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As simlar to main, I have made a multi-purpouse template for see also, located at User:AzaToth/See also, Do you think this and sibling templates should be replaced? AzaToth talk 21:50, 24 November 2005 (UTC) Example:
{{User:AzaToth/See also}} {{User:AzaToth/See also|1}} {{User:AzaToth/See also|1|2|3}} {{User:AzaToth/See also|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|11|12|13|14|15|16|17|18|19|20}}
{{User:AzaToth/See also}} {{User:AzaToth/See also|1}} {{User:AzaToth/See also|1|2|3}} {{User:AzaToth/See also|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|11|12|13|14|15|16|17|18|19|20}}commented out pending maintenance. — Phil | Talk 09:38, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
Simlar for see
{{User:AzaToth/See}} {{User:AzaToth/See|1}} {{User:AzaToth/See|1|2|3}} {{User:AzaToth/See|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|11|12|13|14|15|16|17|18|19|20}}
{{User:AzaToth/See}} {{User:AzaToth/See|1}} {{User:AzaToth/See|1|2|3}} {{User:AzaToth/See|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|11|12|13|14|15|16|17|18|19|20}}commented out pending maintenance. — Phil | Talk 09:38, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
And for main
{{User:AzaToth/Main}} {{User:AzaToth/Main|1}} {{User:AzaToth/Main|1|2|3}} {{User:AzaToth/Main|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|11|12|13|14|15|16|17|18|19|20}}
{{User:AzaToth/Main}} {{User:AzaToth/Main|1}} {{User:AzaToth/Main|1|2|3}} {{User:AzaToth/Main|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|11|12|13|14|15|16|17|18|19|20}}commented out pending maintenance. — Phil | Talk 09:38, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
All this templates are using the generic template User:AzaToth/Links, so if subst, the code is not too strange.
By using {{subst:User:AzaToth/Main|1|2|3}}
you get
:''Main article{{if|2|s}}: {{User:AzaToth/Links|1|2|3|{{{4|}}}|{{{5|}}}|{{{6|}}}|{{{7|}}}|{{{8|}}}|{{{9|}}}|{{{10|}}}|{{{11|}}}|{{{12|}}}|{{{13|}}}|{{{14|}}}|{{{15|}}}|{{{16|}}}|{{{17|}}}|{{{18|}}}|{{{19|}}}|{{{20|}}}}}''
if the Links code is included, you would get more code if it's substed:
:''Main article{{if|2|s}}: {{if |test=1 |then=[[1]] }}{{if |test=2 |then={{if|3|, | & }}[[2]] }}{{if |test=3 |then={{if|{{{4|}}}|, | & }}[[3]] }}{{if |test={{{4|}}} |then={{if|{{{5|}}}|, | & }}[[{{{4|}}}]] }}{{if |test={{{5|}}} |then={{if|{{{6|}}}|, | & }}[[{{{5|}}}]] }}{{if |test={{{6|}}} |then={{if|{{{7|}}}|, | & }}[[{{{6|}}}]] }}{{if |test={{{7|}}} |then={{if|{{{8|}}}|, | & }}[[{{{7|}}}]] }}{{if |test={{{8|}}} |then={{if|{{{9|}}}|, | & }}[[{{{8|}}}]] }}{{if |test={{{9|}}} |then={{if|{{{10|}}}|, | & }}[[{{{9|}}}]] }}{{if |test={{{10|}}} |then={{if|{{{11|}}}|, | & }}[[{{{10|}}}]] }}{{if |test={{{11|}}} |then={{if|{{{12|}}}|, | & }}[[{{{11|}}}]] }}{{if |test={{{12|}}} |then={{if|{{{13|}}}|, | & }}[[{{{12|}}}]] }}{{if |test={{{13|}}} |then={{if|{{{14|}}}|, | & }}[[{{{13|}}}]] }}{{if |test={{{14|}}} |then={{if|{{{15|}}}|, | & }}[[{{{14|}}}]] }}{{if |test={{{15|}}} |then={{if|{{{16|}}}|, | & }}[[{{{15|}}}]] }}{{if |test={{{16|}}} |then={{if|{{{17|}}}|, | & }}[[{{{16|}}}]] }}{{if |test={{{17|}}} |then={{if|{{{18|}}}|, | & }}[[{{{17|}}}]] }}{{if |test={{{18|}}} |then={{if|{{{19|}}}|, | & }}[[{{{18|}}}]] }}{{if |test={{{19|}}} |then={{if|{{{20|}}}|, | & }}[[{{{19|}}}]] }}{{if |test={{{20|}}} |then= & [[{{{20|}}}]] }}''
Oops, just had an edit conflict on the template, then immediately on this talk page. We could demonstrate the usage and results of each template in the <noinclude> section as below. — Michael Z. 2005-11-24 21:59 Z
I have copied the conditional code from {{ main}} which will allow for up to 9 parameters; I have also added a test on the end which will alert a keen-eyed user who attempts to use more than that ;-):
{{seealso|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10}}
gives you:
HTH HAND Phil | Talk 17:58, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
What about piped links? In Template:USCongDistState, I've been using:
which was just replaced with:
But that killed my piped links. Any suggestions? — Mark Adler (markles) 03:22, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
The semantics of this template should be changed. It should be
I.e., the user provides the links and the commas. There are three benefits to this change. 1) It avoids the current limit of 15 articles. 2) It doesn't require {{ qif}}. 3) You can do piped links however you want. Note that MediaWiki is smart enough to interpret
as you would hope.
