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Hello. I am sorry not to discuss more with you on the topic. I really have very few know-how about this event. I suggest you undertake modifications you suggest and then submit them to Zero.
Good work ;-)
User:ChrisC 21:10, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry but (if classed as a terrorist act) isn't couched, it's justification, as if taking the position that it possibly may not be considered a terrorist act. The only place that it isn't considered a terrorist attack is in Israel. Just like the only place 9/11 isn't classed as a terrorist attack is around Bin Laden's campfire.
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G'day ZScarpia,
I didn't set out to remove anything from the Jewish Defense League article. I was doing RC patrol (attempting to scan all new changes to Wikipedia and remove vandalism, POV-pushing, defamation and other damaging material as soon as it's created), and I noticed what appeared to be an unregistered user's attempt at POV-pushing added to the JDL article. So, I clicked the little button admins see that says "rollback", and the changes were undone. However, looking at the changes in the cold light of a new day, they're not actually all that objectionable. So, I apologise for my hastiness, and I've reinstated the user's edits. fuddlemark ( fuddle me!) 00:49, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
I've replied to you here:
User_talk:Jaakobou#King_David_Hotel_bombing.
Cheers,
Jaakobou
Chalk Talk 04:30, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
I apologize. Not knowing the relevant literature at all well, I tried merely to copyedit. There was a lot a loose phrasing, and in tightening it, I appear to have made the wrong inference at that point (perhaps at others). Thanks for the note. Nishidani ( talk) 13:15, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Please refrain from adding your personal opinion to this page with your edit [1]. Please note this has now been removed by an administrator here [2] -- Rockybiggs ( talk) 12:14, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Apparently he's been warned for deleting other users' comments.
It might be worth requesting that he restore all deleted comments - I don't see how it is unreasonable that he do the work (or restoring). If he refuses, then - well, kick things up a notch. GrizzledOldMan ( talk) 06:40, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
Allora, dimmi. I'm full of advice, which I never follow, since I forget it as often as not. But if you're game, you can't really 'shoot'. Nonetheless, shoot. Nishidani ( talk) 21:33, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm looking for opinions and advice on what's been happening at the
King David Hotel bombing article.
Firstly, I've been trying to negotiate with an editor, Mr J, an acceptable form for a sentence which he objected to in the Terrorism section. Mr J has refused to give me direct answers to my questions and ended by commenting that he couldn't understand what I was trying to ask. I'm looking for an opinion on whether I wrote clearly and logically (in which case Mr J was just being an erse) or not.
Next, Mr C appeared and turned the article upside down. After I made some restorations, he appeared on the talkpage along with Mr H, talking about removing the Layout section and cutting down the Attempted Attack section and merging it with text elsewhere. They copied the text of the latter over to the
King David Hotel article, making it a mess in my opinion. They seem to have a real thing about getting rid of the heading (in fact, they seem to have a bit of a mania for getting rid of headings in general) of the Attempted attack section and (sub)merging the text elsewhere. The obvious reason for doing that is that they want to hide the information in that section as much as possible, but I can't see a reason why the information there would bother them overly. They do seem very keen to reduce the size of the article even though it isn't particularly long. The only reason that occurs to me is that they don't want information in the English Wikipedia article which isn't in the Hebrew version. Something else odd is that Mr H appears to have pulled some information from Thurston Clarke's book, so you'd expect him to have a reasonable grasp of the KDH bombing story, yet from the questions he's asking and some of the material he's been trying to insert, he obviously doesn't. I wondered if you would take a look at the article and the talkpage and tell me what you think and whether you think that I should be handling things differently?
The article seemed to become very popular suddenly. Do you know of any reason why?
Thanks. --
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Many thanks. -- ZScarpia ( talk) 09:29, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Sari Nusseibeh, Once Upon a Country, Halban, London 2009 p.41 Nishidani ( talk) 11:11, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Nableezy filed a report and it turned out User:Los Admiralos was a sockpuppet of User:NoCal100. While I have good instincts, I'm terrible at piecing the evidence together. But I do appreciate your trying to make it easier. Cheers. Tiamut talk 21:30, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
I know; I read that section. Among the other reasons why I have little tolerance for removing other users' comments you don't like, even if they are personal and negative, from talk pages other than your own is that a) it very often leads to exactly that sort of edit war as the original commentator restores it right back and b) the energies that go into the ensuing edit war would be far more productively used building consensus on how to improve the article. Daniel Case ( talk) 02:37, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
Agreed. It was just the idea that editors removing the most vile, vicious hate speech ... wouldn't be on the right side of policy that I was baulking at. It is conceivable that comments can cross a line beyond which their removal becomes beneficial. (Just in case you're interested, the Jayjg - deletion of comments section above illustrates one dispute over deleted comments, by the way) -- ZScarpia ( talk) 11:38, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for sticking up for me during my latest block. If there is anything I can do for you in the future just let me know. Factsontheground ( talk) 12:34, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
I think this is right. I'm not sure it's really notable that they were disguised. Presumably they didn't walk into the building wearing clothes that announced who they were! I just really disliked the "Wearing various types of disguises" language. And by-the-by it takes more than that to irritate me. NickCT ( talk) 18:39, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
I will answer you question about Masada 2000. First-of-all I have never visited the site neither before nor after it was mentioned at AN/I. I did not know about the site before I read about it in the post. I looked only at the differences mentioned in AN/I post in the wikipedia article itself, and very briefly. Only few of them were from Masada 2000, but I read the same stories about refugees in Jerusalem Post and in some books: please take a look at pages 289 and 288 Should I consider Jerusalem Post a racist site? I do not think so. Other edits were taken from American Thinker and Palestinian Media Watch, hardly racist sites either. I agree they are controversial, but I do not consider them to be neither racist nor hate speech. Once again, I am not talking about the site Masada 2000, only about the edits to the article that were made by Gilabrand. If you are to look at the thread, you will see that I was defending the actions of Gilabrand, but the only thing I said about the site in question was: "About Masada 2000. The site is not blacklisted on Wikipedia, so the user had the rights to refer to it.", and remember, when I said it, I only saw the edits added to the article, the very same edits that I knew about from the books I read before. Please also consider what me and Gilabrand felt, when we read the article that was written by the user. My heart is going out to people in Gaza in West Bank. They are suffering I know. The only thing in which our opinion is different from mine is that I believe they should look at Hamas and Islamic Jihad actions as for the main source of their sufferings. Israelis want peace, and I do too very, very much. I hope that answers your question. Please feel free to ask me more.-- Mbz1 ( talk) 10:15, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Ran HaCohen: Israel, a New Decade (10 April 2010) ... Am I being brainwashed? ← ZScarpia 15:45, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi ZScarpia. I just noticed you've started editing the Murder of Meredith Kercher (and checking sources)—excellent! I think that several of us who have been editing that page for a while are getting quite jaded by all the controversy and some serious incivility, which has hopefully stopped for the moment. So it's good to see someone else (you) taking an interest in the page. Cheers. Bluewave ( talk) 21:31, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
Please stop. If you continue to use talk pages such as Talk:Israel and the apartheid analogy for inappropriate discussion, you may be blocked. For your unsolicited comments on this talk page, including this inflammatory and wholly inappropriate comment: "Probably, neo-Nazis would be pleased about the differentiation between Jewish and German nationality." Plot Spoiler ( talk) 13:47, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Worse things have happen... Don't worry, be happy Plot Spoiler ( talk) 02:32, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Please pardon my opacity, but I don't know what this comment means:
Scotch-Irish is the most commonly used term for the descendants of Scots who migrated to North America, but lately Scots-Irish has begun to gain currency among those who know that Scotch is considered offensive in Scotland. Oh dearie me, don't say you weren't warned!
