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12-April-2008: Topics above have raised the issue of color blindness. I've analyzed the problem based on medical sources ( red-green colorblindness actually refers to several types). In general, just use high-contrast colors: black lettering on any color is typically visible to all. The most common problems are medium shades of red-green or orange-green combinations, but there are at least 8 forms of color blindness (see linked article for diagnosis-image as test for blindness). More men are afflicted because the problem is on the X chromosome with Y neutral, and women, with 2 X chromosomes, have 2 chances to get full-color vision. Anyway, black lettering on any color is typically visible to all (no need to worry about text). - Wikid77 ( talk) 22:05, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
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13-April-2008: I never fail to be utterly stunned at the hollow content of Wikipedia. In the discussion above, some had considered that color was totally irrelevant to countries. Currently, a Wikipedia search for "red white blue" does find the 2002 hit single " Courtesy of the Red, White, & Blue (The Angry American)" by Toby Keith. However, try that search on Google some time. I cannot emphasize enough how, in the USA, "red white and blue" means America, not colors in the French flag. In fact, if someone traveled across America and said "huh?" when people mentioned red, white & blue, that person would be instantly spotted as an illegal alien. OMG, hello, wake up: red/white/blue is such a massive cultural icon in America, I am stunned that Weakipedia is yet again clueless. Total ignorance of America and red/white/blue is such a massive hole in the Wikipedia coverage, it is utterly pathetic. For those who had thought color was irrelevant, please try Google "red white blue" some time with an open mind. Thank God people suggested putting colored borders on country infoboxes or this enormous gap in Wikipedia coverage on America might have gone another 6 years undetected: weakipedia, weakipedia, weakipedia, people please help not hinder. - Wikid77 ( talk) 07:26, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
Please, show me specifically in writting in the MoS that says we can not have info box borders or title headers? The specific text please, if so, then I shall defer. Until then, and unles we get a moderator for the issue, we remain at an impass. ♦Drachenfyre♦· Talk 01:40, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Look, Wikid77 is not to blame for the country info boxes or the title borders. As an editor, I asked if it was possible to do this, based off of the fact that Ireland has a VERY nifty colored info box. At the time I had no idea that it was an island default, when someone suggested there that I post here about how to do this. Wikid77 was kind enough to answer the call. Nor did I know that there was this HUGE bureaucracy associated with making editorial changes to country info box borders or title headers (where were you a week and a half ago when we started this project?).... This ask before edit was counter to what I understood of Wikipedia. We worked together and in good faith to bring interest and appeal to the info boxes while not changing the information contained there-in, posting on talk:Wales as we went, and things were fine for a week, when "an editor" took a profound exception to this. "The editor" and I have had disagreements on the talk:Scotland page regarding compromises on other issues, and to be honest I am uncertin at his neutrality and motives in this now. So have asked others for their imput, including a moderator. If the issue of colors is not suported by the wider community, then I shall defer to it. However, I feel strongly that we will be losing a profound oppurtunity to bring some signifcant and positive and proactive change to info boxs, that will both allow consistancy of information while allowing diversity of apearence. Why is it that the Ireland page (even if it is an island) can have color as part of its info box, yet Wales and others can not? Needless to say your attack on Wikid77 and his good faith edits is misplaced, and has left him and others dissillusioned with Wikipedia, and is disgusting in my opinion. He has left Wikipedia because of this. Thanks (read:irony). I ask for moderation from someone associated with moderation on wikipedia over this issue. ♦Drachenfyre♦· Talk 04:21, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Template:Infobox Country styled has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — -- Jza84 | Talk 09:43, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Seems to be using one of those coloured infoboxes. Is there a consensus to do so? -- Jza84 | Talk 11:47, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Relevant threads:
A while ago, modifications were made to {{ Infobox Former Country}} while a fork template of {{ Infobox Country}} was created with similar modifications. These changes made it possible for additional CSS coding to be placed in individual articles. The major purpose of this was to allow individual colouring of the infoboxes for individual articles, at the of some users working on Wales-related articles
Examples of these coloured infoboxes can be seen here, here, here, here, here, here, here and here. (Infobox Former Country still has this feature in place, for the purposes of this RFC)
The ensuing discussion led to the following major arguments for and against such a feature:
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So far no end result has been reached. There are those so far who say that the need for discussion is bureaucratic and against what Wikipedia is all about. There are those so far who say that the avoidance of any discussion is non-democratic and against what Wikipedia is all about. There are those who say both, making things very confusing. Now there's been a pause, everyone has had the chance for a nice cup of tea and a sit down, so now let's put an end to this. I see three options:
If there is not a clear overall agreement that makes sense across all articles (and not just country articles, and not just Wales-related articles) by the end of this RFC, option 3 (no colour option, as before) will be taken since that is currently the desired option by most of those who are responsible for maintaining these templates. - 52 Pickup (deal) 21:07, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Having laid out the situation, I support option 3 - although if I can be convinced by a better alternative, then I would consider option 2. There's no policy saying that this is not allowed, but I think that common sense is policy enough here. - 52 Pickup (deal) 21:07, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm doing some experiments on how to best print Wikipedia content. For various reasons, I have to ignore the CSS style sheet that comes with Wikipedia. Instead, I apply a newly written style sheet. However, when disregarding the style attribute, I lose valuable information. Ideally, I'd like for there to be a class attribute onto which I can attach similar styling. For example, the current template generates numeous elements that have a style attribute, but no associated class. For example:
<td colspan="3" style="line-height:1.2em; text-align:center;">
I propose adding classes to these elements. For example:
<td class="anthem" colspan="3" style="line-height:1.2em; text-align:center;">
This would make the Wikipedia markup more semantic and help reuse.
Howcome ( talk) 13:10, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
The recent changes to the template have broken it around the area section. See Japan or Poland for an example. This is the error code.
km² ([[List of countries and outlying territories by total area|]]) Expression error: Unexpected div operator sq mi
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If you view the section for Syntax > Parameters for Country or territory, it has national_motto and national_anthem. If you view the section for Examples > Example for Country or territory, it has motto and anthem. One of these sections should be changed for consistency.-- Rockfang ( talk) 11:54, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
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Would it be possible for someone to add a legislature field such as the one in the
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Can somebody take a look at the Kingdom of Gwynedd article? It appears to be using a non-consensual formatting style. -- Jza84 | Talk 11:27, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
See the Portuguese Wikipedia template for countries. More clear, more organized, more beauty. Why we don't use this format here? Felipe C.S ( talk ) 16:32, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
I would propose adding literacy rate to the infobox. The list includes the majority of widely recognised countries, and this is a distinction from the other development indexes( HDI, GDP). I would like to hear people's opinions on this. -- Hamster X ( talk) 13:21, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Why doesn't the symbol_type field render anything here? Polemarchus ( talk) 13:35, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
Something what has confused me for a while are country establishment dates in the infobox. Let's see the article on Russian Federation for example. "Founded ( 862) Arrival of Rurik to Novgorod", am I the only one who sees this a bit ridiculous? The article on Greece had some silly legendary dates as well, while historically notable, quite irrelevant when discussing the date of independency of the modern Hellenic Republic (a country with a modern parliament). The have removed those dates though (as of now), and only state the date of independence from the Ottoman Empire, which is a good thing I think. Would it be a good idea to add 300 BC to Vietnam because of Hồng Bàng Dynasty? I can't see how those can be called predecessor states to the modern countries, although the people there might have had the same "ethnicity". Shouldn't we remove everything else from there except the clearly relevant information to the (modern) country itself? -- Pudeo ⺮ 16:16, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
The template has links to common units like square mile and square km. Anyone that does not know one unit can look at the other in the conversion.
I see that Wikipedia:Context#What generally should not be linked says not to link "Plain English words, including common units of measurement". It gives some examples of common units in a footnote. Can somebody remove these links please? Lightmouse ( talk) 13:31, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
IMHO, the term largest city is ambigious. It doesn't tell the general reader if its by area size or by population. I think "largest_settlement" should be the only tag available or the "largest_city" tag should say (by area). Ninadhardikar ( talk) 01:58, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
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--><br/>[[Demographics of {{{common name}}}|(and largest city)]]
Should link to [[List of cities in {{{common name}}}]] instead of [[Demographics of {{{common name}}}]]. Or at least, that should be configurable. -- Waldir talk 09:17, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
{{#ifexist:List of cities in {{{common_name}}} |[[List of cities in {{{common_name}}}{{!}}(and {{{largest_settlement_type|largest city}}})]] |{{#ifexist:Demographics of {{{common_name}}} |[[Demographics of {{{common_name}}}{{!}}(and {{{largest_settlement_type|largest city}}})]] |(and {{{largest_settlement_type|largest city}}}) }} }}
I propose adding an image parameter for a landscape photograph which can represent the country. I was thinking something along the lines of what is used in Template:Infobox Settlement. This would be particularly useful for articles like Monaco, Vatican City, San Marino, Gibraltar, etc. What does everyone think? Regards, -- Gibmetal 77 talk 12:40, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
I am having difficulty understanding how this template generates the geographical coordinates code. I had posted a message at Template talk:coord because there was a problem with coord and GeoHack, but that has now been fixed. I tried the examples in Template:Infobox Country/testcases and got these results:
Place Zoom Region Type Globe Google Beijing 1 CN country 500 200 New Delhi 1 IN country 1000 200 Washington, D.C. 1 - country 1000 200 Brussels 1 BE country 500 100 Berlin 1 DE country 500 100
Each gave the same scale of 1:10000000 which is too large for cities.
Zoom region and type are from the GeoHack page. Numbers under Globe is the scale lengths that appear when I clicked on the globe to display the interactive javascript map. Numbers under Google Maps are the scale lengths seen when I click the cooordinates and then choose Google Maps.
So, is it possible to set the GeoHack type and scale parameters from this template?
For example, look at the tiny island of Sark and look at its "capital" La Seigneurie: click on the geo coordinates and you get a giant scale of 1:10000000 with type:country, which is far, far too large. - 84user ( talk) 02:29, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
I would like to propose including the HPI in addition to GDP. To include GDP as the main economic indicator reflects a belief that financial wealth is the most important economic indicator, a view which may be valid but not productive in a dispassionate encyclopaedia. A discussions of the merits and disadvantages of using the HPI (as well as a plethora of other non-GDP measures) can be found in a report commissioned by the European Parliament here. Additionally, an EU conference on non-GDP measures lists a variety of background reports here. The HPI measures the extent to which citizens can live long, happy lives without overstreaching environmental resources, and its use is becoming more politically important.