There are around 1000 to 1500 articles that use Template:See_also. Presumably these could be updated with a bot. Do others think the change is a good idea? dbenbenn | talk 21:37, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
So far as I can see, the main purpose of this is to make things difficult for new or infrequent editors. It does nothing that the simple addition of a "See also" section doesn't. -- Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 20:07, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
This template survived a
request for deletion. The result of the
discussion was Speedy Keep.
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Byzantine_Empire#Science_and_law - The "see also" template here, which has a left-floating image to the left of it, does not get indented like it does everywhere else. Is this a bug in this template, in MediaWiki, or in my browsers (Windows Firefox 1.5.0.1 and MSIE 6)? Hairy Dude 21:42, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
<div class="boilerplate seealso"> <dl> <dd><i>
just as it does everywhere else. So, I'd guess our browsers, as it works just fine with images off. However, that image has nothing to do with the section it's in, and could easily be moved up or elsewhere. And the page is much too long. Summary style should summarize!
I updated the template with the optional link-piping feature from {{ main}}, but I can't figure out how to properly display an example in the documentation. – Someguy0830 ( Talk | contribs) 20:51, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
The final period above is necessary.
Is it needed here? I added it in an article. It caused the link to fail! Just a red link, where formerly a blue link appeared.
This template forbidding final punctuation annoys me because many people who edit Wikipedia think no final period is needed in thing like my first example above, and this may encourage that idea. And I prefer the first format, in the interest of keeping things no more complicated than they really are. Michael Hardy 01:33, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
[[Template:See also|Usage error: Template 'see also' must be given at least one ARTICLE Name(S)!]]
}}{{#if:{{{16|}}}| -- '''[[Template:See also|<br>See also Usage Error#2: Too many links<br>MAXIMUM of 15 ARTICLES ALLOWED in this list<br>]]'''
As of this edit, the template page reads: See also: Error: Template must be given at least one article name. I thought templates were supposed to read something like See also: {{{1}}}. — Frungi 10:43, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Can we change this template so it can have infinite arguments? 100110100 07:51, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
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Category:See also templates ∞ ΣɛÞ² ( τ| c) 09:04, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Do we have a template to indicate that a given see also section is too long (per MoS)?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 16:02, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be a full stop at the end? -- RFBailey ( talk) 02:37, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone else think that adding an arrow like this might be a good idea? I notice that the See also: blends into the text and I think adding a small arrow like this one would be beneficial. Note that I just found that black redirect arrow on Wikimedia Commons, and I would gladly make a better one... perhaps one with a nice muted blue colour, and a little bit thicker. That black arrow is just there to get my idea across. Good idea? Necessary? -- Tkgd2007 ( talk) 21:12, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
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this patch.
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Simply Make: ''See also: {{#if:{{{1|}}} → into: → ''{{{altphrase|See also}}}: {{#if:{{{1|}}}
Drop me a note when completed, and I'll handle the usage fix up. Thanks, Fra nkB 15:30, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
What's the preferred way to refer to a section?
