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wp:engvar. Please return the article to its British (or Canadian, Irish, Australian... variant)? I can't spell behaviour behavior anymore... Thank you
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Hello and welcome to Wikipedia, I hope you will enjoy editing. However, please refrain from adding comments like this to article pages. The appropriate place for comments is the talk page of the respective article. Also, you may consider making larger edits, such as expansions, in your sandbox (the link is in the top right corner) first, and then pasting them into the article. This way, no one will add notices about empty sections and such. No longer a penguin ( talk) 08:43, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
I came to Wikipedia just a few weeks ago after noticing that a slew of text books (drafts) and journal articles (drafts) were confusing some foundation concepts - notably the 'evoked set' and the 'consideration set' - basic concepts in any course on Consumer Behaviour. I couldn't understand how so many prospective authors were getting it so wrong and decided to investigate. I soon found that several Marketing Tutor websites were printing notes with incorrect definitions, and also Wikipedia was using the incorrect definitions.
So, I wrote to the the Marketing Tutor companies - but they don't seem to be all that concerned. Then, I registered with Wikipedia and began correcting the material. Once I got into Wikipedia, I was shocked to find the poor state of the content on a number of Wiki pages in the marketing area - conceptually unsound, just plain wrong, misleading, unbalanced, unsourced, unfocussed, unstructured and so poorly written. So, I beavered away for several weeks and overhauled a number of pages in the marketing area.
In the process, I was very careful to try and rectify the contributions made by others. Wherever possible, I added references, edited the prose, attempted to integrate repetitive material with existing prose; moved prose to new sections where it could stand alone and when I had no choice but to delete, I tried to suggest another location for that material.
It was going OK until I had an unpleasant experience with an over-zealous editor who seems determined to delete any content that does not have his approval or fails to meet his high standards of excellence. He couches his concerns in terms of Wiki policies (e.g. inadequately referenced, unreliable reference, "editorialising"). After reversing out a few paragraphs that I thought were perfectly acceptable (and were properly referenced), I asked for an explanation. He offered an explanation that frankly made little sense, so I consulted the Wiki policies, sent him extracts of the relevant sections - but needless to say his objections to the deleted material morphed into new objections. Rather than engage with my counter-arguments (by, for example, showing me how I had misinterpreted WP's policies), he simply raised a whole new raft of objections.
After a bit of to and fro, his objections became more and more bizarre. He dropped the pretense of working around WP Policies. Instead, his new objections revolved his own personal likes and dislikes. He said that he did not like my "conversational tone" - that what I had written "trivialises the discipline", accuses me of "making it up" (in spite of three academic references) and finally dismissed me altogether by saying that "some content just doesn't belong on Wikipedia" and advising me to "get a book and work from that". I soon got the impression that he thinks he is the only arbiter of what is acceptable on Wikipedia, regardless of what the written policies actually say. (Actually, I also got the impression that he wasn't entirely certain as to why he was objecting - because the reasons were so fluid and often contradictory). The whole affair was very unpleasant.
I checked this person's editing history - and he is a "deleter" - reversing entries across multiple topic areas for many hours each day. I can only rarely see instances where he has actually added anything. He regularly comes into conflict with other editors whose prose he saw fit to delete for various reasons. He is a diminisher while many of us are contributors.
It's not worth going into battle over these things - let's face it, it is a voluntary role - and if you are not getting any satisfaction out of it - then it is time to quit. It should never become an annoyance. Life is too short to waste on 'anal' editors who appear to be carrying some sort of a vendetta against anyone who wants to actually contribute.
I was a marketing educator for 32 years, and before that worked in sales and marketing. I had a regular column for the Australian Marketing Magazine for many years and I continue to write a weekly blog on topical issues in marketing for one of the major international publishers of business texts. I also help young academics to improve their journal articles so that they can be published in A & B journals. I really know my stuff! And, I was prepared to share it with others via Wikipedia. Moreover, now that I am semi-retired, I have the time to devote to fixing some of the many marketing pages on Wiki; pages that are in very poor shape.
After my unfortunate experience, I will no longer be contributing to Wikipedia. So I want to say this to other editors. Please be extra careful about deleting content on a whim, or when you are in a bad mood. This action simply discourages others from contributing. When people make a contribution, for the main part, they do so in good faith. Always try to find a way to improve the material rather than just delete entire paragraphs or sections.
Here are a few suggestions (instead of hitting the delete button):
If you have a go at these things, it will help to improve your own writing and editing skills. Any improvement that you can make is preferable to simply deleting large slabs of text (especially when it is just because you don't like it).
If you really feel that you must delete, remember that lengthy deletions have the potential to leave large gaps on the page - which can result in the remaining material losing its context, reading in a jerky manner and without any sense of flow or purpose. If you must delete, can you replace the content with something that is acceptable so that the prose on the page still works as a coherent, integrated whole (and not just an itemised list of dot points)?
Wikipedia needs a lot of help to get the marketing pages into good shape. Please don't be a diminisher. Please try to be a builder! BronHiggs ( talk) 11:41, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for sharing the list of editing suggestions with citations to
Marketing research. That is an amazing list. Books have been written based on that kind of research.
If you pulled all this from a bibliography of a book then thanks. If this is your own original compilation then that is amazing. This kind of insight is uncommon anywhere and very rare to see proposed on Wikipedia. Blue Rasberry (talk) 03:15, 27 October 2016 (UTC) |
The Editor's Barnstar | |
Thanks. Adotchar| reply here 21:56, 31 October 2016 (UTC) |
Go to this link for a short list of articles to fix up: https://tools.wmflabs.org/enwp10/cgi-bin/list2.fcgi?run=yes&projecta=Marketing_%26_Advertising&importance=Top-Class&quality=Stub-Class We really need someone to at least get them to C-Class articles. They're stub class, the lowest. Adotchar| reply here 09:45, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
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Thank you for fixing up a lot of marketing related articles, and making the topic much better. Adotchar| reply here 22:13, 3 November 2016 (UTC) |
CaroleHenson (talk) 05:25, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
Hello,
Well, we're on a good roll!
A couple of reminders, so that we can track the conversations:
Thanks so much!-- CaroleHenson (talk) 05:55, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
The Original Barnstar | |
Thanks for sticking at it, it's a shame your initial experience was bad but it's good to see all the work you've done on marketing articles. jcc ( tea and biscuits) 17:16, 6 November 2016 (UTC) |
Hello, BronHiggs. E. Jerome McCarthy, an article you either created or to which you significantly contributed,has been nominated to appear on Wikipedia's Main Page as part of Did you know . You can see the hook and the discussion here. You are welcome to participate! Thank you. APersonBot ( talk!) 12:01, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
As mentioned on the talk page, I set up User:BronHiggs/Positioning (marketing) for you.
Pro: That way you can use that space to develop the article and don't have to worry about having posted content that is not yet fully developed, has formatting issues or errors, etc. And, because it's not going into article space, you're not likely going to get comments along the way, unless you ask for them. Then, when the article is ready, it can be moved into article space. It will take a lot of pressure off of you, if you'd like to do it that way.
Con: You won't have people coming in and asking questions and making edits, which could help further it along faster.
If you don't want to use a sandbox, then the {{ under construction}} tag should remain, unless you can ensure that you're not introducing errors and are inserting "ready for prime time" content.
Does that make sense?-- CaroleHenson (talk) 22:14, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
But it takes time, and may require several passes.It's not a right or wrong, it's another option.
...Sit back for a bit, have a brew and remember that WP is a big place with a lot of people involved in it. You are going to have things reverted at some point - we all do, even after we have been here a while - but you can learn from it. Happen I think that your enthusiasm could be very beneficial to the project and I would urge you to persevere. Things do eventually fall into place. My suspicion is that one of the problems at the moment is that your enthusiasm is slightly misguided: this is normal
Hello. This is a message to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions, such as the edit you made to E. Jerome McCarthy, did not appear constructive and has been undone. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at our welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make test edits, please use the sandbox for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. Please don't add tags to clarify something discussed at length the on the talk page. See Talk:E. Jerome McCarthy#Timeline. You know that there's no more clarification. The only option, really, is to take out the info with primary sources if it concerns you. CaroleHenson (talk) 22:18, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for trying Wikipedia. I appreciate the information you shared but your experience of finding Wikipedia toxic is a common sentiment. There is a steep learning curve and definitely a lot of people do not enjoy being here. If you are not enjoying by now, then your intuition that your time is better spent elsewhere is probably correct. I wish you could stay but I cannot promise a different response than you have already received.
I regret the negative experience you had and am sorry that the community here is unable to be more welcoming. Maybe some day! I regret the loss of your attention, but thanks for what you have already done. I removed that mentorship request that I posted to seek support for you. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:14, 10 November 2016 (UTC) |
Hi there. You left a couple of notes on my talk page regarding some copyright violations to this page; I just checked, and I've made a total of one edit to that page, back in October 2010, and it was a revert of a blanking. I think you missed the contributor you were targeting. Could you maybe take a look at that, please? Tony Fox (arf!) 05:08, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
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Dear Bronwyn, Another user has notified my that you have marked a set of Wikipedia articles, all around 10 years old, for deletion. It appears that you have seached for all references to McNair and myself, and tagged these for deletion. One of these is an obituary for a well known father of our industry. Your actions appear vexatious. We have not used Wikipedia in many years, and need time to get help in defending ourselves.
