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It's sweet that you monitor so many things, but please be a little more alert to nuance. Calling someone a heroic lanky marmot is hardly a personal attack, more a response to someone calling the same person a miserable little weasel. Just so you know, when I call you an oaf it's not meant to be abusive (just so you know!). Regards, Ericoides ( talk) 18:52, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
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From ANI: I did not collapse this because I was ignoring it, I collapsed it because Jbarta was right.
Also keep in mind that coming off as a self-styled one-man review board is also not helpful. Editors have egos, and the best way to piss them off en-masse is to explode onto the scene with blustery talk about "your review". You are not above other editors and I would suggest getting down into the trenches and editing with everyone else rather than proclaiming your wisdom from on high.
This... this was why I collapsed it. I could not do as I am used to and I cannot review it and expect something this complex to be replaced with my private draft either. He's right, I am not above you - we may mis-communicate, but you are working to correct the article and make it better. I halted my review of all the sources, and picked the low hanging fruit, but Vox is fine (I erred by calling it unreliable). Jbarta gave me some perspective. I haven't axed anything major, your opinion on Knafo may differ, but I added 3 sources (using 2 now) and started to put perspective on the Grand Jury matter. I mean, how was it missed that Ferguson is 2/3rds black and the St. Louis county is 70% white. Or that the sitting grand jury was not sequestered. We are still missing how they would have to vote to indict. Context, perspective and plain disinterested details - that is what policy states and its what I strive for. Here's a bit of a tip, Cwobeel thinks I am "defending" McCulloch because I rebuke the arguments - but doesn't realize that my criticism cuts deeper and to an indisputable core issue without attacking the person. Oh gosh, McCulloch may have a few new angles of criticism with the sourcing I referenced - it just won't be lengthy POV-pushing quotes. Disinterested facts do the job without getting nasty. ChrisGualtieri ( talk) 07:24, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
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The above named policy does not say "cops are weasels so we don't report their claims". Is that what you thought it said? If not, I am having trouble understanding your removal of the words "allegedly blocking traffic" which were based on Wilson's sworn grand jury testimony in which he said Brown and Dorian were blocking traffic, forcing both lanes of traffic into a single lane, meaning the cars had to pass around them one at a time, when Wilson stopped them. Centrify (f / k / a FCAYS) (talk) (contribs) 21:44, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Shooting of Tamir Rice and Shooting of Akai Gurley also haven't concluded... I didn't want blow open your assertion after checking two cases I wasn't aware of... because, well... you made a point, but I shouldn't come down hard on you for every fault. ChrisGualtieri ( talk) 22:00, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
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"...for that last source, who is the decision maker in a regular grand jury?" - Read the source again because it is spelled out and very obvious. ChrisGualtieri ( talk) 22:12, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
You asked for my explanation of the facepalm. Are you familiar with Kantian ethics? Aside from being a great example of WP:NPOV, it is also very much true to this situation for a number of reasons. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. You have no idea how sorry I am... but I don't think I can provide any better explanation then that under the circumstances. I hope you understand. ChrisGualtieri ( talk) 02:51, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
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Hi Ran, good to meet you. Concerning your good-faith suggestion to close the thread referenced, I'm wondering if I might presume upon you for a small favour, if you find any value in my reason. Specifically I'm wondering if I can get you to retract your cue for closure, if only for another day. I know the chances are beyond slim, but I'm still hoping that there might be an opportunity here to help Medeis and TRM come to a gentleman's agreement that will help them stay out of each-other's way. I know the thread started concerning the interaction between Bugs and TRM, but it quickly became more about the dynamic between the other pairing, the bulk of the comments concern them, and (most crucially) Medeis is engaged there. Neither of them has responded to specific proposal and I rather sense reluctance on Medeis part (and there's really no guessing how TRM might respond to it), but long-shot or no, I think it's worth the try. If this has to come back to ANI again, surely one or more of the three ends up with a TBAN or a block and I think that (for the moment) the two who have most doggedly gone at it are aware of this fact and as receptive to a compromise solution as they are ever going to be. Which still may not prove to be enough, but there's potentially much to be gained and nothing to be lost in making the attempt. Snow talk 05:48, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
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I was wondering about McCulloch's role in the matter since the other pieces were all jumbled and I knew something was being lost by Sorkin's 2014 piece. It makes sense now. You might not agree with me, but I don't exactly hold McCulloch in high or low regards. Sorkin's 2014 piece makes numerous issues and Sorkin has a clear slant to the writings. McCulloch doesn't seem to lie - but he has made several comments easily seen as misleading, whether or not they needed the assistance is irrelevant. A high-quality BLP needs such nuance and you've helped provide that nuance. Now, Kinkogate can return with appropriate context. ChrisGualtieri ( talk) 07:27, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
Hi RAN1 -- I appreciated your comments at the AE I filed, although I'm sorry I filed it: I was upset. Just wanted to follow up on our brief exchange about COI. I wrote: "Note: In the "real world", practicing acupuncturists study and write MEDRS's about its effectiveness and are not generally considered conflicted," to which you replied [1] "Regarding COI, Wikipedia does not apply that standard to COIs since Wikipedia's aims are markedly different than most MEDRS's." But we do apply that standard, insofar as WP:COI has said for years (in one way or another) that simply having a profession does not, in itself, create a COI. And Wikipedia does share, with e.g. Cochrane Reviews, the aim of writing a good tertiary source. Obviously WP differs from Cochrane, e.g., anyone can edit, and it's not necessarily reliable.
