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What about Season 4? It doesn't have any articles titled this way, yet the consensus is against moving Season 4 (30 Rock) because of 30 Rock (Season 4). -- George Ho ( talk) 18:32, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
Cheers. Bryccan ( talk) 18:37, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
Is that all done and dusted now? I don't want to have to check back there every day for a week or something. Bryccan ( talk) 19:29, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
Hi Cuchullain, we just noticed you deleted Occupy & Press Freedom page. We wish you would reconsider this decision or at least move the content to another page. You cited Freedom of the press in the United States as an alternative page, but it's actually much smaller than the original was. This is important information, and at least a few users think it should stay up.
Just become some of the research and citations are bad doesn't mean delete the whole page. Some good citations is better than no citations at all!
Also please consider the irony of deleting a page on press freedom... Groupuscule ( talk) 00:13, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
You know more about the Nasrani issue than I do. Does this & the new article appear to be another bout of STC/Nasrani POV stuff from Robin klein? - Sitush ( talk) 10:34, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
-- AshLey Msg 14:02, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
Dear Cuchullain, I am writing to you as I got your feedback on the talk page of Kerala Nasrani christian music. I need to tell you that I thank you for trying to rectify the problem with Baum citation. I want to also tell you that I feel like a fool that I did not find out about the tampering of Baum citation all these months. I would never have engaged in so much of conflict if I have known about the tampering of the Baum citation. I apologize for the edit conflict that could easily have been avoided if only I was more vigilant.
as for the music article: this is what I wrote at the talk page: I agree there may be passages in the article that may be open to interpretation. However, it is not done on purpose. This is likely to occur when only one person edits or begins an article. I am happy that you have got the Ross article and have tried reading it. I seek your assistance to remove the likely POV that might have crept up as a solo editor when I started this page. In my capacity in order to be as NPOV as possible I tried to get an Indian source and made a separate section dedicated to Syrian christian folk songs which are largely in malayalam. You could have said that I am engaged in POV editing if I wrote only about Nasrani syrian music and chant accentuation both of which is influenced by Jewish music. But I have made a separate section dedicated to Nasrani folk songs that are sung in the native language of kerala (malayalam). If I had written this article without a detailed description of folk songs in malayalam then you could have called it as POV. But I have gathered information from whatever legitimate sources that I could get regarding nasrani folk songs in malayalam language. As collaborative wikipedia experience please do help in removing POV that is likely to have crept though not on intent. I have at least never removed a citation on purpose and tampered with it. I do have a point of view, we all do. That is why different and competing accounts need to be mentioned. There is much that has to be improved in this article towards making it more neutral and grammatically valid. Please do help.
As for chant accentuation and cantillation this is a quote from Ross page 83 "The Syrian Christian accentuation system was instituted by the Syrian Masoretes, a group similar to the grammarians in Tiberias who codified the system of non-diastematic (nonintervallic) signs for Hebrew cantillation of Biblical texts in the ninth century C.E. (Segal 1953:143; Avenary 1963:10). The Syrian Christian system is a dot notation above, below, or on either side of the words of the text, paralleling the Palestinian dot system of the Jews, which was later incorporated into the Tiberian ekphonetic notation. This development took place between the fifth and tenth centuries C.E. (Avenary 1963:8). The names for these signs give an indication of the expressiveness that characterizes Syrian Christian Bible reading and Chant style, names like wonder" Again I may have made POV interpretation of this, which is likely but again as I said not with intent or purpose. If so then please do rectify it.
