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Please do not add inappropriate external links to Wikipedia, as you did to Gay. Wikipedia is not a collection of links, nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Inappropriate links include (but are not limited to) links to personal web sites, links to web sites with which you are affiliated, and links that attract visitors to a web site or promote a product. See the external links guideline and spam guideline for further explanations. Since Wikipedia uses nofollow tags, external links do not alter search engine rankings. If you feel the link should be added to the article, please discuss it on the article's talk page rather than re-adding it. Thank you.-- The Fat Man Who Never Came Back ( talk) 15:00, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
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Thank you Satyr. I will take your help as and when needed.( Masculinity ( talk) 05:02, 17 February 2008 (UTC))
Thanks for the note you left me on my talk page. It's always better to discuss potentially problematic links than to edit war. Let's discuss the merit of the link you inserted on the discussion page for the Gay article, so that others can join the discussion as well.-- The Fat Man Who Never Came Back ( talk) 15:19, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
The entire idea that people, especially men, can be divided on the basis of their 'proclaimed' sexuality is a concept peculiar to the modern west, and to discuss the concept as a universal phenomena, and to judge or study sexuality, men and masculinities in other cultures or in other times on the basis of these concepts not only distorts and misrepresents their reality, but is also seen as oppressive by people on whom the west enforces these identities, often through the one-sided process of globalisation.
Wikipedia, should take into account this fact when discussing modern western concepts such as 'sexual orientation', 'homosexuality', 'heterosexuality', 'gay' and 'straight', etc., and it should clearly mention this fact, because, although it is an English site, it is meant for the entire world, and not only for the western world.
Only that will make it a truly relevant and global site.
Well, thank you. I'll try my best. ( Masculinity ( talk) 16:07, 15 February 2008 (UTC))
<<find some statements or sections of articles that seem unduly biased toward Western notions of sexuality. Discuss those sections on the articles' talk pages, and try your hand at rewriting these sections citing reliable sources--for example, the UNESCO publication we discussed earlier.>>
Eventhough, I'm going to follow this advice in articles on wikipedia related to such topics, in this particular case, the problem seems to not to be what the article says, but rather what it does not say. It describes the social construction of human, especially male sexuality, as it is formally and popularly seen in the west ... assuming it to be universally applicable. As far as the article is concerned, the only difference is between people who are open about their 'gay' identities and those men who relate with sexually wtih other men but do not call themselves gay, who are described as 'closeted' (or bicurious or so). A person from the orient finds the entire notion of isolation on the basis of so-called 'sexual orientation' problematic. When almost everyman is involved in some sexual way with another man, you don't really feel different for liking men.
How do you explain this dichotomy in the article? The term 'Gay' carries with it all the negative baggages of the 'heterosexualised' society, where the pressures on men to disown their same-sex needs is so extreme, that only very few men think of indulging in male-to-male sexuality by acknowledging it. The rest either keep away totally and deny their feelings, or indulge in male-eroticism without acknowledging their own interest. The term 'gay' is based on the lots of assumptions which are invalid in a non-western, non-heterosexualised world. E.g., the very concept of their being 'gay' assumes that most men do not feel sexuality towards other men. Then, who is defined as the 'same-sex'. The western culture only considers the outer sex of an individual when deciding their sex-identity, but in most non-western cultures, the sex-identity also involves, compulsorily the Gender or the inner sex of an individual. Thus a Hijra may have a penis, but he will be a different 'sex' or rather 'gender' than 'Men', because s(he) is a woman inside a man. A man and Hijra having sex is not seen as 'same-sex' in non-western countries. Of course, the west doesn't recognise 'Gender' as a valid human phenomena, and ascribes it to a mental aberration. Then of course, there is a whole lot of conspiracies behind the very concept of 'gay' or 'sexual orientation' -- revolving around men and manhood, which is relevant both in the west and the east, but men in western countries do not have a space to address these issues, and also that their cultural mindset makes them incapable to comprehend the exact parameters of these issues. ( Masculinity ( talk) 17:17, 15 February 2008 (UTC))
Perhaps you would be interested in joining WP:LGBT? It sounds like you could be an asset to the project, helping to fill in a gap in our expertise, as we are, without question, dominantly western. I invite you to take a look at the project, and join if you care to do so. Aleta (Sing) 16:08, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Thank you, I will love to join.
Hi, I joined the WP:LGBT, but I have no idea how to get involved and share my concerns. Can you help me?