My thinking is: Practicing acupuncturists write Cochrane reviews, which we consider unsurpassed as MEDRS's. Do we presume to be somehow more "exclusive" than Cochrane? Of all the editors we could be discouraging, why does it have to be topic-area experts, especially when arguably our single worst problem is a shrinking pool of editors? (MastCell is sadly correct in his WP:CGTW #4, including the footnote.) As long as expert editors respect WP:5P and WP:ADVOCACY, I think they should be treated like everyone else, plus maybe an extra "thank-you".
AFAIK, Wikipedia has never told an entire profession that they automatically have a COI, even though many professionals would benefit from somehow having their profession look better. Also, in my experience the COI argument has been raised cynically, in an attempt to win content disputes: I've seen this more and more lately, where editors comment on the contributor instead of content. Very much the young male demographic, aggressive, more "skeptic" than scientist. Just my thoughts, FWIW. Happy editing. -- Middle 8 ( contribs • COI) 10:16, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
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I'm trying not to get into fights where I'm not 100% sure I'm right with respect to the article in question, so I wanted to note for the record that if you think I'm wrong about [2] I welcome your reverting it and would not for a second think you (or anyone) reverting it would in any way be contribution to edit warring. I appreciate the edit you made, just thought that the writer/publisher and type of article needed a bit of clarity. Hipocrite ( talk) 01:23, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
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Hi. I have some issues with the closure at: RFC on WP:NOTDIRECTORY and notability.
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Also, NACD says, Do not close discussions in which you have offered an opinion, or for a page in which you have a vested interest...
, but it appears to me that you have simultaneously offered your own personal opinion to the discussion along with the close by saying, "Ideally, the policy would discuss notability and navigation." If it is then your opinion that the policy "ideally would discuss notability and navigation", then it seems clear you have a vested interest in the outcome since many supporters were saying the policy was not the place for discussions about notability. If it is not your opinion, then it seems like the wrong read of consensus. Either way, I think an admin closure is required.
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RAN1 ( talk) 21:59, 27 October 2022 (UTC)No consensus for this change. Supporters pointed out that the current wording conflicts with MOS:DABMENTION, which allows listing non-notable subjects to redirect to notable topics. Opposers countered that the proposed change allows unacceptable entries. Per WP:POLCON, when policies and guidelines directly conflict, one or more pages need to be revised so they accurately reflect community practices. The proposed change doesn't accomplish that.
RAN1 ( talk) 22:33, 27 October 2022 (UTC)No consensus on this change. Supporters pointed out that the current wording conflicts with MOS:DABMENTION, which allows listing non-notable subjects to redirect to notable topics. Opposers countered that the proposed change allows unacceptable entries. Per WP:POLCON, when policies and guidelines directly conflict, one or more pages need to be revised so they accurately reflect community practices. There isn't a consensus on whether the proposed change accomplishes that.
@ Huggums537, Natg 19: I'd like to attempt another close if your concerns are settled. This would be an involved close, so I won't post without affirmatives from both of you. RAN1 ( talk) 02:21, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
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It's sweet that you monitor so many things, but please be a little more alert to nuance. Calling someone a heroic lanky marmot is hardly a personal attack, more a response to someone calling the same person a miserable little weasel. Just so you know, when I call you an oaf it's not meant to be abusive (just so you know!). Regards, Ericoides ( talk) 18:52, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
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From ANI: I did not collapse this because I was ignoring it, I collapsed it because Jbarta was right.
Also keep in mind that coming off as a self-styled one-man review board is also not helpful. Editors have egos, and the best way to piss them off en-masse is to explode onto the scene with blustery talk about "your review". You are not above other editors and I would suggest getting down into the trenches and editing with everyone else rather than proclaiming your wisdom from on high.