Yopienso ( talk) 02:17, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
I would like to invite you to join a centralized discussion at WP:IPCOLL to contribute any thoughts you might have regarding Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration/Current Article Issues/Archive 6#Multiple articles - the founding myths of Israel harlan ( talk) 03:03, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
The request for mediation concerning Israel and the apartheid analogy, to which you were are a party, has been accepted. Please watchlist the case page (which is where the mediation will take place). If you have any questions, please contact me.
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As a contributor at the MoMK article and/or talk page, please take a look at the new draft and the draft's talkpage and voice your opinion. Thanks, The Magnificent Clean-keeper ( talk) 20:17, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
Please see here for the thread. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 10:12, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
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Just an FYI, we are running a straw poll on title choices on the mediation page - see Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2010-04-14/Israel_and_the_apartheid_analogy#Straw_poll_on_titles. If you pitch in a vote or three, we can move this along. -- Ludwigs2 06:00, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
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Thanks for that little bit of striking. I obviously hit a raw nerve. BTW are you talking a step back. In notice that over the last couple of days, you're only doing minimal comments on talk pages.-- Peter cohen ( talk) 13:53, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
I have been searching for a long time for this book. -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 21:14, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
I was intrigued by this edit of yours: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk:Preemptive_war&diff=399148953&oldid=397432537 What was the article, and do you think the content might be a useful addition to the article on the Six-Day War and its kinship? Shoplifter ( talk) 23:41, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
re your note on Nishidani's page. He will be away until February. Paul B ( talk) 23:07, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Given your apparent general interest in the Arab-Israeli conflict, perhaps you will find this article of interest. I began a major upheaval of it some two weeks ago and the current version is about 8/10 my work. It's a fascinating story the consequences of which are still felt today. My nearest goal is to make it GA status. If you do read it, all edits and/or criticism are more than welcome. You can find me in #wikipedia-en and #wikipedia-ipcoll on irc.freenode.net. Thanks! :-) Shoplifter ( talk) 09:25, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
Read. All the best. ← ZScarpia 03:36, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Further to the Arbitration Enforcement complaint you submitted today [3], and to the comment I made there, I would ask that you please endeavour to use edit summaries when editing in future. Edit summaries, as you might know, assist your fellow editors in figuring out what is happening on an article without having to examine in detail each diff; and it is especially useful to uninvolved administrators who are reviewing problematic exchanges of edits on articles (and whom you probably don't want to annoy! :P). If you struggle to remember to leave an edit summary, you can check the "Prompt me when entering a blank edit summary" box in the "Editing" tab of Special:Preferences. Thanks and regards, AGK [ • 16:50, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi ZScarpia, I'd like to thank you for the comment you made on AE. You've got it right, and it was really kind of you to make this appeal. Best wishes.-- Mbz1 ( talk) 05:39, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
You said [4] "rather than delete material better to add the part that balances it". But at the same time, you had just deleted a balancing part in parathesis from this source [5]. Perhaps you would like to take the issue to the talk page where you will find that I had already added some remarks when editing about the misuse of the interview in the article? In the circumstances meanwhile could I suggest you self-revert out of courtesy, since your undo seems out of order? -- BozMo talk 14:11, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
Why have you decided to delete the description of the case with forbidden (according to the SA law) sex of white woman and black man? It seems very impressive
-- LReit ( talk) 18:47, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
I'm waiting for you comments here LReit ( talk) 12:06, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
After re-reading my response on Talk:Richard Goldstone, I decided it could have been phrased much better. My intent was to point you to reassurances that you were not completely alone in your opinion. I did not mean to sound like I was chastising you for not reviewing all the archived discussions on the page, something which I myself rarely have either the time or the inclination to do. Apologies for the lack of clarity. Fat&Happy ( talk) 02:21, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
Thank you very much for the useful links on my user talkpage and for pointing out my mistake. It was highly appreciated. Poyani ( talk) 22:33, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Hey! I'm looking to de-redlink this template and I wonder if you could assist me with your valued opinion and shared knowledge on these questions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict#1985_PLO_ships_bombing Shoplifter ( talk) 11:04, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
Seeing as you've assembled an impressive array of sources, perhaps you could assist me in finding a stellar reference for the lede to this article. I would like to further clarify what the "final status" issues are, and buttress this with a solid source. To my knowledge, the Declaration of Principles that was agreed upon as part of the Oslo Accords affirms that the issues of borders, settlements, Jerusalem and refugees are to be decided at permanent status negotiations. From what I've read, security concerns are usually bundled together with the dispute over borders. Some sources also list water rights as an issue that was postponed during the Oslo talks to be included in negotiations on final status arrangements. Shoplifter ( talk) 23:21, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
No problem; I looked at the articles and merge suggestions and got confused, so figured I'd leave it to others. Cheers, Tom Harrison Talk 23:44, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
Scarpia, The Oxford English Dictionary, Chambers Dictionary Collins Dictionary, Roget's, the BBC, The Guardian, the Daily Telegraph all recognise the word 'elder'. In fact the Daily Telegraph, Terry Gifford , Hughes biographer and Oxford University Press use the word to write about Hughes himself. If you feel sure it isn't an English term, perhaps consider contacting them to discuss it further. Best wishes Span ( talk) 21:10, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
You were engaged in a previous conversation on this topic, please join the ongoing discussion here. Greyshark09 ( talk) 15:49, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
Hey, I saw your edit on the British mandate for Palestine lead. While I think it is an improvement, my question is this:- was there ever a single "geopolitical polity" that was "sanctioned" by the British Mandate for Palestine (legal instrument). Or was it in fact that the MfP legal instrument (along with the transjordan memorandum) sanctioned the creation of two geopolitical entities - Palestine and Transjordan (which were never administered as a single polity during the mandate period). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dlv999 ( talk • contribs) 10:56, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
Dear ZScarpia,
Thank you for your suggestion. I have reverted the article on the King David Hotel bombing. The article on Sir John Shaw covers the situation well. He was my father and as a fifteen year old schoolboy,I with my younger brother was flown from England to Palestine with other children of the personnel both of the mandatory government and the Iraq Petroleum Company arriving just a week after the bombing at the end of July 1946. Regards,
Jeremy Shaw John Jeremy Shaw ( talk) 20:01, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for your helpful comments re: tone. 86.12.129.12 ( talk) 13:39, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi ZScarpia, please could you kindly take a look at the demerged article British Mandate for Palestine (legal instrument)? I know that you and Greyshark (who I have also messaged) took self-imposed leave from the debate, but you are both knowledgeable on the subject so your input would be very helpful. Oncenawhile ( talk) 18:56, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
I'm guessing by now you've seen
WP:UP#POLEMIC. In that effect, you should undo your operation here
[6] or the matter will be brought for administrative consideration.
p.s. I trust you don't need someone explaining to you why content such as "It is not enough for the [[Israeli settlements|settler]] to delimit physically" , and "Hath not a Palestinian eyes?" is otherwise inappropriate.
Warm regards,
Jaakobou
Chalk Talk 06:52, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
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I will amend my comments concerning the blocks, and will not ignore this point. I am currently editing from my phone, so am unable to properly do so just yet. Thank you for your patience.
Best Wishes
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Your lynx-eyed attention is required at Murder of Shalhevet Pass to evaluate the status of my edit. It may be pure scruple: I am sure that if one edits a page, and then someone just automatically reverts you, you are entitled to one revert per day. Work on the page didn't revert anyone. I just brough the page at several points in line with sources. The predictable revert challenge occurred. I examined the nature of that revert and the additional material adduced to overcome my objection, and it all failed WP:V, so I reverted. If that wrong, and I fail to see how it is, then does the 1R rule mean you cannot edit the same page twice in one day, if others in the meantime have edited it? Thanks, and revert me if I erred. Nishidani ( talk) 10:19, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
I have asked for enforcement: [8] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Powder Hound 3000 ( talk • contribs) 01:52, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
I hope you find pleasure running into old friends. Cheers, nableezy - 02:24, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
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You have participated in enough discussions on that page to know there's no consensus for your edit. If you don't revert it I will take this to AE before it turns into an edit war. No More Mr Nice Guy ( talk) 23:03, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
The said behaviour goes back a long way and effects almost every discussion talknic ( talk) 04:34, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
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Hi, in the paragraph "Army and police reports" the word "after" is in italics twice. Should the second one be "before"? I don't have Clarke handle, though I have Bethel. Cheers. Zero talk 13:38, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
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Hello. We have almost finished step three of the Jerusalem RfC discussion, but before we move on to step four I would like to make sure that all the participants are happy with the drafts that we have chosen. The content of the drafts are likely to dictate what ends up in the actual article, after all, so I want to make sure that we get them right.
