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Why did you revert my second edit which was NOT in the lede it was in the history section. The section mentions Nero and some others from early history the person to sign the first same sex marriage legalization merits inclusion. Rote1234 ( talk) 19:28, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
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Came across Lianzhou language. Could do with a review and some better categories. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 20:02, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
Hi, I believe your last edits to Template:Infobox language may be responsible for 200+ articles appearing in CAT:MISSFILE. It appears to be an issue with the map2 image. It's late and I haven't looked deeper but thought I'd mention before signing off before anyone starts fixing by just removing the images. Cheers KylieTastic ( talk) 22:59, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
Well, IUPAC usage is indeed aluminium, but it is also caesium, for what that's worth. And etymologically speaking, the oxide is alumina, so the metal should be aluminum (just like ceria → cerium, but lanthana → lanthanum). :) Double sharp ( talk) 13:42, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
Anyway, there's not only variation in English for element names. The German de:Liste der chemischen Elemente always surprises me a little bit because it is closer to the Latin forms – I myself remember learning it with k and z for c often, e.g. Silizium, Kalzium, Zäsium, Aktinium, Wismut, Jod (but on de.wp it is given as Silicium, Calcium, Caesium, Actinium, Bismut, Iod). Personally I fail to see the point, as in Spanish one still writes escandio, in Italian afnio, in Polish ren and iryd, in Turkish tulyum, and it does not seem to cause undue confusion. And that's not even getting into reasonably common languages for chemical scholarship that use different scripts altogether (Russian, Chinese, Japanese spring to mind). But well, it is not my native language or even the language I write chemistry stuff in, and thus not really my business to give an opinion, just my business to describe. :)
Something interesting I found on the chemical elements in East Asian languages page is the recent reforms for Korean (e.g. using Koreanisations of sodium and potassium since 2014, rather than natrium and kalium). Like I said, when I have time, I'll do some research. :)
P.S. vi.wp has yterbi for ytterbium, but en.wikt has ytecbi. Probably another matter of how much to Vietnamise foreign names and words (e.g. Einstein vs Anhxtanh), but I guess the en.wikt list should be checked. Double sharp ( talk) 08:17, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
Hi, Kwami,
if you have time, you could take a quick look at this in case you spot any errors. KR, -- Davius ( talk) 17:05, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
Other than a calculation (though I guess one could plead
WP:CALC on it), because right now
Planet#21st century still says objects that fulfill the orbital zone clearance requirement automatically fulfill the roundness requirement
and that annoys me because it's not going to be true for red dwarfs. :)
Double sharp (
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@ Kwamikagami Please can you create these car manufacturer articles on Boarisch Wiki since you understand this language as far as I have seen:
I am a car fanatic and these important car manufacturers are missing on this Wiki. You can create them with short content, how you seek it reasonable. Thank you for your time 188.172.109.247 ( talk) 07:30, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
@ Kwamikagami If you have a friend on Bavarian Wiki who understand this language, would you ask him to create. Only these articles which are trending now. Please do this favor for me! HELGAPRV ( talk) 07:39, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
@ Kwamikagami Would you ask someone else please? 188.172.109.37 ( talk) 15:03, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
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Hi, five new boulders on asteroid Dimorphos were recently named after drums. Can you add these in with their etymology? Thanks. Nrco0e ( talk) 23:21, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
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[start of thread, copied from Serendipodous's talk page] 'Pluto' was one of the top 3 proposed names. Yes, Burney proposed it. So did a lot of other people. I don't remember the source that said that crediting her was mostly optics, but we do have a source that she was the first "outside of the Lowell staff". And that's from Tombaugh himself. — kwami ( talk) 20:16, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
Leaving aside the fact that that's unsourced, one guy's recollection from decades prior is not necessarily a reliable record. It may have been optics, but that would require a citation. Serendi pod ous 21:10, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
Wouldn't help for Miranda or Umbriel, but you can use this form at the MPC for the irregulars. That said, one decimal place is already too much precision: this year, Nereid will vary from 19.1 to 19.4. Double sharp ( talk) 18:15, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
I wondered the last time I saw it and now wonder again: what's the story behind the very phonetically normal sentence for F? Double sharp ( talk) 15:53, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
I just wanted to highlight what seemingly in 15 years no one has seen -- there is an error in your comparison PNG ( /info/en/?search=Canadian_Aboriginal_syllabics#/media/File:Nagari-syllabics.png). the glyph derived from devagari "na" is, in the displayed orientation, not "ne" but "ni". i did not dare to touch the file, so i just came by to inform you. Hyperbaton ( talk) 08:37, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi, I don't understand your reverts on List of languages by number of native speakers, Levantine Arabic, Kabyle language, and Bulgarian language.
You wrote "not a valid link" but what is "not valid" with this page? The page says: "Table 3 lists the largest languages of the world in descending order of population of first-language speakers." and later we have the full table ("Table 3. Languages with at least 50 million first-language speakers") a455bcd9 (Antoine) ( talk) 12:51, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
On ne dispose pas de statistiques sûres pour évaluer le nombre des berbérophones : les estimations vont de treize à trente millions ; un total de vingt ou vingt-cinq millions paraît admissible) and Chaker 2022 (
En l’absence de statistiques linguistiques fiables, on peut estimer l’ensemble des Berbérophones entre vingt et vingt-cinq millions de personnes, dont la très grande majorité se situe en Algérie (20 à 25 % de la population) et au Maroc (30 à 35 % de la population).) to give the current best guesstimate and the breakdown by country. For the diaspora I think Ethnologue is reliable and sourced. a455bcd9 (Antoine) ( talk) 12:15, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
If Southern Oceanic was only proposed in 2002, how can Lynch (1995) already have a list for it? -- Florian Blaschke ( talk) 01:09, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
You just edited 20 articles — among them Berbers, Persians, and Samaritans — to remove the above category marker. In a way, I understand this: the category is described as "Peoples of the ancient world (i.e. prior to AD 476)", in line with the definition of the adjective "ancient" as "of or relating to the historical period beginning with the earliest known civilizations and extending to the fall of the western Roman Empire in a.d. 476": these are peoples who have continued to exist after that year, and exist today. But the thing is, when we are discussing "ancient times" by that definition, we can discuss those peoples, in a way we cannot discuss, for instance, Cossacks (whose earliest suggested distinct or named existence is the 10th century) or Sikhs (whose distinct existence began in the 15th century) — or, for that matter, Americans (as distinct from Native Americans). In other words, some "ancient peoples" still exist, while some other peoples now existing are not "ancient"; it's a meaningful and useful distinction. (A meaningful and useful word for peoples who existed in ancient times but not thereafter might be "extinct". If you want to separate these from the ones you just edited, you might create and use for them the tag "Category: ancient and extinct peoples". THAT would not fit Berbers, Persians, Samaritans, etc.)
By parallel, the term " old person" does not refer exclusively to dead people.
If somewhere there is discussion and consensus supporting your edits, please tell me where. If not, please revert them yourself. Otherwise I'll have to, and I dislike such opposition among editors of good will. – •Raven .talk 15:46, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
For Nubians, we have a problem. Modern Nubians are only attested back to the 8th century. But our article includes people who previously lived in the area and who may or may not be related. We should probably split off Ancient Nubians. — kwami ( talk) 22:13, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
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Thanks for your tireless editing and ability to recognize the nuance most miss, do not understand, or fail to research regarding parliamentary law vis-à-vis a supreme court’s jurisdiction specially regarding Nepal Quaerens-veritatem ( talk) 06:10, 24 March 2023 (UTC) |
Apologies for requesting this. Could you update the picture on Public opinion of same-sex marriage in the United States? (I saw that you were the last person to edit the image)
I tried to do it myself. But I'm not entirely sure how to change the picture and couldn't get it to work. (I've never edited images on Wikimedia before.)
The 2022 American Values Atlas by Public Religion Research Institute has just been released. (See here for dataset.)
Regards, KlayCax ( talk) 09:17, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
Recently, the deprecated source Breitbart released an exclusive survey from the well-respected pollster Meganalisis (which has been considered a reliable source and is quoted on a multitude of Wikipedia articles) on their website... surrounding the opinions of Venezuelans on same-sex marriage and abortion access and I'm uncertain about how I should proceed in this. It appears that these sorts of exclusives between them and Breitbart are becoming a regular thing. (I'm not entirely fluent in Spanish; I'm not sure what the protocol here is. Generally, I'd state that Breitbart links are inherently unreliable and should never be used per consensus. But the pollster who provided the data is considered to be a reliable source from my understanding, is frequently quoted for data on Venezuela on here, and is frequently cited.
Is there a general agreement on what to do in situations like this?
If a reliable source starts posting information on a deprecated source. What are editors supposed to do?
I was going to update the global poll template on same-sex marriage for Venezuela. But I'm not sure now. KlayCax ( talk) 01:24, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion that may interest you.
Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Disallowing use of the ʻokina in Chinese romanized article titles proposes that the
ʻokina gennerally be prohibited from article titles derived from Chinese whenever it does not adhere to the English Wikipedia policy to
use commonly recognizable names. Plese join the discussion. Thank you.
