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Is their an article that just describes what is actually happening as a result of Brexit? Not all the political machinations of years of various factions and people wanting one outcome or another. Just a simple set of historical statements that shows what changed beginning/after 1 Feb 2020?
Something like:
But not all the political stories and opinions of politically incentivised people.
Cheers. N2e ( talk) 13:37, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
Hey IP's, I know you cannot edit this page directly, but I suggest you begin writing this somewhere else, with citations of course. Then we can later merge it into this article at an appropriate location. I think Impact of Brexit would be the right place to put it, that article is not semi-protected. Currently it have a lot of projected consequenses, so that also needs updating now that there is at least some certainty. Alternatively in Brexit withdrawal agreement, but I don't know how directly related to that it is. ― Hebsen ( talk) 22:40, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
Brexit is done.
Now, and since February the first,
We could do a deal with America in 48 hours. Just yesterday the Trump administration were describing us as their best ally in the world. - Nigel Farage https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-trump-post-brexit-trade-deal-48-hours-uk-us-a8253476.html
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The actual exit needs to be covered in the text. It should be the final (more likely semifinal) subsection under the "process" section. Right now the only documentation of the January exit is in the lead; it needs to be expanded on and cited in the text. I don't have time to do that right now, but will someone please create this? There is a lot to cover: the approval by the European Parliament on 29 January, the finals days in Britain, and the reaction/celebrations/protests etc. in Britain on 31 January. It's summarized in the timeline, but IMO it needs its own section in the text. -- MelanieN ( talk) 19:15, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
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Just wondering if times should be in the 24-hour format, i.e. 11 p.m would be 23:00? Wagnerp16 ( talk) 13:43, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
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sentence 1 is found in the article; without prior knowledge, it's rather ambiguous. Either using sentence 2 or sentence 3 instead would resolve the issue. Please change the article accordingly. Thank you ☺
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Hi everyone. Today I modified the incipit of this article as it felt extremely truncated. I speak English as a second language so bear with me if this phrase sounds bad only to my ears.
"Brexit (/ˈbrɛksɪt, ˈbrɛɡzɪt/;[1] a portmanteau of "British" and "exit") was the withdrawal of the United Kingdom (UK) from the European Union (EU)."
As I was expecting, Errantius ( talk · contribs) reverted my change, stating that the first statement has to be as concise as possible. However, "Brexit was the withdrawal" still doesn't sound good to me at all. Again, consider the fact that English is not my mother tongue, even if I use it everyday. Could the phrase:
"Brexit (/ˈbrɛksɪt, ˈbrɛɡzɪt/;[1] a portmanteau of "British" and "exit") was the process of withdrawal of the United Kingdom (UK) from the European Union (EU)."
be a better choice? It doesn't add a lot of characters! I Don't want to modify unnecessarily the article only to see it reverted again, let's first see if anyone has something to say :)
Thank you!
P.S. I'm Italian, and this phrase translates directly to "Brexit, un portmanteau di "British" e "exit" è stata l'uscita del Regno Unito (UK) dall'Unione Europea (UE).". Everyone in Italy might feel the same as me. Possible correction: "Brexit, un portmanteau di "British" e "exit" è stata il processo di uscita del Regno Unito (UK) dall'Unione Europea (UE).
I think for remainers and also 27 countries EU citizens British EU exit makes more sense for the international English. As well as US, Australia and Canada. Otherwise it is not very clear what UK is leaving and exiting, is this some Antlantic agreements or what?
I think Brexit is a kind of secret code word that makes unclear of what kind (where from) British are exiting. It is a kind of naration saying "We are angry and we without a question exit" (Th.May) but it is not clear where from. Since it is a EU and a 28 countries Union leave process, it becomes clear that this is a mood decision made possible after leaving a union of otherwise happy EU countries is unclear to EU and even non-EU observers. We can see how even countries like China are happy to work with EU.
So lets keep up with the correct phrase. See also EU exit term and article. -- Alexsports ( talk) 12:19, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
This have been changed back and fourth since 1 February, and we should agree on what to use. Arguments for "was" is that UK officially have left the EU, and arguments for "is" is that there is still a transition period and negotiations ongoing, and a lot of things are still unresolved. What should we use? ― Hebsen ( talk) 11:21, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
I think the issues is that we are trying to sum up the current status in the very first sentence, as the first paragraph is too long to do that, and also contains process details. I think we should change the lead so the first paragraph only focus on the current status. Here is a possible rough take on the first paragraph, without wikilinks and the like:
Brexit (<IPA + portmanteau>) is the United Kingdom's (UK) withdrawal from the European Union (EU). While the departure took place 11 p.m. GMT on 31 January 2020, the UK and the EU is currently in a transition period, scheduled to end on 31 December 2020, during which they are negotiating their future relationship. As agreed in the withdrawal agreement, the UK remains subject to EU law and remains part of the EU customs union and single market during the transition period, but is no longer part of the EU's political bodies or institutions.