It would be nice to hear your views and see if we can come to some consensus. If the HPI is not considered for inclusion, I would argue that we should at least include one non-GDP measure due to the POV considerations I have mentioned above. Sumthingweird ( talk) 11:54, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Agree with many of the comments above: there shouldn't be too many indicators, and the ones displayed in the infobox should be (1) relevant for the article, (2) reliable and (3) available for as many countries as possible. GDP scores well in the categories 2&3, however has only a limited country relevance, as it only refers to a specialized non-qualitative economic measurement. The HDI is somewhat more relevant as it incorporates qualitative social measures along with the economic ones, while scoring similarly well in categories 2&3. The HPI scores very well for criteria 1, but has problems with criterias 2&3. I think the infobox should include indicators for all three realms of a country: Society, Economy & Nature. Currently, there are 4 economic indicators (GDP PPP & nominal x total and /capita), 2 social ones (Gini and HDI) but NONE Environmental. For a better balance I suggest (a) drop nominal GDP figures (this can appear in the economic section), retain PPP GDP figures only; (b) place HDI before/above GDP as it is more complex; (c) introduce an environmental indicator such as Ecological Footprint, or (or at least composite one such as the Happy Planet Index; Elekhh ( talk) 15:15, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
I would like to propose the arrow indicating changes in HDI be removed for many reasons:
I'd like to propose inclusion of Global Peace Index in Country Infobox template. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vikrant42 ( talk • contribs) 12:10, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Template:Infobox Former Country has the little flags indicating the preceding and successor countries. Perhaps there could be some sort of a provision in this current infobox for the immediate preceding countries. Not necessarily in the same style as IFC but some field catering to it perhaps so you have a full link between them all, can go back from the present article into the country/ies which made it up?- JLogan t: 11:35, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
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It seems that there is something wrong with the part of the template which defines the size of the coat of arms, flags and location maps on this infobox; on some pages, these images take up their full resolutions, making them wider than the page and making the infobox span the entire top of the page. This problem occurs on numerous country pages, including
Belarus,
United States,
United Kingdom and
Poland, but does not appear on others, i.e.
Fiji. An admin familiar with this template should investigate and make any necessary changes. Thanks,
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Please help The infobox includes a link to Flag of Palestine rather than the correct Palestinian flag; please amend the infobox or the article to fix it if you can. Thanks. — Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 00:29, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
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I'd like to propose a minor change in the formating of the name-of-country section of this infobox. Currently, it appears to be "native longform name(s) in native script", followed by "native longform name(s) romanized", followed by "English longform name". I think we should maintain this order, except move the English name to the top for ease of our readers. The current setup often places a large mass of otherwise indecipherable (to English users) text right at the top. See, for instance Switzerland, Transnistria, Russia, Burma, Ethiopia, Armenia, and so forth. This new order seems like a reasonable corollary to the way we begin articles: English name, followed by native names. The rationales of clarity and ease of use applies the same way in both cases. Erudy ( talk) 17:43, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Please remove:
-->{{#if:{{{native_name|}}}{{{conventional_long_name|}}}{{{name|}}} |<!--then: --><tr class="adr"> <th colspan="3" align="center" class="mergedtoprow fn org country-name" style="line-height:1.2em; padding:0.25em 0.33em 0.33em; font-size:1.25em;"><!-- -->{{#if:{{{native_name|}}} |<!--then:-->{{{native_name}}} }}<!-- -->{{#if:{{{conventional_long_name|}}}{{{name|}}} |<!--then:--><div style="padding-top:0.25em;"><!-- -->{{{conventional_long_name|}}}{{{name|}}}</div><!-- -->}}<!-- --></th> </tr><!-- -->}}<!--
And replace with:
-->{{#if:{{{conventional_long_name|}}}{{{native_name|}}}{{{name|}}} |<!--then: --><tr class="adr"> <th colspan="3" align="center" class="mergedtoprow fn org country-name" style="line-height:1.2em; padding:0.25em 0.33em 0.33em; font-size:1.25em;"><!-- -->{{#if:{{{conventional_long_name|}}} |<!--then:-->{{{conventional_long_name|}}} }}<!-- -->{{#if:{{{native_name|}}}{{{name|}}} |<!--then:--><div style="padding-top:0.25em;"><!-- -->{{{native_name|}}}{{{name|}}}</div><!-- -->}}<!-- --></th> </tr><!-- -->}}<!--
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Disambiguate Capital to Capital (political) by finding:
'''[[Capital]]'''
And replacing it with:
'''[[Capital (political)|Capital]]'''
And you're done! Gary King ( talk) 23:18, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
If you check the infobox in Lebanon, you'll notice that the scale used to display the capital is too large which makes it useless to locate a city. Maybe it should reduced to 1:100,000 or use city as a type for the coordinate template. In addition, Wikipedia:WikiProject Geographical coordinates says that the use of {{coor *}} is depreciated and replaced by {{ coord}}. Maybe you should consider switching. Thank you. Eklipse ( talk) 06:20, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
I was able to copy this to my wiki site ( http://wiki.mobianlegends.com/wiki/Template:Infobox_Country), and while all other infoboxes work without a single error, Infobox Country always puts out various HTML table tags, such as <tr>,<th>,and </div> all over the place. I've noticed that if i include |capital ANYWHERE, it loads up a </tr> tag with the template, but if it's commented-out or ignored, everything's fine. things are far worse for Infobox Geopolitical organization. I wish i knew why it did this... I have parserfunctions installed already as a prerequisite... RingtailedFox • Talk • Contribs 13:07, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Why are the "top level domain" and "calling code" parameters handled in fundamentally different ways? This is very confusing and not properly documented. The first one is output as is. The second one is automatically linked and given a subparameter for notes (which is not listed in the documentation). I feel strongly that the "calling code" parameter should also be output "as is" for three reasons:
If no one objects, I would like to fix this inconsistency. Obviously, this would require a bot run first to fix any articles that were actually using the secret subparameter. Kaldari ( talk) 17:35, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm working on the infobox for Abkhazia, a partially recognised country whose road to independence was and is rather complicated, and I need 11 entries for events that lead to its established, but at present 9 is the maximum number supported, so I request that this be extended to e.g. 19 by adding (part of) this code to the relevant section:
-->{{#if:{{{established_event10|}}} |<!--then: --><tr class="mergedbottomrow"> <td style="width:1em; padding:0 0 0 0.6em;"> - </td> <td style="padding-left:0em;">{{{established_event10}}}</td> <td>{{{established_date10|}}} </td> </tr><!-- -->}}<!-- -->{{#if:{{{established_event11|}}} |<!--then: --><tr class="mergedbottomrow"> <td style="width:1em; padding:0 0 0 0.6em;"> - </td> <td style="padding-left:0em;">{{{established_event11}}}</td> <td>{{{established_date11|}}} </td> </tr><!-- -->}}<!-- -->{{#if:{{{established_event12|}}} |<!--then: --><tr class="mergedbottomrow"> <td style="width:1em; padding:0 0 0 0.6em;"> - </td> <td style="padding-left:0em;">{{{established_event12}}}</td> <td>{{{established_date12|}}} </td> </tr><!-- -->}}<!-- -->{{#if:{{{established_event13|}}} |<!--then: --><tr class="mergedbottomrow"> <td style="width:1em; padding:0 0 0 0.6em;"> - </td> <td style="padding-left:0em;">{{{established_event13}}}</td> <td>{{{established_date13|}}} </td> </tr><!-- -->}}<!-- -->{{#if:{{{established_event14|}}} |<!--then: --><tr class="mergedbottomrow"> <td style="width:1em; padding:0 0 0 0.6em;"> - </td> <td style="padding-left:0em;">{{{established_event14}}}</td> <td>{{{established_date14|}}} </td> </tr><!-- -->}}<!-- -->{{#if:{{{established_event15|}}} |<!--then: --><tr class="mergedbottomrow"> <td style="width:1em; padding:0 0 0 0.6em;"> - </td> <td style="padding-left:0em;">{{{established_event15}}}</td> <td>{{{established_date15|}}} </td> </tr><!-- -->}}<!-- -->{{#if:{{{established_event16|}}} |<!--then: --><tr class="mergedbottomrow"> <td style="width:1em; padding:0 0 0 0.6em;"> - </td> <td style="padding-left:0em;">{{{established_event16}}}</td> <td>{{{established_date16|}}} </td> </tr><!-- -->}}<!-- -->{{#if:{{{established_event17|}}} |<!--then: --><tr class="mergedbottomrow"> <td style="width:1em; padding:0 0 0 0.6em;"> - </td> <td style="padding-left:0em;">{{{established_event17}}}</td> <td>{{{established_date17|}}} </td> </tr><!-- -->}}<!-- -->{{#if:{{{established_event18|}}} |<!--then: --><tr class="mergedbottomrow"> <td style="width:1em; padding:0 0 0 0.6em;"> - </td> <td style="padding-left:0em;">{{{established_event18}}}</td> <td>{{{established_date18|}}} </td> </tr><!-- -->}}<!-- -->{{#if:{{{established_event19|}}} |<!--then: --><tr class="mergedbottomrow"> <td style="width:1em; padding:0 0 0 0.6em;"> - </td> <td style="padding-left:0em;">{{{established_event19}}}</td> <td>{{{established_date19|}}} </td> </tr><!-- -->}}<!--
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See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (mathematics). For "five minus three", one writes
not
nor
and certainly not
A minus sign is longer than a mere hyphen and one puts spaces (preferably non-breakable IMO) before and after it. In Grenada, I changed the hyphen to a minus sign. It comes out as
with no space before or after the minus sign. I don't know how to fix this. Can someone attend to that? Michael Hardy ( talk) 18:06, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Take the box in the Greece article for example. The layout leads the reader (and apparently the editor) to believe that the coordinates in the infobox are the coordinates of the capital, while in fact the coordinates are of type:country. In this particular case a second set of coordinates (this time actually the country) has been added to the article. This is unsatisfactory, as it makes data extraction unpredictable and complicated. Automatic data extraction is ultimately for the benefit of the reader. For example the labels displayed on the meta:WikiMiniAtlas are extracted from coordinate data in the articles, and correct display depends on correct naming and typing of the embedded coordinates. -- Dschwen 19:35, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
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This template currently uses " km²".
WP:MOSNUM states "Avoid the unicode characters ² and ³. [..] Instead, use superscript markup, created with <sup></sup>".
This should ideally be changed to " km<sup>2</sup>". — Sladen ( talk) 13:58, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
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02:17, 4 December 2008 (UTC)Would be usefull. Spitfire19 ( Talk) 21:18, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
Would it be possible to create a section to display National Languages ie. Languages which are spoken widely but aren't official, for example: Shona and Ndebele in Zimbabwe are national languages but have no official capacity. Thanks Mangwanani (talk) 12:32, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
I can't seem to find this here. Both the two and three letter codes should be added. ISO 3166-1 has been around since 1974. Eg: United States: "US" and "USA", Canada "CA" and "CAD", etc. Right after the globe map would be good. Facts707 ( talk) 14:34, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
I recently answered a request at Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2009_May_29#Infobox_question. Would someone with their head in this template please update the documentation. There is at least one undocumented parameter and there needs to be an explanation of how some of the links are built. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 11:35, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
As seen from the box in the Monaco article, Largest {{{largest_settlement_type|city}}} should be replace with {{{largest_settlement_type|Largest city}}}. 01:09, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Under flag there is "Coat of arms", and under coat of arms there's nothing.