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You just edited Sitting Bull to remove a syllable-break character from the IPA rendering of his Lakota name: [i.jɔtakɛ] → [ijɔtakɛ]. Removing the pause between a vowel and a Y-glide tends to elide them into a single syllable, when they belong in separate syllables. Removing the pause in "Bye, you kid!" would sound like "Bayou Kid!", etc. I've reverted that edit. – •Raven .talk 08:25, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
I'm sure you're well-meaning, but some people on Wikipedia vehemently insist on enforcing Peter Daniels' recent narrow constricted neologistic redefinition of the word "alphabet", which I really don't think is a good idea. If the "Hebrew alphabet" and "Arabic alphabet" articles are not going to change their titles, then it's rather pointless to go around changing the titles of articles on lesser-known writing systems... AnonMoos ( talk) 18:11, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
Hello,
I am sending you this message to let you know you are wrong with your last edition in the articule " Spanish language". Spanish is official in Peru, Paraguay and Bolivia. I am from Peru, and I can say that without any doubt. Please, I will ask you to refrain from deleting the edition that shows the map correctly. You do not have, nor will you ever have proof that the Spanish language is coofficial in those countries, because it is not. I recommend you to check the political constitution of those countries so that you can inform yourself a little more. I have uploaded again my image with the updated map, if you want to improve it, you have the doors open. But I am going to ask you not to revert the edition because you would be putting incorrect information again. Best regards LordEdurod97 ( talk) 03:26, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
The image you substituted has big blank margins. That may be suitable for a userbox, but not so much for an image thumbnail in an article... AnonMoos ( talk) 18:54, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
Hello, I'm
.Raven. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, it's important to be mindful of the feelings of your fellow editors, who may be frustrated by certain types of interaction, such as your addition to
WT:NCWS. While you probably didn't intend any offense, please do remember that Wikipedia strives to be an inclusive atmosphere. In light of that, it would be greatly appreciated if you could moderate yourself so as not to offend. Unfounded accusations of "playing stupid" violate
WP:NPA, a Wikipedia policy. Unfounded accusations of "bad faith" violate
WP:AGF, a fundamental principle on Wikipedia –
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from N'Ko script, in this case falsely commenting "rv. troll", as
earlier on that article you did likewise commenting "rv: this is an ongoing discussion -- wait for the result" (when the only ongoing discussion was a page move request, not pertaining to article text). That's two blankings of content under false premises. Is it "trolling" to even wikilink "West Africa" (one of your removals), for goodness's sake? –
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[edit conflict prevented my adding:] ... and now I see you have double-reverted on the same day. Careful, what was that about 3RR?
... and now I see you're templating me with a level-2 3RR. You don't live by the rules you cite; nor by
WP:DTTR. –
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About the pronunciation of "Portola" and what I thought was a Schwa "ə" with an unexpected vowel sound. I just looked at the pronunciation guide and have realized that I was wrong about it being a Schwa. The "ə" does correctly characterize the correction pronunciation of the ending "a". Sorry for my stupid uninformed mistake.
Thank you for your diligence. Osomite 🐻 (hablemos) 21:13, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
It helps to provide
diffs and evidence when on AN/I. When you say a discussion happened at
WT:NCWS, then
link to it. When you
state,
Raven
has
made
7
duplicate
(I tend to avoid making characterizations like bad faith except on conduct boards) then link to each diff to let people see them.and apparently bad-faith
move
requests
Personally, I don't know the difference between a script and an alphabet, but I do know when I see
someone pull a bait-and-switch. Unless you demonstrate that's what has been happening with your dispute with .Raven, then no one is going to see your side at AN/I. That only happens with
diffs and evidence.
Also, just don't edit war; you know better. –
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User:Nestofbirdnests is still popping back and harassing me and others’ edits. This time as the name “Brett Rivera”. Block him please. Thanks Fdom5997 ( talk) 04:04, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
Yes I think that's a definite improvement, thanks for adding the interactive element as well. Bob talk 14:21, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
Here's a font containing Moskowitz' moon symbols (Jovians in lowercase). Naturally, that involves using U+2BD5 as Charon. Also includes another variant of Orcus' OR-symbol.
Speaking of the Galileans: these are not quite the same as Moskowitz' versions, but the same idea of combining the Jupiter symbol with Greek initialisms. Double sharp ( talk) 19:47, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
Remember User talk:Kwamikagami/Archive 30#Chinese names for the asteroids?
I spent some time today procrastinating by researching this again. :) It seems that the massive calquing effort is really old. It started back in the Qing dynasty in fact. The idea started from the Wylie and Li Shanlan translation 谈天 of John Herschel's Outlines of Astronomy. ( Here you can see a low-resolution scan of the page giving the names of asteroids 1 to 51.) It was first published in 1859 and updated in 1871. In the present astronomical dictionaries they are cited up till 117 Lomia. (With that said, on Chinese Wikipedia they extend beyond that, finally running out at 159 Aemilia, discovered in 1876. And this article says the last edition of 谈天 only went up to 116, though that might be a typo since Lomia was the last minor planet of 1871.) That said, these seem to not always equal the names used today. And some are actually mistranslations e.g. Massalia.
This article lists Li Shanlan's 1870s names for the first thirteen, that were discovered up to 1850 (which are, based on the excerpted scan in the first article, not quite the same as what appeared in the 谈天). These names remain the standard. In a manner of speaking at least: I have never seen anybody actually use the name for Egeria outside a list of asteroid names, for instance. I give glosses and list them explicitly because I think they're really clever. Not sure what article could accommodate this, but it seems we might eventually like a parallel to Chemical elements in East Asian languages for asteroid naming.
The dictionary continues past that, e.g.:
Unfortunately, given the number of nymphs in classical mythology that became the namesakes of asteroids, the clever translations don't quite work so well anymore (Egeria's name could equally fit Thetis, but Egeria came first).
Just as well, I don't know how one could continue it when the names stopped being mythological in any way. The translations have mostly stopped since then, except for the dwarfs (though Sedna is a transliteration and both transliteration and translation are listed for Quaoar). 2060 Chiron is just transliterated. On the other hand 433 Eros is translated indeed: 爱神星.
P.S. What do you think of 浪人星 for 944 Hidalgo? :D Double sharp ( talk) 20:16, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
P.P.S. Example of actual usage: 肉眼看不到海王星,因为它的亮度比木星的伽利略卫星,矮行星,谷神星和小行星,灶神星,智神星,虹神星,婚神星和韶神星都暗。"The naked eye cannot see Neptune, because it is fainter than Jupiter's Ganymede, the dwarf planet Ceres, and the asteroids Vesta, Pallas, Iris, Juno, and Hebe." Double sharp ( talk) 20:39, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
I created them on en.wiktionary all the way up to (57), before finding that (58) had been deleted for insufficient verification outside the lists. Oops. Well, I guess the first edition of 谈天 did stop at (51). Double sharp ( talk) 15:32, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
Regarding (25) Phocaea 福后星, it doesn't make sense as a translation of the meaning, but do you think it might be meant to match the sound? Double sharp ( talk) 19:38, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
As for the other Sinosphere languages: Japanese Wikipedia uses ケレス or セレス for Ceres, and marks 穀神星 as Chinese-only. I can't read Korean at all, but Google Translate suggests that it doesn't use the calque either.
Vietnamese Wikipedia includes the expected sao Cốc Thần as an alternative name for Ceres in the lead, but no such thing appears for any other asteroid. It lists Táo Thần Tinh for Vesta as a Chinese name. For Pallas, the sole attestation I have is one textbook from Vietnam Education Publishing House (which also gives Ceres, Juno, Vesta):
Đêm ngày 1 tháng 1 năm 1801, cuối cùng hành tinh "trốn" này cũng đã bị nhà thiên văn ý là Piazzi "tóm" được. Người ta đã đặt tên cho hành tinh này là sao Cốc Thần (Ceres).
Hành tinh mới được phát hiện trong kỳ vọng làm cho các nhà thiên văn vừa phấn khởi lại vừa cảm thấy thất vọng. Bởi vì hành tinh này nhỏ đến kỳ lạ, đường kính chỉ có 770 km chưa đến 1/4 đường kính của Mặt Trăng. Nó chỉ được xem là một hành tinh rất nhỏ - tiểu hành tinh.
Khoảng 1 năm trôi qua, năm 1802 bác sĩ Aupos nhà thiên văn nghiệp dư người Đức lại phát hiện tiểu hành tinh thứ 2 - sao Trí Thần (Pallas). Sao này còn nhỏ hơn cả Cốc Thần, đường kính của nó chưa đến 500 km.
Sự phát hiện sao Trí Thần khiến cho các nhà thiên văn cảm thấy rất kinh ngạc, vì ban đầu họ muốn tìm thấy một hành tinh, nhưng nay lại tìm thấy một cặp. Như vậy còn có ngôi sao thứ 3, thứ 4 nữa không?
Sự thực đúng như mọi người dự đoán, năm 1804 tức là 2 năm sau người ta lại phát hiện tiểu hành tinh thứ 3 - sao Hôn thần (Juno). Năm 1807 lại phát hiện tiểu hành tinh thứ 4 - sao Táo Thần (Vesta). Về sau lại phát hiện tiểu hành tinh thứ 5, thứ 6...
Not sure if it's worth mentioning despite one admittedly officially published textbook, since in practice Vietnamese Wikipedia uses the English names. (BTW, this is probably pre-2006, because it still calls Pluto a planet, in the process using sao Cốc thần again to note that Pluto is larger than Ceres: Mặc dù Diêm Vương Tinh trong quá khứ có phải là vệ tinh của Hải Vương Tinh hay không thì hiện nay nó vẫn đang quay quanh Mặt Trời, điều đó khẳng định nó là một hành tinh. Vì khối lượng của nó nhỏ hơn rất nhiều so với các đại hành tinh khác, có những nhà thiên văn muốn quy nó về tiểu hành tinh, nhưng đường kính của sao Cốc thần là tiểu hành tinh lớn nhất vẫn chưa đến 1000 km cho nên còn nhỏ hơn rất nhiều so với Diêm Vương Tinh, do đó đa số các nhà thiên văn vẫn thừa nhận Diêm Vương Tinh nên quy về đại hành tinh của hệ Mặt Trời.
