future. Cheers, Makeemlighter ( talk) 02:28, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
[1]. I wasn't sure how we were going to do this. :-) NYMFan69-86 ( talk) 22:05, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
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— HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:04, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
Hey, got your message yes I can try get some articles to GA, been trying to get rid of red links. Anyways I am happy to do Chelidae and Testudinidae and will also work on some of the common species of Chelids eg Chelodina longicollis, I would also like to do some of the species I actually named such as Elseya albagula, Chelodina burrungandjii and Chelodina canni. Any other suggestions feel free. Faendalimas ( talk) 16:13, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
We got FA!!!!! NYMFan69-86 ( talk) 03:01, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Congratulations are definitely in order. You two stuck to it like glue, even though TCO did appear to be close to throwing a wobbly at one stage. But you've now got a template for many more turtle articles, so go turtles!. :-) Malleus Fatuorum 03:07, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
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Awarded to TCO for making Painted turtle GA and FA. Without your excessive edits and hours of dedication this article would be nowhere near as handsome as it is now. Thank you TCO. NYMFan69-86 ( talk) 03:25, 24 January 2011 (UTC) |
Very cool. Thank you so much for the star and for working with me. Big up! TCO ( talk) 03:32, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Good job! I'm impressed by where you brought the article since last time I checked. Nice picture too!
[CharlieEchoTango]
05:18, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
You are the homme! Mon ami! The pic is killer. It's pretty prominent on the BYU website and I actually wrote the special collections director and got it donated with the whole CC-by-SA and all. Then I got a 5Meg image. And I even had it cleaned and worked up by one of the experts at wiki. Took a run at a Featured Picture and it was 4-1 support, but director said I needed 5 supports. Now it is in the queue at DYK. So if I could sneak in there, then pic might still make headlines! ;-) TCO ( talk) 05:30, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
I've uploaded the map onto Wikimedia Commons, file title is "Official Reptile States.svg, let me know if there's anything else I can do to help. :) Miyagawa talk 10:31, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi there,
I'll go through a few points that might help speed you through FL (State Dogs is only my third, so I'm no expert by any means!). One thing that surprised me was that they wanted the "List of" dropped from the title of the article, with the dogs page becoming U.S. state dog breeds. Now I don't think you'll need to make it U.S. state reptile species, but I'd suggest a rename to U.S. state reptile. Second, third and fourth paragraphs need to be referenced.
Regarding the table - they tend to like a separate column for references, so just add an extra one called Ref(s) and move the citations from each line to there. You'll need to remove the sorting function on the image column and the refs column (open up the dogs list and look at the table - in fact feel free just to copy the code to make it easier).
References all look fine, but they'll want the dates all in the same format, and in American format so Month Day Year in whatever style you choose.
Other than that, I think it all looks good. They're likely to ask questions about the prose section at the top - but you won't know what they'll ask until you nominate it. :) Hope it all goes well. 10:06, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
I don't think that it is original research to note things like this about a list. I think OR policy is directed at people who strive to put genuine OR in (like an unpublished Keevil observation) or who make some conclusions that are bigger jumps (like some event in history caused another event...for that you would want a source). Saying things that are mathematically directly in front of us is just normal discussion of the topic. I'm not trying to get anything past anyone, but I think I have thought about this pretty carefully and that an object would be more knee-jerk versus nuanced. I think I'm being encyclopedic. If we take OR too far, then we would have to eliminate all topic sentences in paras (which would be a writing catastrophe). If the observations are helpful content to the reader (like this is how you would write a factual article for a news magazine) then I say to leave it. It really is not me making some conclusion about Israel-Palestine or the like. It is just an "in lede" summary of what is in the article (the list) itself. If it really bugs you, then clip it. but would ask that you reflect on it. I mean...I didn't speculate why people have more turtles (because they're cute, because kids like small animals because they remind them of their own childishness, because they are non-threatening, etc.) I just said 15 of 26 were turtles.
P.s. We might be able to drop in the WV ref into some parts of that blathering, but obviously not for every summary observation.
P.s.s. I think the bigger question is, is it good content (useful, interesting). If you came across that info on the net from whatever site would you find it helpful to have the numerics pointed out, or did I drone on too much. TCO ( talk) 23:14, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
P.s.s.s. What we could do is cut the genera paragraph. I was getting a hard on for doing the analysis. But it's probably less easy for the average person to grasp (or care about) then discusison of species. TCO ( talk) 07:20, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
COOL! I think you would make an excellent reviewer for our list. Wink, wink, hint, hint! ;) TCO ( talk) 19:37, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the invite, but I'm pretty busy with my current project on thatgamecompany and its associated articles. Good luck! -- Pres N 19:17, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi, can you tag this image as to which edition this cover is from Fasach Nua ( talk) 22:59, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
I really have no clue.
Think it came off of this site: http://www.ctrl.org/stover/ (there are some copyright infos in the right, but they just tell you that copyright came to go to the writer.)
