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Article seems to be missing. Hmmm. Meanwhile, I've inserted what is a disproportionately-sized blurble about Jews in Thailand at Thailand#Religion that should probably be reduced there to a single sentence. Thoughts? Tom e r talk 16:01, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps "Jews in ___" would be better, with any special minhaghim discussed in said articles, and, if sufficiently large, split off to "Judaism in ___". Still tho, "History of the Jews in ___" should be reserved for discussing Jewish history pre-1950 or some other arbitrary date, and then only where that history is of sufficient size to render it "outsized" for the rest of its companion "Jews in ___" article. Regards, Tomer talk 16:32, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Darlin': Don't blame me for the mess. I have not written any of those articles. In fact over the years I have tried to create some semblance of order by creating categories to deal with all the helter-skelter information, so it's funny that you are lashing out at the only guy who has worked consistantly to tidy things up. The last editor who really worked on these types of articles and actually created them with content was User Goodoldpolonius2 ( talk · contribs) who was inactive for a long time but I see from his contributions that he has re-activated himself, so maybe you may want to contact him and maybe the two of you could come up with some meat to put into articles. You can count on my help with the organizational and some technical stuff like edits and categorization but I am not up to writing up what went on in all these countries. The issue with the American Jews article is different for obvious reasons that we have had a lot of editors from the USA, which has the world's largest concentration of Jewish English speakers and with literature to boot and they have expanded it over the years, not so for the Jews of Sweden and Norway etc etc and the articles that flow from them. In the case of other European countries one would need access to their languages and literature but sadly that is so tough because as you know between the Nazis and the Commies not much has been left standing in terms of human life or scholarship to help with writing articles about the Jews, Judaism and Jewish history in them. I wonder though how or if and in what way the German or Russian or Polish Wikipedias are loaded with or without articles about the history of the life or practice of Jews and Judaism in their countries in the centuries gone by. Take care, and let me know how you go, IZAK 17:36, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
If I may put my two agorot in... It seems to me that "History of the Jews in XXX" implies an article about the entire history of the Jewish people in XXX, including their present status. "Jews and Judaism in XXX" might be interpreted to imply a discussion only of the present situation (which in most countries would be meaningless as they have negligible or no Jewish presence). I tend to agree with IZAK regarding creating new "types" of Jews with article titles. If a Japanese person is converted to Judaism and takes up with an Ashkenazi community, is he not Ashkenazi? I disagree to a certain extent- if a group of converts were to establish a separate, unique identity (such as the Abayudaya, Benei Menashe or the Inca Jews, that would merit a separate article in my opinion. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 13:18, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
-- Allen3 talk 10:22, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
BrownHairedGirl has advised me that I may ask you to remove all your postings regarding my alleged use of vulgarities, obscenities, and four-letter words. Please consider this such request. I think such issues, which substantially and allegedly took place elsewwhere are an irrelevant distraction and cast improper doubt upon my judgment and work at Wikipedia. I therefore request that you do what BHG said you have the authority to do - namely, cleanup the Talk page of that distracting material which is also an unfair attack on my character. Thank you. Yours truly, -- Ludvikus 23:50, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi Ludvikus: Thank you for contacting me. I find your request rather odd. Are you willing to withdraw your usage of multiple ethnic slurs and insults based on the most vile of stereotypes, and the racial and national epithets you have plastered all over Wikipedia whenever you bump into editors you disagree with? Let me cite you verbatim examples of your words and interactions:
These are just a few examples, of when you wish to utilize ethnic slurs (even for the most "noble" of reason to "defend" the Jews), you have no problem knocking the Poles or Russians especially, but heaven forfend if any editor has an opinion that you don't like. So here is my suggestion: If you can go back and clean up all the times and places you used negative ethnic slurs, even if it was to illustrate and emebelish arguments, then I will certainly consider what you have to say. But until such time as you shape up, I see no reason to ship out what I have asserted. Thank you, IZAK 05:04, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm surprized you have not made any effort to consider my reponse. And I'm shocked that you do not see that
Żydokomuna =
Stupid Pole.
Hi Ludvik: Saying: "I'm saying the following: " Jewish Bolshevism = Żydokomuna = "stupid Pole" = Polack" " is what is wrong with your approach. There are better and more humane ways of saying that without violating Wikipedia:Civility, Wikipedia is not a battleground, Do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point and No personal attacks. And I do not want to dwell on Wikipedia:Don't feed the trolls. Thanks a lot. IZAK 03:25, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Sorry - did not notice your comment: I'm surprized you have not made any effort to consider my reponse. And I'm shocked that you do not see that Żydokomuna = Stupid Pole.
It seems to me that you are "so busy" that you are content in a "personal attack" on me as a
troll. That is absolutely untrue. And I guess you must find your work so important, that it's OK for you to enage in such a personal attack. I think it is your responsibility now to admit that that's not the case. I never was, and am not now a [[troll].
Yours truly, --
Ludvikus
03:48, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
even though you have created a self-serving allibi of "exposing it to the sun light" -- not all vermin needs to see the light of day. That is why burials were invented.
I actually did send a brief reply at the talk page of User Yidisheryid ( talk · contribs) [3] where I express the desire to keep our communications brief, to the point, and on the record, as that helps to engender focus. Get this: antisemitism is not reduced in any way by goading others and by name-calling of any sort. You are actually making matters worse and raising the fear of antisemitism by creating a heightened atmosphere of ethnic and racist tension (do you think that you are making Polish or Russian people happy? Or Jewish ones for that matter?) Your ways are not in keeping with the ways of Judaism, see what Hillel the Elder said : "That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn. ( Babylonian Talmud, tractate Shabbat 31a. See the ethic of reciprocity or "The Golden rule".) See also: Two wrongs make a right: "a logical fallacy that occurs when it is assumed that if one wrong is committed, another wrong will cancel it out. Like many fallacies, it typically appears as the hidden major premise in an enthymeme—an unstated assumption which must be true for the premises to lead to the conclusion. This is an example of an informal fallacy. It is often used as a red herring, or an attempt to change or distract from the issue. For example: Speaker A: President Williams lied in his testimony to Congress. He should not do that. Speaker B: But you are ignoring the fact that President Roberts lied in his Congressional testimony! If President Roberts lied in his Congressional testimony, that does not make it acceptable for President Williams to do so as well. The tu quoque fallacy is a specific type of "two wrongs make a right". Accusing another person of not practicing what they preach, while appropriate in some situations, does not in itself invalidate an action or statement that is perceived as contradictory."
