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Spammers: I would like for this page to stay reasonably clean. If you have business with me, feel free to leave a comment, else please move on. Please ignore the gigantic eye in the corner with the pump-action shotgun.
Unsigned messages will be ignored. You can sign your messages with four tildes (~~~~). I reserve the right to disruptively eliminate gigantic blobs of wiki-markup from signatures on a whim if I think they're cluttering up my talk page.
...for your help with that request. That it is working is shown by this [1] -- he's back to using his still-alive socks to spawn new accounts. Have a happy new year; I appreciate your work here. Antandrus (talk) 16:44, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
I think this account is a sockpuppet or impersonator of Cplot...The username. User:Abouthere
Mackensen: I reverted some vandalism to your userpage, but there were a couple of edit conflicts as I was doing so, so could you please doublecheck the userpage and make sure I caught it all and it's as you want it to be. Regards, Newyorkbrad 01:11, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
This article has been restored after its deletion was contested at Wikipedia:Deletion review. As you nominated the article to be deleted via WP:PROD, you may wish to nominate the article for a full deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. -- nae' blis 04:53, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Touché :-)
Giano
18:49, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi, we seem to be having collateral damage from the Cplot-related 68.30.0.0/16 range block, see Sadler@d50.org ( talk · contribs). I was taking it to Dmcdevit (who actually instated the block) but he seems to be away on vacations. The autoblocked user has been getting rather impatient because it was never really explained to him what was going on. Do you think there's anything we can do for him? Would it be safe to lighten the range block again at this point? I realise the Cplot case is a pretty nasty one. Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:20, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
You've got mail (forgot to mention that earlier). — Wknight94 ( talk) 03:04, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
It was suggested on WP:ANI that I bring this to you since Dmcdevit is on break right now. I unblocked 209.244.43.209 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) as per this conversation. The Showster ( talk · contribs) was caught behind the autoblock on this one. This stems from Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Bowser Koopa. However, I want to get input on this. I'm curious if I should reblock the IP address with the indefinite expiration time but make it for anonymous only (and disable account creation). Would this be more appropriate? Or should it just be the outright unblock? My concern is that I've opened us up to a flood of vandalism by completely opening up the IP address. I'm wondering if you feel that the vandalism stemming from this IP address and users on the IP address warrants a soft block with account creation disabled but one which allows currently registered accounts to be used would be more appropriate. Metros232 14:44, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Actually,the block is not preventing me from editing, so go ahead and block it if more vandalism came from it.-- The Showster 20:17, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Cplot seems more intended on using IPs instead of user accounts to poison the water at the village pump with his diatribes. Also, Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Cplot is attracting a few sockpuppets. I've dumped a whole lot of them at RFCU but I dread thinking about the number of socks there might be in the drawer. MER-C 04:43, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering if you were still active with the Trivia Cleanup project. Seeing as how Category:Articles with large trivia sections hasn't gone down much, I figured many people became inactive. I've created a talk page discussion here, asking if people are active or not: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trivia_Cleanup#Who_is_still_active_with_the_project.3F. RobJ1981 06:29, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
While I think I understand what you were saying here ( [2]) I'll have to assume good faith that you didn't intend to be as harsh in your reply as it read to me.
At the risk of sounding stupid (as I explained, I am something of a novice to process, but do quite a bit of vandal reversion, so am keen to learn correct process) I presume that with a disruptive established user, the correct thing to do would be to write specific-to-case messages, rather than dashing off an off-the-peg template, but that this is something more to do with etiquette than a WP policy. -- Dweller 12:50, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi Mackensen, thanks for your comments on my RFA and thanks for taking the time to read my answers to the many questions posed. I appreciate that good editors shouldn't be treated like common vandals, moreover that's why I suggested I'd try to discuss the situation with them before resorting to the use of templates. I have seen on at least one occasion a good, established user going off the rails (for whatever reason) who it became impossible to reason with who was then given the standard test templates before being blocked. I would be interested to hear how you would deal with this situation, if you don't mind giving me a little more of your time. Cheers! Budgiekiller 12:57, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I understand, so in these cases, we adopt an WP:IAR kind of approach to giving them final t3/t4 style warnings, keep discussing until the point of no return and then block them? It makes sense, and I understand the use of templates could send an established user further over the edge. I would most certainly be judicious in their use, and would hope that my negotiations would be sufficient. I'm sorry that this point has caused an oppose, but I fully understand your concerns and look forward to bumping into you in the future. Budgiekiller 13:20, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Okay, point made. I feel that in general all my contributions here are made with respect and good faith to all editors, including vandals who insult me and my family. I would do my best, but then I'm not infallible. Thank you, once again, for your time and interest. Budgiekiller 13:45, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry about forgetting to list the reason for editing. Lesson learned. Can you unblock me, please?
Hi, I'm trying to evaluate H4xx0r ( talk · contribs)'s unblock request. Your block-reason was very sparse. Do you mind elaborating further? --- J.S ( T/ C/ WRE) 20:32, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I know you've helped with the title of Robert Baden-Powell's article before, Robert Baden-Powell, 1st Baron Baden-Powell and the explanation at the top of the article itself. I've always wondered that his wife's article is just Olave Baden-Powell. Shouldn't it be "Olave, Lady Baden-Powell]] (which is a redirect now) or something? Could you help with the proper title per wiki rrules and British customs and an bit in the lead of Olave's article? I think the two articles should be titled similarly and I'd like to improve Olave's article. Being an American, I simply don't understand peerage titles. Rlevse 14:56, 11 January 2007 (UTC), ScoutingWikiProject Lead Coordinator
Thanks for reverting. Could you do it once more? The user switched IP and re-reverted. I checked the WHOISes (or should the plural be WHOARE?), definitely the same guy, so I blocked it, but I'm still at 3 reverts. Even though I have a BLP/vandalism defence, it would be annoying if I had to wait for someone to unblock me. -- Sam Blanning (talk) 16:13, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Hey, thanks for participating in my recent RFA. You were amongst a number of editors who considered that I wasn't ready for the mop yet and as a consequence the RFA did not succeed (69/26/11). I am extremely grateful that you took the time to advise me on to improve as a Wikipedian and I'd like to assure you that I'll do my level best to develop my skills here to a point where you may feel you could trust me with the mop.
I've been blown away by the level of interest taken in my RFA and appreciate the time and energy dedicated by all the editors who have contributed to it, support, oppose and neutral alike. I hope to bump into you again soon and look forward to serving you and Wikipedia in any way I can. Cheers! The Rambling Man 19:38, 11 January 2007 (UTC) (the non-admin, formerly known as Budgiekiller)
First of all, thanks for your help with the Tooj117 case. Regarding future procedures; it seems that I've misunderstood the instructions at the top of [ [3]] (which lead me to believe I should add new suspected socks to the top of that page and simply place the {{Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Tooj117}} template on the actual checkuser page....so instead, I should just write up a new request under the CU IP section with a reference to the original case? Thanks, OhNoitsJamie Talk 00:09, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Will I need to move the IP's to WP:OP or can you take a look? Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Enlighter1. One is already blocked. Agathoclea 00:34, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm done for a good while, if you want to tear into what I put up. F.F.McGurk 00:50, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry for taking so long to reply. Thanks for unblocking me. Hope our paths cross again in the future. Until then, thanks a lot and happy editing! SD31415 (SIGN HERE) 12:37, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
An article that you have been involved in editing, List of syndicated broadcasters of Futurama, has been listed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of syndicated broadcasters of Futurama. Please look there to see why this is, if you are interested in whether it should be deleted. Thank you. -- Slowking Man 10:54, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
I m sorry I did not understand what u wrote in usercheck of Babbarshair page, can u pls explain phippi46 17:47, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
[5] Hi, I find the above diff suspicious, as Wikimajesty has not been blocked. I thought it might be appropriate to bring it to your attention that a checkuser might be appropriate for Wikimajesty, as the circumstances suggest he is yet another sockpuppet of American Brit. Thanks. -- Majorly 18:26, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
That's fine of course but please could you tell me if it was procedural (like I didn't present the 6RRs properly) or on a point of principle, just so I know for the future? I was advised by someone [6] to pursue this route on the sockpuppet farm but perhaps there is a better way? -- BozMo talk 20:41, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Since 84.172.86.125 (p54AC567D.dip.t-dialin.net) is a dynamic dial-up IP, isn't an indefinite block likely to cause collateral damage at some point in the future? -- Delirium 02:49, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Why have you declined requests for checkuser for Max rspct? What else can be done instead of a checkuser? -- Vision Thing -- 18:08, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
I've sent over some tissues for the Manual of Style... :-) Just H 18:43, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
My cache didn't load or something and I was booted out of my screename into a plain old IP, which was "soft blocked". My IP here is 64.241.37.140, it's a coffee shop in Nashua, New Hampshire(I live just over the border and come over for the lower taxes). I guess maybe somebody else vandalized from the other side of the room or something. I'll keep an eye out for them and let you know if I see them, this is my hangout, i'm here often. Just H 20:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Hello Mac, in the article Robert Baden-Powell, 1st Baron Baden-Powell, you have removed Sir from the formal name of B-P, with the edit comment that 'sir' should not be included when the holder is a peer. Do you have a reference for that? Wim van Dorst ( Talk) 20:36, 14 January 2007 (UTC).
Hello Mackensen. BenAveling has proposed that the abusive editor behind the Revolver Ocelot/Guardian Tiger accounts move to using yet another sock. That seems a bit too easy to me, as it removes the permitted aspect of the behavior but does not address the offensive aspect (harassment and stalking). Could you take a look at the new development on ANI, here? See also this and this. Best wishes, Bishonen | talk 07:43, 15 January 2007 (UTC).
Thanks for the quick response/action. It seems Nintendude has modified his username selection practices away from Metro Detroit/his highschool related naming conventions. I was going to add him to Wikipedia:Long term abuse but decided it against it because WP:DENY; I think he's an attention seeker and besides, if I document how easy it is to spot him it might encourage him to change more than just his username practices.-- Isotope23 18:55, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Time for a two-month block? Same IP as before...-- chris. lawson 22:09, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Could you take a look at this article? I would like an outside opinion on User:DeanHinnen. Hinnen is the last name BryanFromPalestine uses in his e-mails, and this user is following his edits. But the last time I thought I saw a clear cut puppet.... Yea... Prodego talk 22:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
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Hrmm, how come I never get random stuff like this? Guess I'm not on the right lists. -- Cyde Weys 21:23, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I appreciate the patience that you've shown in the recent thread at the Administrator's Notice Board. Despite mostly agreeing with the concept (if not the vitriol) of the side that is cast as "opposing" you, I value your commentary. Thus I present you with the "brenneman Wyrm award," showing your severed head and scaled tongue, sadly not forked. I'd note only that most recent accounts afford you with great wisdom, if questionable beauty.
I look forward to a reasonable outcome to this that will be despised equally by all sides, and to your continued tolerance of those with whom you disagree.
brenneman 00:57, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Per Essjay's request, you are hereby notified that a case, Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Arthur Ellis, has been deferred to you. Cheers, Daniel.Bryant [ T · C ] 07:26, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Keep the excellent work up with your {{ checkuserblock}}s - you've caught loads of sockpuppetmasters before they could get as bad as the most notorious vandals on Wikipedia. -- SunStar Net talk 01:51, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi Mackensen,
you deleted the article " CLC bio" using the "proposed deletion procedure" on 6th of December 2006. I'd like to ask you to undelete this lemma. Please let me know if this in not the right procedure to ask for undeletion.
thanks in advance Rewireable 14:21, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Here is the disputed sentence:
A former member of the Conservative Party, he has served as a councillor for the party on Adur District Council near Brighton. [7] [8]
Can you please give me one good reason why this sourced material should not be included in the article? User:Samuel Blanning has locked the discussion page and has deleted a valid question that I put to him. 195.92.67.75 17:52, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Can you review the block situation at 208.54.95.1 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)? It's apparently a T-mobile hotspot, and Dmcdevit blocked it, but someone just converted it to a soft block without waiting for an answer (see User talk:Dmcdevit. My recollection is the T-mobile hotspot business was one of cplot's tricks, but maybe I am conflating two different situations. Thatcher131 17:58, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
I have come to find out that User:Jefferson Anderson, User:999, User:Hanuman Das, User:Mattisse, and User:Ekajati have all been involved in an ArbCom case re: Starwood Festival and User:Rosencomet. They all seem to be following each other around WP, voting on the same things, such as the last Jahbulon AfD (which is what brings me here). We ended up with no consensus on the first two votes, and a keep on the 3rd. I don't want to put it up for DR, because it's half-decent now, but I'm concerned about this trend, because 4 or 5 votes will swing an AfD in some cases. Would it be phishing to ask for an RFCU, or has ArbCom done one? MSJapan 01:58, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Just letting you know that Essjay's deferred this case to you. Luna Santin 09:19, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for your support on my RfA, which closed favorably this morning. I appreciate the confidence the community has placed in me and am looking forward to my new responsibilities. Please let me know if ever you have any comments or suggestions, especially as I am learning how to use the tools. Best regards, Newyorkbrad 18:33, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
An article that you have been involved in editing, Constance Holland, has been listed by me at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Constance Holland. Please look there to see why this is, if you are interested in whether it should be deleted. Thank you. -- DGG 20:56, 22 January 2007 (UTC) DGG 20:56, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Since Dmcdevit has indicated on an ArbCom page that he's away for an unspecified length of time, could you please take a look at this and either unblock or decline the unblock. The user is requesting unblocking but there's a checkuser block note on the page so I'm deferring to Dmcdevit or, in his absence, to you or your designee. Newyorkbrad 23:37, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Is there a way of reconciling what you promised regarding discussion of Giano on the IRC admin channel and what Bishonen contends here? [9] -- Mcginnly | Natter 17:35, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Mack, those are the events I had in mind. I don't mean to quarrel with your reading, but I have my own. The discussion of whether it was bad to "say the G word" (=Giano), or bad to censor the saying of it, wasn't what I'd call short, nor "quickly redirected by an active chanop". It lasted for 27 minutes before Dmcdevit-- at the time "Dmcsleep" :-) --woke up and took issue with it, and after that for another ten minutes or so. I want to be absolutely clear that I don't begrudge the chanops dentistry, or sleep! They can't indeed always be there, and neither can I. (In fact, as I said, I've just come to the conclusion that there's little point in my being there at all.) The ten minutes after Dmcdevit joined in focused on a user's resentment at being threatened with a kickban by Dmcdevit for putting Giano in the topic. Actually, as was quickly made clear, this was a complete misunderstanding, but the user continued to grumble at being, putatively, rudely spoken to. This umbrage was what made me point to the rather different occasion when I was myself kickbanned from the channel, with no previous warning, no reason, and, to this day, no explanation. I suppose it's a matter of taste whether you'd call that context "Bishonen herself raised this matter". These were my words (with the user's name removed):
[07-01-20 21.02] <bishonen> [-] that's why i said the channel is "theoretically" for admins. there are non-admins who have ops in here. and who kick people for a lot less than saying any particular word. In fact for nothing. are you not aware of these things?
The "discussion" of my kickban lasted for all of one minute. It consisted of my words quoted above, an acknowledgement by the person I was speaking to that that sounded a lot worse than his own experience--in fact that a channel where such things happened was "kind of a sucky place"--a question from another user whether I had been banned for the mistaken perception that i had posted logs, which I never had time to reply to and in fact don't know the answer to (recollect that I can't tell what happens in a channel that I'm locked out of, nor have I been vouchsafed an explanation of the ban). Anyway, I was cut short by the remark you mention from as you say "a different user" that I ought not to speak of the matter--not "cover this ground again". Minutes aren't everything, but I think my brief interchange was supremely unimportant, especially in relation to the 38-minute "G-word" discussion. The whole thing is boring, in fact...but since you ask me to add to your narrative if I think it gives the wrong impression, I'll just add two things. Firstly, the "different user" who shut me up was an arbitrator. Much has been made of the supposed healthful effect of the increased presence of arbs in the channel, but this one didn't shut up anybody other than me. The G word apparently didn't offend him/her the way my attempt to clear up the mystery of my kickban did. And secondly, I don't think you do justice to the insinuations made during the G-word discussion. I would never say that "It pertained to Giano but did not actually involve any discussion of him, save the correct assertion that he is not an administrator.". I would like to, but must not, quote the remarks I mean. I t's a little frustrating. I ask you to read again. Maybe your characterisation of it as all " correct assertion" was the teeth speaking? (Try some codeine?) Bishonen | talk 21:34, 23 January 2007 (UTC).
Is there a chance to add "Irpen" and "Ghirlandajo" to the list of users that IRC admins are not allowed to discuss? If you need to know why, please review the logs you received at the ArbCom list. I hope you will find the reason convincing. Thank you, -- Irpen 04:47, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
It is understood, as I've indicated above, that "Giano" means Giano and associated editors and disputes. I regret having to use his name specifically but I think most would agree that he has been the focal point of this dispute. I'm always open to alternatives. Mackensen (talk) 16:27, 24 January 2007 (UTC)">Discussion< of Giano is >banned<. Please do not release logs, but be aware that public leaks occur. Use discretion in discussing behavior of others. | WP:AE, CAT:NS, CAT:NL, CAT:ABL, and CAT:ORFU are under-watched. WP:AFD/OLD is severely BACKLOGGED, please help | Vandalfighter: http://hekla.rave.org/vf/35/vf-beren.jar"
Could you do me a favor? Since you have a checkuser privilege, you have access to the checkuser log. Could you look there and tell me whether Giano, Ghirla or myself where ever checkusered and by who? Since none of us ever used any socks or were ever accused in that, the presence of our names in the checkuser log would hopefully shed some illuminating light. I would be also very interested to know this for personal reasons. Thanks, -- Irpen 20:15, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Please point me out to a policy clause that prevents me from knowing who ran a checkuser on me and on what pretense. -- Irpen 20:22, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
OK, here is the link to my email. Please tell me privately who and when checkusered me but I don't see why you can't tell it to me here. But thanks anyway. -- Irpen 20:28, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Let me clarify that I've done this, this one time, to clear up a matter of some controversy. I will not make a habit of it and users shouldn't think they can email checkusers asking if they've been checked. The log is private for a reason. I regret that I ever had to in the first place but it would be my hope that, having answered the question, we can move on. Mackensen (talk) 20:40, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
That's interesting. Can we all know why was Giano checkusered if this was truly the case? -- Irpen 21:40, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
In what was Giano a risk for the project? IMO, the violation of the official WM privacy policy by those who are entrusted with the checkuser access to uphold it is indeed a very great risk to the project. Am I wrong? -- Irpen 21:47, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
What does the sockpuppetry threat have to do with checkusering Giano? If DG indeed checkusered him, I consider it a very serious matter and I would like to see it acted upon with DG being strongly cautioned if he is to retain the CU privilege. I do not know if this was the case. I am talking based on Giano's assertion that DG checkusered him. -- Irpen 22:14, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
So, the question is, would the reasonable person knowing what we know about Giano could assume that Giano was contemplating a creation of the network of socks with the aim of the overall disruption of Wikipedia. That's the question, Thatcher is raising.
All right. My answer to this question would be "no way". Similarly to how I am sure that this is not what Tony would ever do either.