Could you email me personally at matt@mcnair.com.au to tell me who put you up to this attack. It is not about editing, it is contrary to the spirit of Wikipedia, and we are making inquiries as to whether this constitutes online harrassement. Mpbalogh ( talk) 06:21, 20 November 2016 (UTC) |
Complaint Made | |
Bronwyn, I have lodged a complaint with Wikpedia. Mpbalogh ( talk) 06:58, 20 November 2016 (UTC) |
Best you check in at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Fake_Editor_BronHiggs_actually_targeting_people_and_organisations to see what's up. -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 07:31, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
The reason your reports keep disappearing from the page is because the individual pages for each date are transcluded onto the main page. For this reason, if you are looking at a cached version of the page, you won't see everything. I have now consolidated all your reports about Marketing and History of marketing on the subpage Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2016 November 20. If you find anything else to report about these two articles, please add them to the report at Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2016 November 20 instead of adding and re-adding to random places. Thanks, — Diannaa 🍁 ( talk) 19:37, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
talk Noted, with thanks. BronHiggs ( talk) 19:45, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
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Hi Bron, I had to get rid of one of your edits. Normally I would conduct this via email, but you don't seem to have that enabled. You can contact me at wikiwikiwoo1221 at gmail if you want to know more. Someguy1221 ([[User talk:|talk]]) 22:30, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
If we stick with facts, and avoid personal comments or conjecture about someone's motivation, we'll get a lot further. I have never found that assuming good faith has let me down (i.e., there still may be differences of opinion, but assuming good motivation doesn't make that worse).
I have asked for very specific feedback about what in the E. Jerome McCarthy article you think needs to be changed and what source backs up the change. Doing that would be very helpful.-- CaroleHenson (talk) 19:22, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
I have posted a request for a third party opinion at Wikipedia:Third opinion. A summary of the issue is at the bottom of the Talk:E. Jerome McCarthy page.-- CaroleHenson (talk) 11:01, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
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Please help me with the article on Mass market which really needs to be deleted because (a) it is redundant and (b) it is conceptually unsound, factually incorrect and uses a bogus reference and (c)every single sentence contains problems (d) it cannot be redeemed with more/better references. I posted a detailed commentary on this article some time ago, after being invited to try and fix it, but my advice was that it could not be fixed. Nothing has happened since then. On most marketing pages, it is about 6-8 years between comments on Talk pages. This page is so bad and so misleading that it should not be allowed to stand for a further 8 years.
BronHiggs ( talk) 21:13, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
In case anyone comes to your talk page and is curious about a recent complaint about your edits, I thought it could be worth linking to WP:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive939#Fake Editor BronHiggs actually targeting people and organisations. The closure by User:Kuru was "Inflammatory drive-by accusation with no response to requested clarification." It sounds like that complaint was dismissed with no action.
I saw your request at Wikipedia:Help desk#Proposal to consolidate articles in the marketing communications/ advertising subject area. Your attempt seems to be a worthwhile effort. We don't have a lot of volunteers to work on these articles. User:CorporateM is one of the few people I know of who has put energy into improving business-related articles, but I'm sure there must be others.
If you have time, it could be worthwhile to try to take one of these articles through the WP:GA process. This is a chance to get feedback on your work, and could help to cure the problem you mention, that somebody comes to the article talk page very rarely. Also, if you succeed in getting something made a Good Article that confers a certain credibility. Then you may get less pushback on your other work. (Some Good Articles in the area of Economics and Business are listed at WP:Good articles/Social sciences and society#Economics and business. They include 13 articles about advertising and marketing). Thanks, EdJohnston ( talk) 17:16, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for your suggestion about Good Articles. I am afraid that I don't have the temperament or interest in admin to be willing to go through that type of process. My primary interest has been to improve the substantive content of the many marketing and advertising articles that are fundamentally flawed. I have only been on Wikipedia for about 6 weeks, and it has been a painful journey so far.
However, I have learned that there are two types of article in the marketing area - those that are heavily patrolled and where all new content is rejected almost immediately and those that articles that are largely ignored. After having a lot of content challenged in the first couple of weeks, I now focus all my effort on articles where there is very little editing action.
So far, I have made reasonable progress and have completely restructured and expanded the articles on Market segmentation, Brand awareness, Consumer behaviour, Australian Market and Social Research Society Limited; have saved the bio of E. Jerome McCarthy from being deleted, and am nearing completion with a revamp of Advertising management. I was also invited to have a look at 6 or 8 shorter articles to see if they could be lifted to at least "C" class - and if those articles could be redeemed, I have reworked the content. On other pages where I have encountered excessive and intransigent resistance to even small changes, I have posted extensive editing suggestions on discussion pages, sometimes including detailed content with references so that other braver editors can consider adding worthwhile content to the article. These include Positioning (marketing), Marketing research, Marketing and other smaller articles.
The amount of duplication of articles on Wikipedia defies comprehension. We not only have separate articles on market segmentation and positioning, but there is also a combined article on Segmenting and positioning. As mentioned in the post to which you refer, considerable duplication is also apparent in the areas of advertising, marketing communications and promotion. Extensive duplication is also evident in articles dealing with advertising media.
A number of articles in the marketing area are incomprehensible. [Marketing communications]] and Integrated marketing communications are two such examples. Despite their representing duplication, and in spite of their incomprehensible style of writing, there is enormous resistance to merging or deleting. It is difficult to understand how these articles could be useful to anyone, except as examples of how NOT to write!
I am confident that the articles I have restructured represent a thousand-fold improvement on what was originally there - and some of these such as Brand awareness, Consumer behaviour and Market segmentation represent the foundations of contemporary marketing. I have no doubt that some Wiki editors will find that they still fail the 'encyclopedic' test and are much in need of further 'Wikification'. I will leave it to other editors to 'wikify' the content. My mission has been to correct factual and conceptual errors, redress glaring omissions, maintain a strong focus on the core topic, ensure that complex concepts are explained simply and clearly with references to high quality sources, wherever possible develop diagrams and tables that help to explain complex concepts and generally make these articles more useful to users. I believe that this type of work makes the best use of my skills. (Admin was never my strong suit.) But I have my work cut out with these endeavours and simply have neither the time, nor the inclination to take up an administrative burden such as going through one of WP's GA process.
It was very kind of you to make this suggestion. It is a most welcome suggestion in an environment that is all too often harshly critical and dismissive. It's good to know that some editors are interested in trying to improve the state of affairs. Regards. BronHiggs ( talk) 23:30, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
Hello! Your submission of E. Jerome McCarthy at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah ( talk) 20:35, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
Hi BronHiggs.
Sorry if some things are a bit dispiriting at times. From my perspective as a journeyman editor / wikipedia observer...
I came to Wikipedia in October, 2016. My self-imposed mission was to correct fundamental flaws in a number of marketing articles. In the space of just three months, I have worked every single day (from between 4 and 12 hours daily) and completely overhauled a number of articles, by imposing a conceptual framework and adding substantive content:
[Deleted article titles, due to a group of vindictive editninjas WP:EDITNINJAS following me around with a view to deleting content]
I would have liked to overhaul the following, but these pages are so heavily patrolled by editors exhibiting Ownership behaviours that my initial attempts to be Bold were rejected within minutes and I abandoned all hope of improving these articles. Instead, I have left detailed commentary on specific errors and suggestions, in the form of a plan with recommended headings and sub-headings, for a revised article
Articles that should be deleted due to misleading/ inaccurate content'
I have also identifed pages that are so problematic or misleading that they really should be deleted as soon as practical (see article's talk page for reasons), including:
Articles that duplicate other articles
I have also identified many pages that replicate content/ concepts that are well covered in other articles. I asked for some assistance in relation to this on Wiki Help desk, but my query was ignored. The amount of replication on Wikipedia almost defies comprehension, but for the record here are a few samples of articles that canvass the same material organised into groups
Group One: Segmentation
Group two: Positioning
To avoid this ongoing duplication of articles, the entire marketing project really needs to have a strong framework. See, for example, the psychology sidebar Psychology sidebar (just put it inside double brackets {{..}} to view) which clearly shows how concepts and branches of psychology ar inter-related and where articles fit. Part of the problem is that many of the articles start out with very poor definitions of the topic - and this sets the stage for random subject matter to be added to the article. In addition, pages that are unfocussed also lead to the desire to create new articles with a better focus. For example, the article on Advertising is an uncomfortable blend of socio-historical issues and advertising practice - but very strongly weighted towards history and social criticisms. The fact that this article included some theory of advertising along with this management advice led one editor to decide to start his own article on History of advertising - so now in effect, Wikipedia has two different articles on the history of advertising. Vigilance of new and developing articles should monitor the quality of definitions and should also make an effort to evaluate how well the article's content focuses on core themes.
During my time on Wikipedia, I have been bullied, harrassed and hounded. I have been given appalling advice and had some unfathomable work rules imposed by various editors (none of it backed by any policy). At least three different editors informed me that subject matter experts should refrain from editing in their subject areas and should ONLY make edits outside their subject area. One editor, who was a real bully, continually tried to impose work rules on me. For example she insisted most persistently, that all new content had to be developed in the Sandbox where it was to be perfected, before being uploaded to the Talk page for discussion and only after it had consensus approval could it be added to the article (and since it looks like talk pages in the marketing area are consulted once in every 8-10 years, this advice was clearly designed to lead me to a dead-end). In her words, nothing should go into the article until it was ready for prime-time display. She also insisted that I clean up the expression and grammar in an article before adding new content, even when it was clear that some of the pre-existing content had to be deleted - it apparently needed to be clean before deletion. She followed me around Wikipedia, continually commenting on edits, tagging edits and sending me up to 7 mini-lectures each day on my sins (real and imagined). I won't bother detailing all the other rules and advice that she tried to impose. I had a hard time shaking her off.
And, now the last straw is the battle with the so-called Wikpedia External Links Project, whose stated intention is to 'improve the quality of external links', but judging by their actions is actually a front for the real agenda which is the 'total eradication of all external links'. I find their actions to be dishonest and completely out of line with the spirit of the guidelines on external links.