Here is a site with a bunch of book covers. You can tell it was not the 1912 version. http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=Owen+Johnson&sortby=1&tn=Stover+at+Yale&x=0&y=0
I tried surfing around and could not find it. I have read it from the library as well and was an old volume but had a yet still different cover. Just donno. TCO ( talk) 23:15, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
I stuck that into the file page. But nothing visual happened. TCO ( talk) 23:45, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
FN, I tried taking the colon out and that did not work. I think speedie will not work when that thing has already been through an AFD (I wasn't part of it, was permabanned, but they kept it. Let's just put in the AFD again...will go learn how to do that.) TCO ( talk) 23:49, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Regards, SunCreator Regards, SunCreator ( talk) 00:45, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
I have a huge favor to ask. I've put some new content into this little article and was wondering if you wouldn't mind giving certain parts if it a ce sweep. Just the description section, distribution and habitat, population features, and the diet subsection. The rest is likely to be revamped beyond recognition these next few days. It would really help me out! NYMFan69-86 ( talk) 01:28, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
This is why I like to have some reviewers who are just learning about the subject of the article. Very helpful indeed. Thank you. You need to sign your review, btw.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 12:45, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
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You have been identified as a valued contributor. In appreciation of your efforts you are hereby presented with the Valued contributor award as a thank you for your time, ability and great effort in improving Wikipedia. Keep up the good work. Go turtle! Regards, SunCreator ( talk) 14:43, 30 January 2011 (UTC) |
Was reading through the Myrrha article and noticed the info about the music. So decided to go check on http://www.bmi.com/search/ then for some reason I did a search for painted turtle and well - I found this. Regards, SunCreator ( talk)
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Go to Commons, go to Flickr upload, go to use the third alternate option for uploading (it is a Magnus tool) and it will (I think prompt you and give you a TUSC). I know I have seen it talked about there, just now, but I may have come across it elsewhere also. I do remember being pissed since I did all this and then it didn't work anyhow. I might look into retrying it, but for some of the methods you don't need it. Sorry, that is my level of understanding. Wehwalt might understand better. TCO ( talk) 20:51, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Hello TCO,
Logged in after a 1 month break, and saw your posts on my talk page. Replying:
Enjoy the remaining 11/12's of the new year. -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 17:37, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
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— HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:02, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. Pretty good considering it ran in the middle of the night on a weekend. Going to see if there is more registered tomorrow, since the overnight and all. Then send a note to Utah.
Hi TCO!
You made good copy-editing comments before, and I would invite you to examine the revised Shapley–Folkman lemma, which I would like to improve for A-status or FA status. (I am unfamiliar with the next steps, but I suspect copy-editing should be prioritized.)
Best regards, Kiefer.Wolfowitz 17:12, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
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I've tried to construct some guidelines to post at the top of the discussion page for the MOS policy. I would appreciate your reaction to them. They are at User:Student7/Sandbox 17. Thanks. Student7 ( talk) 02:32, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
SchuminWeb ( Talk) 04:38, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
Sorry man, I've been so busy lately, probably won't be back on until about Saturday. Keep the ship headed in the right direction, we'll get it waxed and polished in no time. :-) NYMFan69-86 ( talk) 17:46, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
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— HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:03, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
Sorry it took so long to respond. I will try to go down to the museum on Monday with a camera and get the pictures for you. D guz ( talk) 06:35, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
You rock, Spartan! I don't know for sure if the specimen is in collections or is on display (or 100% that they have one, as there is some super-academic database to track fossils and I can't access it), however the former director of the musuem was famed for his fossils of painted turtles, so it boggles my mind that they would not. This is all a little tricky to coordinate with 3 parties, so probably best if you can go over there and just curteously poke into it.
A. Here is the museum website, with hours, location, etc.:
http://museum.msu.edu/ResearchandCollections/DVNH/researchvisits.html
Note they request an advance phone call to get stuff from collections.
B. Michael Gottfried is the curator that I had an email with. Maybe if you refer to him (and that he emailed us on the 28th saying we could stop by to photograph) it helps smooth the way.
http://museum.msu.edu/ResearchandCollections/Profiles/?show_profile=3
C. They have GOT to have this fossil as they mention J. Alan Holman and he was like the MAN in this field. (see herpetology)
http://museum.msu.edu/ResearchandCollections/DVNH/collections.html
D. Am hoping for an image of an intact shell, but will take whatever I can get (random bones, fossil in rock, whatever you can get and makes sense when you are looking at it).
GO TURTLE! TCO ( talk) 07:11, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
One of our friends went bold. What do you say we help him/her out a little with this?-- NYMFan69-86 ( talk) 04:45, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but this is impossible. As far as I know, there is no way for the uploader to choose the preview image...it is simply the frame taken from exactly 50% of the way through the video, much as YouTube used to do with their uploads. To change the image, I would have to cut apart the video, and I'm not comfortable doing something like that to someone else's work. — Huntster ( t @ c) 06:18, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Fallschirmjäger ✉ 19:21, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
If you want to see an unexpectedly interesting article shaping up, take a look at the work I'm doing over at Pipe Dream (musical). Before you wonder, I always do the lede last.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 23:26, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi
I spotted your conversation on MF's page.