So, the question why Giano was checkusered is a serious one, in my opinion, and not to be dismissed lightly. -- Irpen 22:34, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
We all have gone off the rails once in a while. The narrow question here is whether any of us would have resorted to creation of a sock-net aimed at attacking Wikipedia. No reasonable person can possibly assume that Giano might do it whatever mad he is about his block orchestrated at IRC. There is no way on earth I can see his being checkusered justified. -- Irpen 22:39, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Using sockpuppets is not illegal per se. It is using them to disrupt WP is what I am talking about. Could Giano have done it in your informed opinion of someone who've seen just about everything? -- Irpen 14:54, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Since Giano knows of being Checkusered, obviously this was not done in secret and DG shared his action with people. So, there was obviously a breach of supposed secrecy, wasn't it? More importantly would be to know whether the IP info revealed by the checkuser was shared as well. -- Irpen 15:02, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, you are obviously mistaken since DG did share the info at least of the fact of the checkuser was run from what we see. More importantly, though, is that he had no justification for it whatsoever. Users like Giano and myself who built their reputation of commitment to the project by years of the content creation should not be worried that someone would checkuser them on the ridiculous pretense, like unexplainable suspicion of malaise or that "the account has been compromised" ridiculous excuse. While at it, I would like to make it clear to you and anyone with the checkuser access who might read this that I strongly object to the chekcuser being run on me on the matter of principle and WM privacy policy even though I am not hiding and my identity and location is not a secret and is already known to many. -- Irpen 15:13, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
A good question we better ask DG as well as to what was the justification and who he shared the info with and what info was shared. -- Irpen 15:16, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Merely Giano's knowing about it. -- Irpen 15:20, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
I strongly doubt that anyone with checkuser would have released that info to Giano. There is no way for sure to know what happened, of course. I think ideally the mess with the checkuser issues and lack of clarity about checkuser policy should be settled by arbcom. Starting an ArbCom case would be costly because it may likely keep arbcom tied forever, especially with the evidence of Kelly's abuse being added to the mess and some of the checkusers who have very little community trust sitting on the arbcom itself. I need to think about this myself... -- Irpen 16:42, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
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[10] No hurry. Thanks so very much! -- BenBurch 21:39, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
You performed what looks to be a checkuser block on this, in May 2006 ("rms125 sock"); the block was indefinite, but User:El chulito requested unblocking, and seemed to be a good contributor, otherwise. I've unblocked the IP ( log). If there's anything I should do (such as place an AO block), feel free to let me know, whenever/if you have a chance. Thanks! Luna Santin 22:52, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
User talk:71.57.32.46 has requested unblock twice now. I said I'd contact you - though the block expires in only a few days anyway. Appears innocent, though I could be wrong. Cheers. Patstuart talk| edits 07:57, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Re the sockpuppetry - I've sent you a mail. -- Mcginnly | Natter 15:24, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
I was about to say the same, but you beat me to it [11]. >Radiant< 16:55, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
You know, I never go to IRC, because I am busy with other things but I made an exception yesterday. I logged in to #wikipedia and requested Interiot to grant me access to the Admin channel. I figured that since non-admins are allowed, this would not be a ground-breaking precedent setting event and I figure I can also offer some valuable insights to the channel's usual crowd by my unbiased opinions. Besides, there was never any incidents with my involvement into the breach of anyone's trust, so there is no doubts that I no of about my integrity. Finally, I believe that generally, the community holds me in the higher regard than some of the well-known channel's regulars.
Interiot told me that he is not qualified to make such decisions and advised me to talk to you about this. Could you grant me the access? Thanks, -- Irpen 17:37, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
I specifically request the Admin channel, not the functionaries one. Does your answer mean "No" or you would like to send me further to yet another chanop, just like Interiot did? -- Irpen 17:43, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi! I noticed that you changed the template being used at Union Station (Denver) from the custom {{start RTD rail box}} to {{s-start}}{{s-rail}}{s-line}}(...). I think it's great that you are standardizing these succession boxes. And I looked at what it would take to remove the RTD-specific boxes. Recently, another editor added images on the I-25/Broadway (RTD) page, and the old RTD-specific box formatted the box so that it appears vertically below the images. That is to say: the box wouldn't align to the side of images anymore. I fixed this in the RTD-specific start box template, and then realized that style="clear:both;" was the reason that happened. Then I looked at Template talk:s-start and saw that you're actually in favor of clear:both. However, you don't list any examples of templates that were broken by removing this (or making it an option at least). Nor can I see any compelling reason to force every user of {{s-start}} to use clear:both when they could also use {{clear}} as David suggested. So, color me confused... unless you know of a better way to format the abovementioned page? Thanks! -- BetaCentauri 11:58, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
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I reverted this as trains towards Westferry go to Bank or Tower Gateway and to Poplar for Stratford. It showed the other way round before ir reverted. Simply south 15:09, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
I am startng on this new line so that the writing does not become squaushed. Everything is fine at C&L except the shuttles terminate there not Amersham. I suppose i should clarify more. Simply south 17:04, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
I was trying to create a link to the Boston Archdiocesan Choir School Wikipedia page (which I assumed existed based on its continued presence on e.g. answers.com) but discovered it had been deleted (in Dec, by you). I was wondering what the rationale for deletion was. (I'm not certain that it shouldn't have been deleted, although I didn't see anything obviously wrong with the answers.com version.) 137.71.23.54 21:20, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know, Mackensen. :) I'll keep an eye on it, give it some time to expand, and re-assess status later. -- El on ka 18:06, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I want to e-mail the ArbCom about a banned editor whose one-year ban was meant to expire today (yesterday, actually, since it's now after midnight). It was extended because he continued to post on his talk page, and I think that was unjust, as I had told him he could, so, even if I'm wrong, he shouldn't be penalized for that. (Admittedly, what he posted was more of the kind of stuff that got him banned in the first place, but I really don't think he's malicious the way some other banned editors were — at least in my opinion!) I have Jayjg's e-mail address, and FloNight's but I've just looked at their contribs, and they don't seem to be online. You do seem to be. Can I send it to you through the e-mail link, and would you forward it to the rest of the committee for me, please? I'll have it ready to send one minute after getting your reply! Thanks. Musical L inguist 00:15, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Just letting you know, User:Jpgordon has deferred this case to you. Luna Santin 23:34, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I just redirected the Ostbahnhof station to München Ost railway station before you got there putting up the boxes. Good work on those. Agathoclea 00:06, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
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Do you think it would be worth to use "Stammstrecke" instead of the individal linenumbers on the stations between Ostbahnhof and Pasing for the succesionboxes? Agathoclea 20:11, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi, there is no reason that there should be no article on Veoh. It is all over the news. Please unprotect. Thanks. frummer 20:22, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I saw that you reverted a paragraph in the article Copper(II) sulfate regarding use in school demonstrations. The paragraph seems legit to me, and I can confirm that the demonstration described is common in beginner's chemistry classes. You didn't specify any reason for reverting, so I thought I should just check with you what your rationale was, before I put it back, in case I might have misunderstood something. 129.240.250.4 13:35, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Should we start blocking these trollish IPs on sight, or...? -- 210 physicq ( c) 02:48, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi. You blocked the range 129.7.35.0/24 earlier today with the message {{ checkuserblock}}. One IP in that range - 129.7.35.202 ( talk · contribs) - has asked to be unblocked. Can you review the request and respond as appropriate? When I encounter an IP requesting to be unblocked after a checkuser block, should I always simply decline the request? -- BigDT 20:41, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
I see you speedied these pages as copyvios. However, there is some question about this and several other articles with the same contributor. If Argonaut was not the original contributor there is page history that is not a copyvio that is worth saving. Even if Argonaut is the original contributor there is a question as to if it's a copyvio as the originating website has a license which may be semi-compatable with Wikipedia's. At any rate, a group of us are willing to re-write these. Would you please restore it? ~ ONUnicorn ( Talk) 15:02, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Would you confirm the suspicions I have of Wrongporch ( talk + · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser( log) · investigate · cuwiki) in this mess?— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍) 20:00, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
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Aldershot (GO station) & Fallowfield railway stationare quite irrelevant, but I can't find where they are embedded in the table (box) so I can't remove them. Peter Horn 20:55, 5 February 2007 (UTC) Peter Horn 20:57, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello User:Mackensen, can you help us??? Peter Horn 03:12, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, what exactly is the problem? Have the termini changed? Mackensen (talk) 03:16, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Copy and paste... Peter Horn 01:27, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Before you redo all the infoboxes for PATH stations, I think they should somehow denote the regular service and the late night service as the previous infoboxes did. Also, not sure I like having the next/previous stations linked at the bottom of the article. My preference is to keep them in the infobox, so one doesn't have to scroll all the way to the bottom of the page (for longer articles). I'm not sure a uniform infobox design for all metro systems is appropriate, because they don't account for unique aspects of particular systems (like late night/weekend service vs. regular service). But, if you go ahead with the change anyway, I'm not going to stand in your way much. However, if you try to make the same changes to Washington Metro station articles, I know the regular editors there will likely oppose it because the infoboxes there incorporate things specific to that system. I don't think the standard infoboxes would go over well either for New York City Subway stations. -- Aude ( talk) 19:37, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
(indent) I've got a working example now at User:Mackensen/Pathtest. This allows the code formerly at the bottom to simply be included within the infobox. Thoughts (I cribbed from the Metro template, which has similar functionality)? Mackensen (talk) 20:54, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
You're not planning to touch the New York City subway? That's it, I'm unwatching this page; I just read it for the subway coverage. Newyorkbrad 21:01, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I can't believe I'm arguing about Fuzzy Zoeller evidence with a Tigers fan. I love the Tigers!
That being said, I don't think you understand my point about the Zoeller case. They are going after someone who RESTORED edits in December that were initially CREATED in August. Where can we see the evidence of the identity of the August editor? How can you not think this is important? -- 72.94.164.52 05:06, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Hey, Mack, long time no... talk page dif. FWIW, pulling that comment off the talk page was the right call. Cheers, JDoorjam JDiscourse 07:13, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I actually think I just figured it out. At first I thought the S-line/left/x-line was for masking names.. but now I see that its just for termini. So, I got rid of the redirect on the right one (I was basing it off of London's LUL) and just put a single variable into the #switch. Is that how it works? -- drumguy8800 C T 18:40, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Is it concratulations or commiserations that are in order? Pity for the time taken away from the good work you are doing now, but I have every confidence in your ability/insight at ArbCom. Agathoclea 23:25, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm creating some new infoboxes for stations along the Merseyrail line: advice is appreciated! -- sunstar net talk 14:15, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Btw, Merseyrail is actually part of our national rail network. It is not a seperate metro. Simply south 23:11, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi. Just wondering why the Merseyrail stations template that you've cleared from
Sandhills railway station is 'superfluous' per your edit comment. Please can you advise? Many thanks 13:57, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I know that on Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Danny Daniel, you said that the evidence was inconclusive, but you may want to look at the page Jibbert Michart Macoy. It was created by Jibbity, but it's similar to the misinformation added by Danny Daniel's confirmed sockpuppets ( [13], [14], [15]). Squirepants101 16:49, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Is this completed yet, or is it still to be kept active per you for further input? Cheers, Daniel.Bryant 01:43, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Do you have a list of Geni's prior indiscretions? I searched around and couldn't find anything and I have only some fairly vague memories. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 23:55, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Here's the protection war over Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2006/Candidate statements/Questions for Paul August:
Here's Geni revert-warring with Anthere over the site notice, in January of 2006:
And another revert-war over the site notice, this time in July/August of 2006:
Finally, there's the time he undid protect on an OFFICE-protected article without consulting Danny, back in March of 2006. This occasioned his second temporary de-sysoping (c.f. [21]). This may seem like old business but I dislike the pattern, and I don't view arbcom's failure to address the matter previously as an adequate justification for letting it slide this time. Mackensen (talk) 00:15, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
On a slightly related note, is it possible to encourage members to indicate their first and second choice when there are multiple variations of a proposed remedy? It gets hard to follow which variation is the most preferred. NoSeptember 13:34, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Seeing as I have somehow elected to cover almost the entire Finnish railway network on the English Wikipedia, do you think I should join the WikiProject Trains? JIP | Talk 19:48, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
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I've partially reverted your edit to Milton Keynes Central railway station. Who wants to see a screenful of white space before the article starts? Who would even know to scroll down to find any content. I assume good faith but I don't understand why you thought that this would work? -- Concrete Cowboy 13:18, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
"It is my understanding that Jimbo is presently traveling in India and may not have ready means of communication at his disposal." -- buried deep within the Essjay RFC.
You might want to move that right up top, as a comment under Jimbo's view, where most people will actually see it. Derex 02:16, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Why have you apparently taken it upon yourself to convert EVERY UK railway station page? Did I miss a memo? Or are you the self-appointed template converter? I fail to see why the template as seen below is apparently so offensive to you that you feel you need to change every single edition of it.
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I look forward to an explanation. Hammersfan 04/03/07, 23.20 GMT
Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Danny Daniel. Cheers, Daniel Bryant 10:59, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Tobias Conradi has added you to his list because of a revert you made. Fame and fortune will soon come your way. - CHAIRBOY ( ☎) 14:27, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi ,i just deleting these artilces [ [22]] and every time deleting those are again poping up.see my contribution you will understand.Please Help me what to do. Khalidkhoso 03:32, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Has there been any discussion on the AC mailing list about appointing Cowman109 and Newyorkbrad as clerks (my request of last week?) Thatcher131 01:30, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
When the new arbitrators took office at the beginning of the year, the decision was made that they would be considered as recused/non-participating in cases that had been accepted before they came in, but could elect to participate in any such case either by noting that they would be participating or by voting. At that point the Clerks adjusted the list of active arbitrators for that case and the majority accordingly. Would you like to proceed on the same basis for the cases that were pending as of this morning? This is significant because we have some cases nearing closing and have to make sure whom to include in calculating the majority. Thanks, Newyorkbrad 02:11, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi. There seem to be some problems with the software today. In this edit to the above, in adding your proposals your edit seems also to have removed some comments by Fred Bauder and others. I assume this was not intentional. Regards, Newyorkbrad 19:07, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
There seems to be a few parties that want to name more editors as parties to the article; I've proposed a motion-- please take a look at it and let me know what you think? - Penwhale | Blast the Penwhale 06:57, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi. You and Morven state on the RFAr/InShaneee evidence talkpage that "no evidence has been brought forward of a blocking pattern", but only of two separate incidents (the block of A Link to the Past, the block of Worldtraveller). I've given evidence of a pattern of blocking threats, which can IMO be as serious, and tend as much to subduing adversaries in content conflicts, as actual blocks. Please see the top of my evidence section. Right now I don't know if there would be any point in adding more examples of the same thing, since neither of you has replied to my question about it. I know there are more diffs out there, but it's very time-consuming to track down this kind of evidence, and if arbitrators aren't interested in it in any case, I guess I won't bother. Bishonen | talk 08:30, 14 March 2007 (UTC).
I would like to draw your and ARbcom members attention to a bulk of personal attacks and accusation with which user:Fadix flooded workshop page. He openly admits that he will continue his attacks. It is absolutely unacceptable. Workshop page is destroyed. It is very bizzare that almost no other Armenian users participate in the discussion despite there are several involved. I have feeling that they communicated with each other and this is a strategy: Fadix bombs and tarnishes all Azeri editors involved (me, Adil, Atabek and Grandmaster). We have to response to all these allegations. And here is clear picture - Fadix vs. 4 bad Azeri editors. We can not keep silence because he constantly accuses us in sock- and meat pupetting, harassing, saying that we are government representatives, and so on. Maybe he wants that someone from us will lose his temper and make personal attacks. That will equal the situation because now several Armenian editors are listed in workshop for personal attacks. How long it will be allowed to harrass us - he repeats over and over again that we are oficial reps, etc. I kindly and urgently request temporary injection - no more personal attacks and harrasment on workshop page. -- Dacy69 21:29, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
User:Kathryn NicDhàna has given another statement (I think it's semi-evidence, but it's placed on the main case page) at here. Please advise action. - Penwhale | Blast him / Follow his steps 03:42, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
The only issue to my knowledge that is still current and unresolved is the issue over Pallywood, where I made a mistake on trying to intervene in a content dispute (see my satement) Betacommand ( talk • contribs • Bot) 18:26, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
When you convert the old WMATA station templates to the new format, could you put the succession boxes inside the infobox? We've expressed a slight preference for that at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Washington Metro#New station infobox? and having it done that way up front would save the trouble of converting later. SchuminWeb ( Talk) 13:49, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
The two ips which were creating these accounts were blocked. Yet it is still going on. I have found two more today.
I am tired of being the Kate McAuliffe vandal and sockpuppet ( talk + · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser( log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Apologies to whoever got affected by a Kate McAuliffe vandal ( talk + · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser( log) · investigate · cuwiki). Just to inform you. Already been blocked. Retiono Virginian 15:12, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
You seem to be the one who has worked on the templates for the succession boxes in articles on rail stations, so I hope you can help me. I'm doing a Wikia on transit, and many of the articles are direct copies from Wikipedia (with some minor changes that are irrelevant to this discussion). When I copy the articles with succession boxes, I can make them work OK, though I had to figure out the added template names I needed to copy. However, when I try to use parallel logic to create succession boxes on systems that have not been treated that way on Wikipedia, sometimes they work and sometimes they don't. I can't figure out what I'm doing differently on wikia:metro:Old Mill (TTC) (which works just fine) and on wikia:metro:Milford Mill (Baltimore MTA station) (which fails to pick up the previous and next stations and the termini from the appropriate places).
I'd appreciate any help you can give me. You can reply to me at User talk:BRG or at wikia:metro:User talk:BRG. -- BRG 17:14, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Good morning ( GMT time); is there a quick way of being able to access the IRC CheckUser (clerk) channel, to monitor the bot feed? It would be extremely useful in clerking, as well as to ask for guidance during these early days of my clerking duties.
Kind regards,
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As you expressed your interest in the matter on Clawson's RfA, you may want to take a look at the discussion and my proposal. Regards, — KNcyu38 ( talk • contribs) 14:58, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
hello, can you please ban me? Wikiholic888 01:24, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
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An IP made this edit to the article talk. As you have the volume, is there anything to that or is it only rubbish? Does the book quote an historian Adolf Caspary or such? — KNcyu38 ( talk • contribs) 02:01, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
I have left a clarification why I feel arbitration is still necessary in regards to betacommand under my statement. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 18:32, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure where to put this, since Thatcher and NYBrad on User talk:Newyorkbrad discouraged me from lengthening my statement, or continuously replying to other comments. It's really as per "Response to ChrisO", and "Chrislk02's clarification why arbitration is still necessary", and "Comment by Chacor" sections. Yes, Bc does clean up after himself, then does it again. Note the 3 incidents that I detailed in my comment happened in 6 days. I don't really understand the fine details of bot policy, but reading that discussion, he seems to have a history of problems there. As Doc Glasgow writes, the Irpen block was back in December, so is spilled milk. However the other block issue in Bishonen's statement was less than 1 month ago. In response to it, Betacommand wrote:
“ | Like I said above I am stopping blocking users until there is an agreement on this issue, it might be a month, it might be six months, it might be a year. Also I think you misunderstood my last post I said that I was sorry for not being able to respond to further questions for several hours I had personal matters to attend to. I think this issue needs to be settled too. Betacommand (talk • contribs • Bot) 15:03, 28 February 2007 (UTC) | ” |
Didn't help.