I have sucessfully discussed deletion decisions with several external links deleter types - in an effort to reinstate links to journals and professional associations - they have suggested a range of strategies
But it actually doesn't matter what I do, in a matter of days, another editor will come along and delete the entire "External Links" section. Their concerted action and peristence, combined with the patent dishonesty behind their actions, is too much. From the outsett, I found the Wikipedia culture oppressive, confusing and contradictory, but somehow found a way to clean up articles without drawing too much attention to myself. But these 'External links' editors are just randomly looking for articles to attack - and for many of them - the only editing they do is deleting external links and writing to people asking them to stop adding external links. This is the straw that broke the camel's back. I simply cannot stand it any more.
BronHiggs ( talk) 21:23, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
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Throughout all your work here, you tried, and people have tried, for some reason, to stop you, and you fixed a large amount of articles that would be so much worse without you. Goodbye. Adotchar| reply here 22:38, 5 January 2017 (UTC) |
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Hey good idea to work on this. I agree the articles are often redundant, often poorly written, sometimes overly academic-sounding and packed with jargon, but you're clearly a talented contributor and I urge you to proceed, particularly with corralling the articles into a sensible arrangement overall. If you run into problems (invariably you will -- expect this, most contributors who've been here a while will tell you this) write on my talk page, please keep it brief exactly what the problem is with a diff, and I'll try to help if I have time.-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 13:47, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
First of all, I want to send you a big big big thank you for fixing my article! Thank you, thank you so much! I'm really appreciated it!
About the arson case, she actually burnt the guy's mansion because she was angry about him cheating on her, and also because she was drunk. So they later charged her for first-degree arson and took her to a rehab felicity for having been drunk. That was what I meant to say, sorry for misinterpreting it, I just wanted to sum it up as briefly as possible. Can you please help me rewrite the line? Thank you ♥ Beyoncetan ( talk) 09:42, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
Hi BronHiggs. I am a passionate wikipedia contributor on areas of social science, marketing and communication (writing from Italy), and I am a victim too, of massive deletes from MrOllie, who just looked for ALL of my contributions to wikipedia in English in a work of 2 years, and canceled them, without any regard to quality and credibility and usefulness of the contribution. They were all specific contributions citing published research and literature. I am an author of books and my work has been quoted all over the globe, I wonder how it is possible to defend ourselves against this type of behavior that destroys not only specific pages but the overall mission of wikipedia. If you have any idea I will be more that happy to discuss it-- Culturalresearch ( talk) 08:25, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
Did you just advise an editor who added Amazon links for his self-published books to multiple articles to continue doing so on less well-patrolled pages? I'm not sure that's good advice, from Wikipedia's point of view. [[User:]] ( talk) 00:56, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks BronHiggs, I will take your advice very carefully. The amount of distortion of the truth in my case is incredibile. I make contributions on very difficult items, such as Intercultural Communication, being very careful to cite properly tens of different sources, and out of hundreds of contributions, they pick one and make it seem as the only one. Iams studying the rules about WP:HOUND WP:Wikihounding - repeatedly confronting or inhibiting another editor's work - since that is what they are doing, without any respect for the "need to know" of the community that uses wikipeda, and the values that generated it. This is with an apparent aim of creating irritation, annoyance or distress to the other editor. Wikihounding usually involves following the target from place to place on Wikipedia. (is considered a form of wiki bullying) -- Culturalresearch ( talk) 10:13, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:External links/Noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. MrOllie ( talk) 15:12, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at
Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved.
I made a post on ANI for the issue you contacted me on my talk page for. We still have many marketing articles that are very relevant and still marked as start-class articles.
You fix up a lot of marketing articles, but they're never moved up in class. So, please put your name under participants in
Wikipedia:WikiProject Marketing, which will be helpful because you work in marketing articles. Also, there isn't anyone else in the project that is as active as you are, so you really could try to keep all the marketing articles updated with the semi-active project. Once you are on the WikiProject Marketing participants list, please see
Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team and
Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Using the bot. The articles you contribute to usually should be C, B, or A class articles, but they're all start class because there's no one in the marketing project to tag them. Here's a list of top-importance start-class Wikipedia articles for marketing:
[1]. That's only if you want to keep doing that and not use the bot to fix the article rating. Article erating would require time because you've expanded so many articles, so if you want you can just go through your contributions page. And, if you want, you don't have to do this, because I can't tell you what to do. This would stop people from deleting external link sections you've added because you'd be doing something else. Happy editing,
Adotchar|
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Perhaps you missed my comments about it [2]. I haven't looked closely, but it appears to be an article written by Hairong Li in 2007 when he owned the domain. I can't understand why you think it is "A useful outline of media planning decisions written by expert media planners and intended for a practitioner audience, published by the Advertising Media Organisation" [3]. Who are these "expert media planners" other than Li and who is the "Advertising Media Organisation" other than whoever currently hosts the article? -- Ronz ( talk) 17:49, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
Ronz You have already deleted the link to the article, just as you have followed me around Wikipedia in order to delete all external links on almost every article that I have ever worked on. Insisting that I provide an explanation for something that you have already deleted, is nothing short of hounding/ harrassment, is disruptive and unwelcome. WP:HOUND WP:Wikihounding WP:HARASS WP:BADGER Please do not contact me again over this matter. BronHiggs ( talk) 21:46, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
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frankly you've done a great job of taking the article on Consumer Behaviour from - this version in September to a recent version -- double in size, many more references, better organization, so good job BronHiggs. --Tomwsulcer (talk) 11:22, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
Another comment Hey
BronHiggs I briefly looked over your contributions in marketing, particularly the article on
Consumer Behaviour and your work is impressive -- you're a good editor here, talented, and have made a positive contribution. On the Consumer Behaviour article, it went from 56K to 109K with many more references, good ones, like Kotler etc, and the article is more intelligible overall (a problem with much business writing is that it quickly gets dry and vague -- it is really difficult to write in a way to make ideas vivid). And this is largely your work -- great job. So please -- all power to you, go ahead and fix up these articles as you see fit. If you run into problems, write something on my talk page, and I'll try to help out.--
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Thank you very much for effort to retain Vision_vs._Mission article! I studied this topic thoroughly and know it's importance. fivetrees ( talk) 22:22, 22 April 2017 (UTC) |
I apologize that I don't have time to go back through our interactions to see what was said and where it was left. However, continued comments like this are not a solution to the content dispute nor the personal dispute. Please follow WP:DR and focus on content. If you believe the personal dispute needs its own resolution, I'm willing to participate in mediation or something similar. -- Ronz ( talk) 14:48, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
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I read your main page and I thought this welcoming pic of Newbie Hall was appropriate. Thank you for helping. You do realise that you are encouraging new editors? Oh well - someone has to break the mold. Thanks Victuallers ( talk) 16:14, 8 May 2017 (UTC) |
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Thanks for your welcoming of a new user. Your words are likely to inspire this student to go from someone with an unusual task to do for university into an open education convert and Wikipedian..... and we could do a few more of those. Victuallers ( talk) 09:00, 10 May 2017 (UTC) |
Victuallers I am happy to help out with those who genuinely want to contribute. As for converting this student or indeed, any new user into a Wikipedian, I am afraid that I am much more cynical. Wikipedia has no problem attracting new editors, they just don't stick around for long. Unfortunately there are a number of organised groups of very aggressive bullies who rely on intimidation tactics to enforce their unjustified deletionist activities. Within a matter of months, most newbies encounter these people - and there is nothing that can be done - they are not interested in evidence-based arguments, but instead twist and contort policies and rely on their 'gang' to claim "consensus" without having to advance any real arguments in support of their various agendas. And, woe betide any editor who does not accept their consensus as legitimate - they will be stalked, harrassed and bullied into submission in order for the deletionists to impose their will. Most newbies are totally unprepared for the level of hostility and aggression that occurs daily on WP. Very few editors know how to handle these guys, so they just give up and quit. BronHiggs ( talk) 09:42, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
I can't point to anything specific; it just seems promotional throughout, though that might be due to the article being about a promotional campaign. Trivialist ( talk) 01:47, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
@ Trivialist: Yes, the article is about an advertising campaign. However, it uses high quality references for all factual claims. Any material about the campaign specifics that is likely to be controversial - such as objectives etc are in quotation marks and properly attributed in order to distance the article writer from the content. We might take issue with a claim that the campaign was deemed successful, but is factual to state that the campaign was "deemed to be successful by the Wall Street Journal" or that the campaign "won specified awards." The article contains some 20 references, and only two are to the company website. Most references are to daily press such as the Wall Street Journal and trade press such as AdAge. This particular campaign has been extensively canvassed in the press and in trade news. It is widely written up as a case study for use in universities and colleges, where it is seen as an exemplar of customised communications strategy. It would be a shame to delete the entire article simply because it is about an advertising campaign. Unless, you can point to specific issues that are of concern, would you mind removing the tag? Thank-you. BronHiggs ( talk) 02:04, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
@ Ronz: My major problem with the Marketing research page is that unsupported claims were made about Arthur Nielsen's role as a key player in establishing and entire research industry. That claim, which is unsourced and highly dubious, simply cannot be supported by the copious amounts of evidence provided on the talk page of that article. The Share a Coke article throws up an entirely different set of issues. As far as I can work out, you do not like the Share a Coke article because you do not approve of its structure which you believe to be reminiscent of a creative brief, and you have also made unsubstantiated claims that the article has a preponderance of primary sources (a claim which incidentally cannot be supported by a simple check of the reference list and a tally of the types of sources). If you wish to revert the article back to the time before I started editing, be my guest. I have suddenly lost interest in it, just as I am rapidly losing interest in Wikipedia. Incidentally, it had been my intention to rework the history section of the Marketing research article, but since I was targeted by you and your friends, I have given up making subsantive changes to articles and now confine myself to wiki tweaks. BronHiggs ( talk) 00:03, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
I'm going to hold off on responding to your comment [6] in the hope that you'll remove or rewrite it. I hope that you'll consider doing so, and appreciate that I'm doing this in an attempt to de-escalate the situation. -- Ronz ( talk) 18:07, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