This... this was why I collapsed it. I could not do as I am used to and I cannot review it and expect something this complex to be replaced with my private draft either. He's right, I am not above you - we may mis-communicate, but you are working to correct the article and make it better. I halted my review of all the sources, and picked the low hanging fruit, but Vox is fine (I erred by calling it unreliable). Jbarta gave me some perspective. I haven't axed anything major, your opinion on Knafo may differ, but I added 3 sources (using 2 now) and started to put perspective on the Grand Jury matter. I mean, how was it missed that Ferguson is 2/3rds black and the St. Louis county is 70% white. Or that the sitting grand jury was not sequestered. We are still missing how they would have to vote to indict. Context, perspective and plain disinterested details - that is what policy states and its what I strive for. Here's a bit of a tip, Cwobeel thinks I am "defending" McCulloch because I rebuke the arguments - but doesn't realize that my criticism cuts deeper and to an indisputable core issue without attacking the person. Oh gosh, McCulloch may have a few new angles of criticism with the sourcing I referenced - it just won't be lengthy POV-pushing quotes. Disinterested facts do the job without getting nasty. ChrisGualtieri ( talk) 07:24, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
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The above named policy does not say "cops are weasels so we don't report their claims". Is that what you thought it said? If not, I am having trouble understanding your removal of the words "allegedly blocking traffic" which were based on Wilson's sworn grand jury testimony in which he said Brown and Dorian were blocking traffic, forcing both lanes of traffic into a single lane, meaning the cars had to pass around them one at a time, when Wilson stopped them. Centrify (f / k / a FCAYS) (talk) (contribs) 21:44, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Shooting of Tamir Rice and Shooting of Akai Gurley also haven't concluded... I didn't want blow open your assertion after checking two cases I wasn't aware of... because, well... you made a point, but I shouldn't come down hard on you for every fault. ChrisGualtieri ( talk) 22:00, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
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Please weigh it at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Topic_ban_for_Cwobeel_for_BLP_violations - Cwobeel (talk) 01:01, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
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"...for that last source, who is the decision maker in a regular grand jury?" - Read the source again because it is spelled out and very obvious. ChrisGualtieri ( talk) 22:12, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
You asked for my explanation of the facepalm. Are you familiar with Kantian ethics? Aside from being a great example of WP:NPOV, it is also very much true to this situation for a number of reasons. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. You have no idea how sorry I am... but I don't think I can provide any better explanation then that under the circumstances. I hope you understand. ChrisGualtieri ( talk) 02:51, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
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Hi Ran, good to meet you. Concerning your good-faith suggestion to close the thread referenced, I'm wondering if I might presume upon you for a small favour, if you find any value in my reason. Specifically I'm wondering if I can get you to retract your cue for closure, if only for another day. I know the chances are beyond slim, but I'm still hoping that there might be an opportunity here to help Medeis and TRM come to a gentleman's agreement that will help them stay out of each-other's way. I know the thread started concerning the interaction between Bugs and TRM, but it quickly became more about the dynamic between the other pairing, the bulk of the comments concern them, and (most crucially) Medeis is engaged there. Neither of them has responded to specific proposal and I rather sense reluctance on Medeis part (and there's really no guessing how TRM might respond to it), but long-shot or no, I think it's worth the try. If this has to come back to ANI again, surely one or more of the three ends up with a TBAN or a block and I think that (for the moment) the two who have most doggedly gone at it are aware of this fact and as receptive to a compromise solution as they are ever going to be. Which still may not prove to be enough, but there's potentially much to be gained and nothing to be lost in making the attempt. Snow talk 05:48, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
This comment (first sentence) is very incivil. I'm not going to log this warning or take any further action given it's around 24 hours old and you weren't officially aware of the discretionary sanctions, but you need to be more careful. Callanecc ( talk • contribs • logs) 06:13, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
I was wondering about McCulloch's role in the matter since the other pieces were all jumbled and I knew something was being lost by Sorkin's 2014 piece. It makes sense now. You might not agree with me, but I don't exactly hold McCulloch in high or low regards. Sorkin's 2014 piece makes numerous issues and Sorkin has a clear slant to the writings. McCulloch doesn't seem to lie - but he has made several comments easily seen as misleading, whether or not they needed the assistance is irrelevant. A high-quality BLP needs such nuance and you've helped provide that nuance. Now, Kinkogate can return with appropriate context. ChrisGualtieri ( talk) 07:27, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
Hi RAN1 -- I appreciated your comments at the AE I filed, although I'm sorry I filed it: I was upset. Just wanted to follow up on our brief exchange about COI. I wrote: "Note: In the "real world", practicing acupuncturists study and write MEDRS's about its effectiveness and are not generally considered conflicted," to which you replied [1] "Regarding COI, Wikipedia does not apply that standard to COIs since Wikipedia's aims are markedly different than most MEDRS's." But we do apply that standard, insofar as WP:COI has said for years (in one way or another) that simply having a profession does not, in itself, create a COI. And Wikipedia does share, with e.g. Cochrane Reviews, the aim of writing a good tertiary source. Obviously WP differs from Cochrane, e.g., anyone can edit, and it's not necessarily reliable.