I added in this page whatever I could given my access to sources. I have tried to give balanced perspective by referring to Indian source of Choondal from Kerala. Please do add more material from other sources. Again I state that I agree there may be passages in the article that may be open to interpretation but it is not done on purpose. Please do help in improving this article by editing and adding information from more sources. I am afraid to say that I feel hounded and persecuted on the wikipedia. I hope we can have more trust in each other and not see our works with bad intent. An article written by only one person cannot be entirely NPOV especially when it deals with culture or religion or the like. Your help is needed to make this a better and a more neutral article. thanks Robin klein ( talk) 17:47, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
Hi, apparently you deleted the page Meiome. There is still a proposal at Meiosis that it should be merged in there. Is there any way to retrieve the information that was there so that that proposal can be resolved? Sminthopsis84 ( talk) 20:12, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
Please take it as a friendly debate. If you find it inconvenient to clarify my doubts, just leave a comment in my talk page. -- AshLey Msg 15:03, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
-- AshLey Msg 14:37, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
Did you even take a look at said sources? I will quote what I said earlier: "The first source you provided says "ING Presents Jenifer Lopez & Marc Anthony En Concierto", second says "Jennifer & Marc En Concierto", while the third says "En Concierto"." The tour's official website calls it Jennifer Lopez and Marc Anthony Juntos en Concierto. I don't quite understand how the move could have gone through when there was only one comment, an oppose. Consensus is supposed to be reached, which it clearly wasn't. Statυs ( talk) 01:10, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
Hi Cuchullain, IP users have again inserted "Jewish" stuff in STC. What about a semi-protection? -- AshLey Msg 08:52, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
A semi-related question: would you be willing to take over and shepherd the DYK nomination of the music article, since you've done so much work bringing it into line? It's here. (Don't worry about the old article name; DYK has its own redirection for the template, and I expect the new hook will use the new name.) Thanks. BlueMoonset ( talk) 18:43, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
Please fix also the circular redirect. Thanks a lot.
Poeticbent
talk 21:27, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Bruno_M%C3%BCller
Hi Chuchullain, thanks for attending to the merge issue at Bruno Müller. I hope I didn't catch you in the middle of the process (it doesn't look like it, judging by the time stamps), but it looks like you may have missed a step. The page is currently redirecting to itself (the former page, Bruno Müller (Nazi), is appropriately redirecting there). Hope I'm not missing something. -- BDD ( talk) 21:32, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
I have asked for a Move review of Season 2. Because you closed the move discussion for this page, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the move review. -- George Ho ( talk) 05:16, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
Please see this discussion in my talk-page on the applicability of COI on a revert in the article: Kerala. It would be highly helpful if you could guide me in this regard. -- AshLey Msg 08:09, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
Dear Cuchullain:
I am writing you this message because I want to receive a copy of the version of "Dates in Harry Potter" that you deleted. Can you please send it to me on my talk page?
Sincerely,
Colosiant ( talk) 03:22, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
Was this edit necessary? I agree that it is better to say "Syrian Christians" than "Syrians", but we cannot avoid "Malabar". As you know, there are other Syrian Christian communities around the world. Also "Nasrani Mappila" is a correct term, which you can just google to confirm. "Saint" was abbreviated to "St." just to keep the whole thing in one line. I am not aggressive, but is it really a no-no? Thanks. - InarZan Verifiable 03:49, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
Hi there, I think you may have moved Blue (group) to the wrong page in the end. Although the original RM discussion was for Blue (English band), the RM was still ongoing and incomplete. Discussions regarding moving to a different name was in progress, as WP:NAMINGCRITERIA and WP:COMMONNAME stated that the article name should reflect what the group are known by across the used sources. Hence why people on the discussion where swaying towards Blue (boy band) and not Blue (English band). Does this now mean we've to relist the discussion? Wesley ☀ Mouse 13:56, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
Thank you. I have initiated a WP:3O on the article talk page which can be found here. As you are the closing administrator of the original RM, you may wish to participate in the discussions. Regards, Wesley ☀ Mouse 15:52, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for the page moves. A couple of minor notes:
(see [2]
Seems Fr. Édouard René Hambye is now at the one result only 1 editor wanted. I suppose you have a bit of a wry take on diacritics given that "Cu Chulainn" gets 39,000 Google Book hits, " Cú Chulainn" gets 3,300. No don't worry, I'm not got to point that out to anyone. Anyway, leaving that aside, did Fr. Hambye actually provide anything of use to St Thomas Christian pages? In ictu oculi ( talk) 16:13, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
Dear Cuchullain,
The article Saint Thomas Christian music has been put up on DYK on the main page. I thank you for rewriting the article. I realize my mistake. I was wrong and I hope you all would be able to forgive me for that. I thank you for the pain that you took to rewrite the article. I wanted to write this to you earlier but I thought I was not allowed to do that. However I got a message from Sitush which made me realize that it is probably okay to write this thank you note to you. thanks Robin klein ( talk) 20:30, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
Re: this edit - don't we usually italicise song titles? - Sitush ( talk) 21:15, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
Hi Cuchullain,
Thanks for helping with this new page. You're the not the only person to say that "brewpub" should be replaced with "brewery" on this page. I'd never heard the term "brewpub" before, but the description on Wikipedia seems to match better because Bold City Brewery and Intuition Ale Works both serve the beer that they produce and food. The "brewery" Wikipedia page describes a factory and the photos don't show a place where people gather to eat and drink. That's why I changed it to "brewpub", which is actually a sub-heading of the "microbrewery" page.
