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Heyo again!
I just want to have some response and opinion from you in regards to your revert in regards to M. Papirius Mugilanus and M. Papirius Atratinus for the consul of 411 BC.
While Livy has the name of M. Papirius Atratinus he is also known to have several instances where the names he provides for the consular tribunes of the 5th and 4th century BC does not agree with any other source, be they fasti or other ancient historians.
The List as provided by Wikipedia leads with the following statement: Unless otherwise indicated, the names and dates of the consuls between 509 and 81 BC are taken from Thomas Broughton's The Magistrates of the Roman Republic.
Thus my arguments are as follows: As Broughton and apparently Ogilvie on his commentary on Livy both are in agreement on Mugillanus as the consul of 411 over that of the cognomen of Atratinus, this seems to be a logical choice for Wikipedias list to follow. Additionally one should add that other sources, such as the Fasti Hydatius and that of the Chronograph of 354 list him as Mugillanus.
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What exactly was hard to understand about the move? And what was the benefit to completly deleting the gens article? And to merge the two article about the women into one same Wikipedia:FRANKENSTEIN page again? ★Trekker ( talk) 20:27, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
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Sorry for misreading your edit at Oclatinia (gens)—I confused Marcus Oclatinius Adventus and Titus Oclatius Severus as the same person. They still shouldn't be in boldface, IMO, since the article isn't about either of them, specifically, and the second occurrence isn't using "Oclatius" as a word when it cites Severus as an example, so it shouldn't be italicized there either, although cited by itself as a word is should be and is. I thought I owed it to you to explain why I reverted your edit—and why the reason I gave wasn't quite right, even though the result should be the same. I'm annoyed not to find any other Oclatini in the C-S databank, however. Do you have any theories about this? Do you suppose he could have been the only person with this nomen—a gens of one? Or is he merely the only member of an obscure family to come to light from known inscriptions? The number of inscriptions mentioning him make it seem improbable that "Oclatinius" is a mistake for the known "Oclatius". And as he doesn't seem to have any other names, it doesn't seem likely that it's a cognomen. ATM I'm continuing to suppose that it's an obscure gentilicium, and that others might come to light in the future, but I'm uneasy about that. P Aculeius ( talk) 14:57, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
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Hi, Llywrch! As you might have seen on the CGR talk page, there was some discussion about the name "Caepia" and whether it could be the feminine form of "Caepio", either as the surname of the Servilii Caepiones, or even more strangely, as a nomen gentilicium, for which I found some scanty and rather inconclusive evidence. In the course of trying to decide whether "Caepio" could be a nomen, or should be regarded as something else, such as a surname in a partial nomenclature omitting a familiar nomen, or perhaps even the result of errors, someone raised the example of Marcus Pedo Vergilianus as possible evidence that nomina could have a third-declension -o stem, and I said I didn't think that Pedo could be a nomen in this case.