Thank you William. I'll need all the help I can get. Its late at night at my end, so I'll go to sleep now. Tomorrow have an exam. Probably, will get to the computer tommorrow night. ( Masculinity ( talk) 19:53, 16 February 2008 (UTC))
Hi, Masculinity, welcome to WikiProject LGBT Studies! We are a growing community of Wikipedia editors dedicated to identifying, categorizing, and improving articles regarding lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender ( LGBT) and intersex people. LGBT Studies covers people, culture, history, and related subjects concerning sexual identity and gender identity - this covers a lot of ground and your help is appreciated! Some points that may be helpful:
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Hi Masculinity, I notice you recently made additions to Homosexuality that have been reverted as original research. I suggest you read through WP:NOR thoroughly. I appreciate the perspective you are trying to bring, but it is absolutely imperative that you cite any additions to articles with reliable sources. If you don't, people will revert your changes. All material should be cited, but material that is likely to be controversial, as yours is, especially has to be well cited. I know you have at least one source for some of it, but you need to find some more before trying to add it to articles, and include the references when you make the additions. I noticed there was a placeholder saying "insert footnote here" in your previous edits. If you are working on something, but don't yet have all the reference material handy, you might want to build your work in your sandbox, which you can create by clicking on User:Masculinity/sandbox. Then, when your edits are actually referenced and ready to go in an article, you can transfer them there. Aleta (Sing) 00:26, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello Aleta,
I have three references, as of now. And I wanted to add them. But I was not being permitted to add it, for some reason. That is what I want help on.
Also, don't you think that even if there is one valid source -- and too as important one as UNESCO, it shoudl be enough at least to mention that there is a divergence of view.
regards ( Masculinity ( talk) 17:52, 19 February 2008 (UTC))
Aleta, thanx ... I think I was doing it all wrong. I clicked the edit button of the reference section to put in text, and there were no references there. I think in a previous article I had done it that way.
But I think now I can do it. But before that I'll put my text and the references up for others to see at the discussion page. ( Masculinity ( talk) 15:00, 21 February 2008 (UTC))
Hi, the recent edit you made to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBT studies has been reverted, as it appears to be unconstructive. Use the sandbox for testing; if you believe the edit was constructive, ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing. Thanks. Steve Crossin ( talk) 12:36, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
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oops! I usually sign it, but sometimes, when I'm in a hurry, I do forget. ( Masculinity ( talk) 05:06, 6 March 2008 (UTC))
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Click the history tab up top at the Gay article or click here [1]. By the way, the removal was not sabotage. Edit summaries were provided and reasons were provided on the talk page. -- NeilN talk ♦ contribs 16:28, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
You will usually receive a notice on your talk page if your edit was reverted because it was against wikipedia policies or guidelines. If your edit was undone for other reasons you should check the edit summary or the talk page. Do you want some links to guidelines on how wikipedia works? -- NeilN talk ♦ contribs 16:43, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Regarding original research, you were given a link to wikipedia policy above. Do you have any questions? -- NeilN talk ♦ contribs 16:48, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we would like to remind you not to attack other editors, as you did on Talk:Non-western concepts of male sexuality#Overzealous editing. Please comment on the contributions and not the contributors. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Queerudite ( talk) 18:53, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi Masculinity, I realize you have frustrations with some of the reception your contributions have been receiving. I'd just like to suggest, however, that tossing around terms like "strong gay lobby" and accusing editors with whom you have a disagreement of bias is not a very productive strategy for building consensus. Even if they are biased (and I am not saying that - you won't get me to address that either way), those sorts of comments tend to alienate people and make them less likely to work constructively with you. It also either violates, or at least comes close to violating the no personal attacks policy. Aleta Sing 00:26, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
As for whether anyone can go and edit the article without asking your permission, yes, they can do that. You may be the original or main author of an article, but you don't own it. It is, of course, a good idea and polite for people to discuss major changes, but adding tags doesn't generally come under that heading. Aleta Sing 00:26, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
This advice is meant to be friendly and constructive. I hope that's how you take it. :) If you have any questions, I'll try to help. Aleta Sing 00:26, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Another editor (I don't recall whom at the moment) suggested filing a request for comment as a way of getting additional opinions about the article from a wider spectrum of editors. I think this is a good idea, and I encourage you to pursue it. Aleta Sing 00:26, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Given that you are having several protracted discussions with other editors on various talk pages, I think that it would be valuable for you to learn how to properly format your contributions for maximum readability. The two most important things: (1) you should stop putting extra spaces between your paragraphs (one carriage return is adequate to mark a new paragraph); (2) when you are replying to a previous comment, make sure to use an indentation (a colon (:) preceding each paragraph). Add extra colons for extra indentations as needed. Consult WP:Talk page#Formatting for your reference. Also, please stop using ALL CAPS to make important points. It comes across as WP:Uncivil. Thanks.-- Agnaramasi ( talk) 19:01, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Aleta Sing 18:20, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