{{ Infobox Former Country}} has a parameter for "status" and "status text," which can be used to mark something as a client state ( Confederation of the Rhine, Slovak Republic (1939-1945)) or a protectorate ( Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia) or the like. Could someone add that to this template? It would be useful for such articles as Greenland (to mark as a constituent country of the Kingdom of the Netherlands). Mnmazur ( talk)
Does anyone know how can I change the size of the map while using the template? in other templates you put a bar (|) and then put the size you want (230px), I tried to do it in this one but it didn't work, can anyone fix the template so we can resize the maps or tell me how can I do it? thanks. Supaman89 ( talk) 01:18, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Can we have section on the main source(s) of income and/or main industries? I can include this section, but would like to know whether this obvious section was excluded for any specific reasons. Thanks NëŧΜǒńğer Peace Talks 05:50, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
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As per
WP:ALT and
WP:ACCESSIBILITY I just now added
alt attributes to the images in
India, but since {{
Infobox Country}} doesn't support this I couldn't do it for the images in the lead infobox. I have run into similar problems with other infoboxes (e.g., {{
Infobox Disease}} in
Autism) and made the obvious changes to these templates, which work; please see, for example,
Template talk:Infobox Disease #Alt attribute in infobox image. To do the same thing here, please install into {{
Infobox Country}}
the edit that I just now made to {{
Infobox Country/sandbox}}. I have added a test case for this by copying
India's current infobox to
Template:Infobox Country/testcases #India, and the sandbox is working for the test case, in that the sandbox images have proper alt text. Thanks.
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{{ editprotected}} Currently, it seems that the common name is used to look up for the flag and emblem links, so that "France" as a common name is going to create a "Flag of France" and "Emblem of France" links. Althought this is fine for most countries, it isn't for all them. For instance, the common name of the Republic of China is "Taiwan" but it doesn't seem accurate to link the flag to "Flag of Taiwan" (the article doesn't actually exist on Wikipedia) because there's not such thing as a flag of Taiwan and it also can be confused with the proposed flag of Taiwan. The same comment applies to the "Flag of China" which technically doesn't exist and, perhaps more importantly (at least on Wikipedia), it wouldn't be appropriate to imply that it does. Actually, the "common name" field on People's Republic of China is currently set to "the People's Republic of China" which is inaccurate and I presume it was done to go around the limitations of the template. So, if possible, I would suggest adding an optional field that would allow specifying the link to the flag on Wikipedia. If the field is not there, then it should default to the "Flag of <common_name>" as it is now. Laurent ( talk) 08:05, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
I notice the template currently has the order of preference with metric units first, whereas WP:MOSNUM would indicated that the US for example would have imperial first. This means that where both are quoted the template is at odds with this guideline. Would adding a flag to specify order of preference eliminate this ambiguity? Order preference is currently done with other templates such as the weatherbox for example. Justin talk 17:15, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
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Can we make infobox updates to this template like we did to other templates?-- PK2 ( talk) 19:33, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
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Two new fields: "flag_link" and "emblem_link" need to be added to allow specifying the links to the flag and emblem pages. Currently, the links are built by prepending "Flag of " and "Emblem of " to the common name, however this is not a good solution for many countries. For instance, the common name of the People's Republic of China is "China", but there is no such thing as a "Flag of China". Adding these new fields would allow going around this sort of issue by explicitely linking to "Flag of the People's Republic of China". Of course if the fields are not specified, the infobox should default to "Flag of <common_name>" and "Emblem of <common_name>" for backward compatibility. I think this change is uncontroversial because none of the existing infoboxes will be affected, however if something is unclear in my proposition please let me know. Laurent ( talk) 13:40, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
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Please sync with
the sandbox. This fixes a small error where the template would output <th colspan="2">Establishment</th><td></td>
rather than <th colspan="3">Establishment</th>
. TIA. —
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Request sync with sandbox for minor style tweaks to make width consistent with contemporary infoboxes (22em vs 46ex) and to ensure that text displays at the same size in both IE and Firefox. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 19:25, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
|area_km2 = 36,125
|area_sq_mi = 13,948
36,125 km2 (13,948 sq mi) or 13,948 sq mi (36,125 km2) There is a problem here.
See also
Talk:Guinea-Bissau#Conversions in infoboxes 36,544 km2 (14,110 sq mi), what is it???
I suspect that similar anamolies can be found in the infoboxes of other countries. The consistant use of
Template:convert is highly recommended.
Peter Horn
User talk
00:25, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
I think we need to add an ITU designation of national broadcast system(s) used entry here. -- 85.240.208.70 ( talk) 11:23, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Can we add a section that lists the countries standardized power plug? A good list has already been made in wikipedia. This information would be in line with other such facts found in the template like the side of the road driven and international calling code. -- Phoenix ( talk) 23:16, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Agree with some of the comments above: the infobox is getting a bit fat. One area it could get slimmer is the GDP section: currently it provides four different measurements of GDP - a gross and non-qualitative economic indicator. Also note that the GDP figures are followed by the HDI composite index, which itself is made up 1/3 by the GDP. Thus the infobox appears to have a bit of a GDP growth bias. And why is there a line between GDP (PPP) and GDP (nominal) - aren't these both economic indicators of similar nature? Therefore I suggest:
Anybody agree? Elekhh ( talk) 09:46, 19 October 2009 (UTC) Anybody disagree? anybody there? Elekhh ( talk) 12:19, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
Following on from the discussion above I believe that the drives_on and possibly date_format be removed from the template -- Barryob (Contribs) (Talk) 18:16, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Is there a reason for the images (flags, emblems, etc) link to the image description, and not to the article about the flag?
Especially in the infobox of former countries, the images linking to previous and next regimes are annoying when the arrow linking to the actual article is barely visible and one would think that the image is the link to the article.
Thanks, Spiff ( talk) 17:09, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
I noticed that the coordinates for capitals etc currently use type:country({{{area_km2|}}}). That seems like it should be type:city{{population}}_region — TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 12:09, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
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When one tries to nail down a capital city on a country map, sometimes using just degrees and minutes doesn't get one close enough. Would it be okay to add seconds to the Coord template's code?
—
.`^) Paine Ellsworth
diss`cuss (^`.
13:23, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
|{{{latm}}}|{{{lats}}}|{{{latNS}}}|{{{longd}}}|{{{longm}}}|{{{longs}}}|{{{longEW}}}|
{{ editprotected}} To the embedded {{ Coord}} templates, please add the "seconds" parameter to complete the "dms" formula. The "seconds" parameter (in bronze below) may be added as follows...
|<!---then4:
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capital is largest_city or largest_settlement:
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--><br/>[[Demographics of {{{common_name}}}|(and {{{largest_settlement_type|largest city}}})]]
</td><!--
--------Add capital:--------
--><td>{{{capital}}}<!--
--------Add capital's latitude and longitude (if provided):-------
-->{{#if:{{{latd|}}}
|<!--then:--><br/><small><span style="white-space:nowrap;"><!--
-->{{coord|{{{latd}}}|{{{latm}}}|{{{lats}}}|{{{latNS}}}|{{{longd}}}<!--
-->|{{{longm}}}|{{{longs}}}|{{{longEW}}}|type:country({{{area_km2|}}})<!--
-->}}</span></small><!--
-->}}
</td><!--
-->|<!---else4:
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capital isn't largest_city or largest_settlement:
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--></td><!--
--------Add capital/admin center:--------
--><td>{{{capital|}}}{{{admin_center|}}}<!--
--------Add capital/admin center's [lat/long]itude (if provided):-------
-->{{#if:{{{latd|}}}
|<!--then:--><br/><small><span style="white-space:nowrap;"><!--
-->{{coord|{{{latd}}}|{{{latm}}}|{{{lats}}}|{{{latNS}}}|{{{longd}}}<!--
-->|{{{longm}}}|{{{longs}}}|{{{longEW}}}|type:country({{{area_km2|}}})<!--
-->}}</span></small><!--
-->}}
</td><!--
Thank you very much! — .`^) Paine Ellsworth diss`cuss (^`. 16:37, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
A default value of 00 can be used if lats/longs is not specified, but the problem is that this introduces specificity where it was not there before. Some people would argue there is a difference between lat.latm vs lat.latm.00 — TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 18:33, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
It's been awhile, as I've been caught up in other projects. Since there has been no discussion for about twelve days, and since I would still like to see seconds added to this template to round out the "dms" system in use, I shall address the concerns presented so far...
{{{lats|00}}} and {{{longs|00}}}
– are added right now, then until at least the empty parameters are added, that is, until at least "lats= " and "longs= " are added to a specific article's Infobox Country code, the "00" will appear in the seconds position of the coordinates link. First of all, please note that in the
European Union infobox, in which the coordinates for the Commission seat, Brussels, have been entered, the seconds values for both latitude and longitude actually are zero, which precisely focuses on the city of Brussels. This will happen sometimes.Additional note: When the time comes, all that will be necessary is to copy and paste the code in the Infobox Country/sandbox to the "live" Infobox Country. The sandbox version is precisely the same TOP to BOTTOM as the live version, with of course the exception that the root seconds parameters have been added to the sandbox version. I've retained a copy in my own sandbox in case the template sandbox is altered.
— Paine's Climax 05:53, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
Another example has been found where this template could use the seconds parameter. In the Infobox Country of the
British Virgin Islands article, the coordinates for the capital, Road Town, have been decimalized in the minutes parameter. This is another case where I would not be able to enter the seconds coordinates prior to adding the root parameter to this infobox, because the latitude is 18° 25' 53". So if I were to enter this, and the seconds are not registered in this template, then the maplink would be significantly too far south of the Road Town position. So while I will be able to enter the seconds coordinates into some Infobox Country infoboxes, others would have to wait until this template is upgraded to dms. I would still like to receive assurances that this will happen before I embark on the long road to add the seconds coordinates to as many Infobox Country infoboxes as possible.
—
Paine's
Climax
04:33, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Noted in the Japan article is the indistinct border of Japan's flag in the infobox. Basically, what I see is a large red dot where a flag image is expected to be. Then I look closer and I can just barely make out the border of the flag.
See also: South Korea – Indonesia – Russia
I'm unable to find any parameter that would give the flag a distinct border. This could be done by including an all-covering border=1 parameter and value, or by just including the "border" parameter as an option that can be adjusted in the individual articles. This affects all flags that have a white background. Options and suggestions, please?
—
.`^) Paine Ellsworth
diss`cuss (^`.