Here's my solution: Wikipedia allows the link to have a title that is different from the actual link. I think a link to brewpub with the link title displayed as "microbrewery" would be most informative for readers. Like this: microbrewery
Let me know what you think.
Stephen — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stephenbreton ( talk • contribs) 19:35, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
Hello. You closed the requested move discussion for Rapid transit about a day ago. I actually thought we might be at the point of agreement – or at least approaching an agreement – when you closed it. I'm disappointed about that. At the time the discussion was closed, there was a specific suggestion that no one had objected to for more than 48 hours. So why would that suggestion not be considered the consensus outcome? There seemed to also clearly be universal agreement that some kind of move was desirable. It would be nice if you could reopen the discussion to potentially avoid needing to go through this again. There have already been 4 formal move requests on this article, and I'm sure there will be a fifth soon if this remains closed as "no consensus". — BarrelProof ( talk) 19:56, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
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Whoops okay first off let me apologize for reverting Colonial French before reading my messages, that was poor form. I'm too old for edit wars, so maybe we can talk this through. I find language-related articles are particularly susceptible to nasty back-and-forths because of the emotional nature of the subject matter and the nebulous boundaries of the descriptive terms being used.
My opinion is that the version I typed was not factually inaccurate. The US French articles have been frustrating for some time because each of Cajun French, Missouri French and Lousiana Plantation French have: 1) referred to "3 varieties of French spoken in the United States," and 2) enumerated several totally different varieties as making up the list of three. This is inherently confusing.
Assuming the literature can explain which three varieties are under discussion, I would just be happy with all three articles enumerating the same list of three. As I understand it, the French varieties are: Cajun, Missouri French, and Colonial (Plantation) French. The other three contenders are IMO problematised: Canadian French is, well, Canadian (plus that comes with its own naming problems, see discussion page); Frenchville French is poorly attested and functionally extinct; and Louisiana Creole French is not a French dialect at all, it is a creole which is a very separate beast. Creoles are handled differently from dialects across Wikipedia (I think the Haitian Creole page is a good precedent).
— Muckapedia ( talk) 2e juil. 2012 15h59 (−4h)
Statυs ( talk) 12:03, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
How odd that in the space of 24 hours or so we have User:Spiritofyuva and User:Prof.Dr.A.Yeshuratnam both contributing dodgy stuff and both claiming to be academics (one in the edit summary and one by virtue of their username). If it continues then SPI may be appropriate. - Sitush ( talk) 12:22, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
I've had enough of playing pin the tail on the donkey at Knanaya. I have requested temporary semi-protection. - Sitush ( talk) 15:34, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
Bill,
With all due respect, I would like to see you honor the edits several people have made on the East and West Florida pages regarding the use of the word "colony." I reverted to some of those edits last night because they were correct from a historical and factual point of view. There are no references in Spanish royal ordinances or laws of the Spanish Cortes that consider Florida to be a colony or contain colonies (settlements). They refer to Florida as a territory to be settled and, along with being part of the Captaincy General of Cuba, St. Augustine and Havana were appointed governors titled "adelantados," or governors to further the territory. Florida had Parliamentary representation in the Spanish Cortes along with Cuba and Puerto Rico. Representation or coat of arms are not given to Spanish colonies. Pensacola was Florida's first "settlement." St. Augustine was its first "city," after earning a royal coat of arms (much like Gibraltar, Havana, and San Juan PR). There were provinces, settlements, and "missions" as well, in accordance to Spanish terms of governance.
Using the term "colony" in the British sense, may apply to East and West Florida during the British period, but that was a brief 20 years, and the word should only be used when writing within the context of that period, not as it relates to other periods. Example: "East Florida was a colony of Great Britain from 1763–1783 and of Spain from 1783–1822." It should read something like: "East Florida was a colony of Great Britain from 1763–1783 and an overseas territory of Spain from 1783–1822." In the case of Florida's history next to the United States, using this term in the British sense is misleading. It implies a subservient system of governance rather than a representative form of governance. I'm saying this as a professional in the field of journalism, with an interest in Florida's history.