No-one can hope to use the methods of Julius Streicher and Der Stürmer to "fight" antisemitism, which would be like saying, let's join the Nazi party to fight the Nazis, a very Woody Allanesque-like scenario. Furthermore, how on Earth can spreading antisemitism, by writing multiple speudo-articles about the "Bible" of modern antisemitism be "good for the Jews" or help anyone, except the very antisemites you claim to be "fighting"? You use worse false logic than those you constantly accuse of doing so. You did not have to write thirteen articles about one work when one would have been more than enough in this case. You have bloated the subject of the "Protocols" beyond Wikipedia's scope. Why not create your own website or a blog for all those things? because Wikipedia is not a webhost, see Wikipedia is not a blog, webspace provider, social networking, or memorial site. I have already said too much. Please consider what I have said and withdraw your multiple antisemitic articles based on the "Protocols" ASAP. Thanks again, IZAK 04:39, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi IZAK, I think you should look this article it is evident for me that it's a hoax, most famous hoaxes should have an article in the wikipedia but this one is not. Regards -- Kimdime69 00:48, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
You seem to be a bot run amok! Stop putting inappropriate "other uses" tags on every article in sight, please! Dicklyon 08:01, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I am working on the Jewish history of Wales. I have a few useful references, and helped create category:Welsh Jews, in order to differentiate them from "British Jews" in general.
Northern Ireland is covered by Ireland, since it is merely the part of Ireland that the British State holds onto (hopefully not much longer)... I have already written most of the Scottish equivalent. -- MacRusgail 15:56, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi MacRusgail, thanks for giving this some good thought. I think you have just inspired the solution. The article should say what you have just said here. It should start out by saying something like:
I think that that has the making of a very good stub and if you could find a little more information and just cite a couple of sources we are well on our way! Well done and thanks a lot IZAK 10:02, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
P.S. I just took a look and it looks like a few editors have just done it today! Great minds think alike I guess. Maybe you can see what you can add. Thanks again. IZAK 10:05, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Could you come to the discussion here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Can_an_Admin._blank_a_User_Page.3F and explain how you know the account is a sockpuppet. Cheers. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 20:32, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi Izak. My intention in nominating those articles for deletion was not to pick a fight or to delete valuable information. Someone posted notices questioning the notablity of these articles on the WikiProject Texas page so I took a look at them. I am a member of WikiProject Biography too, and I'm a big proponent of WP:Verify and reliable sources, and meeting WP:Notability. I honestly don't see how you can argue that the articles in question meet any of those guidelines. Most of the sources cited are geocities or earthlink user webpages, which are not considered reliable, and those valid sources (articles, Handbook of Texas), barely mention the subjects. If you really think that the sources are reliable, then make those arguments at the AFDs rather than blanketly stating that they are okay. Otherwise, if you can find reliable sources that discuss the importance of these people, then please incorporate them into the articles and see if you can convince others that the subjects are notable. Being a member of a minority religion or being a locally successful businessman (or both) doesn't make one notable enough to be included in Wikipedia. Karanacs 19:38, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
Continue further discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism#Nominations of Texas Jews articles for deletion
I just split the AfD to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ashkenazi intelligence (2nd). Cheers, -- Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 21:31, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi! Thanks for your notes. I expect to get to the AfDs later tonight. Best, -- Shirahadasha 21:55, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
User:IZAK please slow down. You have asked some major questions and made some very serious negative accusations (OR, POV). They are unjustified but it is going to take me time to respond. And you of all people should be sensitive to my time constraints - I have about four hours until Shabbat.
It is not constructive to start a discussion about categories by saying "You don't understand what they are for". We may disagree on names for a category, or on usefulness, or on citability. Saying I don't understand the concept of categories invalidates me as a discussion partner before we begin.
It is not my style to push POV or engage in OR. If I know something is citable and don't have the exact source, I will even post my own {{fact}} tags - either to remind myself or ask for help from someone who has better access to resources. So a little bit of a benefit of the doubt is in order here.
As for the specific issues of Reform/Liberal/Progressive Judaism. Please keep in mind that you write and read from the outside and I write and read from the inside. My common knowledge is not your common knowledge. You have grown up with certain assumptions about progressive judaism that are not held by progressive/liberal/reform Jews themselves - including your assumption that "progressive judaism" is OR and "reform" is the normative term or that "reform" is somehow in opposition to "progressive" (cf. your comment about Moses Mendelsohn or the CCAR objecting to being called a progressive organization). Some evidence you might want to consider over shabbat:
I agree completely with you that the current arrangement of articles is a mess and something needs to be done about. But it is not just a simple issue of merging everything onto Reform Judaism:
IMHO, the best solution would be:
As for the specific edits to which you object, I will address those after shabbat. Shabbat Shalom, Egfrank 11:36, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi Egfrank: I have re-moved that discussion to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism#Concern about duplicating Reform and Progressive labels where more editors can chime in on this key discussion. Your project is too new, limiting and limited at this time. I was actually hoping to get a more focused discussion going between the two of us, but once you threw it out of your talk page, it belongs in a place where more Judaic editors can see it, not less. See also my comments here: I fully agree with User:Shirahadasha; User:Jon513 and User:JFW that splitting up Judaism projects based on the Jewish denominations has bever worked over the long run on Wikipedia . Thanks a lot, IZAK 07:41, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Izak, please stop make disparaging comments about my motives and the process for nominating the articles for AFD. First, you are not assuming good faith. Second, you have no proof for your accusation, especially considering that I took the time to explain to you the steps I took to try to avoid an AFD. Third, you appear to be ignoring the question of whether the articles in question are actually notable and instead are trying to focus the debate on whether I followed the proper process. If an article makes zero verifiable claims of notability, there is no point in leaving it with tags added or trying to merge the unnotable information into another article. Please stick to the actual topic at hand - do these articles meet wikipedia notability guidelines. Karanacs 14:50, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Please visit Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Progressive Judaism#Is Progressive Judaism OR? for my response. Egfrank 07:54, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
I don't know for sure what the rules are on this, but I'm thinking Rabbi Itzhak Yehoshua belongs at Itzhak Yehoshua. I would appreciate your input. Regards, Tomer talk 00:58, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
You just wrote to User:A Sniper that there is no "attack" in a request for clarification. I agree. I have seen you defend me in the past, so I know enough to read between the lines and I'm sure you didn't mean anything to be an attack. But I think we both come from a religious tradition that begs us to look at how we speak and not just what we say. Sometimes the way we speak can overwhelm our intent.