Or something else entirely? I don't really like the first since it leaks HTML syntax to the reader. The second one is compact, whereas the third one is more explicit. What do you think? Shinobu ( talk) 10:06, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Bump. Couldn’t the template itself parse the referenced section and display it consistently? 16:14, 8 January 2014 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:810B:240:DAC:C1EB:7592:3122:D996 ( talk)
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On templates that use this, such as Template:Olympics bids, the see also is preceded by an unnecessary colon. This can be corrected if the following is placed into the template
{{Namespace detect | demospace = {{{demospace|}}} | template = | other = :}}
The effect: as it is now the diff the changed version
This should replace the colon between <includeonly> and <span class="boilerplate seealso"> (at the beginning of the template). Thanks, ~ AmeIiorate U T C @ 06:56, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
{{
namespace detect}}
template will detect the local namespace and output the colon. Although this issue does need to be solved, it can't be solved this way.
Happy‑
melon 13:29, 13 August 2008 (UTC)Is it possible to direct this template to link a particular section within another article? Something similar to {{See also|[[Article#section|text]]}}
? //
Blaxthos (
t /
c ) 01:45, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
{{See also|Michael Tritter#storyline|l1=Storyline}}
givesI have been tempted to use this template at the very top of articles (e.g., see Judicial_review_in_the_United_States). Another editor tells me I shouldn't do this, and points me to Wikipedia:Layout for the explanation -- however, no such explanation appears there. The explanation on the project page says:
Could you please modify this language to indicate whether or not it's permissible to use this template at the tops of articles? Thanks Agradman cries when yelled at/ makes occasional mistakes 03:52, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
It occurs to me that the formatting of this class of templates is less than ideal. When printed, hyperlinks don't show, and it may read something like
where it's not clear whether it's one article name or two. One editor has suggested that article titles really ought to be in quotation marks, while I would prefer the article titles in roman:
In these cases we aren't using the article title as a normal word or phrase so they may be syntactically incorrect unless the use–mention distinction is observed. Why is there a colon in this particular template anyway? It is not logically required and varies both from what seems to be the standard format of hatnotes, and from inline cross-references (see below), neither of which use a colon.
There are article cross-references ("see also" section or hatnotes), section cross-references (like this template) and inline cross-references (At this time France possessed the largest population in Europe (see Demographics of France). I'm trying to start a discussion about the formatting of the last at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#More italics clarification and inline .22see.22 Please contribute there if you can. -- Cedders tk 16:03, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
It would be great to add a {{seealsolist|n}} template would agglomerate all see alsos at the foot of the article ala {{reflist|n}}.
cy:Nodyn:Gweler hefyd. -- Xxglennxx ★ talk contributions★ 23:15, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
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{{ editprotected}} This template shouldproduce a period at the and of the sentence (any sentence). So:
{{{label 15|{{{l15}}}}}}}}]]
should be like
{{{label 15|{{{l15}}}}}}}}]].
By the way, parameter 15 does not work out well. Which is quite relevant, since it is protected this tough. (now really, a <500 times used template is admin-only protected?) - DePiep ( talk) 01:43, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
First: it is a sentence. Second: it should have a period as per Wikipedia:Hatnote#Format. Currently, it is the only hatnote that does not have a period (well, together with its brother {{ see also2}}). - DePiep ( talk) 11:32, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
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Replace all {{
see also}} code with all {{
see also/sandbox}}
code
this version)
See Template:See also/testcases, pre-change
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{{ Main}}, {{ see}}, {{ further}} and other similar templates do not have dots. There is no reason for this one (and {{ Category see also}}) to have one either. Headbomb { talk / contribs / physics / books} 23:29, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
And I would also point out that it was you who added the hatnote ends with period thing to WP:HATNOTE. Headbomb { talk / contribs / physics / books} 02:38, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
Linking to subsections looks quite ugly and unprofessional at the moment:
Could anyone fix this? Brightgalrs (/braɪtˈɡæl.ərˌɛs/) [1] 10:08, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
{{See also subsection|features|conic section}}
I've created a Lua version of this template at Module:See also. It is mostly the same as this template, but has the benefits that an unlimited number of links are allowed, category and file links are automatically escaped with the colon trick, and links to sections are formatted as page § section, rather than the MediaWiki default of page#section. You can see some test cases at Template:See also/testcases. Would anyone object to me making the change? — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 16:58, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
How can I add a description to a (or multiple) see alsos?
Here you can find an example of how it should look like (see the very top of the page): incremental search.
If this isn't possible yet could the necessary parameters / templates please be created?