As I said, it is now time for me to take another break from Wikipedia. I have documented all your reversions, comments etc on articles that I have worked on for the past few months - and it really is quite a substantial listing indicating real persistence of effort. I had hoped that after taking a little rest from editing, you would turn your attention to someone else. Clearly that is not the case and you have now resumed your former activities. How that de-escalates the situation simply defies comprehension. BronHiggs ( talk) 00:21, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
Hi BronHiggs. I believe @ EdJohnston: pinged me to a page involving you a while back, because of your interest in marketing/advertising topics. I started Wikipedia:WikiProject Marketing & Advertising and have contributed to several related articles like History of public relations. Though I am in law school now, my background was originally in public relations. Generally the work I do on Wikipedia now is bringing articles up to Good Article status for pay. For example, at Talk:Taboola I have disclosed a conflict of interest on the Talk page and shared a draft that I think is far superior to the current page. Because of my conflict of interest, Wikipedia requires that I find an editor un-affiliated with the company interested in reviewing and approving my work. I thought because of your interest in marketing/advertising topics, you might have an interest in taking a look at the proposed article on this content advertising company? It is rare to find anyone on Wikipedia with an interest in marketing/advertising as an actual subject of Wikipedia pages, so you were top-of-mind. CorporateM ( Talk) 15:27, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
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Please stop your edit warring and join the discussion. I'd offered to leave the article to you, but you declined. Now I've started working on it and your reverts are disruptive. Yes, it needs work. Are you interested in working on it now? -- Ronz ( talk) 00:11, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
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Not sure what you thought was being deleted here, I was moving "prices are commonly set by bargaining" out of the etymology section because it had nothing to do with etymology, and adding a couple of lines about dates and souqs being covered markets, as the lead section didn't seem like it was actually saying much. -- Gapfall ( talk) 09:19, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
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[ [14]] It is a minor issue, and I agree that "for" and "that refers to" mean the same thing, but why use three words when one is sufficient? Thanks! Volunteer1234 ( talk) 14:40, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
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For your work on marketing-related articles. Good luck in the future. Adotchar| reply here 00:42, 21 October 2017 (UTC) |
How was that vandalism? Please explain. I was merely trying to clean up the list, as I thought listing the same phrase twice wasn't necessary. Sumanuil ( talk) 23:14, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
I did not add that. It was already there, and had been for months. See here, in a version from this May:[ [15]]. I merely tried to remove what looked like a redundant entry, as both 'flesh monger' links led to the same page. Sumanuil ( talk) 00:38, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
My apologies. By the way, I traced that little bit of vandalism all the way back to an edit made by User:Arcarius back in 2007, but it may go back further. Sumanuil ( talk) 01:00, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
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Hi BronHiggs,
I recently reverted your addition of the category Category:Services marketing to two articles, SEIU and public service. As far as I can tell, the category is (supposed to be?) about a particular kind of marketing that happens to involve services; while SEIU and public service both have "service" in their name, they don't have anything to do with marketing (e.g., the word "marketing" does not appear in either article). I am a bit skeptical of some of your other additions from the same batch, but I was less familiar with them so I didn't change anything. If you think I am mistaken, I'd be happy to discuss further.
All the best, JBL ( talk) 02:44, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
Wow -- really impressed with Positioning (marketing) -- such a great improvement over a while back.-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 01:05, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
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To BronHiggs for excellent work on Positioning (marketing). Super job!!! Tomwsulcer ( talk) 01:05, 24 February 2018 (UTC) |
Also, years back I heard a marketing lecture from a General Mills research executive. He took the structure of a definition and used it to illustrate the concept of market positioning, and showed how it could be a great conceptual approach for market positioning, to clarify one's thinking about a brand and how to market it. I gave a brief Toastmasters talk on it here if interested.-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 01:08, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
Over the past 6 months or so, I have spent a bit of time here and there, updating the Outline of marketing by adding relevant links, providing brief explanations of core concepts and organising the plethora of links into logical groupings with relevant headings and sub-headings. This has been an ongoing project and is far from complete. However, I only work on it, when I have some spare time.
I notice that you recently added a tag which stated, amongst other things, that "further improvements are on the way." I was wondering whether you have some specific plans in relation to updating or improving the Outline? If so, I will desist with my present plans and leave it to you. My feeling is that any page, such as this outline, will have the best possible outcome, if there is just one single vision for its overall structure and organisation.
One of the biggest challenges that I have encountered in the construction of this outline is the level of duplication of articles in the marketing area - i.e. articles with the identical/ similar content, but with different article titles. I have posted elsewhere including the marketing project page (with a long list of duplications), and on individual talk pages in relation to this level of duplication. However, as I search for relevant links to add to the Outline of marketing, more and more duplication becomes apparent. Just last week, for example, I found an article for Six Segment Analysis which is an inferior version of PEST analysis. Such is the culture at Wikipedia that there is a great deal of resistance to article mergers or article deletions, that any substantial reduction in the level of duplication is unlikely in the forseeable future. Therefore a key challenge is how to include duplicated articles, within a coherent and meaningful structure. BronHiggs ( talk) 01:45, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
Outlines are great organization and revision tools.
Technically, the outlines on Wikipedia are reverse outlines.
They show gaps and overlaps in the coverage, and can help to reorganize things in a more sensible way.
Merge tags should be placed in the duplicates you come across. Think of them as weeds. If somebody doesn't weed the garden from time to time, it'll get choked with weeds.
As for treating duplicates within an outline, I would simply leave them out or remove them.
I hope these comments help.
Sincerely, — The Transhumanist 02:12, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
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Thanks for your edit to Guildhall, Bath, however I'm having problems seeing how some of the wikilinks added in the see also section ( eg Guildhall School of Music and Drama, Hanseatic League etc are relevant to the Council Offices. I will trim them a bit.— Rod talk 08:59, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
Tiedeman Giese
The whole story takes place in Poland so Polish names should go first. And Chełmno was the original name, mot just "modern" like you insist.
Georg Giese
Royal Prussia was just a region of Poland, not even a province.
Poland was the country not "Prussia". Look it up.
Johann Ernst Gotzkowsky
"Original" suggests that Konitz was a city in the Kingdom of Prussia modernly Chojnice in Poland. Chojnice is the original name, the country was Poland and "Prussia" is misleading, because there were two Prussia's at the time.
More to come, happy editing
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Did you read the articles I recommended? Any more questions? In the future, however, try to be a little bit more self sufficient. Just a suggestion. Happy editing! Space Veteran ( talk) 16:09, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
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Hi Bron. Just wanted to clarify what was happening at the article. I am cleaning up Good Articles and came across this one. Not sure how familiar you are with the process, but this article was nominated in 2009 and passed. Here is the review Talk:Marketing performance measurement/GA1. To be fair it looked like this [16] when it was passed. An editor later decided that it shouldn't be a Good Article and removed the status [17]. I agree with them, but that is not how articles are delisted. Well it used to be, but now it is a bit more formal. We have a reassessment process. I reinstated the status and then started the reassessment process. I know it is a bit buercratic, but this way future editors can easily see what happens (it is listed under milestones) and it helps prevent edit warring over statuses. It also gives prospective editors something to work with. I want to thank you for your comments at the reassessment ( Talk:Marketing performance measurement/GA2). I added level three headers to your comment here as level two ones break the section. I will probably delist the article next week if there are no more comments. Hope this helps explain what was happening. AIRcorn (talk) 11:45, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
Please don't ever add biographies to Cat "Arabic art" - they go to "Arab artists", but ONLY if they have no sub-cat of that, like "Iraqi artists". See WP:OCAT. And get the live categories off your own sub-page. Put a : in them as in Category:Arab artists so they don't read through to the category. Johnbod ( talk) 03:52, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
Dear Bronwyn,
Thanks for your time, Bronwyn. (à propos: did you know, that "Bronwyn", pronounced "Brawnveen" is an Old Prussian name, somewhere from the "historical" region of
Bromberg).
PS. Don't patronize people concerning subjects you have microscopic knowledge about (History of Poland). Come to think of it: don't patronize anybody. Yours truly
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Thanks for responding, no need to apologize at all. I did notice that what you wrote in the summary was inconsistent with the action you took. I'm glad you had an opportunity to look at it before any changes were made. No problem at all. We all work on this together. PEACE! Gene Wilson ( talk) 00:29, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for creating Murad al-Daghistani, BronHiggs!
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Hello BronHiggs I've noted your excellent work on Iraqi artists and wondered if perhaps you might be able to help with the sourcing of Ali Adjalli. I don't want this request to come across as a form of canvassing. I don't know if your even interested in the deletion discussion, but perhaps you can help evaluate the sources? Thanks, -- Vexations ( talk) 13:45, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
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For your work on Ali Adjalli. Thanks. فرهنگ2016 ( talk) 06:36, 3 September 2018 (UTC) |
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Sorry again for removing all the city arcades from the disambiguation page, but they really don't belong there. If you'd like to keep this content, it looks like Lists of shopping malls and the pages linked from there would be the right place to add it. -- Fyrael ( talk) 14:23, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
I think I did mention in another discussion, but since that discussion was mainly about another article, I thought I'd start a new one before doing anything else to the article. The reason I decided to remove the paragraph was because I couldn't figure out what the son of "the son of KRON News Anchorman Art Brown" meant and the paragraph didn't seem very neutral for being in a biography of a living person. But while trying to find out what it meant, I noticed the same paragraph appeared on another website. I should have mentioned that in the edit summary, but I didn't (unless you take elsewhere as meaning "outside of Wikipedia"). I did mention it on the talk page though. Should I remove the paragraph again? I thought I'd mention this before editing it again. – Pretended leer { talk} 12:18, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
I have added the quotations from French's book to the proposed text. Can you please have a look at version 5 and comment in the discussion of the copyvio and clop claims. Thank you! Cinadon36 ( talk) 10:15, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
Hi Bron. I would like to invite you, when or if you have the time, to provide your opinion regarding a proposed edit at talk:EOKA. I have asked for some relevant quotes, including from Greek sources, so there is no rush to participate until the quotes are translated and analysed. Thank you. Dr. K. 08:46, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
Okay, that is another way of doing it, listing some businesses.