08:09, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
It seems to me that it would be useful to add a failed_state_index_rank parameter (see Failed state#Failed States Index and List of countries by Failed States Index). Barring objections, I may add it. Comments? Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 07:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
I stumbled across an issue when trying to introduce a small amendment copied from Wales to Northern Ireland & Scotland. It occurs to me that the Info Box is where this information should be included (whether or not it is further developed in the article itself). The member states of the European Union are represented by elected members who represent regional constituencies. In the UK, Scotland, Wales & NI are each a single constituency returning 6,4 & 3 elected members respectively. England has 9 regional constituencies returning 69 members of the EU Parliament. This seems to be the sort of basic detail that should be included in the country info box and used for all of the EU countries, irrespective of out-references in the article body. Any thoughts? Leaky Caldron 12:09, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Sorry but that is such a random piece of info for the infobox. Like who cares. It isn't important. It's like putting left handed or right handed in the bio infobox. Come on this should be remove. Who's with me say I.-- Everyone Dies In the End ( talk) 03:54, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
(out). The fact that such an appropriate inclusion of travel information that is in many, many infoboxes draws such painful discussion such as the
completely inappropriate words of "Sadly I am sure my call for reason . . ." above tells me I'm correct that this info/data, whatever, should be kept.
—
Paine's
Climax
19:18, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
I believe this information should definitely be included on Wikipedia, but it has its own dedicated article and it does not need to be included in countries' infoboxes. sephia karta | di mi 11:48, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
I have stated before that I believe this to be very useful information since it is not typically included in the prose of the article so it should be kept. -- Phoenix ( talk) 05:44, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
I'm thinking type:country({{{area_km2|}}})
in the template should get simplified to type:country
. As far as I can tell, the type:country
parameter of the {{
Coord}} template was never intended to take a subparameter like type:city
does -- see
Template:Coord/doc. If there's no objection, I'd like to remove the subparameter from the template. --
Stepheng3 (
talk)
07:11, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
What's the deal here? The whole Capital (and largest city) thing makes sense when they are one and the same, but why the hell doesn't it just say "Largest city" anymore? There's no point to that, it's just awkward wording. Eightball ( talk) 03:44, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
It looks like the documentation of the area parameters is incorrect and/or outdated. I've added the area_footnote parameter to the documentation but, from a look at the template, the area parameter seems to be unsupported. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 03:15, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
Hey folks,
Can we make this infobox use a common "shell" infobox template, a la {{ WPBannerMeta}}? -- Phillip Kragulj ( talk) 09:25, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
could someone add the highest/lowest point of the country in the template ? thanks Polylepsis ( talk) 19:33, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
The terms are often misused, and there should be stricter application of the terms for Accuracy's sake.
An emblem is any image used to represent something or anything, a type of catch all term. A coat of arms is a specific type of emblem that requires an image displayed upon a shield, with other embellishments optional, that must adhere to heraldic norms. Any emblem that is heraldic in nature but not on a shield would be termed a badge. Other words that could be used in place of emblem are symbol, mark or device; insignia refers to things representing an office or power, so would not be appropriate to refer to a sovereign nation's emblem as such.
A seal is not the same as an emblem, but a device used by nations to give approval and authenticate treaties and other legally binding documents. A seal can depict the national emblem, but does not need to. For example, the seal of the U.K. usually showed the king enthroned on the front side and the king on horseback on the other side. The most recent seal of Queen Elizabeth II is the first U.K. seal to depict the coat of arms of the monarch upon it. The U.S., alternately, has always used a coat of arms upon its seal. However, when the president or Congress use the device as a backdrop, it is acting as an emblem or a coat of arms, and it is improper to refer to it as a seal in such instances.
Is there perhaps a better place to discuss this? I had found a style manual page, but not quite sure if that is where such things should be discussed. [tk] XANDERLIPTAK 04:33, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
If you head on over to Macau and check out the infobox you'll notice problems in the section on largest_settlement_type and largest_city. I've tried to figure out how to correct the problem, but was unable to. Thought it should be brought to your attention. Danshil ( talk) 17:58, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Currently, "Population" section links to Population, which is too general. In the context of the infobox, the link should be to List of countries by population. (Suggested patch: replace [[Population]] with [[List of countries by population|Population]] in the text of the template.) -- RoboTact ( talk) 18:37, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
An administrator should edit the following line: < td >{{{FR total_population_estimate}}} ([ [List of countries by population in 2005 | {{{FR total_population_estimate_rank}}}] ])< / td >
by replacing the outdated link "List of countries by population in 2005" with the up-to-date page "List of countries by population".
The same should be done with the line: < td >{{{FR metropole_population}}} ([ [List of countries by population in 2005 |{{{FR metropole_population_estimate_rank}}}] ])< / td >
Der Statistiker (
talk)
15:59, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
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I have just noticed that the template links, amongst other terms, 'Area', 'water' and '%'. These should be
delinked because they are generic terms not germane to the subject.
Ohconfucius
¡digame!
06:39, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
At least there seems to be agreement that Area, Water and % should no longer be linked. Can this be done first? Ohconfucius ¡digame! 07:14, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
Okay, can we at least agree for now to degeneralize the links by linking "Area" to
List of countries and outlying territories by total area, and "Water %" together to
List of countries by percentage of water area, so that the ibox links will specifically clarify to general readers what is meant?
— Paine (
Ellsworth's
Climax)
21:08, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
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While the original request in this discussion asked that the "Area", "Water" and "%" generic links be delinked, and while consensus on this has not yet taken place, it appears that there is consensus that the present links are too general. Since there has been no discussion for three days, I propose that these links be made more specific. The "Area" link can go to
List of countries and outlying territories by total area, and the "Water" and "%" links can be combined and go to
List of countries by percentage of water area. (The result is actually a partial "delinking", since we are opting for two links where before there were three links.) This improvement will help young readers and perhaps readers who learned English as a foreign language, who need more info about what the data in the ibox means.
I have made these changes in the
sandbox, and the results can be observed on the
testcases page. So the sandbox code can be copied to the live
Infobox country template page.
— Paine (
Ellsworth's
Climax)
23:00, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi all. There is an ongoing dispute over what languages should go in the regional_languages field. The template prompts to list those which are "officially recognized" but we don't know what makes a regional language recognized or not. I have proposed my definition, based only on common sense. Is there a legal definition? Is there a definition at the Wikipedia level? Thank you for enlightening me on this. — Xavier, 21:47, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
Infobox country/Archive 6 | |
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Official languages | French |
Regional languages |
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{{Infobox country
|official_languages = [[French]]
|languages_type = [[Regional languages]]
|languages = {{collapsible list |title = {{nbsp}} |[[Alsatian language|Alsatian]]; [[Basque language|Basque]]; . . .}}
}}
On the Talk:France page, due to the fact that France has only one "official" language, French, it was asked if the "Official languages" could be changed to "Official language". This, of course, would not be appropriate, I would suppose, since many countries have more than one official language. So how about using the parentheses, as in:
Official language(s)
? Is this a feasible solution?
— Paine (
Ellsworth's
Climax)
10:50, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
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There have been around five days since I suggested the above with no discussion. So I altered the
Infobox country/sandbox version, and the result can be seen on the
Infobox country/testcases page. Please copy the sandbox version to the source of the active template to implement this edit. Thank you very much!
— Paine (
Ellsworth's
Climax)
16:55, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
(Just out of curiosity, I found that in the France ibox, the parameter for the official language is:
|language = French
singular "language", which makes French show as the "Official languages"; however, this parameter is in the /doc as
|official languages =
so I'm wondering if the "language =" parameter is an appropriate addition to the doc?)
— Paine (
Ellsworth's
Climax)
11:05, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
Currently the template:Infobox Geopolitical organization redirects to the template:Infobox country. I propose to redirect it instead to the template:Infobox organization as the geopolitical organization is also an organization and is more close to a general organizations than countries. Beagel ( talk) 19:16, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone object to me setting up automatic archiving for this page using MiszaBot? Unless otherwise agreed, I would set it to archive threads that have been inactive for 30 days and keep at least ten threads.-- Oneiros ( talk) 14:16, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
In examining Israel that is at WP:FAR it has come to light that the economic numbers such as GDP are automatically branded as estimates. Surely the status as estimate ought to be optional? The IMF seems to produce definite numbers for the year before at around September or so. The numbers at that time are not estimates. Then by the middle of February there are numbers available that are estimates for the preceding year. There must be several featured articles on countries and this sort of inexactitude isn't really what should be accepted in featured material.-- Peter cohen ( talk) 21:13, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
Hello. There is an ongoing discussion about what information should be in the parameter "Native name". The documentation of the infobox states that native name is the "conventional long-form in native language". I understand "native" to mean "local language", that just makes sense and is analogous to other encyclopedias (concept of "conventional local name"). So far that's what I've seen in the other country articles, so I just need confirmation.
So if a source indicates that the official name of a country is in a language (say Spanish), that should go there, right? For example (as in the CIA world fact book):
Thanks. Please comment. 201.173.187.48 ( talk) 11:28, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
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Fix needed for DST display where only the time zone is given and not the offset. Old:
-->{{#if:{{{utc_offset_DST|}}} |<!--then:
New:
-->{{#if:{{{time_zone_DST|}}}{{{utc_offset_DST|}}} |<!--then:
Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 19:35, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Please allow overriding of
|utc_offset=−5 to −10 |utc_offset_DST=−4 to −10
with
|utc_offset_min=−5 |utc_offset_max=−10 |utc_offset_DST_min=−4 |utc_offset_DST_max=−10
and then display links min and max, i.e.
UTC-5 to UTC-10 UTC-4 to UTC-10
Data taken from USA. This is needed for countries with multiple time offsets from UTC. TimeCurrency ( talk) 18:53, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
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I came here because of concern that hyphens were wrong used, instead of minus signs, in the edit summary. I have changed them in this example.
