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Just an FYI, when you respond to an edit request, make sure you flag it as answered, otherwise it will still show up as a request that is pending. Sir Joseph (talk) 13:39, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request : Hi, I think I have met your requests for: "These need reliable secondary sources, showing they are notable examples." on the Jeffrey Dahmer Page (Media -> Music) : Talk:Jeffrey_Dahmer
could you please have a look? thanks in advance. H8eternal ( talk) 08:12, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
The Merriam-Webster page for "fellows" was coincidentally up on my screen before you posted the link. So was the Oxford English page for "fellows". How was it used? IMO, only the user knows.
As for me, I try to shy away from using certain polysemic words in order to avoid any allegation that I intended gender cache instead of the epicene sense of a word. After so many arguments in which the speaker and audience each claim the higher ground, I'd rather err on the side of caution. It's not always so easy.
E.g., a colleague once humorously called another a "fop." I knew that word solely in its archaic sense of "numbskull, nitwit, screwball, etc., but the retort was, "Please don't genderize me!" My reaction was, "Huh?" So, I had to look it up. To this day I wonder what minority of people know what "fop" means at all, how many people know its morphology, and who should rightfully assume that Person A is so knowledgeable about arcane vocabulary as to intentionally genderize Person B with such a throwback word?
Anyway, was the intent "fellow" or "fellow"? One thing I know for sure: When Editor A gets wrung out for an ANI after intending formality by referring to Editor B as "my fellow colleague" rather than "they," I most definitely am not going to post anything on either side. -- Kent Dominic·(talk) 03:38, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
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As someone who gets it apparently, are you surprised to see that the evidence in this case is pretty micro stuff? Perhaps people think it is redundant to statements or otherwise or doesn't need saying, but if ever there was a case for a few simple factual statements about the relevant Wikipedia policies to be entered as evidence so that they might inform the later stages, this is it. From what I've seen, from their own publicity this group has already shown they are incompatible with the core Wikipedia policies surrounding transparency, advocacy and harassment. To the point it is quite remarkable to think they have been allowed to operate for this long at all, since while their membership list and activities are secret, their existence, methods and purposes, certainly hasn't been. I admire certain people's efforts to argue this group is somehow legitimate, but in all honesty, they might as well be wearing a sign saying they are a member (or otherwise have no idea clue what Wikipedia even is), and the submitting of some high level policy descriptive evidence should show that pretty well. Critter73P ( talk) 19:34, 24 January 2022 (UTC) — Critter73P ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
Joke What do you make of the theory doing the rounds on the interwebz that you and El C are not actually arc-enemies? That pretty much everyone involved, including Jehochman, are playing assigned roles? That it's not really about animosity, it's the exact opposite. That these interactions will, once the script has been followed, result in some official rubber stamp for any and all radishes that wish to take advantage of the freedom to collaborate in the shadows so they can better combat their perceived enemies? That this was always the inevitable outcome once the Wikipedians realized that assuming bad faith puts them at a natural disadvantage when arrayed against people who come here for the right reasons. It's pretty out there, but like all good conspiracy theories, there are some strange aspects of it that otherwise defy a more rational explanation. Not sure I can say more without getting trouted. A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Please ping me! 10:30, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi , there you left a message on my talk page about adding DOB matters ... Can you explain me more about adding source on DOB ??? Truedboner ( talk) 15:09, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia includes full names and dates of birth that have been widely published by reliable sources, or by sources linked to the subject such that it may reasonably be inferred that the subject does not object to the details being made public.ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 15:11, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
hi Aojconnor ( talk) 13:09, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
I am glad you were reasonable in the last discussion. I am thinking I should have reviewed that article better. However I have to admit I saw that she was born in Hong Kong, clearly British, and focused mainly on the first two lines. I did not notice the third line and am sorry about that. Do you think it would help if I reverted the edit? John Pack Lambert ( talk) 17:09, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
I don't know if fits the bill
was intentional, but I enjoyed it all the same.
BilledMammal (
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Hi, if I deleted the AfD notice, it was a mistake. I am currently trying to edit the article to fix the concerns identified on the BLP noticeboard, and would be grateful if you could give me a bit of time to do that, as I don't want to get into an edit war. I believe I can address all the concerns that people had. Thanks! Ephesians511 ( talk) 16:44, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
Thanks, however, WP:BLPRESTORE says If it is to be restored without significant change, consensus must be obtained first. Material that has been repaired to address concerns should be judged on a case-by-case basis. I did make "significant change" to address the concerns, in particular by making it clear that the subject hadn't been charged / convicted of a crime. Also, in the reference for the independent review, I included a quote to make it clear that the reviewers had found the subject had been engaged in "a range of harmful behaviours". So I think I fully addressed these concerns and I was justified in making the edit. Please, let's discuss on the BLP noticeboard now. Ephesians511 ( talk) 17:04, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
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These movies (101 problems 9f Hercules and the others were all first aired on wonderful world of Disney ABC which you can already find on Wikipedia page but then we're adapted to vhs, I can send you those vhs as your proof also can find these movies on Disney's website thanks 166.182.86.70 ( talk) 14:31, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
Dear ScottishFinnishRadish,
Thank you for your help with editing Joao Vale e Azevedo's profile.