I'm not looking to get Bc completely banned, he is a well intentioned user, but he's a bull in a china shop, every time he turns around there is a crash and something expensive gets broken. I don't even know what remedy exactly I want to come from this, but there needs to be something. Maybe full desysopping, maybe some kind of probation, even a formal reprimand? Otherwise it just keeps going and going. -- AnonEMouse (squeak) 18:47, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Wow, how amazing! Your first edit is the same as my birthday on the 23rd of August. Khairul hazim 13:14, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
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Do your duty! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Atomicthumbs ( talk • contribs) 16:10, 4 April 2007 (UTC).
Just to let you know, I've emailed you (sorry, I've been having problems with people recieving them), let me know if you don't get it Ryanpostlethwaite contribs/ talk 01:00, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
IRC user Mask if you could. Thank you. - M ask? 16:41, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm trying to better organise the Berlin S-Bahn and U-Bahn pages and I've come across your station template, but I'm not quite sure what it's supposed to accomplish other than creating a type of pipe link without manually doing so. I'd like to know what the purpose is so I can use it. Keatinga 18:38, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi Mackensen, you blocked the above IP in september 2006 indefinately for being used by a banned user. Well...... it got unblocked on March 1 and since then it's had 3 seperate blocks, I've just blocked for a month. Would you support indefinately blocking again? I'm hesitent to jump in by myself as you've obviously got the check user results somewhere. Cheers Ryanpostlethwaite contribs/ talk 13:13, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi Mackensen, I need your help. REDVERS, one of the Administrators that is working with the Fellowship of Friends page, left me the following message:
I wrote to REDVERS but he didn't reply to me. Do you know how can I find out who the sock pupeteers are based on this and this? Thanks a lot! Mario Fantoni 18:17, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Greetings,
What do you mean by "inconclusive"? Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Otheus Why isn't it possible to conclusively say I am not using one of the IP addresses given, all of which are based in Australia/NZ? -- Otheus 11:28, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Totally unrelated to your RfB, except that I found him in your edit list: August von Mackensen. Are you related to the Marshal, an admirer of his, or is the username an odd coincidence? Just curious. :) Best wishes, Xoloz 00:02, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
I feel disclosing private e-mails in public is dishonest, as there is a general understanding of confidentiality. Everyking 02:43, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Two questions posted there for you: one, in the question section; the other, as part of the continuing discussion under Bishonen's comment. Best wishes, Xoloz 05:00, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Was I imagining it, or did your userpage say you were an oversighter yesterday but not today? There's no record of removal of text in the history. -- TeckWiz Parlate Contribs @(Lets go Yankees!) 16:57, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi,
I noticed this remark of yours in amongst the threads of the RfB talk page, and I feel the need to examine it with you. I hope I'm not taking it to far out of context, but I find it very alarming: "My principal concern here is that making people feel their opinion is valued may not be of any tangible benefit to the encyclopedia."
This logic reminds me of Kelly Martin and the advocates of the great Userbox Purge. I thought everyone had learned their lessons from that, but perhaps you didn't. The encyclopedia is paramount, but it is written by people, all of us co-equal, across countries, continents, and cultures. If people do not feel that their input is crucial to the management of our volunteer project, they will leave. To argue with Edmund Burke from your userpage (I ignore Russell Kirk's existence in polite company, to keep the expletives from flying), it is not enough that everyone's interest is represented by proxy -- they must feel themselves empowered. A government can afford to ignore, for a time, a disillusioned, apathetic people; an all-volunteer project absolutely cannot. Wikipedia needs a dose of John Dewey far more than Edmund Burke. To be blunt, the tangible benefit to the encyclopedia that you've missed above is this: people must feel happy writing it! Ignore the community, and the paramount object of encyclopedic work withers and dies. I'm sure your sentiment was more intelligent than it appeared to me from your remark, and I trust that you will be more sophiscated in addressing this issue in the future. If you ever have any doubt why the community's sense of involvement in the project is of tangible benefit to the encyclopedia, you need look know further than the disastrous events of January, 2006: all the time and resources wasted when a small segment of administrators forgot that they needed to carry the community's goodwill with them in any action. Alienate too many, and the encyclopedia suffers. Best wishes, Xoloz 19:23, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
I've asked a question on your RfB and I would be interested to see your response. Regards and Happy Easter! (aeropagitica) 21:03, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Your comments show a bit of ignorance about what's been going on at RFA (which is understandable since you admit you aren't a regular). So I'd like to give you a bit of background.
In the last year only 5 RFAs have closed in a way inconsistent with a straight 75% threshold vote:
The other 99% of RFAs were closed in a manner that looked just like a vote. The low promotions were all highly controversial. The high fails were hardly even noticed since they fell in the "traditional" 75-80% discretionary range, though it is worth noting that this discretionary range is almost never used to fail candidates any more. Dragons flight 22:17, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Frankly, given your platform in the round, I don't see why we would need to bother with any sort of process at all. Surely all an ordinary editor like me would have to do would be to approach the noble on bended knee and ask to be elevated to the adminhood? Given that you say that you will simply ignore opposition you do not concur with (and have been read as saying that, before you complain, see TonySidaway's comment), why would you even need to see the opposition? Grace Note 07:46, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
I think you may not have appreciated it fully, but there is a significant way in which this is radical. From the beginning of RFA is was not the job of Bureaucrats to judge whether a candidate had the qualities of a good admin. In fact, 'crats were not intended to be judging the candidate at all. The job of the 'crat was to judge the community's will (as experessed at RFA) and determine consensus. To use an extreme and silly example, if most of the community decided that "candidate's name starts with the letter M" was a reason to oppose, then the Bureaucrat was expected to implement that consensus and fail the nom. The Bureaucrat might think that the community's reasons were silly, but that wasn't part of the process. The Bureaucrat was only supposed to decide whether the community had reached a consensus or not. Within that framework, it might even be considered better than a 'crat form no opinion on the candidate's qualifications at all.
Compare that to your statements that you are looking for a particular set of qualities, and I think you can appreciate that there is a significant difference. As historically defined, Bureaucrats were not in the business of deciding what is or is not a relevant objection, and yet that is exactly the sort of thing you have declared you intend to do if promoted. If I understand your intentions correctly, you would shift from a process where 'crats judge the will of the community expressed at RFA to one where 'crats judge the qualifications of the candidates based on the information provided at RFA. While the distinction might seem subtle, I would qualify that as a radical change. Dragons flight 23:46, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your question. No, not that was not my intent. As an uninvolved third party, it looks like you did something wrong in that situation, but you have apologized for it and I mean do not mean to be citing that as a reason for opposition. I will clairfy my comment on the RfB. Thanks very much,
Johntex\
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Regarding your comment here: You may be interested in (and I'd appreciate any input/comment on) my proposal for RfA reform. — KNcyu38 ( talk • contribs) 13:06, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
It is obvious your RfB is going to fail now. On a strict vote counting basis, you're 74 votes in the hole now, assuming 85% threshold and 178 for 90%. It was changed from 90% to 85% in some references without discussion, so it's uncertain what threshold the current bureaucrats will use. Discussion long, long ago set it at 90%. Your RfA was percolating along at ~20 votes in the hole all day Sunday, but as soon as Monday rolled around, it started heading south in a hurry. With three days gone in the RfB, it's unlikely it will reverse course and climb that long ladder back into the positive.
The failure of your RfB and our past disagreements aside, the failure of RfA is something we both agree on. We are far from being alone. As I've spoken to many times in the last few weeks, the regulars at RfA are incapable of reforming it. Any proposal put forth has been shot down. There is simply too large of a group to gain consensus on the best way forward to fix RfA.
I had a discussion with Cool Cat about this a few days ago. I helped him put together the page at User:Cool Cat/Adminship survey summary by providing some references to charts and data. In our discussion, I noted that the page he created was just a beginning. The analogy I used was that this page got us to roughly Baltic Avenue, when our goal was to get to Boardwalk. Considerably more work would need to be done. I did not know that he intended to bring an RFAR on the subject and would have advised against doing so until considerably more work had been done, in the least.
I have long felt that since the regulars at RfA are incapable of reform that there were two parties capable of accomplishing the overthrow (for lack of a better term) of RfA; ArbCom and Jimbo. Seeing the resounding rejection of the RfAr and the rationale for rejection, it appears ArbCom is entirely unwilling to take such action. That leaves Jimbo.
I believe the time has come to put together a very well reasoned and supported proposal to overthrow RfA and replace it with another system. In sum and speaking in abstract,
Some months ago, starting in January of this year, I sketched out a plan of action to achieve RfA reform. Among the steps in the strategy was:
In early March I was involved in a discussion with David Gerard regarding the nature of RfA. In that discussion, he indicated he would likely be approaching Jimbo to ask for RfA to be overthrown. I had hoped, perhaps naively, that this would result in Jimbo at least looking at RfA with an eye towards possibly overthrowing it. I do not know if David ever approached Jimbo, or if Jimbo did take a look. But, given how much was wrong, I expected RfA as we know it to be gone by now [26].
I did not expect to get drawn into a discussion regarding the status and nature of clerks. This disagreement consumed a great amount of time and energy. It dovetailed very nicely into my strategy for RfA, in that the strategy for my efforts at RfA strongly supported my efforts at removing the exclusionary nature of clerks. I was very heartened that my efforts in this realm succeeded, despite a number of objections (not gloating here, just noting).
However, I found myself having a distinct lack of energy subsequent to my clerk dispute efforts. I stumbled, and fell back into a pattern of doing trivial things (like, fair use image removal from non-mainspace). As time went on, and David/Jimbo did nothing at RfA, I became disillusioned about any hope that RfA could be reformed, and thought to myself that it would take people with more brains and time than myself to achieve RfA reform.
Then, I came across a video having to do with Red Hat Linux. Viewed from the perspective of RfA needing reform, and that reform being equivalent to Red Hat Linux, the video gave me new found impetus, enough to write m:User:Durin/fodder. Still, a week later I found myself lacking energy. I went into a self-enforced period of inactivity in an attempt to refocus myself, not editing for the better part of a week until your RfB came up.
Now it seems everyone is talking about RfA reform again. Yet, once again that reform will be impossible to achieve without Jimbo stepping in. But, in order for him to step in we must present something he can get his arms around in a ready fashion. There needs to be highly detailed work to support the overall proposition so that the peanut galleries can at least follow along, and if Jimbo needs to be convinced the material is there to support it. From that, a strong executive summary needs to be written. It needs to summarize why RfA is broken and the problems it currently has, be very clear about the goals RfA is supposed to achieve, and propose a system that will achieve the goals, avoid the extant problems (many of which are social in nature) while being scalable to a Wikipedia of some years from now.
Despite your RfB failing, I hope that you will be willing to engage in assisting in such an effort as detailed above. Frankly, I lack the time and energy to do it largely by myself. It's going to take several very focused individuals to achieve it. I don't have a suggestion on an inception point. Userspace somewhere, with some notions of focus skimmed from the above and/or elsewhere.
Sorry for the long ramblings. I guess in short I'm asking if you're willing to help with this? -- Durin 14:23, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Arthur Ellis. Thatcher131 14:56, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Mackensen, I don't expect a reply, but since it appears you have glossed over this at the talk page of Danny's RFA, I'm cross-posting this here:
I didn't know who you were prior to your RfB and, further, didn't know you were a CheckUser. I apologise if my tone was inappropriate. -- Iamunknown 02:49, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
I wonder whether the 'crats would have taken so much time to sift through the arguments at Danny's RFA without the discussion your RFB engendered on the need for them to use their discretion more widely. So, if it fails, as I'm afraid that it will, something good has come from this. Good for you. -- Spartaz Humbug! 07:46, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi Mackensen, since this is a long comment (you seem to have received many of these already, but here's another) I decided to post here instead of on your RFB. Since you are an admin who I greatly respect I think it will only be fair to you if I can elaborate a bit on my views on RFA, and why they conflict too much with your RFA views.
Generally, I am in favor of having a bureaucrat discretion range. I don't support a super-fixed threshold: Over XX% always pass, below it always fail. It is true that on RFA, some arguments are strong, some arguments are weak but good faith and reasoned nonetheless, and some arguments are just meta-reasoning utterly unrelated to the candidate (e.g., at the risk of violating WP:BEANS: "Oppose. Wikipedia is a waste of time, why bother?", is a protest on some slight and not something the candidate could possibly be expected to remedy in any reasonable way.)
However, I do think that the position of bureaucrat should be a position more akin to election coordinator and counter, than one of a trial judge. There are serious advantages with having the community having the final say, and leaving large percentage ranges where there is no bureaucrat discretion. First, what makes a good and bad admin is generally a subjective view. Very subjective. It is hard to find truly objective criteria here. Even harder than to find truly objective criteria of what "notability" is supposed to mean on AFD. It boils down to the discretion of the community. As such, in the majority of cases, I cannot see a really good case for saying that the bureaucrat's discretion is sounder than the discretion of the particpants on the RFA.
For some case studies I'll mention:
I think that if the bureaucrat is to start tossing aside "oppose" votes in the closing, then that should only be due to either sockpuppetry, or reasons so utterly unrelated to the candidate that any reasonable person will realize that the dismissal is a fair decision.
I don't agree with the "RFA is broken and must be fixed" mantra. I'll admit that I'm unsure what "broken" means here, does it mean that good candidates are not getting promoted? Does it mean that the tone on RFA can get too nasty? Does it mean that RFA tends to promote rogue admins? (If it means any of the above, then my views are incidentally "Sometimes, but usually still reasonable and remediable sometime in the future, using the same RFA process, a new nomination a few months later is frequently successful", "Yes, but that is a trouble with the participants, not the process itself" and "Generally no, the admins who have wound up forcibly desysopped were rarely such that we could tell a priori that the adminship would end that way.") So I feel that what is not broken does not need that much fixing. The times RFA have really generated storms have been when bureaucrats have used their discretion outside the normal discretion range (Sean Black's re-RFA, Carnildo's re-RFA, Ryulong's 3rd RFA, and now Danny's re-RFA). In all these cases, arguments were presented directly related to the candidate's previous use of admin tools, or concerns which directly relate to the use of admin tools. Even so, bureaucrats used their "discretion" to override these significant and real concerns, and I feel that is disrespectful. I feel that any overriding of significant concerns in the oppose section should be done only by the community... in the form of support. I opposed Khaoswork's adminship a long time ago based on experience concerns, but was overridden by the community. That the candidate became a good admin shows that the community made a good choice (and I didn't in that particular instance). It just seems to me that giving bureaucrats more discretion is the wrong way to go here, because, as I write above, why is the 'crat's discretion inherently better?
There are of course times where I see RFA's fail when I supported, and still think the person would do well with the admin tools. Kappa failed his RFA, and I feel that was a great pity. I think Everyking was a major boon to RC patrol when he was an admin. I consider it a pity that he failed his re-RFA application. But I won't didmiss the entire RFA system as broken because it produces a few results I disagree with. As a method for gauging community consensus I would in fact give RFA pretty high marks, the results which I didn't like are caused by the community consensus going against me or not existing. And no process can be expected to remedy that problem.
Anyway, hope you're well, and hope the ArbCom duties haven't made you're eyes square from staring at the computer screen yet. :-) Sjakkalle (Check!) 09:30, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
I very much want to know any specific finding about the 203... IP address. That IP made personal threats against me and I've been waiting two weeks for a response on that despite messages to Luna Santin, Dmcdevit, and an e-mail to Cary Bass. It is absolutely intolerable for this serious matter to slip through the cracks with this many people for so long. Durova Charge! 15:26, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
-- howcheng { chat} 16:00, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
I've responded to you, just above Edivorce's oppose comment -- wasn't sure if you'd notice it in all the word-mess (a reason to think, maybe, that contentious RfX's are a little too big for a free-ranging discussion? Maybe that's why we have folks use bold-face, and numerize their comments... for ease of comprehension. Perhaps the current system has a reasonable basis after all! :) Xoloz 16:15, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
That was a bit mean. Please don't block me again. -- 24.235.229.208 20:54, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Just wanted you to know that despite my !vote to oppose, I do generally think that you do good work for the project. Nothin' personal, and I wish you luck on finding ways to improve RFA. - Hit bull, win steak (Moo!) 23:06, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
I noticed you changed your vote on the motion to close. Do you wish for me to wait for your proposal to pass before closing it? (It needs 2 more support vote to pass.) - Penwhale | Blast him / Follow his steps 10:39, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
I saw that in your edit summary, so no worries. I've been following the thread, but thanks anyways for the note. Much appreciated. :) Titoxd( ?!? - cool stuff) 20:14, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi. If you have a second, could you take a look at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Burntsauce_blocked.2C_talkpage_blanked_and_protected? I'm concerned that a mistake has been made. Jkelly 22:14, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Hey, I noticed that in January, there was a block you made based on CheckUser:
Would it be appropriate to ask what kind of disruption? There's an IP currently making questionable edits. – Chacor 11:41, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
I still can't get over the fact that the community will not give an Arbitrator Emeritus, Oversight, CheckUser, and admin Bureaucrat status. Those accomplishments (or promotions, whichever you want to call it) are amazing for a user to achieve. Clearly if someone can be trusted by the Foundation and ArbCom with sensitive IP information per the CheckUser tool, then he or she could be trusted with the simple task of promoting users and granting bot status. Still kinda peeved, ~ Step trip 03:20, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
I have responded to your question ( [29])/ -- Dweller 20:24, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
How do you fix the link to the TOC correctly in the resultant infobox, or rephrased which template is controlling that?
two examples I've encountered are;
historically (lets not go there for now) Gatwick Airport railway station vs [30] - specifically that all the TOCs wl's work except Southeastern (points to Southeastern not Southeastern (train operating company), while Southern does point to Southern (train operating company).
currently I'm working on New Zealand and with Britomart Transport Centre vs [31], i can't get the "MAXX (Veolia)" to wl like it used to (the MAXX piping to ARTA and the Veolia to Veolia (New Zealand)
Hope thats clear, and thanks in advance Pickle 19:00, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Check the recent history of the Ngo Dinh Diem article.-- VnTruth 01:13, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Can I, please, ask the reason for declining Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/NAHID? I am not challenging anything. You could say, I just wanted to know the process better? Is that alright to ask? If yes, please, respond to my talk page. Aditya Kabir 16:52, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Delete I was wondering about... can you oversight the bad revisions? Do you have that power? You can answer here, I'll keep an eye out. Thanks. -- Ali'i 21:42, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Inserted again... [32]. -- Ali'i 21:52, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm curious, if it turns out that the posted name was in fact the correct name, will you say anything?
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For effective use of oversight and page protection to keep Wikipedia out of trouble- and thereby protecting an apparently innocent person's reputation. WjB scribe 13:40, 17 April 2007 (UTC) |
Well a name has now been released in relation to the shootings [33] and its not the person whose details were in the deleted revisions that required oversight. Well done for being on the ball! WjB scribe 13:40, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Would you mind closing this so I can refile it as per checkuser request. Interference from other users made the case complicated and hard to follow. I will summarize what I originally had as well. -- Cat chi? 23:47, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Mackensen, thank you for helping identify the sockpuppeteer on the Fellowship of Friends page. Mario Fantoni 17:00, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Mack. A user has asked on the evidence talk page about the scope of the Ideogram-Certified.Gangsta RFAR case and has been answered, I don't think very appropriately, by Ideogram himself.. also by Wizardman, another user who has submitted evidence exclusively against CG. I have repeated and specified the question myself now, because I think it's rather difficult to supply evidence without some delimitation of what the case is for. I've explained fully on the page. Could you take a look, please, and respond? I know how busy you are, but this is the kind of thing that could save time in the long run, I think. Regards, Bishonen | talk 20:52, 17 April 2007 (UTC).