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The Zhuang names for the eight major planets are pretty much equivalent to the Chinese ones:
Added the missing ones to Wiktionary. Double sharp ( talk) 13:32, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
They rather refer to themselves as "Han who speak the Zhuang language.", which suggests that they were then aware of their linguistic distinctiveness but did not consider that to mean ethnic distinctiveness. Then again it's not clear from that quote if that means they thought they were speaking a different language altogether or just another dialect. Double sharp ( talk) 13:43, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
The early history of Zhuang writing is poorly understood, as is the early history of the role of Literary Sinitic in Zhuang society. While demographic and political history suggest that Chinese writing played an administrative role in Zhuang areas from about 2,000 years ago, as in northern Vietnam and northern Korea, there is almost no direct evidence bearing on the introduction of Chinese writing. (See Lù (2002: 184–187), for an argument that writing was introduced during the time of the Nán Yuè 南越 kingdom in the early 2nd century BCE under Zhào Tuó 趙佗. For more on Nán Yuè, see Chapter 4.) To what extent, if any, Zhuang speakers participated in the Sinographic cosmopolis is unclear. While a substantial number of speakers of Zhuang must have learned Chinese and learned Literary Sinitic, there is little historical suggestion that the Zhuang area of Southwest China played any cultural or intellectual role within the broader Sinographic cosmopolis, or that Zhuang speakers contributed to the cultural sphere that communicated through Literary Sinitic. There is no evidence of anything like a glossing tradition, of the type seen in Japan and Korea, that facilitated the reading of Literary Sinitic texts aloud in spoken Zhuang. For this reason we will treat this area as part of the Sinographosphere, but not necessarily part of the Sinographic cosmopolis.Though I guess absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Gonggong is left unnamed in ja.wp, but is as expected named 공공 in ko.wp and Cung Công in vi.wp. Double sharp ( talk) 13:52, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
Hi User:Kwamikagami! Recently the Supreme Court of Namibia recognized same-sex marriages conducted in other countries. Can you please update the File:African homosexuality laws.svg map? It would be striped. I think it would either be purple or green. Homosexuality has not been decriminalized yet. [1]
Thank you!
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Come to think of it, if geology is held as the main thing behind planethood (for geoscientists), then aren't Pallas and Vesta better candidates following the spirit of the definition than Hygiea? Sure Hygiea has the right shape, but unless I mistake what is meant by gravitational reaccumulation of the pieces, it seems like Pallas and Vesta are mostly intact in the form they underwent differentiation in, whereas Hygiea got totally disrupted and is now a reaccumulation of the debris. Judging from the similar case of Euphrosyne, that's enough to cause nice sphericity, but it's sphericity that might not have much to do with HE (Euphrosyne being too spherical for its current spin). Would such a reaccumulation end up with significant geological processes happening anymore? Certainly it sounds like all the differentiation would've been undone. That said, still waiting for our Psyche article to be obsolete.
(Interamnia also looks kind of lumpy to me, judging from the infobox picture.)
The motivation being: I'm kind of annoyed that I can't logically put Pallas and Vesta in List of planemos, even though at least Vesta is commonly called the smallest terrestrial planet, and they would both be good examples of terrestrial dwarfs if one ignored the family-forming craters. Though depending on what we see, in some years we might find a good case for Psyche. (And what to make of Saturn IX Phoebe? Maybe I should leave well enough alone after all.) Double sharp ( talk) 16:48, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
BTW, do we have a list of asteroids by surface gravity anywhere? I imagine it must be topped by Ceres, Pallas, and Vesta as the only ones above 0.02g, but given that Psyche seems to beat Hygiea because of density, it's not too clear what would follow. Double sharp ( talk) 22:40, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
I wonder if Proteus might have been an ex-planemo like Pallas or Vesta. Double sharp ( talk) 15:54, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
Could I check what the source for them is? (The ones from Chaos on up are mentioned in the Unicode DP proposal, but not these.) Double sharp ( talk) 16:03, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
P.S. Re Parthenope, my impression from what I searched out some days ago was that the fish-and-star symbol was the only one used when asteroid symbols were still a live usage in research, rather than a holdover being repeated in a few textbooks and dictionaries. Double sharp ( talk) 16:22, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
Depuis longtemps nous proposons comme plus simple, de suivre pour les petites planètes de ce groupe la méthode employée par Bayer, pour désigner individuellement les diverses étoiles d'une même constellation. On les désignerait par les lettres de l'alphabet grec, alpha, bêta, gamma, etc., les mêmes qui servent dans Homère à numéroter les chants de l'Iliade et de l'Odyssée. Dans cette notation, la planète Cérès découverte la première a pour signe la lettre α, Vesta est représentée par la lettre δ qui est la quatrième de l'alphabet. La seizième planète découverte il y a quelques semaines le serait par la lettre π, qui est la seizième lettre grecque; enfin, la dix-septième et dernière, celle de M. R. Luther, le serait par la lettre ρ. Cette classification alphabétique dispenserait de tout autre nom ou de toute autre désignation. Une fois l'alphabet épuisé, on reprendrait comme d'usage les mêmes lettres avec les numéros deux, trois, etc.: ainsi la quarante-huitième planète sera oméga deux, ω2, et la centième delta cinq, δ5. Avec les instruments actuels, et d'après l'éclat des nouvelles planètes, on peut présumer qu'on atteindra trente ou quarante de ces petits astres; mais si l'on employait les grands réfracteurs de quatorze pouces de Poulkova, de Cambridge, Amérique, ou de l'Observatoire de Paris, ou bien les télescopes de M. Lassell ou de lord Rosse, on ne pourrait plus assigner aucune limite au nombre visible des petits corps planétaires qui foisonnent entre Mars et Jupiter.Unfortunately I can't find where he previously proposed it. Double sharp ( talk) 16:56, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
Hello, @ Kwamikagami! Just here to inform you that I have found that some of your Formosan map files contain a misspelling of "Puyuma" as "Puyama". Namely, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Formosan_languages_2005.png and https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Formosan_languages.png. I once fixed a similar issue from another user that had the same map but this time I decided to just message you instead because I'm not sure I can do it properly again. I'm not very familiar with all of Wiki's software. Have a great day! Rvat2003 ( talk) 18:05, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
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Please stop changing the phonetic symbols (specifically ones with diacritics) to symbols which are not even *conveniently* displayable. Most newcomers to the IPA, are unaware of the fonts that they can download, and it’s a bit of an inconvenience for them as well. The sound symbols with diacritics (that I put out) are much more universal than the proprietary symbols that you’ve displayed across the language pages. Fdom5997 ( talk) 01:39, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
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I woke up this morning to find myself blocked. I have been blocked because I refused to promise not to use the word 'nonsense' in the future when referring to another editor's edits. This supposedly constitutes a personal attack. There was evidently supposed to be some sort of agreement, that another editor would agree not to edit-war any more, and in exchange I would agree not to call their nonsense 'nonsense'. My words were part of a consensus that that editor's claims were nonsense, a consensus that they adamantly refused to understand. For example, their own refs prove them wrong, yet they insist that we accept their claims. Rather than defend myself directly, I'll quote responses to my block, mostly from experienced editors (e.g. Tenryuu, VanIsaac and Abecedare have all been here since 2006, Star Mississippi since 2007 and AndyTheGrump since 2010.) Seven editors -- unprompted -- have stated that this block is inappropriate, all while I was asleep last night:[WP:ANI#Revert war] "This is an utterly ridiculous block." '[NPA] states "Comment on content, not on the contributor". Kwamikagami was quite clearly commenting on the content of the edits.' "How does using the edit summary rv. nonsense justify a block for personal attacks?" "This block is absurd. No, strike that, this block is bullshit. "It is self-evident that the thread here was started by a contributor that has a history of trying to game the system. A contributor who has repeatedly invented bogus 'consensus' to try to push through POV-pushing edits, A contributor who's entire concept of 'consensus' revolves around intentionally misrepresenting what others say. A contributor who started this thread by asking for Kwamikagami to be blocked not for anything they had done, but to prevent an imagined 'edit war' that had yet to occur. A contributor who's continuing presence on Wikipedia is a net negative. This block rewards improperly-motivated rulemongering to the detriment of Wikipedia. We aren't here to be 'civil', we are here to create encyclopaedic content, and if telling those who clearly aren't that their edits are nonsense or bullshit is necessary, we should do so. "Unblock. The content is bullshit, which is what they indicated. If that's the barometer for an NPA, I think we'd lose all editors to a block. I know I've referred to bullshit as such." "Just to add on the pile, this block was a direct violation of WP:BLOCKNOTPUNITIVE. "This needs to be overturned now, not later, and User:Lourdes needs to brush up on proper admin conduct. "I can call this block "bullshit" and it is not a personal attack because it is directed at egregious conduct that flies in the face of basic Wikipedia policy. "Unless we are going to start a wide-ranging RfC to become the word police and start up a list of censored words, editors need to be free to call nonsense "nonsense" and bullshit "bullshit", even when it might be intemperate to do so. This was a pure act of retaliatory punishment, and is just plain wrong." "Even I could see that this was a Wikipedia:Randy in Boise situation. Would recommend an unblock." — kwami ( talk) 18:50, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
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Hello, I want to ask you about this edit. Is it standard to include examples like this in "References" instead of "Notes"? I am asking because when cleaning up references in International Phonetic Alphabet, I used {{ NoteTag}} for examples similar to this one. Janhrach ( talk) 12:39, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
Hiya, can you add the Nottawaseppi Huron Band of Potawatomi (16th March 2023) to the timeline of the Same Sex Marriage article? Can't do it as an IP anymore, best & many thanks 155.245.69.178 ( talk) 08:55, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
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Should Wa State be coloured on them somehow? Double sharp ( talk) 08:32, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
What complicates the use of the Wa language further is that there is not an agreed standard Wa language and standard Wa script: dialectal variations are huge, and three different scripts are used. The standards promoted by the Christian church, by the minority departments of the Chinese government and by the Wa Central Authorities are all different. And even if everyone would agree on a standard language and script, there is yet another problem in the sense that many subjects of the Wa State are not ethnic Wa, but Shan, Lahu and Chinese who do not necessarily understand the Wa language. Given these difficulties, rather than insisting on the use of the Wa language, people often switch into Chinese. Chinese is perceived to be more convenient, given it is taught in many schools, used for business purposes, and as the hegemonic language in the bureaucracies of army and state.That last sentence is also confirmed by earlier material on an official who is employed to translate government pronouncements into Wa – which suggests that they were not in fact originally in Wa. I'm not sure what to call this situation. Double sharp ( talk) 14:22, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
The working language of the UWSP and UWSA is Mandarin Chinese but with a distinct Wa dialect, most goods come from China, and the currency in use is the Renminbi. (I guess this could very plausibly mean that the Mandarin used by the Wa State is not quite the Standard Mandarin you'd find in official use in China, and is somewhat influenced by the local languages.) This one claims both Mandarin and Wa are de jure official, but it's older (2002), so possibly the situation has changed since then. Anyway, I've added a note to List of countries and territories where Chinese is an official language. (Changing the maps is harder, since Wa State is only de facto independent, and I'd have to draw it specifically.)