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I came to Wikipedia just a few weeks ago after noticing that a slew of text books (drafts) and journal articles (drafts) were confusing some foundation concepts - notably the 'evoked set' and the 'consideration set' - basic concepts in any course on Consumer Behaviour. I couldn't understand how so many prospective authors were getting it so wrong and decided to investigate. I soon found that several Marketing Tutor websites were printing notes with incorrect definitions, and also Wikipedia was using the incorrect definitions.
So, I wrote to the the Marketing Tutor companies - but they don't seem to be all that concerned. Then, I registered with Wikipedia and began correcting the material. Once I got into Wikipedia, I was shocked to find the poor state of the content on a number of Wiki pages in the marketing area - conceptually unsound, just plain wrong, misleading, unbalanced, unsourced, unfocussed, unstructured and so poorly written. So, I beavered away for several weeks and overhauled a number of pages in the marketing area.
In the process, I was very careful to try and rectify the contributions made by others. Wherever possible, I added references, edited the prose, attempted to integrate repetitive material with existing prose; moved prose to new sections where it could stand alone and when I had no choice but to delete, I tried to suggest another location for that material.
It was going OK until I had an unpleasant experience with an over-zealous editor who seems determined to delete any content that does not have his approval or fails to meet his high standards of excellence. He couches his concerns in terms of Wiki policies (e.g. inadequately referenced, unreliable reference, "editorialising"). After reversing out a few paragraphs that I thought were perfectly acceptable (and were properly referenced), I asked for an explanation. He offered an explanation that frankly made little sense, so I consulted the Wiki policies, sent him extracts of the relevant sections - but needless to say his objections to the deleted material morphed into new objections. Rather than engage with my counter-arguments (by, for example, showing me how I had misinterpreted WP's policies), he simply raised a whole new raft of objections.
After a bit of to and fro, his objections became more and more bizarre. He dropped the pretense of working around WP Policies. Instead, his new objections revolved his own personal likes and dislikes. He said that he did not like my "conversational tone" - that what I had written "trivialises the discipline", accuses me of "making it up" (in spite of three academic references) and finally dismissed me altogether by saying that "some content just doesn't belong on Wikipedia" and advising me to "get a book and work from that". I soon got the impression that he thinks he is the only arbiter of what is acceptable on Wikipedia, regardless of what the written policies actually say. (Actually, I also got the impression that he wasn't entirely certain as to why he was objecting - because the reasons were so fluid and often contradictory). The whole affair was very unpleasant.
I checked this person's editing history - and he is a "deleter" - reversing entries across multiple topic areas for many hours each day. I can only rarely see instances where he has actually added anything. He regularly comes into conflict with other editors whose prose he saw fit to delete for various reasons. He is a diminisher while many of us are contributors.
It's not worth going into battle over these things - let's face it, it is a voluntary role - and if you are not getting any satisfaction out of it - then it is time to quit. It should never become an annoyance. Life is too short to waste on 'anal' editors who appear to be carrying some sort of a vendetta against anyone who wants to actually contribute.
I was a marketing educator for 32 years, and before that worked in sales and marketing. I had a regular column for the Australian Marketing Magazine for many years and I continue to write a weekly blog on topical issues in marketing for one of the major international publishers of business texts. I also help young academics to improve their journal articles so that they can be published in A & B journals. I really know my stuff! And, I was prepared to share it with others via Wikipedia. Moreover, now that I am semi-retired, I have the time to devote to fixing some of the many marketing pages on Wiki; pages that are in very poor shape.
After my unfortunate experience, I will no longer be contributing to Wikipedia. So I want to say this to other editors. Please be extra careful about deleting content on a whim, or when you are in a bad mood. This action simply discourages others from contributing. When people make a contribution, for the main part, they do so in good faith. Always try to find a way to improve the material rather than just delete entire paragraphs or sections.
Here are a few suggestions (instead of hitting the delete button):
If you have a go at these things, it will help to improve your own writing and editing skills. Any improvement that you can make is preferable to simply deleting large slabs of text (especially when it is just because you don't like it).
If you really feel that you must delete, remember that lengthy deletions have the potential to leave large gaps on the page - which can result in the remaining material losing its context, reading in a jerky manner and without any sense of flow or purpose. If you must delete, can you replace the content with something that is acceptable so that the prose on the page still works as a coherent, integrated whole (and not just an itemised list of dot points)?
Wikipedia needs a lot of help to get the marketing pages into good shape. Please don't be a diminisher. Please try to be a builder! BronHiggs ( talk) 11:41, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for sharing the list of editing suggestions with citations to
Marketing research. That is an amazing list. Books have been written based on that kind of research.
If you pulled all this from a bibliography of a book then thanks. If this is your own original compilation then that is amazing. This kind of insight is uncommon anywhere and very rare to see proposed on Wikipedia. Blue Rasberry (talk) 03:15, 27 October 2016 (UTC) |
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Thanks. Adotchar| reply here 21:56, 31 October 2016 (UTC) |
Go to this link for a short list of articles to fix up: https://tools.wmflabs.org/enwp10/cgi-bin/list2.fcgi?run=yes&projecta=Marketing_%26_Advertising&importance=Top-Class&quality=Stub-Class We really need someone to at least get them to C-Class articles. They're stub class, the lowest. Adotchar| reply here 09:45, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
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Thank you for fixing up a lot of marketing related articles, and making the topic much better. Adotchar| reply here 22:13, 3 November 2016 (UTC) |
CaroleHenson (talk) 05:25, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
Hello,
Well, we're on a good roll!
A couple of reminders, so that we can track the conversations:
Thanks so much!-- CaroleHenson (talk) 05:55, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
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Thanks for sticking at it, it's a shame your initial experience was bad but it's good to see all the work you've done on marketing articles. jcc ( tea and biscuits) 17:16, 6 November 2016 (UTC) |
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As mentioned on the talk page, I set up User:BronHiggs/Positioning (marketing) for you.
Pro: That way you can use that space to develop the article and don't have to worry about having posted content that is not yet fully developed, has formatting issues or errors, etc. And, because it's not going into article space, you're not likely going to get comments along the way, unless you ask for them. Then, when the article is ready, it can be moved into article space. It will take a lot of pressure off of you, if you'd like to do it that way.
Con: You won't have people coming in and asking questions and making edits, which could help further it along faster.
If you don't want to use a sandbox, then the {{ under construction}} tag should remain, unless you can ensure that you're not introducing errors and are inserting "ready for prime time" content.
Does that make sense?-- CaroleHenson (talk) 22:14, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
But it takes time, and may require several passes.It's not a right or wrong, it's another option.
...Sit back for a bit, have a brew and remember that WP is a big place with a lot of people involved in it. You are going to have things reverted at some point - we all do, even after we have been here a while - but you can learn from it. Happen I think that your enthusiasm could be very beneficial to the project and I would urge you to persevere. Things do eventually fall into place. My suspicion is that one of the problems at the moment is that your enthusiasm is slightly misguided: this is normal
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Thanks for trying Wikipedia. I appreciate the information you shared but your experience of finding Wikipedia toxic is a common sentiment. There is a steep learning curve and definitely a lot of people do not enjoy being here. If you are not enjoying by now, then your intuition that your time is better spent elsewhere is probably correct. I wish you could stay but I cannot promise a different response than you have already received.
I regret the negative experience you had and am sorry that the community here is unable to be more welcoming. Maybe some day! I regret the loss of your attention, but thanks for what you have already done. I removed that mentorship request that I posted to seek support for you. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:14, 10 November 2016 (UTC) |
Hi there. You left a couple of notes on my talk page regarding some copyright violations to this page; I just checked, and I've made a total of one edit to that page, back in October 2010, and it was a revert of a blanking. I think you missed the contributor you were targeting. Could you maybe take a look at that, please? Tony Fox (arf!) 05:08, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
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Dear Bronwyn, Another user has notified my that you have marked a set of Wikipedia articles, all around 10 years old, for deletion. It appears that you have seached for all references to McNair and myself, and tagged these for deletion. One of these is an obituary for a well known father of our industry. Your actions appear vexatious. We have not used Wikipedia in many years, and need time to get help in defending ourselves.
Could you email me personally at matt@mcnair.com.au to tell me who put you up to this attack. It is not about editing, it is contrary to the spirit of Wikipedia, and we are making inquiries as to whether this constitutes online harrassement. Mpbalogh ( talk) 06:21, 20 November 2016 (UTC) |
Complaint Made | |
Bronwyn, I have lodged a complaint with Wikpedia. Mpbalogh ( talk) 06:58, 20 November 2016 (UTC) |
Best you check in at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Fake_Editor_BronHiggs_actually_targeting_people_and_organisations to see what's up. -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 07:31, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
The reason your reports keep disappearing from the page is because the individual pages for each date are transcluded onto the main page. For this reason, if you are looking at a cached version of the page, you won't see everything. I have now consolidated all your reports about Marketing and History of marketing on the subpage Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2016 November 20. If you find anything else to report about these two articles, please add them to the report at Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2016 November 20 instead of adding and re-adding to random places. Thanks, — Diannaa 🍁 ( talk) 19:37, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
talk Noted, with thanks. BronHiggs ( talk) 19:45, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
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Hi Bron, I had to get rid of one of your edits. Normally I would conduct this via email, but you don't seem to have that enabled. You can contact me at wikiwikiwoo1221 at gmail if you want to know more. Someguy1221 ([[User talk:|talk]]) 22:30, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
If we stick with facts, and avoid personal comments or conjecture about someone's motivation, we'll get a lot further. I have never found that assuming good faith has let me down (i.e., there still may be differences of opinion, but assuming good motivation doesn't make that worse).