I have a question, in order to be clearer regarding page modifications, why can't font No. 12 of the profile be canceled or replaced, which is the following: https://www.slbenfica.pt/404?
This source does not contribute useful information to the profile, because it was canceled. In the same way, should it be kept in the profile? What can be done to eliminate or replace it?
Thanks a lot, Nathalia Nathalia Rodríguez R ( talk) 17:30, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your help.
Does that mean that even when the source of the news or information has canceled the page, the link will not be removed? I ask because the profile uses those links to support the written information.
If those links are no longer available, how is the information that is written justified?
Thank you very much for your help, again. Nathalia Rodríguez R ( talk) 19:09, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
Okay. Doesn't the 404 error, which is the page cancelled, mean that the content no longer exists? I ask because I tried to find another source where the content that existed there could be hosted and I can't find it. Nathalia Rodríguez R ( talk) 20:05, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
ScottishFinnishRadish, please be aware that the article about João Vale e Azevedo has been the target of WP:ADVOCACY multiple times. SLBedit ( talk) 19:00, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
I am the director of A Night at Switch n' Play and am asking for corrections to errors on the page. I am following the guidelines based in this wikipedia contact page ( /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Contact_us/Article_subjects)
I am asking for the identities and pronouns of the performers to be corrected. There's a lack of neutral and straightforward language that misrepresents living people based on a poorly sourced material (as outlined in this Wikpedia page /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Remove_contentious_material_that_is_unsourced_or_poorly_sourced).
The Queer Guru source that is cited for the cast descriptions contains a number of original interpretations or descriptions of the performers that can be considered offensive, and these descriptions are also reproduced word-for-word. This source's descriptions are not accurate and misinterpret the characterizations offered in the film. The language in this article regarding the cast's description is transphobic, defamatory and contentious.
As stated in Wikipedia's "Reliable Sources Section": contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced should be removed immediately and without discussion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.165.95.186 ( talk) 21:52, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
This is a more reliable source with neutral language [1] - the summary of the cast's descriptions are as follows: Divina [Brooklyn-based drag and burlesque artist], “femmecee” Miss Malice, trans drag king K.James, drag/burlesque “queerdo” Nyx Nocturne, drag artist Pearl Harbor, nonbinary drag king Vigor Mortis, and snake charmer-stage kitten Zoe Ziegfeld Crs363 ( talk) 19:28, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
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You should make more edits and make more pages about books, countries, foods, locals, televisions etc. But i think it will be perfect
Why is Pups Alone still not a standalone article? Explain yourself. El_C 13:40, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
Tall Girl 2 has been released today. You're welcome! El_C 16:14, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
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Nice. ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 14:15, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
A new Puppy Bowl! (XVIII). And a movie called Cosmic Dawn (crankedupfilms.com/cosmicdawn) that doesn't star Bruce Willis? You've heard it here 1st! El_C 18:20, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
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I'd support you, obviously, this should be relisted at the very least. Although maybe ask the closer first to revert themselves and relist, skipping the delrev is possible? Ping User:Scottywong. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:07, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for the minor support in reverting that guy’s edits about me… I’m sorry about him being a nusiance but I wanted to thank you. Aardwolf68 ( talk) 17:35, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
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Yeah, I know. My general beef isn't with you, or with other editors answering edit requests with less-than-ideal canned responses. It's with our general response to edit requests. It's just so counterproductive to welcoming new users in. I've tried to discuss it. The last time, the discussion just ended up archived. Multiple editors think this is an issue. Why are we having such a hard time fixing this? valereee ( talk) 00:41, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
I've been dealing with GNIS rubbish for so long that when I see an article that begins "X is a residential area" I immediately think of the standard Wikipedia information-free cop-out "unincorporated community". There do seem to be a fair few "Kinnoull something" things that are or were there, from Kinnoull Manse through Kinnoull Cottage to Kinnoull Primary School and Kinnoull Hill. It would be nice if Wikipedia explained that it was a parish. Then it might make sense.
Our article is sourced to the bowling club's WWW site.