Florida was not a colony of Spain according to Spain and Florida's system of governance. Provinces, autonomous communities, charted communities, and even some states can be considered "colonies" under its technical definition (a country or area under the full or partial political control of another country, typically a distant one, and occupied by settlers from that country - Webster.) But again, because of Florida's history with the U.S., using the word colony to describe Florida as well as the Thirteen Colonies is bad word choice. In fact, Florida today has a very similar system of unitary government to Spain. Counties in Florida can charter their own governance (like Dade county), much like provinces can accede to chartered (autonomous) communities in Spain. There is much inheritance and similarity over the course of history.
I'm asking as a fellow Jacksonville resident and as a 10th generation Floridian to let these more accurate word choices stand. Below is some proof of what I'm trying to say. One, the History Channel's Conquest of the Southeast. In no case do they use the word colony to describe governance in Florida in this documentary, only French/British settlements. It's one of the most accurate. Two, is an interview with one of the leading experts in Florida history, and member of the Florida-Spain Foundation, Dr. Michael Francis. In the video linked below, he verifies that Spanish ordinances and laws refer to the Spains (Iberian communities/King of the Spains was the title of the monarch for many years) and the Floridas (Florida provinces). In this video he also describes some of the misuse of the word colony in Florida, and some of the myths people believe about our history, like the Fountain of Youth.
Conquest of America (History Channel) (2005) http://www.amazon.com/Conquest-America-History-Channel-Narrated/dp/B000A0GXMY
Entrevista a Dr. Michael Francis (in Spanish) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0vr122VYG8 — Preceding unsigned comment added by FLA.101 ( talk • contribs) 00:16, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi Cuchullain, unless I'm missing something, it looks like you moved Talk:Yakutat City and Borough, Alaska to Talk:Yakutat, Alaska per the move request, but Yakutat, Alaska itself still redirects to Yakutat City and Borough, Alaska. Just a friendly reminder, then. -- BDD ( talk) 03:40, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
What about Season 4? It doesn't have any articles titled this way, yet the consensus is against moving Season 4 (30 Rock) because of 30 Rock (Season 4). -- George Ho ( talk) 18:32, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
Cheers. Bryccan ( talk) 18:37, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
Is that all done and dusted now? I don't want to have to check back there every day for a week or something. Bryccan ( talk) 19:29, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
Hi Cuchullain, we just noticed you deleted Occupy & Press Freedom page. We wish you would reconsider this decision or at least move the content to another page. You cited Freedom of the press in the United States as an alternative page, but it's actually much smaller than the original was. This is important information, and at least a few users think it should stay up.
Just become some of the research and citations are bad doesn't mean delete the whole page. Some good citations is better than no citations at all!
Also please consider the irony of deleting a page on press freedom... Groupuscule ( talk) 00:13, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
You know more about the Nasrani issue than I do. Does this & the new article appear to be another bout of STC/Nasrani POV stuff from Robin klein? - Sitush ( talk) 10:34, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
-- AshLey Msg 14:02, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
Dear Cuchullain, I am writing to you as I got your feedback on the talk page of Kerala Nasrani christian music. I need to tell you that I thank you for trying to rectify the problem with Baum citation. I want to also tell you that I feel like a fool that I did not find out about the tampering of Baum citation all these months. I would never have engaged in so much of conflict if I have known about the tampering of the Baum citation. I apologize for the edit conflict that could easily have been avoided if only I was more vigilant.
as for the music article: this is what I wrote at the talk page: I agree there may be passages in the article that may be open to interpretation. However, it is not done on purpose. This is likely to occur when only one person edits or begins an article. I am happy that you have got the Ross article and have tried reading it. I seek your assistance to remove the likely POV that might have crept up as a solo editor when I started this page. In my capacity in order to be as NPOV as possible I tried to get an Indian source and made a separate section dedicated to Syrian christian folk songs which are largely in malayalam. You could have said that I am engaged in POV editing if I wrote only about Nasrani syrian music and chant accentuation both of which is influenced by Jewish music. But I have made a separate section dedicated to Nasrani folk songs that are sung in the native language of kerala (malayalam). If I had written this article without a detailed description of folk songs in malayalam then you could have called it as POV. But I have gathered information from whatever legitimate sources that I could get regarding nasrani folk songs in malayalam language. As collaborative wikipedia experience please do help in removing POV that is likely to have crept though not on intent. I have at least never removed a citation on purpose and tampered with it. I do have a point of view, we all do. That is why different and competing accounts need to be mentioned. There is much that has to be improved in this article towards making it more neutral and grammatically valid. Please do help.