Did you mean something like this ? User:Chaosdruid/gallery
Chaosdruid ( talk) 21:19, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
I have what I want in article. Rexx and Jack made it for me. Go look at it under Description! TCO ( talk) 21:42, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Fallschirmjäger ✉ 21:37, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Fallschirmjäger ✉ 23:37, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Is underwhelmed with a response. Could you vote? Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Proposed_MOS_talk_page_standards#Express_consensus_on_inserting_the_above_guidelines_above_in_the_top_of_the_MOS_talk_page. I don't really care which way which is good because otherwise I'd be guilty of something! :) Student7 ( talk) 21:37, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
I am flying out to LA tomorrow and will be staying not far from the turtle bar, but the racing is tonight, alas.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 19:38, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Try File:Turtle racing course.jpg-- Wehwalt ( talk) 14:47, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Fallschirmjäger ✉ 09:10, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi TCO
I've thought about editing the article on List of Metamorphoses characters. I've made a workpage for it: Talk:List of Metamorphoses characters/Table and an example of it (I would like to make it a full table on all of the characters). What do you think? This is my first list so I just need to hear if I'm forgetting something :) (don't worry about sources yet, I'll handle them later). Anything you think I should add, is welcome! (as always) Thanks in advance -- Mottenen ( talk) 00:00, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
PresN, Rexx, are good starts. Look at the FLC and the guy in charge is pretty nice too. Just tell them, you are just starting, not ready for submission OR peer review, but you want a few tips on main things to work on. That'll get it going.
Good Idea, thanks! I've been reamed on every reptile article I've brought to GA or FAC because of cold-blooded being used.-- Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 16:03, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
Hello there. SunCreator added some sources to the butterflies etc., and I made them look like the rest of the citations. What's bothering me is a ref just saying "Herrich-Schäffer, 1852". If you added it, what is it?? Thanks in advance Mottenen ( talk) 18:53, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Talking about me? I'm totally in for FA still, this is getting exciting! It's got to be good now, if there is any justice in the world (comparison Splitting of the moon and Erebus and Fenrir - Myrrha has got more sources AND content than any of them!). Done the most of the interpretation for now, I might add a little bit more but the main things are there. CE is the keyword now I think. Mottenen ( talk) 18:14, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
(Pre-emptive apology if this seems strongly worded or pedantic...we're all just God's chillun, equal Wiki editors, etc. ;-) )
It needs another draft first. You've made great strides. Seriously, not just being nice, it was very clearly "decent" to start with. Was a great topic with lotsa sex and violence. But still very high culture. Actually something I had never heard of before, but when I did and saw all the art and music and literature, I thought I should have! Seriously, perfect topic for the the Project. And your treatment of it was actually pretty polished, maybe even more smooth than a native English speaker (or a sciencey one). Really, I thought it had a nice tempo to it, even a style that I have to work to get, that doesn't come naturally.
And then you pretty readily "upped your game". You've doubled the content including whole new aspects of the topic. You've added many citations and improved formatting of references. Really appreciate you pitching in and doing those strange things (and NYM and Sun for helping you!)
I'm NOT pushing for the Ph.D. Literature theses sweep and etymology primary journal review and the 12 species of insect. (now, we'll see for FA...) It's not just nit-picking, but it's NOT major surgery. We're close. But it's more than just picking little spots of dust off a perfect house setting. Random people coming by and changing a comma or a word is not going to get it to an integrated composition (in some cases, it can actually devolve the thing). That's not to say that more eyes won't find things, just that you need to look at it holistically. And also be a bit of an advocate for the thing if there are stray edits that clash. It's not going to the store to buy new furniture. And I'm not telling you to lug the bed from the basement and put it upstairs. But...we might have a couple chairs that are in the room to room traffic flow paths or lamps that don't cast light on us as we sit in our reading chair...or...you get it (that's part of what I mean by "logic"...org and maybe just I donno "logic"...like if we have three supports for an assertion do they all really support.)
Remember this article is MORE than just a retelling of the myth (although that is a wonderful aspect of it and to YOUR credit and love of story that you brought it to the the rest of us), but also more of an "in the real world" discussion of the topic.
The Biblican myrrh and functionality of myrrh, really fits since it's under that etymology para and we even said that, previously that the girl and the substance have been linked in their origins (even get the impression the myth may have come from the substance, not visa versa). Would maybe just rewrite the Bible para though, to put the Old Testament stuff first in the para (can still mention the Gospel of Matthew reference, OK, sure, definitely, but the OT is more connected to Origins and to Semetic etymology of the word. So just kind of dress that up a little so it seems to fit even better in it's new home.
We should add the dates of myth versions (it's in your head anyhow), so make it clear. If you can source a negative statement that it's not known how the different classical versions affected each other, all for the better. But if not, at least what ever we have on timing and "real world reception". Ovid was a literary sensation even in antiquity! A short contextual para at the top of Ovid ("famed in ancient times and most translated Latin work over the ages, Ovid's version of Myrrha is the one that has carried to our day and influenced other artists... blabla...") as well as a *dates and relationships and physical locations* para for the non-core versions, at the top of THAT section.