-- Fixuture ( talk) 19:02, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
{{see also|Incremental search|altphrase=See the very top of the page}}
Why does this template not generate an Oxford comma when there are three or more items in the list? -- Mikeblas ( talk) 19:43, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
{{
see also|Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions#Article age|Wikipedia:Gaming the system#Gaming the consensus-building process}}
mw.text.listToText
. (I currently don't have any experience in changing something like that. Anyone have any ideas?) —
Andy W. (
talk ·
contrib) 06:56, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
In retrospect, I think being bold was being incorrect. We're currently not in sync about the Oxford comma (and sections/semicolons) with Module:Further, Module:Other uses, Module:Redirect hatnote, and Module:Hatnote list, and potentially one I was planning to make for {{ For}}. I'm refraining from reverting, because that is probably unnecessary server strain. Sorry — Andy W. ( talk · contrib) 18:28, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
(Pinging Andy W. and SMcCandlish given Oxford comma discussion above)
I drafted a version of Module:See also at Module:See also/sandbox that applies the now-standard Module:Hatnote list to this template's implementation. Then, for some reason I don't remember, I stopped and left it alone for a month. I don't see any obvious problems with the version there, but would people mind taking a quick look just in case something's slipped my mind? Thanks, {{ Nihiltres | talk | edits}} 15:53, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
for now), but that might change in the near future, since there's discussion of using narrower exotic spaces. If I personally have time to investigate, I can help out here and let you know if I do. —
Andy W. (
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ctb) 17:07, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
require()
the section-link module seems trivial. Thanks for checking over the sandbox. {{
Nihiltres |
talk |
edits}} 20:14, 16 June 2016 (UTC)In an effort to standardize the features of various hatnote templates, I designed
Module:Labelled list hatnote a while back, which implements any hatnote template that produces a list of pages prefixed with a colon-terminated label. Its primary advantage over
Module:See also and family is that it implements a consistent feature set with regards to side features like labelling (e.g. using |l1=Label
to change the display of the first page listed), letting us centralize code that's effectively duplicated right now across hatnote templates that generally behave the same. I've had a working version of this template sitting around in
Template:See also/sandbox for a while now, and you can see at
Template:See also/testcases that it produces the same output as the current template/module. I plan to also update similar hatnote templates in the same way.
Are there any objections to my implementing this change? {{ Nihiltres | talk | edits}} 16:30, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
I am trying to use the Interlanguage link template for the field 1 in See also. Instead of getting "See also: some link (language code)", I am getting "See also: [[:some link (language code)]]". How can I get rid of the brackets and the colon? Thanks. Fleon11 ( talk) 22:42, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
The red link is explicitly shown, followed by the non-English link(s). Hovering over the language code of a non-English link will display the name of the article on the non-English Wikipedia
@ Fleon11: The template doesn't support that behaviour at present. Technically you can get around that with custom-text hatnotes by nesting {{ interlanguage link}} inside {{ see also2}}, but I'd discourage that as I've been trying to deprecate custom-text hatnotes in most cases.
It probably wouldn't be too hard to implement support for interlanguage links, but it's probably overkill in 99.9% of cases and we'd have to not only invent syntax for it but also implement it across most hatnote templates for consistency. {{ Nihiltres | talk | edits}} 14:07, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
Why do we bother if the article in the {{ See also}} is linked n the text of the section? I see this usage time and again. - Sitush ( talk) 11:15, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
Anyone? - Sitush ( talk) 16:22, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
This is really only an issue when only 2 pages are specified. To illustrate the issue, compare:
{{See also|Template:See also#Section 1|Template:See also#Section 2}}
{{See also|Template:See also#Section 1|Template:See also}}
which render as:
to:
{{See also|Template:See also|Template:See also}}
{{See also|Template:See also|Template:See also#Section 2}}
which render as:
There shouldn't be a comma after "See also § Section 1" when a section is specified in the first parameter and only two pages are linked. Seppi333 ( Insert 2¢) 20:12, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
-- Set the conjunction, apply Oxford comma, and force a comma if #1 has "§"Nihiltres wrote the module..unsure why that's there Galobtter ( pingó mió) 17:27, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
The results of this template should end with a period, as I see it:
and not the fragment
Note that the template
does produce a sentence with a period.
