The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
this nomination's talk page,
the article's talk page or
Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Allen3talk 19:11, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
Readable prose size is 3000+ characters, which is over the 1500 required, so the article is long enough and new. The information is backed with citations to reliable sources. The information meets Wikipedia's neutrality requirements, although I did pause that this article is almost all of Wikipedia's information about
Heather Cho. Still, I think this incident deserves its own article because the event has its own life as a discussion point for considering the
Chaebul tradition, and less because of any individuality that Heather Cho expressed in the event. I spot checked 3 phrases in the article by Google searching for their matches; because I found no match, it is my opinion that this is supporting evidence that the writing here is original. The hook is long enough and interesting. Someone else may write a version which includes showing the word "Chaebul" but I think since this is a Korean term not known outside of Korea, piping the word behind its meaning is best.
Blue Rasberry (talk) 16:32, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
Can we run ALT3? Can we? Please please please please can we? (Paaging
Yoninah,
Martinevans123.)
EEng (
talk) 15:57, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
Forking nuts? Blue raspberries?? A kick in the
conkers??? A real nutty
Choo??? Whatever next. It's all very
testosterone fuelled, isn't it! Whoever this
Kim Chee woman is, she should be sacked! But I do hope so.
Martinevans123 (
talk) 16:54, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
ALT3 sounds like a good April 1 hook, but then I'd be nuts to suggest that, wouldn't I? Everything else checks out per BlueRaspberry.
Ritchie333(talk)(cont) 16:55, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
I think ALT2 is the best hook for now.
Yoninah (
talk) 17:10, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
Oh, c'mon. We don't need to wait for 4/1. Per Ritchie, let's consider:
ALT5 ... that over-reaction to a nut bag could end up costing
Korean Airlines up to 2 million US dollars? (PS: I'm going for the British English version of "nutbag" meaning insane person, such as one who edits DYK nominations regularly, for example)
Ritchie333(talk)(cont) 09:28, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
Template adjusted.
MANdARAX•XAЯAbИAM 21:52, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
Honestly I think that title's too general -- this isn't going to enter enduring human consciousness as "The Nut Rage Incident". Let me suggest something a bit more descriptive, like 2014 Korean Air Lines nut rage incident. But not a big deal. I do hope you can all get behind ALT4 -- it could be another Steakburger!!! I wonder what picture we could get to go with it? Or, adapting
Ritchie333's nut-bag idea:
I think my original hook or alt3 are the best. We are not a tabloid, and we should focus on big social issues, rather than a celebrity loosing a job. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here 14:09, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
You're confusing the strategy with the goal. If your goal is to get people to read the article, wherein they may learn something about the big social issue, the best strategy is to use a hooky hook that gets them to click. No click = no learning. No one's gonna actually learn anything about the big social issues from a hook, and that includes ALT0.
EEng (
talk) 16:36, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
One click learning?! What a brilliant
idea.
Martinevans123 (
talk) 17:56, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
I'm not sure whether the relation with the
nuts and one of the queen from
Joseon exists. (Or my English is not that fluent to understand your humour...) Anyway, I'd +1 for ALT3 too. —
Revi 16:10, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
Apologies, I'm merely suggesting Cho considers herself to be royalty. But that nut rage page is quite a bit bigger than her.
Martinevans123 (
talk) 17:52, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
Got it. I can't deny that they (probably) think themselves as a royalty... :P —
Revi 03:19, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
this nomination's talk page,
the article's talk page or
Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Allen3talk 19:11, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
Readable prose size is 3000+ characters, which is over the 1500 required, so the article is long enough and new. The information is backed with citations to reliable sources. The information meets Wikipedia's neutrality requirements, although I did pause that this article is almost all of Wikipedia's information about
Heather Cho. Still, I think this incident deserves its own article because the event has its own life as a discussion point for considering the
Chaebul tradition, and less because of any individuality that Heather Cho expressed in the event. I spot checked 3 phrases in the article by Google searching for their matches; because I found no match, it is my opinion that this is supporting evidence that the writing here is original. The hook is long enough and interesting. Someone else may write a version which includes showing the word "Chaebul" but I think since this is a Korean term not known outside of Korea, piping the word behind its meaning is best.
Blue Rasberry (talk) 16:32, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
Can we run ALT3? Can we? Please please please please can we? (Paaging
Yoninah,
Martinevans123.)
EEng (
talk) 15:57, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
Forking nuts? Blue raspberries?? A kick in the
conkers??? A real nutty
Choo??? Whatever next. It's all very
testosterone fuelled, isn't it! Whoever this
Kim Chee woman is, she should be sacked! But I do hope so.
Martinevans123 (
talk) 16:54, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
ALT3 sounds like a good April 1 hook, but then I'd be nuts to suggest that, wouldn't I? Everything else checks out per BlueRaspberry.
Ritchie333(talk)(cont) 16:55, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
I think ALT2 is the best hook for now.
Yoninah (
talk) 17:10, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
Oh, c'mon. We don't need to wait for 4/1. Per Ritchie, let's consider:
ALT5 ... that over-reaction to a nut bag could end up costing
Korean Airlines up to 2 million US dollars? (PS: I'm going for the British English version of "nutbag" meaning insane person, such as one who edits DYK nominations regularly, for example)
Ritchie333(talk)(cont) 09:28, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
Template adjusted.
MANdARAX•XAЯAbИAM 21:52, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
Honestly I think that title's too general -- this isn't going to enter enduring human consciousness as "The Nut Rage Incident". Let me suggest something a bit more descriptive, like 2014 Korean Air Lines nut rage incident. But not a big deal. I do hope you can all get behind ALT4 -- it could be another Steakburger!!! I wonder what picture we could get to go with it? Or, adapting
Ritchie333's nut-bag idea:
I think my original hook or alt3 are the best. We are not a tabloid, and we should focus on big social issues, rather than a celebrity loosing a job. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here 14:09, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
You're confusing the strategy with the goal. If your goal is to get people to read the article, wherein they may learn something about the big social issue, the best strategy is to use a hooky hook that gets them to click. No click = no learning. No one's gonna actually learn anything about the big social issues from a hook, and that includes ALT0.
EEng (
talk) 16:36, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
One click learning?! What a brilliant
idea.
Martinevans123 (
talk) 17:56, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
I'm not sure whether the relation with the
nuts and one of the queen from
Joseon exists. (Or my English is not that fluent to understand your humour...) Anyway, I'd +1 for ALT3 too. —
Revi 16:10, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
Apologies, I'm merely suggesting Cho considers herself to be royalty. But that nut rage page is quite a bit bigger than her.
Martinevans123 (
talk) 17:52, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
Got it. I can't deny that they (probably) think themselves as a royalty... :P —
Revi 03:19, 19 January 2015 (UTC)