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Hey Masculinity, I think it would be a good idea to slow down adding information on the same topic to different articles. At least wait a bit and see how the RFC goes at Talk:Gay, and discuss proposed changes that are likely to be controversial on talk pages. OK? Aleta Sing 03:07, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Aleta Sing 04:17, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Here is a place you can ask questions, tell us we're part of "a segment of the LGBT community, the chauvinists who don't want the non-Western voice to be heard", suggest changes to all of the articles you want, etc. Your back-and-forth loooooong debates where you insert quotes and references makes the pages hard to read. Talking on the discussion pages is fine, but for the very long references and quotes, try adding them here first and ask people to take a look by linking to this talk page. I'm not going to let you drag me into another pointless argument on these talk pages because I don't know if that's your goal on Wikipedia, to argue, but most of us are here for more than just these articles that you're concentrating on. AgnosticPreachersKid ( talk) 15:17, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi Masculinity. I agree with some of the proposed changes but I do wish that you were a bit more patient. When you are forceful people are quick to be offended. Also, don't allow them to take you off topic, as when the discussion morphed to the femininized male in western society. That's an argument you won't win and it waters down the more important points. It gives your critics something to bite at. Otherwise, I think you'd be wise to clean up the "Non-western masculity" page you created. Add the new information you've been gathering... with lots of great examples. Add that information about Japan... And then see if you can get it added to the See Also section at the bottom of the gay page. A lot of people seem to have been fighting a fight for so long they forget that theirs isn't the only way to see things. I also desperately wish that they would broaden their thinking, but it's a Utopian idea that needs to be massaged, not forced. It will happen sooner than you think. I think you managed well to get what you've gotten on there right now. Given someone doesn't come along and delete it all again! DEZnCHRIS ( talk) 21:55, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
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Thank you!
Thank you for your support in my RFA. The passed with a final count of (73/3/1), so I am now an administrator. Please let me know if at any stage you need help, or if you have comments on how I am doing as an admin. Have a nice day! :) Aleta Sing 19:29, 22 March 2008 (UTC) |
Hello, masculinity. I am kenvbk, you know me already. You are certainly posting up a storm here on wikipedia. I only hope that you do no alienate people and end up getting banned. That would be a shame. Feel free to add more comments on my page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Taeda ( talk • contribs) 19:46, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
So, since they are bent on tearing apart the UNESCO resource... what else do you have? You seem to have been quoting various other things over the last while. Can you just pass me the sources for those and I'll investigate a bit, too. Thanks. DEZnCHRIS ( talk) 18:03, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
I will do what I can. What are the main thrusts of the project right now? Taeda ( talk) 20:41, 28 March 2008 (UTC)Taeda
Which page needs to link to the "non-western" page?? gay? Taeda ( talk) 22:58, 31 March 2008 (UTC)Taeda
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Hello.
You've been adding, repeatedly and despite warnings not to do so, inappropriate external links to articles such as sexual orientation and gay. They way you're going about this makes it appear as though you are grandstanding for a particular point of view— something which is very much inappropriate in an encyclopedia. You need to gather consensus for changes on the articles' talk pages if you feel that they are not properly neutral, or show systemic bias (that is, are centered on a specific culture and not adequately representing a universal outlook).
If you continue to make unilateral additions to articles, no matter what your ultimate intention is, you will be viewed as disruptive and might end up being blocked. Please take the time to read and understand the policies and resources I've provided you. — Coren (talk) 22:21, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
I predict someone will delete or try to delete this article. Why don't you draft in in your user space first--and make sure it has references and reflects a neutral point of view; that way, it will be much more difficult for an admin to delete it. It's easy to create a subpage for this purpose. Let me know if you need help.-- The Fat Man Who Never Came Back ( talk) 16:17, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
the replies below were copied from User talk:The Fat Man Who Never Came Back-- The Fat Man Who Never Came Back ( talk) 16:50, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I would like your help. I was expecting this... but nevertheless, its always worth it to try. :-) ( Masculinity ( talk) 16:36, 9 August 2008 (UTC))
How can i create a 'rough' page and put it up for discussion? ( Masculinity ( talk) 16:38, 9 August 2008 (UTC))
I have nominated Heterosexualization, an article you created, for deletion. I do not feel that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Heterosexualization. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? Aleta Sing 16:30, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi Masculinity, check out the Heteronormativity article (not our best article, but at least it makes some attempt to follow wiki-guidelines). Consider contributing to that article instead--it overlaps very closely with the concepts you discuss in your Heterosexualization article. If I were you, I might add a section to that article (with inline references!) that talks about how Heteronormativity is especially prevalent in Western societies.-- The Fat Man Who Never Came Back ( talk) 17:20, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
That's where you can now find the article and clean it up at your leisure. You should get some other opinions about whether or not it's ready before you put it back in mainspace again. Aleta Sing 17:38, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
A couple suggestions to start out:
In short, this article will only be allowed back into the mainspace if you can demonstrate that Heterosexualization is a previously identified and studied phenomenon and not a new construct that you have identified yourself.-- The Fat Man Who Never Came Back ( talk) 20:38, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
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Hi Masculinity, another user has nominated that article for deletion. You can comment in the deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Heterosexualization (2nd nomination). Aleta Sing 02:55, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
You seem to be struggling somewhat with your editing of this article, in particular, your use of sources and images. It would be very useful, if you can go away and study the problems that you are having with your editing before filling the edit history of this article with non-constructive edits and thus burying counting changes for other editors. You should also be making use of the preview function before editing an article and making yet another mistake. I hope you take this well, as most of your problems span from a lack of technical understanding when it comes to MediaWiki. It appears that your intentions are good, but action has been and continues to be taken against editors who are seen to be disruptive.
