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Can you quote the passage from the source that supports your recent addition that "From the contemporary Hebrew press it appears that the rioters targeted the Zionist community for their massacre." Ankh. Morpork 18:28, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
From Israeli schoolbooks, to television and cinema, to rhetorical pronouncements on the floor of the Israeli parliament, the language of conflict, violence, and victimization are a central part of both the Israeli public discourse as well as the individual citizens' understanding of reality. Bar-Tal and Teichman's psychological studies of Israeli schoolchildren acutely illustrate this point. The Israeli state and dominant popular culture broadly depict Palestinians and Arabs as "primitive, uncivilized, savage, backward," as well as "murderers, a bloodthirsty mob, treacherous, cowardly, cruel, and wicked." The development, institutionalization, and widespread acceptance of this stereotype has been central to the struuctural institutionalization of a particular vision of the nation and its history'. Michelle Campos, 'Remembering Jewish-Arab Contact and Conflict,' in Sandra Marlene Sufian, Mark LeVine, (eds.) Reapproaching Borders: New Perspectives on the Study of Israel-Palestine, Rowman & Littlefield 2007 pp.41-65 p.53. And now back to the more illumining vulgarities of Luciana Littizzetto Nishidani ( talk) 20:29, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
the rioters targeted the Zionist community for their massacre.
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Palestinian people. Discussion regarding the Historical history regarding the Palestinian people could use your contribution. Previous discussions on the same topic (or closely related topics) show you are well versed in expertise in the field. Lazyfoxx 02:53, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
Regarding your comment: without commenting on the rest, I think you're being a bit cynical when you state that any tiny infraction results in sanctions. I'm ignoring the 1RR violation, as I think Lazyfoxx's explanation seems sincere; but as he's been blocked already for canvassing I can hardly ignore that he's canvassing again, however limited the canvassing might be. As he was told his edits might be considered canvassing and he rejected the concern, it's fairly clear stronger measures are needed to prevent future canvassing. Killer Chihuahua 21:48, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
I think that everything on Wikipedia should be subject to a Full Cavity Search. Do you agree or disagree? ClaudeReigns ( talk) 14:25, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
Historylover4 back? Dougweller ( talk) 13:18, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
The Invention of the Jewish People is 1RR article. It appears that you broke again the 1RR with two reverts. I have no intention to report anyone, including you due to my personal convictions, yet you have violated Wikipedia rules.-- Tritomex ( talk) 20:18, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
Nish, a revert is an edit that reverses, in whole or in part, another edit. A copy-edit is not a revert. Your first edit was not a revert. You did not reverse Dlv's edit, you modified it. And Tritomex, you werent mentioned by me. nableezy - 17:25, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
Hello. This is a boilerplate message for participants in the moderated discussion about the Jerusalem RfC - sorry for posting en masse. We have almost finished step one of the discussion; thanks for your statement and for any other contributions you have made there. This is just to let you know I have just posted the proposed result of step one, and I would like all participants to comment on some questions I have asked. You can find the discussion at Talk:Jerusalem/2013 RfC discussion#Judging the consensus for step one - please take a look at it when you next have a moment. Thanks — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 17:19, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
If you do not self revert your restoration of challenged sources, I will be seeking admin intervention. You didn't participate in the discussion or even allow it 20 minutes. You supplied no policy based reason for your restoration in violation of WP:ONUS. No More Mr Nice Guy ( talk) 22:13, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
Hello. This is to let you know that we have now started step two in the Jerusalem RfC discussion, in which we will be deciding the general structure of the RfC. I have issued a call for statements on the subject, and I would be grateful if you could respond at some time in the next couple of days. Hope this finds you well — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 16:35, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
Rather than the usual message about reverts, I thought you might like a quick look at an article mentioned on Jimbo's talk: What If the Great Wikipedia 'Revolution' Was Actually a Reversion?. It's not worth skipping lunch to read, but it's short and has some interesting points about the human condition. Johnuniq ( talk) 00:47, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
There was some slight objection over my use of a place name by the subject of a bio (he grew up there). It got me thinking about the standards by which we name places in the I/P conflict. Nur Masalha considers the renaming of places to be tantamount to cultural genocide. Rosemarie Esber considers the I/P conflict to be the result of the execution of the Partition of Palestine (with many groups playing a part). I am starting to form an opinion that perhaps any contested territory which had a common English place name prior to the partition should be kept intact in the interests of neutrality with attention to Masalha's concerns. However, I am unsure if there are any places which can be uncontested for the purpose of using a current place name. Is all of it contested? Or are there parts of the territorial dispute which can be considered resolved? ClaudeReigns ( talk) 20:45, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
Hello everyone. I have asked a question about having drafts versus general questions at the Jerusalem RfC discussion, and it would be helpful if you could comment on it. I'm sending out this mass notification as the participation on the discussion page has been pretty low. If anyone is no longer interested in participating, just let me know and I can remove you from the list and will stop sending you these notifications. If you are still interested, it would be great if you could place the discussion page on your watchlist so that you can keep an eye out for new threads that require comments. You can find the latest discussion section at Talk:Jerusalem/2013 RfC discussion#Step two discussion. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 04:44, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
Hello all. We have finally reached step three in the Jerusalem RfC discussion. In this step we are going to decide the exact text of the various drafts and the general questions. We are also going to prepare a summary of the various positions on the dispute outlined in reliable sources, per the result of question nine in step two. I have left questions for you all to answer at the discussion page, and I'd be grateful for your input there. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 08:53, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi, Long time not see! I have a request...: Al Ameer son wants to try take the Bani Zeid to GA-status, and I am trying to help. The place is a merger of two villages, Deir Ghassaneh and Beit Rima. Now, Victor Guérin visited both in 1863, and described them, alas in French, see Talk:Bani_Zeid. If anyone can do better than google.translate, it would be much appreciated!, Cheers, Huldra ( talk) 17:11, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
I see you are "in retirement", but I hope it is not lasting? We need you! Especially on the
Nabi Salih-page; again it is
Victor Guérin.
He visited the village in 1863 and 1870 (...I think?).. and he writes something about visiting a grave/shrine? Which cannot be anything but the "Shrine of Salih"(?) Anything Guerin writes about that would be significant... Modern writers who have described the shrine have missed any Guerin-ref.
(Which might have to do with archive.org "missing" the page the info is on! I had to get a scan from a "real" hard-copy, and upload it. Therefore, the pages are a bit strange)
Hope you are well, take care, Cheers, Huldra ( talk) 18:39, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for correcting my Latin. The quotes were taken from notes made on a night-time flight to Israel/Palestine and I did suspect the second one was wrong... but couldn't find the original. Thanks for caring. Padres Hana ( talk) 08:18, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
A request for clarification has been submitted regarding the ArbCom mandated Jerusalem RFC process. Callanecc ( talk • contribs • logs) 01:27, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
Hello. We have almost finished step three of the Jerusalem RfC discussion, but before we move on to step four I would like to make sure that all the participants are happy with the drafts that we have chosen. The content of the drafts are likely to dictate what ends up in the actual article, after all, so I want to make sure that we get them right.
So far, there hasn't been much interest in the process of choosing which drafts to present to the community, and only three editors out of twenty submitted a drafts statement. I have used these three statements to pick a selection of drafts to present, but we still need more input from other participants to make sure that the statements are representative of all participants' wishes. I have started discussions about this under question seven and question eight on the RfC discussion page, and I would be grateful for your input there.
Also, there have been complaints that this process has been moving too slowly, so I am going to implement a deadline. If there haven't been any significant objections to the current selection of drafts by the end of Wednesday, 8 May, then I will move on to step four. Questions or comments are welcome on the discussion page or on my talk page. Best regards — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 03:56, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
Faizan - Let's talk! 12:35, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
Hello everyone. We are now at step four of the Jerusalem RfC discussion, where we will decide the details of the RfC implementation. This is the home stretch - the RfC proper will begin as soon as we have finished this step. Step four is also less complicated than the previous steps, as it is mostly about procedural issues. This means it should be over with a lot more quickly than the previous steps. There are some new questions for you to answer at the discussion page, and you can see how the RfC is shaping up at the RfC draft page. Also, when I say that this step should be over with a lot quicker than the previous steps, I mean it: I have set a provisional deadline of Monday, 20th May for responses. I'm looking forward to seeing your input. Best regards — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 12:56, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
Salut Nishidani, ne tombe pas dans la provocation de "Montage Verte". Il n'est pas là pour contribuer ni même pour introduire des pov-pushing. Il ignore juste l'histoire et préfère s'en distancer. Il n'y aura rien de constructif qui débouchera de discusisons avec lui et encore moins de tentatives de lui faire prendre conscience de la réalité...
Ceci dit, merci pour ton soutien dans le 1RR avec Tritomex. Pluto2012 ( talk) 18:58, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
... we did something about archiving this page, as it's now about 360k. If you want to do it yourself, I'd suggest—given your loquacity—that you copy about half of this page to the latest archive, then start a new archive. However, I think your time is far too valuable to waste on routine jobs such as archiving, which can be done perfectly well by a bot. If you're worried about the bot archiving the section at the top (or indeed any other specific section), that can easily be prevented (as I do on my own page). Let me know if you need any assistance, but be aware I can only edit intermittently for now, so you may have to wait a little while for a response.
-- NSH001 ( talk) 17:56, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
Hello again, everyone. I have now closed all the questions for step four, and updated the RfC draft. We are scheduled to start the Jerusalem RfC at 09:00, 23 May 2013 (UTC). Before then, I would like you to check the draft page, Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Jerusalem, and see if there are any errors or anything that you would like to improve. If it's a small matter of copy editing, then you can edit the page directly. If it's anything that might be contentious, then please start a discussion at Talk:Jerusalem/2013 RfC discussion#The final countdown. I'll check through everything and then set the RfC in motion on Thursday. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 16:11, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Hello again everyone. We have finally made it - the RfC is now open, and a few editors have chimed in already. The discussion is located at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Jerusalem. I'm sure you don't actually need me to tell you this, but please go over there and leave your comments. :) You are the editors most familiar with the Jerusalem lead dispute on Wikipedia, so it would be very useful for the other participants to see what you have to say. And again, thank you for all your hard work in the discussions leading up to this. We shall reconvene after the results of the RfC have been announced, so that we can work out any next steps we need to take, if necessary. Best regards — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 13:20, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
Hi Nishidani,
Thank you for your support on the article. Regarding this : "The 1948 war was won before it was started.", it is pure WP:OR from my side and I will never talk about it in any article but I tend to disagree.
If you check carefully the rise of power of the Arab armies after they decided to enter the war beginning of April (after Deir Yassin), you can conclude that if they had taken this decision on 1st December, they would have overrun the Yishuv.
With 4 more months of preparation, they would not have intervened with 20,000 troops but with more the 50,000 (what they had gathered in July, ie 4 months later).
That is particularly true regarding the South front where the Egyptians decided to intervene even later only a fews days beofre 15 May and gathered "only" 10,000 troops. Haganah could only oppose 5,000 men (Ha'Neguev and Guivati brigades). With 30,000 troops, they would have taken Tel-Aviv without doubt and the Arab Legion would certainly have come from Lydda and Ramle to prevent the massacre and protect the Israelis.
So, I am convinced that Yishuv had right, as my "beloved Benny" says, to fear extermination. Yishuv won because the Arabs were particularly disorganised and too much confident but as Gelber points out, if they would listened Safwat (ALA's commander) and military adviser at the Arab League, they would have won.
It is true that in any case, Palestinians had lost.