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Also, there have been complaints that this process has been moving too slowly, so I am going to implement a deadline. If there haven't been any significant objections to the current selection of drafts by the end of Wednesday, 8 May, then I will move on to step four. Questions or comments are welcome on the discussion page or on my talk page. Best regards — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 03:57, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
Hello everyone. We are now at step four of the Jerusalem RfC discussion, where we will decide the details of the RfC implementation. This is the home stretch - the RfC proper will begin as soon as we have finished this step. Step four is also less complicated than the previous steps, as it is mostly about procedural issues. This means it should be over with a lot more quickly than the previous steps. There are some new questions for you to answer at the discussion page, and you can see how the RfC is shaping up at the RfC draft page. Also, when I say that this step should be over with a lot quicker than the previous steps, I mean it: I have set a provisional deadline of Monday, 20th May for responses. I'm looking forward to seeing your input. Best regards — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 12:56, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
Hello again, everyone. I have now closed all the questions for step four, and updated the RfC draft. We are scheduled to start the Jerusalem RfC at 09:00, 23 May 2013 (UTC). Before then, I would like you to check the draft page, Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Jerusalem, and see if there are any errors or anything that you would like to improve. If it's a small matter of copy editing, then you can edit the page directly. If it's anything that might be contentious, then please start a discussion at Talk:Jerusalem/2013 RfC discussion#The final countdown. I'll check through everything and then set the RfC in motion on Thursday. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 16:11, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Hello again everyone. We have finally made it - the RfC is now open, and a few editors have chimed in already. The discussion is located at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Jerusalem. I'm sure you don't actually need me to tell you this, but please go over there and leave your comments. :) You are the editors most familiar with the Jerusalem lead dispute on Wikipedia, so it would be very useful for the other participants to see what you have to say. And again, thank you for all your hard work in the discussions leading up to this. We shall reconvene after the results of the RfC have been announced, so that we can work out any next steps we need to take, if necessary. Best regards — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 13:20, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
Hello again everyone. Now that the Jerusalem RfC has been closed and there has been time for the dust to settle, I thought it would be a good time to start step six of the moderated discussion. If you could leave your feedback over at the discussion page, it will be most appreciated. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 09:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
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My recollection is that in February 1948 the British government stated that the Mandate would end. Without being able to see the relevant British document, it is hard to speculate exactly when that was. Further, if it said, for example midnight on the evening of 14 May 1948, does that mean Palestine time or London time. Do you know what the document said? Trahelliven ( talk) 04:23, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks Zero. In Palestine and Washington DC, at least, it was understood as being midnight Jerusalem time. That fell during a sabbath, so part of the reason for the timing of the Declaration was to allow the observant among those attending to be home again before the sabbath's start. It could well be that, as the Jewish day runs from sunset to sunset rather than midnight to midnight, that explains why some Israeli sources say that the Declaration was made the day before the Mandate ended. In the Declaration article's talkpage archives, or that of the Mandate article, there will be a couple of discussions on the subject of the timing of the Mandate's end. ← ZScarpia 23:23, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
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Hello, could you please explain why you reverted my edit to the King David Hotel bombing? As you acknowledged when you reverted it, it was not part of intercommunal violence in Palestine. I had removed the "Intercommunal violence" and replaced it with Jewish insurgency in Palestine, a far more apt choice given that this attack was aimed against the British authorities and not the Arabs.-- RM ( Be my friend) 18:34, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
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Could you please explain to me why you reverted my edit? It should be obvious that the reason the regulations were enacted were in response to insurgent attacks, and in addition, I believe the version I put in is a far more neutral one. I don't really think it's appropriate to state the British were trying to maintain civil order as required by the Mandate for two reasons: The British were arguably fighting to maintain their empire rather than civil order, and the British had very arguably violated the Mandate with the White Paper of 1939 and at one point claimed they were no longer bound by the Mandate due to the end of the League of Nations, so its misleading to insert the claim that they were simply maintaining order and following the Mandate.-- RM ( Be my friend) 22:16, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
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you wrote : "Strictly speaking, what Ben-Gurion declared on 14 May 1948 was the creation of the state of Israel, to take place at midnight when Mandatory Palestine officially ceased to exist"
Strictly speaking, for most -not to say all- historians, the 1948 war didn't start on 15 May 1948 but on 30 November 1947. They call this the 1948 Palestine War. That's what they call the Independence war. The 14 May Decleration is just the victory assessment. The next day, it is a war against Arab League that started.
And we could even argue that the Independence of the Jews from the British started in 1944 and kept growing until they get the UN Vote. In truth, Yishuv lived 3 phases in their independence war :
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As one of the editors who participated in the discussion leading up to this Rfc, please see Talk:Jerusalem#Is_Jerusalem_in_Israel_or_Palestine. Debresser ( talk) 10:34, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
I think Jonney was trying to revert to an undisputed form of the article, the one, with one small alteration, we see here, before the edit-warring. If you check this against Jonney's revert. I'd appreciate it if you checked your edit against this link, to control whether I am correct. This mess has us all confused, thanks to the onslaught of repeated changes introduced by MM. Thanks Nishidani ( talk) 12:32, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
Please allow the discussion of this issue to proceed before removing such a large amount of content and sources. Nishidani has set up a thread specifically for Proposals to re-draft the section in an orderly fashion and preclude the edit warring that has plagued this section in the past. Please discuss and allow consensus to form before making sweeping changes. Laszlo Panaflex ( talk) 14:16, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
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I wanted to suggest an edit to the lead paragraphs for this article.
The 2nd paragraph suggests the the Mandate for Palestine was put into a Trusteeship Agreement, which is not the case.
It was resolved in UNGA 181 that the Trusteeship Council would have some authority over Palestine during its transitional period, and during the 1948 War President Truman suggested Palestine become a Trusteeship Territory rather than to follow the Partition Plan, but of course we know this never took place.
The UN's Trusteeship Council website lists all former Trusteeship Territories and Palestine is not listed as one of them.
I believe the intent of this error is made clear by the mentioning of Article 80 of the UN Charter in this paragraph, which discussed rights of Mandates that are protected through their Trusteeship status. Some argue that Article 80 guarantees the Jews the right to settle and live in ALL parts of Palestine, forever. However Article 77 through 80 are clear that the rights of any Mandate expire once such agreement is concluded, and no Mandate is considered to be active it was not converted into a Trusteeship Agreement.
Thus, the Jewish settlement rights over all of the Mandate expire unless the Mandate was converteted into a Trust Territory, which is was not.
I cannot yet make this edit and was wondering if you would.
Thanks.