Your starting point should be the welcome message posted t the top of this page. Good luck. forestPIG (grunt) 18:45, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
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I reverted this hateful personal attack on you talk page. I assume this to be ok. Good job on the LGBT articles, btw -- Adam in MO Talk 09:50, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
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I thought the material you brought in was very important and would fill a major gap in that article. I would encourage you to find a couple of sources to back it up and to return it to the article. Let me know if you need a hand with the final editing. Haiduc ( talk) 11:24, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
Hello, Masculinity. I remember you. You most likely do not remember me, because we did not converse for too long, but it was at the Homosexuality article (back in 2008). Anyway, I reverted your recent changes to the lead of the Gender article. The reasons why are stated there. I would be more than willing to work out the design of the lead with you. Flyer22 ( talk) 18:12, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
Since you're the editor whose work I just substantially edited and you may find the reasons useful, please see Talk:Sexual_orientation#editing_on_indigenous_and_non-Western_concept. Thanks and best wishes. Nick Levinson ( talk) 20:24, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
Hi Masculinity. I reverted your unreferenced edit to Human male sexuality, but regretted this and put most of it back in. However, it really needs a reference! Please put it in, so it won't be removed again... Lova Falk talk 11:43, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
Masculinity, if you're going to make such big changes, then you must provide sources for your information. If the concept of gender is understood differently on a West/non-West basis, then it would be right and proper for the gender article to provide this information. However, you must provide sources, such as articles written by or quoting expert philosophers or social scientists who hold this view.
I figure that you believe that your concept of gender is right and you want to get accurate information out to the readers, but you're going to have to do it with reliable sources or your contributions aren't going to stay visible very long. Using sources will also make your contribs look more credible, which could have a bigger effect on more readers in the long run.
The other problem is that your changes were in the wrong place. The introduction of the article should cover what the concept is long before getting into how the concept is understood differently in different parts of the world. Unlike, say, orientalism, the way cultures differ from each other isn't central to the concept of gender. You might want to take a look at WP: LEAD for more information on what a Wikipedia introduction should look like. Darkfrog24 ( talk) 13:48, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
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Basically, the additions you made to the introduction just feel rather out of place. There is a lot of focus on the word "eunuch" as an insult, which doesn't really belong in an introduction to a subject. On the other hand, the piece about being a Eunuch for the sake of God could be a worthwhile additions. Could you clean it up a bit, maybe pull some of that material out of the introduction you wrote and put it into its own section? I've reverted the changes you made due to the overall tone that it invokes, but I suspect much of that material could be worthwhile otherwise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sawyeke ( talk • contribs) 00:20, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
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Hi, I moved your latest comments (without changing it) to the end of the talk page you wrote it on. I hope you don't mind. New sections go at the end of the page. I have taken notice of the comment and will read through the page. I don't have access to a great many sources, but I have some relevant material and may be able to help. -- Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 09:34, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
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Please do not add inappropriate external links to Wikipedia, as you did to Gay. Wikipedia is not a collection of links, nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Inappropriate links include (but are not limited to) links to personal web sites, links to web sites with which you are affiliated, and links that attract visitors to a web site or promote a product. See the external links guideline and spam guideline for further explanations. Since Wikipedia uses nofollow tags, external links do not alter search engine rankings. If you feel the link should be added to the article, please discuss it on the article's talk page rather than re-adding it. Thank you.-- The Fat Man Who Never Came Back ( talk) 15:00, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello, Masculinity, and welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages you might find helpful:
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Thank you Satyr. I will take your help as and when needed.( Masculinity ( talk) 05:02, 17 February 2008 (UTC))
Thanks for the note you left me on my talk page. It's always better to discuss potentially problematic links than to edit war. Let's discuss the merit of the link you inserted on the discussion page for the Gay article, so that others can join the discussion as well.-- The Fat Man Who Never Came Back ( talk) 15:19, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
The entire idea that people, especially men, can be divided on the basis of their 'proclaimed' sexuality is a concept peculiar to the modern west, and to discuss the concept as a universal phenomena, and to judge or study sexuality, men and masculinities in other cultures or in other times on the basis of these concepts not only distorts and misrepresents their reality, but is also seen as oppressive by people on whom the west enforces these identities, often through the one-sided process of globalisation.