deisenbe ( talk) 16:04, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
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When two articles are provided, the template produces a comma in front of the "and" as though there were more than two articles. See Proto-Semitic language#Phonology, for example. The comma should be omitted in that case. Largoplazo ( talk) 00:37, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
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As simlar to main, I have made a multi-purpouse template for see also, located at User:AzaToth/See also, Do you think this and sibling templates should be replaced? AzaToth talk 21:50, 24 November 2005 (UTC) Example:
{{User:AzaToth/See also}} {{User:AzaToth/See also|1}} {{User:AzaToth/See also|1|2|3}} {{User:AzaToth/See also|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|11|12|13|14|15|16|17|18|19|20}}
{{User:AzaToth/See also}} {{User:AzaToth/See also|1}} {{User:AzaToth/See also|1|2|3}} {{User:AzaToth/See also|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|11|12|13|14|15|16|17|18|19|20}}commented out pending maintenance. — Phil | Talk 09:38, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
Simlar for see
{{User:AzaToth/See}} {{User:AzaToth/See|1}} {{User:AzaToth/See|1|2|3}} {{User:AzaToth/See|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|11|12|13|14|15|16|17|18|19|20}}
{{User:AzaToth/See}} {{User:AzaToth/See|1}} {{User:AzaToth/See|1|2|3}} {{User:AzaToth/See|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|11|12|13|14|15|16|17|18|19|20}}commented out pending maintenance. — Phil | Talk 09:38, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
And for main
{{User:AzaToth/Main}} {{User:AzaToth/Main|1}} {{User:AzaToth/Main|1|2|3}} {{User:AzaToth/Main|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|11|12|13|14|15|16|17|18|19|20}}
{{User:AzaToth/Main}} {{User:AzaToth/Main|1}} {{User:AzaToth/Main|1|2|3}} {{User:AzaToth/Main|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|11|12|13|14|15|16|17|18|19|20}}commented out pending maintenance. — Phil | Talk 09:38, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
All this templates are using the generic template User:AzaToth/Links, so if subst, the code is not too strange.
By using {{subst:User:AzaToth/Main|1|2|3}}
you get
:''Main article{{if|2|s}}: {{User:AzaToth/Links|1|2|3|{{{4|}}}|{{{5|}}}|{{{6|}}}|{{{7|}}}|{{{8|}}}|{{{9|}}}|{{{10|}}}|{{{11|}}}|{{{12|}}}|{{{13|}}}|{{{14|}}}|{{{15|}}}|{{{16|}}}|{{{17|}}}|{{{18|}}}|{{{19|}}}|{{{20|}}}}}''
if the Links code is included, you would get more code if it's substed:
:''Main article{{if|2|s}}: {{if |test=1 |then=[[1]] }}{{if |test=2 |then={{if|3|, | & }}[[2]] }}{{if |test=3 |then={{if|{{{4|}}}|, | & }}[[3]] }}{{if |test={{{4|}}} |then={{if|{{{5|}}}|, | & }}[[{{{4|}}}]] }}{{if |test={{{5|}}} |then={{if|{{{6|}}}|, | & }}[[{{{5|}}}]] }}{{if |test={{{6|}}} |then={{if|{{{7|}}}|, | & }}[[{{{6|}}}]] }}{{if |test={{{7|}}} |then={{if|{{{8|}}}|, | & }}[[{{{7|}}}]] }}{{if |test={{{8|}}} |then={{if|{{{9|}}}|, | & }}[[{{{8|}}}]] }}{{if |test={{{9|}}} |then={{if|{{{10|}}}|, | & }}[[{{{9|}}}]] }}{{if |test={{{10|}}} |then={{if|{{{11|}}}|, | & }}[[{{{10|}}}]] }}{{if |test={{{11|}}} |then={{if|{{{12|}}}|, | & }}[[{{{11|}}}]] }}{{if |test={{{12|}}} |then={{if|{{{13|}}}|, | & }}[[{{{12|}}}]] }}{{if |test={{{13|}}} |then={{if|{{{14|}}}|, | & }}[[{{{13|}}}]] }}{{if |test={{{14|}}} |then={{if|{{{15|}}}|, | & }}[[{{{14|}}}]] }}{{if |test={{{15|}}} |then={{if|{{{16|}}}|, | & }}[[{{{15|}}}]] }}{{if |test={{{16|}}} |then={{if|{{{17|}}}|, | & }}[[{{{16|}}}]] }}{{if |test={{{17|}}} |then={{if|{{{18|}}}|, | & }}[[{{{17|}}}]] }}{{if |test={{{18|}}} |then={{if|{{{19|}}}|, | & }}[[{{{18|}}}]] }}{{if |test={{{19|}}} |then={{if|{{{20|}}}|, | & }}[[{{{19|}}}]] }}{{if |test={{{20|}}} |then= & [[{{{20|}}}]] }}''
Oops, just had an edit conflict on the template, then immediately on this talk page. We could demonstrate the usage and results of each template in the <noinclude> section as below. — Michael Z. 2005-11-24 21:59 Z
I have copied the conditional code from {{ main}} which will allow for up to 9 parameters; I have also added a test on the end which will alert a keen-eyed user who attempts to use more than that ;-):
{{seealso|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10}}
gives you:
HTH HAND Phil | Talk 17:58, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
What about piped links? In Template:USCongDistState, I've been using:
which was just replaced with:
But that killed my piped links. Any suggestions? — Mark Adler (markles) 03:22, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
The semantics of this template should be changed. It should be
I.e., the user provides the links and the commas. There are three benefits to this change. 1) It avoids the current limit of 15 articles. 2) It doesn't require {{ qif}}. 3) You can do piped links however you want. Note that MediaWiki is smart enough to interpret
as you would hope.