I then realized that you and I had discussed this unfortunate consul before, but at that time I could not find his PW entry (it turns out to have been in supplement 15—I had to search most of the supplements before I found it, and didn't see 15–17 the first time because they were sorted under another file format). I summarized what it said about him being (probably) a Popilius in the discussion at CGR, but I'd like to know if you have any opinion on this—if we accept this assessment, I think it would be appropriate to move the article to that title; I'd be more comfortable with it there than at its present title, but I defer to your expertise. P Aculeius ( talk) 22:00, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
First of all, I'm glad I could be of help with regards to the Finnish archive. As for the subject matter, I could find the following:
Based on the unsatisfactory evidence, I lean towards keeping the title 'Marcus Pedo Vergilianus' as it is. Imho it's more likely that 'Vergilianus', being derived from 'Vergilius', is just really a cognomen, unlike (say) 'Norbanus' or 'Albinovanus', both of which are gentilicia and are not derived from any other nomen I know of. Names ending in -anus also generally seem to come last in the nomenclature, like Flavius Vespasianus and Flavius Domitianus (name followed by adjectival distinguisher), as well as the example of Popilius Pedo Apronianus provided above. Whether 'Pedo' is a gentilicium or not is anyone's guess. Avilich ( talk) 01:04, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
Having read all of this, I've come to the conclusion that Marcus Pedo Vergilianus probably should keeps its current name, but it needs a paragraph explaining that because "Pedo" is not otherwise attested as a gentilicum (although many gentilica are attested by single individuals), & Vergilianus is possibly a cognomen, various experts have suggested that another element in his name is missing, either the most suggested "Popilius" because 2 other consular Popilii share the cognomen "Pedo", or (as Syme suggests) it may be "Pompeius" based on the Senator Claudius is alleged to have executed, Pompeius Pedo. Does that make sense? (And if no one responds here, I'll copy this over to the other thread for input.) -- llywrch ( talk) 00:14, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
While Malalas is known to be sometimes unreliable about his dates, Bennett shows that if 13 December is not correct, it is close to the true date of the earthquake, & in any case Pedo Vergilianus was not in office at the time of his death. So I'll need to add this citation to the article. -- llywrch ( talk) 06:29, 25 February 2021 (UTC)In the reign of the most divine Trajan the great (city) of Antioch by Daphne suffered its third disaster (an earthquake) on the 13th day of the month Apellaios, i.e. December, on the first day, after the cock's crow, in the year called 164 according to the Antiochians, in the second year after the presence (in Antioch) of the most divine emperor Trajan on his way to the east. (Translated by Robert K. Sherk, The Roman Empire: Augustus to Hadrian)
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Hi Llywrch. I ask for your help with something. The source currently used for the consuls under Antoninus is Werner Eck, who places, with some reluctance, the suffecti C. Curtius Justus and P. Julius Nauto in 151 AD. Cooley on the other hand reluctantly prefers 150. There's this apparently newly-discovered inscription which names C. Curtius Justus as consul in c. December 150 with an obscure C(aio) Iulio Iuliano. One could presume that Justus held office with these both men as colleagues, but the German Wiki (which has an article on C. Julius Julianus) seems to suggest that Nauto may be entirely made up. Do you have access to sources or knowledge that could settle this issue? Thank you in advance. Avilich ( talk) 22:33, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
Hi Llywrch, I hope you don't mind if I interfere here, but there's an article about the 2 consuls by Roger S. O. Tomlin, John Pearce: A Roman Military Diploma for the German Fleet (19 November 150) Found in Northern Britain ZPE 206 (2018), pp 207–216, which on pp 214–216 assigns the 2 consuls to October and November 150. Unfortunately the article isn't online. Cheers -- Agentjoerg ( talk) 12:16, 25 March 2021 (UTC) PS According to Tomlin/Pearce Nauto is a misspelling of Julianus made by the scribe.
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Hi again Llywrch. I was wondering if you could help me with this rather complicated problem which has been lingering unresolved for awhile now. Some 5 years ago one editor, now retired, created a bunch of redirects titled Claudia Pulchra ([qualifier]) and a disambiguation page to list them all. After some research I concluded that this was all wrong, and that the only person of this name was the wife of Quinctilius Varus of the Teutoburg forest. The root problem is simple enough, but I can't seem to undo this mess using the regular Wikipedia procedures.
Back in December I tried taking the individual redirects to RfD, but the community was uncooperative and deletion proposal rejected. Some months later I tried deleting the disambiguation page, but this was likewise rejected because the redirects were still there and deleting the page would cause them to be orphaned. This put me in a bind: the disamb page was now dependent on the redirects, which in turn (due to the failure of the December proposal) could not be deleted by any licit means. I was tempted into breaking the rules a bit by assigning the redirects to a similar-enough ProD-ed page, but I was careless when concealing this act. There was some editwarring and unproductive discussion in the disambiguation article's talk page, and so I took this to ANI, but the board there was next to useless and the discussion automatically archived.