Pluto2012 ( talk) 09:54, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Although vast legions of authors called it Herodian, it probably wasn't. Look for "Building the Western Wall: Herod Began it but Didn’t Finish it" at here. Also I took your initial in vain on some talk page somewhere. Zero talk 15:14, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
I just noticed there is an article Isra and Mi'raj and it is quite long. We need some overlap, but how much? Zero talk 10:23, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
Just so you know, my username is actually kind of misleading. I'm not of the nationality suggested by it, though I can read the language in question. And I admit that I have not read any of those writings you discussed (though I'm certainly aware of Herder's work); however, they certainly do seem consistent with my point of view. I would say that my ideas come less, though, from any readings at all than from personal experience. Living in a foreign country has led my to constantly deal with wrong stereotypes of what everyone is sure my views are. And then there's just my deep-seated individualism. But either way. I guess it's a bit of a matra with me that state =/= people. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 00:57, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
So Stanley Fish has finally off most of his large collection of books, The question is, can a distraint order be placed on the proceeds, so that purchasers can get part of their money back for the missing 32 pages between pp.55-86 of his Doing What Comes Naturally, Clarendon Press, 1989? . . .On second thought, it dealt with Derrida, and was therefore probably a cheap rhetorical device to illustrate the principle of sous rature (and coincidentally save on print, ink and paper). No answer needed. Nishidani ( talk) 11:17, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
My mother always told me is "thank you." But strike if your modesty compels it. It's good work whoever did it, and synthesis is often more difficult than creation, or something like that.— alf laylah wa laylah ( talk) 17:49, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
Please do not attack other editors, as you did to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Israeli Violations of the Ceasefire of 21 November, 2013 (2nd nomination). Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. p b p 20:43, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
Readers of Kant, using one of the standard versions, will encounter language like this:-
(1) 'By transcendental idealism I mean the doctrine that appearances are to be regarded as being, one and all, representations only, not things in themselves, ,'Patricia Kitcher, Kant's "Critique of Pure Reason":Critical Essays Rowman & Littlefield 1998, p.194
Kant in his Critique of Pure Reason writes:
(2)'Ich verstehe aber unter dem tranzendentalen Idealism aller Erscheinungen den Lehrbegriff, nach welchem wir sie ingesamt als bloße Vorstellungen, und nicht als Dinge an sich selbst,ansehen . .'Jens Timmermann (hrsg.) Immanuel Kant, Kritik der reinen Vernunft, Felix Meiner Verlag, 1998 p.484 (A369)
In Werner S.Pluhar’s recent translation, the same key passage runs:
'By transcendental idealism of all appearances I mean the doctrinal system whereby we regard them, one and all, as mere presentations and not as things in themselves’ Immanuel Kant, Critique of Pure Reason, Hackett Publishing Co., Indianapolis, Cambridge 1996 p.401
As one can see here the form -copula+infinitive+past participle - is not futurative. It is a passive form used stylistically in preference to the active present tense in which the subject (a generic 'we') stands out, rather as one writes 'One' instead of 'we'. This erasure of a presumptive collective subject in favour of a neutral passive mood, is as common in philosophical texts as it is in legal discourse.
Gerald James Larson Karl Harrington Potter, Ram Shankar Bhattacharya (eds.), Sāṃkhya: A Dualist Tradition in Indian Philosophy, (Encyclopedia of Indian Philosophies, vol.4 Princeton University Press ,1993) Motilal Banarsidass 1987 p.231 If effects are 'to be regarded as of one kind, then in the absence of a specific type of cause the effect could be produced.'
In these cases one is not advised to assume a form of cognition in the future, but rather to frame what would be the case under certain conditions, or to commend the proper way to interpret or perceive matters whose status is subject to doubt or various hypotheses. Nishidani ( talk) 21:42, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
Please stop with the personal attacks on Talk:Itamar. This includes making accusations about my behavior and motives without evidence and insulting my command of the English language, both of which are personal attacks according to Wikipedia guidelines. -- 1ST7 ( talk) 19:02, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
I (1ST7)said that you wrote that two settlers murdered a Palestinian man (your text read "Farid Musa Issa Nasasrah from Beit Furik was murdered near Itamar by two settlers") when it was never proven that he was killed by settlers, as the only two who were charged were released for insufficient evidence.
‘In the Nablus area, next to the settlement Itamar, two settlers murdered a Palestinian, Fareed Nassasra, a resident of Beit-Fourik, and wounded three others.’Daniel Dor, Intifada Hits the Headlines: How the Israeli Press Misreported the Outbreak of the Second Palestinian Uprising, Indiana University Press, 2004 p.11.
(a) Farid Mussa 'Issa Nesasreh.28 year-old resident of Beit Furik, Nablus district, killed on 17.10.2000 in Beit Furik, Nablus district. Additional information: Killed by a settler from Itamar while harvesting olives near the settlement. B'tselem, 'Palestinians killed by Israeli civilians in the West Bank, 29.9.2000 - 31.10.2012,'
Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. -- 1ST7 ( talk) 21:04, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
At Yitzhar's talk page, a query was raised some time back about a report in Arutz Sheva that Palestinians exploited shabbat to attack settlers. User:Ajnem asked:
his lawyer questioned the plaintiff regarding the fact he had filmed the event on Sabbath, whereupon the settler replied that he had a rabbinical ruling on halakha or Jewish law, which determined that Sabbath may be desecrated if the aim is to stop a goy from stealing hay and straw, as were the Palestinians in the area, which belonged to the settlers. Nawi was convicted by the Magistrate's court and sentenced to probation and a fine of NIS 500. It emerged that the halakhic judgement had been written by the plaintiff's father a day before the trial. On appeal, the conviction was overturned by a District Court when his lawyer Lea Tsemel showed that the land concerned was owned by Palestinians.' Cheers. Nishidani ( talk) 08:59, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
This article was deleted on the strength of a split 8/7 vote (counting keep and move and merge votes). The problem now is that one (putting aside User:IranitGreenberg's vote: he was topic banned two days later for POV pushing) of the deciding votes was by User:Soosim, who, it emerges from today's Haaretz, was operating on behalf of NGO Monitor, i.e. abusing wikipedia to promote an agenda. Questions were raised about the propriety of that closure (delete). Is this a grounds for reconsidering the issue with a request for undeletion? As it stands, at least one of the 8 was voting in terms, not of policy, but as part of a political battle against any media that harms what they believe to be Israel (or Zionist) interests. Nishidani ( talk) 16:44, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
-- Al Ameer son ( talk) 06:40, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
No, if a person moves to another place (where he wasn't born), he's an immigrant. It's a matter of facts, not opinions. Arafat was born in Egypt, it doesn't matter where his parents came from. With the same arbitrary criteria, there aren't Jewish immigrants in Israel because their ancestors supposedly came from there in the first place. As you can see, this reasoning is absurd. If you don't like the fact that the PLO leader wasn't born in Palestine, it's your problem, not mine.-- Michael Zeev ( talk) 19:49, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
Since you have over 100 edits at Charles Dickens, you might want to participate in the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Novels#Derivative_works_and_cultural_references_templates regarding including navigation boxes for adaptations of and related subjects to an authors works on the author's bio page.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 16:13, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
I lost track of how many times I warned you about this sort of behavior. So as per your request, see: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Nishidani No More Mr Nice Guy ( talk) 08:10, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi Nishidani,
I wonder what "hearsay" did you mean in this comment " and Russian Eurasia(300,000 non Jewish Russians) according to hearsay some 3400 years ago"? Thanks. 94.76.244.157 ( talk) 01:31, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
Still waiting on your input regarding the comparative attention to be given the various existing and proposed sources. Also, you might find Keilana's comments rather interesting as well. John Carter ( talk) 21:30, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
Hello again everyone. Now that the Jerusalem RfC has been closed and there has been time for the dust to settle, I thought it would be a good time to start step six of the moderated discussion. If you could leave your feedback over at the discussion page, it will be most appreciated. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 09:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
I submitted another editor's work to the admin, but my form ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Tritomex_reported_by_User:MVictorP_.28Result:_.29) is less than perfect, owing to the fact that I am a noob. I want to do things right, however, but I am pressed for time. Can you help me with my synthax? Of course ignore if this is bothering you. MVictorP ( talk) 13:26, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
I have to say I agree with you about the problems of Christianity and Judaism, and even, which might surprise you, how obnoxiously arrogant and self-righteous both have historically been (along with Islam) in dealing with anyone else. I commented to I think Dougweller some time ago, maybe in private e-mail, that we need to differentiate between "Israelite religion" and "Judaism", like the reference sources do. Adding some more information about the sometimes obvious ties to other Mesopotamian and other religions as well. The only way I can really think to do that is to get together as many academic sources, either reference or college-level texts, together for everyone to review. The sources ALA has called "outstanding reference sources" are not necessarily the best, and they even indicate in their statements that being "user-friendly" is one of their main selection criteria, but I hope that they also try to ensure that those which have real serious content problems don't get included. And, by and large, the reference department of libraries tend to prioritize buying them, so most of them should also be comparatively easily available. I just finished yesterday going through an itemized list of the articles and subarticles of the 2nd edition of EoR for the letter "I". The subject and sub-subject summary for just that one letter in that one source winds up being about 18 pages long in Word, which is why they aren't getting produced and added here as fast as I would like. But I am still working on them. That source, which has clear University of Chicago Eliade bias, and the RGG/Religion Past and Present, which has clear Religionsgeschichtlicheschule bias, might even not themselves be able to get together a really fair article between them, but with the others we might be able to get something getter. Also, FWIW, the old Hastings ERE has a lot of content on even the religions of peoples who had been exterminated prior to its publishing. I'm not at all sure if your own beliefs, whatever they are in the broad field of "paganism" are covered there, but I know most of the indigenous religion material around here either doesn't exist or basically sucks at present, but I certainly would have no reservations about maybe trying to give them some material here, if you wanted any help. This is, by the way, not an attempt to try to get you to change your opinions. It is just, unfortunately, based on the bad level of content on most religious subjects we have here. John Carter ( talk) 18:20, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi Nishidani,
would you have reads reliable sources stating that the aim of this operation was to poison wells of Tel Aviv and it was instigated by the Mufti ? Except Bar Zohar (whose reliability on this topic is relative).