Uncle G ( talk) 22:49, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
You call the truth a “disruptive edit.” CovidHoax ( talk) 12:57, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
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Just an FYI, when you respond to an edit request, make sure you flag it as answered, otherwise it will still show up as a request that is pending. Sir Joseph (talk) 13:39, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request : Hi, I think I have met your requests for: "These need reliable secondary sources, showing they are notable examples." on the Jeffrey Dahmer Page (Media -> Music) : Talk:Jeffrey_Dahmer
could you please have a look? thanks in advance. H8eternal ( talk) 08:12, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
The Merriam-Webster page for "fellows" was coincidentally up on my screen before you posted the link. So was the Oxford English page for "fellows". How was it used? IMO, only the user knows.
As for me, I try to shy away from using certain polysemic words in order to avoid any allegation that I intended gender cache instead of the epicene sense of a word. After so many arguments in which the speaker and audience each claim the higher ground, I'd rather err on the side of caution. It's not always so easy.
E.g., a colleague once humorously called another a "fop." I knew that word solely in its archaic sense of "numbskull, nitwit, screwball, etc., but the retort was, "Please don't genderize me!" My reaction was, "Huh?" So, I had to look it up. To this day I wonder what minority of people know what "fop" means at all, how many people know its morphology, and who should rightfully assume that Person A is so knowledgeable about arcane vocabulary as to intentionally genderize Person B with such a throwback word?
Anyway, was the intent "fellow" or "fellow"? One thing I know for sure: When Editor A gets wrung out for an ANI after intending formality by referring to Editor B as "my fellow colleague" rather than "they," I most definitely am not going to post anything on either side. -- Kent Dominic·(talk) 03:38, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
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As someone who gets it apparently, are you surprised to see that the evidence in this case is pretty micro stuff? Perhaps people think it is redundant to statements or otherwise or doesn't need saying, but if ever there was a case for a few simple factual statements about the relevant Wikipedia policies to be entered as evidence so that they might inform the later stages, this is it. From what I've seen, from their own publicity this group has already shown they are incompatible with the core Wikipedia policies surrounding transparency, advocacy and harassment. To the point it is quite remarkable to think they have been allowed to operate for this long at all, since while their membership list and activities are secret, their existence, methods and purposes, certainly hasn't been. I admire certain people's efforts to argue this group is somehow legitimate, but in all honesty, they might as well be wearing a sign saying they are a member (or otherwise have no idea clue what Wikipedia even is), and the submitting of some high level policy descriptive evidence should show that pretty well. Critter73P ( talk) 19:34, 24 January 2022 (UTC) — Critter73P ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
Joke What do you make of the theory doing the rounds on the interwebz that you and El C are not actually arc-enemies? That pretty much everyone involved, including Jehochman, are playing assigned roles? That it's not really about animosity, it's the exact opposite. That these interactions will, once the script has been followed, result in some official rubber stamp for any and all radishes that wish to take advantage of the freedom to collaborate in the shadows so they can better combat their perceived enemies? That this was always the inevitable outcome once the Wikipedians realized that assuming bad faith puts them at a natural disadvantage when arrayed against people who come here for the right reasons. It's pretty out there, but like all good conspiracy theories, there are some strange aspects of it that otherwise defy a more rational explanation. Not sure I can say more without getting trouted. A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Please ping me! 10:30, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi , there you left a message on my talk page about adding DOB matters ... Can you explain me more about adding source on DOB ??? Truedboner ( talk) 15:09, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia includes full names and dates of birth that have been widely published by reliable sources, or by sources linked to the subject such that it may reasonably be inferred that the subject does not object to the details being made public.ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 15:11, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
hi Aojconnor ( talk) 13:09, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
I am glad you were reasonable in the last discussion. I am thinking I should have reviewed that article better. However I have to admit I saw that she was born in Hong Kong, clearly British, and focused mainly on the first two lines. I did not notice the third line and am sorry about that. Do you think it would help if I reverted the edit? John Pack Lambert ( talk) 17:09, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
I don't know if fits the bill
was intentional, but I enjoyed it all the same.
BilledMammal (
talk) 01:49, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi, if I deleted the AfD notice, it was a mistake. I am currently trying to edit the article to fix the concerns identified on the BLP noticeboard, and would be grateful if you could give me a bit of time to do that, as I don't want to get into an edit war. I believe I can address all the concerns that people had. Thanks! Ephesians511 ( talk) 16:44, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
Thanks, however, WP:BLPRESTORE says If it is to be restored without significant change, consensus must be obtained first. Material that has been repaired to address concerns should be judged on a case-by-case basis. I did make "significant change" to address the concerns, in particular by making it clear that the subject hadn't been charged / convicted of a crime. Also, in the reference for the independent review, I included a quote to make it clear that the reviewers had found the subject had been engaged in "a range of harmful behaviours". So I think I fully addressed these concerns and I was justified in making the edit. Please, let's discuss on the BLP noticeboard now. Ephesians511 ( talk) 17:04, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
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These movies (101 problems 9f Hercules and the others were all first aired on wonderful world of Disney ABC which you can already find on Wikipedia page but then we're adapted to vhs, I can send you those vhs as your proof also can find these movies on Disney's website thanks 166.182.86.70 ( talk) 14:31, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
Dear ScottishFinnishRadish,
Thank you for your help with editing Joao Vale e Azevedo's profile.