Tony
(talk)
23:44, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
I reverted the alteration of my talk contribution. If values are split, the template could easily detect wrong input, since the number of possible values can be taken from template:Timezones. This is one more reason to split. I asked at User talk:CBDunkerson#Time zone fix for help to add code to the sandbox. TimeCurrency ( talk) 12:44, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
|utc_offset=[[UTC-5|−5]] to [[UTC-10]]
The economy of each country is currently "summarised" in the infobox through four different measures of the GDP and associated rankings. This is too much data providing too little information. The GDP is simply a measure of a country's overall economic output which has many limitations and does not provide any information about any aspect of the economy other than overall size, such as importance of each economic sector, size of informal economy, wealth distribution, sustainability of growth, etc. Thus 8 (eight) numbers are provided for a single and limited purpose. I think this is not consistent with the aim of the infobox, which is to provide a "summary or overview information about the subject". The nominal GDP expressed in US dollars has little relevance for non-US readers. For the purposes of comparison of the size of national economies the GDP PPP and associated ranking are more relevant than nominal GDP. Therefore I suggest removing the nominal GDP parameters (GDP_nominal, GDP_nominal_rank, GDP_nominal_year, GDP_nominal_per_capita, GDP_nominal_per_capita_rank) from the infobox, as they do not provide much extra insight compared to GDP PPP. For the United States the two measures are identical. For all other countries GDP PPP is more relevant. Elekhh ( talk) 03:57, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | ← | Archive 4 | Archive 5 | Archive 6 | Archive 7 | Archive 8 | → | Archive 10 |
12-April-2008: Topics above have raised the issue of color blindness. I've analyzed the problem based on medical sources ( red-green colorblindness actually refers to several types). In general, just use high-contrast colors: black lettering on any color is typically visible to all. The most common problems are medium shades of red-green or orange-green combinations, but there are at least 8 forms of color blindness (see linked article for diagnosis-image as test for blindness). More men are afflicted because the problem is on the X chromosome with Y neutral, and women, with 2 X chromosomes, have 2 chances to get full-color vision. Anyway, black lettering on any color is typically visible to all (no need to worry about text). - Wikid77 ( talk) 22:05, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
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13-April-2008: I never fail to be utterly stunned at the hollow content of Wikipedia. In the discussion above, some had considered that color was totally irrelevant to countries. Currently, a Wikipedia search for "red white blue" does find the 2002 hit single " Courtesy of the Red, White, & Blue (The Angry American)" by Toby Keith. However, try that search on Google some time. I cannot emphasize enough how, in the USA, "red white and blue" means America, not colors in the French flag. In fact, if someone traveled across America and said "huh?" when people mentioned red, white & blue, that person would be instantly spotted as an illegal alien. OMG, hello, wake up: red/white/blue is such a massive cultural icon in America, I am stunned that Weakipedia is yet again clueless. Total ignorance of America and red/white/blue is such a massive hole in the Wikipedia coverage, it is utterly pathetic. For those who had thought color was irrelevant, please try Google "red white blue" some time with an open mind. Thank God people suggested putting colored borders on country infoboxes or this enormous gap in Wikipedia coverage on America might have gone another 6 years undetected: weakipedia, weakipedia, weakipedia, people please help not hinder. - Wikid77 ( talk) 07:26, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
Please, show me specifically in writting in the MoS that says we can not have info box borders or title headers? The specific text please, if so, then I shall defer. Until then, and unles we get a moderator for the issue, we remain at an impass. ♦Drachenfyre♦· Talk 01:40, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Look, Wikid77 is not to blame for the country info boxes or the title borders. As an editor, I asked if it was possible to do this, based off of the fact that Ireland has a VERY nifty colored info box. At the time I had no idea that it was an island default, when someone suggested there that I post here about how to do this. Wikid77 was kind enough to answer the call. Nor did I know that there was this HUGE bureaucracy associated with making editorial changes to country info box borders or title headers (where were you a week and a half ago when we started this project?).... This ask before edit was counter to what I understood of Wikipedia. We worked together and in good faith to bring interest and appeal to the info boxes while not changing the information contained there-in, posting on talk:Wales as we went, and things were fine for a week, when "an editor" took a profound exception to this. "The editor" and I have had disagreements on the talk:Scotland page regarding compromises on other issues, and to be honest I am uncertin at his neutrality and motives in this now. So have asked others for their imput, including a moderator. If the issue of colors is not suported by the wider community, then I shall defer to it. However, I feel strongly that we will be losing a profound oppurtunity to bring some signifcant and positive and proactive change to info boxs, that will both allow consistancy of information while allowing diversity of apearence. Why is it that the Ireland page (even if it is an island) can have color as part of its info box, yet Wales and others can not? Needless to say your attack on Wikid77 and his good faith edits is misplaced, and has left him and others dissillusioned with Wikipedia, and is disgusting in my opinion. He has left Wikipedia because of this. Thanks (read:irony). I ask for moderation from someone associated with moderation on wikipedia over this issue. ♦Drachenfyre♦· Talk 04:21, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Template:Infobox Country styled has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — -- Jza84 | Talk 09:43, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Seems to be using one of those coloured infoboxes. Is there a consensus to do so? -- Jza84 | Talk 11:47, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Relevant threads:
A while ago, modifications were made to {{ Infobox Former Country}} while a fork template of {{ Infobox Country}} was created with similar modifications. These changes made it possible for additional CSS coding to be placed in individual articles. The major purpose of this was to allow individual colouring of the infoboxes for individual articles, at the of some users working on Wales-related articles
Examples of these coloured infoboxes can be seen here, here, here, here, here, here, here and here. (Infobox Former Country still has this feature in place, for the purposes of this RFC)
The ensuing discussion led to the following major arguments for and against such a feature:
For individual colours | Against individual colours |
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So far no end result has been reached. There are those so far who say that the need for discussion is bureaucratic and against what Wikipedia is all about. There are those so far who say that the avoidance of any discussion is non-democratic and against what Wikipedia is all about. There are those who say both, making things very confusing. Now there's been a pause, everyone has had the chance for a nice cup of tea and a sit down, so now let's put an end to this. I see three options:
If there is not a clear overall agreement that makes sense across all articles (and not just country articles, and not just Wales-related articles) by the end of this RFC, option 3 (no colour option, as before) will be taken since that is currently the desired option by most of those who are responsible for maintaining these templates. - 52 Pickup (deal) 21:07, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Having laid out the situation, I support option 3 - although if I can be convinced by a better alternative, then I would consider option 2. There's no policy saying that this is not allowed, but I think that common sense is policy enough here. - 52 Pickup (deal) 21:07, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm doing some experiments on how to best print Wikipedia content. For various reasons, I have to ignore the CSS style sheet that comes with Wikipedia. Instead, I apply a newly written style sheet. However, when disregarding the style attribute, I lose valuable information. Ideally, I'd like for there to be a class attribute onto which I can attach similar styling. For example, the current template generates numeous elements that have a style attribute, but no associated class. For example:
<td colspan="3" style="line-height:1.2em; text-align:center;">
I propose adding classes to these elements. For example:
<td class="anthem" colspan="3" style="line-height:1.2em; text-align:center;">
This would make the Wikipedia markup more semantic and help reuse.
Howcome ( talk) 13:10, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
The recent changes to the template have broken it around the area section. See Japan or Poland for an example. This is the error code.
km² ([[List of countries and outlying territories by total area|]]) Expression error: Unexpected div operator sq mi
Harryboyles 13:53, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
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If you view the section for Syntax > Parameters for Country or territory, it has national_motto and national_anthem. If you view the section for Examples > Example for Country or territory, it has motto and anthem. One of these sections should be changed for consistency.-- Rockfang ( talk) 11:54, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
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Would it be possible for someone to add a legislature field such as the one in the
Template:Infobox Former Country --
Barryob
(Contribs)
(Talk)
18:03, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Can somebody take a look at the Kingdom of Gwynedd article? It appears to be using a non-consensual formatting style. -- Jza84 | Talk 11:27, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
See the Portuguese Wikipedia template for countries. More clear, more organized, more beauty. Why we don't use this format here? Felipe C.S ( talk ) 16:32, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
I would propose adding literacy rate to the infobox. The list includes the majority of widely recognised countries, and this is a distinction from the other development indexes( HDI, GDP). I would like to hear people's opinions on this. -- Hamster X ( talk) 13:21, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Why doesn't the symbol_type field render anything here? Polemarchus ( talk) 13:35, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
Something what has confused me for a while are country establishment dates in the infobox. Let's see the article on Russian Federation for example. "Founded ( 862) Arrival of Rurik to Novgorod", am I the only one who sees this a bit ridiculous? The article on Greece had some silly legendary dates as well, while historically notable, quite irrelevant when discussing the date of independency of the modern Hellenic Republic (a country with a modern parliament). The have removed those dates though (as of now), and only state the date of independence from the Ottoman Empire, which is a good thing I think. Would it be a good idea to add 300 BC to Vietnam because of Hồng Bàng Dynasty? I can't see how those can be called predecessor states to the modern countries, although the people there might have had the same "ethnicity". Shouldn't we remove everything else from there except the clearly relevant information to the (modern) country itself? -- Pudeo ⺮ 16:16, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
The template has links to common units like square mile and square km. Anyone that does not know one unit can look at the other in the conversion.
I see that Wikipedia:Context#What generally should not be linked says not to link "Plain English words, including common units of measurement". It gives some examples of common units in a footnote. Can somebody remove these links please? Lightmouse ( talk) 13:31, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
IMHO, the term largest city is ambigious. It doesn't tell the general reader if its by area size or by population. I think "largest_settlement" should be the only tag available or the "largest_city" tag should say (by area). Ninadhardikar ( talk) 01:58, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
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--><br/>[[Demographics of {{{common name}}}|(and largest city)]]
Should link to [[List of cities in {{{common name}}}]] instead of [[Demographics of {{{common name}}}]]. Or at least, that should be configurable. -- Waldir talk 09:17, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
{{#ifexist:List of cities in {{{common_name}}} |[[List of cities in {{{common_name}}}{{!}}(and {{{largest_settlement_type|largest city}}})]] |{{#ifexist:Demographics of {{{common_name}}} |[[Demographics of {{{common_name}}}{{!}}(and {{{largest_settlement_type|largest city}}})]] |(and {{{largest_settlement_type|largest city}}}) }} }}
I propose adding an image parameter for a landscape photograph which can represent the country. I was thinking something along the lines of what is used in Template:Infobox Settlement. This would be particularly useful for articles like Monaco, Vatican City, San Marino, Gibraltar, etc. What does everyone think? Regards, -- Gibmetal 77 talk 12:40, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
I am having difficulty understanding how this template generates the geographical coordinates code. I had posted a message at Template talk:coord because there was a problem with coord and GeoHack, but that has now been fixed. I tried the examples in Template:Infobox Country/testcases and got these results:
Place Zoom Region Type Globe Google Beijing 1 CN country 500 200 New Delhi 1 IN country 1000 200 Washington, D.C. 1 - country 1000 200 Brussels 1 BE country 500 100 Berlin 1 DE country 500 100
Each gave the same scale of 1:10000000 which is too large for cities.
Zoom region and type are from the GeoHack page. Numbers under Globe is the scale lengths that appear when I clicked on the globe to display the interactive javascript map. Numbers under Google Maps are the scale lengths seen when I click the cooordinates and then choose Google Maps.
So, is it possible to set the GeoHack type and scale parameters from this template?
For example, look at the tiny island of Sark and look at its "capital" La Seigneurie: click on the geo coordinates and you get a giant scale of 1:10000000 with type:country, which is far, far too large. - 84user ( talk) 02:29, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
I would like to propose including the HPI in addition to GDP. To include GDP as the main economic indicator reflects a belief that financial wealth is the most important economic indicator, a view which may be valid but not productive in a dispassionate encyclopaedia. A discussions of the merits and disadvantages of using the HPI (as well as a plethora of other non-GDP measures) can be found in a report commissioned by the European Parliament here. Additionally, an EU conference on non-GDP measures lists a variety of background reports here. The HPI measures the extent to which citizens can live long, happy lives without overstreaching environmental resources, and its use is becoming more politically important.