Wikipedia, should take into account this fact when discussing modern western concepts such as 'sexual orientation', 'homosexuality', 'heterosexuality', 'gay' and 'straight', etc., and it should clearly mention this fact, because, although it is an English site, it is meant for the entire world, and not only for the western world.
Only that will make it a truly relevant and global site.
Well, thank you. I'll try my best. ( Masculinity ( talk) 16:07, 15 February 2008 (UTC))
<<find some statements or sections of articles that seem unduly biased toward Western notions of sexuality. Discuss those sections on the articles' talk pages, and try your hand at rewriting these sections citing reliable sources--for example, the UNESCO publication we discussed earlier.>>
Eventhough, I'm going to follow this advice in articles on wikipedia related to such topics, in this particular case, the problem seems to not to be what the article says, but rather what it does not say. It describes the social construction of human, especially male sexuality, as it is formally and popularly seen in the west ... assuming it to be universally applicable. As far as the article is concerned, the only difference is between people who are open about their 'gay' identities and those men who relate with sexually wtih other men but do not call themselves gay, who are described as 'closeted' (or bicurious or so). A person from the orient finds the entire notion of isolation on the basis of so-called 'sexual orientation' problematic. When almost everyman is involved in some sexual way with another man, you don't really feel different for liking men.
How do you explain this dichotomy in the article? The term 'Gay' carries with it all the negative baggages of the 'heterosexualised' society, where the pressures on men to disown their same-sex needs is so extreme, that only very few men think of indulging in male-to-male sexuality by acknowledging it. The rest either keep away totally and deny their feelings, or indulge in male-eroticism without acknowledging their own interest. The term 'gay' is based on the lots of assumptions which are invalid in a non-western, non-heterosexualised world. E.g., the very concept of their being 'gay' assumes that most men do not feel sexuality towards other men. Then, who is defined as the 'same-sex'. The western culture only considers the outer sex of an individual when deciding their sex-identity, but in most non-western cultures, the sex-identity also involves, compulsorily the Gender or the inner sex of an individual. Thus a Hijra may have a penis, but he will be a different 'sex' or rather 'gender' than 'Men', because s(he) is a woman inside a man. A man and Hijra having sex is not seen as 'same-sex' in non-western countries. Of course, the west doesn't recognise 'Gender' as a valid human phenomena, and ascribes it to a mental aberration. Then of course, there is a whole lot of conspiracies behind the very concept of 'gay' or 'sexual orientation' -- revolving around men and manhood, which is relevant both in the west and the east, but men in western countries do not have a space to address these issues, and also that their cultural mindset makes them incapable to comprehend the exact parameters of these issues. ( Masculinity ( talk) 17:17, 15 February 2008 (UTC))
Perhaps you would be interested in joining WP:LGBT? It sounds like you could be an asset to the project, helping to fill in a gap in our expertise, as we are, without question, dominantly western. I invite you to take a look at the project, and join if you care to do so. Aleta (Sing) 16:08, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Thank you, I will love to join.
Hi, I joined the WP:LGBT, but I have no idea how to get involved and share my concerns. Can you help me?
Thank you William. I'll need all the help I can get. Its late at night at my end, so I'll go to sleep now. Tomorrow have an exam. Probably, will get to the computer tommorrow night. ( Masculinity ( talk) 19:53, 16 February 2008 (UTC))
Hi, Masculinity, welcome to WikiProject LGBT Studies! We are a growing community of Wikipedia editors dedicated to identifying, categorizing, and improving articles regarding lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender ( LGBT) and intersex people. LGBT Studies covers people, culture, history, and related subjects concerning sexual identity and gender identity - this covers a lot of ground and your help is appreciated! Some points that may be helpful:
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Hi Masculinity, I notice you recently made additions to Homosexuality that have been reverted as original research. I suggest you read through WP:NOR thoroughly. I appreciate the perspective you are trying to bring, but it is absolutely imperative that you cite any additions to articles with reliable sources. If you don't, people will revert your changes. All material should be cited, but material that is likely to be controversial, as yours is, especially has to be well cited. I know you have at least one source for some of it, but you need to find some more before trying to add it to articles, and include the references when you make the additions. I noticed there was a placeholder saying "insert footnote here" in your previous edits. If you are working on something, but don't yet have all the reference material handy, you might want to build your work in your sandbox, which you can create by clicking on User:Masculinity/sandbox. Then, when your edits are actually referenced and ready to go in an article, you can transfer them there. Aleta (Sing) 00:26, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello Aleta,
I have three references, as of now. And I wanted to add them. But I was not being permitted to add it, for some reason. That is what I want help on.