So now a bunch of people think I'm sloppy, disruptive or outright dishonest, either because of that one admittedly shifty maneuver, or because they think me bringing this to ANI was too extreme, or because I partook in an edit war, or because I did not show enough civility to other editors whose reading comprehension I found dismal. As a consequence, there is little else I can do on the matter other than repeat my previous arguments to disinterested parties whose goodwill is essentially gone. The problem on the whole still remains, however: I'm positively sure that only one Claudia Pulchra ever existed, but we still have disambiguation page and those redirects actively casting confusion on the matter. Until now, the sole rationale which the opposition provided for keeping either is that they might be useful to readers, which I find very questionable given all this trouble. As a last resort, I tried opening yet another RfD here (which I'd appreciate if you could comment on) but I'm not optimistic about its outcome.
I know firsthand that you're an assiduous and knowledgeable contributor to Wikipedia, and that your time is not best spent on petty disputes. But you're an administrator with much higher authority and experience than myself, you have a friendly disposition, and you're the only one I trust enough to handle something like this. I thank you for your attention. Avilich ( talk) 18:40, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
Hello, Llywrch since you are on top of the list, and looking for an image to enhance the article, I was hoping this image of the Locust Grove Church would be suitable. Thank you for your time. Lotje ( talk) 06:45, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
Hi Llywrch, since you are the main editor of the article Lucius Caesennius Sospes, I'd like to ask your help. I'm in the process of enhancing the article in the de.wp and I've come across some interesting deviations with regards to the opinions of historians. Bernard Rémy, for example, dates his governship from 111/112 until 113/114 as opposed to Syme.
But what I find really puzzling, is this section:
This was followed by Sospes serving as military tribune of the Legio XXII Primigenia which was stationed in Pannonia at the time; while serving as a junior officer in the legion, Sospes "received the decorations appropriate to a legate of praetorian rank, expedit(ione) Suebic(a) et Sarm(atica)." Syme explains he earned these dona militaria from actions in Domitian's campaigns in Pannonia around 92, in response to the Sarmatians and Suebi having invaded that province and destroying Legio XXI Rapax.
Now, all other sources, that I have available, state quite explicitly, that Sospes received the dona as Legatus legionis of Legio XIII Gemina and not as military tribune of Legio XXII Primigenia. My sources are:
Depuis toujours de nombreux savants ont pensé que Sospes avait commandé la légion XIII Gemina et gagné ses décorations lors de la guerre de 92, où les Sarmates Iazyges étaient entrés en Pannonie, province de garnison de la XIII Gemina.
Sospes had followed a fairly standard senatorial career until he was appointed as legatus legionis XIII geminae in which capacity he was awarded dona for his participation in an expeditio Suebica et Sarmatica by an unnamed emperor.
Returning to the position of Sospes of legatus legionis XIII Gemina and the discussions regarding expeditio Suebica et Sarmatica, we support the fact that the expedition is the one during Domitian’s reign, during which the character in question is granted the dona militaria.
If you still have access to the article of Syme, could you check, if Syme is quoted correctly, when stating, that Sospes served as military tribune in Legio XXII Primigenia, when the dona were awarded.
Many thanks in advance. Cheers -- Agentjoerg ( talk) 16:13, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
Hi Llywrch, I've enhanced the article in the de.wp, see https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucius_Caesennius_Sospes. On the talk page I've listed all the dates, that historians have brought up with regards to the career of Sospes, according to the sources at my hand, see https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diskussion:Lucius_Caesennius_Sospes. Once you've sent me the email, I will check out Syme and take his considerations into account. Cheers -- Agentjoerg ( talk) 02:57, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
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narcissistic bully, took exception to my replying to my framing my reply to him... as a reply to him, and continued to tell me to stop using talk:Eleison [3]. At what point does this become actionable? He seems to take warning about civility as a personal attack, and he refuses to actually engage with any arguments while posting long walls of text complaining about me.-- Ermenrich ( talk) 18:18, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
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I just want to have some response and opinion from you in regards to your revert in regards to M. Papirius Mugilanus and M. Papirius Atratinus for the consul of 411 BC.