Please add Andhra Pradesh to this map: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Urdu_official-language_areas.png . DareshMohan ( talk) 05:42, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
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Hi, I would kindly ask you to please add the Aosta Valley on this map, since if the proportion of French-speakers in Italy il -20%, in this region, where the French language is official since 1561, this percentage is +50%. Thanks :) You can reply to me here if needed. 217.126.85.158 ( talk) 14:18, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
You are of course correct that there is no such thing as a human (or even mammal) hermaphrodite. But as the article stands, we imply that it does, because we don't say anything about intersex. That was what I was trying to rectify but without a citation I accept that it couldn't stand. Have you any sources for medical practice in such cases? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 15:24, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
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Not the naming of Ceres or Juno or Vesta. At the time when Pluto was named, in the world in which Pluto was named, Pluto was a planet and Ceres was an asteroid (and arguably still is, the sources contradict). By the way, your semi-retired banner is looking increasingly anachronistic too. Serendi pod ous 12:09, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
Hi Kwamikagami, I appreciate all your work cleaning up these language maps for accuracy lately. Just a question, I saw you replaced File:English language distribution.svg with the current map on the English language article, but the former seems to display all global entities whereas the current lacks some places like Jersey and Maldives. It also shows an unnecessary subdivision of Brazil, which isn't impacted in anyway like Canada is. Do you think it'd be more accurate to revert to the former map, or at the very least remove those subdivisions from Brazil? Thanks. - Moalli ( talk) 23:43, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
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Hi. I just noticed that back in 2010, you made a series of AWB edits to change [-a] to [-ə] for diphthongs in Thai pronunciation keys. This doesn't really match the IPA manual's conventions, and many (most? all?) of the changes appear to have been removed in later edits by Potapt. Just for the record, do we have agreemment not to retain those 2010 changes? -- Paul_012 ( talk) 13:29, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
Hi Kwami. Hope you are well. I think that you inadvertently removed the link when introducing the "ref name" here and no-one has picked up on it. However, what I find odd is that it does not generate the usual error message "Cite error: The named reference [....] was invoked but never defined". That message comes up only if I add the "dead link" tag to it in the infobox. If I add it to the body, nothing happens. Also, if I add the tag, it removes "e19" as source number 1 and reenter it as number 90, just above "Afrikaans vs Zulu row brewing at schools". Perhaps you can figure out the mystery. Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia ( talk) 10:18, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
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Hi. I disagree with your edit. Including a mention of elements named after planets on the topic of elements named after planets is clearly on topic. In any case, I think this goes against WP:DONTREVERT. GuguboWIKI ( talk) 23:33, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
Hi Kwami, I want to be able to display certain IPA symbols, and ext-IPA symbols in my browser whenever I view various WP articles that display these symbols within the phonology section of the each article. Which is a font that should be downloaded and installed in order to display these symbols? Do I have to download and install a Unicode font? How do I do it, and how does all this work? Please let me know, and provide me links if you can. Thanks. Fdom5997 ( talk) 21:59, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
Can't read Korean, so asking you for help (or if you know someone who might be able to help).
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) But H. J. R. Murray's A History of Chess (1913) only allows it for players with a bare king (p. 137: A ‘bare’ General is not obliged to move at all. In this case the player simply turns his General over when it is his turn to play.
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Here. (The paper itself is interesting too, of course.) Double sharp ( talk) 04:26, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
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Kwami, I noticed you uploaded file:Signuno abc.gif, and was wondering how you created the handshape images. I would like to get a good, consistent, full set of sign language handshapes in the six standard orientations - palm away, in, towards, up, sideways, and down - for documenting manual alphabets and as a resource for creating standard sign language word images. Any help I can get from you would be appreciated. Van Isaac, GHTV cont WpWS 04:30, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
Hello! Could you please explain why you moved the Abaali page to the Bali people (Adamawa)? I wasn't clear what your edit summary (wpn) referred to and I'm not sure that this is necessary a better or more common name for either the people or the language. I've been having a difficult time finding sources so knowing the most commonly used name would be very helpful. Thanks! Kazamzam ( talk) 21:03, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
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It seems you were the one who added the estimate of the number of Interlingua speakers here: diff. I've been looking into the article some lately, and I found a PDF of Fiedler's "Phraseology in Planned Languages" (albeit... not from the official site... so maybe it's inaccurate? Seems doubtful though). However, I can't find any claim there that Interlingua has "a few hundred" speakers, nor can I find the claim edited in later that there are "1500 written speakers" (probably not added by you, though?). Do you know where it is in the article? Maybe I just missed it. Or is it in another article? SnowFire ( talk) 05:15, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
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Found an interesting paper using a 400 km diameter threshold. Though, unusually, it includes Vesta (okay, I get it, it's thinking about geology) and Proteus(!), but not Mimas (which is just under 400 km). TNO dwarfs other than Pluto and Charon are not considered since they weren't explored (I assume the same applies to Pallas and Hygiea). Double sharp ( talk) 17:37, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
The silicate fractions in Table 4 are interesting, too. (And also another source for the statement that Tethys and Iapetus are basically almost pure iceballs. Mimas too probably, but it wasn't included.)