Also, don't you think that even if there is one valid source -- and too as important one as UNESCO, it shoudl be enough at least to mention that there is a divergence of view.
regards ( Masculinity ( talk) 17:52, 19 February 2008 (UTC))
Aleta, thanx ... I think I was doing it all wrong. I clicked the edit button of the reference section to put in text, and there were no references there. I think in a previous article I had done it that way.
But I think now I can do it. But before that I'll put my text and the references up for others to see at the discussion page. ( Masculinity ( talk) 15:00, 21 February 2008 (UTC))
Hi, the recent edit you made to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBT studies has been reverted, as it appears to be unconstructive. Use the sandbox for testing; if you believe the edit was constructive, ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing. Thanks. Steve Crossin ( talk) 12:36, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
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oops! I usually sign it, but sometimes, when I'm in a hurry, I do forget. ( Masculinity ( talk) 05:06, 6 March 2008 (UTC))
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Gay. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. NeilN talk ♦ contribs 16:15, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Click the history tab up top at the Gay article or click here [1]. By the way, the removal was not sabotage. Edit summaries were provided and reasons were provided on the talk page. -- NeilN talk ♦ contribs 16:28, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
You will usually receive a notice on your talk page if your edit was reverted because it was against wikipedia policies or guidelines. If your edit was undone for other reasons you should check the edit summary or the talk page. Do you want some links to guidelines on how wikipedia works? -- NeilN talk ♦ contribs 16:43, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Regarding original research, you were given a link to wikipedia policy above. Do you have any questions? -- NeilN talk ♦ contribs 16:48, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we would like to remind you not to attack other editors, as you did on Talk:Non-western concepts of male sexuality#Overzealous editing. Please comment on the contributions and not the contributors. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Queerudite ( talk) 18:53, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi Masculinity, I realize you have frustrations with some of the reception your contributions have been receiving. I'd just like to suggest, however, that tossing around terms like "strong gay lobby" and accusing editors with whom you have a disagreement of bias is not a very productive strategy for building consensus. Even if they are biased (and I am not saying that - you won't get me to address that either way), those sorts of comments tend to alienate people and make them less likely to work constructively with you. It also either violates, or at least comes close to violating the no personal attacks policy. Aleta Sing 00:26, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
As for whether anyone can go and edit the article without asking your permission, yes, they can do that. You may be the original or main author of an article, but you don't own it. It is, of course, a good idea and polite for people to discuss major changes, but adding tags doesn't generally come under that heading. Aleta Sing 00:26, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
This advice is meant to be friendly and constructive. I hope that's how you take it. :) If you have any questions, I'll try to help. Aleta Sing 00:26, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Another editor (I don't recall whom at the moment) suggested filing a request for comment as a way of getting additional opinions about the article from a wider spectrum of editors. I think this is a good idea, and I encourage you to pursue it. Aleta Sing 00:26, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Given that you are having several protracted discussions with other editors on various talk pages, I think that it would be valuable for you to learn how to properly format your contributions for maximum readability. The two most important things: (1) you should stop putting extra spaces between your paragraphs (one carriage return is adequate to mark a new paragraph); (2) when you are replying to a previous comment, make sure to use an indentation (a colon (:) preceding each paragraph). Add extra colons for extra indentations as needed. Consult WP:Talk page#Formatting for your reference. Also, please stop using ALL CAPS to make important points. It comes across as WP:Uncivil. Thanks.-- Agnaramasi ( talk) 19:01, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Aleta Sing 18:20, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
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Hey Masculinity, I think it would be a good idea to slow down adding information on the same topic to different articles. At least wait a bit and see how the RFC goes at Talk:Gay, and discuss proposed changes that are likely to be controversial on talk pages. OK? Aleta Sing 03:07, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Aleta Sing 04:17, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Here is a place you can ask questions, tell us we're part of "a segment of the LGBT community, the chauvinists who don't want the non-Western voice to be heard", suggest changes to all of the articles you want, etc. Your back-and-forth loooooong debates where you insert quotes and references makes the pages hard to read. Talking on the discussion pages is fine, but for the very long references and quotes, try adding them here first and ask people to take a look by linking to this talk page. I'm not going to let you drag me into another pointless argument on these talk pages because I don't know if that's your goal on Wikipedia, to argue, but most of us are here for more than just these articles that you're concentrating on. AgnosticPreachersKid ( talk) 15:17, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi Masculinity. I agree with some of the proposed changes but I do wish that you were a bit more patient. When you are forceful people are quick to be offended. Also, don't allow them to take you off topic, as when the discussion morphed to the femininized male in western society. That's an argument you won't win and it waters down the more important points. It gives your critics something to bite at. Otherwise, I think you'd be wise to clean up the "Non-western masculity" page you created. Add the new information you've been gathering... with lots of great examples. Add that information about Japan... And then see if you can get it added to the See Also section at the bottom of the gay page. A lot of people seem to have been fighting a fight for so long they forget that theirs isn't the only way to see things. I also desperately wish that they would broaden their thinking, but it's a Utopian idea that needs to be massaged, not forced. It will happen sooner than you think. I think you managed well to get what you've gotten on there right now. Given someone doesn't come along and delete it all again! DEZnCHRIS ( talk) 21:55, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
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Thank you!