I have a question, in order to be clearer regarding page modifications, why can't font No. 12 of the profile be canceled or replaced, which is the following: https://www.slbenfica.pt/404?
This source does not contribute useful information to the profile, because it was canceled. In the same way, should it be kept in the profile? What can be done to eliminate or replace it?
Thanks a lot, Nathalia Nathalia Rodríguez R ( talk) 17:30, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your help.
Does that mean that even when the source of the news or information has canceled the page, the link will not be removed? I ask because the profile uses those links to support the written information.
If those links are no longer available, how is the information that is written justified?
Thank you very much for your help, again. Nathalia Rodríguez R ( talk) 19:09, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
Okay. Doesn't the 404 error, which is the page cancelled, mean that the content no longer exists? I ask because I tried to find another source where the content that existed there could be hosted and I can't find it. Nathalia Rodríguez R ( talk) 20:05, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
ScottishFinnishRadish, please be aware that the article about João Vale e Azevedo has been the target of WP:ADVOCACY multiple times. SLBedit ( talk) 19:00, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
I am the director of A Night at Switch n' Play and am asking for corrections to errors on the page. I am following the guidelines based in this wikipedia contact page ( /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Contact_us/Article_subjects)
I am asking for the identities and pronouns of the performers to be corrected. There's a lack of neutral and straightforward language that misrepresents living people based on a poorly sourced material (as outlined in this Wikpedia page /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Remove_contentious_material_that_is_unsourced_or_poorly_sourced).
The Queer Guru source that is cited for the cast descriptions contains a number of original interpretations or descriptions of the performers that can be considered offensive, and these descriptions are also reproduced word-for-word. This source's descriptions are not accurate and misinterpret the characterizations offered in the film. The language in this article regarding the cast's description is transphobic, defamatory and contentious.
As stated in Wikipedia's "Reliable Sources Section": contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced should be removed immediately and without discussion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.165.95.186 ( talk) 21:52, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
This is a more reliable source with neutral language [1] - the summary of the cast's descriptions are as follows: Divina [Brooklyn-based drag and burlesque artist], “femmecee” Miss Malice, trans drag king K.James, drag/burlesque “queerdo” Nyx Nocturne, drag artist Pearl Harbor, nonbinary drag king Vigor Mortis, and snake charmer-stage kitten Zoe Ziegfeld Crs363 ( talk) 19:28, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
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You should make more edits and make more pages about books, countries, foods, locals, televisions etc. But i think it will be perfect
Why is Pups Alone still not a standalone article? Explain yourself. El_C 13:40, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
Tall Girl 2 has been released today. You're welcome! El_C 16:14, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
I'd like to take a moment to thank everyone involved in this thread for helping me reach this milestone:
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Nice. ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 14:15, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
A new Puppy Bowl! (XVIII). And a movie called Cosmic Dawn (crankedupfilms.com/cosmicdawn) that doesn't star Bruce Willis? You've heard it here 1st! El_C 18:20, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
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I'd support you, obviously, this should be relisted at the very least. Although maybe ask the closer first to revert themselves and relist, skipping the delrev is possible? Ping User:Scottywong. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:07, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for the minor support in reverting that guy’s edits about me… I’m sorry about him being a nusiance but I wanted to thank you. Aardwolf68 ( talk) 17:35, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
The proposed decision in the Skepticism and coordinated editing has been posted. Please review the proposed decision and draw the arbitrators' attention to any relevant material or statements. Comments may be brought to the attention of the committee on the proposed decision talk page. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) 22:00, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, I know. My general beef isn't with you, or with other editors answering edit requests with less-than-ideal canned responses. It's with our general response to edit requests. It's just so counterproductive to welcoming new users in. I've tried to discuss it. The last time, the discussion just ended up archived. Multiple editors think this is an issue. Why are we having such a hard time fixing this? valereee ( talk) 00:41, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
I've been dealing with GNIS rubbish for so long that when I see an article that begins "X is a residential area" I immediately think of the standard Wikipedia information-free cop-out "unincorporated community". There do seem to be a fair few "Kinnoull something" things that are or were there, from Kinnoull Manse through Kinnoull Cottage to Kinnoull Primary School and Kinnoull Hill. It would be nice if Wikipedia explained that it was a parish. Then it might make sense.
Our article is sourced to the bowling club's WWW site.
Uncle G ( talk) 22:49, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
You call the truth a “disruptive edit.” CovidHoax ( talk) 12:57, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
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