Thank you, Pluto2012 ( talk) 20:11, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
For whatever reason, the various numerous attempts to upload the old Hastings Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics from archive.org to the wikimedia commons over the past two weeks have all failed miserably. I remember that you tend to spend some significant periods of time on the computer, possibly long enough to maybe upload them in the background while doing other things. If you would want to commit yourself to dealing with such lengthy files, having them there would make it possible to put the articles from them on WikiSource, and even though some of them are really appalling by modern standards, like "Aborigines", a lot of the others, like Poussin's articles on Buddhism, have been called in reviews of more recent encyclopedias maybe the best things ever written on the subject. The article on Theosophy, written by Mme. Blavatsky I think, is another article from that source still considered a bit of a high water mark in the field. If you have time, and I know from experience how much time that can take in this matter. John Carter ( talk) 18:30, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
Here is an interesting opinion piece on why we need to take a more multilingual approach to our scholarship to avoid Anglo-centric bias. Ignocrates ( talk) 02:04, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Greetings Nishidani. I hope all is well with you. Can you take some time out of your busy life to review the Gospel of the Ebionites article? JC has expressed some concerns about it on the talk page Talk:Gospel of the Ebionites#Question of POV, and I would like to get your perspective. Please leave any comments or constructive criticisms you may have to futher improve the article below Talk:Gospel of the Ebionites#WP:FAR. There is a good chance this article is going to WP:FAR, and I would like to be as prepared as possible. Thank you. Ignocrates ( talk) 18:11, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
The delegate is asking participants for a succinct summary at Wikipedia:Featured_article_review/Gospel_of_the_Ebionites/archive1 if you would care to comment. Ignocrates ( talk) 22:05, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
As you are in the process of reviewing the article, can you also help out with the removal of tendentious tags? Thanks. Ignocrates ( talk) 18:34, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
Can you take a minute to weigh in with a WP:3O at Talk:Gospel of the Ebionites#Neutrality tag? The discussion is about the proper weight for the Boismard material. I changed my summary of the ABD article to a direct quote of Petersen in a note. Should this content be (1) a minority view in the main text, (2) a tiny minority view in a note (as it is currently), or (3) not even worth mentioning (perhaps included as a citation or not even that much)? Thanks in advance. Ignocrates ( talk) 18:40, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
I wonder if you would have a few minutes to have a look at the above article. A few suggestions could go a long way and the importance of the article is pretty obvious.-- Andrew Lancaster ( talk) 19:29, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi. I just saw that the entire old Hastings Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics is now uploaded to commons, which means that I can start adding some of the articles to WikiSource. I have gotten at least a few articles ready for there, but have also found that they tend to use a lot of foreign characters with which I am at best dubiously familiar, including a lot with "special characters" which don't appear in my word processing program. If and when I add them to WikiSource, after a bit further review myself, would you be perhaps interested in maybe checking on whether I am using the correct characters in some of these cases, if I give you the page number of the article from the original and a link to the file that the material appeared in originally? John Carter ( talk) 16:56, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
Suggest you look at Talk:1920 Nebi Musa riots. Zero talk 10:21, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
Your name was mentioned here WP:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard#Gospel of the Ebionites in case you want to add anything. This is still about Marie-Émile Boismard and his conjecture about a Hebrew gospel source underlying the Gospel of_the Ebionites#Relationship to other texts. Maybe you can bring some clarity to this seemingly-never-ending dispute over neutrality. Best. Ignocrates ( talk) 22:18, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
-- Al Ameer ( talk) 16:44, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
Anyone can read Haaretz premium articles if they look at their print version, which is done by replacing the url up to the .premium final part with the text " http://www.haaretz.com/misc/article-print-page/". For example, to view the "Archaeologists race to save Gaza's ancient ruins" article, edit the original URL, http://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/.premium-1.542490, to http://www.haaretz.com/misc/article-print-page/.premium-1.542490 . ← ZScarpia 20:19, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
The template is suppose to only display when the page is actually protected. I have removed it manually. -- KTC ( talk) 09:13, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi. This is about the "Uses by Antisemites..." section in the Khazars article, an article I know you invested a lot of time in, and did a quality job IMO. My problem is - I can't read you on the Talk page. I can read the words but I can't figure what you think, subject-wise. On one hand you attack the omnipresence debates about Jewish matters that pervert many little-related articles, and on the other you defend it in a drone-like manner, stressing the importance of the law's letter rather than its spirit. Just telling it to me square would simplify things a lot.
I intent to correct the disputed part myself if I have no reasons not to do it. I think I did communicate mine enough, and I think rational opposition to them has been little to inexistant. Thanks in advance! MVictorP ( talk) 13:45, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
Controversy surrounds modern theories on a hypothetical Khazarian diaspora's possible impact on the formation of Ashkenazi Jewry, an argument that has lent itself occasionally also to polemics regarding Antisemitism.
I will pass over the condescendance (I don't think it affects me like you believe it would) to tell you this: The Khazarian hypothesis (and its ancestries) has been adopted ("adopted" doesn't meaning the said hypothesis were true nor false) mainly by people whose purpose was to attenuate anti-semitism before the advent of zionism. Post-zionism, the hypothesis could still be used to diminish the logic of antisemitism, but this was overshadowed by the fact that it lessened Jewish claims on Palestine based on their genetics - zionism.
I don't need to bring you sources or documentation for that, have I? Of course I could, but that would be rethorics. Besides, you know it it is true, truer and more objective than the dressed-up shit that's still in the article. The point is: the section is a political one in an article where there shouldn't be any.
Ask yourself what the disputed section bring to the article, versus what its removal would do. I for one believe that it is much more of a political debate than a neutral one. And thanks for you polite correspondence. MVictorP ( talk) 15:04, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
I know that you are probably not looking forward to this, but I think it would be useful if someone were to review the relevant academic sources relating to the topic of the above article. Specifically, I have seen more than one source which says that the works discussed by Jerome and the others as the GotH almost certainly were not the same work, and seem to have been written in different languages, and I do not see that reflected in the content of the article as it stands. I could be wrong, but that is the basis for my request for your review of material, if you so desire. John Carter ( talk) 18:44, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
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Maybe of interest. Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Louis-Fr.C3.A9d.C3.A9ric_Nussbaum_.28trans._K.C3.A4the_Roth.29.2C_Japan_Encyclopedia Zero talk 08:50, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi! Your posting was one of the most thought-out and reasoned comments I've read on Wikipedia for a long time, and all of your points were most welcome. I think your participation on Talk:Battle of Shigisan would probably be even more welcome/relevant. My replies to your many points, though, would likely clutter up that thread more than is necessary, so I'm going to reply here.
The Hyakunin isshu translation is certainly a blooper; the Ariwara no Narihira mispelling just editorial oversight on a lapsus calami;
You're right there. The Hyakunin Isshu issue is not a problem for me. I wrote my dissertation on the topic and have quick and easy access to hundreds of better sources, so if someone shows up and adds bogus material on the subject and cites Nussbaum, I won't have much difficulty fixing it. Narihira is a bigger problem. The "Narihara" misspelling is very widespread, and I suspect the Nussbaum (possibly the original French) to be the source of it. GBooks indicates that since the English version of Nussbaum was published, incidences of the "Narihara" spelling have increased nine-fold, whereas the number of books giving the correct spelling has only tripled. [2] [3] [4] [5] A fairly significant incident took place between September 2012 and February 2013 involving me and another user, and that user's attempts to cite as a source someone who genuinely believes it is "Narihara". [6] [7] To this day that user is claiming that a page in which I pointed out that this was wrong was an "attack page", even though the real reason it got deleted was that I discovered RSN and realized I didn't need subpages anymore. Basically what I'm saying is it would save us a whole lot of trouble if Wikipedia wasn't forced to include misspellings that appear in "reliable sources" without referring to them as misspellings unless such has appeared in other reliable sources. Wikipedia is actually a more widely-used resource than Nussbaum, and so even without violating WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS we actually can slow the spread of disinformation by preventing the inclusion of inaccurate data.
on a thing like Kujiki, a generic source like Frédéric cannot be used because it is subject to academic dispute, and in these instances, one must always have recourse to secondary specialist sources, never tertirary sources that push on opinion;
Actually, there isn't much of an active debate. Virtually all scholars say it was composed in 806-936, with some variation on whether the preface (and the false attribution to Prince Shotoku) was original or added later. Some scholars, who appear to be on the fringe even though User:Shii appears to agree with them, claim the work work originate in the 8th century, but there's a reason no general reference work gives any significant weight to their arguments. After carefully researching all this, I was floored by Nussbaum's 1644 claim (which, I failed to note on RSN, fits nicely with his claim that the Tsugibumi was written exactly 1,000 years earlier). I also hope by "never tertirary sources that push on opinion", you mean books written by one person who is not a specialist in the area and relied on secondary sources. I used several tertiary sources in order to establish due weight on the matter, since Shii had written the article based on secondary sources that appear to be in the minority.
'The battle of Shigisen' is English usage, yet 信貴山 is read 'Shigisan' in modern Japan. I don't think he should be used here either, and I don't think indeed that that English wiki article bears a proper title: its only justification is that none of the other current Japanese terms have stabilized to allow one to be ascendent.
You are right, of course, and if this was Hijiripedia the article would probably be merged into Soga no Umako or Mononobe no Moriya, since it appears that virtually no reliable sources in either English or Japanese have given the battle a name. GBooks and GScholar searches indicate that all the Japanese names are extremely obscure. [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] Absolutely nothing about the incident is known beyond a 2-page description in the Nihon Shoki.
A cursory glance at this obscure episode (the Nihonshoki doesn't appear to name it, by the way (Sakamoto Tarō, Ienaga Saburō, Inoue Mitsusada, Ōno Susumu (eds.)Nihon Shoki, Iwanami Koten Bungaku Taikei 68, vol.2 pp154-171, unless my quick glance through it missed something, doesn't appear to mention any name for the battle.
You know, back when I was still arguing with Curtis and Phoenix over what the article should be called, I went to Aston's translation of the same, and he didn't give the battle a name either. We can be pretty sure based on our mutual searches that our one ancient source describing the incident doesn't give it a name, and the near-complete lack of any discussion under any "name" in either Japanese or English indicates that all the names are late creations. The Isshi Incident, on the other hand, took place only a few decades later, was in a way a kind of "sequel" to the Shigisan battle, is very well-established as a name, and said name follows the same pattern as the Japanese names for the Shigisan battle. I'd therefore be willing to guess that modern scholars borrowed the name of the Isshi Incident and created a similar name for the earlier incident. I noticed this by searching Japanese Wikipedia for "の変" and trying to find the earliest instance of it. Any chance you could check up Nihon Shoki to see if it mentions "乙巳の変" or some equivalent, or if the notes mention the name? The only Nihon Shoki I have access to at the moment is the English translation...
When was the term coined?
Do you mean the Japanese ones? Or the English name? As far as I can tell, English Wikipedia is the closest thing to a reliable source that refers to it by the name "the Battle of Shigisan", and most of our best sources merely describe it as a battle that took place at Mount Shigi (or Shigi-sen). As I noted above, the Japanese terms are likely all just as made-up as the English ones, but "丁未の変" at least follows a certain logic in tying it in with "乙巳の変".
One thing I do know is that this was undoubtedly the traditional reading of an ancient text source, because
- George Sansom,A History of Japan to 1334, (1958)1974 p.49
- Edmond Papinot, Historial and Geographical Dictionary of Japan, (1899,1906,1910) Tuttle reprint 1972 sub. Soga no Umako, p.597
- James Murdoch,History of Japan, 1903, p.137
- Charles William Hepner, The Kurozumi Sect of Shinto, 1935 p.9
Now all of those extremely erudite Meiji (or close to Meiji) Japanologues write 'Shigisen', and it is not a slip but reflects, undoubtedly, their transcription of original sources, as edited by Japanese scholars.
My reasoning for agreeing with you is that my kanji dictionary says that the kan-on is さん and the go-on is せん, and other reliable sources tell me that kan-on came into being starting in the late-Nara period. Therefore, if this is true, then should the mountain be mentioned anywhere in the Kojiki, Nihon Shoki or Man'yōshū it would have been pronounced as せん, unless it's in a poem and pronounced やま. I'm reminded of that famous poem by Empress Jitō (again in the "Simple Poems by One Hundred Poets" :P ) that mentioned ama no kagu-yama. Also, we know Sansom knew more Japanese than to accidentally spell it "Shigisen" just because his Anglophone predecessors had, and it would be an unbelievable (and therefore unacceptable) coincidence to think that all these authorities just happened to accidentally misspell a word that they really knew was pronounced as "Shigisan", especially given the other evidence. Also, since you corrected my misprint on "its", I feel obliged to point out that Sansom may have been born in the Meiji period, his book in question was not "close to Meiji" by any stretch. If we had had this conversation in 2004, the book would have been published half-way between the end of Meiji and the present day. :P
If you pronounced that shigisen they’d probably hear that as a reference to the Kintetsu branch line from Kawachi-Yamamoto station (信貴線)!
Would I be right in assuming you joined me in Googling "しぎせん" to see what came up? :P
(a) it's pointless to have a blanket dismissal of a fairly good general encyclopedia
Why I'm not asking for the whole book to be dismissed. But I honestly find a new error every time I read an article in there in an area I have some knowledge of, and therefore I need to be able to remove the same mistakes if they show up on Wikipedia. If/when that happens I'll cite secondary sources written by specialists that directly contradict Nussbaum, of course!
(b) but on tricky issues, they should not be used, unless there is no other source.
I actually think that if there's a tricky issue, and no other source can be found, then the information should not be included in Wikipedia. If it's completely uncontroversial, and reliable Japanese sources all say the same thing, and Nussbaum is the only source in English, then I understand using an English source over a Japanese one, but not if a significant number of good Japanese sources contradict it.