P.S. do you think it's worth adding Proteus' data to planemo-moons lists, naturally with a big caveat? I was sceptical at first, but by now I've actually found some biting the bullet and accepting the arbitrary "larger-than-Mimas" threshold for moons (including this one, Planetary Society with a maybe, and I think one of the geophysical definition posters). Double sharp ( talk) 04:26, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
Proteus' sphericity is near unity, but it has one of the roughest surfaces known. Thus Proteus is a transitional object in the irregular-spherical shape spectrum for icy satellites: its global figure is relaxed, but its surface features are unrelaxed.Double sharp ( talk) 15:31, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
While we're at it, Planetary-mass moon#Clearing of orbit now has a claim that 400 km diameter is required for a satellite to "clear its orbit". But surely this is not really true, given that much smaller moons like Pan can clear a channel in Saturn's rings? I'd rather think that (say) Jupiter's system, if we pretend it's a star, has four "inner planets" (Metis, Adrastea, Amalthea, Thebe) with "asteroid belts" and "near-Amalthea/Thebe asteroids" (the rings) between them, and then four "outer planets" (Galileans), all surrounded by an "Oort cloud" more perturbed by objects outside the system and no longer lining up in the plane (irregulars). Double sharp ( talk) 17:38, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
P.S. in terms of different criteria interesting different groups of scientists: the theoretical limit for a nuclear structure to form is about 10−22 s, but the theoretical limit for the nucleus to grab an electron cloud is about 10−14 s. Therefore, extrapolation suggests that somewhere in maybe the 130s and 140s we might get atomic-number values that the physicists will agree exist as nuclides but the chemists will argue are not really elements (because the nucleus falls apart before it captures the electron cloud, so chemistry is impossible). I expect a fun argument to follow if this materialises. :) Double sharp ( talk) 09:13, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
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Came across Lianzhou language. Could do with a review and some better categories. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 20:02, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
Hi, I believe your last edits to Template:Infobox language may be responsible for 200+ articles appearing in CAT:MISSFILE. It appears to be an issue with the map2 image. It's late and I haven't looked deeper but thought I'd mention before signing off before anyone starts fixing by just removing the images. Cheers KylieTastic ( talk) 22:59, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
Well, IUPAC usage is indeed aluminium, but it is also caesium, for what that's worth. And etymologically speaking, the oxide is alumina, so the metal should be aluminum (just like ceria → cerium, but lanthana → lanthanum). :) Double sharp ( talk) 13:42, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
Anyway, there's not only variation in English for element names. The German de:Liste der chemischen Elemente always surprises me a little bit because it is closer to the Latin forms – I myself remember learning it with k and z for c often, e.g. Silizium, Kalzium, Zäsium, Aktinium, Wismut, Jod (but on de.wp it is given as Silicium, Calcium, Caesium, Actinium, Bismut, Iod). Personally I fail to see the point, as in Spanish one still writes escandio, in Italian afnio, in Polish ren and iryd, in Turkish tulyum, and it does not seem to cause undue confusion. And that's not even getting into reasonably common languages for chemical scholarship that use different scripts altogether (Russian, Chinese, Japanese spring to mind). But well, it is not my native language or even the language I write chemistry stuff in, and thus not really my business to give an opinion, just my business to describe. :)
Something interesting I found on the chemical elements in East Asian languages page is the recent reforms for Korean (e.g. using Koreanisations of sodium and potassium since 2014, rather than natrium and kalium). Like I said, when I have time, I'll do some research. :)
P.S. vi.wp has yterbi for ytterbium, but en.wikt has ytecbi. Probably another matter of how much to Vietnamise foreign names and words (e.g. Einstein vs Anhxtanh), but I guess the en.wikt list should be checked. Double sharp ( talk) 08:17, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
Hi, Kwami,
if you have time, you could take a quick look at this in case you spot any errors. KR, -- Davius ( talk) 17:05, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
Other than a calculation (though I guess one could plead
WP:CALC on it), because right now
Planet#21st century still says objects that fulfill the orbital zone clearance requirement automatically fulfill the roundness requirement
and that annoys me because it's not going to be true for red dwarfs. :)
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@ Kwamikagami Please can you create these car manufacturer articles on Boarisch Wiki since you understand this language as far as I have seen:
I am a car fanatic and these important car manufacturers are missing on this Wiki. You can create them with short content, how you seek it reasonable. Thank you for your time 188.172.109.247 ( talk) 07:30, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
@ Kwamikagami If you have a friend on Bavarian Wiki who understand this language, would you ask him to create. Only these articles which are trending now. Please do this favor for me! HELGAPRV ( talk) 07:39, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
@ Kwamikagami Would you ask someone else please? 188.172.109.37 ( talk) 15:03, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
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Hi, five new boulders on asteroid Dimorphos were recently named after drums. Can you add these in with their etymology? Thanks. Nrco0e ( talk) 23:21, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
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[start of thread, copied from Serendipodous's talk page] 'Pluto' was one of the top 3 proposed names. Yes, Burney proposed it. So did a lot of other people. I don't remember the source that said that crediting her was mostly optics, but we do have a source that she was the first "outside of the Lowell staff". And that's from Tombaugh himself. — kwami ( talk) 20:16, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
Leaving aside the fact that that's unsourced, one guy's recollection from decades prior is not necessarily a reliable record. It may have been optics, but that would require a citation. Serendi pod ous 21:10, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
Wouldn't help for Miranda or Umbriel, but you can use this form at the MPC for the irregulars. That said, one decimal place is already too much precision: this year, Nereid will vary from 19.1 to 19.4. Double sharp ( talk) 18:15, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
I wondered the last time I saw it and now wonder again: what's the story behind the very phonetically normal sentence for F? Double sharp ( talk) 15:53, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
I just wanted to highlight what seemingly in 15 years no one has seen -- there is an error in your comparison PNG ( /info/en/?search=Canadian_Aboriginal_syllabics#/media/File:Nagari-syllabics.png). the glyph derived from devagari "na" is, in the displayed orientation, not "ne" but "ni". i did not dare to touch the file, so i just came by to inform you. Hyperbaton ( talk) 08:37, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi, I don't understand your reverts on List of languages by number of native speakers, Levantine Arabic, Kabyle language, and Bulgarian language.
You wrote "not a valid link" but what is "not valid" with this page? The page says: "Table 3 lists the largest languages of the world in descending order of population of first-language speakers." and later we have the full table ("Table 3. Languages with at least 50 million first-language speakers") a455bcd9 (Antoine) ( talk) 12:51, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
On ne dispose pas de statistiques sûres pour évaluer le nombre des berbérophones : les estimations vont de treize à trente millions ; un total de vingt ou vingt-cinq millions paraît admissible) and Chaker 2022 (
En l’absence de statistiques linguistiques fiables, on peut estimer l’ensemble des Berbérophones entre vingt et vingt-cinq millions de personnes, dont la très grande majorité se situe en Algérie (20 à 25 % de la population) et au Maroc (30 à 35 % de la population).) to give the current best guesstimate and the breakdown by country. For the diaspora I think Ethnologue is reliable and sourced. a455bcd9 (Antoine) ( talk) 12:15, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
If Southern Oceanic was only proposed in 2002, how can Lynch (1995) already have a list for it? -- Florian Blaschke ( talk) 01:09, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
You just edited 20 articles — among them Berbers, Persians, and Samaritans — to remove the above category marker. In a way, I understand this: the category is described as "Peoples of the ancient world (i.e. prior to AD 476)", in line with the definition of the adjective "ancient" as "of or relating to the historical period beginning with the earliest known civilizations and extending to the fall of the western Roman Empire in a.d. 476": these are peoples who have continued to exist after that year, and exist today. But the thing is, when we are discussing "ancient times" by that definition, we can discuss those peoples, in a way we cannot discuss, for instance, Cossacks (whose earliest suggested distinct or named existence is the 10th century) or Sikhs (whose distinct existence began in the 15th century) — or, for that matter, Americans (as distinct from Native Americans). In other words, some "ancient peoples" still exist, while some other peoples now existing are not "ancient"; it's a meaningful and useful distinction. (A meaningful and useful word for peoples who existed in ancient times but not thereafter might be "extinct". If you want to separate these from the ones you just edited, you might create and use for them the tag "Category: ancient and extinct peoples". THAT would not fit Berbers, Persians, Samaritans, etc.)
By parallel, the term " old person" does not refer exclusively to dead people.
If somewhere there is discussion and consensus supporting your edits, please tell me where. If not, please revert them yourself. Otherwise I'll have to, and I dislike such opposition among editors of good will. – •Raven .talk 15:46, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
For Nubians, we have a problem. Modern Nubians are only attested back to the 8th century. But our article includes people who previously lived in the area and who may or may not be related. We should probably split off Ancient Nubians. — kwami ( talk) 22:13, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
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Thanks for your tireless editing and ability to recognize the nuance most miss, do not understand, or fail to research regarding parliamentary law vis-à-vis a supreme court’s jurisdiction specially regarding Nepal Quaerens-veritatem ( talk) 06:10, 24 March 2023 (UTC) |
Apologies for requesting this. Could you update the picture on Public opinion of same-sex marriage in the United States? (I saw that you were the last person to edit the image)
I tried to do it myself. But I'm not entirely sure how to change the picture and couldn't get it to work. (I've never edited images on Wikimedia before.)
The 2022 American Values Atlas by Public Religion Research Institute has just been released. (See here for dataset.)
Regards, KlayCax ( talk) 09:17, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
Recently, the deprecated source Breitbart released an exclusive survey from the well-respected pollster Meganalisis (which has been considered a reliable source and is quoted on a multitude of Wikipedia articles) on their website... surrounding the opinions of Venezuelans on same-sex marriage and abortion access and I'm uncertain about how I should proceed in this. It appears that these sorts of exclusives between them and Breitbart are becoming a regular thing. (I'm not entirely fluent in Spanish; I'm not sure what the protocol here is. Generally, I'd state that Breitbart links are inherently unreliable and should never be used per consensus. But the pollster who provided the data is considered to be a reliable source from my understanding, is frequently quoted for data on Venezuela on here, and is frequently cited.
Is there a general agreement on what to do in situations like this?
If a reliable source starts posting information on a deprecated source. What are editors supposed to do?
I was going to update the global poll template on same-sex marriage for Venezuela. But I'm not sure now. KlayCax ( talk) 01:24, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
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Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Disallowing use of the ʻokina in Chinese romanized article titles proposes that the
ʻokina gennerally be prohibited from article titles derived from Chinese whenever it does not adhere to the English Wikipedia policy to
use commonly recognizable names. Plese join the discussion. Thank you.