There are around 1000 to 1500 articles that use Template:See_also. Presumably these could be updated with a bot. Do others think the change is a good idea? dbenbenn | talk 21:37, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
So far as I can see, the main purpose of this is to make things difficult for new or infrequent editors. It does nothing that the simple addition of a "See also" section doesn't. -- Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 20:07, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
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Byzantine_Empire#Science_and_law - The "see also" template here, which has a left-floating image to the left of it, does not get indented like it does everywhere else. Is this a bug in this template, in MediaWiki, or in my browsers (Windows Firefox 1.5.0.1 and MSIE 6)? Hairy Dude 21:42, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
<div class="boilerplate seealso"> <dl> <dd><i>
just as it does everywhere else. So, I'd guess our browsers, as it works just fine with images off. However, that image has nothing to do with the section it's in, and could easily be moved up or elsewhere. And the page is much too long. Summary style should summarize!
I updated the template with the optional link-piping feature from {{ main}}, but I can't figure out how to properly display an example in the documentation. – Someguy0830 ( Talk | contribs) 20:51, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
The final period above is necessary.
Is it needed here? I added it in an article. It caused the link to fail! Just a red link, where formerly a blue link appeared.
This template forbidding final punctuation annoys me because many people who edit Wikipedia think no final period is needed in thing like my first example above, and this may encourage that idea. And I prefer the first format, in the interest of keeping things no more complicated than they really are. Michael Hardy 01:33, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
[[Template:See also|Usage error: Template 'see also' must be given at least one ARTICLE Name(S)!]]
}}{{#if:{{{16|}}}| -- '''[[Template:See also|<br>See also Usage Error#2: Too many links<br>MAXIMUM of 15 ARTICLES ALLOWED in this list<br>]]'''
As of this edit, the template page reads: See also: Error: Template must be given at least one article name. I thought templates were supposed to read something like See also: {{{1}}}. — Frungi 10:43, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Can we change this template so it can have infinite arguments? 100110100 07:51, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
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Category:See also templates ∞ ΣɛÞ² ( τ| c) 09:04, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Do we have a template to indicate that a given see also section is too long (per MoS)?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 16:02, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be a full stop at the end? -- RFBailey ( talk) 02:37, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone else think that adding an arrow like this might be a good idea? I notice that the See also: blends into the text and I think adding a small arrow like this one would be beneficial. Note that I just found that black redirect arrow on Wikimedia Commons, and I would gladly make a better one... perhaps one with a nice muted blue colour, and a little bit thicker. That black arrow is just there to get my idea across. Good idea? Necessary? -- Tkgd2007 ( talk) 21:12, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
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this patch.
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Simply Make: ''See also: {{#if:{{{1|}}} → into: → ''{{{altphrase|See also}}}: {{#if:{{{1|}}}
Drop me a note when completed, and I'll handle the usage fix up. Thanks, Fra nkB 15:30, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
What's the preferred way to refer to a section?