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Re your: "I've run various Google searches on the terms "Viktor Suvorov" and "conspiracy theory". ", you use an incorrect search engine. Use google scholars, which searches predominantly reliable academic sources. Thus, this neutral search immediately gives you the Uldrick's article (The Icebreaker Controversy: Did Stalin Plan to Attack Hitler?Author(s): Teddy J. Uldricks Source: Slavic Review, Vol. 58, No. 3 (Autumn, 1999), pp. 626-643 Published by: Cambridge University PressStable URL: https://www.jstor.org/stable/2697571), where the author says:
That is a good summary of the opinion of a scholarly community on that author. Regarding subscription, to question the source because it is not available to you is not a good approach. A better way would be to ask for an extended quote of to find it in some depository-- Paul Siebert ( talk) 02:48, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. I've now got hold of a copy of "Moscow 1940". I noticed in the bibliography of the article on Vladimir Voinovich that he wrote about Vasily Grossman (whom I've had a great interest in since reading "Life and Fate") for the Index on Censorship. I've downloaded that article. Hopefully "Journey to the Land of the Ze-Ka" will be published in English sometime.
Anne Applebaum, in "Gulag Voices, An Anthology", mentions "Kolyma Tales" and "Journey into the Whirlwind" by Eugenia Ginzburg. While reading the former I got myself copies of both of the latter, the edition of "Kolyma Tales" being the Penguin Twentieth-Century Classics one, which includes the collection of stories from "Graphite". In the foreword by John Glad it says that Solzhenitsyn "asked Shalamov to co-author his 'Gulag Archipelago with him, but Shalamov, already old and sick, declined." "Nevertheless, Solzhenitsyn writes: 'Shalamov's experience in the camps was longer and more bitter than my own, and I respectfully confess that to him and not me was it given to touch those depths of bestiality and despair toward which life in the camps dragged us all."
I have various other books on the Gulag. An interesting one is "Under Two Dictators" (1949) by Margarete Buber-Neumann, a German Communist who was imprisoned in both the Soviet labour camps and the German concentrion camp Ravensbrück.
A few months ago I read "Over Fields of Fire, Flying the Sturmovik in Action on the Eastern Front 1942-45" (2010) by Anna Timofeeva-Egorova, a pilot who was taken prisoner by the Germans after being shot down and badly injured. After being liberated, she went through the normal ex-Soviet POW experience of being treated as a traitor. It's an interesting illustration of the benign and malign in the Soviet system.
Since discussing "Icebreaker", I've been reading "Hitler's Decision to Invade Russia, 1941" (1975) by Robert Cecil. One of the curiosities is that, in 1940 Jodl presented a plan whereby the USSR would join in the fight against the UK. Hitler's original intention had been to attack Russia first and the UK later (I'm not sure about France), but circumstances changed the order. When the seaborne invasion of the UK, Operation Sealion, looked to be too risky, he switched back to attacking the Soviet Union. In fact, preparations for Operation Barbarossa were carried on under the guise of continuing Operation Sealion. Hitler, a man in a hurry, wanted to attack the USSR in the latter half of 1940, but he was persuaded to delay until the following year. It becomes apparent in the book why Stalin was taken by surprise. Hitler, taking his usual huge gamble and viewing the Slavs as a lesser race, expected to have beaten the Soviet Union in five months. I've read elsewhere that the Germans didn't have the resources to fight a long war, so had to win the campaign quickly, the reason for the lack of preparation for fighting during the winter. I've yet to figure out how much territory Hitler expected to seize within five months, but presumably not the whole of the USSR, his peace terms being that he kept what he had wanted in return for not invading the rest.
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Hi, I've changed it - hope it is OK for you. Jontel ( talk) 10:48, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
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The fact that you are coming back weeks later to complain here is just demonstrating an inability on your part to learn. This wasn't a close call - it was wildly inappropriate for you to voice that speculation on the article talk page and the underlying concern was never, never going to result in AE. Move on. VQuakr ( talk) 16:33, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
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My comments made towards you about the spelling of The Grayzone were, in retrospect, incredibly rude and very uncivil, for which I would like to wholeheartedly apologise for my behaviour. I've been somewhat sleep deprived recently, which contributed to this, but it's no excuse for the incivillity. No hard feelings. I do agree that in retrospect my comments about the The Grayzone were ill-informed and rather dumb, though upon closer reading all of the stuff that the website covers is really contentious and should be covered by much more reputable sources before being included in Wikipedia. Thanks for your consideration. Kind regards. Hemiauchenia ( talk) 21:05, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi, Thanks for the Jane Jackson source, which I've added in a new academics section. Now we have that, editors can add other relevant material from academic subject experts e.g. David Miller. Jontel ( talk) 16:52, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
This is not the first time you have attempted to delete Murray's writings blaming Israel for Skripal.
Why is that?
I will continue to revert any attempt to change sourced and pertinent information.
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I appreciate you taking the time to respond to my queries about the use of blogs as a source and for doing so without snark and condescension - thank you! DSQ ( talk) 19:51, 16 April 2021 (UTC) |
Please review WP:HOUND, thanks in advance. Unless of course you'd like me to take an equivalent interest in your edits. Inf-in MD ( talk) 10:56, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
Accusing someone of hounding with no basis in fact is obviously harassment. Threatening (twice) to hound someone back is a blockable offence. It's about time to petition for a topic ban. ZS, your time is your own but in my opinion you are giving too much of it to answer this disruption.
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Neither of the pages you referred to are pages I watch or edit. It doesn't make sense to criticize me for not speaking up about things on pages I don't edit. Levivich 14:53, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
Hi ZScarpia. Regarding this comment you made to Jontel, I assume you're not aware of who first said "to figure out who the powerful are, find out who you can't criticise", and about whom. See Kevin Alfred Strom#"True_Rulers" quotation. Jayjg (talk) 23:25, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
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Your comment about the ADL and BDS, etc., bumping a week-old dead thread on another user's talk which he has asked me to leave alone so I am responding here, isn't relevant to the question about the Khazar hypothesis. The Khazar hypothesis is a discredited theory about Ashkenazi Jewish origins that is currently being used by Russian anti-Semites on the Ukraine war or by groups such as the Black Hebrew Israelites. The ADL is reliable enough to describe such things as anti-Semitic, and it really doesn't have to do with Zionism or Israel per se - other than that some claim a political or Zionist/anti-Zionist influence on opinions on the Khazar veracity. Reliable scientific studies have rejected the idea that Ashkenazi Jews are in any meaningful way Khazar. Current consensus is that AJ are Middle Eastern and European. "Generally reliable" means exactly what it sounds like, but the RSP guidance for ADL is to attribute when necessary. activist organisations are not usually regarded as reliable and websites opposing Zionism have been found to be unreliable on grounds of "bias"
I have no idea what this refers to, but no I do not think a double standard is at play, and I reject the premise of your question. Reliability is not about bias. Many opinionated outlets are still reliable and just must be attributed in the appropriate situation. Regardless, the user whose talk page you posted on has already said he does not have concerns about the ADL's reliability but instead he thinks it's just a question of context and weight.
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Hello. I am sorry not to discuss more with you on the topic. I really have very few know-how about this event. I suggest you undertake modifications you suggest and then submit them to Zero.
Good work ;-)
User:ChrisC 21:10, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry but (if classed as a terrorist act) isn't couched, it's justification, as if taking the position that it possibly may not be considered a terrorist act. The only place that it isn't considered a terrorist attack is in Israel. Just like the only place 9/11 isn't classed as a terrorist attack is around Bin Laden's campfire.
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G'day ZScarpia,
I didn't set out to remove anything from the Jewish Defense League article. I was doing RC patrol (attempting to scan all new changes to Wikipedia and remove vandalism, POV-pushing, defamation and other damaging material as soon as it's created), and I noticed what appeared to be an unregistered user's attempt at POV-pushing added to the JDL article. So, I clicked the little button admins see that says "rollback", and the changes were undone. However, looking at the changes in the cold light of a new day, they're not actually all that objectionable. So, I apologise for my hastiness, and I've reinstated the user's edits. fuddlemark ( fuddle me!) 00:49, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
I've replied to you here:
User_talk:Jaakobou#King_David_Hotel_bombing.