I have asked for very specific feedback about what in the E. Jerome McCarthy article you think needs to be changed and what source backs up the change. Doing that would be very helpful.-- CaroleHenson (talk) 19:22, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
I have posted a request for a third party opinion at Wikipedia:Third opinion. A summary of the issue is at the bottom of the Talk:E. Jerome McCarthy page.-- CaroleHenson (talk) 11:01, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
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Please help me with the article on Mass market which really needs to be deleted because (a) it is redundant and (b) it is conceptually unsound, factually incorrect and uses a bogus reference and (c)every single sentence contains problems (d) it cannot be redeemed with more/better references. I posted a detailed commentary on this article some time ago, after being invited to try and fix it, but my advice was that it could not be fixed. Nothing has happened since then. On most marketing pages, it is about 6-8 years between comments on Talk pages. This page is so bad and so misleading that it should not be allowed to stand for a further 8 years.
BronHiggs ( talk) 21:13, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
In case anyone comes to your talk page and is curious about a recent complaint about your edits, I thought it could be worth linking to WP:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive939#Fake Editor BronHiggs actually targeting people and organisations. The closure by User:Kuru was "Inflammatory drive-by accusation with no response to requested clarification." It sounds like that complaint was dismissed with no action.
I saw your request at Wikipedia:Help desk#Proposal to consolidate articles in the marketing communications/ advertising subject area. Your attempt seems to be a worthwhile effort. We don't have a lot of volunteers to work on these articles. User:CorporateM is one of the few people I know of who has put energy into improving business-related articles, but I'm sure there must be others.
If you have time, it could be worthwhile to try to take one of these articles through the WP:GA process. This is a chance to get feedback on your work, and could help to cure the problem you mention, that somebody comes to the article talk page very rarely. Also, if you succeed in getting something made a Good Article that confers a certain credibility. Then you may get less pushback on your other work. (Some Good Articles in the area of Economics and Business are listed at WP:Good articles/Social sciences and society#Economics and business. They include 13 articles about advertising and marketing). Thanks, EdJohnston ( talk) 17:16, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for your suggestion about Good Articles. I am afraid that I don't have the temperament or interest in admin to be willing to go through that type of process. My primary interest has been to improve the substantive content of the many marketing and advertising articles that are fundamentally flawed. I have only been on Wikipedia for about 6 weeks, and it has been a painful journey so far.
However, I have learned that there are two types of article in the marketing area - those that are heavily patrolled and where all new content is rejected almost immediately and those that articles that are largely ignored. After having a lot of content challenged in the first couple of weeks, I now focus all my effort on articles where there is very little editing action.
So far, I have made reasonable progress and have completely restructured and expanded the articles on Market segmentation, Brand awareness, Consumer behaviour, Australian Market and Social Research Society Limited; have saved the bio of E. Jerome McCarthy from being deleted, and am nearing completion with a revamp of Advertising management. I was also invited to have a look at 6 or 8 shorter articles to see if they could be lifted to at least "C" class - and if those articles could be redeemed, I have reworked the content. On other pages where I have encountered excessive and intransigent resistance to even small changes, I have posted extensive editing suggestions on discussion pages, sometimes including detailed content with references so that other braver editors can consider adding worthwhile content to the article. These include Positioning (marketing), Marketing research, Marketing and other smaller articles.
The amount of duplication of articles on Wikipedia defies comprehension. We not only have separate articles on market segmentation and positioning, but there is also a combined article on Segmenting and positioning. As mentioned in the post to which you refer, considerable duplication is also apparent in the areas of advertising, marketing communications and promotion. Extensive duplication is also evident in articles dealing with advertising media.
A number of articles in the marketing area are incomprehensible. [Marketing communications]] and Integrated marketing communications are two such examples. Despite their representing duplication, and in spite of their incomprehensible style of writing, there is enormous resistance to merging or deleting. It is difficult to understand how these articles could be useful to anyone, except as examples of how NOT to write!
I am confident that the articles I have restructured represent a thousand-fold improvement on what was originally there - and some of these such as Brand awareness, Consumer behaviour and Market segmentation represent the foundations of contemporary marketing. I have no doubt that some Wiki editors will find that they still fail the 'encyclopedic' test and are much in need of further 'Wikification'. I will leave it to other editors to 'wikify' the content. My mission has been to correct factual and conceptual errors, redress glaring omissions, maintain a strong focus on the core topic, ensure that complex concepts are explained simply and clearly with references to high quality sources, wherever possible develop diagrams and tables that help to explain complex concepts and generally make these articles more useful to users. I believe that this type of work makes the best use of my skills. (Admin was never my strong suit.) But I have my work cut out with these endeavours and simply have neither the time, nor the inclination to take up an administrative burden such as going through one of WP's GA process.
It was very kind of you to make this suggestion. It is a most welcome suggestion in an environment that is all too often harshly critical and dismissive. It's good to know that some editors are interested in trying to improve the state of affairs. Regards. BronHiggs ( talk) 23:30, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
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Hi BronHiggs.
Sorry if some things are a bit dispiriting at times. From my perspective as a journeyman editor / wikipedia observer...
I came to Wikipedia in October, 2016. My self-imposed mission was to correct fundamental flaws in a number of marketing articles. In the space of just three months, I have worked every single day (from between 4 and 12 hours daily) and completely overhauled a number of articles, by imposing a conceptual framework and adding substantive content:
[Deleted article titles, due to a group of vindictive editninjas WP:EDITNINJAS following me around with a view to deleting content]
I would have liked to overhaul the following, but these pages are so heavily patrolled by editors exhibiting Ownership behaviours that my initial attempts to be Bold were rejected within minutes and I abandoned all hope of improving these articles. Instead, I have left detailed commentary on specific errors and suggestions, in the form of a plan with recommended headings and sub-headings, for a revised article
Articles that should be deleted due to misleading/ inaccurate content'
I have also identifed pages that are so problematic or misleading that they really should be deleted as soon as practical (see article's talk page for reasons), including:
Articles that duplicate other articles
I have also identified many pages that replicate content/ concepts that are well covered in other articles. I asked for some assistance in relation to this on Wiki Help desk, but my query was ignored. The amount of replication on Wikipedia almost defies comprehension, but for the record here are a few samples of articles that canvass the same material organised into groups
Group One: Segmentation
Group two: Positioning
To avoid this ongoing duplication of articles, the entire marketing project really needs to have a strong framework. See, for example, the psychology sidebar Psychology sidebar (just put it inside double brackets {{..}} to view) which clearly shows how concepts and branches of psychology ar inter-related and where articles fit. Part of the problem is that many of the articles start out with very poor definitions of the topic - and this sets the stage for random subject matter to be added to the article. In addition, pages that are unfocussed also lead to the desire to create new articles with a better focus. For example, the article on Advertising is an uncomfortable blend of socio-historical issues and advertising practice - but very strongly weighted towards history and social criticisms. The fact that this article included some theory of advertising along with this management advice led one editor to decide to start his own article on History of advertising - so now in effect, Wikipedia has two different articles on the history of advertising. Vigilance of new and developing articles should monitor the quality of definitions and should also make an effort to evaluate how well the article's content focuses on core themes.
During my time on Wikipedia, I have been bullied, harrassed and hounded. I have been given appalling advice and had some unfathomable work rules imposed by various editors (none of it backed by any policy). At least three different editors informed me that subject matter experts should refrain from editing in their subject areas and should ONLY make edits outside their subject area. One editor, who was a real bully, continually tried to impose work rules on me. For example she insisted most persistently, that all new content had to be developed in the Sandbox where it was to be perfected, before being uploaded to the Talk page for discussion and only after it had consensus approval could it be added to the article (and since it looks like talk pages in the marketing area are consulted once in every 8-10 years, this advice was clearly designed to lead me to a dead-end). In her words, nothing should go into the article until it was ready for prime-time display. She also insisted that I clean up the expression and grammar in an article before adding new content, even when it was clear that some of the pre-existing content had to be deleted - it apparently needed to be clean before deletion. She followed me around Wikipedia, continually commenting on edits, tagging edits and sending me up to 7 mini-lectures each day on my sins (real and imagined). I won't bother detailing all the other rules and advice that she tried to impose. I had a hard time shaking her off.
And, now the last straw is the battle with the so-called Wikpedia External Links Project, whose stated intention is to 'improve the quality of external links', but judging by their actions is actually a front for the real agenda which is the 'total eradication of all external links'. I find their actions to be dishonest and completely out of line with the spirit of the guidelines on external links.
I have sucessfully discussed deletion decisions with several external links deleter types - in an effort to reinstate links to journals and professional associations - they have suggested a range of strategies
But it actually doesn't matter what I do, in a matter of days, another editor will come along and delete the entire "External Links" section. Their concerted action and peristence, combined with the patent dishonesty behind their actions, is too much. From the outsett, I found the Wikipedia culture oppressive, confusing and contradictory, but somehow found a way to clean up articles without drawing too much attention to myself. But these 'External links' editors are just randomly looking for articles to attack - and for many of them - the only editing they do is deleting external links and writing to people asking them to stop adding external links. This is the straw that broke the camel's back. I simply cannot stand it any more.