While Livy has the name of M. Papirius Atratinus he is also known to have several instances where the names he provides for the consular tribunes of the 5th and 4th century BC does not agree with any other source, be they fasti or other ancient historians.
The List as provided by Wikipedia leads with the following statement: Unless otherwise indicated, the names and dates of the consuls between 509 and 81 BC are taken from Thomas Broughton's The Magistrates of the Roman Republic.
Thus my arguments are as follows: As Broughton and apparently Ogilvie on his commentary on Livy both are in agreement on Mugillanus as the consul of 411 over that of the cognomen of Atratinus, this seems to be a logical choice for Wikipedias list to follow. Additionally one should add that other sources, such as the Fasti Hydatius and that of the Chronograph of 354 list him as Mugillanus.
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What exactly was hard to understand about the move? And what was the benefit to completly deleting the gens article? And to merge the two article about the women into one same Wikipedia:FRANKENSTEIN page again? ★Trekker ( talk) 20:27, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
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Sorry for misreading your edit at Oclatinia (gens)—I confused Marcus Oclatinius Adventus and Titus Oclatius Severus as the same person. They still shouldn't be in boldface, IMO, since the article isn't about either of them, specifically, and the second occurrence isn't using "Oclatius" as a word when it cites Severus as an example, so it shouldn't be italicized there either, although cited by itself as a word is should be and is. I thought I owed it to you to explain why I reverted your edit—and why the reason I gave wasn't quite right, even though the result should be the same. I'm annoyed not to find any other Oclatini in the C-S databank, however. Do you have any theories about this? Do you suppose he could have been the only person with this nomen—a gens of one? Or is he merely the only member of an obscure family to come to light from known inscriptions? The number of inscriptions mentioning him make it seem improbable that "Oclatinius" is a mistake for the known "Oclatius". And as he doesn't seem to have any other names, it doesn't seem likely that it's a cognomen. ATM I'm continuing to suppose that it's an obscure gentilicium, and that others might come to light in the future, but I'm uneasy about that. P Aculeius ( talk) 14:57, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
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Hi, Llywrch! As you might have seen on the CGR talk page, there was some discussion about the name "Caepia" and whether it could be the feminine form of "Caepio", either as the surname of the Servilii Caepiones, or even more strangely, as a nomen gentilicium, for which I found some scanty and rather inconclusive evidence. In the course of trying to decide whether "Caepio" could be a nomen, or should be regarded as something else, such as a surname in a partial nomenclature omitting a familiar nomen, or perhaps even the result of errors, someone raised the example of Marcus Pedo Vergilianus as possible evidence that nomina could have a third-declension -o stem, and I said I didn't think that Pedo could be a nomen in this case.
I then realized that you and I had discussed this unfortunate consul before, but at that time I could not find his PW entry (it turns out to have been in supplement 15—I had to search most of the supplements before I found it, and didn't see 15–17 the first time because they were sorted under another file format). I summarized what it said about him being (probably) a Popilius in the discussion at CGR, but I'd like to know if you have any opinion on this—if we accept this assessment, I think it would be appropriate to move the article to that title; I'd be more comfortable with it there than at its present title, but I defer to your expertise. P Aculeius ( talk) 22:00, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
First of all, I'm glad I could be of help with regards to the Finnish archive. As for the subject matter, I could find the following:
Based on the unsatisfactory evidence, I lean towards keeping the title 'Marcus Pedo Vergilianus' as it is. Imho it's more likely that 'Vergilianus', being derived from 'Vergilius', is just really a cognomen, unlike (say) 'Norbanus' or 'Albinovanus', both of which are gentilicia and are not derived from any other nomen I know of. Names ending in -anus also generally seem to come last in the nomenclature, like Flavius Vespasianus and Flavius Domitianus (name followed by adjectival distinguisher), as well as the example of Popilius Pedo Apronianus provided above. Whether 'Pedo' is a gentilicium or not is anyone's guess. Avilich ( talk) 01:04, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