I think your response would have come across as more information seeking and less of an attack if you had done two things:
For example, you could have said something like this:
This would have accomplished the goal of clarification without giving offense. Instead of fighting we would have had the opportunity to learn from each other and gain trust. I, for one, am sorry we missed that opportunity. And BTW, for future reference, "egfrank" is a "she". Egfrank 03:33, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
P.S. I do not want to subject you to too much agony. I can sense your discomfort. So let me simplify matters. It is well known that Reform Judaism does not believe that the Torah was given to Moses at Mt. Sinai by God. Thus, to them, the mitzvot are not divine and were just man-made social rules in response to various situations of ancient times. There may have been a time that eating certain foods was unhealthy. But now, that there is good hygene, and that the Torah's commandments are regarded as concocted by mere mortal men in any case, the dietary laws do not apply, except perhaps as quint "customs" if so desired (like eating a latke or two on Hanuka), but there is no obligation by Reform Jews to keep the Torah's ancient dietery laws. That includes the prohibition against eating pork, which for Reform no longer applies. Thus no Reform Jew is obligated to not eat pork, and indeed many a Reform rabbi enjoys a hearty breakfast of bacon and eggs with her non-Jewish partner. Have I missed anything here? Tell me, please! So now, having clarified that, and not expecting a denial from you, can you please tell me what is the "official" policy about Jews eating or not eating pork by Progressive Judaism that differs in any way from what Reform, teaches, practices and does without any apologies? Thanks so much, IZAK 08:50, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Actually I very much want that conversation over there. I do not feel safe having it on a user page. best, Egfrank 08:53, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Discussion continues at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism#Differentiating between Reform and Progressive Judaism
Of course I posted something immediately after I asked for help. You might want to try a diff on the talk page to verify -look for the edit marked "request for calmer eyes". It is about the middle of the page. Posted at 9:06, 16 minutes after I made the request for help. If you would like to mark it more clearly go ahead. Egfrank 11:15, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi Izak and Egfrank. I think your discussions on the Project page are going overboard. Pls see my comment there. Maybe you all can be more, as we used to say, mellow? HG | Talk 16:04, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm trying to expand and bring the Eilat page up to date. From the history/talk pages you have been there too, so please come and see what we can do to make it even better. Thank you, Shir-El too 23:51, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi Izak, I saw you are working on some of the same pages I've been puttering around on and wanted to point out that many of the "see also" links you added, in Eilat, for example, are already linked in the article. The "see also" section is generally for material that is related in some way but not mentioned.-- Gilabrand 07:33, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Just wanted to say that your idea of posting a notice of discussion on Reform Judaism, Liberal Judaism and Progressive Judaism was a great idea. Thanks for thinking of it and following up. Egfrank 10:12, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
IZAK, I'm sorry that you feel that my comments were a personal attack. I tried to be careful not to misrepresent what you wrote, and I believe that I did that.
At User talk:Egfrank#Wikipedia's systematic Orthodox bias I wrote that you "used the word Judaism without any qualifier to refer to Orthodox Judaism, which is simple (though possibly unintended) honesty on his part". Did you not write:
How is one to interpret that, except as I described it: the use of the word Judaism without any qualifier to refer to Orthodox Judaism?
At User talk:A Sniper#IZAK and Wikipedia's systematic Orthodox bias I also wrote that you "described the function of Reform Judaism as a rationalization to eat pork". Did you not write:
Does that sentence leave room for other interpretations?
I took great care in my comments not to misrepresent what you wrote. I'm sorry if my comments have offended you, or if you feel that I have quoted you out of context.
In my messages to Egfrank and A Sniper I don't think I described any of your contributions to Wikipedia articles as biased, and I sincerely apologize if I was not 100% clear in that regard. If you think I left that mistaken impression, please let me know and I will edit my messages to make my meaning clear. — Malik Shabazz ( Talk | contribs) 04:38, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi Izak. I respect your work here. I also appreciate that you picked up on the apparent shortcomings of some of the efforts made regarding Progressive Judaism. However, I feel like you are coming on unnecessarily strong. For instance, you just posted your set of challenges yet again, this time on Egfrank's Talk page. Please, can you sit back a bit and chill out with this? I feel like you're breathing down the necks of comparable newbies and, to my view, it looks like you are pestering them -- plus those of us who are watching or trying to comment and figure this out. I realize that you're raising substantive policy concerns -- still, there are civil ways to broach an issue with fellow editors, and then there are ways that are just too much. Now, I'm not saying this to defend their words or editorial judgments, but their faults do not justify your over-the-top intensity with all this. I guess I count on you to exercise leadership, but not as a drill sargent. Ok? I'd really appreciate your lowering the volume here. Thanks, Izak, please give this some consideration. HG | Talk 07:30, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
IZAK, I want to apologize to you. When I wrote to Egfrank and A Sniper it wasn't my intention to insult or attack you, but I can understand why you might have interpreted my messages differently than I intended. You and I don't always see eye to eye, but I have a great deal of respect for you and your opinions. I'm sorry if my messages hurt you, and if you feel that they are personal attacks I will edit them to remove any references to you. — Malik Shabazz ( Talk | contribs) 06:13, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I know so little about either movement that I could not make any useful contributions. — Dfass 11:20, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Daniel might be back. See here for more: User_talk:Yossiea#Daniel575.3F Thanks. Yossiea (talk) 14:30, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi Chesdovi: You are 100% correct. In my case it is only when I cross paths with problematic editors that I get involved, and since you are now the one to come across this, you may want to do the following: See Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Daniel575 for the seven official cases plus more, thus far. Look over what was done at the seven cases: 1& 2 Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Daniel575; 3 Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Daniel575 (3rd); 4 Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Daniel575 (4th); 5 Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Daniel575 (5th); 6 Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Daniel575 (6th); and 7 Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Daniel575 (7th). Then go ahead to Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser and start a new case which will be called Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Daniel575 (8th). Sincerely, IZAK 16:42, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
IZAK, please clarify why some of those are "suspected" and others "confirmed". Thank you -- Avi 17:07, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
IZAK, first, thank you for your contributions to the dialogue on Jewish Texan articles. On a different note... I have started on an article concerning the case, "American Jewish Congress v. Bost." If you have time do you think you could review it, I believe it to be relevant to the article History of the Brenham Jewish Community. The article can be see at, American Jewish Congress v. Bost Thanks and take care. Bhaktivinode 23:38, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
IZAK, how long do the discussions on the Jewish Texan articles up for deletion last? Thanks. Take care. Bhaktivinode 01:52, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
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Shavua` tov, IZAK. I just listened to a program of Gavriel Aryeh Sanders' ( http://www.gavrielsanders/com/) on Uman, and went and looked up the city article, and found a link to this article, which seems to have no references and a lot of weaselwording. I don't know whose attention it would be best to bring this to, to effect some improvement, so I'm hoping that by bringing it to your attention, that you will know whom best to contact. Kol tov, Tomer talk 01:13, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Dear IZAK, I'm trying to devote much less of my time to Wikipedia this time around, in deference to my work schedule, and am also trying to work on articles that aren't viewed by lots of people who have all kinds of opinions about what Judaism stands for. (I just decided to give up on the Simchat Torah article, as the Conservative and non-religious American Jewish editors on that page kept telling me that the practice of jumping up and down for Moshe emes u'Toraso emes during the hakafot is not widespread [though I've seen it in every shul and yeshivah minyan I've attended in Israel], and that what is widespread is drinking in shul during hakafot [which I have never, ever seen].)