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You just edited Sitting Bull to remove a syllable-break character from the IPA rendering of his Lakota name: [i.jɔtakɛ] → [ijɔtakɛ]. Removing the pause between a vowel and a Y-glide tends to elide them into a single syllable, when they belong in separate syllables. Removing the pause in "Bye, you kid!" would sound like "Bayou Kid!", etc. I've reverted that edit. – •Raven .talk 08:25, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
I'm sure you're well-meaning, but some people on Wikipedia vehemently insist on enforcing Peter Daniels' recent narrow constricted neologistic redefinition of the word "alphabet", which I really don't think is a good idea. If the "Hebrew alphabet" and "Arabic alphabet" articles are not going to change their titles, then it's rather pointless to go around changing the titles of articles on lesser-known writing systems... AnonMoos ( talk) 18:11, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
Hello,
I am sending you this message to let you know you are wrong with your last edition in the articule " Spanish language". Spanish is official in Peru, Paraguay and Bolivia. I am from Peru, and I can say that without any doubt. Please, I will ask you to refrain from deleting the edition that shows the map correctly. You do not have, nor will you ever have proof that the Spanish language is coofficial in those countries, because it is not. I recommend you to check the political constitution of those countries so that you can inform yourself a little more. I have uploaded again my image with the updated map, if you want to improve it, you have the doors open. But I am going to ask you not to revert the edition because you would be putting incorrect information again. Best regards LordEdurod97 ( talk) 03:26, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
The image you substituted has big blank margins. That may be suitable for a userbox, but not so much for an image thumbnail in an article... AnonMoos ( talk) 18:54, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
Hello, I'm
.Raven. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, it's important to be mindful of the feelings of your fellow editors, who may be frustrated by certain types of interaction, such as your addition to
WT:NCWS. While you probably didn't intend any offense, please do remember that Wikipedia strives to be an inclusive atmosphere. In light of that, it would be greatly appreciated if you could moderate yourself so as not to offend. Unfounded accusations of "playing stupid" violate
WP:NPA, a Wikipedia policy. Unfounded accusations of "bad faith" violate
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from N'Ko script, in this case falsely commenting "rv. troll", as
earlier on that article you did likewise commenting "rv: this is an ongoing discussion -- wait for the result" (when the only ongoing discussion was a page move request, not pertaining to article text). That's two blankings of content under false premises. Is it "trolling" to even wikilink "West Africa" (one of your removals), for goodness's sake? –
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[edit conflict prevented my adding:] ... and now I see you have double-reverted on the same day. Careful, what was that about 3RR?
... and now I see you're templating me with a level-2 3RR. You don't live by the rules you cite; nor by
WP:DTTR. –
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About the pronunciation of "Portola" and what I thought was a Schwa "ə" with an unexpected vowel sound. I just looked at the pronunciation guide and have realized that I was wrong about it being a Schwa. The "ə" does correctly characterize the correction pronunciation of the ending "a". Sorry for my stupid uninformed mistake.
Thank you for your diligence. Osomite 🐻 (hablemos) 21:13, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
It helps to provide
diffs and evidence when on AN/I. When you say a discussion happened at
WT:NCWS, then
link to it. When you
state,
Raven
has
made
7
duplicate
(I tend to avoid making characterizations like bad faith except on conduct boards) then link to each diff to let people see them.and apparently bad-faith
move
requests
Personally, I don't know the difference between a script and an alphabet, but I do know when I see
someone pull a bait-and-switch. Unless you demonstrate that's what has been happening with your dispute with .Raven, then no one is going to see your side at AN/I. That only happens with
diffs and evidence.
Also, just don't edit war; you know better. –
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User:Nestofbirdnests is still popping back and harassing me and others’ edits. This time as the name “Brett Rivera”. Block him please. Thanks Fdom5997 ( talk) 04:04, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
Yes I think that's a definite improvement, thanks for adding the interactive element as well. Bob talk 14:21, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
Here's a font containing Moskowitz' moon symbols (Jovians in lowercase). Naturally, that involves using U+2BD5 as Charon. Also includes another variant of Orcus' OR-symbol.
Speaking of the Galileans: these are not quite the same as Moskowitz' versions, but the same idea of combining the Jupiter symbol with Greek initialisms. Double sharp ( talk) 19:47, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
Remember User talk:Kwamikagami/Archive 30#Chinese names for the asteroids?
I spent some time today procrastinating by researching this again. :) It seems that the massive calquing effort is really old. It started back in the Qing dynasty in fact. The idea started from the Wylie and Li Shanlan translation 谈天 of John Herschel's Outlines of Astronomy. ( Here you can see a low-resolution scan of the page giving the names of asteroids 1 to 51.) It was first published in 1859 and updated in 1871. In the present astronomical dictionaries they are cited up till 117 Lomia. (With that said, on Chinese Wikipedia they extend beyond that, finally running out at 159 Aemilia, discovered in 1876. And this article says the last edition of 谈天 only went up to 116, though that might be a typo since Lomia was the last minor planet of 1871.) That said, these seem to not always equal the names used today. And some are actually mistranslations e.g. Massalia.
This article lists Li Shanlan's 1870s names for the first thirteen, that were discovered up to 1850 (which are, based on the excerpted scan in the first article, not quite the same as what appeared in the 谈天). These names remain the standard. In a manner of speaking at least: I have never seen anybody actually use the name for Egeria outside a list of asteroid names, for instance. I give glosses and list them explicitly because I think they're really clever. Not sure what article could accommodate this, but it seems we might eventually like a parallel to Chemical elements in East Asian languages for asteroid naming.
The dictionary continues past that, e.g.:
Unfortunately, given the number of nymphs in classical mythology that became the namesakes of asteroids, the clever translations don't quite work so well anymore (Egeria's name could equally fit Thetis, but Egeria came first).
Just as well, I don't know how one could continue it when the names stopped being mythological in any way. The translations have mostly stopped since then, except for the dwarfs (though Sedna is a transliteration and both transliteration and translation are listed for Quaoar). 2060 Chiron is just transliterated. On the other hand 433 Eros is translated indeed: 爱神星.
P.S. What do you think of 浪人星 for 944 Hidalgo? :D Double sharp ( talk) 20:16, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
P.P.S. Example of actual usage: 肉眼看不到海王星,因为它的亮度比木星的伽利略卫星,矮行星,谷神星和小行星,灶神星,智神星,虹神星,婚神星和韶神星都暗。"The naked eye cannot see Neptune, because it is fainter than Jupiter's Ganymede, the dwarf planet Ceres, and the asteroids Vesta, Pallas, Iris, Juno, and Hebe." Double sharp ( talk) 20:39, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
I created them on en.wiktionary all the way up to (57), before finding that (58) had been deleted for insufficient verification outside the lists. Oops. Well, I guess the first edition of 谈天 did stop at (51). Double sharp ( talk) 15:32, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
Regarding (25) Phocaea 福后星, it doesn't make sense as a translation of the meaning, but do you think it might be meant to match the sound? Double sharp ( talk) 19:38, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
As for the other Sinosphere languages: Japanese Wikipedia uses ケレス or セレス for Ceres, and marks 穀神星 as Chinese-only. I can't read Korean at all, but Google Translate suggests that it doesn't use the calque either.
Vietnamese Wikipedia includes the expected sao Cốc Thần as an alternative name for Ceres in the lead, but no such thing appears for any other asteroid. It lists Táo Thần Tinh for Vesta as a Chinese name. For Pallas, the sole attestation I have is one textbook from Vietnam Education Publishing House (which also gives Ceres, Juno, Vesta):
Đêm ngày 1 tháng 1 năm 1801, cuối cùng hành tinh "trốn" này cũng đã bị nhà thiên văn ý là Piazzi "tóm" được. Người ta đã đặt tên cho hành tinh này là sao Cốc Thần (Ceres).
Hành tinh mới được phát hiện trong kỳ vọng làm cho các nhà thiên văn vừa phấn khởi lại vừa cảm thấy thất vọng. Bởi vì hành tinh này nhỏ đến kỳ lạ, đường kính chỉ có 770 km chưa đến 1/4 đường kính của Mặt Trăng. Nó chỉ được xem là một hành tinh rất nhỏ - tiểu hành tinh.
Khoảng 1 năm trôi qua, năm 1802 bác sĩ Aupos nhà thiên văn nghiệp dư người Đức lại phát hiện tiểu hành tinh thứ 2 - sao Trí Thần (Pallas). Sao này còn nhỏ hơn cả Cốc Thần, đường kính của nó chưa đến 500 km.
Sự phát hiện sao Trí Thần khiến cho các nhà thiên văn cảm thấy rất kinh ngạc, vì ban đầu họ muốn tìm thấy một hành tinh, nhưng nay lại tìm thấy một cặp. Như vậy còn có ngôi sao thứ 3, thứ 4 nữa không?
Sự thực đúng như mọi người dự đoán, năm 1804 tức là 2 năm sau người ta lại phát hiện tiểu hành tinh thứ 3 - sao Hôn thần (Juno). Năm 1807 lại phát hiện tiểu hành tinh thứ 4 - sao Táo Thần (Vesta). Về sau lại phát hiện tiểu hành tinh thứ 5, thứ 6...
Not sure if it's worth mentioning despite one admittedly officially published textbook, since in practice Vietnamese Wikipedia uses the English names. (BTW, this is probably pre-2006, because it still calls Pluto a planet, in the process using sao Cốc thần again to note that Pluto is larger than Ceres: Mặc dù Diêm Vương Tinh trong quá khứ có phải là vệ tinh của Hải Vương Tinh hay không thì hiện nay nó vẫn đang quay quanh Mặt Trời, điều đó khẳng định nó là một hành tinh. Vì khối lượng của nó nhỏ hơn rất nhiều so với các đại hành tinh khác, có những nhà thiên văn muốn quy nó về tiểu hành tinh, nhưng đường kính của sao Cốc thần là tiểu hành tinh lớn nhất vẫn chưa đến 1000 km cho nên còn nhỏ hơn rất nhiều so với Diêm Vương Tinh, do đó đa số các nhà thiên văn vẫn thừa nhận Diêm Vương Tinh nên quy về đại hành tinh của hệ Mặt Trời.
