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Here is an account of the battle which formed the basis of the "cavalry charge" item.
The result of the proposal was PAGE MOVED to Charge at Krojanty, per discussion below. - GTBacchus( talk) 04:46, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
I think this article should be renamed from Polish war myth to something like Polish-German battles or German war propaganda or Battle of Krojanty. -- Uncle Ed 16:47 Feb 26, 2003 (UTC)
So... do people favor Charge at Krojanty for the title of this article? If so, I'm ready to close this request. - GTBacchus( talk) 20:18, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
I find the article a bit contradictory. How can it be claimed to have resulted in a Polish victory when it is clearly stated that the Polish forces retreared after coming under artilery fire. The Polish contigent may have been able to slow down a German unit for some time but they did not stop or capture the unit, nor did they prevent it from fighting on as part of the September Campaign. Victory during a battle generally means the opposing army was captured, defeated, or at least took heavy losses or sustained major damage - none of which is confirmed by the article. -- Nikostar 01:48, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
It all depends whether we consider the German AFV fire after the Polish charge a part of the battle or not. Feel free to reword whatever you please as there indeed is something fishy here. Halibu tt 14:59, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
From a certain point of view the Poles were "victorious". The task for them was to win time, so other units could retreat before the fast advancing German forces. Actually the attack did not only slow down the Germans. They did not follow the Poles that evening. So Polish Cav. fullfilled their mission. But of course the casualties were so high that it is uncertain if the "success" justified such sacrifices. --
Memnon335bc 10:04, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
There is a serious mistake i the table. The whole German Infanterie-Regiment (mot.) 76, which was the German force involved had only one bataillon of about 800 men at Krojanty. The German casualties are actually not recorded and this is the reason, why in the German Wikipedia as well as in the Polski Wikipedia there are no German casualties to find in the table. It is unlikely that the losses were a higher number for the bataillon performed well in the following weeks of the campaign. Probably the German casualties were far lower than the Polish. Also the Polisch losses are given as between 80 and 100 soldiers in the foreign language articles, which seems quite logical as the Germans kept the battlefield after the battle, so they were able to take many prisoners including the wounded. -- Memnon335bc 10:56, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
There are several mistakes in the article. For example the Germans did not move towards Gdansk. The Poles did not receive machine gun fire after the attack, but during the attack. The German unit (by the way III. Bat. of Infantry-Rgt. 76 (mech.) was also not resting in the woods. Also there were no APC's around, because in 1939 there were only few of them and those were attached to the tank divisions (mostly 3rd Armoured Division). There were actually Armoured Reconnaissance vehicles. Gen. Guderian mentioned Polish Cavalry in his memoires, but it was the 2nd Motorizid Division to the south, which considered a tactical retreat, not the 20th motorized Div. The Polish troops did not retreat to south, but to the North-East. There has never been an Chojnice Operational Group as it is said in the article (far down).
In case someone wants to learn more about this, just let me know. -- Memnon335bc 10:04, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
-- Matthead DisOuß 04:08, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
One wonders how this edit without summary would be justified by Molobo? Was the battle not in 1939, or was {{Talk:Gdansk/Vote/Notice}} abolished? -- Matthead Discuß 00:19, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
This article should be moved to Battle of Krojanty. Loosmark ( talk) 08:50, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
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It mentions that the Polish had TKS/TK-3 tankettes, but the page for the TKS says that only one prototype for the TK-3 was ever made 192.197.54.29 ( talk) 19:50, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
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Here is an account of the battle which formed the basis of the "cavalry charge" item.
The result of the proposal was PAGE MOVED to Charge at Krojanty, per discussion below. - GTBacchus( talk) 04:46, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
I think this article should be renamed from Polish war myth to something like Polish-German battles or German war propaganda or Battle of Krojanty. -- Uncle Ed 16:47 Feb 26, 2003 (UTC)
So... do people favor Charge at Krojanty for the title of this article? If so, I'm ready to close this request. - GTBacchus( talk) 20:18, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
I find the article a bit contradictory. How can it be claimed to have resulted in a Polish victory when it is clearly stated that the Polish forces retreared after coming under artilery fire. The Polish contigent may have been able to slow down a German unit for some time but they did not stop or capture the unit, nor did they prevent it from fighting on as part of the September Campaign. Victory during a battle generally means the opposing army was captured, defeated, or at least took heavy losses or sustained major damage - none of which is confirmed by the article. -- Nikostar 01:48, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
It all depends whether we consider the German AFV fire after the Polish charge a part of the battle or not. Feel free to reword whatever you please as there indeed is something fishy here. Halibu tt 14:59, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
From a certain point of view the Poles were "victorious". The task for them was to win time, so other units could retreat before the fast advancing German forces. Actually the attack did not only slow down the Germans. They did not follow the Poles that evening. So Polish Cav. fullfilled their mission. But of course the casualties were so high that it is uncertain if the "success" justified such sacrifices. --
Memnon335bc 10:04, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
There is a serious mistake i the table. The whole German Infanterie-Regiment (mot.) 76, which was the German force involved had only one bataillon of about 800 men at Krojanty. The German casualties are actually not recorded and this is the reason, why in the German Wikipedia as well as in the Polski Wikipedia there are no German casualties to find in the table. It is unlikely that the losses were a higher number for the bataillon performed well in the following weeks of the campaign. Probably the German casualties were far lower than the Polish. Also the Polisch losses are given as between 80 and 100 soldiers in the foreign language articles, which seems quite logical as the Germans kept the battlefield after the battle, so they were able to take many prisoners including the wounded. -- Memnon335bc 10:56, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
There are several mistakes in the article. For example the Germans did not move towards Gdansk. The Poles did not receive machine gun fire after the attack, but during the attack. The German unit (by the way III. Bat. of Infantry-Rgt. 76 (mech.) was also not resting in the woods. Also there were no APC's around, because in 1939 there were only few of them and those were attached to the tank divisions (mostly 3rd Armoured Division). There were actually Armoured Reconnaissance vehicles. Gen. Guderian mentioned Polish Cavalry in his memoires, but it was the 2nd Motorizid Division to the south, which considered a tactical retreat, not the 20th motorized Div. The Polish troops did not retreat to south, but to the North-East. There has never been an Chojnice Operational Group as it is said in the article (far down).
In case someone wants to learn more about this, just let me know. -- Memnon335bc 10:04, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
-- Matthead DisOuß 04:08, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
One wonders how this edit without summary would be justified by Molobo? Was the battle not in 1939, or was {{Talk:Gdansk/Vote/Notice}} abolished? -- Matthead Discuß 00:19, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
This article should be moved to Battle of Krojanty. Loosmark ( talk) 08:50, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
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This article is currently at start/C class, but could be improved to B-class if it had more (inline) citations. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 21:04, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
It mentions that the Polish had TKS/TK-3 tankettes, but the page for the TKS says that only one prototype for the TK-3 was ever made 192.197.54.29 ( talk) 19:50, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
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