As soon as you've got a minute, is there any chance you could attend to this check IP request? It's getting quite serious (read Newyorkbrads comments for a thread on the issue). Cheers Ryan Postlethwaite 23:45, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Just to tell you I marked the case as completed. I had the shadow of a doubt since you didn't use a template. -- lucasbfr talk 12:26, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Hello. Sorry to bother you, but can you please tell me why this checkuser case was declined? Thanks. -- Behnam 00:46, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
I saw that you overturned Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/LactoseTI.
However, I am suspicious about the relation between LactoseTI and Komdori.
Komdori has not responded to any questions or comments on his userpage for many months. He has also not been active around articles that he has been participating in, for example Mount Baekdu. He has most recently only responded to my comments about a couple days ago.
However, there is a dispute that have arisen and he has immediately voted for the side he supports along with LactoseTI, while not participating in the discussion but knowing almost everything we have been talking about (although he may have been observing without making any comments). [34]
Also, several users have questioned the authenticity of his claim of being Korean descent. It is extremely rare in Korea, or in Korean communities elsewhere for a Korean to reject Korean positions on political issues. Komdori has always refuted pro Korean arguments, which has made several users (including me) curious about his beliefs.
Now this is only an assumption and I am not saying it is wrong for him to believe in what he wishes to. It is not like ALL Koreans are pro-Korean.
It is simply very unnatural and almost strange for a user who claims to be of Korean descent to not defend the Korean arguments. It seems as if the user was purposefully created this way.
Again, I am only assuming Komdori's ethnicity to be not true as he claims and I am not disagreeing with his beliefs.
I am also not here to weaken LactoseTI and Komdori's arguments (for I am opposing their arguments generally) on purpose by making a false accusation. The awkward relationship between these two users and how Komdori knows everything even when not participating in the discussion does not seem normal to me.
thank you for your time. Good friend100 02:30, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Ok then, sorry if you are offended, I'll respect your opinion a little more. Good friend100 20:55, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Would you mind looking into this case. There are far too many sockpuppets for comfort. Raul did a partial check already. -- Cat chi? 23:32, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry that your RFB failed, and please don't be discouraged, because you are a very good arbitrator and hopefully you can launch another RFB in future.
By the way, I saw your name mentioned in the User:Robdurbar affair, and I suspected his account was stolen. But you said it was him, what was the reason that you were so sure?
Happy Editing! - Wooyi Talk, Editor review 22:18, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi Mackensen! I don't believe we've 'met', but it appears that we share some similar views. I recently made a proposal of sorts on WT:RFA, which can currently be viewed here. This fine fellow pointed out that you made a very similar proposal a while back. Bit curious, but I guess it's true what they say about great minds thinking alike, hehe. The idea has seemed to generate some support, so hopefully we'll be able to implement this at some point. I invite you to participate in the discussion, and also, would you mind if I merged our two ideas, as you seem to have some of the logistics spelled out a bit better than I? Cheers mate gaillimh Conas tá tú? 12:36, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi. The arbitration committee didn't accept the case, so I'm going to try some other recommended avenues. But I haven't heard back about the sockpuppet stuff I brought up -- is that being checked or should I go through the more usual channels now? -BC aka Callmebc 12:28, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
I read your notice [35], and I agree that there is a revert war going on, which I don't like, so please help me clarify a few things by commenting on my contributions.
The Suppression_of_Falun_Gong page:
- I think that this contribution is essential: [36] because it's well sourced and very relevant to the page. Please review and let me know what you think.
Also the tags are necessary because the current version of Suppression_of_Falun_Gong [37] is hijacked by the POV of Special:Contributions/Samuel_Luo a Falun Gong critic who is proposed for being banned [38], also you may observe that the contributions of Special:Contributions/Pirate101 and Special:Contributions/Yueyuen are only imitating Samuel Luo's behavior.
A few questions:
My opinion regarding these questions, and please let me know if I'm wrong.
PS: Note that this is question is here for more then a month now: [43]
I would really like more input on this issue, which would be also very much appreciated. Thank You.
-- HappyInGeneral 14:33, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
I know you have already dealt with this case before and determined that it was a "likely" violation of Wikipedia policy via checkuser but that you also provisionally overturned that result. However, you also said the issue could be revisited. My question is, what types of behavior would qualify this case for another look? I'm not an expert of the vagaries of account abuse but have sucessfully uncovered several sockpuppets via other checkuser cases. These "two" editors behavior seem problematic. The evidence I have this time is: 1) User:Komdori's last edit was 27 Novemeber 2006 and did not start editing again until 16 April 2007. [45]. 2) User:LactoseTI's last edit was on 24 October 2006 and this user did not start editing on Wikipedia again until 9 April 2007. 3) Komdori had only 12 edits after LactoseTI's last edit in October of last year and both began suddenly editing again April of this year. 4) There is one single message left by LactoseTI on Komdori's talk page urging his/her participation in a debate on the Port Hamilton article. [46]. However, there are no other messages between the two editors but they happen to edit in a similar manner in both the Goguryeo and Turtle ship articles. The previous checkuser complaint also notes that neither editor left messages on eithers' talk page but yet remarkably the two editors were editing the same articles and sharing the work of cleaning up problematic image licenses.
I was not a party to your private communication overruling the checkuser result but I trust and defer to your judgment. However, it would make me, and I assume several other editors, more comfortable with this/these editor(s) if a reasonable explanation is adduced specifically addressing why both editors' edit gaps correlate so amazingly well (as shown in both the previous checkuser and recently), why both editors' substantial edits are on the same topics only, and why both editors' personal opinions are almost always the same. This is not the type of subject I want to spend my time but I did feel that if this is some kind of meat puppetry that something should be done to end this matter conclusively. I appreciate your help and time. Tortfeasor 06:45, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
I was ust wondering. Do you think you could change the s-rail template so that towards London it is "towards Baker Street and Aldgate" as the majority of trains terminate at Baker Street. However, there is stil about 2 tph going to Aldgate or something.
Separately, on the Amersham Branch, it should really only read "towards Amersham or Chesham" between Moor Park and Chalfont & Latimer. The other branch is the Watford Branch which is fine. Between Harrow-on-the-Hill and Moor Park it should read "towards Amersham, Chesham or Watford" on the main branch, obviously with "towards Uxbridge" on the other. Finally between Aldgate and Harrow-on-the-Hill it should read "towards Amersham, Chesham, Watford and Uxbridge". However, the layout of the termini etc should not change at Chalfont.
I hope i'm not confusing Simply south 08:40, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
I've just noticed that this is the conclusion you've come to, and I'm quite surprised. I doubt that there is anything that I can do about your decision, but I still feel the need to defend myself. It's true that I've engaged in edit warring, but rarely have I ever reverted without discussion (in fact using the talk pages to explain each of my edits is something I make a priority of), and rarely have I ever participated in a revert war that wasn't over edits that were quite clearly inappropriate. I believe that I've also been regarded by most other users as very reasonable, including by those that are on the opposing side, such as Firestar and Tomananda. It's rare that people rationally complain about my editing behavior. I also make a point of using the talk pages to discuss content without pushing my opinion about Falun Gong. And because of these things, I haven't felt any warning or threat that some action might be taken against me. I appologize for the fact that I haven't been following the arbitration case or participating in it. This is mostly because I was away from wikipedia for about two months, and only really came back after the pages were opened up to make some edits that I thought were rather straightforward. (I understand now that this was probably wrong and that I should have waited for the arbcom case to finish before making such content changes). Anyway, were I to know or have been warned that my editing behavior has been a problem I would change immediately; you don't need to put me on any kind of restricting parol to do that. I respect your position and understand that you've done your homework, but from my perspective this kind of decision without any warning seems like jumping the gun. Thanks for listening. Mcconn 16:54, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
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Note about this query in this section: This is more of a question seeking clarification from arbitrators / similar ranked persons on Wiki about Wiki rules rather than a complaint. I wanted to keep the query to the ArbCom decision talk page but if I can't get an answer there, please give me a reply either here on your talk page, or preferably, my talk page, thanks!
1. I notice that Samuel has been deemed incapable of promoting a viewpoint outside his activism and has an obvious conflict of interest in that sense, but don't Falun Gong practitioners also have a similar COI? Many of the pro-FGers did not even want to see a Criticism section. Now, they are only willing to see one that is heavily truncated and has been responded to by their Leader or Master. Isn't this an inconsistent application of the Conflict of Interest rule? (If not, pls explain)
2. Moreover, if users like Asdfg (pro-FG) are given a second chance and commended for turning over a new leaf and now appears to conform to Wiki rules, why shouldn't Tomananda be given that chance, and Samuel (who had 3, not 7 blocks btw, if overturned blocks are not to be counted)? I find it once again an inconsistent application of Wikipedia rules that anti-FGers must be banned yet pro-FGers have, at the very most, only been given a year's parole (except McConn). I also note with amusement that despite User:HappyInGeneral having declared a POV war previously on the FG discussion page, he can be found not to merit even a revert parole.
3. Arbitrator Fred Bauder also mentioned that the real flamers have not been sanctioned (e.g. User:Omido) so far so should this ArbCom decision be expanded to include these users? Or are arbitrators bound to only consider the users involved and mentioned in the ArbCom case?
4. I note from Fred Bauder that NPOV does not require excision of POV language. I accept that, but hope that he would expand on this point further, preferably by giving examples in this FG case. Moreover, if that edit I made was objectionable then does that mean Fire_Star's one (the version I reverted to) was also objectionable, or is it my edit in itself that was objectionable?
5. How exactly do we deal with unregistered users who vandalize Wikipedia + Wiki user pages? Note that there have been a series of anti-FG vandalism actions recently, which is curiously well-timed as they hardly existed before this ArbCom case, as well as the fact that there have only been numerous pro-FG vandalism actions before. See also the numerous times anti-FG and '3rd-party' users had their talk pages vandalized. So how do we prevent abuse of this, especially when banning IP addresses does little good to an organization that exploits the weaknesses of Wikipedia? (If you cannot answer this one, that is understandable, but if you have an answer that would be of great use)
Now just one suggestion:
1. Instead of revert parole-ing numerous users, how about simply revert parole-ing entire Wiki entries, namely the FG-related ones here? This would be the best way of preventing edit wars ESPECIALLY by unregistered users (or users exploiting this Wiki weakness), as has been supported by my relatively limited number of edits on the main Wiki FG-related entries (compare the edits I made + content I wrote on the pages' talk pages, compared to the actual entries themselves). Jsw663 19:48, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
I saw your vote on proposed principle no. 1 in the Zeq-Zero0000 case. As I've observed on the Workshop, a difficult issue is presented. I've taken a crack in the Workshop at some intermediate/compromise wording, which you might want to consider as you formulate your own ideas or proposal. Hope it's helpful in some way. Regards, Newyorkbrad 01:03, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that you've been putting succession boxes on stations inside station infoboxes. I'm personally of the opinion that this not only looks terrible, but also doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Was there consensus reached on TWP about this? I'd personally take them all out and put them in the body of the article itself. — lensovet– talk – 17:14, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
The issue as I see it with that arbcom request is not BLP but the constant overiding of discussion by a core group of users. What sparked the request was this, put simply. Afd 1, allegations of an improper close, DRV supports it, open afd 2, closed after 45 minutes as enough discussion on the subject, DRV 2 closes with improper close* again, AFD 3 runs well for four hours and consensus points to keep and then once again is closed citing enough discussion. I reopened the afd and it was again closed.
*I came into that at DRV 2 after some very annoyed people had posted to the administrators noticeboard. Carefully read that DRV, and the two previous afds then carefully weighed up all the arguments in the deletion review (ignoring content arguments apart from BLP - deletion review is about deletion policy, not another afd) decided that there was no consensus on the BLP issue, but there was strong consensus among those who bothered to argue deletion policy that closing a discussion after 45 minutes is ridiculous - especially after it was opened as a result of DRV. As someone pointed out, something sent to afd should never be speedy closed because there is quite obviously consensus not to. So i then opened the third afd. Which ran as best as I thought it could for about 4 hours and then got closed. I don't believe an RfC will work, considering the stifling of discussion that happened to lead this issue to an arbcom request, there are many of us who have no faith in it not happening again. As i see it, this is request is about the flagrant abuse of admin powers to stifle legitimate discussions. These afds were quite clearly closed against consensus, judging by the outcry of all those involved who obviously had their !votes ignored. This is also supported by the fact that when the third afd was closed, consensus at that point was quite clearly in keep territory. Despite this, it was still closed as "enough discussion" from the others.
For these reasons I urge you to reconsider the way the case has been presented. I don't blieve its largely BLP, I believe its a (to use a cliche) "admin abuse" case. All I want is a fair community discussion (afd) closed by an impartial admin. Thats what I was hoping to achieve with afd 3, but once again the communities voice was ridden rough shod over. Viridae Talk 22:52, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I just looked closely at the DRV you mentioned. I have to say that there is an almost equal run of votes from either side, that are just an afd in the wrong place. However similarly there are a number on either side that do argue deletion policy. That is a tough call, and personally I would not have closed it full stop. But as it was, it was closed, and a new afd was started and as such should have been allowed to continue longer than 45 minutes before it too was closed as a delete. That brings us to the start of my involvement, and I have to ask if you find any fault in my closure [51]. I was simply trying to resolve a touchy situation. I really think that stifling discussion like that seen in this issue of massive detriment to the community. It leads to massive distrust and divisions, as people have their opinions totally ignored. Viridae Talk 01:41, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
As a final note, I think the second question I would ask is why Matt Crypto ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) undid Drini's close with the summary "Let AfD run its course." when, of course, the AfD had already run eight days. I can only assume that he didn't read the debate before undeleting. I find it surprising as well that the initial arbitration request did not list him as a party, although he surely was, or Xoloz, whose role was perhaps more important than anyone else's in taking us through this process marathon. That said, I'm not persuaded that the committee should deal with this. If the committee does wind up taking the case, I've given you a good indication of the issues at hand, which ought to be useful regardless. Regards, Mackensen (talk) 02:21, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
I almost think it might be an idea to take this proposed arbitration, if only to establish that the Biographies of living persons policy has real teeth. But I think that much is already obvious to those who can read the policy, and in any case common human decency would have kept this execrable trash off the wiki even if that policy had not been written. -- Tony Sidaway 03:17, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi Mackensen. – Steel 12:03, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
I appreciate your recusal, I was just about to request it. Classy move on your part, seriously. Thank you. -- badlydrawnjeff talk 16:27, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi there Mackensen! I was composing my note to Mr. Raymond just as you were leaving your message, apparently. Apologies if my delayed response (I was taking some time to choose my diction appropriately) caused you any stress. Cheers gaillimh Conas tá tú? 02:17, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
I had not planned on returning to that channel in a long time anyways. Thank you for making sure I stay true to my promise. Zsinj Talk 12:12, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
I saw your reply to me here [52] all together too tiresome to become deeply involved with, at the moment but it did amuse me to see you say "Arbs privately" - Wouldn't it be fun to know who exactly on the Arb Mailing List was on IRC - I wonder? - and indeed as you say we have indeed " seen it all before" haven't we and what lessons have been learnt? - I think the common parlance is "Fuck all".
Anyhow, the reason I'm here is because I think you are the only person with the knowledge and authority to sort out the ghastly Kittybrewster business before it escalates out of all control . Giano 18:57, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
He didn't abuse any templates, and I'm on the phone with him right now. At least consider it.-- Kk rou ni 00:56, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure if this needs to go to arbitration or not. I've collaborated with him here (although not very often), and found he is trying to help the encyclopedia (albeit in his own way).
As regards Qian Zijun, maybe we should allow discussion of it on the talk page with a {{ Db-botnomainreviewed}} template, like on Talk:Gay Nigger Association of America, and that may make the situation a bit better.
However, even Internet memes are not exempt from biographies of living persons - as we all know with the Brian Peppers deletion review - and for this one, we definitely need reliable sources before an article can be re-written.
Allowing the use of a talkpage to discuss a new article may be one solution that could be used.
I'm really an outsider in this situation, but if I'm helping to try and resolve it, hopefully that would make things a bit better. -- SunStar Net talk 08:03, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Would you like to move discussion to this page? I don't see any reason to get demon needlessly worked up. jbolden1517 Talk 18:50, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi. Would like you to take a look at this – [53]. Thanks. — Nearly Headless Nick {C} 17:26, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi,
Since Ryu clears his talk page more actively then anybody I've met before, I wanted to make sure you'd caught my reply to you... (this is the whole thread, which you also might choose to remove, but it least then I'll know you've read it!)
Hi,
I just wanted to make sure that you intended to be discourteous, and it wasn't inadvertent! Now that I know you are really actively refusing to discuss the action you've taken, I'll evaluate any future disputes in that light. It's unfortunate, but some people make the choice to be the "strong, silent" type! Best wishes, Xoloz 22:30, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
When a DRV is disputed by anyone, a procedural nom. resolves the issue quickly -- since not every Wikipedian can be expected to patrol our process pages, to do otherwise might result in "renoms" from DRV delayed by days or weeks (this has happened when renoms are sometimes forgotten.) This opens us to red tape, and stupid endless discussions of procedure. Quick relisting is unambiguous, and chops the potential confusion in the bud. Because it is common sense, it will happen irrespective of any policy. Closers who know the problems that come to DRV daily will even use "pro forma" deletes to justify quick relistings, if you insist. I personally would rather such legalese didn't enter into our processes -- I them quick, plain and clear. I'm sure you'll agree, so I'll appreciate your kind indifference as the renominations continue. Best wishes, Xoloz 22:47, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
An affair in which you are involved is being discussed here. Bishonen | talk 10:09, 29 May 2007 (UTC).
Template:S-ptd has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — Waltham, The Duke of 14:04, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
You can see more about this here. The vote is not expected to be a thriller or anything; the Project only wishes to get rid of a redundant template.
Basically, I am afraid you should visit the Project's talk page more often; there are several issues that need to be dealt with. Right now it seems to be forgotten by almost all members of the Project.
Also, there is a working version of the /Guidelines subpage at User:The Duke of Waltham/SBS and any input, either a good idea or a simple comment, would be greatly appreciated.
Have a nice day.
Hello,
An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Badlydrawnjeff. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Badlydrawnjeff/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Badlydrawnjeff/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee,
David Mestel( Talk) 18:53, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi,
I wanted to learn more about why you thought the Template:Trivia thing was a content dispute - I viewed it as a policy dispute, where a template is overreaching policy, which I think needs to be discouraged. Thanks - Tempshill 17:05, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
No
Solicitation
Mackensenarchiv
Spammers: I would like for this page to stay reasonably clean. If you have business with me, feel free to leave a comment, else please move on. Please ignore the gigantic eye in the corner with the pump-action shotgun.
Unsigned messages will be ignored. You can sign your messages with four tildes (~~~~). I reserve the right to disruptively eliminate gigantic blobs of wiki-markup from signatures on a whim if I think they're cluttering up my talk page.