I appreciate your asking me to work on articles rather than vote on issues, because that is something that turned me off from Wikipedia a year ago. FYI, I am not a chassidah, but I work for a publisher of Breslov books so I am very well acquainted with that chassidut. My education and lifestyle is charedi, Litvak, yeshivish, so I enjoy adding the charedi viewpoint to articles. I'll look at the articles you suggested when I have time, but I am also looking to rewrite the Shmita article, which we here in Israel are having plenty of experience with this year! Kol tuv, Yoninah 21:34, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
IZAK, thank you for all of your input into the recent AfDs on Jewish Texan history. Without your help I believe that most of the articles would have been deleted. Due to you efforts, Temple Freda, Jimmy Kessler and Simon Theatre, to name a few, have survived these deletion attempts. Also, I believe the History of the Brenham Jewish Community article has improved as well - thanks to your efforts in archiving those many articles on its talk page. Please do know that I appreciate all of your hard work and guidance. Bhaktivinode 01:26, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
I'd suggest posting this at WikiProjects Poland (doubles with Polish noticeboard), Ukraine and Jewish history.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 02:26, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi IZAK. I redirected Jaakobou's user page to his talk page it was annoying to click on his signatuire, getting the "Edit user page" box (as it was a red link and took longer to load) and then getting to his talk page (see my explanation to Jaakobou here (my next edit after the diff you provided). пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 08:18, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Please comment at Wikipedia Talk:WikiProject Time#era categories.... I think you've created entirely too many categories — so many that I can't figure out which ones you've recently created and which ones have been around for a while and have some consensus. Please discuss in WikiProject Time, even if it's not a very active project. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 21:26, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
As a first step, I've proposed deleting Category:Centuries of the future. I still think the era categories are worthless, but I'm not going to nominate them without some idea of consensus. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 17:54, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 06:12, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Hello IZAK! I just noticed that you appear to have unilaterally merged Category:Ships of the Austro-Hungarian Navy into Category:Naval ships of Austria-Hungary. Merging of navy categories into country categories has been very controversial in the past, so I would ask that you please follow the proper procedure before performing such merges in the future. Please swing by Wikipedia:WikiProject Ships if you'd like to further discuss this or any other ship categorization issues. TomTheHand 14:19, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi Again Tom: Ok, I see. I have filled up Category:Ships of the Austro-Hungarian Navy again. I still think the duplication is messy, but it is not one of my areas so if that's what navy editors want they can have it. Is there anything else I can help you with? Thanks, IZAK 15:58, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Thank you, IZAK, for your BOLD! efforts to bring order to the category structure for Austro-Hungarian ships! As TomTheHand indicated, the dual ships by navy and ships by country categories have been a long and contentious issue. As such, I repopulated Category:Cruisers of the Austro-Hungarian Navy. Please feel free to contact me or WikiProject Ships if you have any questions or issues. Thanks, Kralizec! ( talk) 17:20, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Just wanted to let you know that a user called "Jaakobou" has been active on a non-Wikipedia website for years, has a similar writing style to our Jaakobou, and has been noted for a tendency to report anti-Israel postings to admins as anti-Semitic. So, I don't think that Jaakobou is a sock puppet. They do have a similar writing style, but a lot of it (like forgetting to capitalize letters) is probably explained by thinking in Hebrew and translating to English. < eleland/ talk edits> 21:40, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I noticed on the subcategories that I created, a copyright issue has been posted, however, I do post a link to the source of the information. Is this a problem? How best to rectify it? Cheshvan is one example, however there are many more. -- Bachur 16:04, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that you protested the removal of all controversy from the Chabad template. I too tried to reinsert in today, but I am being impeded. Chabad editors seem to feel that there is no such thing as a Chabad related controversy. F one reason or another it is always nothing to do with Chabad.
Moshe Shnuere was a bad apple! a black sheep! It is a Moshe Shnuri controversy not a Chabad controversy I supose they would argue.
What can be done about this? In general the Chabad articles I have seen are some of the worst on wikipedia about a major topic, certainly the worst Jewish ones.
There are good bits, which clearly people have tried to source and write properly, but they are buried in piles and piles of guff and nonsense taken directly from chabad.org's crapoganda. Going through the edit histories and talk pages I see people fighting this but failing simply due to the exasperating experience of dealing with the chabad editors who can obfuscate without end.
The lead on the Chabad article claims that there are 1 million Chabadniks! I mean Jesus H. Schneersohn! 20,000 in crown heights and shluchim comes to a million?
None of the chabad editors, so far as I can tell, are openly messianist, but all wish to defend the position as reasonable, which is odd.