Cheers,
Jaakobou
Chalk Talk 04:30, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
I apologize. Not knowing the relevant literature at all well, I tried merely to copyedit. There was a lot a loose phrasing, and in tightening it, I appear to have made the wrong inference at that point (perhaps at others). Thanks for the note. Nishidani ( talk) 13:15, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Please refrain from adding your personal opinion to this page with your edit [1]. Please note this has now been removed by an administrator here [2] -- Rockybiggs ( talk) 12:14, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Apparently he's been warned for deleting other users' comments.
It might be worth requesting that he restore all deleted comments - I don't see how it is unreasonable that he do the work (or restoring). If he refuses, then - well, kick things up a notch. GrizzledOldMan ( talk) 06:40, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
Allora, dimmi. I'm full of advice, which I never follow, since I forget it as often as not. But if you're game, you can't really 'shoot'. Nonetheless, shoot. Nishidani ( talk) 21:33, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm looking for opinions and advice on what's been happening at the
King David Hotel bombing article.
Firstly, I've been trying to negotiate with an editor, Mr J, an acceptable form for a sentence which he objected to in the Terrorism section. Mr J has refused to give me direct answers to my questions and ended by commenting that he couldn't understand what I was trying to ask. I'm looking for an opinion on whether I wrote clearly and logically (in which case Mr J was just being an erse) or not.
Next, Mr C appeared and turned the article upside down. After I made some restorations, he appeared on the talkpage along with Mr H, talking about removing the Layout section and cutting down the Attempted Attack section and merging it with text elsewhere. They copied the text of the latter over to the
King David Hotel article, making it a mess in my opinion. They seem to have a real thing about getting rid of the heading (in fact, they seem to have a bit of a mania for getting rid of headings in general) of the Attempted attack section and (sub)merging the text elsewhere. The obvious reason for doing that is that they want to hide the information in that section as much as possible, but I can't see a reason why the information there would bother them overly. They do seem very keen to reduce the size of the article even though it isn't particularly long. The only reason that occurs to me is that they don't want information in the English Wikipedia article which isn't in the Hebrew version. Something else odd is that Mr H appears to have pulled some information from Thurston Clarke's book, so you'd expect him to have a reasonable grasp of the KDH bombing story, yet from the questions he's asking and some of the material he's been trying to insert, he obviously doesn't. I wondered if you would take a look at the article and the talkpage and tell me what you think and whether you think that I should be handling things differently?
The article seemed to become very popular suddenly. Do you know of any reason why?
Thanks. --
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Many thanks. -- ZScarpia ( talk) 09:29, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Sari Nusseibeh, Once Upon a Country, Halban, London 2009 p.41 Nishidani ( talk) 11:11, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Nableezy filed a report and it turned out User:Los Admiralos was a sockpuppet of User:NoCal100. While I have good instincts, I'm terrible at piecing the evidence together. But I do appreciate your trying to make it easier. Cheers. Tiamut talk 21:30, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
I know; I read that section. Among the other reasons why I have little tolerance for removing other users' comments you don't like, even if they are personal and negative, from talk pages other than your own is that a) it very often leads to exactly that sort of edit war as the original commentator restores it right back and b) the energies that go into the ensuing edit war would be far more productively used building consensus on how to improve the article. Daniel Case ( talk) 02:37, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
Agreed. It was just the idea that editors removing the most vile, vicious hate speech ... wouldn't be on the right side of policy that I was baulking at. It is conceivable that comments can cross a line beyond which their removal becomes beneficial. (Just in case you're interested, the Jayjg - deletion of comments section above illustrates one dispute over deleted comments, by the way) -- ZScarpia ( talk) 11:38, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for sticking up for me during my latest block. If there is anything I can do for you in the future just let me know. Factsontheground ( talk) 12:34, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
I think this is right. I'm not sure it's really notable that they were disguised. Presumably they didn't walk into the building wearing clothes that announced who they were! I just really disliked the "Wearing various types of disguises" language. And by-the-by it takes more than that to irritate me. NickCT ( talk) 18:39, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
I will answer you question about Masada 2000. First-of-all I have never visited the site neither before nor after it was mentioned at AN/I. I did not know about the site before I read about it in the post. I looked only at the differences mentioned in AN/I post in the wikipedia article itself, and very briefly. Only few of them were from Masada 2000, but I read the same stories about refugees in Jerusalem Post and in some books: please take a look at pages 289 and 288 Should I consider Jerusalem Post a racist site? I do not think so. Other edits were taken from American Thinker and Palestinian Media Watch, hardly racist sites either. I agree they are controversial, but I do not consider them to be neither racist nor hate speech. Once again, I am not talking about the site Masada 2000, only about the edits to the article that were made by Gilabrand. If you are to look at the thread, you will see that I was defending the actions of Gilabrand, but the only thing I said about the site in question was: "About Masada 2000. The site is not blacklisted on Wikipedia, so the user had the rights to refer to it.", and remember, when I said it, I only saw the edits added to the article, the very same edits that I knew about from the books I read before. Please also consider what me and Gilabrand felt, when we read the article that was written by the user. My heart is going out to people in Gaza in West Bank. They are suffering I know. The only thing in which our opinion is different from mine is that I believe they should look at Hamas and Islamic Jihad actions as for the main source of their sufferings. Israelis want peace, and I do too very, very much. I hope that answers your question. Please feel free to ask me more.-- Mbz1 ( talk) 10:15, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Ran HaCohen: Israel, a New Decade (10 April 2010) ... Am I being brainwashed? ← ZScarpia 15:45, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi ZScarpia. I just noticed you've started editing the Murder of Meredith Kercher (and checking sources)—excellent! I think that several of us who have been editing that page for a while are getting quite jaded by all the controversy and some serious incivility, which has hopefully stopped for the moment. So it's good to see someone else (you) taking an interest in the page. Cheers. Bluewave ( talk) 21:31, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
Please stop. If you continue to use talk pages such as Talk:Israel and the apartheid analogy for inappropriate discussion, you may be blocked. For your unsolicited comments on this talk page, including this inflammatory and wholly inappropriate comment: "Probably, neo-Nazis would be pleased about the differentiation between Jewish and German nationality." Plot Spoiler ( talk) 13:47, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Worse things have happen... Don't worry, be happy Plot Spoiler ( talk) 02:32, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
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Scotch-Irish is the most commonly used term for the descendants of Scots who migrated to North America, but lately Scots-Irish has begun to gain currency among those who know that Scotch is considered offensive in Scotland. Oh dearie me, don't say you weren't warned!