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The Zhuang names for the eight major planets are pretty much equivalent to the Chinese ones:
Added the missing ones to Wiktionary. Double sharp ( talk) 13:32, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
They rather refer to themselves as "Han who speak the Zhuang language.", which suggests that they were then aware of their linguistic distinctiveness but did not consider that to mean ethnic distinctiveness. Then again it's not clear from that quote if that means they thought they were speaking a different language altogether or just another dialect. Double sharp ( talk) 13:43, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
The early history of Zhuang writing is poorly understood, as is the early history of the role of Literary Sinitic in Zhuang society. While demographic and political history suggest that Chinese writing played an administrative role in Zhuang areas from about 2,000 years ago, as in northern Vietnam and northern Korea, there is almost no direct evidence bearing on the introduction of Chinese writing. (See Lù (2002: 184–187), for an argument that writing was introduced during the time of the Nán Yuè 南越 kingdom in the early 2nd century BCE under Zhào Tuó 趙佗. For more on Nán Yuè, see Chapter 4.) To what extent, if any, Zhuang speakers participated in the Sinographic cosmopolis is unclear. While a substantial number of speakers of Zhuang must have learned Chinese and learned Literary Sinitic, there is little historical suggestion that the Zhuang area of Southwest China played any cultural or intellectual role within the broader Sinographic cosmopolis, or that Zhuang speakers contributed to the cultural sphere that communicated through Literary Sinitic. There is no evidence of anything like a glossing tradition, of the type seen in Japan and Korea, that facilitated the reading of Literary Sinitic texts aloud in spoken Zhuang. For this reason we will treat this area as part of the Sinographosphere, but not necessarily part of the Sinographic cosmopolis.Though I guess absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Gonggong is left unnamed in ja.wp, but is as expected named 공공 in ko.wp and Cung Công in vi.wp. Double sharp ( talk) 13:52, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
Hi User:Kwamikagami! Recently the Supreme Court of Namibia recognized same-sex marriages conducted in other countries. Can you please update the File:African homosexuality laws.svg map? It would be striped. I think it would either be purple or green. Homosexuality has not been decriminalized yet. [1]
Thank you!
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Come to think of it, if geology is held as the main thing behind planethood (for geoscientists), then aren't Pallas and Vesta better candidates following the spirit of the definition than Hygiea? Sure Hygiea has the right shape, but unless I mistake what is meant by gravitational reaccumulation of the pieces, it seems like Pallas and Vesta are mostly intact in the form they underwent differentiation in, whereas Hygiea got totally disrupted and is now a reaccumulation of the debris. Judging from the similar case of Euphrosyne, that's enough to cause nice sphericity, but it's sphericity that might not have much to do with HE (Euphrosyne being too spherical for its current spin). Would such a reaccumulation end up with significant geological processes happening anymore? Certainly it sounds like all the differentiation would've been undone. That said, still waiting for our Psyche article to be obsolete.
(Interamnia also looks kind of lumpy to me, judging from the infobox picture.)
The motivation being: I'm kind of annoyed that I can't logically put Pallas and Vesta in List of planemos, even though at least Vesta is commonly called the smallest terrestrial planet, and they would both be good examples of terrestrial dwarfs if one ignored the family-forming craters. Though depending on what we see, in some years we might find a good case for Psyche. (And what to make of Saturn IX Phoebe? Maybe I should leave well enough alone after all.) Double sharp ( talk) 16:48, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
BTW, do we have a list of asteroids by surface gravity anywhere? I imagine it must be topped by Ceres, Pallas, and Vesta as the only ones above 0.02g, but given that Psyche seems to beat Hygiea because of density, it's not too clear what would follow. Double sharp ( talk) 22:40, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
I wonder if Proteus might have been an ex-planemo like Pallas or Vesta. Double sharp ( talk) 15:54, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
Could I check what the source for them is? (The ones from Chaos on up are mentioned in the Unicode DP proposal, but not these.) Double sharp ( talk) 16:03, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
P.S. Re Parthenope, my impression from what I searched out some days ago was that the fish-and-star symbol was the only one used when asteroid symbols were still a live usage in research, rather than a holdover being repeated in a few textbooks and dictionaries. Double sharp ( talk) 16:22, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
Depuis longtemps nous proposons comme plus simple, de suivre pour les petites planètes de ce groupe la méthode employée par Bayer, pour désigner individuellement les diverses étoiles d'une même constellation. On les désignerait par les lettres de l'alphabet grec, alpha, bêta, gamma, etc., les mêmes qui servent dans Homère à numéroter les chants de l'Iliade et de l'Odyssée. Dans cette notation, la planète Cérès découverte la première a pour signe la lettre α, Vesta est représentée par la lettre δ qui est la quatrième de l'alphabet. La seizième planète découverte il y a quelques semaines le serait par la lettre π, qui est la seizième lettre grecque; enfin, la dix-septième et dernière, celle de M. R. Luther, le serait par la lettre ρ. Cette classification alphabétique dispenserait de tout autre nom ou de toute autre désignation. Une fois l'alphabet épuisé, on reprendrait comme d'usage les mêmes lettres avec les numéros deux, trois, etc.: ainsi la quarante-huitième planète sera oméga deux, ω2, et la centième delta cinq, δ5. Avec les instruments actuels, et d'après l'éclat des nouvelles planètes, on peut présumer qu'on atteindra trente ou quarante de ces petits astres; mais si l'on employait les grands réfracteurs de quatorze pouces de Poulkova, de Cambridge, Amérique, ou de l'Observatoire de Paris, ou bien les télescopes de M. Lassell ou de lord Rosse, on ne pourrait plus assigner aucune limite au nombre visible des petits corps planétaires qui foisonnent entre Mars et Jupiter.Unfortunately I can't find where he previously proposed it. Double sharp ( talk) 16:56, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
Hello, @ Kwamikagami! Just here to inform you that I have found that some of your Formosan map files contain a misspelling of "Puyuma" as "Puyama". Namely, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Formosan_languages_2005.png and https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Formosan_languages.png. I once fixed a similar issue from another user that had the same map but this time I decided to just message you instead because I'm not sure I can do it properly again. I'm not very familiar with all of Wiki's software. Have a great day! Rvat2003 ( talk) 18:05, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
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Please stop changing the phonetic symbols (specifically ones with diacritics) to symbols which are not even *conveniently* displayable. Most newcomers to the IPA, are unaware of the fonts that they can download, and it’s a bit of an inconvenience for them as well. The sound symbols with diacritics (that I put out) are much more universal than the proprietary symbols that you’ve displayed across the language pages. Fdom5997 ( talk) 01:39, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
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I woke up this morning to find myself blocked. I have been blocked because I refused to promise not to use the word 'nonsense' in the future when referring to another editor's edits. This supposedly constitutes a personal attack. There was evidently supposed to be some sort of agreement, that another editor would agree not to edit-war any more, and in exchange I would agree not to call their nonsense 'nonsense'. My words were part of a consensus that that editor's claims were nonsense, a consensus that they adamantly refused to understand. For example, their own refs prove them wrong, yet they insist that we accept their claims. Rather than defend myself directly, I'll quote responses to my block, mostly from experienced editors (e.g. Tenryuu, VanIsaac and Abecedare have all been here since 2006, Star Mississippi since 2007 and AndyTheGrump since 2010.) Seven editors -- unprompted -- have stated that this block is inappropriate, all while I was asleep last night:[WP:ANI#Revert war] "This is an utterly ridiculous block." '[NPA] states "Comment on content, not on the contributor". Kwamikagami was quite clearly commenting on the content of the edits.' "How does using the edit summary rv. nonsense justify a block for personal attacks?" "This block is absurd. No, strike that, this block is bullshit. "It is self-evident that the thread here was started by a contributor that has a history of trying to game the system. A contributor who has repeatedly invented bogus 'consensus' to try to push through POV-pushing edits, A contributor who's entire concept of 'consensus' revolves around intentionally misrepresenting what others say. A contributor who started this thread by asking for Kwamikagami to be blocked not for anything they had done, but to prevent an imagined 'edit war' that had yet to occur. A contributor who's continuing presence on Wikipedia is a net negative. This block rewards improperly-motivated rulemongering to the detriment of Wikipedia. We aren't here to be 'civil', we are here to create encyclopaedic content, and if telling those who clearly aren't that their edits are nonsense or bullshit is necessary, we should do so. "Unblock. The content is bullshit, which is what they indicated. If that's the barometer for an NPA, I think we'd lose all editors to a block. I know I've referred to bullshit as such." "Just to add on the pile, this block was a direct violation of WP:BLOCKNOTPUNITIVE. "This needs to be overturned now, not later, and User:Lourdes needs to brush up on proper admin conduct. "I can call this block "bullshit" and it is not a personal attack because it is directed at egregious conduct that flies in the face of basic Wikipedia policy. "Unless we are going to start a wide-ranging RfC to become the word police and start up a list of censored words, editors need to be free to call nonsense "nonsense" and bullshit "bullshit", even when it might be intemperate to do so. This was a pure act of retaliatory punishment, and is just plain wrong." "Even I could see that this was a Wikipedia:Randy in Boise situation. Would recommend an unblock." — kwami ( talk) 18:50, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
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Hello, I want to ask you about this edit. Is it standard to include examples like this in "References" instead of "Notes"? I am asking because when cleaning up references in International Phonetic Alphabet, I used {{ NoteTag}} for examples similar to this one. Janhrach ( talk) 12:39, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
Hiya, can you add the Nottawaseppi Huron Band of Potawatomi (16th March 2023) to the timeline of the Same Sex Marriage article? Can't do it as an IP anymore, best & many thanks 155.245.69.178 ( talk) 08:55, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
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Hey there – I notice that in a few comments, the way you approach editors you disagree with is rather confrontational. Consider these statements:
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Should Wa State be coloured on them somehow? Double sharp ( talk) 08:32, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
What complicates the use of the Wa language further is that there is not an agreed standard Wa language and standard Wa script: dialectal variations are huge, and three different scripts are used. The standards promoted by the Christian church, by the minority departments of the Chinese government and by the Wa Central Authorities are all different. And even if everyone would agree on a standard language and script, there is yet another problem in the sense that many subjects of the Wa State are not ethnic Wa, but Shan, Lahu and Chinese who do not necessarily understand the Wa language. Given these difficulties, rather than insisting on the use of the Wa language, people often switch into Chinese. Chinese is perceived to be more convenient, given it is taught in many schools, used for business purposes, and as the hegemonic language in the bureaucracies of army and state.That last sentence is also confirmed by earlier material on an official who is employed to translate government pronouncements into Wa – which suggests that they were not in fact originally in Wa. I'm not sure what to call this situation. Double sharp ( talk) 14:22, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
The working language of the UWSP and UWSA is Mandarin Chinese but with a distinct Wa dialect, most goods come from China, and the currency in use is the Renminbi. (I guess this could very plausibly mean that the Mandarin used by the Wa State is not quite the Standard Mandarin you'd find in official use in China, and is somewhat influenced by the local languages.) This one claims both Mandarin and Wa are de jure official, but it's older (2002), so possibly the situation has changed since then. Anyway, I've added a note to List of countries and territories where Chinese is an official language. (Changing the maps is harder, since Wa State is only de facto independent, and I'd have to draw it specifically.)