BronHiggs ( talk) 21:23, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
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Throughout all your work here, you tried, and people have tried, for some reason, to stop you, and you fixed a large amount of articles that would be so much worse without you. Goodbye. Adotchar| reply here 22:38, 5 January 2017 (UTC) |
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Hey good idea to work on this. I agree the articles are often redundant, often poorly written, sometimes overly academic-sounding and packed with jargon, but you're clearly a talented contributor and I urge you to proceed, particularly with corralling the articles into a sensible arrangement overall. If you run into problems (invariably you will -- expect this, most contributors who've been here a while will tell you this) write on my talk page, please keep it brief exactly what the problem is with a diff, and I'll try to help if I have time.-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 13:47, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
First of all, I want to send you a big big big thank you for fixing my article! Thank you, thank you so much! I'm really appreciated it!
About the arson case, she actually burnt the guy's mansion because she was angry about him cheating on her, and also because she was drunk. So they later charged her for first-degree arson and took her to a rehab felicity for having been drunk. That was what I meant to say, sorry for misinterpreting it, I just wanted to sum it up as briefly as possible. Can you please help me rewrite the line? Thank you ♥ Beyoncetan ( talk) 09:42, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
Hi BronHiggs. I am a passionate wikipedia contributor on areas of social science, marketing and communication (writing from Italy), and I am a victim too, of massive deletes from MrOllie, who just looked for ALL of my contributions to wikipedia in English in a work of 2 years, and canceled them, without any regard to quality and credibility and usefulness of the contribution. They were all specific contributions citing published research and literature. I am an author of books and my work has been quoted all over the globe, I wonder how it is possible to defend ourselves against this type of behavior that destroys not only specific pages but the overall mission of wikipedia. If you have any idea I will be more that happy to discuss it-- Culturalresearch ( talk) 08:25, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
Did you just advise an editor who added Amazon links for his self-published books to multiple articles to continue doing so on less well-patrolled pages? I'm not sure that's good advice, from Wikipedia's point of view. [[User:]] ( talk) 00:56, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks BronHiggs, I will take your advice very carefully. The amount of distortion of the truth in my case is incredibile. I make contributions on very difficult items, such as Intercultural Communication, being very careful to cite properly tens of different sources, and out of hundreds of contributions, they pick one and make it seem as the only one. Iams studying the rules about WP:HOUND WP:Wikihounding - repeatedly confronting or inhibiting another editor's work - since that is what they are doing, without any respect for the "need to know" of the community that uses wikipeda, and the values that generated it. This is with an apparent aim of creating irritation, annoyance or distress to the other editor. Wikihounding usually involves following the target from place to place on Wikipedia. (is considered a form of wiki bullying) -- Culturalresearch ( talk) 10:13, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:External links/Noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. MrOllie ( talk) 15:12, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at
Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved.
I made a post on ANI for the issue you contacted me on my talk page for. We still have many marketing articles that are very relevant and still marked as start-class articles.
You fix up a lot of marketing articles, but they're never moved up in class. So, please put your name under participants in
Wikipedia:WikiProject Marketing, which will be helpful because you work in marketing articles. Also, there isn't anyone else in the project that is as active as you are, so you really could try to keep all the marketing articles updated with the semi-active project. Once you are on the WikiProject Marketing participants list, please see
Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team and
Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Using the bot. The articles you contribute to usually should be C, B, or A class articles, but they're all start class because there's no one in the marketing project to tag them. Here's a list of top-importance start-class Wikipedia articles for marketing:
[1]. That's only if you want to keep doing that and not use the bot to fix the article rating. Article erating would require time because you've expanded so many articles, so if you want you can just go through your contributions page. And, if you want, you don't have to do this, because I can't tell you what to do. This would stop people from deleting external link sections you've added because you'd be doing something else. Happy editing,
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Perhaps you missed my comments about it [2]. I haven't looked closely, but it appears to be an article written by Hairong Li in 2007 when he owned the domain. I can't understand why you think it is "A useful outline of media planning decisions written by expert media planners and intended for a practitioner audience, published by the Advertising Media Organisation" [3]. Who are these "expert media planners" other than Li and who is the "Advertising Media Organisation" other than whoever currently hosts the article? -- Ronz ( talk) 17:49, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
Ronz You have already deleted the link to the article, just as you have followed me around Wikipedia in order to delete all external links on almost every article that I have ever worked on. Insisting that I provide an explanation for something that you have already deleted, is nothing short of hounding/ harrassment, is disruptive and unwelcome. WP:HOUND WP:Wikihounding WP:HARASS WP:BADGER Please do not contact me again over this matter. BronHiggs ( talk) 21:46, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
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frankly you've done a great job of taking the article on Consumer Behaviour from - this version in September to a recent version -- double in size, many more references, better organization, so good job BronHiggs. --Tomwsulcer (talk) 11:22, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
Another comment Hey
BronHiggs I briefly looked over your contributions in marketing, particularly the article on
Consumer Behaviour and your work is impressive -- you're a good editor here, talented, and have made a positive contribution. On the Consumer Behaviour article, it went from 56K to 109K with many more references, good ones, like Kotler etc, and the article is more intelligible overall (a problem with much business writing is that it quickly gets dry and vague -- it is really difficult to write in a way to make ideas vivid). And this is largely your work -- great job. So please -- all power to you, go ahead and fix up these articles as you see fit. If you run into problems, write something on my talk page, and I'll try to help out.--
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Thank you very much for effort to retain Vision_vs._Mission article! I studied this topic thoroughly and know it's importance. fivetrees ( talk) 22:22, 22 April 2017 (UTC) |
I apologize that I don't have time to go back through our interactions to see what was said and where it was left. However, continued comments like this are not a solution to the content dispute nor the personal dispute. Please follow WP:DR and focus on content. If you believe the personal dispute needs its own resolution, I'm willing to participate in mediation or something similar. -- Ronz ( talk) 14:48, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
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I read your main page and I thought this welcoming pic of Newbie Hall was appropriate. Thank you for helping. You do realise that you are encouraging new editors? Oh well - someone has to break the mold. Thanks Victuallers ( talk) 16:14, 8 May 2017 (UTC) |
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Thanks for your welcoming of a new user. Your words are likely to inspire this student to go from someone with an unusual task to do for university into an open education convert and Wikipedian..... and we could do a few more of those. Victuallers ( talk) 09:00, 10 May 2017 (UTC) |
Victuallers I am happy to help out with those who genuinely want to contribute. As for converting this student or indeed, any new user into a Wikipedian, I am afraid that I am much more cynical. Wikipedia has no problem attracting new editors, they just don't stick around for long. Unfortunately there are a number of organised groups of very aggressive bullies who rely on intimidation tactics to enforce their unjustified deletionist activities. Within a matter of months, most newbies encounter these people - and there is nothing that can be done - they are not interested in evidence-based arguments, but instead twist and contort policies and rely on their 'gang' to claim "consensus" without having to advance any real arguments in support of their various agendas. And, woe betide any editor who does not accept their consensus as legitimate - they will be stalked, harrassed and bullied into submission in order for the deletionists to impose their will. Most newbies are totally unprepared for the level of hostility and aggression that occurs daily on WP. Very few editors know how to handle these guys, so they just give up and quit. BronHiggs ( talk) 09:42, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
I can't point to anything specific; it just seems promotional throughout, though that might be due to the article being about a promotional campaign. Trivialist ( talk) 01:47, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
@ Trivialist: Yes, the article is about an advertising campaign. However, it uses high quality references for all factual claims. Any material about the campaign specifics that is likely to be controversial - such as objectives etc are in quotation marks and properly attributed in order to distance the article writer from the content. We might take issue with a claim that the campaign was deemed successful, but is factual to state that the campaign was "deemed to be successful by the Wall Street Journal" or that the campaign "won specified awards." The article contains some 20 references, and only two are to the company website. Most references are to daily press such as the Wall Street Journal and trade press such as AdAge. This particular campaign has been extensively canvassed in the press and in trade news. It is widely written up as a case study for use in universities and colleges, where it is seen as an exemplar of customised communications strategy. It would be a shame to delete the entire article simply because it is about an advertising campaign. Unless, you can point to specific issues that are of concern, would you mind removing the tag? Thank-you. BronHiggs ( talk) 02:04, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
@ Ronz: My major problem with the Marketing research page is that unsupported claims were made about Arthur Nielsen's role as a key player in establishing and entire research industry. That claim, which is unsourced and highly dubious, simply cannot be supported by the copious amounts of evidence provided on the talk page of that article. The Share a Coke article throws up an entirely different set of issues. As far as I can work out, you do not like the Share a Coke article because you do not approve of its structure which you believe to be reminiscent of a creative brief, and you have also made unsubstantiated claims that the article has a preponderance of primary sources (a claim which incidentally cannot be supported by a simple check of the reference list and a tally of the types of sources). If you wish to revert the article back to the time before I started editing, be my guest. I have suddenly lost interest in it, just as I am rapidly losing interest in Wikipedia. Incidentally, it had been my intention to rework the history section of the Marketing research article, but since I was targeted by you and your friends, I have given up making subsantive changes to articles and now confine myself to wiki tweaks. BronHiggs ( talk) 00:03, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
I'm going to hold off on responding to your comment [6] in the hope that you'll remove or rewrite it. I hope that you'll consider doing so, and appreciate that I'm doing this in an attempt to de-escalate the situation. -- Ronz ( talk) 18:07, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
As I said, it is now time for me to take another break from Wikipedia. I have documented all your reversions, comments etc on articles that I have worked on for the past few months - and it really is quite a substantial listing indicating real persistence of effort. I had hoped that after taking a little rest from editing, you would turn your attention to someone else. Clearly that is not the case and you have now resumed your former activities. How that de-escalates the situation simply defies comprehension. BronHiggs ( talk) 00:21, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
Hi BronHiggs. I believe @ EdJohnston: pinged me to a page involving you a while back, because of your interest in marketing/advertising topics. I started Wikipedia:WikiProject Marketing & Advertising and have contributed to several related articles like History of public relations. Though I am in law school now, my background was originally in public relations. Generally the work I do on Wikipedia now is bringing articles up to Good Article status for pay. For example, at Talk:Taboola I have disclosed a conflict of interest on the Talk page and shared a draft that I think is far superior to the current page. Because of my conflict of interest, Wikipedia requires that I find an editor un-affiliated with the company interested in reviewing and approving my work. I thought because of your interest in marketing/advertising topics, you might have an interest in taking a look at the proposed article on this content advertising company? It is rare to find anyone on Wikipedia with an interest in marketing/advertising as an actual subject of Wikipedia pages, so you were top-of-mind. CorporateM ( Talk) 15:27, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
Please do not remove content from pages on Wikipedia without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. Thank you. [11] [12].