Shigisan should really be, in my view, Shigisen, on the basis of the evidence above.
Talk:Battle of Shigisan is where this was being discussed, and it's largely winding down now after 3 moves in less than a week. If you want to open an RM and argue it out with Curtis and Phoenix, you can be my guest. I'll probably support you, of course. "Battle of Shigisan" isn't a Japanese name, and neither the kanji nor any discussion of their pronunciation currently appears on the consensus version of the page (I've convinced Phoenix on that point, but yet to implement it).
By the way 'Shigisen, sounds to me like it might have meant 'Snipe-Hill' (鷸)? Well, no matter. Just an idle thought.
The thought hadn't occurred to me, but I thought I might be able to prove Curtis wrong in his claim that no Japanese text pronounces it differently than しぎさん, if I could find some waka or the like that spelled it しぎのやま or しぎやま. I then found that there is apparently another mountain (in Fukushima Prefecture, I think) called 鴫山 (しぎやま). You may well be right in believing 信貴 is just 'ateji, so.
Cheers.
Hijiri 88 ( 聖 やや) 12:29, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
Minasan, both the English and Japanese texts of Nihon Shoki can be searched here. You can browse the text there too. Zero talk 03:08, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
Any chance you could check up Nihon Shoki to see if it mentions "乙巳の変" or some equivalent, or if the notes mention the name? The only Nihon Shoki I have access to at the moment is the English translation...
To search at that site you have to select English or Japanese from a drop-down menu. It does work. Zero talk 12:46, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
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Will it be possible for you to reply to the volunteer question at DRN- Kfar Etzion massacre ? Ykantor ( talk) 04:05, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
Nishidani, it's not like you don't have enough to do, but do you intend to complete your independent review of the GEbi article at some point now that FAR is closed? If so, it might be useful to let the Arbitration Committee know about that now that the John Carter case is going to be accepted (and probably renamed). That nugget of information will matter, particularly if they decide to quick-close the case by motion, as the issue of an independent review was raised during the request for arbitration. Thanks. Ignocrates ( talk) 18:42, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
SOB SOB PALESTINIANS SOB ='(.
Irrelevant. The whole notion of Judaization of Jerusalem is absurd. It's a propaganda campaign being waged by the PA and the waqf to deny any Jewish history in the city. Also, your userpage says that you're retired, but apparently you meant to write "Retarded". =) 174.44.174.192 ( talk) 09:40, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
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I am having some difficulty finding exactly where you made a comment in which you referred to several of the leading recent sources relating to the Gospel of the EbionitesHebrews discussing the work of a Dominican of about a 100 year ago relating to the Gospel. Do you remember where you made it, as I believe it is relevant evidence?
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Greetings, old chap. As you can see, I tidied up the article a bit, but it could do with a few wikilinks elsewhere. AWB wanted to put an orphan tag on it, but I stopped it doing so, despite what the (automatic) edit summary says. Perhaps you could add a few links to him, as I think you are better placed to do so than I am? Thanks.
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It seems that the discussion is stuck, and the next step is wp:drn. Please have a look at [16] Ykantor ( talk) 12:55, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
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Would welcome any comments you might have one the proposed decisions in this case. I personally would be very interested in any opinions on the possibility of some sort of guidelines for content under discretionary sanctions and guidelines for religious content as well, although I must admit that is more of a persona request. John Carter ( talk) 16:46, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for this. I have done all I can do. The rest is up to the Arbs. Ignocrates ( talk) 17:20, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
Hello my friend,
Could you please have a look at this article. It was written by an Israeli contributor and I think English is not his first language. Your support would be more than welcome :-) Pluto2012 ( talk) 19:49, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
Your last edit left a partial sentence. Also please review my deletion about the women and children, since I can't see the source. The information is in another section already. Zero talk 13:13, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
I've started work on the old EB article on the Mandaens, starting at wikisource:Page:EB1911 - Volume 17.djvu/571 and following pages. Unfortunately, it uses a lot of Greek and Hebrew characters, and I don't know either really well, and the resolution on the side-by-side display isn't enough for me to be able to really be sure of getting the right ones. If you have any interest in maybe checking on them, it would be greatly appreciated. John Carter ( talk) 19:24, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
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...for a short translation : here ? Pluto2012 ( talk) 06:14, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
I also appreciate your comment in the same AE case Nish, particularly the concluding statement. Maybe at least the topic area can strive to become an abode of peace. MichaelNetzer ( talk) 00:12, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
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I feel the need to say, I edit on Wikipedia 100% independently. I don’t know what the outcome of this report will be, but what I do know is that I’m going to let as many people as possible know about the biased articles and editings that are taking place on Wikipedia by them. Currently, in too many Israeli-Palestinian related articles, a few users with a certain opinion always outnumber their opposing sides in discussions and votings. So the least I can do, besides fighting over it, is inform people of the situation. Regardless of the result of this report, I’ll be paying close attention to Nishidani and Zero0000’s activity, and I kindly ask more people to do the same thing for the sake of Wikipedia’s future. The articles the two consistently edit, especially Nishidani, will also be better watched by me and hopefully others.(No diff link available due to its erasure, but = 17:29, 25 October 2013 (diff | hist) . . (+11,927) . . Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents (→A report against two users for their violations: new section). Nishidani ( talk) 16:09, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
You know guys, everything in my life has been going so great recently from so many aspects, I'm just not going to let a group of hard left-wing wikipedians spoil another successful day of mine. A few of you need to keep this kind of hatred to yourself, it won't get you far other than infect more people with it. Amazing how so many of you just "happened" to go to Nishidani's talk page in the past 24 hours, and then ambush me. Of course none of you wants to address any of the numerous charges which I demonstrated with clear links with diffs in my report against Zero0000 and Nishidani. If you all dare to falsely accuse me of having gone through "professional training", calling me a "trol", and trying to insult me in other ways here, then you don't have the right to tell me not to say what I think about Nishidani, or "be honest", as Zero0000 said when he called Tritomex the worst editor he's met in 11 years on Wikipedia. Because what you did before is called double standard, a term very often associated with Israel interestingly... Sooner or later I'll file a case at WP:SPI against Nishidani and the sockpuppets I believe to have been at his possession. You can now keep saying your pathetic gossip about my, keep degrading yourselves, I'm outta here to enjoy this Saturday night in Tel Aviv :) Yambaram ( talk) 21:50, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
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Lots of points to respond to. Nice to know you also had good times over here, I had assumed you've been to Israel in the past. I chose that specific diff and wrote "because of this!" for I just thought it was an excellent example to show that extreme POV-pushing and a twist of the truth, for which you were even punished. You claim you refused to revert the truth, which I'm not going to investigate and I believe you, but as much as I'd like to
AGF on your side all the time, I know there's sometimes more behind it. Sean.hoyland, thank you for your input, I like these tips and even implement them often, or at least keep them in mind. If you were suggesting that I change my views because they aren't right, then I just ask of you to try understanding other peoples' opinion, without necessarily agreeing with them. I do hope we both learn at least one thing from this discussion. I'll report the sockpuppets anyway, because I'm not the only one suspecting and because I myself donated money to the wikimedia foundation so I can allow myself you use these precious resources once. With regard to the references I made (hard left wing, hatred) I intentionally said it was only a few of you, don't worry Sean.hoyland of course I see that you're balanced. However, Lazyfoxx, Liz, and Pluro2012 talked trash and behaved like it too. And it tells a thing or two about their personality. You also said that I shouldv'e written to Nishidani on his talk page to express my concern, so I'll do it now also, as well as possible: Nishidani, if I may guess, I imagine you as a middle aged British man of Palestinian decent, possibly the son of refugees with relatives in Palestine. I think your political opinion leans toward the radical left anti-Zionist side, so much that it becomes anti-Jewish too. What's my point here? You can have your own beliefs, but it's being reflected in your editing, and affecting not less than millions of wikipedia readers. You're not only editing articles in a pro-Palestinian way, but it's been months now since you started promoting the theory that Ashkenazi Jews are for the most part Khazar converts, and almost no one is able to stand in your way, as you deliberately edit the pages "Ashkenazi Jews", "Khazars", and "Genetic studies on Jews". A naive reader could think that nearly all Jews, and Ashkenazim in particular, are converts, mainly from Khazars. Thus, they'd think, these Jews have no right to the land of Israel whatsoever, as they're also presented terribly in Israeli-Arab related articles. You want that happening and you manage to do it. (In reality, this Khazar theory may be true for as little as 5% of all Jews, but you're shaping in an un-NPOV way, and that I have a problem with). This is it, serious injustice is taking place, and I as well as others hate injustice. A disclosure, I'm an Ashkenazi Jewish Israeli who deeply cares about my country, so just imagine how I feel when I see these false delegitimizations of the reality. It's destroying me from the inside and is in the process of destroying my country and people from the outside. Antisemites and Israel haters all over the world look for this kind of information and devour it, and those who promote these theories on Jews and provide it to them, without reporting it in a balanced way, also have blood on their hands when the results start to appear, even if they didn't directly participate in the violence. I cannot ask you to not edit specific articles, but I'm frustrated with the path it's all going, it's a sensitive topic for me and so I know I may sound a bit silly. I'll try to spend some time this week and go over the three articles I mentioned, to ensure neutral and better quality.
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Yambaram ( talk) 23:02, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
Here's the bit I don't get: Why would any grown and educated person waste a minute "engaging" with a self-described teenager/right wing Israeli/resident of Tel Aviv whose command of written English is sub-standard and throws his weight around like, well, only a politically-motivated teenager can? The meta point is this is one of Wikipedia's biggest problems - yet the ignorant teenager is their most frequent customer. A true pickle. Dan Murphy ( talk) 23:23, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
(Was the great Eastern European Jewry of the 19th century preponderantly descended (as is normally believed) from immigrants from the Germanic lands further west who arrived as refugees in the later Middle Ages, bearing with them their culture? Or did these new immigrants find already on their arrival a numerically strong Jewish life, on whom they were able to impose their superior culture, including even their tongue (a phenomenon not unknown at other times and places – as for example in the 16 century, after the arrival of the highly cultured Spanish exiles in the Turkish Empire)?) Does the line of descent of Ashkenazi Jewry of today go back to a quasi autochthonous Jewry already established in these lands, perhaps even earlier than the time of the earliest Franco-German settlement in the Dark Ages? This is one of the mysteries of Jewish history, which will probably never been solved’ Cecil Roth in Cecil Roth, I. H. Levine (eds.) The World History of the Jewish People: The Dark Ages, Jews in Christian Europe, 711-1096, Volume 11 Jewish historical publications, 1966 pp.302-303
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How come you so-called "progressives" never demonize Bangladesh for its illegal Muslim settlements and actual real genocide of real indigenous peoples? See Genocide of indigenous peoples#Bangladesh. You people should focus on the real atrocities instead of getting distracted by Israel so much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enochkept1` ( talk • contribs) 07:33, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi Nishidani. You made great edits on Hebron but this one caused some formatting problems. I have corrected it now. The parameters which was removed are still there because they were also in the bibliography section, where they belong. However, you could look if something was wrongly removed and add it. Best regards. -- IRISZOOM ( talk) 17:34, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
Could you please let us know on Talk:Ashkenazi_Jews#NPOV.2FUNDUE_concerns_.2B_related_ethnic_groups if you agree with a less general rephrase of the sentence in the lead of Ashkenazi Jew, as per my latest proposal there? Debresser ( talk) 15:09, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
The first sentence you added to the article doesn't compute gramatically, specifically the part "the Israel High Court of Justice ruled that Yatta Palestinians... to withdraw their petition against the settlers who are alleged to have illegally seized the lands." Should the "to" be "should"? Number 5 7 15:44, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
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Can you quote the passage from the source that supports your recent addition that "From the contemporary Hebrew press it appears that the rioters targeted the Zionist community for their massacre." Ankh. Morpork 18:28, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
From Israeli schoolbooks, to television and cinema, to rhetorical pronouncements on the floor of the Israeli parliament, the language of conflict, violence, and victimization are a central part of both the Israeli public discourse as well as the individual citizens' understanding of reality. Bar-Tal and Teichman's psychological studies of Israeli schoolchildren acutely illustrate this point. The Israeli state and dominant popular culture broadly depict Palestinians and Arabs as "primitive, uncivilized, savage, backward," as well as "murderers, a bloodthirsty mob, treacherous, cowardly, cruel, and wicked." The development, institutionalization, and widespread acceptance of this stereotype has been central to the struuctural institutionalization of a particular vision of the nation and its history'. Michelle Campos, 'Remembering Jewish-Arab Contact and Conflict,' in Sandra Marlene Sufian, Mark LeVine, (eds.) Reapproaching Borders: New Perspectives on the Study of Israel-Palestine, Rowman & Littlefield 2007 pp.41-65 p.53. And now back to the more illumining vulgarities of Luciana Littizzetto Nishidani ( talk) 20:29, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
the rioters targeted the Zionist community for their massacre.