As for chant accentuation and cantillation this is a quote from Ross page 83 "The Syrian Christian accentuation system was instituted by the Syrian Masoretes, a group similar to the grammarians in Tiberias who codified the system of non-diastematic (nonintervallic) signs for Hebrew cantillation of Biblical texts in the ninth century C.E. (Segal 1953:143; Avenary 1963:10). The Syrian Christian system is a dot notation above, below, or on either side of the words of the text, paralleling the Palestinian dot system of the Jews, which was later incorporated into the Tiberian ekphonetic notation. This development took place between the fifth and tenth centuries C.E. (Avenary 1963:8). The names for these signs give an indication of the expressiveness that characterizes Syrian Christian Bible reading and Chant style, names like wonder" Again I may have made POV interpretation of this, which is likely but again as I said not with intent or purpose. If so then please do rectify it.
I added in this page whatever I could given my access to sources. I have tried to give balanced perspective by referring to Indian source of Choondal from Kerala. Please do add more material from other sources. Again I state that I agree there may be passages in the article that may be open to interpretation but it is not done on purpose. Please do help in improving this article by editing and adding information from more sources. I am afraid to say that I feel hounded and persecuted on the wikipedia. I hope we can have more trust in each other and not see our works with bad intent. An article written by only one person cannot be entirely NPOV especially when it deals with culture or religion or the like. Your help is needed to make this a better and a more neutral article. thanks Robin klein ( talk) 17:47, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
Hi, apparently you deleted the page Meiome. There is still a proposal at Meiosis that it should be merged in there. Is there any way to retrieve the information that was there so that that proposal can be resolved? Sminthopsis84 ( talk) 20:12, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
Please take it as a friendly debate. If you find it inconvenient to clarify my doubts, just leave a comment in my talk page. -- AshLey Msg 15:03, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
-- AshLey Msg 14:37, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
Did you even take a look at said sources? I will quote what I said earlier: "The first source you provided says "ING Presents Jenifer Lopez & Marc Anthony En Concierto", second says "Jennifer & Marc En Concierto", while the third says "En Concierto"." The tour's official website calls it Jennifer Lopez and Marc Anthony Juntos en Concierto. I don't quite understand how the move could have gone through when there was only one comment, an oppose. Consensus is supposed to be reached, which it clearly wasn't. Statυs ( talk) 01:10, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
Hi Cuchullain, IP users have again inserted "Jewish" stuff in STC. What about a semi-protection? -- AshLey Msg 08:52, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
A semi-related question: would you be willing to take over and shepherd the DYK nomination of the music article, since you've done so much work bringing it into line? It's here. (Don't worry about the old article name; DYK has its own redirection for the template, and I expect the new hook will use the new name.) Thanks. BlueMoonset ( talk) 18:43, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
Please fix also the circular redirect. Thanks a lot.
Poeticbent
talk 21:27, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Bruno_M%C3%BCller
Hi Chuchullain, thanks for attending to the merge issue at Bruno Müller. I hope I didn't catch you in the middle of the process (it doesn't look like it, judging by the time stamps), but it looks like you may have missed a step. The page is currently redirecting to itself (the former page, Bruno Müller (Nazi), is appropriately redirecting there). Hope I'm not missing something. -- BDD ( talk) 21:32, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
I have asked for a Move review of Season 2. Because you closed the move discussion for this page, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the move review. -- George Ho ( talk) 05:16, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
Please see this discussion in my talk-page on the applicability of COI on a revert in the article: Kerala. It would be highly helpful if you could guide me in this regard. -- AshLey Msg 08:09, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
Dear Cuchullain:
I am writing you this message because I want to receive a copy of the version of "Dates in Harry Potter" that you deleted. Can you please send it to me on my talk page?