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Thanks for that little bit of striking. I obviously hit a raw nerve. BTW are you talking a step back. In notice that over the last couple of days, you're only doing minimal comments on talk pages.-- Peter cohen ( talk) 13:53, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
I have been searching for a long time for this book. -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 21:14, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
I was intrigued by this edit of yours: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk:Preemptive_war&diff=399148953&oldid=397432537 What was the article, and do you think the content might be a useful addition to the article on the Six-Day War and its kinship? Shoplifter ( talk) 23:41, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
re your note on Nishidani's page. He will be away until February. Paul B ( talk) 23:07, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Given your apparent general interest in the Arab-Israeli conflict, perhaps you will find this article of interest. I began a major upheaval of it some two weeks ago and the current version is about 8/10 my work. It's a fascinating story the consequences of which are still felt today. My nearest goal is to make it GA status. If you do read it, all edits and/or criticism are more than welcome. You can find me in #wikipedia-en and #wikipedia-ipcoll on irc.freenode.net. Thanks! :-) Shoplifter ( talk) 09:25, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
Read. All the best. ← ZScarpia 03:36, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Further to the Arbitration Enforcement complaint you submitted today [3], and to the comment I made there, I would ask that you please endeavour to use edit summaries when editing in future. Edit summaries, as you might know, assist your fellow editors in figuring out what is happening on an article without having to examine in detail each diff; and it is especially useful to uninvolved administrators who are reviewing problematic exchanges of edits on articles (and whom you probably don't want to annoy! :P). If you struggle to remember to leave an edit summary, you can check the "Prompt me when entering a blank edit summary" box in the "Editing" tab of Special:Preferences. Thanks and regards, AGK [ • 16:50, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi ZScarpia, I'd like to thank you for the comment you made on AE. You've got it right, and it was really kind of you to make this appeal. Best wishes.-- Mbz1 ( talk) 05:39, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
You said [4] "rather than delete material better to add the part that balances it". But at the same time, you had just deleted a balancing part in parathesis from this source [5]. Perhaps you would like to take the issue to the talk page where you will find that I had already added some remarks when editing about the misuse of the interview in the article? In the circumstances meanwhile could I suggest you self-revert out of courtesy, since your undo seems out of order? -- BozMo talk 14:11, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
Why have you decided to delete the description of the case with forbidden (according to the SA law) sex of white woman and black man? It seems very impressive
-- LReit ( talk) 18:47, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
I'm waiting for you comments here LReit ( talk) 12:06, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
After re-reading my response on Talk:Richard Goldstone, I decided it could have been phrased much better. My intent was to point you to reassurances that you were not completely alone in your opinion. I did not mean to sound like I was chastising you for not reviewing all the archived discussions on the page, something which I myself rarely have either the time or the inclination to do. Apologies for the lack of clarity. Fat&Happy ( talk) 02:21, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
Thank you very much for the useful links on my user talkpage and for pointing out my mistake. It was highly appreciated. Poyani ( talk) 22:33, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Hey! I'm looking to de-redlink this template and I wonder if you could assist me with your valued opinion and shared knowledge on these questions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict#1985_PLO_ships_bombing Shoplifter ( talk) 11:04, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
Seeing as you've assembled an impressive array of sources, perhaps you could assist me in finding a stellar reference for the lede to this article. I would like to further clarify what the "final status" issues are, and buttress this with a solid source. To my knowledge, the Declaration of Principles that was agreed upon as part of the Oslo Accords affirms that the issues of borders, settlements, Jerusalem and refugees are to be decided at permanent status negotiations. From what I've read, security concerns are usually bundled together with the dispute over borders. Some sources also list water rights as an issue that was postponed during the Oslo talks to be included in negotiations on final status arrangements. Shoplifter ( talk) 23:21, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
No problem; I looked at the articles and merge suggestions and got confused, so figured I'd leave it to others. Cheers, Tom Harrison Talk 23:44, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
Scarpia, The Oxford English Dictionary, Chambers Dictionary Collins Dictionary, Roget's, the BBC, The Guardian, the Daily Telegraph all recognise the word 'elder'. In fact the Daily Telegraph, Terry Gifford , Hughes biographer and Oxford University Press use the word to write about Hughes himself. If you feel sure it isn't an English term, perhaps consider contacting them to discuss it further. Best wishes Span ( talk) 21:10, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
You were engaged in a previous conversation on this topic, please join the ongoing discussion here. Greyshark09 ( talk) 15:49, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
Hey, I saw your edit on the British mandate for Palestine lead. While I think it is an improvement, my question is this:- was there ever a single "geopolitical polity" that was "sanctioned" by the British Mandate for Palestine (legal instrument). Or was it in fact that the MfP legal instrument (along with the transjordan memorandum) sanctioned the creation of two geopolitical entities - Palestine and Transjordan (which were never administered as a single polity during the mandate period). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dlv999 ( talk • contribs) 10:56, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
Dear ZScarpia,
Thank you for your suggestion. I have reverted the article on the King David Hotel bombing. The article on Sir John Shaw covers the situation well. He was my father and as a fifteen year old schoolboy,I with my younger brother was flown from England to Palestine with other children of the personnel both of the mandatory government and the Iraq Petroleum Company arriving just a week after the bombing at the end of July 1946. Regards,
Jeremy Shaw John Jeremy Shaw ( talk) 20:01, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for your helpful comments re: tone. 86.12.129.12 ( talk) 13:39, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi ZScarpia, please could you kindly take a look at the demerged article British Mandate for Palestine (legal instrument)? I know that you and Greyshark (who I have also messaged) took self-imposed leave from the debate, but you are both knowledgeable on the subject so your input would be very helpful. Oncenawhile ( talk) 18:56, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
I'm guessing by now you've seen
WP:UP#POLEMIC. In that effect, you should undo your operation here
[6] or the matter will be brought for administrative consideration.
p.s. I trust you don't need someone explaining to you why content such as "It is not enough for the [[Israeli settlements|settler]] to delimit physically" , and "Hath not a Palestinian eyes?" is otherwise inappropriate.
Warm regards,
Jaakobou
Chalk Talk 06:52, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
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I will amend my comments concerning the blocks, and will not ignore this point. I am currently editing from my phone, so am unable to properly do so just yet. Thank you for your patience.
Best Wishes
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Your lynx-eyed attention is required at Murder of Shalhevet Pass to evaluate the status of my edit. It may be pure scruple: I am sure that if one edits a page, and then someone just automatically reverts you, you are entitled to one revert per day. Work on the page didn't revert anyone. I just brough the page at several points in line with sources. The predictable revert challenge occurred. I examined the nature of that revert and the additional material adduced to overcome my objection, and it all failed WP:V, so I reverted. If that wrong, and I fail to see how it is, then does the 1R rule mean you cannot edit the same page twice in one day, if others in the meantime have edited it? Thanks, and revert me if I erred. Nishidani ( talk) 10:19, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
I have asked for enforcement: [8] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Powder Hound 3000 ( talk • contribs) 01:52, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
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You have participated in enough discussions on that page to know there's no consensus for your edit. If you don't revert it I will take this to AE before it turns into an edit war. No More Mr Nice Guy ( talk) 23:03, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
The said behaviour goes back a long way and effects almost every discussion talknic ( talk) 04:34, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
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Hi, in the paragraph "Army and police reports" the word "after" is in italics twice. Should the second one be "before"? I don't have Clarke handle, though I have Bethel. Cheers. Zero talk 13:38, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
Hello all. We have finally reached step three in the Jerusalem RfC discussion. In this step we are going to decide the exact text of the various drafts and the general questions. We are also going to prepare a summary of the various positions on the dispute outlined in reliable sources, per the result of question nine in step two. I have left questions for you all to answer at the discussion page, and I'd be grateful for your input there. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 08:53, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
A request for clarification has been submitted regarding the ArbCom mandated Jerusalem RFC process. Callanecc ( talk • contribs • logs) 01:38, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
Hello. We have almost finished step three of the Jerusalem RfC discussion, but before we move on to step four I would like to make sure that all the participants are happy with the drafts that we have chosen. The content of the drafts are likely to dictate what ends up in the actual article, after all, so I want to make sure that we get them right.
So far, there hasn't been much interest in the process of choosing which drafts to present to the community, and only three editors out of twenty submitted a drafts statement. I have used these three statements to pick a selection of drafts to present, but we still need more input from other participants to make sure that the statements are representative of all participants' wishes. I have started discussions about this under question seven and question eight on the RfC discussion page, and I would be grateful for your input there.