Please stop your edit warring and join the discussion. I'd offered to leave the article to you, but you declined. Now I've started working on it and your reverts are disruptive. Yes, it needs work. Are you interested in working on it now? -- Ronz ( talk) 00:11, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
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Not sure what you thought was being deleted here, I was moving "prices are commonly set by bargaining" out of the etymology section because it had nothing to do with etymology, and adding a couple of lines about dates and souqs being covered markets, as the lead section didn't seem like it was actually saying much. -- Gapfall ( talk) 09:19, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
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[ [14]] It is a minor issue, and I agree that "for" and "that refers to" mean the same thing, but why use three words when one is sufficient? Thanks! Volunteer1234 ( talk) 14:40, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
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For your work on marketing-related articles. Good luck in the future. Adotchar| reply here 00:42, 21 October 2017 (UTC) |
How was that vandalism? Please explain. I was merely trying to clean up the list, as I thought listing the same phrase twice wasn't necessary. Sumanuil ( talk) 23:14, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
I did not add that. It was already there, and had been for months. See here, in a version from this May:[ [15]]. I merely tried to remove what looked like a redundant entry, as both 'flesh monger' links led to the same page. Sumanuil ( talk) 00:38, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
My apologies. By the way, I traced that little bit of vandalism all the way back to an edit made by User:Arcarius back in 2007, but it may go back further. Sumanuil ( talk) 01:00, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
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Hi BronHiggs,
I recently reverted your addition of the category Category:Services marketing to two articles, SEIU and public service. As far as I can tell, the category is (supposed to be?) about a particular kind of marketing that happens to involve services; while SEIU and public service both have "service" in their name, they don't have anything to do with marketing (e.g., the word "marketing" does not appear in either article). I am a bit skeptical of some of your other additions from the same batch, but I was less familiar with them so I didn't change anything. If you think I am mistaken, I'd be happy to discuss further.
All the best, JBL ( talk) 02:44, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
Wow -- really impressed with Positioning (marketing) -- such a great improvement over a while back.-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 01:05, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
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To BronHiggs for excellent work on Positioning (marketing). Super job!!! Tomwsulcer ( talk) 01:05, 24 February 2018 (UTC) |
Also, years back I heard a marketing lecture from a General Mills research executive. He took the structure of a definition and used it to illustrate the concept of market positioning, and showed how it could be a great conceptual approach for market positioning, to clarify one's thinking about a brand and how to market it. I gave a brief Toastmasters talk on it here if interested.-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 01:08, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
Over the past 6 months or so, I have spent a bit of time here and there, updating the Outline of marketing by adding relevant links, providing brief explanations of core concepts and organising the plethora of links into logical groupings with relevant headings and sub-headings. This has been an ongoing project and is far from complete. However, I only work on it, when I have some spare time.
I notice that you recently added a tag which stated, amongst other things, that "further improvements are on the way." I was wondering whether you have some specific plans in relation to updating or improving the Outline? If so, I will desist with my present plans and leave it to you. My feeling is that any page, such as this outline, will have the best possible outcome, if there is just one single vision for its overall structure and organisation.
One of the biggest challenges that I have encountered in the construction of this outline is the level of duplication of articles in the marketing area - i.e. articles with the identical/ similar content, but with different article titles. I have posted elsewhere including the marketing project page (with a long list of duplications), and on individual talk pages in relation to this level of duplication. However, as I search for relevant links to add to the Outline of marketing, more and more duplication becomes apparent. Just last week, for example, I found an article for Six Segment Analysis which is an inferior version of PEST analysis. Such is the culture at Wikipedia that there is a great deal of resistance to article mergers or article deletions, that any substantial reduction in the level of duplication is unlikely in the forseeable future. Therefore a key challenge is how to include duplicated articles, within a coherent and meaningful structure. BronHiggs ( talk) 01:45, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
Outlines are great organization and revision tools.
Technically, the outlines on Wikipedia are reverse outlines.
They show gaps and overlaps in the coverage, and can help to reorganize things in a more sensible way.
Merge tags should be placed in the duplicates you come across. Think of them as weeds. If somebody doesn't weed the garden from time to time, it'll get choked with weeds.
As for treating duplicates within an outline, I would simply leave them out or remove them.
I hope these comments help.
Sincerely, — The Transhumanist 02:12, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
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Thanks for your edit to Guildhall, Bath, however I'm having problems seeing how some of the wikilinks added in the see also section ( eg Guildhall School of Music and Drama, Hanseatic League etc are relevant to the Council Offices. I will trim them a bit.— Rod talk 08:59, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
Tiedeman Giese
The whole story takes place in Poland so Polish names should go first. And Chełmno was the original name, mot just "modern" like you insist.
Georg Giese
Royal Prussia was just a region of Poland, not even a province.
Poland was the country not "Prussia". Look it up.
Johann Ernst Gotzkowsky
"Original" suggests that Konitz was a city in the Kingdom of Prussia modernly Chojnice in Poland. Chojnice is the original name, the country was Poland and "Prussia" is misleading, because there were two Prussia's at the time.
More to come, happy editing
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Did you read the articles I recommended? Any more questions? In the future, however, try to be a little bit more self sufficient. Just a suggestion. Happy editing! Space Veteran ( talk) 16:09, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
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Hi Bron. Just wanted to clarify what was happening at the article. I am cleaning up Good Articles and came across this one. Not sure how familiar you are with the process, but this article was nominated in 2009 and passed. Here is the review Talk:Marketing performance measurement/GA1. To be fair it looked like this [16] when it was passed. An editor later decided that it shouldn't be a Good Article and removed the status [17]. I agree with them, but that is not how articles are delisted. Well it used to be, but now it is a bit more formal. We have a reassessment process. I reinstated the status and then started the reassessment process. I know it is a bit buercratic, but this way future editors can easily see what happens (it is listed under milestones) and it helps prevent edit warring over statuses. It also gives prospective editors something to work with. I want to thank you for your comments at the reassessment ( Talk:Marketing performance measurement/GA2). I added level three headers to your comment here as level two ones break the section. I will probably delist the article next week if there are no more comments. Hope this helps explain what was happening. AIRcorn (talk) 11:45, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
Please don't ever add biographies to Cat "Arabic art" - they go to "Arab artists", but ONLY if they have no sub-cat of that, like "Iraqi artists". See WP:OCAT. And get the live categories off your own sub-page. Put a : in them as in Category:Arab artists so they don't read through to the category. Johnbod ( talk) 03:52, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
Dear Bronwyn,
Thanks for your time, Bronwyn. (à propos: did you know, that "Bronwyn", pronounced "Brawnveen" is an Old Prussian name, somewhere from the "historical" region of
Bromberg).
PS. Don't patronize people concerning subjects you have microscopic knowledge about (History of Poland). Come to think of it: don't patronize anybody. Yours truly
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Thanks for responding, no need to apologize at all. I did notice that what you wrote in the summary was inconsistent with the action you took. I'm glad you had an opportunity to look at it before any changes were made. No problem at all. We all work on this together. PEACE! Gene Wilson ( talk) 00:29, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for creating Murad al-Daghistani, BronHiggs!
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Hello BronHiggs I've noted your excellent work on Iraqi artists and wondered if perhaps you might be able to help with the sourcing of Ali Adjalli. I don't want this request to come across as a form of canvassing. I don't know if your even interested in the deletion discussion, but perhaps you can help evaluate the sources? Thanks, -- Vexations ( talk) 13:45, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
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For your work on Ali Adjalli. Thanks. فرهنگ2016 ( talk) 06:36, 3 September 2018 (UTC) |
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Vexations ( talk) 16:54, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
Sorry again for removing all the city arcades from the disambiguation page, but they really don't belong there. If you'd like to keep this content, it looks like Lists of shopping malls and the pages linked from there would be the right place to add it. -- Fyrael ( talk) 14:23, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
I think I did mention in another discussion, but since that discussion was mainly about another article, I thought I'd start a new one before doing anything else to the article. The reason I decided to remove the paragraph was because I couldn't figure out what the son of "the son of KRON News Anchorman Art Brown" meant and the paragraph didn't seem very neutral for being in a biography of a living person. But while trying to find out what it meant, I noticed the same paragraph appeared on another website. I should have mentioned that in the edit summary, but I didn't (unless you take elsewhere as meaning "outside of Wikipedia"). I did mention it on the talk page though. Should I remove the paragraph again? I thought I'd mention this before editing it again. – Pretended leer { talk} 12:18, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
I have added the quotations from French's book to the proposed text. Can you please have a look at version 5 and comment in the discussion of the copyvio and clop claims. Thank you! Cinadon36 ( talk) 10:15, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
Hi Bron. I would like to invite you, when or if you have the time, to provide your opinion regarding a proposed edit at talk:EOKA. I have asked for some relevant quotes, including from Greek sources, so there is no rush to participate until the quotes are translated and analysed. Thank you. Dr. K. 08:46, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
Okay, that is another way of doing it, listing some businesses.
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