Having read all of this, I've come to the conclusion that Marcus Pedo Vergilianus probably should keeps its current name, but it needs a paragraph explaining that because "Pedo" is not otherwise attested as a gentilicum (although many gentilica are attested by single individuals), & Vergilianus is possibly a cognomen, various experts have suggested that another element in his name is missing, either the most suggested "Popilius" because 2 other consular Popilii share the cognomen "Pedo", or (as Syme suggests) it may be "Pompeius" based on the Senator Claudius is alleged to have executed, Pompeius Pedo. Does that make sense? (And if no one responds here, I'll copy this over to the other thread for input.) -- llywrch ( talk) 00:14, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
While Malalas is known to be sometimes unreliable about his dates, Bennett shows that if 13 December is not correct, it is close to the true date of the earthquake, & in any case Pedo Vergilianus was not in office at the time of his death. So I'll need to add this citation to the article. -- llywrch ( talk) 06:29, 25 February 2021 (UTC)In the reign of the most divine Trajan the great (city) of Antioch by Daphne suffered its third disaster (an earthquake) on the 13th day of the month Apellaios, i.e. December, on the first day, after the cock's crow, in the year called 164 according to the Antiochians, in the second year after the presence (in Antioch) of the most divine emperor Trajan on his way to the east. (Translated by Robert K. Sherk, The Roman Empire: Augustus to Hadrian)
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Hi Llywrch. I ask for your help with something. The source currently used for the consuls under Antoninus is Werner Eck, who places, with some reluctance, the suffecti C. Curtius Justus and P. Julius Nauto in 151 AD. Cooley on the other hand reluctantly prefers 150. There's this apparently newly-discovered inscription which names C. Curtius Justus as consul in c. December 150 with an obscure C(aio) Iulio Iuliano. One could presume that Justus held office with these both men as colleagues, but the German Wiki (which has an article on C. Julius Julianus) seems to suggest that Nauto may be entirely made up. Do you have access to sources or knowledge that could settle this issue? Thank you in advance. Avilich ( talk) 22:33, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
Hi Llywrch, I hope you don't mind if I interfere here, but there's an article about the 2 consuls by Roger S. O. Tomlin, John Pearce: A Roman Military Diploma for the German Fleet (19 November 150) Found in Northern Britain ZPE 206 (2018), pp 207–216, which on pp 214–216 assigns the 2 consuls to October and November 150. Unfortunately the article isn't online. Cheers -- Agentjoerg ( talk) 12:16, 25 March 2021 (UTC) PS According to Tomlin/Pearce Nauto is a misspelling of Julianus made by the scribe.
Hi Llywrch, I just wanted to let you know that the PDF you mentioned at the peer review for Mynors is stupendous. I wish I had had it when I wrote the core of this article! Thank you very much; I'm sure it will improve the article a lot. Best, Modussiccandi ( talk) 23:48, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
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Hi! I am not here to nag, I just wanted to let you know I now have a second article up for review, and am overwhelmed with a project in my real life that I am lead on, but I promise I will keep up with whatever you give me to do just as quickly as is humanly possible - even if I have to stay up all night to do it. :-) I am so grateful to you for being willing to do this review. I hope you found this article as interesting to read as I found researching it. Hope you are well, see you again soon I hope. Jenhawk777 ( talk) 03:21, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
Hi again Llywrch. I was wondering if you could help me with this rather complicated problem which has been lingering unresolved for awhile now. Some 5 years ago one editor, now retired, created a bunch of redirects titled Claudia Pulchra ([qualifier]) and a disambiguation page to list them all. After some research I concluded that this was all wrong, and that the only person of this name was the wife of Quinctilius Varus of the Teutoburg forest. The root problem is simple enough, but I can't seem to undo this mess using the regular Wikipedia procedures.
