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100,000 is highly improbable. The Polish article says 35-40,000. -- HanzoHattori 19:21, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
It's massive. And it's not even exactly an anniversary. -- Niemti ( talk) 21:53, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
Didn't it rather rather took place in the other districts later? (The Russian SS also set fire to the Curie Institute clinic in Ursynow, but I think they did just with gasoline.) -- Niemti ( talk) 17:11, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Here's about the four hospitals in Wola, it says the fire was set to two of them: the large Szpital św. Łazarza after the shooting & grenading by the Azeri soldiers of Dirlwanger (~1200 killed) and the nearby small hospital Szpital Dziecięcy Karola i Marii. But in the main hospital Szpital Wolski they were only shooting people, and later even allowed it to continue its work (thanks to a humane German doctor from the Hermann Göring Division), and at Szpital Zakaźny św. Stanisława there was no massacre at all and the Germans turned it into their own field hospital and even later into Dirlewanger's HQ after the uprising. [1] -- Niemti ( talk) 17:37, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
The mass graves are of the KIA fighters, the "references" fail verification (especially BBC onem supposedly "sourcing" the figures, but actually not at all - actually it's only a news about a museum being opened), it's awkwardly written (including claims that the instruments of the massacre were "Automatic weapons Armoured fighting vehicles Flamethrowers" - no, it was only all kinds of infantry small arms including pistols and rifles, hand grenades, and flamethrowers to set the buildings and corpses on fire), it doesn't even mention the largest massacres (like the largest one, on the railway enbankment where 7-10 thousand people were killed), and more (see for example what I wrote just above about the hospital massacres and the incorrect claims used in the articles). --~~
The purpose of massacre isn't real. Hitlers main goal was not to break fighting spirit of Polish soldiers of insurgency, but "the final solution of the Warsaw problem for the centuries". As Himmler made a statement to Hitler, "it is not the best moment for us, but this is a historic chance to annihilate Poland's capital and heart of Poland - for us, for our children and for all next generations". According to this idea, Hitler made an order "to kill everybody, no matter of age and sex", in order to destroy of Warsaw as point on the map and entire population of Warsaw. -- Matrek ( talk) 02:40, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
True that. -- Niemti ( talk) 10:12, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
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@ Dallavid, you reinstated category Azerbaijani war crimes. How come Nazi Germany's war crimes are being blamed on the Azerbaijanis based on ethnicity? That is ridiculous. The Nazi Germany bears sole responsibility for the war crimes. The fact that certain Azerbaijanis were part of the Nazi forces during the massacre does not make it an Azerbaijani war crime. Also, the fact that the article does not attribute war crime to Germans, Russians, Turkestanis, Tartars, Kirghiz, Uzbek, Tadjiks, Georgians, and others who engaged in massacres as members of Nazi Germany troops has no bearing on your judgment? What's your reasoning to keep only Azerbaijani war crimes category? A b r v a g l ( PingMe) 08:17, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
For the Germans, there is already a "Nazi war crimes" category.- What??? Germans is nationality/ethnicity, where Nazi Germany is a state, which at the time of Wola tragic events consisted from number of nationalities/ethnicities.
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User:Cyberwolf434344 the main body of the text clearly states that the massacre was carried out by the SS (Waffen SS) and not by the Wehrmacht. also the reference to Hitler's order is not in the source that is supposed to document it, it is wrong. I only corrected mistakes. MavrosPagos ( talk) 00:55, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
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100,000 is highly improbable. The Polish article says 35-40,000. -- HanzoHattori 19:21, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
It's massive. And it's not even exactly an anniversary. -- Niemti ( talk) 21:53, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
Didn't it rather rather took place in the other districts later? (The Russian SS also set fire to the Curie Institute clinic in Ursynow, but I think they did just with gasoline.) -- Niemti ( talk) 17:11, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Here's about the four hospitals in Wola, it says the fire was set to two of them: the large Szpital św. Łazarza after the shooting & grenading by the Azeri soldiers of Dirlwanger (~1200 killed) and the nearby small hospital Szpital Dziecięcy Karola i Marii. But in the main hospital Szpital Wolski they were only shooting people, and later even allowed it to continue its work (thanks to a humane German doctor from the Hermann Göring Division), and at Szpital Zakaźny św. Stanisława there was no massacre at all and the Germans turned it into their own field hospital and even later into Dirlewanger's HQ after the uprising. [1] -- Niemti ( talk) 17:37, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
The mass graves are of the KIA fighters, the "references" fail verification (especially BBC onem supposedly "sourcing" the figures, but actually not at all - actually it's only a news about a museum being opened), it's awkwardly written (including claims that the instruments of the massacre were "Automatic weapons Armoured fighting vehicles Flamethrowers" - no, it was only all kinds of infantry small arms including pistols and rifles, hand grenades, and flamethrowers to set the buildings and corpses on fire), it doesn't even mention the largest massacres (like the largest one, on the railway enbankment where 7-10 thousand people were killed), and more (see for example what I wrote just above about the hospital massacres and the incorrect claims used in the articles). --~~
The purpose of massacre isn't real. Hitlers main goal was not to break fighting spirit of Polish soldiers of insurgency, but "the final solution of the Warsaw problem for the centuries". As Himmler made a statement to Hitler, "it is not the best moment for us, but this is a historic chance to annihilate Poland's capital and heart of Poland - for us, for our children and for all next generations". According to this idea, Hitler made an order "to kill everybody, no matter of age and sex", in order to destroy of Warsaw as point on the map and entire population of Warsaw. -- Matrek ( talk) 02:40, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
True that. -- Niemti ( talk) 10:12, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
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@ Dallavid, you reinstated category Azerbaijani war crimes. How come Nazi Germany's war crimes are being blamed on the Azerbaijanis based on ethnicity? That is ridiculous. The Nazi Germany bears sole responsibility for the war crimes. The fact that certain Azerbaijanis were part of the Nazi forces during the massacre does not make it an Azerbaijani war crime. Also, the fact that the article does not attribute war crime to Germans, Russians, Turkestanis, Tartars, Kirghiz, Uzbek, Tadjiks, Georgians, and others who engaged in massacres as members of Nazi Germany troops has no bearing on your judgment? What's your reasoning to keep only Azerbaijani war crimes category? A b r v a g l ( PingMe) 08:17, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
For the Germans, there is already a "Nazi war crimes" category.- What??? Germans is nationality/ethnicity, where Nazi Germany is a state, which at the time of Wola tragic events consisted from number of nationalities/ethnicities.
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User:Cyberwolf434344 the main body of the text clearly states that the massacre was carried out by the SS (Waffen SS) and not by the Wehrmacht. also the reference to Hitler's order is not in the source that is supposed to document it, it is wrong. I only corrected mistakes. MavrosPagos ( talk) 00:55, 20 August 2023 (UTC)