Can we please try and do something about this. It is a great shame that these articles are such a mess. Lobojo ( talk) 03:32, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
I am concerned that the recent edits by User:Lobojo to Milton Balkany may violate WP:BLP and WP:LIBEL. Please take a look and let me know what you think. Chocolatepizza ( talk) 03:42, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that you had done some work on the categories relating to Austria-Hungary. You might be interested in WikiProject Former countries, and especially in the topics covered by the task force for Austria-Hungary. Welcome to join up! Cheers, -- Domino theory ( talk) 17:31, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Ok, thank you, IZAK ( talk) 06:18, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
I think, here, unilateral action is appropriate, but the keys need to be different in different categories. For example, in Category:Centuries in the future, the templates (as we only have centuries 22-31 and 4th millennium) might not have special sort keys, the actual centuries (21-31) probably should keep their sort keys, but the sort keys for the millennia might either be M n (where n is the millenium number, with (my modification) 10 replaced by 90 and 11 by 91), or the nth the millennium might be sorting by n0x (putting them in sort order by the last year of the period), or {n–1}1z (sorting them by the first year of the period, with the longer periods coming later). (The latter options also having dings for the 10th and/or 11th millennium.) However, the important thing is that we settle on a sort order, and document it on the category talk page, so that automated changes might be possible. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 20:16, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
IZAK, please try to remember that as a founder of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism you carry a lot of respect and your behavior sets the tone for the project. I doubt you want even the marat ayin of creating or endorsing a hostile editing environment or condoning incivil behavior. It is important that all points of view and all streams of Judaism are fairly and neutrally represented in Wikipedia. I'm sure you agree and want to act accordingly. Egfrank ( talk) 16:15, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
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Article seems to be missing. Hmmm. Meanwhile, I've inserted what is a disproportionately-sized blurble about Jews in Thailand at Thailand#Religion that should probably be reduced there to a single sentence. Thoughts? Tom e r talk 16:01, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps "Jews in ___" would be better, with any special minhaghim discussed in said articles, and, if sufficiently large, split off to "Judaism in ___". Still tho, "History of the Jews in ___" should be reserved for discussing Jewish history pre-1950 or some other arbitrary date, and then only where that history is of sufficient size to render it "outsized" for the rest of its companion "Jews in ___" article. Regards, Tomer talk 16:32, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Darlin': Don't blame me for the mess. I have not written any of those articles. In fact over the years I have tried to create some semblance of order by creating categories to deal with all the helter-skelter information, so it's funny that you are lashing out at the only guy who has worked consistantly to tidy things up. The last editor who really worked on these types of articles and actually created them with content was User Goodoldpolonius2 ( talk · contribs) who was inactive for a long time but I see from his contributions that he has re-activated himself, so maybe you may want to contact him and maybe the two of you could come up with some meat to put into articles. You can count on my help with the organizational and some technical stuff like edits and categorization but I am not up to writing up what went on in all these countries. The issue with the American Jews article is different for obvious reasons that we have had a lot of editors from the USA, which has the world's largest concentration of Jewish English speakers and with literature to boot and they have expanded it over the years, not so for the Jews of Sweden and Norway etc etc and the articles that flow from them. In the case of other European countries one would need access to their languages and literature but sadly that is so tough because as you know between the Nazis and the Commies not much has been left standing in terms of human life or scholarship to help with writing articles about the Jews, Judaism and Jewish history in them. I wonder though how or if and in what way the German or Russian or Polish Wikipedias are loaded with or without articles about the history of the life or practice of Jews and Judaism in their countries in the centuries gone by. Take care, and let me know how you go, IZAK 17:36, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
If I may put my two agorot in... It seems to me that "History of the Jews in XXX" implies an article about the entire history of the Jewish people in XXX, including their present status. "Jews and Judaism in XXX" might be interpreted to imply a discussion only of the present situation (which in most countries would be meaningless as they have negligible or no Jewish presence). I tend to agree with IZAK regarding creating new "types" of Jews with article titles. If a Japanese person is converted to Judaism and takes up with an Ashkenazi community, is he not Ashkenazi? I disagree to a certain extent- if a group of converts were to establish a separate, unique identity (such as the Abayudaya, Benei Menashe or the Inca Jews, that would merit a separate article in my opinion. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 13:18, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
-- Allen3 talk 10:22, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
BrownHairedGirl has advised me that I may ask you to remove all your postings regarding my alleged use of vulgarities, obscenities, and four-letter words. Please consider this such request. I think such issues, which substantially and allegedly took place elsewwhere are an irrelevant distraction and cast improper doubt upon my judgment and work at Wikipedia. I therefore request that you do what BHG said you have the authority to do - namely, cleanup the Talk page of that distracting material which is also an unfair attack on my character. Thank you. Yours truly, -- Ludvikus 23:50, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi Ludvikus: Thank you for contacting me. I find your request rather odd. Are you willing to withdraw your usage of multiple ethnic slurs and insults based on the most vile of stereotypes, and the racial and national epithets you have plastered all over Wikipedia whenever you bump into editors you disagree with? Let me cite you verbatim examples of your words and interactions:
These are just a few examples, of when you wish to utilize ethnic slurs (even for the most "noble" of reason to "defend" the Jews), you have no problem knocking the Poles or Russians especially, but heaven forfend if any editor has an opinion that you don't like. So here is my suggestion: If you can go back and clean up all the times and places you used negative ethnic slurs, even if it was to illustrate and emebelish arguments, then I will certainly consider what you have to say. But until such time as you shape up, I see no reason to ship out what I have asserted. Thank you, IZAK 05:04, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm surprized you have not made any effort to consider my reponse. And I'm shocked that you do not see that
Żydokomuna =
Stupid Pole.
Hi Ludvik: Saying: "I'm saying the following: " Jewish Bolshevism = Żydokomuna = "stupid Pole" = Polack" " is what is wrong with your approach. There are better and more humane ways of saying that without violating Wikipedia:Civility, Wikipedia is not a battleground, Do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point and No personal attacks. And I do not want to dwell on Wikipedia:Don't feed the trolls. Thanks a lot. IZAK 03:25, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Sorry - did not notice your comment: I'm surprized you have not made any effort to consider my reponse. And I'm shocked that you do not see that Żydokomuna = Stupid Pole.
It seems to me that you are "so busy" that you are content in a "personal attack" on me as a
troll. That is absolutely untrue. And I guess you must find your work so important, that it's OK for you to enage in such a personal attack. I think it is your responsibility now to admit that that's not the case. I never was, and am not now a [[troll].
Yours truly, --
Ludvikus
03:48, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
even though you have created a self-serving allibi of "exposing it to the sun light" -- not all vermin needs to see the light of day. That is why burials were invented.
I actually did send a brief reply at the talk page of User Yidisheryid ( talk · contribs) [3] where I express the desire to keep our communications brief, to the point, and on the record, as that helps to engender focus. Get this: antisemitism is not reduced in any way by goading others and by name-calling of any sort. You are actually making matters worse and raising the fear of antisemitism by creating a heightened atmosphere of ethnic and racist tension (do you think that you are making Polish or Russian people happy? Or Jewish ones for that matter?) Your ways are not in keeping with the ways of Judaism, see what Hillel the Elder said : "That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn. ( Babylonian Talmud, tractate Shabbat 31a. See the ethic of reciprocity or "The Golden rule".) See also: Two wrongs make a right: "a logical fallacy that occurs when it is assumed that if one wrong is committed, another wrong will cancel it out. Like many fallacies, it typically appears as the hidden major premise in an enthymeme—an unstated assumption which must be true for the premises to lead to the conclusion. This is an example of an informal fallacy. It is often used as a red herring, or an attempt to change or distract from the issue. For example: Speaker A: President Williams lied in his testimony to Congress. He should not do that. Speaker B: But you are ignoring the fact that President Roberts lied in his Congressional testimony! If President Roberts lied in his Congressional testimony, that does not make it acceptable for President Williams to do so as well. The tu quoque fallacy is a specific type of "two wrongs make a right". Accusing another person of not practicing what they preach, while appropriate in some situations, does not in itself invalidate an action or statement that is perceived as contradictory."