Or something else entirely? I don't really like the first since it leaks HTML syntax to the reader. The second one is compact, whereas the third one is more explicit. What do you think? Shinobu ( talk) 10:06, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Bump. Couldn’t the template itself parse the referenced section and display it consistently? 16:14, 8 January 2014 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:810B:240:DAC:C1EB:7592:3122:D996 ( talk)
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On templates that use this, such as Template:Olympics bids, the see also is preceded by an unnecessary colon. This can be corrected if the following is placed into the template
{{Namespace detect | demospace = {{{demospace|}}} | template = | other = :}}
The effect: as it is now the diff the changed version
This should replace the colon between <includeonly> and <span class="boilerplate seealso"> (at the beginning of the template). Thanks, ~ AmeIiorate U T C @ 06:56, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
{{
namespace detect}}
template will detect the local namespace and output the colon. Although this issue does need to be solved, it can't be solved this way.
Happy‑
melon 13:29, 13 August 2008 (UTC)Is it possible to direct this template to link a particular section within another article? Something similar to {{See also|[[Article#section|text]]}}
? //
Blaxthos (
t /
c ) 01:45, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
{{See also|Michael Tritter#storyline|l1=Storyline}}
givesI have been tempted to use this template at the very top of articles (e.g., see Judicial_review_in_the_United_States). Another editor tells me I shouldn't do this, and points me to Wikipedia:Layout for the explanation -- however, no such explanation appears there. The explanation on the project page says:
Could you please modify this language to indicate whether or not it's permissible to use this template at the tops of articles? Thanks Agradman cries when yelled at/ makes occasional mistakes 03:52, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
It occurs to me that the formatting of this class of templates is less than ideal. When printed, hyperlinks don't show, and it may read something like
where it's not clear whether it's one article name or two. One editor has suggested that article titles really ought to be in quotation marks, while I would prefer the article titles in roman:
In these cases we aren't using the article title as a normal word or phrase so they may be syntactically incorrect unless the use–mention distinction is observed. Why is there a colon in this particular template anyway? It is not logically required and varies both from what seems to be the standard format of hatnotes, and from inline cross-references (see below), neither of which use a colon.
There are article cross-references ("see also" section or hatnotes), section cross-references (like this template) and inline cross-references (At this time France possessed the largest population in Europe (see Demographics of France). I'm trying to start a discussion about the formatting of the last at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#More italics clarification and inline .22see.22 Please contribute there if you can. -- Cedders tk 16:03, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
It would be great to add a {{seealsolist|n}} template would agglomerate all see alsos at the foot of the article ala {{reflist|n}}.
cy:Nodyn:Gweler hefyd. -- Xxglennxx ★ talk contributions★ 23:15, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
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{{ editprotected}} This template shouldproduce a period at the and of the sentence (any sentence). So:
{{{label 15|{{{l15}}}}}}}}]]
should be like
{{{label 15|{{{l15}}}}}}}}]].
By the way, parameter 15 does not work out well. Which is quite relevant, since it is protected this tough. (now really, a <500 times used template is admin-only protected?) - DePiep ( talk) 01:43, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
First: it is a sentence. Second: it should have a period as per Wikipedia:Hatnote#Format. Currently, it is the only hatnote that does not have a period (well, together with its brother {{ see also2}}). - DePiep ( talk) 11:32, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
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Replace all {{
see also}} code with all {{
see also/sandbox}}
code
this version)
See Template:See also/testcases, pre-change
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{{ Main}}, {{ see}}, {{ further}} and other similar templates do not have dots. There is no reason for this one (and {{ Category see also}}) to have one either. Headbomb { talk / contribs / physics / books} 23:29, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
And I would also point out that it was you who added the hatnote ends with period thing to WP:HATNOTE. Headbomb { talk / contribs / physics / books} 02:38, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
Linking to subsections looks quite ugly and unprofessional at the moment:
Could anyone fix this? Brightgalrs (/braɪtˈɡæl.ərˌɛs/) [1] 10:08, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
{{See also subsection|features|conic section}}
I've created a Lua version of this template at Module:See also. It is mostly the same as this template, but has the benefits that an unlimited number of links are allowed, category and file links are automatically escaped with the colon trick, and links to sections are formatted as page § section, rather than the MediaWiki default of page#section. You can see some test cases at Template:See also/testcases. Would anyone object to me making the change? — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 16:58, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
How can I add a description to a (or multiple) see alsos?
Here you can find an example of how it should look like (see the very top of the page): incremental search.
If this isn't possible yet could the necessary parameters / templates please be created?