Also, there have been complaints that this process has been moving too slowly, so I am going to implement a deadline. If there haven't been any significant objections to the current selection of drafts by the end of Wednesday, 8 May, then I will move on to step four. Questions or comments are welcome on the discussion page or on my talk page. Best regards — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 03:57, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
Hello everyone. We are now at step four of the Jerusalem RfC discussion, where we will decide the details of the RfC implementation. This is the home stretch - the RfC proper will begin as soon as we have finished this step. Step four is also less complicated than the previous steps, as it is mostly about procedural issues. This means it should be over with a lot more quickly than the previous steps. There are some new questions for you to answer at the discussion page, and you can see how the RfC is shaping up at the RfC draft page. Also, when I say that this step should be over with a lot quicker than the previous steps, I mean it: I have set a provisional deadline of Monday, 20th May for responses. I'm looking forward to seeing your input. Best regards — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 12:56, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
Hello again, everyone. I have now closed all the questions for step four, and updated the RfC draft. We are scheduled to start the Jerusalem RfC at 09:00, 23 May 2013 (UTC). Before then, I would like you to check the draft page, Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Jerusalem, and see if there are any errors or anything that you would like to improve. If it's a small matter of copy editing, then you can edit the page directly. If it's anything that might be contentious, then please start a discussion at Talk:Jerusalem/2013 RfC discussion#The final countdown. I'll check through everything and then set the RfC in motion on Thursday. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 16:11, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Hello again everyone. We have finally made it - the RfC is now open, and a few editors have chimed in already. The discussion is located at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Jerusalem. I'm sure you don't actually need me to tell you this, but please go over there and leave your comments. :) You are the editors most familiar with the Jerusalem lead dispute on Wikipedia, so it would be very useful for the other participants to see what you have to say. And again, thank you for all your hard work in the discussions leading up to this. We shall reconvene after the results of the RfC have been announced, so that we can work out any next steps we need to take, if necessary. Best regards — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 13:20, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
Hello again everyone. Now that the Jerusalem RfC has been closed and there has been time for the dust to settle, I thought it would be a good time to start step six of the moderated discussion. If you could leave your feedback over at the discussion page, it will be most appreciated. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 09:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
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My recollection is that in February 1948 the British government stated that the Mandate would end. Without being able to see the relevant British document, it is hard to speculate exactly when that was. Further, if it said, for example midnight on the evening of 14 May 1948, does that mean Palestine time or London time. Do you know what the document said? Trahelliven ( talk) 04:23, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks Zero. In Palestine and Washington DC, at least, it was understood as being midnight Jerusalem time. That fell during a sabbath, so part of the reason for the timing of the Declaration was to allow the observant among those attending to be home again before the sabbath's start. It could well be that, as the Jewish day runs from sunset to sunset rather than midnight to midnight, that explains why some Israeli sources say that the Declaration was made the day before the Mandate ended. In the Declaration article's talkpage archives, or that of the Mandate article, there will be a couple of discussions on the subject of the timing of the Mandate's end. ← ZScarpia 23:23, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
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Hello, could you please explain why you reverted my edit to the King David Hotel bombing? As you acknowledged when you reverted it, it was not part of intercommunal violence in Palestine. I had removed the "Intercommunal violence" and replaced it with Jewish insurgency in Palestine, a far more apt choice given that this attack was aimed against the British authorities and not the Arabs.-- RM ( Be my friend) 18:34, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
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Could you please explain to me why you reverted my edit? It should be obvious that the reason the regulations were enacted were in response to insurgent attacks, and in addition, I believe the version I put in is a far more neutral one. I don't really think it's appropriate to state the British were trying to maintain civil order as required by the Mandate for two reasons: The British were arguably fighting to maintain their empire rather than civil order, and the British had very arguably violated the Mandate with the White Paper of 1939 and at one point claimed they were no longer bound by the Mandate due to the end of the League of Nations, so its misleading to insert the claim that they were simply maintaining order and following the Mandate.-- RM ( Be my friend) 22:16, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
Hello ZScarpia,
you wrote : "Strictly speaking, what Ben-Gurion declared on 14 May 1948 was the creation of the state of Israel, to take place at midnight when Mandatory Palestine officially ceased to exist"
Strictly speaking, for most -not to say all- historians, the 1948 war didn't start on 15 May 1948 but on 30 November 1947. They call this the 1948 Palestine War. That's what they call the Independence war. The 14 May Decleration is just the victory assessment. The next day, it is a war against Arab League that started.
And we could even argue that the Independence of the Jews from the British started in 1944 and kept growing until they get the UN Vote. In truth, Yishuv lived 3 phases in their independence war :
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As one of the editors who participated in the discussion leading up to this Rfc, please see Talk:Jerusalem#Is_Jerusalem_in_Israel_or_Palestine. Debresser ( talk) 10:34, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
I think Jonney was trying to revert to an undisputed form of the article, the one, with one small alteration, we see here, before the edit-warring. If you check this against Jonney's revert. I'd appreciate it if you checked your edit against this link, to control whether I am correct. This mess has us all confused, thanks to the onslaught of repeated changes introduced by MM. Thanks Nishidani ( talk) 12:32, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
Please allow the discussion of this issue to proceed before removing such a large amount of content and sources. Nishidani has set up a thread specifically for Proposals to re-draft the section in an orderly fashion and preclude the edit warring that has plagued this section in the past. Please discuss and allow consensus to form before making sweeping changes. Laszlo Panaflex ( talk) 14:16, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
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I wanted to suggest an edit to the lead paragraphs for this article.
The 2nd paragraph suggests the the Mandate for Palestine was put into a Trusteeship Agreement, which is not the case.
It was resolved in UNGA 181 that the Trusteeship Council would have some authority over Palestine during its transitional period, and during the 1948 War President Truman suggested Palestine become a Trusteeship Territory rather than to follow the Partition Plan, but of course we know this never took place.
The UN's Trusteeship Council website lists all former Trusteeship Territories and Palestine is not listed as one of them.
I believe the intent of this error is made clear by the mentioning of Article 80 of the UN Charter in this paragraph, which discussed rights of Mandates that are protected through their Trusteeship status. Some argue that Article 80 guarantees the Jews the right to settle and live in ALL parts of Palestine, forever. However Article 77 through 80 are clear that the rights of any Mandate expire once such agreement is concluded, and no Mandate is considered to be active it was not converted into a Trusteeship Agreement.
Thus, the Jewish settlement rights over all of the Mandate expire unless the Mandate was converteted into a Trust Territory, which is was not.
I cannot yet make this edit and was wondering if you would.
Thanks.
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Re your: "I've run various Google searches on the terms "Viktor Suvorov" and "conspiracy theory". ", you use an incorrect search engine. Use google scholars, which searches predominantly reliable academic sources. Thus, this neutral search immediately gives you the Uldrick's article (The Icebreaker Controversy: Did Stalin Plan to Attack Hitler?Author(s): Teddy J. Uldricks Source: Slavic Review, Vol. 58, No. 3 (Autumn, 1999), pp. 626-643 Published by: Cambridge University PressStable URL: https://www.jstor.org/stable/2697571), where the author says:
That is a good summary of the opinion of a scholarly community on that author. Regarding subscription, to question the source because it is not available to you is not a good approach. A better way would be to ask for an extended quote of to find it in some depository-- Paul Siebert ( talk) 02:48, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. I've now got hold of a copy of "Moscow 1940". I noticed in the bibliography of the article on Vladimir Voinovich that he wrote about Vasily Grossman (whom I've had a great interest in since reading "Life and Fate") for the Index on Censorship. I've downloaded that article. Hopefully "Journey to the Land of the Ze-Ka" will be published in English sometime.
Anne Applebaum, in "Gulag Voices, An Anthology", mentions "Kolyma Tales" and "Journey into the Whirlwind" by Eugenia Ginzburg. While reading the former I got myself copies of both of the latter, the edition of "Kolyma Tales" being the Penguin Twentieth-Century Classics one, which includes the collection of stories from "Graphite". In the foreword by John Glad it says that Solzhenitsyn "asked Shalamov to co-author his 'Gulag Archipelago with him, but Shalamov, already old and sick, declined." "Nevertheless, Solzhenitsyn writes: 'Shalamov's experience in the camps was longer and more bitter than my own, and I respectfully confess that to him and not me was it given to touch those depths of bestiality and despair toward which life in the camps dragged us all."
I have various other books on the Gulag. An interesting one is "Under Two Dictators" (1949) by Margarete Buber-Neumann, a German Communist who was imprisoned in both the Soviet labour camps and the German concentrion camp Ravensbrück.