No-one can hope to use the methods of Julius Streicher and Der Stürmer to "fight" antisemitism, which would be like saying, let's join the Nazi party to fight the Nazis, a very Woody Allanesque-like scenario. Furthermore, how on Earth can spreading antisemitism, by writing multiple speudo-articles about the "Bible" of modern antisemitism be "good for the Jews" or help anyone, except the very antisemites you claim to be "fighting"? You use worse false logic than those you constantly accuse of doing so. You did not have to write thirteen articles about one work when one would have been more than enough in this case. You have bloated the subject of the "Protocols" beyond Wikipedia's scope. Why not create your own website or a blog for all those things? because Wikipedia is not a webhost, see Wikipedia is not a blog, webspace provider, social networking, or memorial site. I have already said too much. Please consider what I have said and withdraw your multiple antisemitic articles based on the "Protocols" ASAP. Thanks again, IZAK 04:39, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi IZAK, I think you should look this article it is evident for me that it's a hoax, most famous hoaxes should have an article in the wikipedia but this one is not. Regards -- Kimdime69 00:48, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
You seem to be a bot run amok! Stop putting inappropriate "other uses" tags on every article in sight, please! Dicklyon 08:01, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I am working on the Jewish history of Wales. I have a few useful references, and helped create category:Welsh Jews, in order to differentiate them from "British Jews" in general.
Northern Ireland is covered by Ireland, since it is merely the part of Ireland that the British State holds onto (hopefully not much longer)... I have already written most of the Scottish equivalent. -- MacRusgail 15:56, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi MacRusgail, thanks for giving this some good thought. I think you have just inspired the solution. The article should say what you have just said here. It should start out by saying something like:
I think that that has the making of a very good stub and if you could find a little more information and just cite a couple of sources we are well on our way! Well done and thanks a lot IZAK 10:02, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
P.S. I just took a look and it looks like a few editors have just done it today! Great minds think alike I guess. Maybe you can see what you can add. Thanks again. IZAK 10:05, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Could you come to the discussion here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Can_an_Admin._blank_a_User_Page.3F and explain how you know the account is a sockpuppet. Cheers. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 20:32, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi Izak. My intention in nominating those articles for deletion was not to pick a fight or to delete valuable information. Someone posted notices questioning the notablity of these articles on the WikiProject Texas page so I took a look at them. I am a member of WikiProject Biography too, and I'm a big proponent of WP:Verify and reliable sources, and meeting WP:Notability. I honestly don't see how you can argue that the articles in question meet any of those guidelines. Most of the sources cited are geocities or earthlink user webpages, which are not considered reliable, and those valid sources (articles, Handbook of Texas), barely mention the subjects. If you really think that the sources are reliable, then make those arguments at the AFDs rather than blanketly stating that they are okay. Otherwise, if you can find reliable sources that discuss the importance of these people, then please incorporate them into the articles and see if you can convince others that the subjects are notable. Being a member of a minority religion or being a locally successful businessman (or both) doesn't make one notable enough to be included in Wikipedia. Karanacs 19:38, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
Continue further discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism#Nominations of Texas Jews articles for deletion
I just split the AfD to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ashkenazi intelligence (2nd). Cheers, -- Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 21:31, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi! Thanks for your notes. I expect to get to the AfDs later tonight. Best, -- Shirahadasha 21:55, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
User:IZAK please slow down. You have asked some major questions and made some very serious negative accusations (OR, POV). They are unjustified but it is going to take me time to respond. And you of all people should be sensitive to my time constraints - I have about four hours until Shabbat.
It is not constructive to start a discussion about categories by saying "You don't understand what they are for". We may disagree on names for a category, or on usefulness, or on citability. Saying I don't understand the concept of categories invalidates me as a discussion partner before we begin.
It is not my style to push POV or engage in OR. If I know something is citable and don't have the exact source, I will even post my own {{fact}} tags - either to remind myself or ask for help from someone who has better access to resources. So a little bit of a benefit of the doubt is in order here.
As for the specific issues of Reform/Liberal/Progressive Judaism. Please keep in mind that you write and read from the outside and I write and read from the inside. My common knowledge is not your common knowledge. You have grown up with certain assumptions about progressive judaism that are not held by progressive/liberal/reform Jews themselves - including your assumption that "progressive judaism" is OR and "reform" is the normative term or that "reform" is somehow in opposition to "progressive" (cf. your comment about Moses Mendelsohn or the CCAR objecting to being called a progressive organization). Some evidence you might want to consider over shabbat:
I agree completely with you that the current arrangement of articles is a mess and something needs to be done about. But it is not just a simple issue of merging everything onto Reform Judaism:
IMHO, the best solution would be:
As for the specific edits to which you object, I will address those after shabbat. Shabbat Shalom, Egfrank 11:36, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi Egfrank: I have re-moved that discussion to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism#Concern about duplicating Reform and Progressive labels where more editors can chime in on this key discussion. Your project is too new, limiting and limited at this time. I was actually hoping to get a more focused discussion going between the two of us, but once you threw it out of your talk page, it belongs in a place where more Judaic editors can see it, not less. See also my comments here: I fully agree with User:Shirahadasha; User:Jon513 and User:JFW that splitting up Judaism projects based on the Jewish denominations has bever worked over the long run on Wikipedia . Thanks a lot, IZAK 07:41, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Izak, please stop make disparaging comments about my motives and the process for nominating the articles for AFD. First, you are not assuming good faith. Second, you have no proof for your accusation, especially considering that I took the time to explain to you the steps I took to try to avoid an AFD. Third, you appear to be ignoring the question of whether the articles in question are actually notable and instead are trying to focus the debate on whether I followed the proper process. If an article makes zero verifiable claims of notability, there is no point in leaving it with tags added or trying to merge the unnotable information into another article. Please stick to the actual topic at hand - do these articles meet wikipedia notability guidelines. Karanacs 14:50, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Please visit Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Progressive Judaism#Is Progressive Judaism OR? for my response. Egfrank 07:54, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
I don't know for sure what the rules are on this, but I'm thinking Rabbi Itzhak Yehoshua belongs at Itzhak Yehoshua. I would appreciate your input. Regards, Tomer talk 00:58, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
You just wrote to User:A Sniper that there is no "attack" in a request for clarification. I agree. I have seen you defend me in the past, so I know enough to read between the lines and I'm sure you didn't mean anything to be an attack. But I think we both come from a religious tradition that begs us to look at how we speak and not just what we say. Sometimes the way we speak can overwhelm our intent.