Interpretation needs a bit more somehow to make it translate to some "nutshell" graspability. I struggled to summarize a sentence for the lead (and it's not there yet). You've got some decent facts in the section. But I was hoping for something a little more towards: A beleives X, B beleives Y, C believes Z. Or even: A believes X, B argues "not X". It may not be simple to make some "pat" theme like that. But let's take a strain and see what we can squeeze out. It helps the reader. {A small thing, but it looked like you had a couple of points on "within mythology" interpretations. SAme topic and same reference (22). Let's group them, one after the other, instead of scattering them with other stuff in between.) I'm still hoping for something like "mythology scholars see the myth in a context of...I guess...the other myths...or petulant Aphrodite (she was a baddie, wasn't she) or some-pin; Freudians see Myrrha as not getting enough village-boy sex, so that turned her into an incest sex monster; the Marxist feminists see the story as evil men not letting women speak (the silent tree); the Guardian says the sheer stomach-churning fucked-upedness of Myrrha date-raping her dad is what makes the myth the best incest story EVAH!
Oh...and shifting from logic and org, some of the word choice (e.g. "the fact that") and prose (little more windy, passive voice and nominalization), needs cleaning up to get back to the "early Mottenen period" polishedness.
I recommend you or "we" clean up the storyline and prose aspects as much as possible on our own first. We can still get copy editor in here after, but it will be with a closer solution. Or probably at that point, it's ready for GAR and we get Malleus or Wehwalt to handle it. They're great writers, willing to upgrade and not just criticize, and all literary and all.
TCO ( talk) 22:03, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Okay, but if this is just GA, I can hardly imagine how much FA requires. Anyway, would you do me a favor and set up an archiver or something on Myrrha's talk page? Unless I should delete the out-debated topics (of a total of 60 topics)... Thanks anyway in advance Mottenen ( talk) 19:04, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
Hello, I found out that Dante compares Florence with Myrrha in one of his letters. It seems like a funny fact, but is it relevant and more important: where to add it - literature (under the Divine Comedy)? Thanks Mottenen ( talk) 19:09, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Remade the intro to him - shorter, more precise - and cut down the quote. Is it good enough now? Don't worry about the interpreting parts - I'll add them later under interpretation when I make the next big edit there. -- Mottenen ( talk) 22:38, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi somebody is editing my refs (all of them) on Myrrha - what is he doing, is it necessary?? Mottenen ( talk) 22:33, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
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No sweat. I agree everyone does not need to be Wehwalt or Charles Matthews. We will never get enough like that. I do think some harder checking of the box, even just to experience it, is useful for the individual and the community and sends a needed message about content and prose, that will lead to improvement. Look at the average person who has gotten somthing to GA or FA. they're NOT some super-Wehwalt, but at least have been in the wars. The value is that as they apply policies and such, they have some real thought about how to make this place better (it is pretty bad in some aspects of quality and could really be upgraded in quality...not to perfection, but better). And this has nothing to do with not banning Malleus when he acts up or letting me be a troll or the like. You will still ahve some prima donnas that need to be disciplined. But even on that front, less. And again, that's really far from my concern. TCO ( talk) 05:58, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
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Howdy TCO! I think the correct protocol for this situation is to wait until the Featured Picture Nomination is concluded. Once it is over, if the cleaned-up version is promoted or neither version is promoted, you can switch out the images in each of the articles so that the cleaned version is used instead. If somehow the non-cleaned version wins, you'll need to leave that one in the articles. Either way, you should leave both versions as separate files on Commons (in case someone needs the original version for some reason). Hope that makes sense. Good luck! Kaldari ( talk) 06:40, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
No problem. I enjoy randomly coming across images and cleaning up their descriptions, especially after an image has been transferred from one of the projects to Commons. CommonsHelper is great, but it leaves a mess. Btw, I've also applied the same template to the cleaned-up image description, with proper attribution to the modifier. Thanks for pointing that out. — Huntster ( t @ c) 07:26, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Why isn't your name under "Nominator(s)" on the FAC review page any more?-- NYMFan69-86 ( talk) 05:44, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for the response. First, with the title, current consensus has it to keep it as two words, because it is the official title of the film. The title has been discussed in the talk archives of the article, and the latest FAC. With structure, it's just following the WP:MOSFILM style guide to keep it consistent. The themes section, it is a difficult one, yes, but with the length of the article, I am looking into creating a seperate article altogether which goes into further detail. It's an important section, but that issue wasn't really the focus of any of the FAC's. But let's see what we can do. I should probably put this article up at Peer review, where more people can comment on it from there. Thanks, -- TÆRkast ( Communicate) 18:32, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
I feel ya man!
The lead is not bad. You do have 4 paras allowed, so could add a bit more, or perhaps just use the "break" if there is a thought you want to split. First para seemed just a tad rough for me (and it should shine). I would probably completely cull the cast list (they're obscure names and you pretty much have to blue link them as names, but then you get one of those blue mashes that really slow the reader down. I think if you just say "rookie cast" or some words to that effect (like you have in the article) that's actually more relevant information than the list of names that no one has heard of. Plus they are all in the info box, a little to the right. I would do different if the names were recognizable or special somehow to the end result. Half a loaf would be to move them down to second lead para at least. They really are just kinda "details" that are getting too much prominence now. I think there was one sentence in the lead, middle of first para, that gave me a "huh" factor, because it had like three clauses in it and too many separate thoughts. That's an easy fix though.