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Palestinian people. Discussion regarding the Historical history regarding the Palestinian people could use your contribution. Previous discussions on the same topic (or closely related topics) show you are well versed in expertise in the field. Lazyfoxx 02:53, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
Regarding your comment: without commenting on the rest, I think you're being a bit cynical when you state that any tiny infraction results in sanctions. I'm ignoring the 1RR violation, as I think Lazyfoxx's explanation seems sincere; but as he's been blocked already for canvassing I can hardly ignore that he's canvassing again, however limited the canvassing might be. As he was told his edits might be considered canvassing and he rejected the concern, it's fairly clear stronger measures are needed to prevent future canvassing. Killer Chihuahua 21:48, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
I think that everything on Wikipedia should be subject to a Full Cavity Search. Do you agree or disagree? ClaudeReigns ( talk) 14:25, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
Historylover4 back? Dougweller ( talk) 13:18, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
The Invention of the Jewish People is 1RR article. It appears that you broke again the 1RR with two reverts. I have no intention to report anyone, including you due to my personal convictions, yet you have violated Wikipedia rules.-- Tritomex ( talk) 20:18, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
Nish, a revert is an edit that reverses, in whole or in part, another edit. A copy-edit is not a revert. Your first edit was not a revert. You did not reverse Dlv's edit, you modified it. And Tritomex, you werent mentioned by me. nableezy - 17:25, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
Hello. This is a boilerplate message for participants in the moderated discussion about the Jerusalem RfC - sorry for posting en masse. We have almost finished step one of the discussion; thanks for your statement and for any other contributions you have made there. This is just to let you know I have just posted the proposed result of step one, and I would like all participants to comment on some questions I have asked. You can find the discussion at Talk:Jerusalem/2013 RfC discussion#Judging the consensus for step one - please take a look at it when you next have a moment. Thanks — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 17:19, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
If you do not self revert your restoration of challenged sources, I will be seeking admin intervention. You didn't participate in the discussion or even allow it 20 minutes. You supplied no policy based reason for your restoration in violation of WP:ONUS. No More Mr Nice Guy ( talk) 22:13, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
Hello. This is to let you know that we have now started step two in the Jerusalem RfC discussion, in which we will be deciding the general structure of the RfC. I have issued a call for statements on the subject, and I would be grateful if you could respond at some time in the next couple of days. Hope this finds you well — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 16:35, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
Rather than the usual message about reverts, I thought you might like a quick look at an article mentioned on Jimbo's talk: What If the Great Wikipedia 'Revolution' Was Actually a Reversion?. It's not worth skipping lunch to read, but it's short and has some interesting points about the human condition. Johnuniq ( talk) 00:47, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
There was some slight objection over my use of a place name by the subject of a bio (he grew up there). It got me thinking about the standards by which we name places in the I/P conflict. Nur Masalha considers the renaming of places to be tantamount to cultural genocide. Rosemarie Esber considers the I/P conflict to be the result of the execution of the Partition of Palestine (with many groups playing a part). I am starting to form an opinion that perhaps any contested territory which had a common English place name prior to the partition should be kept intact in the interests of neutrality with attention to Masalha's concerns. However, I am unsure if there are any places which can be uncontested for the purpose of using a current place name. Is all of it contested? Or are there parts of the territorial dispute which can be considered resolved? ClaudeReigns ( talk) 20:45, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
Hello everyone. I have asked a question about having drafts versus general questions at the Jerusalem RfC discussion, and it would be helpful if you could comment on it. I'm sending out this mass notification as the participation on the discussion page has been pretty low. If anyone is no longer interested in participating, just let me know and I can remove you from the list and will stop sending you these notifications. If you are still interested, it would be great if you could place the discussion page on your watchlist so that you can keep an eye out for new threads that require comments. You can find the latest discussion section at Talk:Jerusalem/2013 RfC discussion#Step two discussion. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 04:44, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
Hello all. We have finally reached step three in the Jerusalem RfC discussion. In this step we are going to decide the exact text of the various drafts and the general questions. We are also going to prepare a summary of the various positions on the dispute outlined in reliable sources, per the result of question nine in step two. I have left questions for you all to answer at the discussion page, and I'd be grateful for your input there. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 08:53, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi, Long time not see! I have a request...: Al Ameer son wants to try take the Bani Zeid to GA-status, and I am trying to help. The place is a merger of two villages, Deir Ghassaneh and Beit Rima. Now, Victor Guérin visited both in 1863, and described them, alas in French, see Talk:Bani_Zeid. If anyone can do better than google.translate, it would be much appreciated!, Cheers, Huldra ( talk) 17:11, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
I see you are "in retirement", but I hope it is not lasting? We need you! Especially on the
Nabi Salih-page; again it is
Victor Guérin.
He visited the village in 1863 and 1870 (...I think?).. and he writes something about visiting a grave/shrine? Which cannot be anything but the "Shrine of Salih"(?) Anything Guerin writes about that would be significant... Modern writers who have described the shrine have missed any Guerin-ref.
(Which might have to do with archive.org "missing" the page the info is on! I had to get a scan from a "real" hard-copy, and upload it. Therefore, the pages are a bit strange)
Hope you are well, take care, Cheers, Huldra ( talk) 18:39, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for correcting my Latin. The quotes were taken from notes made on a night-time flight to Israel/Palestine and I did suspect the second one was wrong... but couldn't find the original. Thanks for caring. Padres Hana ( talk) 08:18, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
A request for clarification has been submitted regarding the ArbCom mandated Jerusalem RFC process. Callanecc ( talk • contribs • logs) 01:27, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
Hello. We have almost finished step three of the Jerusalem RfC discussion, but before we move on to step four I would like to make sure that all the participants are happy with the drafts that we have chosen. The content of the drafts are likely to dictate what ends up in the actual article, after all, so I want to make sure that we get them right.
So far, there hasn't been much interest in the process of choosing which drafts to present to the community, and only three editors out of twenty submitted a drafts statement. I have used these three statements to pick a selection of drafts to present, but we still need more input from other participants to make sure that the statements are representative of all participants' wishes. I have started discussions about this under question seven and question eight on the RfC discussion page, and I would be grateful for your input there.
Also, there have been complaints that this process has been moving too slowly, so I am going to implement a deadline. If there haven't been any significant objections to the current selection of drafts by the end of Wednesday, 8 May, then I will move on to step four. Questions or comments are welcome on the discussion page or on my talk page. Best regards — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 03:56, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
Faizan - Let's talk! 12:35, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
Hello everyone. We are now at step four of the Jerusalem RfC discussion, where we will decide the details of the RfC implementation. This is the home stretch - the RfC proper will begin as soon as we have finished this step. Step four is also less complicated than the previous steps, as it is mostly about procedural issues. This means it should be over with a lot more quickly than the previous steps. There are some new questions for you to answer at the discussion page, and you can see how the RfC is shaping up at the RfC draft page. Also, when I say that this step should be over with a lot quicker than the previous steps, I mean it: I have set a provisional deadline of Monday, 20th May for responses. I'm looking forward to seeing your input. Best regards — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 12:56, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
Salut Nishidani, ne tombe pas dans la provocation de "Montage Verte". Il n'est pas là pour contribuer ni même pour introduire des pov-pushing. Il ignore juste l'histoire et préfère s'en distancer. Il n'y aura rien de constructif qui débouchera de discusisons avec lui et encore moins de tentatives de lui faire prendre conscience de la réalité...
Ceci dit, merci pour ton soutien dans le 1RR avec Tritomex. Pluto2012 ( talk) 18:58, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
... we did something about archiving this page, as it's now about 360k. If you want to do it yourself, I'd suggest—given your loquacity—that you copy about half of this page to the latest archive, then start a new archive. However, I think your time is far too valuable to waste on routine jobs such as archiving, which can be done perfectly well by a bot. If you're worried about the bot archiving the section at the top (or indeed any other specific section), that can easily be prevented (as I do on my own page). Let me know if you need any assistance, but be aware I can only edit intermittently for now, so you may have to wait a little while for a response.
-- NSH001 ( talk) 17:56, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
Hello again, everyone. I have now closed all the questions for step four, and updated the RfC draft. We are scheduled to start the Jerusalem RfC at 09:00, 23 May 2013 (UTC). Before then, I would like you to check the draft page, Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Jerusalem, and see if there are any errors or anything that you would like to improve. If it's a small matter of copy editing, then you can edit the page directly. If it's anything that might be contentious, then please start a discussion at Talk:Jerusalem/2013 RfC discussion#The final countdown. I'll check through everything and then set the RfC in motion on Thursday. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 16:11, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Hello again everyone. We have finally made it - the RfC is now open, and a few editors have chimed in already. The discussion is located at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Jerusalem. I'm sure you don't actually need me to tell you this, but please go over there and leave your comments. :) You are the editors most familiar with the Jerusalem lead dispute on Wikipedia, so it would be very useful for the other participants to see what you have to say. And again, thank you for all your hard work in the discussions leading up to this. We shall reconvene after the results of the RfC have been announced, so that we can work out any next steps we need to take, if necessary. Best regards — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 13:20, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
Hi Nishidani,
Thank you for your support on the article. Regarding this : "The 1948 war was won before it was started.", it is pure WP:OR from my side and I will never talk about it in any article but I tend to disagree.
If you check carefully the rise of power of the Arab armies after they decided to enter the war beginning of April (after Deir Yassin), you can conclude that if they had taken this decision on 1st December, they would have overrun the Yishuv.
With 4 more months of preparation, they would not have intervened with 20,000 troops but with more the 50,000 (what they had gathered in July, ie 4 months later).
That is particularly true regarding the South front where the Egyptians decided to intervene even later only a fews days beofre 15 May and gathered "only" 10,000 troops. Haganah could only oppose 5,000 men (Ha'Neguev and Guivati brigades). With 30,000 troops, they would have taken Tel-Aviv without doubt and the Arab Legion would certainly have come from Lydda and Ramle to prevent the massacre and protect the Israelis.
So, I am convinced that Yishuv had right, as my "beloved Benny" says, to fear extermination. Yishuv won because the Arabs were particularly disorganised and too much confident but as Gelber points out, if they would listened Safwat (ALA's commander) and military adviser at the Arab League, they would have won.
It is true that in any case, Palestinians had lost.