...for your help with that request. That it is working is shown by this [1] -- he's back to using his still-alive socks to spawn new accounts. Have a happy new year; I appreciate your work here. Antandrus (talk) 16:44, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
I think this account is a sockpuppet or impersonator of Cplot...The username. User:Abouthere
Mackensen: I reverted some vandalism to your userpage, but there were a couple of edit conflicts as I was doing so, so could you please doublecheck the userpage and make sure I caught it all and it's as you want it to be. Regards, Newyorkbrad 01:11, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
This article has been restored after its deletion was contested at Wikipedia:Deletion review. As you nominated the article to be deleted via WP:PROD, you may wish to nominate the article for a full deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. -- nae' blis 04:53, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Touché :-)
Giano
18:49, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi, we seem to be having collateral damage from the Cplot-related 68.30.0.0/16 range block, see Sadler@d50.org ( talk · contribs). I was taking it to Dmcdevit (who actually instated the block) but he seems to be away on vacations. The autoblocked user has been getting rather impatient because it was never really explained to him what was going on. Do you think there's anything we can do for him? Would it be safe to lighten the range block again at this point? I realise the Cplot case is a pretty nasty one. Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:20, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
You've got mail (forgot to mention that earlier). — Wknight94 ( talk) 03:04, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
It was suggested on WP:ANI that I bring this to you since Dmcdevit is on break right now. I unblocked 209.244.43.209 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) as per this conversation. The Showster ( talk · contribs) was caught behind the autoblock on this one. This stems from Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Bowser Koopa. However, I want to get input on this. I'm curious if I should reblock the IP address with the indefinite expiration time but make it for anonymous only (and disable account creation). Would this be more appropriate? Or should it just be the outright unblock? My concern is that I've opened us up to a flood of vandalism by completely opening up the IP address. I'm wondering if you feel that the vandalism stemming from this IP address and users on the IP address warrants a soft block with account creation disabled but one which allows currently registered accounts to be used would be more appropriate. Metros232 14:44, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Actually,the block is not preventing me from editing, so go ahead and block it if more vandalism came from it.-- The Showster 20:17, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Cplot seems more intended on using IPs instead of user accounts to poison the water at the village pump with his diatribes. Also, Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Cplot is attracting a few sockpuppets. I've dumped a whole lot of them at RFCU but I dread thinking about the number of socks there might be in the drawer. MER-C 04:43, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering if you were still active with the Trivia Cleanup project. Seeing as how Category:Articles with large trivia sections hasn't gone down much, I figured many people became inactive. I've created a talk page discussion here, asking if people are active or not: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trivia_Cleanup#Who_is_still_active_with_the_project.3F. RobJ1981 06:29, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
While I think I understand what you were saying here ( [2]) I'll have to assume good faith that you didn't intend to be as harsh in your reply as it read to me.
At the risk of sounding stupid (as I explained, I am something of a novice to process, but do quite a bit of vandal reversion, so am keen to learn correct process) I presume that with a disruptive established user, the correct thing to do would be to write specific-to-case messages, rather than dashing off an off-the-peg template, but that this is something more to do with etiquette than a WP policy. -- Dweller 12:50, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi Mackensen, thanks for your comments on my RFA and thanks for taking the time to read my answers to the many questions posed. I appreciate that good editors shouldn't be treated like common vandals, moreover that's why I suggested I'd try to discuss the situation with them before resorting to the use of templates. I have seen on at least one occasion a good, established user going off the rails (for whatever reason) who it became impossible to reason with who was then given the standard test templates before being blocked. I would be interested to hear how you would deal with this situation, if you don't mind giving me a little more of your time. Cheers! Budgiekiller 12:57, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I understand, so in these cases, we adopt an WP:IAR kind of approach to giving them final t3/t4 style warnings, keep discussing until the point of no return and then block them? It makes sense, and I understand the use of templates could send an established user further over the edge. I would most certainly be judicious in their use, and would hope that my negotiations would be sufficient. I'm sorry that this point has caused an oppose, but I fully understand your concerns and look forward to bumping into you in the future. Budgiekiller 13:20, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Okay, point made. I feel that in general all my contributions here are made with respect and good faith to all editors, including vandals who insult me and my family. I would do my best, but then I'm not infallible. Thank you, once again, for your time and interest. Budgiekiller 13:45, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry about forgetting to list the reason for editing. Lesson learned. Can you unblock me, please?
Hi, I'm trying to evaluate H4xx0r ( talk · contribs)'s unblock request. Your block-reason was very sparse. Do you mind elaborating further? --- J.S ( T/ C/ WRE) 20:32, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I know you've helped with the title of Robert Baden-Powell's article before, Robert Baden-Powell, 1st Baron Baden-Powell and the explanation at the top of the article itself. I've always wondered that his wife's article is just Olave Baden-Powell. Shouldn't it be "Olave, Lady Baden-Powell]] (which is a redirect now) or something? Could you help with the proper title per wiki rrules and British customs and an bit in the lead of Olave's article? I think the two articles should be titled similarly and I'd like to improve Olave's article. Being an American, I simply don't understand peerage titles. Rlevse 14:56, 11 January 2007 (UTC), ScoutingWikiProject Lead Coordinator
Thanks for reverting. Could you do it once more? The user switched IP and re-reverted. I checked the WHOISes (or should the plural be WHOARE?), definitely the same guy, so I blocked it, but I'm still at 3 reverts. Even though I have a BLP/vandalism defence, it would be annoying if I had to wait for someone to unblock me. -- Sam Blanning (talk) 16:13, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Hey, thanks for participating in my recent RFA. You were amongst a number of editors who considered that I wasn't ready for the mop yet and as a consequence the RFA did not succeed (69/26/11). I am extremely grateful that you took the time to advise me on to improve as a Wikipedian and I'd like to assure you that I'll do my level best to develop my skills here to a point where you may feel you could trust me with the mop.
I've been blown away by the level of interest taken in my RFA and appreciate the time and energy dedicated by all the editors who have contributed to it, support, oppose and neutral alike. I hope to bump into you again soon and look forward to serving you and Wikipedia in any way I can. Cheers! The Rambling Man 19:38, 11 January 2007 (UTC) (the non-admin, formerly known as Budgiekiller)
First of all, thanks for your help with the Tooj117 case. Regarding future procedures; it seems that I've misunderstood the instructions at the top of [ [3]] (which lead me to believe I should add new suspected socks to the top of that page and simply place the {{Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Tooj117}} template on the actual checkuser page....so instead, I should just write up a new request under the CU IP section with a reference to the original case? Thanks, OhNoitsJamie Talk 00:09, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Will I need to move the IP's to WP:OP or can you take a look? Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Enlighter1. One is already blocked. Agathoclea 00:34, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm done for a good while, if you want to tear into what I put up. F.F.McGurk 00:50, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry for taking so long to reply. Thanks for unblocking me. Hope our paths cross again in the future. Until then, thanks a lot and happy editing! SD31415 (SIGN HERE) 12:37, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
An article that you have been involved in editing, List of syndicated broadcasters of Futurama, has been listed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of syndicated broadcasters of Futurama. Please look there to see why this is, if you are interested in whether it should be deleted. Thank you. -- Slowking Man 10:54, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
I m sorry I did not understand what u wrote in usercheck of Babbarshair page, can u pls explain phippi46 17:47, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
[5] Hi, I find the above diff suspicious, as Wikimajesty has not been blocked. I thought it might be appropriate to bring it to your attention that a checkuser might be appropriate for Wikimajesty, as the circumstances suggest he is yet another sockpuppet of American Brit. Thanks. -- Majorly 18:26, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
That's fine of course but please could you tell me if it was procedural (like I didn't present the 6RRs properly) or on a point of principle, just so I know for the future? I was advised by someone [6] to pursue this route on the sockpuppet farm but perhaps there is a better way? -- BozMo talk 20:41, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Since 84.172.86.125 (p54AC567D.dip.t-dialin.net) is a dynamic dial-up IP, isn't an indefinite block likely to cause collateral damage at some point in the future? -- Delirium 02:49, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Why have you declined requests for checkuser for Max rspct? What else can be done instead of a checkuser? -- Vision Thing -- 18:08, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
I've sent over some tissues for the Manual of Style... :-) Just H 18:43, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
My cache didn't load or something and I was booted out of my screename into a plain old IP, which was "soft blocked". My IP here is 64.241.37.140, it's a coffee shop in Nashua, New Hampshire(I live just over the border and come over for the lower taxes). I guess maybe somebody else vandalized from the other side of the room or something. I'll keep an eye out for them and let you know if I see them, this is my hangout, i'm here often. Just H 20:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Hello Mac, in the article Robert Baden-Powell, 1st Baron Baden-Powell, you have removed Sir from the formal name of B-P, with the edit comment that 'sir' should not be included when the holder is a peer. Do you have a reference for that? Wim van Dorst ( Talk) 20:36, 14 January 2007 (UTC).
Hello Mackensen. BenAveling has proposed that the abusive editor behind the Revolver Ocelot/Guardian Tiger accounts move to using yet another sock. That seems a bit too easy to me, as it removes the permitted aspect of the behavior but does not address the offensive aspect (harassment and stalking). Could you take a look at the new development on ANI, here? See also this and this. Best wishes, Bishonen | talk 07:43, 15 January 2007 (UTC).
Thanks for the quick response/action. It seems Nintendude has modified his username selection practices away from Metro Detroit/his highschool related naming conventions. I was going to add him to Wikipedia:Long term abuse but decided it against it because WP:DENY; I think he's an attention seeker and besides, if I document how easy it is to spot him it might encourage him to change more than just his username practices.-- Isotope23 18:55, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Time for a two-month block? Same IP as before...-- chris. lawson 22:09, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Could you take a look at this article? I would like an outside opinion on User:DeanHinnen. Hinnen is the last name BryanFromPalestine uses in his e-mails, and this user is following his edits. But the last time I thought I saw a clear cut puppet.... Yea... Prodego talk 22:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
On January 15, 2007, Wikipedia turned six-years-old. According to statistics, Wikipedia has around 1,500,000 articles and Wikipedians have made 104,000,000 edits. The millionth article was Jordanhill railway station, created on March 2, 2006.
Wikipedia has moved from an Alexa rank of 20 to a rank of 12 having already briefly visited rank 8 ( current rank). Happy editing!
Hrmm, how come I never get random stuff like this? Guess I'm not on the right lists. -- Cyde Weys 21:23, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I appreciate the patience that you've shown in the recent thread at the Administrator's Notice Board. Despite mostly agreeing with the concept (if not the vitriol) of the side that is cast as "opposing" you, I value your commentary. Thus I present you with the "brenneman Wyrm award," showing your severed head and scaled tongue, sadly not forked. I'd note only that most recent accounts afford you with great wisdom, if questionable beauty.
I look forward to a reasonable outcome to this that will be despised equally by all sides, and to your continued tolerance of those with whom you disagree.
brenneman 00:57, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Per Essjay's request, you are hereby notified that a case, Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Arthur Ellis, has been deferred to you. Cheers, Daniel.Bryant [ T · C ] 07:26, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Keep the excellent work up with your {{ checkuserblock}}s - you've caught loads of sockpuppetmasters before they could get as bad as the most notorious vandals on Wikipedia. -- SunStar Net talk 01:51, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi Mackensen,
you deleted the article " CLC bio" using the "proposed deletion procedure" on 6th of December 2006. I'd like to ask you to undelete this lemma. Please let me know if this in not the right procedure to ask for undeletion.
thanks in advance Rewireable 14:21, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Here is the disputed sentence:
A former member of the Conservative Party, he has served as a councillor for the party on Adur District Council near Brighton. [7] [8]
Can you please give me one good reason why this sourced material should not be included in the article? User:Samuel Blanning has locked the discussion page and has deleted a valid question that I put to him. 195.92.67.75 17:52, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Can you review the block situation at 208.54.95.1 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)? It's apparently a T-mobile hotspot, and Dmcdevit blocked it, but someone just converted it to a soft block without waiting for an answer (see User talk:Dmcdevit. My recollection is the T-mobile hotspot business was one of cplot's tricks, but maybe I am conflating two different situations. Thatcher131 17:58, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
I have come to find out that User:Jefferson Anderson, User:999, User:Hanuman Das, User:Mattisse, and User:Ekajati have all been involved in an ArbCom case re: Starwood Festival and User:Rosencomet. They all seem to be following each other around WP, voting on the same things, such as the last Jahbulon AfD (which is what brings me here). We ended up with no consensus on the first two votes, and a keep on the 3rd. I don't want to put it up for DR, because it's half-decent now, but I'm concerned about this trend, because 4 or 5 votes will swing an AfD in some cases. Would it be phishing to ask for an RFCU, or has ArbCom done one? MSJapan 01:58, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Just letting you know that Essjay's deferred this case to you. Luna Santin 09:19, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for your support on my RfA, which closed favorably this morning. I appreciate the confidence the community has placed in me and am looking forward to my new responsibilities. Please let me know if ever you have any comments or suggestions, especially as I am learning how to use the tools. Best regards, Newyorkbrad 18:33, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
An article that you have been involved in editing, Constance Holland, has been listed by me at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Constance Holland. Please look there to see why this is, if you are interested in whether it should be deleted. Thank you. -- DGG 20:56, 22 January 2007 (UTC) DGG 20:56, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Since Dmcdevit has indicated on an ArbCom page that he's away for an unspecified length of time, could you please take a look at this and either unblock or decline the unblock. The user is requesting unblocking but there's a checkuser block note on the page so I'm deferring to Dmcdevit or, in his absence, to you or your designee. Newyorkbrad 23:37, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Is there a way of reconciling what you promised regarding discussion of Giano on the IRC admin channel and what Bishonen contends here? [9] -- Mcginnly | Natter 17:35, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Mack, those are the events I had in mind. I don't mean to quarrel with your reading, but I have my own. The discussion of whether it was bad to "say the G word" (=Giano), or bad to censor the saying of it, wasn't what I'd call short, nor "quickly redirected by an active chanop". It lasted for 27 minutes before Dmcdevit-- at the time "Dmcsleep" :-) --woke up and took issue with it, and after that for another ten minutes or so. I want to be absolutely clear that I don't begrudge the chanops dentistry, or sleep! They can't indeed always be there, and neither can I. (In fact, as I said, I've just come to the conclusion that there's little point in my being there at all.) The ten minutes after Dmcdevit joined in focused on a user's resentment at being threatened with a kickban by Dmcdevit for putting Giano in the topic. Actually, as was quickly made clear, this was a complete misunderstanding, but the user continued to grumble at being, putatively, rudely spoken to. This umbrage was what made me point to the rather different occasion when I was myself kickbanned from the channel, with no previous warning, no reason, and, to this day, no explanation. I suppose it's a matter of taste whether you'd call that context "Bishonen herself raised this matter". These were my words (with the user's name removed):
[07-01-20 21.02] <bishonen> [-] that's why i said the channel is "theoretically" for admins. there are non-admins who have ops in here. and who kick people for a lot less than saying any particular word. In fact for nothing. are you not aware of these things?
The "discussion" of my kickban lasted for all of one minute. It consisted of my words quoted above, an acknowledgement by the person I was speaking to that that sounded a lot worse than his own experience--in fact that a channel where such things happened was "kind of a sucky place"--a question from another user whether I had been banned for the mistaken perception that i had posted logs, which I never had time to reply to and in fact don't know the answer to (recollect that I can't tell what happens in a channel that I'm locked out of, nor have I been vouchsafed an explanation of the ban). Anyway, I was cut short by the remark you mention from as you say "a different user" that I ought not to speak of the matter--not "cover this ground again". Minutes aren't everything, but I think my brief interchange was supremely unimportant, especially in relation to the 38-minute "G-word" discussion. The whole thing is boring, in fact...but since you ask me to add to your narrative if I think it gives the wrong impression, I'll just add two things. Firstly, the "different user" who shut me up was an arbitrator. Much has been made of the supposed healthful effect of the increased presence of arbs in the channel, but this one didn't shut up anybody other than me. The G word apparently didn't offend him/her the way my attempt to clear up the mystery of my kickban did. And secondly, I don't think you do justice to the insinuations made during the G-word discussion. I would never say that "It pertained to Giano but did not actually involve any discussion of him, save the correct assertion that he is not an administrator.". I would like to, but must not, quote the remarks I mean. I t's a little frustrating. I ask you to read again. Maybe your characterisation of it as all " correct assertion" was the teeth speaking? (Try some codeine?) Bishonen | talk 21:34, 23 January 2007 (UTC).
Is there a chance to add "Irpen" and "Ghirlandajo" to the list of users that IRC admins are not allowed to discuss? If you need to know why, please review the logs you received at the ArbCom list. I hope you will find the reason convincing. Thank you, -- Irpen 04:47, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
It is understood, as I've indicated above, that "Giano" means Giano and associated editors and disputes. I regret having to use his name specifically but I think most would agree that he has been the focal point of this dispute. I'm always open to alternatives. Mackensen (talk) 16:27, 24 January 2007 (UTC)">Discussion< of Giano is >banned<. Please do not release logs, but be aware that public leaks occur. Use discretion in discussing behavior of others. | WP:AE, CAT:NS, CAT:NL, CAT:ABL, and CAT:ORFU are under-watched. WP:AFD/OLD is severely BACKLOGGED, please help | Vandalfighter: http://hekla.rave.org/vf/35/vf-beren.jar"
Could you do me a favor? Since you have a checkuser privilege, you have access to the checkuser log. Could you look there and tell me whether Giano, Ghirla or myself where ever checkusered and by who? Since none of us ever used any socks or were ever accused in that, the presence of our names in the checkuser log would hopefully shed some illuminating light. I would be also very interested to know this for personal reasons. Thanks, -- Irpen 20:15, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Please point me out to a policy clause that prevents me from knowing who ran a checkuser on me and on what pretense. -- Irpen 20:22, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
OK, here is the link to my email. Please tell me privately who and when checkusered me but I don't see why you can't tell it to me here. But thanks anyway. -- Irpen 20:28, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Let me clarify that I've done this, this one time, to clear up a matter of some controversy. I will not make a habit of it and users shouldn't think they can email checkusers asking if they've been checked. The log is private for a reason. I regret that I ever had to in the first place but it would be my hope that, having answered the question, we can move on. Mackensen (talk) 20:40, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
That's interesting. Can we all know why was Giano checkusered if this was truly the case? -- Irpen 21:40, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
In what was Giano a risk for the project? IMO, the violation of the official WM privacy policy by those who are entrusted with the checkuser access to uphold it is indeed a very great risk to the project. Am I wrong? -- Irpen 21:47, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
What does the sockpuppetry threat have to do with checkusering Giano? If DG indeed checkusered him, I consider it a very serious matter and I would like to see it acted upon with DG being strongly cautioned if he is to retain the CU privilege. I do not know if this was the case. I am talking based on Giano's assertion that DG checkusered him. -- Irpen 22:14, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
So, the question is, would the reasonable person knowing what we know about Giano could assume that Giano was contemplating a creation of the network of socks with the aim of the overall disruption of Wikipedia. That's the question, Thatcher is raising.
All right. My answer to this question would be "no way". Similarly to how I am sure that this is not what Tony would ever do either.