Thank you for your support in my RFA. The passed with a final count of (73/3/1), so I am now an administrator. Please let me know if at any stage you need help, or if you have comments on how I am doing as an admin. Have a nice day! :) Aleta Sing 19:29, 22 March 2008 (UTC) |
Hello, masculinity. I am kenvbk, you know me already. You are certainly posting up a storm here on wikipedia. I only hope that you do no alienate people and end up getting banned. That would be a shame. Feel free to add more comments on my page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Taeda ( talk • contribs) 19:46, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
So, since they are bent on tearing apart the UNESCO resource... what else do you have? You seem to have been quoting various other things over the last while. Can you just pass me the sources for those and I'll investigate a bit, too. Thanks. DEZnCHRIS ( talk) 18:03, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
I will do what I can. What are the main thrusts of the project right now? Taeda ( talk) 20:41, 28 March 2008 (UTC)Taeda
Which page needs to link to the "non-western" page?? gay? Taeda ( talk) 22:58, 31 March 2008 (UTC)Taeda
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Hello.
You've been adding, repeatedly and despite warnings not to do so, inappropriate external links to articles such as sexual orientation and gay. They way you're going about this makes it appear as though you are grandstanding for a particular point of view— something which is very much inappropriate in an encyclopedia. You need to gather consensus for changes on the articles' talk pages if you feel that they are not properly neutral, or show systemic bias (that is, are centered on a specific culture and not adequately representing a universal outlook).
If you continue to make unilateral additions to articles, no matter what your ultimate intention is, you will be viewed as disruptive and might end up being blocked. Please take the time to read and understand the policies and resources I've provided you. — Coren (talk) 22:21, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
I predict someone will delete or try to delete this article. Why don't you draft in in your user space first--and make sure it has references and reflects a neutral point of view; that way, it will be much more difficult for an admin to delete it. It's easy to create a subpage for this purpose. Let me know if you need help.-- The Fat Man Who Never Came Back ( talk) 16:17, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
the replies below were copied from User talk:The Fat Man Who Never Came Back-- The Fat Man Who Never Came Back ( talk) 16:50, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I would like your help. I was expecting this... but nevertheless, its always worth it to try. :-) ( Masculinity ( talk) 16:36, 9 August 2008 (UTC))
How can i create a 'rough' page and put it up for discussion? ( Masculinity ( talk) 16:38, 9 August 2008 (UTC))
I have nominated Heterosexualization, an article you created, for deletion. I do not feel that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Heterosexualization. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? Aleta Sing 16:30, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi Masculinity, check out the Heteronormativity article (not our best article, but at least it makes some attempt to follow wiki-guidelines). Consider contributing to that article instead--it overlaps very closely with the concepts you discuss in your Heterosexualization article. If I were you, I might add a section to that article (with inline references!) that talks about how Heteronormativity is especially prevalent in Western societies.-- The Fat Man Who Never Came Back ( talk) 17:20, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
That's where you can now find the article and clean it up at your leisure. You should get some other opinions about whether or not it's ready before you put it back in mainspace again. Aleta Sing 17:38, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
A couple suggestions to start out:
In short, this article will only be allowed back into the mainspace if you can demonstrate that Heterosexualization is a previously identified and studied phenomenon and not a new construct that you have identified yourself.-- The Fat Man Who Never Came Back ( talk) 20:38, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
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Hi Masculinity, another user has nominated that article for deletion. You can comment in the deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Heterosexualization (2nd nomination). Aleta Sing 02:55, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
You seem to be struggling somewhat with your editing of this article, in particular, your use of sources and images. It would be very useful, if you can go away and study the problems that you are having with your editing before filling the edit history of this article with non-constructive edits and thus burying counting changes for other editors. You should also be making use of the preview function before editing an article and making yet another mistake. I hope you take this well, as most of your problems span from a lack of technical understanding when it comes to MediaWiki. It appears that your intentions are good, but action has been and continues to be taken against editors who are seen to be disruptive.