It would be nice to hear your views and see if we can come to some consensus. If the HPI is not considered for inclusion, I would argue that we should at least include one non-GDP measure due to the POV considerations I have mentioned above. Sumthingweird ( talk) 11:54, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Agree with many of the comments above: there shouldn't be too many indicators, and the ones displayed in the infobox should be (1) relevant for the article, (2) reliable and (3) available for as many countries as possible. GDP scores well in the categories 2&3, however has only a limited country relevance, as it only refers to a specialized non-qualitative economic measurement. The HDI is somewhat more relevant as it incorporates qualitative social measures along with the economic ones, while scoring similarly well in categories 2&3. The HPI scores very well for criteria 1, but has problems with criterias 2&3. I think the infobox should include indicators for all three realms of a country: Society, Economy & Nature. Currently, there are 4 economic indicators (GDP PPP & nominal x total and /capita), 2 social ones (Gini and HDI) but NONE Environmental. For a better balance I suggest (a) drop nominal GDP figures (this can appear in the economic section), retain PPP GDP figures only; (b) place HDI before/above GDP as it is more complex; (c) introduce an environmental indicator such as Ecological Footprint, or (or at least composite one such as the Happy Planet Index; Elekhh ( talk) 15:15, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
I would like to propose the arrow indicating changes in HDI be removed for many reasons:
I'd like to propose inclusion of Global Peace Index in Country Infobox template. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vikrant42 ( talk • contribs) 12:10, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Template:Infobox Former Country has the little flags indicating the preceding and successor countries. Perhaps there could be some sort of a provision in this current infobox for the immediate preceding countries. Not necessarily in the same style as IFC but some field catering to it perhaps so you have a full link between them all, can go back from the present article into the country/ies which made it up?- JLogan t: 11:35, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
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It seems that there is something wrong with the part of the template which defines the size of the coat of arms, flags and location maps on this infobox; on some pages, these images take up their full resolutions, making them wider than the page and making the infobox span the entire top of the page. This problem occurs on numerous country pages, including
Belarus,
United States,
United Kingdom and
Poland, but does not appear on others, i.e.
Fiji. An admin familiar with this template should investigate and make any necessary changes. Thanks,
Robert Skyhawk (
Talk)
20:59, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Please help The infobox includes a link to Flag of Palestine rather than the correct Palestinian flag; please amend the infobox or the article to fix it if you can. Thanks. — Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 00:29, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
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I'd like to propose a minor change in the formating of the name-of-country section of this infobox. Currently, it appears to be "native longform name(s) in native script", followed by "native longform name(s) romanized", followed by "English longform name". I think we should maintain this order, except move the English name to the top for ease of our readers. The current setup often places a large mass of otherwise indecipherable (to English users) text right at the top. See, for instance Switzerland, Transnistria, Russia, Burma, Ethiopia, Armenia, and so forth. This new order seems like a reasonable corollary to the way we begin articles: English name, followed by native names. The rationales of clarity and ease of use applies the same way in both cases. Erudy ( talk) 17:43, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Please remove:
-->{{#if:{{{native_name|}}}{{{conventional_long_name|}}}{{{name|}}} |<!--then: --><tr class="adr"> <th colspan="3" align="center" class="mergedtoprow fn org country-name" style="line-height:1.2em; padding:0.25em 0.33em 0.33em; font-size:1.25em;"><!-- -->{{#if:{{{native_name|}}} |<!--then:-->{{{native_name}}} }}<!-- -->{{#if:{{{conventional_long_name|}}}{{{name|}}} |<!--then:--><div style="padding-top:0.25em;"><!-- -->{{{conventional_long_name|}}}{{{name|}}}</div><!-- -->}}<!-- --></th> </tr><!-- -->}}<!--
And replace with:
-->{{#if:{{{conventional_long_name|}}}{{{native_name|}}}{{{name|}}} |<!--then: --><tr class="adr"> <th colspan="3" align="center" class="mergedtoprow fn org country-name" style="line-height:1.2em; padding:0.25em 0.33em 0.33em; font-size:1.25em;"><!-- -->{{#if:{{{conventional_long_name|}}} |<!--then:-->{{{conventional_long_name|}}} }}<!-- -->{{#if:{{{native_name|}}}{{{name|}}} |<!--then:--><div style="padding-top:0.25em;"><!-- -->{{{native_name|}}}{{{name|}}}</div><!-- -->}}<!-- --></th> </tr><!-- -->}}<!--
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Disambiguate Capital to Capital (political) by finding:
'''[[Capital]]'''
And replacing it with:
'''[[Capital (political)|Capital]]'''
And you're done! Gary King ( talk) 23:18, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
If you check the infobox in Lebanon, you'll notice that the scale used to display the capital is too large which makes it useless to locate a city. Maybe it should reduced to 1:100,000 or use city as a type for the coordinate template. In addition, Wikipedia:WikiProject Geographical coordinates says that the use of {{coor *}} is depreciated and replaced by {{ coord}}. Maybe you should consider switching. Thank you. Eklipse ( talk) 06:20, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
I was able to copy this to my wiki site ( http://wiki.mobianlegends.com/wiki/Template:Infobox_Country), and while all other infoboxes work without a single error, Infobox Country always puts out various HTML table tags, such as <tr>,<th>,and </div> all over the place. I've noticed that if i include |capital ANYWHERE, it loads up a </tr> tag with the template, but if it's commented-out or ignored, everything's fine. things are far worse for Infobox Geopolitical organization. I wish i knew why it did this... I have parserfunctions installed already as a prerequisite... RingtailedFox • Talk • Contribs 13:07, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Why are the "top level domain" and "calling code" parameters handled in fundamentally different ways? This is very confusing and not properly documented. The first one is output as is. The second one is automatically linked and given a subparameter for notes (which is not listed in the documentation). I feel strongly that the "calling code" parameter should also be output "as is" for three reasons:
If no one objects, I would like to fix this inconsistency. Obviously, this would require a bot run first to fix any articles that were actually using the secret subparameter. Kaldari ( talk) 17:35, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm working on the infobox for Abkhazia, a partially recognised country whose road to independence was and is rather complicated, and I need 11 entries for events that lead to its established, but at present 9 is the maximum number supported, so I request that this be extended to e.g. 19 by adding (part of) this code to the relevant section:
-->{{#if:{{{established_event10|}}} |<!--then: --><tr class="mergedbottomrow"> <td style="width:1em; padding:0 0 0 0.6em;"> - </td> <td style="padding-left:0em;">{{{established_event10}}}</td> <td>{{{established_date10|}}} </td> </tr><!-- -->}}<!-- -->{{#if:{{{established_event11|}}} |<!--then: --><tr class="mergedbottomrow"> <td style="width:1em; padding:0 0 0 0.6em;"> - </td> <td style="padding-left:0em;">{{{established_event11}}}</td> <td>{{{established_date11|}}} </td> </tr><!-- -->}}<!-- -->{{#if:{{{established_event12|}}} |<!--then: --><tr class="mergedbottomrow"> <td style="width:1em; padding:0 0 0 0.6em;"> - </td> <td style="padding-left:0em;">{{{established_event12}}}</td> <td>{{{established_date12|}}} </td> </tr><!-- -->}}<!-- -->{{#if:{{{established_event13|}}} |<!--then: --><tr class="mergedbottomrow"> <td style="width:1em; padding:0 0 0 0.6em;"> - </td> <td style="padding-left:0em;">{{{established_event13}}}</td> <td>{{{established_date13|}}} </td> </tr><!-- -->}}<!-- -->{{#if:{{{established_event14|}}} |<!--then: --><tr class="mergedbottomrow"> <td style="width:1em; padding:0 0 0 0.6em;"> - </td> <td style="padding-left:0em;">{{{established_event14}}}</td> <td>{{{established_date14|}}} </td> </tr><!-- -->}}<!-- -->{{#if:{{{established_event15|}}} |<!--then: --><tr class="mergedbottomrow"> <td style="width:1em; padding:0 0 0 0.6em;"> - </td> <td style="padding-left:0em;">{{{established_event15}}}</td> <td>{{{established_date15|}}} </td> </tr><!-- -->}}<!-- -->{{#if:{{{established_event16|}}} |<!--then: --><tr class="mergedbottomrow"> <td style="width:1em; padding:0 0 0 0.6em;"> - </td> <td style="padding-left:0em;">{{{established_event16}}}</td> <td>{{{established_date16|}}} </td> </tr><!-- -->}}<!-- -->{{#if:{{{established_event17|}}} |<!--then: --><tr class="mergedbottomrow"> <td style="width:1em; padding:0 0 0 0.6em;"> - </td> <td style="padding-left:0em;">{{{established_event17}}}</td> <td>{{{established_date17|}}} </td> </tr><!-- -->}}<!-- -->{{#if:{{{established_event18|}}} |<!--then: --><tr class="mergedbottomrow"> <td style="width:1em; padding:0 0 0 0.6em;"> - </td> <td style="padding-left:0em;">{{{established_event18}}}</td> <td>{{{established_date18|}}} </td> </tr><!-- -->}}<!-- -->{{#if:{{{established_event19|}}} |<!--then: --><tr class="mergedbottomrow"> <td style="width:1em; padding:0 0 0 0.6em;"> - </td> <td style="padding-left:0em;">{{{established_event19}}}</td> <td>{{{established_date19|}}} </td> </tr><!-- -->}}<!--
sephia karta 21:56, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
utc_offset
See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (mathematics). For "five minus three", one writes
not
nor
and certainly not
A minus sign is longer than a mere hyphen and one puts spaces (preferably non-breakable IMO) before and after it. In Grenada, I changed the hyphen to a minus sign. It comes out as
with no space before or after the minus sign. I don't know how to fix this. Can someone attend to that? Michael Hardy ( talk) 18:06, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Take the box in the Greece article for example. The layout leads the reader (and apparently the editor) to believe that the coordinates in the infobox are the coordinates of the capital, while in fact the coordinates are of type:country. In this particular case a second set of coordinates (this time actually the country) has been added to the article. This is unsatisfactory, as it makes data extraction unpredictable and complicated. Automatic data extraction is ultimately for the benefit of the reader. For example the labels displayed on the meta:WikiMiniAtlas are extracted from coordinate data in the articles, and correct display depends on correct naming and typing of the embedded coordinates. -- Dschwen 19:35, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
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This template currently uses " km²".
WP:MOSNUM states "Avoid the unicode characters ² and ³. [..] Instead, use superscript markup, created with <sup></sup>".
This should ideally be changed to " km<sup>2</sup>". — Sladen ( talk) 13:58, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
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MZMcBride (
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02:17, 4 December 2008 (UTC)Would be usefull. Spitfire19 ( Talk) 21:18, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
Would it be possible to create a section to display National Languages ie. Languages which are spoken widely but aren't official, for example: Shona and Ndebele in Zimbabwe are national languages but have no official capacity. Thanks Mangwanani (talk) 12:32, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
I can't seem to find this here. Both the two and three letter codes should be added. ISO 3166-1 has been around since 1974. Eg: United States: "US" and "USA", Canada "CA" and "CAD", etc. Right after the globe map would be good. Facts707 ( talk) 14:34, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
I recently answered a request at Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2009_May_29#Infobox_question. Would someone with their head in this template please update the documentation. There is at least one undocumented parameter and there needs to be an explanation of how some of the links are built. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 11:35, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
As seen from the box in the Monaco article, Largest {{{largest_settlement_type|city}}} should be replace with {{{largest_settlement_type|Largest city}}}. 01:09, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Under flag there is "Coat of arms", and under coat of arms there's nothing.