So, the question why Giano was checkusered is a serious one, in my opinion, and not to be dismissed lightly. -- Irpen 22:34, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
We all have gone off the rails once in a while. The narrow question here is whether any of us would have resorted to creation of a sock-net aimed at attacking Wikipedia. No reasonable person can possibly assume that Giano might do it whatever mad he is about his block orchestrated at IRC. There is no way on earth I can see his being checkusered justified. -- Irpen 22:39, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Using sockpuppets is not illegal per se. It is using them to disrupt WP is what I am talking about. Could Giano have done it in your informed opinion of someone who've seen just about everything? -- Irpen 14:54, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Since Giano knows of being Checkusered, obviously this was not done in secret and DG shared his action with people. So, there was obviously a breach of supposed secrecy, wasn't it? More importantly would be to know whether the IP info revealed by the checkuser was shared as well. -- Irpen 15:02, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, you are obviously mistaken since DG did share the info at least of the fact of the checkuser was run from what we see. More importantly, though, is that he had no justification for it whatsoever. Users like Giano and myself who built their reputation of commitment to the project by years of the content creation should not be worried that someone would checkuser them on the ridiculous pretense, like unexplainable suspicion of malaise or that "the account has been compromised" ridiculous excuse. While at it, I would like to make it clear to you and anyone with the checkuser access who might read this that I strongly object to the chekcuser being run on me on the matter of principle and WM privacy policy even though I am not hiding and my identity and location is not a secret and is already known to many. -- Irpen 15:13, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
A good question we better ask DG as well as to what was the justification and who he shared the info with and what info was shared. -- Irpen 15:16, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Merely Giano's knowing about it. -- Irpen 15:20, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
I strongly doubt that anyone with checkuser would have released that info to Giano. There is no way for sure to know what happened, of course. I think ideally the mess with the checkuser issues and lack of clarity about checkuser policy should be settled by arbcom. Starting an ArbCom case would be costly because it may likely keep arbcom tied forever, especially with the evidence of Kelly's abuse being added to the mess and some of the checkusers who have very little community trust sitting on the arbcom itself. I need to think about this myself... -- Irpen 16:42, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
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[10] No hurry. Thanks so very much! -- BenBurch 21:39, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
You performed what looks to be a checkuser block on this, in May 2006 ("rms125 sock"); the block was indefinite, but User:El chulito requested unblocking, and seemed to be a good contributor, otherwise. I've unblocked the IP ( log). If there's anything I should do (such as place an AO block), feel free to let me know, whenever/if you have a chance. Thanks! Luna Santin 22:52, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
User talk:71.57.32.46 has requested unblock twice now. I said I'd contact you - though the block expires in only a few days anyway. Appears innocent, though I could be wrong. Cheers. Patstuart talk| edits 07:57, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Re the sockpuppetry - I've sent you a mail. -- Mcginnly | Natter 15:24, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
I was about to say the same, but you beat me to it [11]. >Radiant< 16:55, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
You know, I never go to IRC, because I am busy with other things but I made an exception yesterday. I logged in to #wikipedia and requested Interiot to grant me access to the Admin channel. I figured that since non-admins are allowed, this would not be a ground-breaking precedent setting event and I figure I can also offer some valuable insights to the channel's usual crowd by my unbiased opinions. Besides, there was never any incidents with my involvement into the breach of anyone's trust, so there is no doubts that I no of about my integrity. Finally, I believe that generally, the community holds me in the higher regard than some of the well-known channel's regulars.
Interiot told me that he is not qualified to make such decisions and advised me to talk to you about this. Could you grant me the access? Thanks, -- Irpen 17:37, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
I specifically request the Admin channel, not the functionaries one. Does your answer mean "No" or you would like to send me further to yet another chanop, just like Interiot did? -- Irpen 17:43, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi! I noticed that you changed the template being used at Union Station (Denver) from the custom {{start RTD rail box}} to {{s-start}}{{s-rail}}{s-line}}(...). I think it's great that you are standardizing these succession boxes. And I looked at what it would take to remove the RTD-specific boxes. Recently, another editor added images on the I-25/Broadway (RTD) page, and the old RTD-specific box formatted the box so that it appears vertically below the images. That is to say: the box wouldn't align to the side of images anymore. I fixed this in the RTD-specific start box template, and then realized that style="clear:both;" was the reason that happened. Then I looked at Template talk:s-start and saw that you're actually in favor of clear:both. However, you don't list any examples of templates that were broken by removing this (or making it an option at least). Nor can I see any compelling reason to force every user of {{s-start}} to use clear:both when they could also use {{clear}} as David suggested. So, color me confused... unless you know of a better way to format the abovementioned page? Thanks! -- BetaCentauri 11:58, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
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I reverted this as trains towards Westferry go to Bank or Tower Gateway and to Poplar for Stratford. It showed the other way round before ir reverted. Simply south 15:09, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
I am startng on this new line so that the writing does not become squaushed. Everything is fine at C&L except the shuttles terminate there not Amersham. I suppose i should clarify more. Simply south 17:04, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
I was trying to create a link to the Boston Archdiocesan Choir School Wikipedia page (which I assumed existed based on its continued presence on e.g. answers.com) but discovered it had been deleted (in Dec, by you). I was wondering what the rationale for deletion was. (I'm not certain that it shouldn't have been deleted, although I didn't see anything obviously wrong with the answers.com version.) 137.71.23.54 21:20, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know, Mackensen. :) I'll keep an eye on it, give it some time to expand, and re-assess status later. -- El on ka 18:06, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I want to e-mail the ArbCom about a banned editor whose one-year ban was meant to expire today (yesterday, actually, since it's now after midnight). It was extended because he continued to post on his talk page, and I think that was unjust, as I had told him he could, so, even if I'm wrong, he shouldn't be penalized for that. (Admittedly, what he posted was more of the kind of stuff that got him banned in the first place, but I really don't think he's malicious the way some other banned editors were — at least in my opinion!) I have Jayjg's e-mail address, and FloNight's but I've just looked at their contribs, and they don't seem to be online. You do seem to be. Can I send it to you through the e-mail link, and would you forward it to the rest of the committee for me, please? I'll have it ready to send one minute after getting your reply! Thanks. Musical L inguist 00:15, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Just letting you know, User:Jpgordon has deferred this case to you. Luna Santin 23:34, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I just redirected the Ostbahnhof station to München Ost railway station before you got there putting up the boxes. Good work on those. Agathoclea 00:06, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
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Do you think it would be worth to use "Stammstrecke" instead of the individal linenumbers on the stations between Ostbahnhof and Pasing for the succesionboxes? Agathoclea 20:11, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi, there is no reason that there should be no article on Veoh. It is all over the news. Please unprotect. Thanks. frummer 20:22, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I saw that you reverted a paragraph in the article Copper(II) sulfate regarding use in school demonstrations. The paragraph seems legit to me, and I can confirm that the demonstration described is common in beginner's chemistry classes. You didn't specify any reason for reverting, so I thought I should just check with you what your rationale was, before I put it back, in case I might have misunderstood something. 129.240.250.4 13:35, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Should we start blocking these trollish IPs on sight, or...? -- 210 physicq ( c) 02:48, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi. You blocked the range 129.7.35.0/24 earlier today with the message {{ checkuserblock}}. One IP in that range - 129.7.35.202 ( talk · contribs) - has asked to be unblocked. Can you review the request and respond as appropriate? When I encounter an IP requesting to be unblocked after a checkuser block, should I always simply decline the request? -- BigDT 20:41, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
I see you speedied these pages as copyvios. However, there is some question about this and several other articles with the same contributor. If Argonaut was not the original contributor there is page history that is not a copyvio that is worth saving. Even if Argonaut is the original contributor there is a question as to if it's a copyvio as the originating website has a license which may be semi-compatable with Wikipedia's. At any rate, a group of us are willing to re-write these. Would you please restore it? ~ ONUnicorn ( Talk) 15:02, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Would you confirm the suspicions I have of Wrongporch ( talk + · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser( log) · investigate · cuwiki) in this mess?— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍) 20:00, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
{{s-start}} {{s-rail|title=VIA}} {{s-line|system=VIA|line=Toronto-Montreal|previous=Dorval|rows2=2}} {{s-line|system=VIA|line=Ottawa-Montreal|previous=Dorval|hide2=yes}} {{s-line|system=VIA|line=Montreal-Quebec|next=Saint-Lambert|rows1=5}} {{s-line|system=VIA|line=Ocean|next=Saint-Lambert|hide1=yes}} {{s-line|system=VIA|line=Chaleur|next=Saint-Lambert|hide1=yes}} {{s-line|system=VIA|line=Saguenay|next=Ahuntsic|hide1=yes}} {{s-line|system=VIA|line=Abitibi|next=Ahuntsic|hide1=yes}} {{s-rail|title=Amtrak}} {{s-line|system=Amtrak|line=Adirondack|previous=|next=Saint-Lambert}} {{s-end}}
Aldershot (GO station) & Fallowfield railway stationare quite irrelevant, but I can't find where they are embedded in the table (box) so I can't remove them. Peter Horn 20:55, 5 February 2007 (UTC) Peter Horn 20:57, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello User:Mackensen, can you help us??? Peter Horn 03:12, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, what exactly is the problem? Have the termini changed? Mackensen (talk) 03:16, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Copy and paste... Peter Horn 01:27, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Before you redo all the infoboxes for PATH stations, I think they should somehow denote the regular service and the late night service as the previous infoboxes did. Also, not sure I like having the next/previous stations linked at the bottom of the article. My preference is to keep them in the infobox, so one doesn't have to scroll all the way to the bottom of the page (for longer articles). I'm not sure a uniform infobox design for all metro systems is appropriate, because they don't account for unique aspects of particular systems (like late night/weekend service vs. regular service). But, if you go ahead with the change anyway, I'm not going to stand in your way much. However, if you try to make the same changes to Washington Metro station articles, I know the regular editors there will likely oppose it because the infoboxes there incorporate things specific to that system. I don't think the standard infoboxes would go over well either for New York City Subway stations. -- Aude ( talk) 19:37, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
(indent) I've got a working example now at User:Mackensen/Pathtest. This allows the code formerly at the bottom to simply be included within the infobox. Thoughts (I cribbed from the Metro template, which has similar functionality)? Mackensen (talk) 20:54, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
You're not planning to touch the New York City subway? That's it, I'm unwatching this page; I just read it for the subway coverage. Newyorkbrad 21:01, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I can't believe I'm arguing about Fuzzy Zoeller evidence with a Tigers fan. I love the Tigers!
That being said, I don't think you understand my point about the Zoeller case. They are going after someone who RESTORED edits in December that were initially CREATED in August. Where can we see the evidence of the identity of the August editor? How can you not think this is important? -- 72.94.164.52 05:06, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Hey, Mack, long time no... talk page dif. FWIW, pulling that comment off the talk page was the right call. Cheers, JDoorjam JDiscourse 07:13, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I actually think I just figured it out. At first I thought the S-line/left/x-line was for masking names.. but now I see that its just for termini. So, I got rid of the redirect on the right one (I was basing it off of London's LUL) and just put a single variable into the #switch. Is that how it works? -- drumguy8800 C T 18:40, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Is it concratulations or commiserations that are in order? Pity for the time taken away from the good work you are doing now, but I have every confidence in your ability/insight at ArbCom. Agathoclea 23:25, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm creating some new infoboxes for stations along the Merseyrail line: advice is appreciated! -- sunstar net talk 14:15, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Btw, Merseyrail is actually part of our national rail network. It is not a seperate metro. Simply south 23:11, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi. Just wondering why the Merseyrail stations template that you've cleared from
Sandhills railway station is 'superfluous' per your edit comment. Please can you advise? Many thanks 13:57, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I know that on Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Danny Daniel, you said that the evidence was inconclusive, but you may want to look at the page Jibbert Michart Macoy. It was created by Jibbity, but it's similar to the misinformation added by Danny Daniel's confirmed sockpuppets ( [13], [14], [15]). Squirepants101 16:49, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Is this completed yet, or is it still to be kept active per you for further input? Cheers, Daniel.Bryant 01:43, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Do you have a list of Geni's prior indiscretions? I searched around and couldn't find anything and I have only some fairly vague memories. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 23:55, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Here's the protection war over Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2006/Candidate statements/Questions for Paul August:
Here's Geni revert-warring with Anthere over the site notice, in January of 2006:
And another revert-war over the site notice, this time in July/August of 2006:
Finally, there's the time he undid protect on an OFFICE-protected article without consulting Danny, back in March of 2006. This occasioned his second temporary de-sysoping (c.f. [21]). This may seem like old business but I dislike the pattern, and I don't view arbcom's failure to address the matter previously as an adequate justification for letting it slide this time. Mackensen (talk) 00:15, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
On a slightly related note, is it possible to encourage members to indicate their first and second choice when there are multiple variations of a proposed remedy? It gets hard to follow which variation is the most preferred. NoSeptember 13:34, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Seeing as I have somehow elected to cover almost the entire Finnish railway network on the English Wikipedia, do you think I should join the WikiProject Trains? JIP | Talk 19:48, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
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I've partially reverted your edit to Milton Keynes Central railway station. Who wants to see a screenful of white space before the article starts? Who would even know to scroll down to find any content. I assume good faith but I don't understand why you thought that this would work? -- Concrete Cowboy 13:18, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
"It is my understanding that Jimbo is presently traveling in India and may not have ready means of communication at his disposal." -- buried deep within the Essjay RFC.
You might want to move that right up top, as a comment under Jimbo's view, where most people will actually see it. Derex 02:16, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Why have you apparently taken it upon yourself to convert EVERY UK railway station page? Did I miss a memo? Or are you the self-appointed template converter? I fail to see why the template as seen below is apparently so offensive to you that you feel you need to change every single edition of it.
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I look forward to an explanation. Hammersfan 04/03/07, 23.20 GMT
Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Danny Daniel. Cheers, Daniel Bryant 10:59, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Tobias Conradi has added you to his list because of a revert you made. Fame and fortune will soon come your way. - CHAIRBOY ( ☎) 14:27, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi ,i just deleting these artilces [ [22]] and every time deleting those are again poping up.see my contribution you will understand.Please Help me what to do. Khalidkhoso 03:32, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Has there been any discussion on the AC mailing list about appointing Cowman109 and Newyorkbrad as clerks (my request of last week?) Thatcher131 01:30, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
When the new arbitrators took office at the beginning of the year, the decision was made that they would be considered as recused/non-participating in cases that had been accepted before they came in, but could elect to participate in any such case either by noting that they would be participating or by voting. At that point the Clerks adjusted the list of active arbitrators for that case and the majority accordingly. Would you like to proceed on the same basis for the cases that were pending as of this morning? This is significant because we have some cases nearing closing and have to make sure whom to include in calculating the majority. Thanks, Newyorkbrad 02:11, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi. There seem to be some problems with the software today. In this edit to the above, in adding your proposals your edit seems also to have removed some comments by Fred Bauder and others. I assume this was not intentional. Regards, Newyorkbrad 19:07, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
There seems to be a few parties that want to name more editors as parties to the article; I've proposed a motion-- please take a look at it and let me know what you think? - Penwhale | Blast the Penwhale 06:57, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi. You and Morven state on the RFAr/InShaneee evidence talkpage that "no evidence has been brought forward of a blocking pattern", but only of two separate incidents (the block of A Link to the Past, the block of Worldtraveller). I've given evidence of a pattern of blocking threats, which can IMO be as serious, and tend as much to subduing adversaries in content conflicts, as actual blocks. Please see the top of my evidence section. Right now I don't know if there would be any point in adding more examples of the same thing, since neither of you has replied to my question about it. I know there are more diffs out there, but it's very time-consuming to track down this kind of evidence, and if arbitrators aren't interested in it in any case, I guess I won't bother. Bishonen | talk 08:30, 14 March 2007 (UTC).
I would like to draw your and ARbcom members attention to a bulk of personal attacks and accusation with which user:Fadix flooded workshop page. He openly admits that he will continue his attacks. It is absolutely unacceptable. Workshop page is destroyed. It is very bizzare that almost no other Armenian users participate in the discussion despite there are several involved. I have feeling that they communicated with each other and this is a strategy: Fadix bombs and tarnishes all Azeri editors involved (me, Adil, Atabek and Grandmaster). We have to response to all these allegations. And here is clear picture - Fadix vs. 4 bad Azeri editors. We can not keep silence because he constantly accuses us in sock- and meat pupetting, harassing, saying that we are government representatives, and so on. Maybe he wants that someone from us will lose his temper and make personal attacks. That will equal the situation because now several Armenian editors are listed in workshop for personal attacks. How long it will be allowed to harrass us - he repeats over and over again that we are oficial reps, etc. I kindly and urgently request temporary injection - no more personal attacks and harrasment on workshop page. -- Dacy69 21:29, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
User:Kathryn NicDhàna has given another statement (I think it's semi-evidence, but it's placed on the main case page) at here. Please advise action. - Penwhale | Blast him / Follow his steps 03:42, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
The only issue to my knowledge that is still current and unresolved is the issue over Pallywood, where I made a mistake on trying to intervene in a content dispute (see my satement) Betacommand ( talk • contribs • Bot) 18:26, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
When you convert the old WMATA station templates to the new format, could you put the succession boxes inside the infobox? We've expressed a slight preference for that at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Washington Metro#New station infobox? and having it done that way up front would save the trouble of converting later. SchuminWeb ( Talk) 13:49, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
The two ips which were creating these accounts were blocked. Yet it is still going on. I have found two more today.
I am tired of being the Kate McAuliffe vandal and sockpuppet ( talk + · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser( log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Apologies to whoever got affected by a Kate McAuliffe vandal ( talk + · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser( log) · investigate · cuwiki). Just to inform you. Already been blocked. Retiono Virginian 15:12, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
You seem to be the one who has worked on the templates for the succession boxes in articles on rail stations, so I hope you can help me. I'm doing a Wikia on transit, and many of the articles are direct copies from Wikipedia (with some minor changes that are irrelevant to this discussion). When I copy the articles with succession boxes, I can make them work OK, though I had to figure out the added template names I needed to copy. However, when I try to use parallel logic to create succession boxes on systems that have not been treated that way on Wikipedia, sometimes they work and sometimes they don't. I can't figure out what I'm doing differently on wikia:metro:Old Mill (TTC) (which works just fine) and on wikia:metro:Milford Mill (Baltimore MTA station) (which fails to pick up the previous and next stations and the termini from the appropriate places).
I'd appreciate any help you can give me. You can reply to me at User talk:BRG or at wikia:metro:User talk:BRG. -- BRG 17:14, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Good morning ( GMT time); is there a quick way of being able to access the IRC CheckUser (clerk) channel, to monitor the bot feed? It would be extremely useful in clerking, as well as to ask for guidance during these early days of my clerking duties.
Kind regards,
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As you expressed your interest in the matter on Clawson's RfA, you may want to take a look at the discussion and my proposal. Regards, — KNcyu38 ( talk • contribs) 14:58, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
hello, can you please ban me? Wikiholic888 01:24, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
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An IP made this edit to the article talk. As you have the volume, is there anything to that or is it only rubbish? Does the book quote an historian Adolf Caspary or such? — KNcyu38 ( talk • contribs) 02:01, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
I have left a clarification why I feel arbitration is still necessary in regards to betacommand under my statement. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 18:32, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure where to put this, since Thatcher and NYBrad on User talk:Newyorkbrad discouraged me from lengthening my statement, or continuously replying to other comments. It's really as per "Response to ChrisO", and "Chrislk02's clarification why arbitration is still necessary", and "Comment by Chacor" sections. Yes, Bc does clean up after himself, then does it again. Note the 3 incidents that I detailed in my comment happened in 6 days. I don't really understand the fine details of bot policy, but reading that discussion, he seems to have a history of problems there. As Doc Glasgow writes, the Irpen block was back in December, so is spilled milk. However the other block issue in Bishonen's statement was less than 1 month ago. In response to it, Betacommand wrote:
“ | Like I said above I am stopping blocking users until there is an agreement on this issue, it might be a month, it might be six months, it might be a year. Also I think you misunderstood my last post I said that I was sorry for not being able to respond to further questions for several hours I had personal matters to attend to. I think this issue needs to be settled too. Betacommand (talk • contribs • Bot) 15:03, 28 February 2007 (UTC) | ” |
Didn't help.