Like I said, I think the way to deal with the themes is to finesse it a bit. You can leave the content, but move it down in promince, put it after the film critic stuff. It's just not strong enough to go in the front, plus in some ways it's really just another aspect of what the film critics said (violence against females and nihilism, are more sophisticated sure, but are followons from the thing being just...violent!)
I'm about 97% sure that this will make your article better for a reader, regardless of policy. But we'll get some clarity on the whole "follow the template" thing before I move all the furniture!
Would you agree with my take that the "story" of TCSM is that it was an ugly duckling (no budget, by unknown people) that struggled to get released, struggled to get past the censors, and then ended up making a lot of money, getting a lot of sequels, becoming a term that is on everyone's lips (even those like me who have never seen the film)? TCO ( talk) 19:29, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
Let me ask a few people that I respect (maybe Wehwalt, he has a play in there now, so he can advise on this template format thing and if he agrees with my take on the org). Maybe one way to keep it more your baby, would be if I just give you a murderous review and then you can do all the changes yourself. Otherwise if you let the baby in my hands, there will be all kinds of body parts moving around. (get it, haha, fits with the movie). Like on Painted turtle, I did a pretty major rewrite. They were cool with it and appreciated it, but personally I would hate it if someone did that to one of "my" articles. TCO ( talk) 20:21, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
I'll give it a readthrough and just a list of thoughts over at your user page. You can share it with those fellows. BTW, I (just now), read through the MOSFILM guide. It says right in there that if "themes" belongs better in crit reception, you can put it there. It does, for this film. Also, I see that they require you to put the cast in first para. But given the "who cares" natures of the actors, I would just call out the girl and Leatherface actor (in the lead) and have some comment about the rookie cast and all. That should cover you and actually gives more relevant info. Some other quick things I noticed (need to reread but just jotting down): seemed like you misuse the word post-production for commercial activities related to finding a distributor (not film editing as word is commonly used and as MOSFILM does); Also, I didn't see the rotten tomatoes and such (although might have missed it). TCO ( talk) 20:42, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi yes I can have a look at that and will probably add more to those available as well. Sorry for delay had no internet for a week, hence my absence. Faendalimas ( talk) 14:37, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
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Let me handle all the comments left by Casliber. She may/may not remember me from a while ago and you've been doing more then your fair share of the work. NYMFan69-86 ( talk) 00:00, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the offer, it is greatly appreciated. I will take any offered with much gratitude. -- Jeremy ( blah blah • I did it!) 23:23, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
Sorry about your photo, I thought it had featured written all over it.-- NYMFan69-86 ( talk) 02:27, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi there. I just wanted to let you know that I closed the William W. Tanner nomination as "not promoted" because it did not have the requisite amount of support. You're welcome to re-nominate it in the future to see if it attracts more attention. If you choose to do so, I'd recommend waiting around a month to avoid any complaints of "we just voted on this." I'd also like to welcome you to FPC. We're always happy to see new contributors, whether they're uploading, nominating, or just reviewing. I hope to see you around more in the future. Cheers, Makeemlighter ( talk) 02:28, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
[1]. I wasn't sure how we were going to do this. :-) NYMFan69-86 ( talk) 22:05, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
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— HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:04, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
Hey, got your message yes I can try get some articles to GA, been trying to get rid of red links. Anyways I am happy to do Chelidae and Testudinidae and will also work on some of the common species of Chelids eg Chelodina longicollis, I would also like to do some of the species I actually named such as Elseya albagula, Chelodina burrungandjii and Chelodina canni. Any other suggestions feel free. Faendalimas ( talk) 16:13, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
We got FA!!!!! NYMFan69-86 ( talk) 03:01, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Congratulations are definitely in order. You two stuck to it like glue, even though TCO did appear to be close to throwing a wobbly at one stage. But you've now got a template for many more turtle articles, so go turtles!. :-) Malleus Fatuorum 03:07, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
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Awarded to TCO for making Painted turtle GA and FA. Without your excessive edits and hours of dedication this article would be nowhere near as handsome as it is now. Thank you TCO. NYMFan69-86 ( talk) 03:25, 24 January 2011 (UTC) |
Very cool. Thank you so much for the star and for working with me. Big up! TCO ( talk) 03:32, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Good job! I'm impressed by where you brought the article since last time I checked. Nice picture too!
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05:18, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
You are the homme! Mon ami! The pic is killer. It's pretty prominent on the BYU website and I actually wrote the special collections director and got it donated with the whole CC-by-SA and all. Then I got a 5Meg image. And I even had it cleaned and worked up by one of the experts at wiki. Took a run at a Featured Picture and it was 4-1 support, but director said I needed 5 supports. Now it is in the queue at DYK. So if I could sneak in there, then pic might still make headlines! ;-) TCO ( talk) 05:30, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
I've uploaded the map onto Wikimedia Commons, file title is "Official Reptile States.svg, let me know if there's anything else I can do to help. :) Miyagawa talk 10:31, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi there,
I'll go through a few points that might help speed you through FL (State Dogs is only my third, so I'm no expert by any means!). One thing that surprised me was that they wanted the "List of" dropped from the title of the article, with the dogs page becoming U.S. state dog breeds. Now I don't think you'll need to make it U.S. state reptile species, but I'd suggest a rename to U.S. state reptile. Second, third and fourth paragraphs need to be referenced.