Pluto2012 ( talk) 09:54, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Although vast legions of authors called it Herodian, it probably wasn't. Look for "Building the Western Wall: Herod Began it but Didn’t Finish it" at here. Also I took your initial in vain on some talk page somewhere. Zero talk 15:14, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
I just noticed there is an article Isra and Mi'raj and it is quite long. We need some overlap, but how much? Zero talk 10:23, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
Just so you know, my username is actually kind of misleading. I'm not of the nationality suggested by it, though I can read the language in question. And I admit that I have not read any of those writings you discussed (though I'm certainly aware of Herder's work); however, they certainly do seem consistent with my point of view. I would say that my ideas come less, though, from any readings at all than from personal experience. Living in a foreign country has led my to constantly deal with wrong stereotypes of what everyone is sure my views are. And then there's just my deep-seated individualism. But either way. I guess it's a bit of a matra with me that state =/= people. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 00:57, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
So Stanley Fish has finally off most of his large collection of books, The question is, can a distraint order be placed on the proceeds, so that purchasers can get part of their money back for the missing 32 pages between pp.55-86 of his Doing What Comes Naturally, Clarendon Press, 1989? . . .On second thought, it dealt with Derrida, and was therefore probably a cheap rhetorical device to illustrate the principle of sous rature (and coincidentally save on print, ink and paper). No answer needed. Nishidani ( talk) 11:17, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
My mother always told me is "thank you." But strike if your modesty compels it. It's good work whoever did it, and synthesis is often more difficult than creation, or something like that.— alf laylah wa laylah ( talk) 17:49, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
Please do not attack other editors, as you did to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Israeli Violations of the Ceasefire of 21 November, 2013 (2nd nomination). Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. p b p 20:43, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
Readers of Kant, using one of the standard versions, will encounter language like this:-
(1) 'By transcendental idealism I mean the doctrine that appearances are to be regarded as being, one and all, representations only, not things in themselves, ,'Patricia Kitcher, Kant's "Critique of Pure Reason":Critical Essays Rowman & Littlefield 1998, p.194
Kant in his Critique of Pure Reason writes:
(2)'Ich verstehe aber unter dem tranzendentalen Idealism aller Erscheinungen den Lehrbegriff, nach welchem wir sie ingesamt als bloße Vorstellungen, und nicht als Dinge an sich selbst,ansehen . .'Jens Timmermann (hrsg.) Immanuel Kant, Kritik der reinen Vernunft, Felix Meiner Verlag, 1998 p.484 (A369)
In Werner S.Pluhar’s recent translation, the same key passage runs:
'By transcendental idealism of all appearances I mean the doctrinal system whereby we regard them, one and all, as mere presentations and not as things in themselves’ Immanuel Kant, Critique of Pure Reason, Hackett Publishing Co., Indianapolis, Cambridge 1996 p.401
As one can see here the form -copula+infinitive+past participle - is not futurative. It is a passive form used stylistically in preference to the active present tense in which the subject (a generic 'we') stands out, rather as one writes 'One' instead of 'we'. This erasure of a presumptive collective subject in favour of a neutral passive mood, is as common in philosophical texts as it is in legal discourse.
Gerald James Larson Karl Harrington Potter, Ram Shankar Bhattacharya (eds.), Sāṃkhya: A Dualist Tradition in Indian Philosophy, (Encyclopedia of Indian Philosophies, vol.4 Princeton University Press ,1993) Motilal Banarsidass 1987 p.231 If effects are 'to be regarded as of one kind, then in the absence of a specific type of cause the effect could be produced.'
In these cases one is not advised to assume a form of cognition in the future, but rather to frame what would be the case under certain conditions, or to commend the proper way to interpret or perceive matters whose status is subject to doubt or various hypotheses. Nishidani ( talk) 21:42, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
Please stop with the personal attacks on Talk:Itamar. This includes making accusations about my behavior and motives without evidence and insulting my command of the English language, both of which are personal attacks according to Wikipedia guidelines. -- 1ST7 ( talk) 19:02, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
I (1ST7)said that you wrote that two settlers murdered a Palestinian man (your text read "Farid Musa Issa Nasasrah from Beit Furik was murdered near Itamar by two settlers") when it was never proven that he was killed by settlers, as the only two who were charged were released for insufficient evidence.
‘In the Nablus area, next to the settlement Itamar, two settlers murdered a Palestinian, Fareed Nassasra, a resident of Beit-Fourik, and wounded three others.’Daniel Dor, Intifada Hits the Headlines: How the Israeli Press Misreported the Outbreak of the Second Palestinian Uprising, Indiana University Press, 2004 p.11.
(a) Farid Mussa 'Issa Nesasreh.28 year-old resident of Beit Furik, Nablus district, killed on 17.10.2000 in Beit Furik, Nablus district. Additional information: Killed by a settler from Itamar while harvesting olives near the settlement. B'tselem, 'Palestinians killed by Israeli civilians in the West Bank, 29.9.2000 - 31.10.2012,'
Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. -- 1ST7 ( talk) 21:04, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
At Yitzhar's talk page, a query was raised some time back about a report in Arutz Sheva that Palestinians exploited shabbat to attack settlers. User:Ajnem asked:
his lawyer questioned the plaintiff regarding the fact he had filmed the event on Sabbath, whereupon the settler replied that he had a rabbinical ruling on halakha or Jewish law, which determined that Sabbath may be desecrated if the aim is to stop a goy from stealing hay and straw, as were the Palestinians in the area, which belonged to the settlers. Nawi was convicted by the Magistrate's court and sentenced to probation and a fine of NIS 500. It emerged that the halakhic judgement had been written by the plaintiff's father a day before the trial. On appeal, the conviction was overturned by a District Court when his lawyer Lea Tsemel showed that the land concerned was owned by Palestinians.' Cheers. Nishidani ( talk) 08:59, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
This article was deleted on the strength of a split 8/7 vote (counting keep and move and merge votes). The problem now is that one (putting aside User:IranitGreenberg's vote: he was topic banned two days later for POV pushing) of the deciding votes was by User:Soosim, who, it emerges from today's Haaretz, was operating on behalf of NGO Monitor, i.e. abusing wikipedia to promote an agenda. Questions were raised about the propriety of that closure (delete). Is this a grounds for reconsidering the issue with a request for undeletion? As it stands, at least one of the 8 was voting in terms, not of policy, but as part of a political battle against any media that harms what they believe to be Israel (or Zionist) interests. Nishidani ( talk) 16:44, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
-- Al Ameer son ( talk) 06:40, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
No, if a person moves to another place (where he wasn't born), he's an immigrant. It's a matter of facts, not opinions. Arafat was born in Egypt, it doesn't matter where his parents came from. With the same arbitrary criteria, there aren't Jewish immigrants in Israel because their ancestors supposedly came from there in the first place. As you can see, this reasoning is absurd. If you don't like the fact that the PLO leader wasn't born in Palestine, it's your problem, not mine.-- Michael Zeev ( talk) 19:49, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
Since you have over 100 edits at Charles Dickens, you might want to participate in the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Novels#Derivative_works_and_cultural_references_templates regarding including navigation boxes for adaptations of and related subjects to an authors works on the author's bio page.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 16:13, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
I lost track of how many times I warned you about this sort of behavior. So as per your request, see: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Nishidani No More Mr Nice Guy ( talk) 08:10, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi Nishidani,
I wonder what "hearsay" did you mean in this comment " and Russian Eurasia(300,000 non Jewish Russians) according to hearsay some 3400 years ago"? Thanks. 94.76.244.157 ( talk) 01:31, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
Still waiting on your input regarding the comparative attention to be given the various existing and proposed sources. Also, you might find Keilana's comments rather interesting as well. John Carter ( talk) 21:30, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
Hello again everyone. Now that the Jerusalem RfC has been closed and there has been time for the dust to settle, I thought it would be a good time to start step six of the moderated discussion. If you could leave your feedback over at the discussion page, it will be most appreciated. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 09:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
I submitted another editor's work to the admin, but my form ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Tritomex_reported_by_User:MVictorP_.28Result:_.29) is less than perfect, owing to the fact that I am a noob. I want to do things right, however, but I am pressed for time. Can you help me with my synthax? Of course ignore if this is bothering you. MVictorP ( talk) 13:26, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
I have to say I agree with you about the problems of Christianity and Judaism, and even, which might surprise you, how obnoxiously arrogant and self-righteous both have historically been (along with Islam) in dealing with anyone else. I commented to I think Dougweller some time ago, maybe in private e-mail, that we need to differentiate between "Israelite religion" and "Judaism", like the reference sources do. Adding some more information about the sometimes obvious ties to other Mesopotamian and other religions as well. The only way I can really think to do that is to get together as many academic sources, either reference or college-level texts, together for everyone to review. The sources ALA has called "outstanding reference sources" are not necessarily the best, and they even indicate in their statements that being "user-friendly" is one of their main selection criteria, but I hope that they also try to ensure that those which have real serious content problems don't get included. And, by and large, the reference department of libraries tend to prioritize buying them, so most of them should also be comparatively easily available. I just finished yesterday going through an itemized list of the articles and subarticles of the 2nd edition of EoR for the letter "I". The subject and sub-subject summary for just that one letter in that one source winds up being about 18 pages long in Word, which is why they aren't getting produced and added here as fast as I would like. But I am still working on them. That source, which has clear University of Chicago Eliade bias, and the RGG/Religion Past and Present, which has clear Religionsgeschichtlicheschule bias, might even not themselves be able to get together a really fair article between them, but with the others we might be able to get something getter. Also, FWIW, the old Hastings ERE has a lot of content on even the religions of peoples who had been exterminated prior to its publishing. I'm not at all sure if your own beliefs, whatever they are in the broad field of "paganism" are covered there, but I know most of the indigenous religion material around here either doesn't exist or basically sucks at present, but I certainly would have no reservations about maybe trying to give them some material here, if you wanted any help. This is, by the way, not an attempt to try to get you to change your opinions. It is just, unfortunately, based on the bad level of content on most religious subjects we have here. John Carter ( talk) 18:20, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi Nishidani,
would you have reads reliable sources stating that the aim of this operation was to poison wells of Tel Aviv and it was instigated by the Mufti ? Except Bar Zohar (whose reliability on this topic is relative).