Please add Andhra Pradesh to this map: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Urdu_official-language_areas.png . DareshMohan ( talk) 05:42, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
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Hi, I would kindly ask you to please add the Aosta Valley on this map, since if the proportion of French-speakers in Italy il -20%, in this region, where the French language is official since 1561, this percentage is +50%. Thanks :) You can reply to me here if needed. 217.126.85.158 ( talk) 14:18, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
You are of course correct that there is no such thing as a human (or even mammal) hermaphrodite. But as the article stands, we imply that it does, because we don't say anything about intersex. That was what I was trying to rectify but without a citation I accept that it couldn't stand. Have you any sources for medical practice in such cases? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 15:24, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
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Not the naming of Ceres or Juno or Vesta. At the time when Pluto was named, in the world in which Pluto was named, Pluto was a planet and Ceres was an asteroid (and arguably still is, the sources contradict). By the way, your semi-retired banner is looking increasingly anachronistic too. Serendi pod ous 12:09, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
Hi Kwamikagami, I appreciate all your work cleaning up these language maps for accuracy lately. Just a question, I saw you replaced File:English language distribution.svg with the current map on the English language article, but the former seems to display all global entities whereas the current lacks some places like Jersey and Maldives. It also shows an unnecessary subdivision of Brazil, which isn't impacted in anyway like Canada is. Do you think it'd be more accurate to revert to the former map, or at the very least remove those subdivisions from Brazil? Thanks. - Moalli ( talk) 23:43, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
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{{unblock reviewed |1=Caught by an open proxy block but this host or IP is not an open proxy. My IP address is 98.97.60.219. It doesn't matter that I've signed in; I can't even edit my own acct. A number of people in town use this host. [[User:Kwamikagami|— kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami#top|talk]]) 01:50, 9 September 2023 (UTC) |decline = What you are describing is a proxy. Yamla ( talk) 10:12, 9 September 2023 (UTC)}}
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Hi. I just noticed that back in 2010, you made a series of AWB edits to change [-a] to [-ə] for diphthongs in Thai pronunciation keys. This doesn't really match the IPA manual's conventions, and many (most? all?) of the changes appear to have been removed in later edits by Potapt. Just for the record, do we have agreemment not to retain those 2010 changes? -- Paul_012 ( talk) 13:29, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
Hi Kwami. Hope you are well. I think that you inadvertently removed the link when introducing the "ref name" here and no-one has picked up on it. However, what I find odd is that it does not generate the usual error message "Cite error: The named reference [....] was invoked but never defined". That message comes up only if I add the "dead link" tag to it in the infobox. If I add it to the body, nothing happens. Also, if I add the tag, it removes "e19" as source number 1 and reenter it as number 90, just above "Afrikaans vs Zulu row brewing at schools". Perhaps you can figure out the mystery. Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia ( talk) 10:18, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
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Hi. I disagree with your edit. Including a mention of elements named after planets on the topic of elements named after planets is clearly on topic. In any case, I think this goes against WP:DONTREVERT. GuguboWIKI ( talk) 23:33, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
Hi Kwami, I want to be able to display certain IPA symbols, and ext-IPA symbols in my browser whenever I view various WP articles that display these symbols within the phonology section of the each article. Which is a font that should be downloaded and installed in order to display these symbols? Do I have to download and install a Unicode font? How do I do it, and how does all this work? Please let me know, and provide me links if you can. Thanks. Fdom5997 ( talk) 21:59, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
Can't read Korean, so asking you for help (or if you know someone who might be able to help).
David Pritchard's
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) But H. J. R. Murray's A History of Chess (1913) only allows it for players with a bare king (p. 137: A ‘bare’ General is not obliged to move at all. In this case the player simply turns his General over when it is his turn to play.
) English Wikipedia agrees with Pritchard. So, what do reliable Korean sources say the actual rule is? (Murray is much older, so even if what he said isn't the modern rule, it may be that he correctly reported the rules of his time.)
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Here. (The paper itself is interesting too, of course.) Double sharp ( talk) 04:26, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
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Hello, Kwamikagami. The decision to rename the aforementioned pages was made in order for them not to fall out of context with other related language articles (e.g., East Slavic, not Eastern Slavic, West Germanic, not Western Germanic). SeriousThinker 22:40, 8 November 2023 (BST)
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Kwami, I noticed you uploaded file:Signuno abc.gif, and was wondering how you created the handshape images. I would like to get a good, consistent, full set of sign language handshapes in the six standard orientations - palm away, in, towards, up, sideways, and down - for documenting manual alphabets and as a resource for creating standard sign language word images. Any help I can get from you would be appreciated. Van Isaac, GHTV cont WpWS 04:30, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
Hello! Could you please explain why you moved the Abaali page to the Bali people (Adamawa)? I wasn't clear what your edit summary (wpn) referred to and I'm not sure that this is necessary a better or more common name for either the people or the language. I've been having a difficult time finding sources so knowing the most commonly used name would be very helpful. Thanks! Kazamzam ( talk) 21:03, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
Hello Kwamikagami,
It seems you were the one who added the estimate of the number of Interlingua speakers here: diff. I've been looking into the article some lately, and I found a PDF of Fiedler's "Phraseology in Planned Languages" (albeit... not from the official site... so maybe it's inaccurate? Seems doubtful though). However, I can't find any claim there that Interlingua has "a few hundred" speakers, nor can I find the claim edited in later that there are "1500 written speakers" (probably not added by you, though?). Do you know where it is in the article? Maybe I just missed it. Or is it in another article? SnowFire ( talk) 05:15, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
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Found an interesting paper using a 400 km diameter threshold. Though, unusually, it includes Vesta (okay, I get it, it's thinking about geology) and Proteus(!), but not Mimas (which is just under 400 km). TNO dwarfs other than Pluto and Charon are not considered since they weren't explored (I assume the same applies to Pallas and Hygiea). Double sharp ( talk) 17:37, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
The silicate fractions in Table 4 are interesting, too. (And also another source for the statement that Tethys and Iapetus are basically almost pure iceballs. Mimas too probably, but it wasn't included.)
P.S. do you think it's worth adding Proteus' data to planemo-moons lists, naturally with a big caveat? I was sceptical at first, but by now I've actually found some biting the bullet and accepting the arbitrary "larger-than-Mimas" threshold for moons (including this one, Planetary Society with a maybe, and I think one of the geophysical definition posters). Double sharp ( talk) 04:26, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
Proteus' sphericity is near unity, but it has one of the roughest surfaces known. Thus Proteus is a transitional object in the irregular-spherical shape spectrum for icy satellites: its global figure is relaxed, but its surface features are unrelaxed.Double sharp ( talk) 15:31, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
While we're at it, Planetary-mass moon#Clearing of orbit now has a claim that 400 km diameter is required for a satellite to "clear its orbit". But surely this is not really true, given that much smaller moons like Pan can clear a channel in Saturn's rings? I'd rather think that (say) Jupiter's system, if we pretend it's a star, has four "inner planets" (Metis, Adrastea, Amalthea, Thebe) with "asteroid belts" and "near-Amalthea/Thebe asteroids" (the rings) between them, and then four "outer planets" (Galileans), all surrounded by an "Oort cloud" more perturbed by objects outside the system and no longer lining up in the plane (irregulars). Double sharp ( talk) 17:38, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
P.S. in terms of different criteria interesting different groups of scientists: the theoretical limit for a nuclear structure to form is about 10−22 s, but the theoretical limit for the nucleus to grab an electron cloud is about 10−14 s. Therefore, extrapolation suggests that somewhere in maybe the 130s and 140s we might get atomic-number values that the physicists will agree exist as nuclides but the chemists will argue are not really elements (because the nucleus falls apart before it captures the electron cloud, so chemistry is impossible). I expect a fun argument to follow if this materialises. :) Double sharp ( talk) 09:13, 21 December 2023 (UTC)