Regarding the table - they tend to like a separate column for references, so just add an extra one called Ref(s) and move the citations from each line to there. You'll need to remove the sorting function on the image column and the refs column (open up the dogs list and look at the table - in fact feel free just to copy the code to make it easier).
References all look fine, but they'll want the dates all in the same format, and in American format so Month Day Year in whatever style you choose.
Other than that, I think it all looks good. They're likely to ask questions about the prose section at the top - but you won't know what they'll ask until you nominate it. :) Hope it all goes well. 10:06, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
I don't think that it is original research to note things like this about a list. I think OR policy is directed at people who strive to put genuine OR in (like an unpublished Keevil observation) or who make some conclusions that are bigger jumps (like some event in history caused another event...for that you would want a source). Saying things that are mathematically directly in front of us is just normal discussion of the topic. I'm not trying to get anything past anyone, but I think I have thought about this pretty carefully and that an object would be more knee-jerk versus nuanced. I think I'm being encyclopedic. If we take OR too far, then we would have to eliminate all topic sentences in paras (which would be a writing catastrophe). If the observations are helpful content to the reader (like this is how you would write a factual article for a news magazine) then I say to leave it. It really is not me making some conclusion about Israel-Palestine or the like. It is just an "in lede" summary of what is in the article (the list) itself. If it really bugs you, then clip it. but would ask that you reflect on it. I mean...I didn't speculate why people have more turtles (because they're cute, because kids like small animals because they remind them of their own childishness, because they are non-threatening, etc.) I just said 15 of 26 were turtles.
P.s. We might be able to drop in the WV ref into some parts of that blathering, but obviously not for every summary observation.
P.s.s. I think the bigger question is, is it good content (useful, interesting). If you came across that info on the net from whatever site would you find it helpful to have the numerics pointed out, or did I drone on too much. TCO ( talk) 23:14, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
P.s.s.s. What we could do is cut the genera paragraph. I was getting a hard on for doing the analysis. But it's probably less easy for the average person to grasp (or care about) then discusison of species. TCO ( talk) 07:20, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
COOL! I think you would make an excellent reviewer for our list. Wink, wink, hint, hint! ;) TCO ( talk) 19:37, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the invite, but I'm pretty busy with my current project on thatgamecompany and its associated articles. Good luck! -- Pres N 19:17, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi, can you tag this image as to which edition this cover is from Fasach Nua ( talk) 22:59, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
I really have no clue.
Think it came off of this site: http://www.ctrl.org/stover/ (there are some copyright infos in the right, but they just tell you that copyright came to go to the writer.)
Here is a site with a bunch of book covers. You can tell it was not the 1912 version. http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=Owen+Johnson&sortby=1&tn=Stover+at+Yale&x=0&y=0
I tried surfing around and could not find it. I have read it from the library as well and was an old volume but had a yet still different cover. Just donno. TCO ( talk) 23:15, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
I stuck that into the file page. But nothing visual happened. TCO ( talk) 23:45, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
FN, I tried taking the colon out and that did not work. I think speedie will not work when that thing has already been through an AFD (I wasn't part of it, was permabanned, but they kept it. Let's just put in the AFD again...will go learn how to do that.) TCO ( talk) 23:49, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Regards, SunCreator Regards, SunCreator ( talk) 00:45, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
I have a huge favor to ask. I've put some new content into this little article and was wondering if you wouldn't mind giving certain parts if it a ce sweep. Just the description section, distribution and habitat, population features, and the diet subsection. The rest is likely to be revamped beyond recognition these next few days. It would really help me out! NYMFan69-86 ( talk) 01:28, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
This is why I like to have some reviewers who are just learning about the subject of the article. Very helpful indeed. Thank you. You need to sign your review, btw.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 12:45, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
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Was reading through the Myrrha article and noticed the info about the music. So decided to go check on http://www.bmi.com/search/ then for some reason I did a search for painted turtle and well - I found this. Regards, SunCreator ( talk)
d190d4005b037388332cc4d0c4d98e9f
Go to Commons, go to Flickr upload, go to use the third alternate option for uploading (it is a Magnus tool) and it will (I think prompt you and give you a TUSC). I know I have seen it talked about there, just now, but I may have come across it elsewhere also. I do remember being pissed since I did all this and then it didn't work anyhow. I might look into retrying it, but for some of the methods you don't need it. Sorry, that is my level of understanding. Wehwalt might understand better. TCO ( talk) 20:51, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Hello TCO,
Logged in after a 1 month break, and saw your posts on my talk page. Replying:
Enjoy the remaining 11/12's of the new year. -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 17:37, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
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— HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:02, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. Pretty good considering it ran in the middle of the night on a weekend. Going to see if there is more registered tomorrow, since the overnight and all. Then send a note to Utah.