Thank you, Pluto2012 ( talk) 20:11, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
For whatever reason, the various numerous attempts to upload the old Hastings Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics from archive.org to the wikimedia commons over the past two weeks have all failed miserably. I remember that you tend to spend some significant periods of time on the computer, possibly long enough to maybe upload them in the background while doing other things. If you would want to commit yourself to dealing with such lengthy files, having them there would make it possible to put the articles from them on WikiSource, and even though some of them are really appalling by modern standards, like "Aborigines", a lot of the others, like Poussin's articles on Buddhism, have been called in reviews of more recent encyclopedias maybe the best things ever written on the subject. The article on Theosophy, written by Mme. Blavatsky I think, is another article from that source still considered a bit of a high water mark in the field. If you have time, and I know from experience how much time that can take in this matter. John Carter ( talk) 18:30, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
Here is an interesting opinion piece on why we need to take a more multilingual approach to our scholarship to avoid Anglo-centric bias. Ignocrates ( talk) 02:04, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Greetings Nishidani. I hope all is well with you. Can you take some time out of your busy life to review the Gospel of the Ebionites article? JC has expressed some concerns about it on the talk page Talk:Gospel of the Ebionites#Question of POV, and I would like to get your perspective. Please leave any comments or constructive criticisms you may have to futher improve the article below Talk:Gospel of the Ebionites#WP:FAR. There is a good chance this article is going to WP:FAR, and I would like to be as prepared as possible. Thank you. Ignocrates ( talk) 18:11, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
The delegate is asking participants for a succinct summary at Wikipedia:Featured_article_review/Gospel_of_the_Ebionites/archive1 if you would care to comment. Ignocrates ( talk) 22:05, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
As you are in the process of reviewing the article, can you also help out with the removal of tendentious tags? Thanks. Ignocrates ( talk) 18:34, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
Can you take a minute to weigh in with a WP:3O at Talk:Gospel of the Ebionites#Neutrality tag? The discussion is about the proper weight for the Boismard material. I changed my summary of the ABD article to a direct quote of Petersen in a note. Should this content be (1) a minority view in the main text, (2) a tiny minority view in a note (as it is currently), or (3) not even worth mentioning (perhaps included as a citation or not even that much)? Thanks in advance. Ignocrates ( talk) 18:40, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
I wonder if you would have a few minutes to have a look at the above article. A few suggestions could go a long way and the importance of the article is pretty obvious.-- Andrew Lancaster ( talk) 19:29, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi. I just saw that the entire old Hastings Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics is now uploaded to commons, which means that I can start adding some of the articles to WikiSource. I have gotten at least a few articles ready for there, but have also found that they tend to use a lot of foreign characters with which I am at best dubiously familiar, including a lot with "special characters" which don't appear in my word processing program. If and when I add them to WikiSource, after a bit further review myself, would you be perhaps interested in maybe checking on whether I am using the correct characters in some of these cases, if I give you the page number of the article from the original and a link to the file that the material appeared in originally? John Carter ( talk) 16:56, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
Suggest you look at Talk:1920 Nebi Musa riots. Zero talk 10:21, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
Your name was mentioned here WP:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard#Gospel of the Ebionites in case you want to add anything. This is still about Marie-Émile Boismard and his conjecture about a Hebrew gospel source underlying the Gospel of_the Ebionites#Relationship to other texts. Maybe you can bring some clarity to this seemingly-never-ending dispute over neutrality. Best. Ignocrates ( talk) 22:18, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
-- Al Ameer ( talk) 16:44, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
Anyone can read Haaretz premium articles if they look at their print version, which is done by replacing the url up to the .premium final part with the text " http://www.haaretz.com/misc/article-print-page/". For example, to view the "Archaeologists race to save Gaza's ancient ruins" article, edit the original URL, http://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/.premium-1.542490, to http://www.haaretz.com/misc/article-print-page/.premium-1.542490 . ← ZScarpia 20:19, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
The template is suppose to only display when the page is actually protected. I have removed it manually. -- KTC ( talk) 09:13, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi. This is about the "Uses by Antisemites..." section in the Khazars article, an article I know you invested a lot of time in, and did a quality job IMO. My problem is - I can't read you on the Talk page. I can read the words but I can't figure what you think, subject-wise. On one hand you attack the omnipresence debates about Jewish matters that pervert many little-related articles, and on the other you defend it in a drone-like manner, stressing the importance of the law's letter rather than its spirit. Just telling it to me square would simplify things a lot.
I intent to correct the disputed part myself if I have no reasons not to do it. I think I did communicate mine enough, and I think rational opposition to them has been little to inexistant. Thanks in advance! MVictorP ( talk) 13:45, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
Controversy surrounds modern theories on a hypothetical Khazarian diaspora's possible impact on the formation of Ashkenazi Jewry, an argument that has lent itself occasionally also to polemics regarding Antisemitism.
I will pass over the condescendance (I don't think it affects me like you believe it would) to tell you this: The Khazarian hypothesis (and its ancestries) has been adopted ("adopted" doesn't meaning the said hypothesis were true nor false) mainly by people whose purpose was to attenuate anti-semitism before the advent of zionism. Post-zionism, the hypothesis could still be used to diminish the logic of antisemitism, but this was overshadowed by the fact that it lessened Jewish claims on Palestine based on their genetics - zionism.
I don't need to bring you sources or documentation for that, have I? Of course I could, but that would be rethorics. Besides, you know it it is true, truer and more objective than the dressed-up shit that's still in the article. The point is: the section is a political one in an article where there shouldn't be any.
Ask yourself what the disputed section bring to the article, versus what its removal would do. I for one believe that it is much more of a political debate than a neutral one. And thanks for you polite correspondence. MVictorP ( talk) 15:04, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
I know that you are probably not looking forward to this, but I think it would be useful if someone were to review the relevant academic sources relating to the topic of the above article. Specifically, I have seen more than one source which says that the works discussed by Jerome and the others as the GotH almost certainly were not the same work, and seem to have been written in different languages, and I do not see that reflected in the content of the article as it stands. I could be wrong, but that is the basis for my request for your review of material, if you so desire. John Carter ( talk) 18:44, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
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Maybe of interest. Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Louis-Fr.C3.A9d.C3.A9ric_Nussbaum_.28trans._K.C3.A4the_Roth.29.2C_Japan_Encyclopedia Zero talk 08:50, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi! Your posting was one of the most thought-out and reasoned comments I've read on Wikipedia for a long time, and all of your points were most welcome. I think your participation on Talk:Battle of Shigisan would probably be even more welcome/relevant. My replies to your many points, though, would likely clutter up that thread more than is necessary, so I'm going to reply here.
The Hyakunin isshu translation is certainly a blooper; the Ariwara no Narihira mispelling just editorial oversight on a lapsus calami;
You're right there. The Hyakunin Isshu issue is not a problem for me. I wrote my dissertation on the topic and have quick and easy access to hundreds of better sources, so if someone shows up and adds bogus material on the subject and cites Nussbaum, I won't have much difficulty fixing it. Narihira is a bigger problem. The "Narihara" misspelling is very widespread, and I suspect the Nussbaum (possibly the original French) to be the source of it. GBooks indicates that since the English version of Nussbaum was published, incidences of the "Narihara" spelling have increased nine-fold, whereas the number of books giving the correct spelling has only tripled. [2] [3] [4] [5] A fairly significant incident took place between September 2012 and February 2013 involving me and another user, and that user's attempts to cite as a source someone who genuinely believes it is "Narihara". [6] [7] To this day that user is claiming that a page in which I pointed out that this was wrong was an "attack page", even though the real reason it got deleted was that I discovered RSN and realized I didn't need subpages anymore. Basically what I'm saying is it would save us a whole lot of trouble if Wikipedia wasn't forced to include misspellings that appear in "reliable sources" without referring to them as misspellings unless such has appeared in other reliable sources. Wikipedia is actually a more widely-used resource than Nussbaum, and so even without violating WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS we actually can slow the spread of disinformation by preventing the inclusion of inaccurate data.
on a thing like Kujiki, a generic source like Frédéric cannot be used because it is subject to academic dispute, and in these instances, one must always have recourse to secondary specialist sources, never tertirary sources that push on opinion;
Actually, there isn't much of an active debate. Virtually all scholars say it was composed in 806-936, with some variation on whether the preface (and the false attribution to Prince Shotoku) was original or added later. Some scholars, who appear to be on the fringe even though User:Shii appears to agree with them, claim the work work originate in the 8th century, but there's a reason no general reference work gives any significant weight to their arguments. After carefully researching all this, I was floored by Nussbaum's 1644 claim (which, I failed to note on RSN, fits nicely with his claim that the Tsugibumi was written exactly 1,000 years earlier). I also hope by "never tertirary sources that push on opinion", you mean books written by one person who is not a specialist in the area and relied on secondary sources. I used several tertiary sources in order to establish due weight on the matter, since Shii had written the article based on secondary sources that appear to be in the minority.
'The battle of Shigisen' is English usage, yet 信貴山 is read 'Shigisan' in modern Japan. I don't think he should be used here either, and I don't think indeed that that English wiki article bears a proper title: its only justification is that none of the other current Japanese terms have stabilized to allow one to be ascendent.
You are right, of course, and if this was Hijiripedia the article would probably be merged into Soga no Umako or Mononobe no Moriya, since it appears that virtually no reliable sources in either English or Japanese have given the battle a name. GBooks and GScholar searches indicate that all the Japanese names are extremely obscure. [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] Absolutely nothing about the incident is known beyond a 2-page description in the Nihon Shoki.
A cursory glance at this obscure episode (the Nihonshoki doesn't appear to name it, by the way (Sakamoto Tarō, Ienaga Saburō, Inoue Mitsusada, Ōno Susumu (eds.)Nihon Shoki, Iwanami Koten Bungaku Taikei 68, vol.2 pp154-171, unless my quick glance through it missed something, doesn't appear to mention any name for the battle.
You know, back when I was still arguing with Curtis and Phoenix over what the article should be called, I went to Aston's translation of the same, and he didn't give the battle a name either. We can be pretty sure based on our mutual searches that our one ancient source describing the incident doesn't give it a name, and the near-complete lack of any discussion under any "name" in either Japanese or English indicates that all the names are late creations. The Isshi Incident, on the other hand, took place only a few decades later, was in a way a kind of "sequel" to the Shigisan battle, is very well-established as a name, and said name follows the same pattern as the Japanese names for the Shigisan battle. I'd therefore be willing to guess that modern scholars borrowed the name of the Isshi Incident and created a similar name for the earlier incident. I noticed this by searching Japanese Wikipedia for "の変" and trying to find the earliest instance of it. Any chance you could check up Nihon Shoki to see if it mentions "乙巳の変" or some equivalent, or if the notes mention the name? The only Nihon Shoki I have access to at the moment is the English translation...
When was the term coined?
Do you mean the Japanese ones? Or the English name? As far as I can tell, English Wikipedia is the closest thing to a reliable source that refers to it by the name "the Battle of Shigisan", and most of our best sources merely describe it as a battle that took place at Mount Shigi (or Shigi-sen). As I noted above, the Japanese terms are likely all just as made-up as the English ones, but "丁未の変" at least follows a certain logic in tying it in with "乙巳の変".
One thing I do know is that this was undoubtedly the traditional reading of an ancient text source, because
- George Sansom,A History of Japan to 1334, (1958)1974 p.49
- Edmond Papinot, Historial and Geographical Dictionary of Japan, (1899,1906,1910) Tuttle reprint 1972 sub. Soga no Umako, p.597
- James Murdoch,History of Japan, 1903, p.137
- Charles William Hepner, The Kurozumi Sect of Shinto, 1935 p.9
Now all of those extremely erudite Meiji (or close to Meiji) Japanologues write 'Shigisen', and it is not a slip but reflects, undoubtedly, their transcription of original sources, as edited by Japanese scholars.
My reasoning for agreeing with you is that my kanji dictionary says that the kan-on is さん and the go-on is せん, and other reliable sources tell me that kan-on came into being starting in the late-Nara period. Therefore, if this is true, then should the mountain be mentioned anywhere in the Kojiki, Nihon Shoki or Man'yōshū it would have been pronounced as せん, unless it's in a poem and pronounced やま. I'm reminded of that famous poem by Empress Jitō (again in the "Simple Poems by One Hundred Poets" :P ) that mentioned ama no kagu-yama. Also, we know Sansom knew more Japanese than to accidentally spell it "Shigisen" just because his Anglophone predecessors had, and it would be an unbelievable (and therefore unacceptable) coincidence to think that all these authorities just happened to accidentally misspell a word that they really knew was pronounced as "Shigisan", especially given the other evidence. Also, since you corrected my misprint on "its", I feel obliged to point out that Sansom may have been born in the Meiji period, his book in question was not "close to Meiji" by any stretch. If we had had this conversation in 2004, the book would have been published half-way between the end of Meiji and the present day. :P
If you pronounced that shigisen they’d probably hear that as a reference to the Kintetsu branch line from Kawachi-Yamamoto station (信貴線)!
Would I be right in assuming you joined me in Googling "しぎせん" to see what came up? :P
(a) it's pointless to have a blanket dismissal of a fairly good general encyclopedia
Why I'm not asking for the whole book to be dismissed. But I honestly find a new error every time I read an article in there in an area I have some knowledge of, and therefore I need to be able to remove the same mistakes if they show up on Wikipedia. If/when that happens I'll cite secondary sources written by specialists that directly contradict Nussbaum, of course!
(b) but on tricky issues, they should not be used, unless there is no other source.
I actually think that if there's a tricky issue, and no other source can be found, then the information should not be included in Wikipedia. If it's completely uncontroversial, and reliable Japanese sources all say the same thing, and Nussbaum is the only source in English, then I understand using an English source over a Japanese one, but not if a significant number of good Japanese sources contradict it.