-- Fixuture ( talk) 19:02, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
{{see also|Incremental search|altphrase=See the very top of the page}}
Why does this template not generate an Oxford comma when there are three or more items in the list? -- Mikeblas ( talk) 19:43, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
{{
see also|Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions#Article age|Wikipedia:Gaming the system#Gaming the consensus-building process}}
mw.text.listToText
. (I currently don't have any experience in changing something like that. Anyone have any ideas?) —
Andy W. (
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contrib) 06:56, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
In retrospect, I think being bold was being incorrect. We're currently not in sync about the Oxford comma (and sections/semicolons) with Module:Further, Module:Other uses, Module:Redirect hatnote, and Module:Hatnote list, and potentially one I was planning to make for {{ For}}. I'm refraining from reverting, because that is probably unnecessary server strain. Sorry — Andy W. ( talk · contrib) 18:28, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
(Pinging Andy W. and SMcCandlish given Oxford comma discussion above)
I drafted a version of Module:See also at Module:See also/sandbox that applies the now-standard Module:Hatnote list to this template's implementation. Then, for some reason I don't remember, I stopped and left it alone for a month. I don't see any obvious problems with the version there, but would people mind taking a quick look just in case something's slipped my mind? Thanks, {{ Nihiltres | talk | edits}} 15:53, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
for now), but that might change in the near future, since there's discussion of using narrower exotic spaces. If I personally have time to investigate, I can help out here and let you know if I do. —
Andy W. (
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require()
the section-link module seems trivial. Thanks for checking over the sandbox. {{
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edits}} 20:14, 16 June 2016 (UTC)In an effort to standardize the features of various hatnote templates, I designed
Module:Labelled list hatnote a while back, which implements any hatnote template that produces a list of pages prefixed with a colon-terminated label. Its primary advantage over
Module:See also and family is that it implements a consistent feature set with regards to side features like labelling (e.g. using |l1=Label
to change the display of the first page listed), letting us centralize code that's effectively duplicated right now across hatnote templates that generally behave the same. I've had a working version of this template sitting around in
Template:See also/sandbox for a while now, and you can see at
Template:See also/testcases that it produces the same output as the current template/module. I plan to also update similar hatnote templates in the same way.
Are there any objections to my implementing this change? {{ Nihiltres | talk | edits}} 16:30, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
I am trying to use the Interlanguage link template for the field 1 in See also. Instead of getting "See also: some link (language code)", I am getting "See also: [[:some link (language code)]]". How can I get rid of the brackets and the colon? Thanks. Fleon11 ( talk) 22:42, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
The red link is explicitly shown, followed by the non-English link(s). Hovering over the language code of a non-English link will display the name of the article on the non-English Wikipedia
@ Fleon11: The template doesn't support that behaviour at present. Technically you can get around that with custom-text hatnotes by nesting {{ interlanguage link}} inside {{ see also2}}, but I'd discourage that as I've been trying to deprecate custom-text hatnotes in most cases.
It probably wouldn't be too hard to implement support for interlanguage links, but it's probably overkill in 99.9% of cases and we'd have to not only invent syntax for it but also implement it across most hatnote templates for consistency. {{ Nihiltres | talk | edits}} 14:07, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
Why do we bother if the article in the {{ See also}} is linked n the text of the section? I see this usage time and again. - Sitush ( talk) 11:15, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
Anyone? - Sitush ( talk) 16:22, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
This is really only an issue when only 2 pages are specified. To illustrate the issue, compare:
{{See also|Template:See also#Section 1|Template:See also#Section 2}}
{{See also|Template:See also#Section 1|Template:See also}}
which render as:
to:
{{See also|Template:See also|Template:See also}}
{{See also|Template:See also|Template:See also#Section 2}}
which render as:
There shouldn't be a comma after "See also § Section 1" when a section is specified in the first parameter and only two pages are linked. Seppi333 ( Insert 2¢) 20:12, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
-- Set the conjunction, apply Oxford comma, and force a comma if #1 has "§"Nihiltres wrote the module..unsure why that's there Galobtter ( pingó mió) 17:27, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
The results of this template should end with a period, as I see it:
and not the fragment
Note that the template
does produce a sentence with a period.
deisenbe ( talk) 16:04, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
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When two articles are provided, the template produces a comma in front of the "and" as though there were more than two articles. See Proto-Semitic language#Phonology, for example. The comma should be omitted in that case. Largoplazo ( talk) 00:37, 4 February 2024 (UTC)