My thinking is: Practicing acupuncturists write Cochrane reviews, which we consider unsurpassed as MEDRS's. Do we presume to be somehow more "exclusive" than Cochrane? Of all the editors we could be discouraging, why does it have to be topic-area experts, especially when arguably our single worst problem is a shrinking pool of editors? (MastCell is sadly correct in his WP:CGTW #4, including the footnote.) As long as expert editors respect WP:5P and WP:ADVOCACY, I think they should be treated like everyone else, plus maybe an extra "thank-you".
AFAIK, Wikipedia has never told an entire profession that they automatically have a COI, even though many professionals would benefit from somehow having their profession look better. Also, in my experience the COI argument has been raised cynically, in an attempt to win content disputes: I've seen this more and more lately, where editors comment on the contributor instead of content. Very much the young male demographic, aggressive, more "skeptic" than scientist. Just my thoughts, FWIW. Happy editing. -- Middle 8 ( contribs • COI) 10:16, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
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I'm trying not to get into fights where I'm not 100% sure I'm right with respect to the article in question, so I wanted to note for the record that if you think I'm wrong about [2] I welcome your reverting it and would not for a second think you (or anyone) reverting it would in any way be contribution to edit warring. I appreciate the edit you made, just thought that the writer/publisher and type of article needed a bit of clarity. Hipocrite ( talk) 01:23, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
Hello RAN1. Thanks for your recent edit reinserting the One Hyde Park mention in Vladislav Doronin's article, it was both thoughtful and helpful. Given your experience with BLPs, I'd appreciate your assistance on my most recent edit request as well. Thanks again. CharlotteAman ( talk) 08:04, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi. I have some issues with the closure at: RFC on WP:NOTDIRECTORY and notability.
The first, and most important thing is that
WP:NACD says, Close calls and controversial decisions are better left to admins.
so I think the controversial nature of the discussion, and the
little dispute at the close request require an admin closure.
Also, NACD says, Do not close discussions in which you have offered an opinion, or for a page in which you have a vested interest...
, but it appears to me that you have simultaneously offered your own personal opinion to the discussion along with the close by saying, "Ideally, the policy would discuss notability and navigation." If it is then your opinion that the policy "ideally would discuss notability and navigation", then it seems clear you have a vested interest in the outcome since many supporters were saying the policy was not the place for discussions about notability. If it is not your opinion, then it seems like the wrong read of consensus. Either way, I think an admin closure is required.
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RAN1 ( talk) 21:59, 27 October 2022 (UTC)No consensus for this change. Supporters pointed out that the current wording conflicts with MOS:DABMENTION, which allows listing non-notable subjects to redirect to notable topics. Opposers countered that the proposed change allows unacceptable entries. Per WP:POLCON, when policies and guidelines directly conflict, one or more pages need to be revised so they accurately reflect community practices. The proposed change doesn't accomplish that.
RAN1 ( talk) 22:33, 27 October 2022 (UTC)No consensus on this change. Supporters pointed out that the current wording conflicts with MOS:DABMENTION, which allows listing non-notable subjects to redirect to notable topics. Opposers countered that the proposed change allows unacceptable entries. Per WP:POLCON, when policies and guidelines directly conflict, one or more pages need to be revised so they accurately reflect community practices. There isn't a consensus on whether the proposed change accomplishes that.
@ Huggums537, Natg 19: I'd like to attempt another close if your concerns are settled. This would be an involved close, so I won't post without affirmatives from both of you. RAN1 ( talk) 02:21, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
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“We can't evaluate primary sources because it would be unverifiable original research, otherwise we would just source it to a time link.” Thanks for this concise and informative reply, as I still am trying to learn WP subtleties. But verifiability seems like a blurry line; what does “evaluation” include? What I proposed in the Talk would be independently “verifiable” by anyone who can count a.) frames of a video, and b.) lit circles per frame. As I said, the results seem like digital facts outside of any possible dispute. In other words, is “evaluation” a slippery slope away from “obvious observation”? 67.185.21.25 ( talk) 04:14, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
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