Shigisan should really be, in my view, Shigisen, on the basis of the evidence above.
Talk:Battle of Shigisan is where this was being discussed, and it's largely winding down now after 3 moves in less than a week. If you want to open an RM and argue it out with Curtis and Phoenix, you can be my guest. I'll probably support you, of course. "Battle of Shigisan" isn't a Japanese name, and neither the kanji nor any discussion of their pronunciation currently appears on the consensus version of the page (I've convinced Phoenix on that point, but yet to implement it).
By the way 'Shigisen, sounds to me like it might have meant 'Snipe-Hill' (鷸)? Well, no matter. Just an idle thought.
The thought hadn't occurred to me, but I thought I might be able to prove Curtis wrong in his claim that no Japanese text pronounces it differently than しぎさん, if I could find some waka or the like that spelled it しぎのやま or しぎやま. I then found that there is apparently another mountain (in Fukushima Prefecture, I think) called 鴫山 (しぎやま). You may well be right in believing 信貴 is just 'ateji, so.
Cheers.
Hijiri 88 ( 聖 やや) 12:29, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
Minasan, both the English and Japanese texts of Nihon Shoki can be searched here. You can browse the text there too. Zero talk 03:08, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
Any chance you could check up Nihon Shoki to see if it mentions "乙巳の変" or some equivalent, or if the notes mention the name? The only Nihon Shoki I have access to at the moment is the English translation...
To search at that site you have to select English or Japanese from a drop-down menu. It does work. Zero talk 12:46, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
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Will it be possible for you to reply to the volunteer question at DRN- Kfar Etzion massacre ? Ykantor ( talk) 04:05, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
Nishidani, it's not like you don't have enough to do, but do you intend to complete your independent review of the GEbi article at some point now that FAR is closed? If so, it might be useful to let the Arbitration Committee know about that now that the John Carter case is going to be accepted (and probably renamed). That nugget of information will matter, particularly if they decide to quick-close the case by motion, as the issue of an independent review was raised during the request for arbitration. Thanks. Ignocrates ( talk) 18:42, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
SOB SOB PALESTINIANS SOB ='(.
Irrelevant. The whole notion of Judaization of Jerusalem is absurd. It's a propaganda campaign being waged by the PA and the waqf to deny any Jewish history in the city. Also, your userpage says that you're retired, but apparently you meant to write "Retarded". =) 174.44.174.192 ( talk) 09:40, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
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I am having some difficulty finding exactly where you made a comment in which you referred to several of the leading recent sources relating to the Gospel of the EbionitesHebrews discussing the work of a Dominican of about a 100 year ago relating to the Gospel. Do you remember where you made it, as I believe it is relevant evidence?
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Greetings, old chap. As you can see, I tidied up the article a bit, but it could do with a few wikilinks elsewhere. AWB wanted to put an orphan tag on it, but I stopped it doing so, despite what the (automatic) edit summary says. Perhaps you could add a few links to him, as I think you are better placed to do so than I am? Thanks.
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It seems that the discussion is stuck, and the next step is wp:drn. Please have a look at [16] Ykantor ( talk) 12:55, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
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Would welcome any comments you might have one the proposed decisions in this case. I personally would be very interested in any opinions on the possibility of some sort of guidelines for content under discretionary sanctions and guidelines for religious content as well, although I must admit that is more of a persona request. John Carter ( talk) 16:46, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for this. I have done all I can do. The rest is up to the Arbs. Ignocrates ( talk) 17:20, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
Hello my friend,
Could you please have a look at this article. It was written by an Israeli contributor and I think English is not his first language. Your support would be more than welcome :-) Pluto2012 ( talk) 19:49, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
Your last edit left a partial sentence. Also please review my deletion about the women and children, since I can't see the source. The information is in another section already. Zero talk 13:13, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
I've started work on the old EB article on the Mandaens, starting at wikisource:Page:EB1911 - Volume 17.djvu/571 and following pages. Unfortunately, it uses a lot of Greek and Hebrew characters, and I don't know either really well, and the resolution on the side-by-side display isn't enough for me to be able to really be sure of getting the right ones. If you have any interest in maybe checking on them, it would be greatly appreciated. John Carter ( talk) 19:24, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
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...for a short translation : here ? Pluto2012 ( talk) 06:14, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
I also appreciate your comment in the same AE case Nish, particularly the concluding statement. Maybe at least the topic area can strive to become an abode of peace. MichaelNetzer ( talk) 00:12, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
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I feel the need to say, I edit on Wikipedia 100% independently. I don’t know what the outcome of this report will be, but what I do know is that I’m going to let as many people as possible know about the biased articles and editings that are taking place on Wikipedia by them. Currently, in too many Israeli-Palestinian related articles, a few users with a certain opinion always outnumber their opposing sides in discussions and votings. So the least I can do, besides fighting over it, is inform people of the situation. Regardless of the result of this report, I’ll be paying close attention to Nishidani and Zero0000’s activity, and I kindly ask more people to do the same thing for the sake of Wikipedia’s future. The articles the two consistently edit, especially Nishidani, will also be better watched by me and hopefully others.(No diff link available due to its erasure, but = 17:29, 25 October 2013 (diff | hist) . . (+11,927) . . Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents (→A report against two users for their violations: new section). Nishidani ( talk) 16:09, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
You know guys, everything in my life has been going so great recently from so many aspects, I'm just not going to let a group of hard left-wing wikipedians spoil another successful day of mine. A few of you need to keep this kind of hatred to yourself, it won't get you far other than infect more people with it. Amazing how so many of you just "happened" to go to Nishidani's talk page in the past 24 hours, and then ambush me. Of course none of you wants to address any of the numerous charges which I demonstrated with clear links with diffs in my report against Zero0000 and Nishidani. If you all dare to falsely accuse me of having gone through "professional training", calling me a "trol", and trying to insult me in other ways here, then you don't have the right to tell me not to say what I think about Nishidani, or "be honest", as Zero0000 said when he called Tritomex the worst editor he's met in 11 years on Wikipedia. Because what you did before is called double standard, a term very often associated with Israel interestingly... Sooner or later I'll file a case at WP:SPI against Nishidani and the sockpuppets I believe to have been at his possession. You can now keep saying your pathetic gossip about my, keep degrading yourselves, I'm outta here to enjoy this Saturday night in Tel Aviv :) Yambaram ( talk) 21:50, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
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Lots of points to respond to. Nice to know you also had good times over here, I had assumed you've been to Israel in the past. I chose that specific diff and wrote "because of this!" for I just thought it was an excellent example to show that extreme POV-pushing and a twist of the truth, for which you were even punished. You claim you refused to revert the truth, which I'm not going to investigate and I believe you, but as much as I'd like to
AGF on your side all the time, I know there's sometimes more behind it. Sean.hoyland, thank you for your input, I like these tips and even implement them often, or at least keep them in mind. If you were suggesting that I change my views because they aren't right, then I just ask of you to try understanding other peoples' opinion, without necessarily agreeing with them. I do hope we both learn at least one thing from this discussion. I'll report the sockpuppets anyway, because I'm not the only one suspecting and because I myself donated money to the wikimedia foundation so I can allow myself you use these precious resources once. With regard to the references I made (hard left wing, hatred) I intentionally said it was only a few of you, don't worry Sean.hoyland of course I see that you're balanced. However, Lazyfoxx, Liz, and Pluro2012 talked trash and behaved like it too. And it tells a thing or two about their personality. You also said that I shouldv'e written to Nishidani on his talk page to express my concern, so I'll do it now also, as well as possible: Nishidani, if I may guess, I imagine you as a middle aged British man of Palestinian decent, possibly the son of refugees with relatives in Palestine. I think your political opinion leans toward the radical left anti-Zionist side, so much that it becomes anti-Jewish too. What's my point here? You can have your own beliefs, but it's being reflected in your editing, and affecting not less than millions of wikipedia readers. You're not only editing articles in a pro-Palestinian way, but it's been months now since you started promoting the theory that Ashkenazi Jews are for the most part Khazar converts, and almost no one is able to stand in your way, as you deliberately edit the pages "Ashkenazi Jews", "Khazars", and "Genetic studies on Jews". A naive reader could think that nearly all Jews, and Ashkenazim in particular, are converts, mainly from Khazars. Thus, they'd think, these Jews have no right to the land of Israel whatsoever, as they're also presented terribly in Israeli-Arab related articles. You want that happening and you manage to do it. (In reality, this Khazar theory may be true for as little as 5% of all Jews, but you're shaping in an un-NPOV way, and that I have a problem with). This is it, serious injustice is taking place, and I as well as others hate injustice. A disclosure, I'm an Ashkenazi Jewish Israeli who deeply cares about my country, so just imagine how I feel when I see these false delegitimizations of the reality. It's destroying me from the inside and is in the process of destroying my country and people from the outside. Antisemites and Israel haters all over the world look for this kind of information and devour it, and those who promote these theories on Jews and provide it to them, without reporting it in a balanced way, also have blood on their hands when the results start to appear, even if they didn't directly participate in the violence. I cannot ask you to not edit specific articles, but I'm frustrated with the path it's all going, it's a sensitive topic for me and so I know I may sound a bit silly. I'll try to spend some time this week and go over the three articles I mentioned, to ensure neutral and better quality.
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Yambaram ( talk) 23:02, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
Here's the bit I don't get: Why would any grown and educated person waste a minute "engaging" with a self-described teenager/right wing Israeli/resident of Tel Aviv whose command of written English is sub-standard and throws his weight around like, well, only a politically-motivated teenager can? The meta point is this is one of Wikipedia's biggest problems - yet the ignorant teenager is their most frequent customer. A true pickle. Dan Murphy ( talk) 23:23, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
(Was the great Eastern European Jewry of the 19th century preponderantly descended (as is normally believed) from immigrants from the Germanic lands further west who arrived as refugees in the later Middle Ages, bearing with them their culture? Or did these new immigrants find already on their arrival a numerically strong Jewish life, on whom they were able to impose their superior culture, including even their tongue (a phenomenon not unknown at other times and places – as for example in the 16 century, after the arrival of the highly cultured Spanish exiles in the Turkish Empire)?) Does the line of descent of Ashkenazi Jewry of today go back to a quasi autochthonous Jewry already established in these lands, perhaps even earlier than the time of the earliest Franco-German settlement in the Dark Ages? This is one of the mysteries of Jewish history, which will probably never been solved’ Cecil Roth in Cecil Roth, I. H. Levine (eds.) The World History of the Jewish People: The Dark Ages, Jews in Christian Europe, 711-1096, Volume 11 Jewish historical publications, 1966 pp.302-303
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How come you so-called "progressives" never demonize Bangladesh for its illegal Muslim settlements and actual real genocide of real indigenous peoples? See Genocide of indigenous peoples#Bangladesh. You people should focus on the real atrocities instead of getting distracted by Israel so much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enochkept1` ( talk • contribs) 07:33, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi Nishidani. You made great edits on Hebron but this one caused some formatting problems. I have corrected it now. The parameters which was removed are still there because they were also in the bibliography section, where they belong. However, you could look if something was wrongly removed and add it. Best regards. -- IRISZOOM ( talk) 17:34, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
Could you please let us know on Talk:Ashkenazi_Jews#NPOV.2FUNDUE_concerns_.2B_related_ethnic_groups if you agree with a less general rephrase of the sentence in the lead of Ashkenazi Jew, as per my latest proposal there? Debresser ( talk) 15:09, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
The first sentence you added to the article doesn't compute gramatically, specifically the part "the Israel High Court of Justice ruled that Yatta Palestinians... to withdraw their petition against the settlers who are alleged to have illegally seized the lands." Should the "to" be "should"? Number 5 7 15:44, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
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