Back in December I tried taking the individual redirects to RfD, but the community was uncooperative and deletion proposal rejected. Some months later I tried deleting the disambiguation page, but this was likewise rejected because the redirects were still there and deleting the page would cause them to be orphaned. This put me in a bind: the disamb page was now dependent on the redirects, which in turn (due to the failure of the December proposal) could not be deleted by any licit means. I was tempted into breaking the rules a bit by assigning the redirects to a similar-enough ProD-ed page, but I was careless when concealing this act. There was some editwarring and unproductive discussion in the disambiguation article's talk page, and so I took this to ANI, but the board there was next to useless and the discussion automatically archived.
So now a bunch of people think I'm sloppy, disruptive or outright dishonest, either because of that one admittedly shifty maneuver, or because they think me bringing this to ANI was too extreme, or because I partook in an edit war, or because I did not show enough civility to other editors whose reading comprehension I found dismal. As a consequence, there is little else I can do on the matter other than repeat my previous arguments to disinterested parties whose goodwill is essentially gone. The problem on the whole still remains, however: I'm positively sure that only one Claudia Pulchra ever existed, but we still have disambiguation page and those redirects actively casting confusion on the matter. Until now, the sole rationale which the opposition provided for keeping either is that they might be useful to readers, which I find very questionable given all this trouble. As a last resort, I tried opening yet another RfD here (which I'd appreciate if you could comment on) but I'm not optimistic about its outcome.
I know firsthand that you're an assiduous and knowledgeable contributor to Wikipedia, and that your time is not best spent on petty disputes. But you're an administrator with much higher authority and experience than myself, you have a friendly disposition, and you're the only one I trust enough to handle something like this. I thank you for your attention. Avilich ( talk) 18:40, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
Hello, Llywrch since you are on top of the list, and looking for an image to enhance the article, I was hoping this image of the Locust Grove Church would be suitable. Thank you for your time. Lotje ( talk) 06:45, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
Hi Llywrch, since you are the main editor of the article Lucius Caesennius Sospes, I'd like to ask your help. I'm in the process of enhancing the article in the de.wp and I've come across some interesting deviations with regards to the opinions of historians. Bernard Rémy, for example, dates his governship from 111/112 until 113/114 as opposed to Syme.
But what I find really puzzling, is this section:
This was followed by Sospes serving as military tribune of the Legio XXII Primigenia which was stationed in Pannonia at the time; while serving as a junior officer in the legion, Sospes "received the decorations appropriate to a legate of praetorian rank, expedit(ione) Suebic(a) et Sarm(atica)." Syme explains he earned these dona militaria from actions in Domitian's campaigns in Pannonia around 92, in response to the Sarmatians and Suebi having invaded that province and destroying Legio XXI Rapax.
Now, all other sources, that I have available, state quite explicitly, that Sospes received the dona as Legatus legionis of Legio XIII Gemina and not as military tribune of Legio XXII Primigenia. My sources are:
Depuis toujours de nombreux savants ont pensé que Sospes avait commandé la légion XIII Gemina et gagné ses décorations lors de la guerre de 92, où les Sarmates Iazyges étaient entrés en Pannonie, province de garnison de la XIII Gemina.
Sospes had followed a fairly standard senatorial career until he was appointed as legatus legionis XIII geminae in which capacity he was awarded dona for his participation in an expeditio Suebica et Sarmatica by an unnamed emperor.
Returning to the position of Sospes of legatus legionis XIII Gemina and the discussions regarding expeditio Suebica et Sarmatica, we support the fact that the expedition is the one during Domitian’s reign, during which the character in question is granted the dona militaria.
If you still have access to the article of Syme, could you check, if Syme is quoted correctly, when stating, that Sospes served as military tribune in Legio XXII Primigenia, when the dona were awarded.
Many thanks in advance. Cheers -- Agentjoerg ( talk) 16:13, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
Hi Llywrch, I've enhanced the article in the de.wp, see https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucius_Caesennius_Sospes. On the talk page I've listed all the dates, that historians have brought up with regards to the career of Sospes, according to the sources at my hand, see https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diskussion:Lucius_Caesennius_Sospes. Once you've sent me the email, I will check out Syme and take his considerations into account. Cheers -- Agentjoerg ( talk) 02:57, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
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