{{ Infobox Former Country}} has a parameter for "status" and "status text," which can be used to mark something as a client state ( Confederation of the Rhine, Slovak Republic (1939-1945)) or a protectorate ( Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia) or the like. Could someone add that to this template? It would be useful for such articles as Greenland (to mark as a constituent country of the Kingdom of the Netherlands). Mnmazur ( talk)
Does anyone know how can I change the size of the map while using the template? in other templates you put a bar (|) and then put the size you want (230px), I tried to do it in this one but it didn't work, can anyone fix the template so we can resize the maps or tell me how can I do it? thanks. Supaman89 ( talk) 01:18, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Can we have section on the main source(s) of income and/or main industries? I can include this section, but would like to know whether this obvious section was excluded for any specific reasons. Thanks NëŧΜǒńğer Peace Talks 05:50, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
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As per
WP:ALT and
WP:ACCESSIBILITY I just now added
alt attributes to the images in
India, but since {{
Infobox Country}} doesn't support this I couldn't do it for the images in the lead infobox. I have run into similar problems with other infoboxes (e.g., {{
Infobox Disease}} in
Autism) and made the obvious changes to these templates, which work; please see, for example,
Template talk:Infobox Disease #Alt attribute in infobox image. To do the same thing here, please install into {{
Infobox Country}}
the edit that I just now made to {{
Infobox Country/sandbox}}. I have added a test case for this by copying
India's current infobox to
Template:Infobox Country/testcases #India, and the sandbox is working for the test case, in that the sandbox images have proper alt text. Thanks.
Eubulides (
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09:25, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} Currently, it seems that the common name is used to look up for the flag and emblem links, so that "France" as a common name is going to create a "Flag of France" and "Emblem of France" links. Althought this is fine for most countries, it isn't for all them. For instance, the common name of the Republic of China is "Taiwan" but it doesn't seem accurate to link the flag to "Flag of Taiwan" (the article doesn't actually exist on Wikipedia) because there's not such thing as a flag of Taiwan and it also can be confused with the proposed flag of Taiwan. The same comment applies to the "Flag of China" which technically doesn't exist and, perhaps more importantly (at least on Wikipedia), it wouldn't be appropriate to imply that it does. Actually, the "common name" field on People's Republic of China is currently set to "the People's Republic of China" which is inaccurate and I presume it was done to go around the limitations of the template. So, if possible, I would suggest adding an optional field that would allow specifying the link to the flag on Wikipedia. If the field is not there, then it should default to the "Flag of <common_name>" as it is now. Laurent ( talk) 08:05, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
I notice the template currently has the order of preference with metric units first, whereas WP:MOSNUM would indicated that the US for example would have imperial first. This means that where both are quoted the template is at odds with this guideline. Would adding a flag to specify order of preference eliminate this ambiguity? Order preference is currently done with other templates such as the weatherbox for example. Justin talk 17:15, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} Hey folks,
Can we make infobox updates to this template like we did to other templates?-- PK2 ( talk) 19:33, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
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Two new fields: "flag_link" and "emblem_link" need to be added to allow specifying the links to the flag and emblem pages. Currently, the links are built by prepending "Flag of " and "Emblem of " to the common name, however this is not a good solution for many countries. For instance, the common name of the People's Republic of China is "China", but there is no such thing as a "Flag of China". Adding these new fields would allow going around this sort of issue by explicitely linking to "Flag of the People's Republic of China". Of course if the fields are not specified, the infobox should default to "Flag of <common_name>" and "Emblem of <common_name>" for backward compatibility. I think this change is uncontroversial because none of the existing infoboxes will be affected, however if something is unclear in my proposition please let me know. Laurent ( talk) 13:40, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
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Please sync with
the sandbox. This fixes a small error where the template would output <th colspan="2">Establishment</th><td></td>
rather than <th colspan="3">Establishment</th>
. TIA. —
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Request sync with sandbox for minor style tweaks to make width consistent with contemporary infoboxes (22em vs 46ex) and to ensure that text displays at the same size in both IE and Firefox. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 19:25, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
|area_km2 = 36,125
|area_sq_mi = 13,948
36,125 km2 (13,948 sq mi) or 13,948 sq mi (36,125 km2) There is a problem here.
See also
Talk:Guinea-Bissau#Conversions in infoboxes 36,544 km2 (14,110 sq mi), what is it???
I suspect that similar anamolies can be found in the infoboxes of other countries. The consistant use of
Template:convert is highly recommended.
Peter Horn
User talk
00:25, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
I think we need to add an ITU designation of national broadcast system(s) used entry here. -- 85.240.208.70 ( talk) 11:23, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Can we add a section that lists the countries standardized power plug? A good list has already been made in wikipedia. This information would be in line with other such facts found in the template like the side of the road driven and international calling code. -- Phoenix ( talk) 23:16, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Agree with some of the comments above: the infobox is getting a bit fat. One area it could get slimmer is the GDP section: currently it provides four different measurements of GDP - a gross and non-qualitative economic indicator. Also note that the GDP figures are followed by the HDI composite index, which itself is made up 1/3 by the GDP. Thus the infobox appears to have a bit of a GDP growth bias. And why is there a line between GDP (PPP) and GDP (nominal) - aren't these both economic indicators of similar nature? Therefore I suggest:
Anybody agree? Elekhh ( talk) 09:46, 19 October 2009 (UTC) Anybody disagree? anybody there? Elekhh ( talk) 12:19, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
Following on from the discussion above I believe that the drives_on and possibly date_format be removed from the template -- Barryob (Contribs) (Talk) 18:16, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Is there a reason for the images (flags, emblems, etc) link to the image description, and not to the article about the flag?
Especially in the infobox of former countries, the images linking to previous and next regimes are annoying when the arrow linking to the actual article is barely visible and one would think that the image is the link to the article.
Thanks, Spiff ( talk) 17:09, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
I noticed that the coordinates for capitals etc currently use type:country({{{area_km2|}}}). That seems like it should be type:city{{population}}_region — TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 12:09, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
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When one tries to nail down a capital city on a country map, sometimes using just degrees and minutes doesn't get one close enough. Would it be okay to add seconds to the Coord template's code?
—
.`^) Paine Ellsworth
diss`cuss (^`.
13:23, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
|{{{latm}}}|{{{lats}}}|{{{latNS}}}|{{{longd}}}|{{{longm}}}|{{{longs}}}|{{{longEW}}}|
{{ editprotected}} To the embedded {{ Coord}} templates, please add the "seconds" parameter to complete the "dms" formula. The "seconds" parameter (in bronze below) may be added as follows...
|<!---then4:
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capital is largest_city or largest_settlement:
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--><br/>[[Demographics of {{{common_name}}}|(and {{{largest_settlement_type|largest city}}})]]
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--><td>{{{capital}}}<!--
--------Add capital's latitude and longitude (if provided):-------
-->{{#if:{{{latd|}}}
|<!--then:--><br/><small><span style="white-space:nowrap;"><!--
-->{{coord|{{{latd}}}|{{{latm}}}|{{{lats}}}|{{{latNS}}}|{{{longd}}}<!--
-->|{{{longm}}}|{{{longs}}}|{{{longEW}}}|type:country({{{area_km2|}}})<!--
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</td><!--
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capital isn't largest_city or largest_settlement:
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--------Add capital/admin center:--------
--><td>{{{capital|}}}{{{admin_center|}}}<!--
--------Add capital/admin center's [lat/long]itude (if provided):-------
-->{{#if:{{{latd|}}}
|<!--then:--><br/><small><span style="white-space:nowrap;"><!--
-->{{coord|{{{latd}}}|{{{latm}}}|{{{lats}}}|{{{latNS}}}|{{{longd}}}<!--
-->|{{{longm}}}|{{{longs}}}|{{{longEW}}}|type:country({{{area_km2|}}})<!--
-->}}</span></small><!--
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</td><!--
Thank you very much! — .`^) Paine Ellsworth diss`cuss (^`. 16:37, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
A default value of 00 can be used if lats/longs is not specified, but the problem is that this introduces specificity where it was not there before. Some people would argue there is a difference between lat.latm vs lat.latm.00 — TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 18:33, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
It's been awhile, as I've been caught up in other projects. Since there has been no discussion for about twelve days, and since I would still like to see seconds added to this template to round out the "dms" system in use, I shall address the concerns presented so far...
{{{lats|00}}} and {{{longs|00}}}
– are added right now, then until at least the empty parameters are added, that is, until at least "lats= " and "longs= " are added to a specific article's Infobox Country code, the "00" will appear in the seconds position of the coordinates link. First of all, please note that in the
European Union infobox, in which the coordinates for the Commission seat, Brussels, have been entered, the seconds values for both latitude and longitude actually are zero, which precisely focuses on the city of Brussels. This will happen sometimes.Additional note: When the time comes, all that will be necessary is to copy and paste the code in the Infobox Country/sandbox to the "live" Infobox Country. The sandbox version is precisely the same TOP to BOTTOM as the live version, with of course the exception that the root seconds parameters have been added to the sandbox version. I've retained a copy in my own sandbox in case the template sandbox is altered.
— Paine's Climax 05:53, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
Another example has been found where this template could use the seconds parameter. In the Infobox Country of the
British Virgin Islands article, the coordinates for the capital, Road Town, have been decimalized in the minutes parameter. This is another case where I would not be able to enter the seconds coordinates prior to adding the root parameter to this infobox, because the latitude is 18° 25' 53". So if I were to enter this, and the seconds are not registered in this template, then the maplink would be significantly too far south of the Road Town position. So while I will be able to enter the seconds coordinates into some Infobox Country infoboxes, others would have to wait until this template is upgraded to dms. I would still like to receive assurances that this will happen before I embark on the long road to add the seconds coordinates to as many Infobox Country infoboxes as possible.
—
Paine's
Climax
04:33, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Noted in the Japan article is the indistinct border of Japan's flag in the infobox. Basically, what I see is a large red dot where a flag image is expected to be. Then I look closer and I can just barely make out the border of the flag.
See also: South Korea – Indonesia – Russia
I'm unable to find any parameter that would give the flag a distinct border. This could be done by including an all-covering border=1 parameter and value, or by just including the "border" parameter as an option that can be adjusted in the individual articles. This affects all flags that have a white background. Options and suggestions, please?
—
.`^) Paine Ellsworth
diss`cuss (^`.