Your starting point should be the welcome message posted t the top of this page. Good luck. forestPIG (grunt) 18:45, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Hello. Concerning your contribution, Dude you're a fag, please note that Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted text or images obtained from other web sites or printed material, without the permission of the author(s). This article or image appears to be a direct copy from http://www.powells.com/biblio/1-9780520252301-0. As a copyright violation, Dude you're a fag appears to qualify for deletion under the speedy deletion criteria. Dude you're a fag has been tagged for deletion, and may have been deleted by the time you see this message.
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I reverted this hateful personal attack on you talk page. I assume this to be ok. Good job on the LGBT articles, btw -- Adam in MO Talk 09:50, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi, the Men's spaces article was recently prodded as noted above. I removed the prod in objection (though it may go through a AFD/Articles for Deletion nomination if nominated at a later date) and did some minor cleanup (minor edits and tags). This article (and the Non-westernized concepts of male sexuality one) have interesting concepts (speaking as a westerner) and it would be great if they could be salvaged (and expanded and clarified, etc), but if they don't make more progress toward a WP:NPOV tone (more neutral-reading language, balanced opinions, more fact less opinion, etc) they may end up deleted in the future. It would also be very helpful if you would list actual cultures/societies in examples instead of stating that the entire non-western world is such and such way. Thanks, Outsider80 ( talk) 22:01, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
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I thought the material you brought in was very important and would fill a major gap in that article. I would encourage you to find a couple of sources to back it up and to return it to the article. Let me know if you need a hand with the final editing. Haiduc ( talk) 11:24, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
Hello, Masculinity. I remember you. You most likely do not remember me, because we did not converse for too long, but it was at the Homosexuality article (back in 2008). Anyway, I reverted your recent changes to the lead of the Gender article. The reasons why are stated there. I would be more than willing to work out the design of the lead with you. Flyer22 ( talk) 18:12, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
Since you're the editor whose work I just substantially edited and you may find the reasons useful, please see Talk:Sexual_orientation#editing_on_indigenous_and_non-Western_concept. Thanks and best wishes. Nick Levinson ( talk) 20:24, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
Hi Masculinity. I reverted your unreferenced edit to Human male sexuality, but regretted this and put most of it back in. However, it really needs a reference! Please put it in, so it won't be removed again... Lova Falk talk 11:43, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
Masculinity, if you're going to make such big changes, then you must provide sources for your information. If the concept of gender is understood differently on a West/non-West basis, then it would be right and proper for the gender article to provide this information. However, you must provide sources, such as articles written by or quoting expert philosophers or social scientists who hold this view.
I figure that you believe that your concept of gender is right and you want to get accurate information out to the readers, but you're going to have to do it with reliable sources or your contributions aren't going to stay visible very long. Using sources will also make your contribs look more credible, which could have a bigger effect on more readers in the long run.
The other problem is that your changes were in the wrong place. The introduction of the article should cover what the concept is long before getting into how the concept is understood differently in different parts of the world. Unlike, say, orientalism, the way cultures differ from each other isn't central to the concept of gender. You might want to take a look at WP: LEAD for more information on what a Wikipedia introduction should look like. Darkfrog24 ( talk) 13:48, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
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Basically, the additions you made to the introduction just feel rather out of place. There is a lot of focus on the word "eunuch" as an insult, which doesn't really belong in an introduction to a subject. On the other hand, the piece about being a Eunuch for the sake of God could be a worthwhile additions. Could you clean it up a bit, maybe pull some of that material out of the introduction you wrote and put it into its own section? I've reverted the changes you made due to the overall tone that it invokes, but I suspect much of that material could be worthwhile otherwise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sawyeke ( talk • contribs) 00:20, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
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Hi, I moved your latest comments (without changing it) to the end of the talk page you wrote it on. I hope you don't mind. New sections go at the end of the page. I have taken notice of the comment and will read through the page. I don't have access to a great many sources, but I have some relevant material and may be able to help. -- Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 09:34, 22 February 2020 (UTC)