Sincerely,
Colosiant ( talk) 03:22, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
Was this edit necessary? I agree that it is better to say "Syrian Christians" than "Syrians", but we cannot avoid "Malabar". As you know, there are other Syrian Christian communities around the world. Also "Nasrani Mappila" is a correct term, which you can just google to confirm. "Saint" was abbreviated to "St." just to keep the whole thing in one line. I am not aggressive, but is it really a no-no? Thanks. - InarZan Verifiable 03:49, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
Hi there, I think you may have moved Blue (group) to the wrong page in the end. Although the original RM discussion was for Blue (English band), the RM was still ongoing and incomplete. Discussions regarding moving to a different name was in progress, as WP:NAMINGCRITERIA and WP:COMMONNAME stated that the article name should reflect what the group are known by across the used sources. Hence why people on the discussion where swaying towards Blue (boy band) and not Blue (English band). Does this now mean we've to relist the discussion? Wesley ☀ Mouse 13:56, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
Thank you. I have initiated a WP:3O on the article talk page which can be found here. As you are the closing administrator of the original RM, you may wish to participate in the discussions. Regards, Wesley ☀ Mouse 15:52, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for the page moves. A couple of minor notes:
(see [2]
Seems Fr. Édouard René Hambye is now at the one result only 1 editor wanted. I suppose you have a bit of a wry take on diacritics given that "Cu Chulainn" gets 39,000 Google Book hits, " Cú Chulainn" gets 3,300. No don't worry, I'm not got to point that out to anyone. Anyway, leaving that aside, did Fr. Hambye actually provide anything of use to St Thomas Christian pages? In ictu oculi ( talk) 16:13, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
Dear Cuchullain,
The article Saint Thomas Christian music has been put up on DYK on the main page. I thank you for rewriting the article. I realize my mistake. I was wrong and I hope you all would be able to forgive me for that. I thank you for the pain that you took to rewrite the article. I wanted to write this to you earlier but I thought I was not allowed to do that. However I got a message from Sitush which made me realize that it is probably okay to write this thank you note to you. thanks Robin klein ( talk) 20:30, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
Re: this edit - don't we usually italicise song titles? - Sitush ( talk) 21:15, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
Hi Cuchullain,
Thanks for helping with this new page. You're the not the only person to say that "brewpub" should be replaced with "brewery" on this page. I'd never heard the term "brewpub" before, but the description on Wikipedia seems to match better because Bold City Brewery and Intuition Ale Works both serve the beer that they produce and food. The "brewery" Wikipedia page describes a factory and the photos don't show a place where people gather to eat and drink. That's why I changed it to "brewpub", which is actually a sub-heading of the "microbrewery" page.
Here's my solution: Wikipedia allows the link to have a title that is different from the actual link. I think a link to brewpub with the link title displayed as "microbrewery" would be most informative for readers. Like this: microbrewery
Let me know what you think.
Stephen — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stephenbreton ( talk • contribs) 19:35, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
Hello. You closed the requested move discussion for Rapid transit about a day ago. I actually thought we might be at the point of agreement – or at least approaching an agreement – when you closed it. I'm disappointed about that. At the time the discussion was closed, there was a specific suggestion that no one had objected to for more than 48 hours. So why would that suggestion not be considered the consensus outcome? There seemed to also clearly be universal agreement that some kind of move was desirable. It would be nice if you could reopen the discussion to potentially avoid needing to go through this again. There have already been 4 formal move requests on this article, and I'm sure there will be a fifth soon if this remains closed as "no consensus". — BarrelProof ( talk) 19:56, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
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Whoops okay first off let me apologize for reverting Colonial French before reading my messages, that was poor form. I'm too old for edit wars, so maybe we can talk this through. I find language-related articles are particularly susceptible to nasty back-and-forths because of the emotional nature of the subject matter and the nebulous boundaries of the descriptive terms being used.
My opinion is that the version I typed was not factually inaccurate. The US French articles have been frustrating for some time because each of Cajun French, Missouri French and Lousiana Plantation French have: 1) referred to "3 varieties of French spoken in the United States," and 2) enumerated several totally different varieties as making up the list of three. This is inherently confusing.