Hi TCO!
You made good copy-editing comments before, and I would invite you to examine the revised Shapley–Folkman lemma, which I would like to improve for A-status or FA status. (I am unfamiliar with the next steps, but I suspect copy-editing should be prioritized.)
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I've tried to construct some guidelines to post at the top of the discussion page for the MOS policy. I would appreciate your reaction to them. They are at User:Student7/Sandbox 17. Thanks. Student7 ( talk) 02:32, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
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Sorry man, I've been so busy lately, probably won't be back on until about Saturday. Keep the ship headed in the right direction, we'll get it waxed and polished in no time. :-) NYMFan69-86 ( talk) 17:46, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
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— HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:03, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
Sorry it took so long to respond. I will try to go down to the museum on Monday with a camera and get the pictures for you. D guz ( talk) 06:35, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
You rock, Spartan! I don't know for sure if the specimen is in collections or is on display (or 100% that they have one, as there is some super-academic database to track fossils and I can't access it), however the former director of the musuem was famed for his fossils of painted turtles, so it boggles my mind that they would not. This is all a little tricky to coordinate with 3 parties, so probably best if you can go over there and just curteously poke into it.
A. Here is the museum website, with hours, location, etc.:
http://museum.msu.edu/ResearchandCollections/DVNH/researchvisits.html
Note they request an advance phone call to get stuff from collections.
B. Michael Gottfried is the curator that I had an email with. Maybe if you refer to him (and that he emailed us on the 28th saying we could stop by to photograph) it helps smooth the way.
http://museum.msu.edu/ResearchandCollections/Profiles/?show_profile=3
C. They have GOT to have this fossil as they mention J. Alan Holman and he was like the MAN in this field. (see herpetology)
http://museum.msu.edu/ResearchandCollections/DVNH/collections.html
D. Am hoping for an image of an intact shell, but will take whatever I can get (random bones, fossil in rock, whatever you can get and makes sense when you are looking at it).
GO TURTLE! TCO ( talk) 07:11, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
One of our friends went bold. What do you say we help him/her out a little with this?-- NYMFan69-86 ( talk) 04:45, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but this is impossible. As far as I know, there is no way for the uploader to choose the preview image...it is simply the frame taken from exactly 50% of the way through the video, much as YouTube used to do with their uploads. To change the image, I would have to cut apart the video, and I'm not comfortable doing something like that to someone else's work. — Huntster ( t @ c) 06:18, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Fallschirmjäger ✉ 19:21, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
If you want to see an unexpectedly interesting article shaping up, take a look at the work I'm doing over at Pipe Dream (musical). Before you wonder, I always do the lede last.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 23:26, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi
I spotted your conversation on MF's page.
Did you mean something like this ? User:Chaosdruid/gallery
Chaosdruid ( talk) 21:19, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
I have what I want in article. Rexx and Jack made it for me. Go look at it under Description! TCO ( talk) 21:42, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Fallschirmjäger ✉ 21:37, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Fallschirmjäger ✉ 23:37, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Is underwhelmed with a response. Could you vote? Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Proposed_MOS_talk_page_standards#Express_consensus_on_inserting_the_above_guidelines_above_in_the_top_of_the_MOS_talk_page. I don't really care which way which is good because otherwise I'd be guilty of something! :) Student7 ( talk) 21:37, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
I am flying out to LA tomorrow and will be staying not far from the turtle bar, but the racing is tonight, alas.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 19:38, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Try File:Turtle racing course.jpg-- Wehwalt ( talk) 14:47, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Fallschirmjäger ✉ 09:10, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi TCO
I've thought about editing the article on List of Metamorphoses characters. I've made a workpage for it: Talk:List of Metamorphoses characters/Table and an example of it (I would like to make it a full table on all of the characters). What do you think? This is my first list so I just need to hear if I'm forgetting something :) (don't worry about sources yet, I'll handle them later). Anything you think I should add, is welcome! (as always) Thanks in advance -- Mottenen ( talk) 00:00, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
PresN, Rexx, are good starts. Look at the FLC and the guy in charge is pretty nice too. Just tell them, you are just starting, not ready for submission OR peer review, but you want a few tips on main things to work on. That'll get it going.
Good Idea, thanks! I've been reamed on every reptile article I've brought to GA or FAC because of cold-blooded being used.-- Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 16:03, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
Hello there. SunCreator added some sources to the butterflies etc., and I made them look like the rest of the citations. What's bothering me is a ref just saying "Herrich-Schäffer, 1852". If you added it, what is it?? Thanks in advance Mottenen ( talk) 18:53, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Talking about me? I'm totally in for FA still, this is getting exciting! It's got to be good now, if there is any justice in the world (comparison Splitting of the moon and Erebus and Fenrir - Myrrha has got more sources AND content than any of them!). Done the most of the interpretation for now, I might add a little bit more but the main things are there. CE is the keyword now I think. Mottenen ( talk) 18:14, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
(Pre-emptive apology if this seems strongly worded or pedantic...we're all just God's chillun, equal Wiki editors, etc. ;-) )
It needs another draft first. You've made great strides. Seriously, not just being nice, it was very clearly "decent" to start with. Was a great topic with lotsa sex and violence. But still very high culture. Actually something I had never heard of before, but when I did and saw all the art and music and literature, I thought I should have! Seriously, perfect topic for the the Project. And your treatment of it was actually pretty polished, maybe even more smooth than a native English speaker (or a sciencey one). Really, I thought it had a nice tempo to it, even a style that I have to work to get, that doesn't come naturally.