I think your response would have come across as more information seeking and less of an attack if you had done two things:
For example, you could have said something like this:
This would have accomplished the goal of clarification without giving offense. Instead of fighting we would have had the opportunity to learn from each other and gain trust. I, for one, am sorry we missed that opportunity. And BTW, for future reference, "egfrank" is a "she". Egfrank 03:33, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
P.S. I do not want to subject you to too much agony. I can sense your discomfort. So let me simplify matters. It is well known that Reform Judaism does not believe that the Torah was given to Moses at Mt. Sinai by God. Thus, to them, the mitzvot are not divine and were just man-made social rules in response to various situations of ancient times. There may have been a time that eating certain foods was unhealthy. But now, that there is good hygene, and that the Torah's commandments are regarded as concocted by mere mortal men in any case, the dietary laws do not apply, except perhaps as quint "customs" if so desired (like eating a latke or two on Hanuka), but there is no obligation by Reform Jews to keep the Torah's ancient dietery laws. That includes the prohibition against eating pork, which for Reform no longer applies. Thus no Reform Jew is obligated to not eat pork, and indeed many a Reform rabbi enjoys a hearty breakfast of bacon and eggs with her non-Jewish partner. Have I missed anything here? Tell me, please! So now, having clarified that, and not expecting a denial from you, can you please tell me what is the "official" policy about Jews eating or not eating pork by Progressive Judaism that differs in any way from what Reform, teaches, practices and does without any apologies? Thanks so much, IZAK 08:50, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Actually I very much want that conversation over there. I do not feel safe having it on a user page. best, Egfrank 08:53, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Discussion continues at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism#Differentiating between Reform and Progressive Judaism
Of course I posted something immediately after I asked for help. You might want to try a diff on the talk page to verify -look for the edit marked "request for calmer eyes". It is about the middle of the page. Posted at 9:06, 16 minutes after I made the request for help. If you would like to mark it more clearly go ahead. Egfrank 11:15, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi Izak and Egfrank. I think your discussions on the Project page are going overboard. Pls see my comment there. Maybe you all can be more, as we used to say, mellow? HG | Talk 16:04, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm trying to expand and bring the Eilat page up to date. From the history/talk pages you have been there too, so please come and see what we can do to make it even better. Thank you, Shir-El too 23:51, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi Izak, I saw you are working on some of the same pages I've been puttering around on and wanted to point out that many of the "see also" links you added, in Eilat, for example, are already linked in the article. The "see also" section is generally for material that is related in some way but not mentioned.-- Gilabrand 07:33, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Just wanted to say that your idea of posting a notice of discussion on Reform Judaism, Liberal Judaism and Progressive Judaism was a great idea. Thanks for thinking of it and following up. Egfrank 10:12, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
IZAK, I'm sorry that you feel that my comments were a personal attack. I tried to be careful not to misrepresent what you wrote, and I believe that I did that.
At User talk:Egfrank#Wikipedia's systematic Orthodox bias I wrote that you "used the word Judaism without any qualifier to refer to Orthodox Judaism, which is simple (though possibly unintended) honesty on his part". Did you not write:
How is one to interpret that, except as I described it: the use of the word Judaism without any qualifier to refer to Orthodox Judaism?
At User talk:A Sniper#IZAK and Wikipedia's systematic Orthodox bias I also wrote that you "described the function of Reform Judaism as a rationalization to eat pork". Did you not write:
Does that sentence leave room for other interpretations?
I took great care in my comments not to misrepresent what you wrote. I'm sorry if my comments have offended you, or if you feel that I have quoted you out of context.
In my messages to Egfrank and A Sniper I don't think I described any of your contributions to Wikipedia articles as biased, and I sincerely apologize if I was not 100% clear in that regard. If you think I left that mistaken impression, please let me know and I will edit my messages to make my meaning clear. — Malik Shabazz ( Talk | contribs) 04:38, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi Izak. I respect your work here. I also appreciate that you picked up on the apparent shortcomings of some of the efforts made regarding Progressive Judaism. However, I feel like you are coming on unnecessarily strong. For instance, you just posted your set of challenges yet again, this time on Egfrank's Talk page. Please, can you sit back a bit and chill out with this? I feel like you're breathing down the necks of comparable newbies and, to my view, it looks like you are pestering them -- plus those of us who are watching or trying to comment and figure this out. I realize that you're raising substantive policy concerns -- still, there are civil ways to broach an issue with fellow editors, and then there are ways that are just too much. Now, I'm not saying this to defend their words or editorial judgments, but their faults do not justify your over-the-top intensity with all this. I guess I count on you to exercise leadership, but not as a drill sargent. Ok? I'd really appreciate your lowering the volume here. Thanks, Izak, please give this some consideration. HG | Talk 07:30, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
IZAK, I want to apologize to you. When I wrote to Egfrank and A Sniper it wasn't my intention to insult or attack you, but I can understand why you might have interpreted my messages differently than I intended. You and I don't always see eye to eye, but I have a great deal of respect for you and your opinions. I'm sorry if my messages hurt you, and if you feel that they are personal attacks I will edit them to remove any references to you. — Malik Shabazz ( Talk | contribs) 06:13, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I know so little about either movement that I could not make any useful contributions. — Dfass 11:20, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Daniel might be back. See here for more: User_talk:Yossiea#Daniel575.3F Thanks. Yossiea (talk) 14:30, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi Chesdovi: You are 100% correct. In my case it is only when I cross paths with problematic editors that I get involved, and since you are now the one to come across this, you may want to do the following: See Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Daniel575 for the seven official cases plus more, thus far. Look over what was done at the seven cases: 1& 2 Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Daniel575; 3 Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Daniel575 (3rd); 4 Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Daniel575 (4th); 5 Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Daniel575 (5th); 6 Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Daniel575 (6th); and 7 Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Daniel575 (7th). Then go ahead to Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser and start a new case which will be called Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Daniel575 (8th). Sincerely, IZAK 16:42, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
IZAK, please clarify why some of those are "suspected" and others "confirmed". Thank you -- Avi 17:07, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
IZAK, first, thank you for your contributions to the dialogue on Jewish Texan articles. On a different note... I have started on an article concerning the case, "American Jewish Congress v. Bost." If you have time do you think you could review it, I believe it to be relevant to the article History of the Brenham Jewish Community. The article can be see at, American Jewish Congress v. Bost Thanks and take care. Bhaktivinode 23:38, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
IZAK, how long do the discussions on the Jewish Texan articles up for deletion last? Thanks. Take care. Bhaktivinode 01:52, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
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Shavua` tov, IZAK. I just listened to a program of Gavriel Aryeh Sanders' ( http://www.gavrielsanders/com/) on Uman, and went and looked up the city article, and found a link to this article, which seems to have no references and a lot of weaselwording. I don't know whose attention it would be best to bring this to, to effect some improvement, so I'm hoping that by bringing it to your attention, that you will know whom best to contact. Kol tov, Tomer talk 01:13, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Dear IZAK, I'm trying to devote much less of my time to Wikipedia this time around, in deference to my work schedule, and am also trying to work on articles that aren't viewed by lots of people who have all kinds of opinions about what Judaism stands for. (I just decided to give up on the Simchat Torah article, as the Conservative and non-religious American Jewish editors on that page kept telling me that the practice of jumping up and down for Moshe emes u'Toraso emes during the hakafot is not widespread [though I've seen it in every shul and yeshivah minyan I've attended in Israel], and that what is widespread is drinking in shul during hakafot [which I have never, ever seen].)