I'm not looking to get Bc completely banned, he is a well intentioned user, but he's a bull in a china shop, every time he turns around there is a crash and something expensive gets broken. I don't even know what remedy exactly I want to come from this, but there needs to be something. Maybe full desysopping, maybe some kind of probation, even a formal reprimand? Otherwise it just keeps going and going. -- AnonEMouse (squeak) 18:47, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Wow, how amazing! Your first edit is the same as my birthday on the 23rd of August. Khairul hazim 13:14, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
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Do your duty! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Atomicthumbs ( talk • contribs) 16:10, 4 April 2007 (UTC).
Just to let you know, I've emailed you (sorry, I've been having problems with people recieving them), let me know if you don't get it Ryanpostlethwaite contribs/ talk 01:00, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
IRC user Mask if you could. Thank you. - M ask? 16:41, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm trying to better organise the Berlin S-Bahn and U-Bahn pages and I've come across your station template, but I'm not quite sure what it's supposed to accomplish other than creating a type of pipe link without manually doing so. I'd like to know what the purpose is so I can use it. Keatinga 18:38, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi Mackensen, you blocked the above IP in september 2006 indefinately for being used by a banned user. Well...... it got unblocked on March 1 and since then it's had 3 seperate blocks, I've just blocked for a month. Would you support indefinately blocking again? I'm hesitent to jump in by myself as you've obviously got the check user results somewhere. Cheers Ryanpostlethwaite contribs/ talk 13:13, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi Mackensen, I need your help. REDVERS, one of the Administrators that is working with the Fellowship of Friends page, left me the following message:
I wrote to REDVERS but he didn't reply to me. Do you know how can I find out who the sock pupeteers are based on this and this? Thanks a lot! Mario Fantoni 18:17, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Greetings,
What do you mean by "inconclusive"? Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Otheus Why isn't it possible to conclusively say I am not using one of the IP addresses given, all of which are based in Australia/NZ? -- Otheus 11:28, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Totally unrelated to your RfB, except that I found him in your edit list: August von Mackensen. Are you related to the Marshal, an admirer of his, or is the username an odd coincidence? Just curious. :) Best wishes, Xoloz 00:02, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
I feel disclosing private e-mails in public is dishonest, as there is a general understanding of confidentiality. Everyking 02:43, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Two questions posted there for you: one, in the question section; the other, as part of the continuing discussion under Bishonen's comment. Best wishes, Xoloz 05:00, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Was I imagining it, or did your userpage say you were an oversighter yesterday but not today? There's no record of removal of text in the history. -- TeckWiz Parlate Contribs @(Lets go Yankees!) 16:57, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi,
I noticed this remark of yours in amongst the threads of the RfB talk page, and I feel the need to examine it with you. I hope I'm not taking it to far out of context, but I find it very alarming: "My principal concern here is that making people feel their opinion is valued may not be of any tangible benefit to the encyclopedia."
This logic reminds me of Kelly Martin and the advocates of the great Userbox Purge. I thought everyone had learned their lessons from that, but perhaps you didn't. The encyclopedia is paramount, but it is written by people, all of us co-equal, across countries, continents, and cultures. If people do not feel that their input is crucial to the management of our volunteer project, they will leave. To argue with Edmund Burke from your userpage (I ignore Russell Kirk's existence in polite company, to keep the expletives from flying), it is not enough that everyone's interest is represented by proxy -- they must feel themselves empowered. A government can afford to ignore, for a time, a disillusioned, apathetic people; an all-volunteer project absolutely cannot. Wikipedia needs a dose of John Dewey far more than Edmund Burke. To be blunt, the tangible benefit to the encyclopedia that you've missed above is this: people must feel happy writing it! Ignore the community, and the paramount object of encyclopedic work withers and dies. I'm sure your sentiment was more intelligent than it appeared to me from your remark, and I trust that you will be more sophiscated in addressing this issue in the future. If you ever have any doubt why the community's sense of involvement in the project is of tangible benefit to the encyclopedia, you need look know further than the disastrous events of January, 2006: all the time and resources wasted when a small segment of administrators forgot that they needed to carry the community's goodwill with them in any action. Alienate too many, and the encyclopedia suffers. Best wishes, Xoloz 19:23, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
I've asked a question on your RfB and I would be interested to see your response. Regards and Happy Easter! (aeropagitica) 21:03, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Your comments show a bit of ignorance about what's been going on at RFA (which is understandable since you admit you aren't a regular). So I'd like to give you a bit of background.
In the last year only 5 RFAs have closed in a way inconsistent with a straight 75% threshold vote:
The other 99% of RFAs were closed in a manner that looked just like a vote. The low promotions were all highly controversial. The high fails were hardly even noticed since they fell in the "traditional" 75-80% discretionary range, though it is worth noting that this discretionary range is almost never used to fail candidates any more. Dragons flight 22:17, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Frankly, given your platform in the round, I don't see why we would need to bother with any sort of process at all. Surely all an ordinary editor like me would have to do would be to approach the noble on bended knee and ask to be elevated to the adminhood? Given that you say that you will simply ignore opposition you do not concur with (and have been read as saying that, before you complain, see TonySidaway's comment), why would you even need to see the opposition? Grace Note 07:46, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
I think you may not have appreciated it fully, but there is a significant way in which this is radical. From the beginning of RFA is was not the job of Bureaucrats to judge whether a candidate had the qualities of a good admin. In fact, 'crats were not intended to be judging the candidate at all. The job of the 'crat was to judge the community's will (as experessed at RFA) and determine consensus. To use an extreme and silly example, if most of the community decided that "candidate's name starts with the letter M" was a reason to oppose, then the Bureaucrat was expected to implement that consensus and fail the nom. The Bureaucrat might think that the community's reasons were silly, but that wasn't part of the process. The Bureaucrat was only supposed to decide whether the community had reached a consensus or not. Within that framework, it might even be considered better than a 'crat form no opinion on the candidate's qualifications at all.
Compare that to your statements that you are looking for a particular set of qualities, and I think you can appreciate that there is a significant difference. As historically defined, Bureaucrats were not in the business of deciding what is or is not a relevant objection, and yet that is exactly the sort of thing you have declared you intend to do if promoted. If I understand your intentions correctly, you would shift from a process where 'crats judge the will of the community expressed at RFA to one where 'crats judge the qualifications of the candidates based on the information provided at RFA. While the distinction might seem subtle, I would qualify that as a radical change. Dragons flight 23:46, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your question. No, not that was not my intent. As an uninvolved third party, it looks like you did something wrong in that situation, but you have apologized for it and I mean do not mean to be citing that as a reason for opposition. I will clairfy my comment on the RfB. Thanks very much,
Johntex\
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23:51, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Regarding your comment here: You may be interested in (and I'd appreciate any input/comment on) my proposal for RfA reform. — KNcyu38 ( talk • contribs) 13:06, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
It is obvious your RfB is going to fail now. On a strict vote counting basis, you're 74 votes in the hole now, assuming 85% threshold and 178 for 90%. It was changed from 90% to 85% in some references without discussion, so it's uncertain what threshold the current bureaucrats will use. Discussion long, long ago set it at 90%. Your RfA was percolating along at ~20 votes in the hole all day Sunday, but as soon as Monday rolled around, it started heading south in a hurry. With three days gone in the RfB, it's unlikely it will reverse course and climb that long ladder back into the positive.
The failure of your RfB and our past disagreements aside, the failure of RfA is something we both agree on. We are far from being alone. As I've spoken to many times in the last few weeks, the regulars at RfA are incapable of reforming it. Any proposal put forth has been shot down. There is simply too large of a group to gain consensus on the best way forward to fix RfA.
I had a discussion with Cool Cat about this a few days ago. I helped him put together the page at User:Cool Cat/Adminship survey summary by providing some references to charts and data. In our discussion, I noted that the page he created was just a beginning. The analogy I used was that this page got us to roughly Baltic Avenue, when our goal was to get to Boardwalk. Considerably more work would need to be done. I did not know that he intended to bring an RFAR on the subject and would have advised against doing so until considerably more work had been done, in the least.
I have long felt that since the regulars at RfA are incapable of reform that there were two parties capable of accomplishing the overthrow (for lack of a better term) of RfA; ArbCom and Jimbo. Seeing the resounding rejection of the RfAr and the rationale for rejection, it appears ArbCom is entirely unwilling to take such action. That leaves Jimbo.
I believe the time has come to put together a very well reasoned and supported proposal to overthrow RfA and replace it with another system. In sum and speaking in abstract,
Some months ago, starting in January of this year, I sketched out a plan of action to achieve RfA reform. Among the steps in the strategy was:
In early March I was involved in a discussion with David Gerard regarding the nature of RfA. In that discussion, he indicated he would likely be approaching Jimbo to ask for RfA to be overthrown. I had hoped, perhaps naively, that this would result in Jimbo at least looking at RfA with an eye towards possibly overthrowing it. I do not know if David ever approached Jimbo, or if Jimbo did take a look. But, given how much was wrong, I expected RfA as we know it to be gone by now [26].
I did not expect to get drawn into a discussion regarding the status and nature of clerks. This disagreement consumed a great amount of time and energy. It dovetailed very nicely into my strategy for RfA, in that the strategy for my efforts at RfA strongly supported my efforts at removing the exclusionary nature of clerks. I was very heartened that my efforts in this realm succeeded, despite a number of objections (not gloating here, just noting).
However, I found myself having a distinct lack of energy subsequent to my clerk dispute efforts. I stumbled, and fell back into a pattern of doing trivial things (like, fair use image removal from non-mainspace). As time went on, and David/Jimbo did nothing at RfA, I became disillusioned about any hope that RfA could be reformed, and thought to myself that it would take people with more brains and time than myself to achieve RfA reform.
Then, I came across a video having to do with Red Hat Linux. Viewed from the perspective of RfA needing reform, and that reform being equivalent to Red Hat Linux, the video gave me new found impetus, enough to write m:User:Durin/fodder. Still, a week later I found myself lacking energy. I went into a self-enforced period of inactivity in an attempt to refocus myself, not editing for the better part of a week until your RfB came up.
Now it seems everyone is talking about RfA reform again. Yet, once again that reform will be impossible to achieve without Jimbo stepping in. But, in order for him to step in we must present something he can get his arms around in a ready fashion. There needs to be highly detailed work to support the overall proposition so that the peanut galleries can at least follow along, and if Jimbo needs to be convinced the material is there to support it. From that, a strong executive summary needs to be written. It needs to summarize why RfA is broken and the problems it currently has, be very clear about the goals RfA is supposed to achieve, and propose a system that will achieve the goals, avoid the extant problems (many of which are social in nature) while being scalable to a Wikipedia of some years from now.
Despite your RfB failing, I hope that you will be willing to engage in assisting in such an effort as detailed above. Frankly, I lack the time and energy to do it largely by myself. It's going to take several very focused individuals to achieve it. I don't have a suggestion on an inception point. Userspace somewhere, with some notions of focus skimmed from the above and/or elsewhere.
Sorry for the long ramblings. I guess in short I'm asking if you're willing to help with this? -- Durin 14:23, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Arthur Ellis. Thatcher131 14:56, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Mackensen, I don't expect a reply, but since it appears you have glossed over this at the talk page of Danny's RFA, I'm cross-posting this here:
I didn't know who you were prior to your RfB and, further, didn't know you were a CheckUser. I apologise if my tone was inappropriate. -- Iamunknown 02:49, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
I wonder whether the 'crats would have taken so much time to sift through the arguments at Danny's RFA without the discussion your RFB engendered on the need for them to use their discretion more widely. So, if it fails, as I'm afraid that it will, something good has come from this. Good for you. -- Spartaz Humbug! 07:46, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi Mackensen, since this is a long comment (you seem to have received many of these already, but here's another) I decided to post here instead of on your RFB. Since you are an admin who I greatly respect I think it will only be fair to you if I can elaborate a bit on my views on RFA, and why they conflict too much with your RFA views.
Generally, I am in favor of having a bureaucrat discretion range. I don't support a super-fixed threshold: Over XX% always pass, below it always fail. It is true that on RFA, some arguments are strong, some arguments are weak but good faith and reasoned nonetheless, and some arguments are just meta-reasoning utterly unrelated to the candidate (e.g., at the risk of violating WP:BEANS: "Oppose. Wikipedia is a waste of time, why bother?", is a protest on some slight and not something the candidate could possibly be expected to remedy in any reasonable way.)
However, I do think that the position of bureaucrat should be a position more akin to election coordinator and counter, than one of a trial judge. There are serious advantages with having the community having the final say, and leaving large percentage ranges where there is no bureaucrat discretion. First, what makes a good and bad admin is generally a subjective view. Very subjective. It is hard to find truly objective criteria here. Even harder than to find truly objective criteria of what "notability" is supposed to mean on AFD. It boils down to the discretion of the community. As such, in the majority of cases, I cannot see a really good case for saying that the bureaucrat's discretion is sounder than the discretion of the particpants on the RFA.
For some case studies I'll mention:
I think that if the bureaucrat is to start tossing aside "oppose" votes in the closing, then that should only be due to either sockpuppetry, or reasons so utterly unrelated to the candidate that any reasonable person will realize that the dismissal is a fair decision.
I don't agree with the "RFA is broken and must be fixed" mantra. I'll admit that I'm unsure what "broken" means here, does it mean that good candidates are not getting promoted? Does it mean that the tone on RFA can get too nasty? Does it mean that RFA tends to promote rogue admins? (If it means any of the above, then my views are incidentally "Sometimes, but usually still reasonable and remediable sometime in the future, using the same RFA process, a new nomination a few months later is frequently successful", "Yes, but that is a trouble with the participants, not the process itself" and "Generally no, the admins who have wound up forcibly desysopped were rarely such that we could tell a priori that the adminship would end that way.") So I feel that what is not broken does not need that much fixing. The times RFA have really generated storms have been when bureaucrats have used their discretion outside the normal discretion range (Sean Black's re-RFA, Carnildo's re-RFA, Ryulong's 3rd RFA, and now Danny's re-RFA). In all these cases, arguments were presented directly related to the candidate's previous use of admin tools, or concerns which directly relate to the use of admin tools. Even so, bureaucrats used their "discretion" to override these significant and real concerns, and I feel that is disrespectful. I feel that any overriding of significant concerns in the oppose section should be done only by the community... in the form of support. I opposed Khaoswork's adminship a long time ago based on experience concerns, but was overridden by the community. That the candidate became a good admin shows that the community made a good choice (and I didn't in that particular instance). It just seems to me that giving bureaucrats more discretion is the wrong way to go here, because, as I write above, why is the 'crat's discretion inherently better?
There are of course times where I see RFA's fail when I supported, and still think the person would do well with the admin tools. Kappa failed his RFA, and I feel that was a great pity. I think Everyking was a major boon to RC patrol when he was an admin. I consider it a pity that he failed his re-RFA application. But I won't didmiss the entire RFA system as broken because it produces a few results I disagree with. As a method for gauging community consensus I would in fact give RFA pretty high marks, the results which I didn't like are caused by the community consensus going against me or not existing. And no process can be expected to remedy that problem.
Anyway, hope you're well, and hope the ArbCom duties haven't made you're eyes square from staring at the computer screen yet. :-) Sjakkalle (Check!) 09:30, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
I very much want to know any specific finding about the 203... IP address. That IP made personal threats against me and I've been waiting two weeks for a response on that despite messages to Luna Santin, Dmcdevit, and an e-mail to Cary Bass. It is absolutely intolerable for this serious matter to slip through the cracks with this many people for so long. Durova Charge! 15:26, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
-- howcheng { chat} 16:00, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
I've responded to you, just above Edivorce's oppose comment -- wasn't sure if you'd notice it in all the word-mess (a reason to think, maybe, that contentious RfX's are a little too big for a free-ranging discussion? Maybe that's why we have folks use bold-face, and numerize their comments... for ease of comprehension. Perhaps the current system has a reasonable basis after all! :) Xoloz 16:15, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
That was a bit mean. Please don't block me again. -- 24.235.229.208 20:54, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Just wanted you to know that despite my !vote to oppose, I do generally think that you do good work for the project. Nothin' personal, and I wish you luck on finding ways to improve RFA. - Hit bull, win steak (Moo!) 23:06, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
I noticed you changed your vote on the motion to close. Do you wish for me to wait for your proposal to pass before closing it? (It needs 2 more support vote to pass.) - Penwhale | Blast him / Follow his steps 10:39, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
I saw that in your edit summary, so no worries. I've been following the thread, but thanks anyways for the note. Much appreciated. :) Titoxd( ?!? - cool stuff) 20:14, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi. If you have a second, could you take a look at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Burntsauce_blocked.2C_talkpage_blanked_and_protected? I'm concerned that a mistake has been made. Jkelly 22:14, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Hey, I noticed that in January, there was a block you made based on CheckUser:
Would it be appropriate to ask what kind of disruption? There's an IP currently making questionable edits. – Chacor 11:41, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
I still can't get over the fact that the community will not give an Arbitrator Emeritus, Oversight, CheckUser, and admin Bureaucrat status. Those accomplishments (or promotions, whichever you want to call it) are amazing for a user to achieve. Clearly if someone can be trusted by the Foundation and ArbCom with sensitive IP information per the CheckUser tool, then he or she could be trusted with the simple task of promoting users and granting bot status. Still kinda peeved, ~ Step trip 03:20, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
I have responded to your question ( [29])/ -- Dweller 20:24, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
How do you fix the link to the TOC correctly in the resultant infobox, or rephrased which template is controlling that?
two examples I've encountered are;
historically (lets not go there for now) Gatwick Airport railway station vs [30] - specifically that all the TOCs wl's work except Southeastern (points to Southeastern not Southeastern (train operating company), while Southern does point to Southern (train operating company).
currently I'm working on New Zealand and with Britomart Transport Centre vs [31], i can't get the "MAXX (Veolia)" to wl like it used to (the MAXX piping to ARTA and the Veolia to Veolia (New Zealand)
Hope thats clear, and thanks in advance Pickle 19:00, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Check the recent history of the Ngo Dinh Diem article.-- VnTruth 01:13, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Can I, please, ask the reason for declining Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/NAHID? I am not challenging anything. You could say, I just wanted to know the process better? Is that alright to ask? If yes, please, respond to my talk page. Aditya Kabir 16:52, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Delete I was wondering about... can you oversight the bad revisions? Do you have that power? You can answer here, I'll keep an eye out. Thanks. -- Ali'i 21:42, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Inserted again... [32]. -- Ali'i 21:52, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm curious, if it turns out that the posted name was in fact the correct name, will you say anything?