A few months ago I read "Over Fields of Fire, Flying the Sturmovik in Action on the Eastern Front 1942-45" (2010) by Anna Timofeeva-Egorova, a pilot who was taken prisoner by the Germans after being shot down and badly injured. After being liberated, she went through the normal ex-Soviet POW experience of being treated as a traitor. It's an interesting illustration of the benign and malign in the Soviet system.
Since discussing "Icebreaker", I've been reading "Hitler's Decision to Invade Russia, 1941" (1975) by Robert Cecil. One of the curiosities is that, in 1940 Jodl presented a plan whereby the USSR would join in the fight against the UK. Hitler's original intention had been to attack Russia first and the UK later (I'm not sure about France), but circumstances changed the order. When the seaborne invasion of the UK, Operation Sealion, looked to be too risky, he switched back to attacking the Soviet Union. In fact, preparations for Operation Barbarossa were carried on under the guise of continuing Operation Sealion. Hitler, a man in a hurry, wanted to attack the USSR in the latter half of 1940, but he was persuaded to delay until the following year. It becomes apparent in the book why Stalin was taken by surprise. Hitler, taking his usual huge gamble and viewing the Slavs as a lesser race, expected to have beaten the Soviet Union in five months. I've read elsewhere that the Germans didn't have the resources to fight a long war, so had to win the campaign quickly, the reason for the lack of preparation for fighting during the winter. I've yet to figure out how much territory Hitler expected to seize within five months, but presumably not the whole of the USSR, his peace terms being that he kept what he had wanted in return for not invading the rest.
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You made an excellent point: this discussion (if any) should continue on article talk page. If you have any further questions, please ask me there. Thanks, My very best wishes ( talk) 02:05, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I've changed it - hope it is OK for you. Jontel ( talk) 10:48, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
(p7-8: "Poale-Zion parties as they arose found already in existence the bourgeois Zionist Movement, whose ideas were mostly based on wrong analogies drawn from European Nationalists movements, with the yearning for Palestine as their lost home, which had animated the Jewish Nation for two thousand years, and who, besides, would have nothing to do with the Jewish revolutionary Labour Movement. On the other side there was the Bund movement amongst Jewish Workers who had no use for a revolutionary solution of the Jewish question. They diagnosed the present condition of Jewry as the last phase of its historical development and, after the fall of Czarism, thought that the Jewish question could be solved by securing equality of rights coupled with certain national and cultural guarantees. It remained for the Poale-Zion policy by the use of Marxist methods to get at the root of the Jewish Question and to define a new system of characteristically Jewish Economics. We have analysed the peculiar economic strata and social divisions of Jews in those countries where they live in large masses, and have referred them to fundamental facts which had apparently been overlooked owing to their very obviousness. The result was a picture of a Nation living in economic isolation having no roots inagriculture, no share in modern industry, concentrated in commerce and trade and trade and restricted to certain declining branches of production. During this present age of Capitalism, this economic isolation resulted in a collapse of the middle-classes which had been overtaken by the march of progress. Uprooted and thrown out of their class, they became proletarians without, however, securing an entry into the new trades and occupations. The disintegration of Jewish economic life brought about a very powerful reaction; there began the modern Jewish Emigration Movement which, within a few decades, cast out millions of Jews into other countries where they went to seek work and a new livelihood. Thus we see two powerful influences working on the life of the Jewish masses in Europe at the end of the last and the beginning of the present century; the impuls towards placing the economic structure on a new productive basis - in other words to render the de-classed masses productive, and, subsequently, the impulse to create new Jewish ventres, by the migration of those whose economic basis had been undermined. ... The new Jewish liberation movement was a kind of reaction against the centrifugal forces inherent in Jewish life which were destroying its economical and political coherence. It corresponded to two basic tendencies in Jewish Realism - the struggle for a new economic life allied with territorial concentration and national self-determination. Thus arose the Palestine Movement which came to be known later on as Zionism - the Jewish National Colonisation Movement.")
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The fact that you are coming back weeks later to complain here is just demonstrating an inability on your part to learn. This wasn't a close call - it was wildly inappropriate for you to voice that speculation on the article talk page and the underlying concern was never, never going to result in AE. Move on. VQuakr ( talk) 16:33, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
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My comments made towards you about the spelling of The Grayzone were, in retrospect, incredibly rude and very uncivil, for which I would like to wholeheartedly apologise for my behaviour. I've been somewhat sleep deprived recently, which contributed to this, but it's no excuse for the incivillity. No hard feelings. I do agree that in retrospect my comments about the The Grayzone were ill-informed and rather dumb, though upon closer reading all of the stuff that the website covers is really contentious and should be covered by much more reputable sources before being included in Wikipedia. Thanks for your consideration. Kind regards. Hemiauchenia ( talk) 21:05, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi, Thanks for the Jane Jackson source, which I've added in a new academics section. Now we have that, editors can add other relevant material from academic subject experts e.g. David Miller. Jontel ( talk) 16:52, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
This is not the first time you have attempted to delete Murray's writings blaming Israel for Skripal.
Why is that?
I will continue to revert any attempt to change sourced and pertinent information.
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I appreciate you taking the time to respond to my queries about the use of blogs as a source and for doing so without snark and condescension - thank you! DSQ ( talk) 19:51, 16 April 2021 (UTC) |
Please review WP:HOUND, thanks in advance. Unless of course you'd like me to take an equivalent interest in your edits. Inf-in MD ( talk) 10:56, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
Accusing someone of hounding with no basis in fact is obviously harassment. Threatening (twice) to hound someone back is a blockable offence. It's about time to petition for a topic ban. ZS, your time is your own but in my opinion you are giving too much of it to answer this disruption.
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Note: Inf-in MD was blocked as a sockpuppet of NoCal100 on 10 December 2021. ← ZScarpia 17:37, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
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Jemand mußte Josef K. verleumdet haben, denn ohne daß er etwas Böses getan hätte, wurde er eines Morgens verhaftet (Someone must have been telling lies about Josef K., he knew he had done nothing wrong but, one morning, he was arrested.) Der Proceß.ch.1. Nishidani ( talk) 13:52, 30 September 2021 (UTC) |
Neither of the pages you referred to are pages I watch or edit. It doesn't make sense to criticize me for not speaking up about things on pages I don't edit. Levivich 14:53, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
Hi ZScarpia. Regarding this comment you made to Jontel, I assume you're not aware of who first said "to figure out who the powerful are, find out who you can't criticise", and about whom. See Kevin Alfred Strom#"True_Rulers" quotation. Jayjg (talk) 23:25, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
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Your comment about the ADL and BDS, etc., bumping a week-old dead thread on another user's talk which he has asked me to leave alone so I am responding here, isn't relevant to the question about the Khazar hypothesis. The Khazar hypothesis is a discredited theory about Ashkenazi Jewish origins that is currently being used by Russian anti-Semites on the Ukraine war or by groups such as the Black Hebrew Israelites. The ADL is reliable enough to describe such things as anti-Semitic, and it really doesn't have to do with Zionism or Israel per se - other than that some claim a political or Zionist/anti-Zionist influence on opinions on the Khazar veracity. Reliable scientific studies have rejected the idea that Ashkenazi Jews are in any meaningful way Khazar. Current consensus is that AJ are Middle Eastern and European. "Generally reliable" means exactly what it sounds like, but the RSP guidance for ADL is to attribute when necessary. activist organisations are not usually regarded as reliable and websites opposing Zionism have been found to be unreliable on grounds of "bias"
I have no idea what this refers to, but no I do not think a double standard is at play, and I reject the premise of your question. Reliability is not about bias. Many opinionated outlets are still reliable and just must be attributed in the appropriate situation. Regardless, the user whose talk page you posted on has already said he does not have concerns about the ADL's reliability but instead he thinks it's just a question of context and weight.
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