And then you pretty readily "upped your game". You've doubled the content including whole new aspects of the topic. You've added many citations and improved formatting of references. Really appreciate you pitching in and doing those strange things (and NYM and Sun for helping you!)
I'm NOT pushing for the Ph.D. Literature theses sweep and etymology primary journal review and the 12 species of insect. (now, we'll see for FA...) It's not just nit-picking, but it's NOT major surgery. We're close. But it's more than just picking little spots of dust off a perfect house setting. Random people coming by and changing a comma or a word is not going to get it to an integrated composition (in some cases, it can actually devolve the thing). That's not to say that more eyes won't find things, just that you need to look at it holistically. And also be a bit of an advocate for the thing if there are stray edits that clash. It's not going to the store to buy new furniture. And I'm not telling you to lug the bed from the basement and put it upstairs. But...we might have a couple chairs that are in the room to room traffic flow paths or lamps that don't cast light on us as we sit in our reading chair...or...you get it (that's part of what I mean by "logic"...org and maybe just I donno "logic"...like if we have three supports for an assertion do they all really support.)
Remember this article is MORE than just a retelling of the myth (although that is a wonderful aspect of it and to YOUR credit and love of story that you brought it to the the rest of us), but also more of an "in the real world" discussion of the topic.
The Biblican myrrh and functionality of myrrh, really fits since it's under that etymology para and we even said that, previously that the girl and the substance have been linked in their origins (even get the impression the myth may have come from the substance, not visa versa). Would maybe just rewrite the Bible para though, to put the Old Testament stuff first in the para (can still mention the Gospel of Matthew reference, OK, sure, definitely, but the OT is more connected to Origins and to Semetic etymology of the word. So just kind of dress that up a little so it seems to fit even better in it's new home.
We should add the dates of myth versions (it's in your head anyhow), so make it clear. If you can source a negative statement that it's not known how the different classical versions affected each other, all for the better. But if not, at least what ever we have on timing and "real world reception". Ovid was a literary sensation even in antiquity! A short contextual para at the top of Ovid ("famed in ancient times and most translated Latin work over the ages, Ovid's version of Myrrha is the one that has carried to our day and influenced other artists... blabla...") as well as a *dates and relationships and physical locations* para for the non-core versions, at the top of THAT section.
Interpretation needs a bit more somehow to make it translate to some "nutshell" graspability. I struggled to summarize a sentence for the lead (and it's not there yet). You've got some decent facts in the section. But I was hoping for something a little more towards: A beleives X, B beleives Y, C believes Z. Or even: A believes X, B argues "not X". It may not be simple to make some "pat" theme like that. But let's take a strain and see what we can squeeze out. It helps the reader. {A small thing, but it looked like you had a couple of points on "within mythology" interpretations. SAme topic and same reference (22). Let's group them, one after the other, instead of scattering them with other stuff in between.) I'm still hoping for something like "mythology scholars see the myth in a context of...I guess...the other myths...or petulant Aphrodite (she was a baddie, wasn't she) or some-pin; Freudians see Myrrha as not getting enough village-boy sex, so that turned her into an incest sex monster; the Marxist feminists see the story as evil men not letting women speak (the silent tree); the Guardian says the sheer stomach-churning fucked-upedness of Myrrha date-raping her dad is what makes the myth the best incest story EVAH!
Oh...and shifting from logic and org, some of the word choice (e.g. "the fact that") and prose (little more windy, passive voice and nominalization), needs cleaning up to get back to the "early Mottenen period" polishedness.
I recommend you or "we" clean up the storyline and prose aspects as much as possible on our own first. We can still get copy editor in here after, but it will be with a closer solution. Or probably at that point, it's ready for GAR and we get Malleus or Wehwalt to handle it. They're great writers, willing to upgrade and not just criticize, and all literary and all.
TCO ( talk) 22:03, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Okay, but if this is just GA, I can hardly imagine how much FA requires. Anyway, would you do me a favor and set up an archiver or something on Myrrha's talk page? Unless I should delete the out-debated topics (of a total of 60 topics)... Thanks anyway in advance Mottenen ( talk) 19:04, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
Hello, I found out that Dante compares Florence with Myrrha in one of his letters. It seems like a funny fact, but is it relevant and more important: where to add it - literature (under the Divine Comedy)? Thanks Mottenen ( talk) 19:09, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Remade the intro to him - shorter, more precise - and cut down the quote. Is it good enough now? Don't worry about the interpreting parts - I'll add them later under interpretation when I make the next big edit there. -- Mottenen ( talk) 22:38, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi somebody is editing my refs (all of them) on Myrrha - what is he doing, is it necessary?? Mottenen ( talk) 22:33, 16 February 2011 (UTC)