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For effective use of oversight and page protection to keep Wikipedia out of trouble- and thereby protecting an apparently innocent person's reputation. WjB scribe 13:40, 17 April 2007 (UTC) |
Well a name has now been released in relation to the shootings [33] and its not the person whose details were in the deleted revisions that required oversight. Well done for being on the ball! WjB scribe 13:40, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Would you mind closing this so I can refile it as per checkuser request. Interference from other users made the case complicated and hard to follow. I will summarize what I originally had as well. -- Cat chi? 23:47, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Mackensen, thank you for helping identify the sockpuppeteer on the Fellowship of Friends page. Mario Fantoni 17:00, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Mack. A user has asked on the evidence talk page about the scope of the Ideogram-Certified.Gangsta RFAR case and has been answered, I don't think very appropriately, by Ideogram himself.. also by Wizardman, another user who has submitted evidence exclusively against CG. I have repeated and specified the question myself now, because I think it's rather difficult to supply evidence without some delimitation of what the case is for. I've explained fully on the page. Could you take a look, please, and respond? I know how busy you are, but this is the kind of thing that could save time in the long run, I think. Regards, Bishonen | talk 20:52, 17 April 2007 (UTC).
As soon as you've got a minute, is there any chance you could attend to this check IP request? It's getting quite serious (read Newyorkbrads comments for a thread on the issue). Cheers Ryan Postlethwaite 23:45, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Just to tell you I marked the case as completed. I had the shadow of a doubt since you didn't use a template. -- lucasbfr talk 12:26, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Hello. Sorry to bother you, but can you please tell me why this checkuser case was declined? Thanks. -- Behnam 00:46, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
I saw that you overturned Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/LactoseTI.
However, I am suspicious about the relation between LactoseTI and Komdori.
Komdori has not responded to any questions or comments on his userpage for many months. He has also not been active around articles that he has been participating in, for example Mount Baekdu. He has most recently only responded to my comments about a couple days ago.
However, there is a dispute that have arisen and he has immediately voted for the side he supports along with LactoseTI, while not participating in the discussion but knowing almost everything we have been talking about (although he may have been observing without making any comments). [34]
Also, several users have questioned the authenticity of his claim of being Korean descent. It is extremely rare in Korea, or in Korean communities elsewhere for a Korean to reject Korean positions on political issues. Komdori has always refuted pro Korean arguments, which has made several users (including me) curious about his beliefs.
Now this is only an assumption and I am not saying it is wrong for him to believe in what he wishes to. It is not like ALL Koreans are pro-Korean.
It is simply very unnatural and almost strange for a user who claims to be of Korean descent to not defend the Korean arguments. It seems as if the user was purposefully created this way.
Again, I am only assuming Komdori's ethnicity to be not true as he claims and I am not disagreeing with his beliefs.
I am also not here to weaken LactoseTI and Komdori's arguments (for I am opposing their arguments generally) on purpose by making a false accusation. The awkward relationship between these two users and how Komdori knows everything even when not participating in the discussion does not seem normal to me.
thank you for your time. Good friend100 02:30, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Ok then, sorry if you are offended, I'll respect your opinion a little more. Good friend100 20:55, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Would you mind looking into this case. There are far too many sockpuppets for comfort. Raul did a partial check already. -- Cat chi? 23:32, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry that your RFB failed, and please don't be discouraged, because you are a very good arbitrator and hopefully you can launch another RFB in future.
By the way, I saw your name mentioned in the User:Robdurbar affair, and I suspected his account was stolen. But you said it was him, what was the reason that you were so sure?
Happy Editing! - Wooyi Talk, Editor review 22:18, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi Mackensen! I don't believe we've 'met', but it appears that we share some similar views. I recently made a proposal of sorts on WT:RFA, which can currently be viewed here. This fine fellow pointed out that you made a very similar proposal a while back. Bit curious, but I guess it's true what they say about great minds thinking alike, hehe. The idea has seemed to generate some support, so hopefully we'll be able to implement this at some point. I invite you to participate in the discussion, and also, would you mind if I merged our two ideas, as you seem to have some of the logistics spelled out a bit better than I? Cheers mate gaillimh Conas tá tú? 12:36, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi. The arbitration committee didn't accept the case, so I'm going to try some other recommended avenues. But I haven't heard back about the sockpuppet stuff I brought up -- is that being checked or should I go through the more usual channels now? -BC aka Callmebc 12:28, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
I read your notice [35], and I agree that there is a revert war going on, which I don't like, so please help me clarify a few things by commenting on my contributions.
The Suppression_of_Falun_Gong page:
- I think that this contribution is essential: [36] because it's well sourced and very relevant to the page. Please review and let me know what you think.
Also the tags are necessary because the current version of Suppression_of_Falun_Gong [37] is hijacked by the POV of Special:Contributions/Samuel_Luo a Falun Gong critic who is proposed for being banned [38], also you may observe that the contributions of Special:Contributions/Pirate101 and Special:Contributions/Yueyuen are only imitating Samuel Luo's behavior.
A few questions:
My opinion regarding these questions, and please let me know if I'm wrong.
PS: Note that this is question is here for more then a month now: [43]
I would really like more input on this issue, which would be also very much appreciated. Thank You.
-- HappyInGeneral 14:33, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
I know you have already dealt with this case before and determined that it was a "likely" violation of Wikipedia policy via checkuser but that you also provisionally overturned that result. However, you also said the issue could be revisited. My question is, what types of behavior would qualify this case for another look? I'm not an expert of the vagaries of account abuse but have sucessfully uncovered several sockpuppets via other checkuser cases. These "two" editors behavior seem problematic. The evidence I have this time is: 1) User:Komdori's last edit was 27 Novemeber 2006 and did not start editing again until 16 April 2007. [45]. 2) User:LactoseTI's last edit was on 24 October 2006 and this user did not start editing on Wikipedia again until 9 April 2007. 3) Komdori had only 12 edits after LactoseTI's last edit in October of last year and both began suddenly editing again April of this year. 4) There is one single message left by LactoseTI on Komdori's talk page urging his/her participation in a debate on the Port Hamilton article. [46]. However, there are no other messages between the two editors but they happen to edit in a similar manner in both the Goguryeo and Turtle ship articles. The previous checkuser complaint also notes that neither editor left messages on eithers' talk page but yet remarkably the two editors were editing the same articles and sharing the work of cleaning up problematic image licenses.
I was not a party to your private communication overruling the checkuser result but I trust and defer to your judgment. However, it would make me, and I assume several other editors, more comfortable with this/these editor(s) if a reasonable explanation is adduced specifically addressing why both editors' edit gaps correlate so amazingly well (as shown in both the previous checkuser and recently), why both editors' substantial edits are on the same topics only, and why both editors' personal opinions are almost always the same. This is not the type of subject I want to spend my time but I did feel that if this is some kind of meat puppetry that something should be done to end this matter conclusively. I appreciate your help and time. Tortfeasor 06:45, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
I was ust wondering. Do you think you could change the s-rail template so that towards London it is "towards Baker Street and Aldgate" as the majority of trains terminate at Baker Street. However, there is stil about 2 tph going to Aldgate or something.
Separately, on the Amersham Branch, it should really only read "towards Amersham or Chesham" between Moor Park and Chalfont & Latimer. The other branch is the Watford Branch which is fine. Between Harrow-on-the-Hill and Moor Park it should read "towards Amersham, Chesham or Watford" on the main branch, obviously with "towards Uxbridge" on the other. Finally between Aldgate and Harrow-on-the-Hill it should read "towards Amersham, Chesham, Watford and Uxbridge". However, the layout of the termini etc should not change at Chalfont.
I hope i'm not confusing Simply south 08:40, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
I've just noticed that this is the conclusion you've come to, and I'm quite surprised. I doubt that there is anything that I can do about your decision, but I still feel the need to defend myself. It's true that I've engaged in edit warring, but rarely have I ever reverted without discussion (in fact using the talk pages to explain each of my edits is something I make a priority of), and rarely have I ever participated in a revert war that wasn't over edits that were quite clearly inappropriate. I believe that I've also been regarded by most other users as very reasonable, including by those that are on the opposing side, such as Firestar and Tomananda. It's rare that people rationally complain about my editing behavior. I also make a point of using the talk pages to discuss content without pushing my opinion about Falun Gong. And because of these things, I haven't felt any warning or threat that some action might be taken against me. I appologize for the fact that I haven't been following the arbitration case or participating in it. This is mostly because I was away from wikipedia for about two months, and only really came back after the pages were opened up to make some edits that I thought were rather straightforward. (I understand now that this was probably wrong and that I should have waited for the arbcom case to finish before making such content changes). Anyway, were I to know or have been warned that my editing behavior has been a problem I would change immediately; you don't need to put me on any kind of restricting parol to do that. I respect your position and understand that you've done your homework, but from my perspective this kind of decision without any warning seems like jumping the gun. Thanks for listening. Mcconn 16:54, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
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Note about this query in this section: This is more of a question seeking clarification from arbitrators / similar ranked persons on Wiki about Wiki rules rather than a complaint. I wanted to keep the query to the ArbCom decision talk page but if I can't get an answer there, please give me a reply either here on your talk page, or preferably, my talk page, thanks!
1. I notice that Samuel has been deemed incapable of promoting a viewpoint outside his activism and has an obvious conflict of interest in that sense, but don't Falun Gong practitioners also have a similar COI? Many of the pro-FGers did not even want to see a Criticism section. Now, they are only willing to see one that is heavily truncated and has been responded to by their Leader or Master. Isn't this an inconsistent application of the Conflict of Interest rule? (If not, pls explain)
2. Moreover, if users like Asdfg (pro-FG) are given a second chance and commended for turning over a new leaf and now appears to conform to Wiki rules, why shouldn't Tomananda be given that chance, and Samuel (who had 3, not 7 blocks btw, if overturned blocks are not to be counted)? I find it once again an inconsistent application of Wikipedia rules that anti-FGers must be banned yet pro-FGers have, at the very most, only been given a year's parole (except McConn). I also note with amusement that despite User:HappyInGeneral having declared a POV war previously on the FG discussion page, he can be found not to merit even a revert parole.
3. Arbitrator Fred Bauder also mentioned that the real flamers have not been sanctioned (e.g. User:Omido) so far so should this ArbCom decision be expanded to include these users? Or are arbitrators bound to only consider the users involved and mentioned in the ArbCom case?
4. I note from Fred Bauder that NPOV does not require excision of POV language. I accept that, but hope that he would expand on this point further, preferably by giving examples in this FG case. Moreover, if that edit I made was objectionable then does that mean Fire_Star's one (the version I reverted to) was also objectionable, or is it my edit in itself that was objectionable?
5. How exactly do we deal with unregistered users who vandalize Wikipedia + Wiki user pages? Note that there have been a series of anti-FG vandalism actions recently, which is curiously well-timed as they hardly existed before this ArbCom case, as well as the fact that there have only been numerous pro-FG vandalism actions before. See also the numerous times anti-FG and '3rd-party' users had their talk pages vandalized. So how do we prevent abuse of this, especially when banning IP addresses does little good to an organization that exploits the weaknesses of Wikipedia? (If you cannot answer this one, that is understandable, but if you have an answer that would be of great use)
Now just one suggestion:
1. Instead of revert parole-ing numerous users, how about simply revert parole-ing entire Wiki entries, namely the FG-related ones here? This would be the best way of preventing edit wars ESPECIALLY by unregistered users (or users exploiting this Wiki weakness), as has been supported by my relatively limited number of edits on the main Wiki FG-related entries (compare the edits I made + content I wrote on the pages' talk pages, compared to the actual entries themselves). Jsw663 19:48, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
I saw your vote on proposed principle no. 1 in the Zeq-Zero0000 case. As I've observed on the Workshop, a difficult issue is presented. I've taken a crack in the Workshop at some intermediate/compromise wording, which you might want to consider as you formulate your own ideas or proposal. Hope it's helpful in some way. Regards, Newyorkbrad 01:03, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that you've been putting succession boxes on stations inside station infoboxes. I'm personally of the opinion that this not only looks terrible, but also doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Was there consensus reached on TWP about this? I'd personally take them all out and put them in the body of the article itself. — lensovet– talk – 17:14, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
The issue as I see it with that arbcom request is not BLP but the constant overiding of discussion by a core group of users. What sparked the request was this, put simply. Afd 1, allegations of an improper close, DRV supports it, open afd 2, closed after 45 minutes as enough discussion on the subject, DRV 2 closes with improper close* again, AFD 3 runs well for four hours and consensus points to keep and then once again is closed citing enough discussion. I reopened the afd and it was again closed.
*I came into that at DRV 2 after some very annoyed people had posted to the administrators noticeboard. Carefully read that DRV, and the two previous afds then carefully weighed up all the arguments in the deletion review (ignoring content arguments apart from BLP - deletion review is about deletion policy, not another afd) decided that there was no consensus on the BLP issue, but there was strong consensus among those who bothered to argue deletion policy that closing a discussion after 45 minutes is ridiculous - especially after it was opened as a result of DRV. As someone pointed out, something sent to afd should never be speedy closed because there is quite obviously consensus not to. So i then opened the third afd. Which ran as best as I thought it could for about 4 hours and then got closed. I don't believe an RfC will work, considering the stifling of discussion that happened to lead this issue to an arbcom request, there are many of us who have no faith in it not happening again. As i see it, this is request is about the flagrant abuse of admin powers to stifle legitimate discussions. These afds were quite clearly closed against consensus, judging by the outcry of all those involved who obviously had their !votes ignored. This is also supported by the fact that when the third afd was closed, consensus at that point was quite clearly in keep territory. Despite this, it was still closed as "enough discussion" from the others.
For these reasons I urge you to reconsider the way the case has been presented. I don't blieve its largely BLP, I believe its a (to use a cliche) "admin abuse" case. All I want is a fair community discussion (afd) closed by an impartial admin. Thats what I was hoping to achieve with afd 3, but once again the communities voice was ridden rough shod over. Viridae Talk 22:52, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I just looked closely at the DRV you mentioned. I have to say that there is an almost equal run of votes from either side, that are just an afd in the wrong place. However similarly there are a number on either side that do argue deletion policy. That is a tough call, and personally I would not have closed it full stop. But as it was, it was closed, and a new afd was started and as such should have been allowed to continue longer than 45 minutes before it too was closed as a delete. That brings us to the start of my involvement, and I have to ask if you find any fault in my closure [51]. I was simply trying to resolve a touchy situation. I really think that stifling discussion like that seen in this issue of massive detriment to the community. It leads to massive distrust and divisions, as people have their opinions totally ignored. Viridae Talk 01:41, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
As a final note, I think the second question I would ask is why Matt Crypto ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) undid Drini's close with the summary "Let AfD run its course." when, of course, the AfD had already run eight days. I can only assume that he didn't read the debate before undeleting. I find it surprising as well that the initial arbitration request did not list him as a party, although he surely was, or Xoloz, whose role was perhaps more important than anyone else's in taking us through this process marathon. That said, I'm not persuaded that the committee should deal with this. If the committee does wind up taking the case, I've given you a good indication of the issues at hand, which ought to be useful regardless. Regards, Mackensen (talk) 02:21, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
I almost think it might be an idea to take this proposed arbitration, if only to establish that the Biographies of living persons policy has real teeth. But I think that much is already obvious to those who can read the policy, and in any case common human decency would have kept this execrable trash off the wiki even if that policy had not been written. -- Tony Sidaway 03:17, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi Mackensen. – Steel 12:03, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
I appreciate your recusal, I was just about to request it. Classy move on your part, seriously. Thank you. -- badlydrawnjeff talk 16:27, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi there Mackensen! I was composing my note to Mr. Raymond just as you were leaving your message, apparently. Apologies if my delayed response (I was taking some time to choose my diction appropriately) caused you any stress. Cheers gaillimh Conas tá tú? 02:17, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
I had not planned on returning to that channel in a long time anyways. Thank you for making sure I stay true to my promise. Zsinj Talk 12:12, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
I saw your reply to me here [52] all together too tiresome to become deeply involved with, at the moment but it did amuse me to see you say "Arbs privately" - Wouldn't it be fun to know who exactly on the Arb Mailing List was on IRC - I wonder? - and indeed as you say we have indeed " seen it all before" haven't we and what lessons have been learnt? - I think the common parlance is "Fuck all".
Anyhow, the reason I'm here is because I think you are the only person with the knowledge and authority to sort out the ghastly Kittybrewster business before it escalates out of all control . Giano 18:57, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
He didn't abuse any templates, and I'm on the phone with him right now. At least consider it.-- Kk rou ni 00:56, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure if this needs to go to arbitration or not. I've collaborated with him here (although not very often), and found he is trying to help the encyclopedia (albeit in his own way).
As regards Qian Zijun, maybe we should allow discussion of it on the talk page with a {{ Db-botnomainreviewed}} template, like on Talk:Gay Nigger Association of America, and that may make the situation a bit better.
However, even Internet memes are not exempt from biographies of living persons - as we all know with the Brian Peppers deletion review - and for this one, we definitely need reliable sources before an article can be re-written.
Allowing the use of a talkpage to discuss a new article may be one solution that could be used.
I'm really an outsider in this situation, but if I'm helping to try and resolve it, hopefully that would make things a bit better. -- SunStar Net talk 08:03, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Would you like to move discussion to this page? I don't see any reason to get demon needlessly worked up. jbolden1517 Talk 18:50, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi. Would like you to take a look at this – [53]. Thanks. — Nearly Headless Nick {C} 17:26, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi,
Since Ryu clears his talk page more actively then anybody I've met before, I wanted to make sure you'd caught my reply to you... (this is the whole thread, which you also might choose to remove, but it least then I'll know you've read it!)
Hi,
I just wanted to make sure that you intended to be discourteous, and it wasn't inadvertent! Now that I know you are really actively refusing to discuss the action you've taken, I'll evaluate any future disputes in that light. It's unfortunate, but some people make the choice to be the "strong, silent" type! Best wishes, Xoloz 22:30, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
When a DRV is disputed by anyone, a procedural nom. resolves the issue quickly -- since not every Wikipedian can be expected to patrol our process pages, to do otherwise might result in "renoms" from DRV delayed by days or weeks (this has happened when renoms are sometimes forgotten.) This opens us to red tape, and stupid endless discussions of procedure. Quick relisting is unambiguous, and chops the potential confusion in the bud. Because it is common sense, it will happen irrespective of any policy. Closers who know the problems that come to DRV daily will even use "pro forma" deletes to justify quick relistings, if you insist. I personally would rather such legalese didn't enter into our processes -- I them quick, plain and clear. I'm sure you'll agree, so I'll appreciate your kind indifference as the renominations continue. Best wishes, Xoloz 22:47, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
An affair in which you are involved is being discussed here. Bishonen | talk 10:09, 29 May 2007 (UTC).
Template:S-ptd has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — Waltham, The Duke of 14:04, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
You can see more about this here. The vote is not expected to be a thriller or anything; the Project only wishes to get rid of a redundant template.
Basically, I am afraid you should visit the Project's talk page more often; there are several issues that need to be dealt with. Right now it seems to be forgotten by almost all members of the Project.
Also, there is a working version of the /Guidelines subpage at User:The Duke of Waltham/SBS and any input, either a good idea or a simple comment, would be greatly appreciated.
Have a nice day.
Hello,
An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Badlydrawnjeff. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Badlydrawnjeff/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Badlydrawnjeff/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee,
David Mestel( Talk) 18:53, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi,
I wanted to learn more about why you thought the Template:Trivia thing was a content dispute - I viewed it as a policy dispute, where a template is overreaching policy, which I think needs to be discouraged. Thanks - Tempshill 17:05, 31 May 2007 (UTC)