Assuming the literature can explain which three varieties are under discussion, I would just be happy with all three articles enumerating the same list of three. As I understand it, the French varieties are: Cajun, Missouri French, and Colonial (Plantation) French. The other three contenders are IMO problematised: Canadian French is, well, Canadian (plus that comes with its own naming problems, see discussion page); Frenchville French is poorly attested and functionally extinct; and Louisiana Creole French is not a French dialect at all, it is a creole which is a very separate beast. Creoles are handled differently from dialects across Wikipedia (I think the Haitian Creole page is a good precedent).
— Muckapedia ( talk) 2e juil. 2012 15h59 (−4h)
Statυs ( talk) 12:03, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
How odd that in the space of 24 hours or so we have User:Spiritofyuva and User:Prof.Dr.A.Yeshuratnam both contributing dodgy stuff and both claiming to be academics (one in the edit summary and one by virtue of their username). If it continues then SPI may be appropriate. - Sitush ( talk) 12:22, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
I've had enough of playing pin the tail on the donkey at Knanaya. I have requested temporary semi-protection. - Sitush ( talk) 15:34, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
Bill,
With all due respect, I would like to see you honor the edits several people have made on the East and West Florida pages regarding the use of the word "colony." I reverted to some of those edits last night because they were correct from a historical and factual point of view. There are no references in Spanish royal ordinances or laws of the Spanish Cortes that consider Florida to be a colony or contain colonies (settlements). They refer to Florida as a territory to be settled and, along with being part of the Captaincy General of Cuba, St. Augustine and Havana were appointed governors titled "adelantados," or governors to further the territory. Florida had Parliamentary representation in the Spanish Cortes along with Cuba and Puerto Rico. Representation or coat of arms are not given to Spanish colonies. Pensacola was Florida's first "settlement." St. Augustine was its first "city," after earning a royal coat of arms (much like Gibraltar, Havana, and San Juan PR). There were provinces, settlements, and "missions" as well, in accordance to Spanish terms of governance.
Using the term "colony" in the British sense, may apply to East and West Florida during the British period, but that was a brief 20 years, and the word should only be used when writing within the context of that period, not as it relates to other periods. Example: "East Florida was a colony of Great Britain from 1763–1783 and of Spain from 1783–1822." It should read something like: "East Florida was a colony of Great Britain from 1763–1783 and an overseas territory of Spain from 1783–1822." In the case of Florida's history next to the United States, using this term in the British sense is misleading. It implies a subservient system of governance rather than a representative form of governance. I'm saying this as a professional in the field of journalism, with an interest in Florida's history.
Florida was not a colony of Spain according to Spain and Florida's system of governance. Provinces, autonomous communities, charted communities, and even some states can be considered "colonies" under its technical definition (a country or area under the full or partial political control of another country, typically a distant one, and occupied by settlers from that country - Webster.) But again, because of Florida's history with the U.S., using the word colony to describe Florida as well as the Thirteen Colonies is bad word choice. In fact, Florida today has a very similar system of unitary government to Spain. Counties in Florida can charter their own governance (like Dade county), much like provinces can accede to chartered (autonomous) communities in Spain. There is much inheritance and similarity over the course of history.
I'm asking as a fellow Jacksonville resident and as a 10th generation Floridian to let these more accurate word choices stand. Below is some proof of what I'm trying to say. One, the History Channel's Conquest of the Southeast. In no case do they use the word colony to describe governance in Florida in this documentary, only French/British settlements. It's one of the most accurate. Two, is an interview with one of the leading experts in Florida history, and member of the Florida-Spain Foundation, Dr. Michael Francis. In the video linked below, he verifies that Spanish ordinances and laws refer to the Spains (Iberian communities/King of the Spains was the title of the monarch for many years) and the Floridas (Florida provinces). In this video he also describes some of the misuse of the word colony in Florida, and some of the myths people believe about our history, like the Fountain of Youth.
Conquest of America (History Channel) (2005) http://www.amazon.com/Conquest-America-History-Channel-Narrated/dp/B000A0GXMY
Entrevista a Dr. Michael Francis (in Spanish) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0vr122VYG8 — Preceding unsigned comment added by FLA.101 ( talk • contribs) 00:16, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi Cuchullain, unless I'm missing something, it looks like you moved Talk:Yakutat City and Borough, Alaska to Talk:Yakutat, Alaska per the move request, but Yakutat, Alaska itself still redirects to Yakutat City and Borough, Alaska. Just a friendly reminder, then. -- BDD ( talk) 03:40, 11 July 2012 (UTC)