I appreciate your asking me to work on articles rather than vote on issues, because that is something that turned me off from Wikipedia a year ago. FYI, I am not a chassidah, but I work for a publisher of Breslov books so I am very well acquainted with that chassidut. My education and lifestyle is charedi, Litvak, yeshivish, so I enjoy adding the charedi viewpoint to articles. I'll look at the articles you suggested when I have time, but I am also looking to rewrite the Shmita article, which we here in Israel are having plenty of experience with this year! Kol tuv, Yoninah 21:34, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
IZAK, thank you for all of your input into the recent AfDs on Jewish Texan history. Without your help I believe that most of the articles would have been deleted. Due to you efforts, Temple Freda, Jimmy Kessler and Simon Theatre, to name a few, have survived these deletion attempts. Also, I believe the History of the Brenham Jewish Community article has improved as well - thanks to your efforts in archiving those many articles on its talk page. Please do know that I appreciate all of your hard work and guidance. Bhaktivinode 01:26, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
I'd suggest posting this at WikiProjects Poland (doubles with Polish noticeboard), Ukraine and Jewish history.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 02:26, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi IZAK. I redirected Jaakobou's user page to his talk page it was annoying to click on his signatuire, getting the "Edit user page" box (as it was a red link and took longer to load) and then getting to his talk page (see my explanation to Jaakobou here (my next edit after the diff you provided). пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 08:18, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Please comment at Wikipedia Talk:WikiProject Time#era categories.... I think you've created entirely too many categories — so many that I can't figure out which ones you've recently created and which ones have been around for a while and have some consensus. Please discuss in WikiProject Time, even if it's not a very active project. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 21:26, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
As a first step, I've proposed deleting Category:Centuries of the future. I still think the era categories are worthless, but I'm not going to nominate them without some idea of consensus. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 17:54, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 06:12, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Hello IZAK! I just noticed that you appear to have unilaterally merged Category:Ships of the Austro-Hungarian Navy into Category:Naval ships of Austria-Hungary. Merging of navy categories into country categories has been very controversial in the past, so I would ask that you please follow the proper procedure before performing such merges in the future. Please swing by Wikipedia:WikiProject Ships if you'd like to further discuss this or any other ship categorization issues. TomTheHand 14:19, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi Again Tom: Ok, I see. I have filled up Category:Ships of the Austro-Hungarian Navy again. I still think the duplication is messy, but it is not one of my areas so if that's what navy editors want they can have it. Is there anything else I can help you with? Thanks, IZAK 15:58, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Thank you, IZAK, for your BOLD! efforts to bring order to the category structure for Austro-Hungarian ships! As TomTheHand indicated, the dual ships by navy and ships by country categories have been a long and contentious issue. As such, I repopulated Category:Cruisers of the Austro-Hungarian Navy. Please feel free to contact me or WikiProject Ships if you have any questions or issues. Thanks, Kralizec! ( talk) 17:20, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Just wanted to let you know that a user called "Jaakobou" has been active on a non-Wikipedia website for years, has a similar writing style to our Jaakobou, and has been noted for a tendency to report anti-Israel postings to admins as anti-Semitic. So, I don't think that Jaakobou is a sock puppet. They do have a similar writing style, but a lot of it (like forgetting to capitalize letters) is probably explained by thinking in Hebrew and translating to English. < eleland/ talk edits> 21:40, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I noticed on the subcategories that I created, a copyright issue has been posted, however, I do post a link to the source of the information. Is this a problem? How best to rectify it? Cheshvan is one example, however there are many more. -- Bachur 16:04, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that you protested the removal of all controversy from the Chabad template. I too tried to reinsert in today, but I am being impeded. Chabad editors seem to feel that there is no such thing as a Chabad related controversy. F one reason or another it is always nothing to do with Chabad.
Moshe Shnuere was a bad apple! a black sheep! It is a Moshe Shnuri controversy not a Chabad controversy I supose they would argue.
What can be done about this? In general the Chabad articles I have seen are some of the worst on wikipedia about a major topic, certainly the worst Jewish ones.
There are good bits, which clearly people have tried to source and write properly, but they are buried in piles and piles of guff and nonsense taken directly from chabad.org's crapoganda. Going through the edit histories and talk pages I see people fighting this but failing simply due to the exasperating experience of dealing with the chabad editors who can obfuscate without end.
The lead on the Chabad article claims that there are 1 million Chabadniks! I mean Jesus H. Schneersohn! 20,000 in crown heights and shluchim comes to a million?
None of the chabad editors, so far as I can tell, are openly messianist, but all wish to defend the position as reasonable, which is odd.
Can we please try and do something about this. It is a great shame that these articles are such a mess. Lobojo ( talk) 03:32, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
I am concerned that the recent edits by User:Lobojo to Milton Balkany may violate WP:BLP and WP:LIBEL. Please take a look and let me know what you think. Chocolatepizza ( talk) 03:42, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that you had done some work on the categories relating to Austria-Hungary. You might be interested in WikiProject Former countries, and especially in the topics covered by the task force for Austria-Hungary. Welcome to join up! Cheers, -- Domino theory ( talk) 17:31, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Ok, thank you, IZAK ( talk) 06:18, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
I think, here, unilateral action is appropriate, but the keys need to be different in different categories. For example, in Category:Centuries in the future, the templates (as we only have centuries 22-31 and 4th millennium) might not have special sort keys, the actual centuries (21-31) probably should keep their sort keys, but the sort keys for the millennia might either be M n (where n is the millenium number, with (my modification) 10 replaced by 90 and 11 by 91), or the nth the millennium might be sorting by n0x (putting them in sort order by the last year of the period), or {n–1}1z (sorting them by the first year of the period, with the longer periods coming later). (The latter options also having dings for the 10th and/or 11th millennium.) However, the important thing is that we settle on a sort order, and document it on the category talk page, so that automated changes might be possible. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 20:16, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
IZAK, please try to remember that as a founder of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism you carry a lot of respect and your behavior sets the tone for the project. I doubt you want even the marat ayin of creating or endorsing a hostile editing environment or condoning incivil behavior. It is important that all points of view and all streams of Judaism are fairly and neutrally represented in Wikipedia. I'm sure you agree and want to act accordingly. Egfrank ( talk) 16:15, 22 November 2007 (UTC)