08:09, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
It seems to me that it would be useful to add a failed_state_index_rank parameter (see Failed state#Failed States Index and List of countries by Failed States Index). Barring objections, I may add it. Comments? Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 07:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
I stumbled across an issue when trying to introduce a small amendment copied from Wales to Northern Ireland & Scotland. It occurs to me that the Info Box is where this information should be included (whether or not it is further developed in the article itself). The member states of the European Union are represented by elected members who represent regional constituencies. In the UK, Scotland, Wales & NI are each a single constituency returning 6,4 & 3 elected members respectively. England has 9 regional constituencies returning 69 members of the EU Parliament. This seems to be the sort of basic detail that should be included in the country info box and used for all of the EU countries, irrespective of out-references in the article body. Any thoughts? Leaky Caldron 12:09, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Sorry but that is such a random piece of info for the infobox. Like who cares. It isn't important. It's like putting left handed or right handed in the bio infobox. Come on this should be remove. Who's with me say I.-- Everyone Dies In the End ( talk) 03:54, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
(out). The fact that such an appropriate inclusion of travel information that is in many, many infoboxes draws such painful discussion such as the
completely inappropriate words of "Sadly I am sure my call for reason . . ." above tells me I'm correct that this info/data, whatever, should be kept.
—
Paine's
Climax
19:18, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
I believe this information should definitely be included on Wikipedia, but it has its own dedicated article and it does not need to be included in countries' infoboxes. sephia karta | di mi 11:48, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
I have stated before that I believe this to be very useful information since it is not typically included in the prose of the article so it should be kept. -- Phoenix ( talk) 05:44, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
I'm thinking type:country({{{area_km2|}}})
in the template should get simplified to type:country
. As far as I can tell, the type:country
parameter of the {{
Coord}} template was never intended to take a subparameter like type:city
does -- see
Template:Coord/doc. If there's no objection, I'd like to remove the subparameter from the template. --
Stepheng3 (
talk)
07:11, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
What's the deal here? The whole Capital (and largest city) thing makes sense when they are one and the same, but why the hell doesn't it just say "Largest city" anymore? There's no point to that, it's just awkward wording. Eightball ( talk) 03:44, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
It looks like the documentation of the area parameters is incorrect and/or outdated. I've added the area_footnote parameter to the documentation but, from a look at the template, the area parameter seems to be unsupported. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 03:15, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
Hey folks,
Can we make this infobox use a common "shell" infobox template, a la {{ WPBannerMeta}}? -- Phillip Kragulj ( talk) 09:25, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
could someone add the highest/lowest point of the country in the template ? thanks Polylepsis ( talk) 19:33, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
The terms are often misused, and there should be stricter application of the terms for Accuracy's sake.
An emblem is any image used to represent something or anything, a type of catch all term. A coat of arms is a specific type of emblem that requires an image displayed upon a shield, with other embellishments optional, that must adhere to heraldic norms. Any emblem that is heraldic in nature but not on a shield would be termed a badge. Other words that could be used in place of emblem are symbol, mark or device; insignia refers to things representing an office or power, so would not be appropriate to refer to a sovereign nation's emblem as such.
A seal is not the same as an emblem, but a device used by nations to give approval and authenticate treaties and other legally binding documents. A seal can depict the national emblem, but does not need to. For example, the seal of the U.K. usually showed the king enthroned on the front side and the king on horseback on the other side. The most recent seal of Queen Elizabeth II is the first U.K. seal to depict the coat of arms of the monarch upon it. The U.S., alternately, has always used a coat of arms upon its seal. However, when the president or Congress use the device as a backdrop, it is acting as an emblem or a coat of arms, and it is improper to refer to it as a seal in such instances.
Is there perhaps a better place to discuss this? I had found a style manual page, but not quite sure if that is where such things should be discussed. [tk] XANDERLIPTAK 04:33, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
If you head on over to Macau and check out the infobox you'll notice problems in the section on largest_settlement_type and largest_city. I've tried to figure out how to correct the problem, but was unable to. Thought it should be brought to your attention. Danshil ( talk) 17:58, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Currently, "Population" section links to Population, which is too general. In the context of the infobox, the link should be to List of countries by population. (Suggested patch: replace [[Population]] with [[List of countries by population|Population]] in the text of the template.) -- RoboTact ( talk) 18:37, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
An administrator should edit the following line: < td >{{{FR total_population_estimate}}} ([ [List of countries by population in 2005 | {{{FR total_population_estimate_rank}}}] ])< / td >
by replacing the outdated link "List of countries by population in 2005" with the up-to-date page "List of countries by population".
The same should be done with the line: < td >{{{FR metropole_population}}} ([ [List of countries by population in 2005 |{{{FR metropole_population_estimate_rank}}}] ])< / td >
Der Statistiker (
talk)
15:59, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
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I have just noticed that the template links, amongst other terms, 'Area', 'water' and '%'. These should be
delinked because they are generic terms not germane to the subject.
Ohconfucius
¡digame!
06:39, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
At least there seems to be agreement that Area, Water and % should no longer be linked. Can this be done first? Ohconfucius ¡digame! 07:14, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
Okay, can we at least agree for now to degeneralize the links by linking "Area" to
List of countries and outlying territories by total area, and "Water %" together to
List of countries by percentage of water area, so that the ibox links will specifically clarify to general readers what is meant?
— Paine (
Ellsworth's
Climax)
21:08, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
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While the original request in this discussion asked that the "Area", "Water" and "%" generic links be delinked, and while consensus on this has not yet taken place, it appears that there is consensus that the present links are too general. Since there has been no discussion for three days, I propose that these links be made more specific. The "Area" link can go to
List of countries and outlying territories by total area, and the "Water" and "%" links can be combined and go to
List of countries by percentage of water area. (The result is actually a partial "delinking", since we are opting for two links where before there were three links.) This improvement will help young readers and perhaps readers who learned English as a foreign language, who need more info about what the data in the ibox means.
I have made these changes in the
sandbox, and the results can be observed on the
testcases page. So the sandbox code can be copied to the live
Infobox country template page.
— Paine (
Ellsworth's
Climax)
23:00, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi all. There is an ongoing dispute over what languages should go in the regional_languages field. The template prompts to list those which are "officially recognized" but we don't know what makes a regional language recognized or not. I have proposed my definition, based only on common sense. Is there a legal definition? Is there a definition at the Wikipedia level? Thank you for enlightening me on this. — Xavier, 21:47, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
Infobox country/Archive 6 | |
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Official languages | French |
Regional languages |
|
{{Infobox country
|official_languages = [[French]]
|languages_type = [[Regional languages]]
|languages = {{collapsible list |title = {{nbsp}} |[[Alsatian language|Alsatian]]; [[Basque language|Basque]]; . . .}}
}}
On the Talk:France page, due to the fact that France has only one "official" language, French, it was asked if the "Official languages" could be changed to "Official language". This, of course, would not be appropriate, I would suppose, since many countries have more than one official language. So how about using the parentheses, as in:
Official language(s)
? Is this a feasible solution?
— Paine (
Ellsworth's
Climax)
10:50, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
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There have been around five days since I suggested the above with no discussion. So I altered the
Infobox country/sandbox version, and the result can be seen on the
Infobox country/testcases page. Please copy the sandbox version to the source of the active template to implement this edit. Thank you very much!
— Paine (
Ellsworth's
Climax)
16:55, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
(Just out of curiosity, I found that in the France ibox, the parameter for the official language is:
|language = French
singular "language", which makes French show as the "Official languages"; however, this parameter is in the /doc as
|official languages =
so I'm wondering if the "language =" parameter is an appropriate addition to the doc?)
— Paine (
Ellsworth's
Climax)
11:05, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
Currently the template:Infobox Geopolitical organization redirects to the template:Infobox country. I propose to redirect it instead to the template:Infobox organization as the geopolitical organization is also an organization and is more close to a general organizations than countries. Beagel ( talk) 19:16, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone object to me setting up automatic archiving for this page using MiszaBot? Unless otherwise agreed, I would set it to archive threads that have been inactive for 30 days and keep at least ten threads.-- Oneiros ( talk) 14:16, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
In examining Israel that is at WP:FAR it has come to light that the economic numbers such as GDP are automatically branded as estimates. Surely the status as estimate ought to be optional? The IMF seems to produce definite numbers for the year before at around September or so. The numbers at that time are not estimates. Then by the middle of February there are numbers available that are estimates for the preceding year. There must be several featured articles on countries and this sort of inexactitude isn't really what should be accepted in featured material.-- Peter cohen ( talk) 21:13, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
Hello. There is an ongoing discussion about what information should be in the parameter "Native name". The documentation of the infobox states that native name is the "conventional long-form in native language". I understand "native" to mean "local language", that just makes sense and is analogous to other encyclopedias (concept of "conventional local name"). So far that's what I've seen in the other country articles, so I just need confirmation.
So if a source indicates that the official name of a country is in a language (say Spanish), that should go there, right? For example (as in the CIA world fact book):
Thanks. Please comment. 201.173.187.48 ( talk) 11:28, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
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Fix needed for DST display where only the time zone is given and not the offset. Old:
-->{{#if:{{{utc_offset_DST|}}} |<!--then:
New:
-->{{#if:{{{time_zone_DST|}}}{{{utc_offset_DST|}}} |<!--then:
Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 19:35, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Please allow overriding of
|utc_offset=−5 to −10 |utc_offset_DST=−4 to −10
with
|utc_offset_min=−5 |utc_offset_max=−10 |utc_offset_DST_min=−4 |utc_offset_DST_max=−10
and then display links min and max, i.e.
UTC-5 to UTC-10 UTC-4 to UTC-10
Data taken from USA. This is needed for countries with multiple time offsets from UTC. TimeCurrency ( talk) 18:53, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
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I came here because of concern that hyphens were wrong used, instead of minus signs, in the edit summary. I have changed them in this example.
Tony
(talk)
23:44, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
I reverted the alteration of my talk contribution. If values are split, the template could easily detect wrong input, since the number of possible values can be taken from template:Timezones. This is one more reason to split. I asked at User talk:CBDunkerson#Time zone fix for help to add code to the sandbox. TimeCurrency ( talk) 12:44, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
|utc_offset=[[UTC-5|−5]] to [[UTC-10]]
The economy of each country is currently "summarised" in the infobox through four different measures of the GDP and associated rankings. This is too much data providing too little information. The GDP is simply a measure of a country's overall economic output which has many limitations and does not provide any information about any aspect of the economy other than overall size, such as importance of each economic sector, size of informal economy, wealth distribution, sustainability of growth, etc. Thus 8 (eight) numbers are provided for a single and limited purpose. I think this is not consistent with the aim of the infobox, which is to provide a "summary or overview information about the subject". The nominal GDP expressed in US dollars has little relevance for non-US readers. For the purposes of comparison of the size of national economies the GDP PPP and associated ranking are more relevant than nominal GDP. Therefore I suggest removing the nominal GDP parameters (GDP_nominal, GDP_nominal_rank, GDP_nominal_year, GDP_nominal_per_capita, GDP_nominal_per_capita_rank) from the infobox, as they do not provide much extra insight compared to GDP PPP. For the United States the two measures are identical. For all other countries GDP PPP is more relevant. Elekhh ( talk) 03:57, 11 March 2010 (UTC)