It appears "is" becomes the natural word to choose when doing it this way. The process stuff in the current first paragraph should be moved to the appropriate places in the lead. ― Hebsen ( talk) 16:38, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
Brexit (/ˈbrɛksɪt, ˈbrɛɡzɪt/;[1] a portmanteau of "British" and "exit") is the withdrawal of the United Kingdom (UK) from the European Union (EU). The UK ceased to be a member of the EU on 31 January 2020, and transitional arrangements will conclude on 31 December 2020...
Errantius ( talk) 22:47, 3 June 2020 (UTC)Brexit (/ˈbrɛksɪt, ˈbrɛɡzɪt/;[1] a portmanteau of "British" and "exit") is the withdrawal of the United Kingdom (UK) from the European Union (EU). The term is used with a primarily economic focus, to refer to a process scheduled to be completed on 31 December 2020; it is also used, with a primarily political focus, to refer to the moment in that process, on 31 January 2020, when the UK ceased to be a member state of the EU, no longer participating in its governing institutions. For clarity of exposition, this article will employ the term in the latter, more inclusive meaning.
Qexigator ( talk) 09:34, 4 June 2020 (UTC)When the term is used with a primarily economic focus, it refers to a process scheduled to be completed on 31 December 2020; when used with a primarily political focus, it refers to the moment in that process, on 31 January 2020, when the UK ceased to be a member state of the EU, no longer participating in its governing institutions.
Given the above comments, the article could be improved by inserting an explanatory NPOV sentence at the top of the terminology section:
Qexigator ( talk) 09:04, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
Please discuss before changing "is" to "was".or something like that. ― Hebsen ( talk) 12:16, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
If it's good to go now, I will do Timeline section, but leave hidden text to someone who knows how, Qexigator ( talk) 13:16, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
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Where is the history section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.136.215.154 ( talk) 08:49, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
A central reason why the EU did not wish to let go of Britain was that all those euro and eurocent coins need to be melted down and re-minted, with the new coins showing a map of Europe without the United Kingdom. The cost runs into billions. Also there is a political angle, whereby the island of Ireland will have a bite missing. Could someone who is pecuniarily endowed please take a photograph of the new and old euro coins, and upload it to the Brexit article? Likewise, a photograph in Wikipedia of the 50p coin celebrating peace and goodwill to all nations would put a smile on many readers' faces. Many thanks. 213.205.197.2 ( talk) 18:10, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
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I'm a Remain supporter; I assumed this article in Wikipedia would present both sides of the argument. Instead it presents every aspect of Brexit from the Remain perspective. It reads like an argument with someone whose counterarguments have all been removed - indeed it reminds me of that photo of Stalin, Lenin and Trotsky where Trotsky has been edited out. There is no discussion of detailed sovereignty; the entrenchment of corporate interests; the prevention of radical reform; the immigration flexibility argument (this is particularly relevant now that there is an offer to Hong Kong); individual sanactions; etc etc. Despite the enormous amount of work that has gone into this article I'm afraid that a fair recommendation would be to have to taken down until something more balanced can be produced.
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It appears this talkpage is still being archived on a fairly frequent basis but there doesn't seem to be a notice indicating how long a discussion has to be dormant for this to happen. Llewee ( talk) 15:16, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
There is currently no mention or articles for the Agriculture and Fisheries Acts 2020 that have now received Royal assent and are currently on the statue book, please can we create articles and also put a mention into the main Brexit article as they both major pieces of Brexit related legislation. ( MOTORAL1987 ( talk) 10:31, 23 December 2020 (UTC))
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You’ve stated that in “general” those from the arts voted to remain in the EU. This is an assumption and not a fact. You will need to provide evidence of this otherwise the million plus more votes in the UK would suggest otherwise. Jleel ( talk) 23:23, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
The economic outlook was varied depending on which economy expert asked. Since Brexit the economic impact is impossible to measure due to Covid. You may want to update your info. Jleel ( talk) 23:19, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
The article seems to use "31 January 2020" and "31 December 2021", but these aren't quite accurate dates for the UK's exit. It's either 11pm on the respective dates in UK time, or 12am, i.e. 0:00 the following day in EU time ( Central European Time is one hour ahead of UK time).
I think it would be clearer to say the UK left the EU at the beginning of 1 February 2020 Central European Time, and the transition period ends at the beginning of 1 January 2021 Central European Time. — ajf ( talk) 13:11, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
This article is overwhelmingly anti Brexit, it shows much more arguments against Brexit than the inverse, looks like the important and popular parts showing the reasons for Brexit were deleted, and which includes: 1. The bureaucratic system currently entrenched at EU harms the liberal economic tradition that is common to every major Anglophone country (Specially USA and UK), and this system is expressed in UE and it's laws, that imposes a lot of restrictions in fishing and farming. The model is French, 'heavy', it's like Macron's paradise. 2. Of course Britain will be fully independent, and the migration to UK is forced by EU policy regarding migration, it is based on political correctness, ignores the religious, etnics and cultural conflicts that are common in countries like UK and US, countries that receives a massive number of migrants every year. And that unskilled workers will compete with the local blue collar workers in unequal term (They are more likely to accept receiving less money for the same job, with is still considerably a higher sum than the money they were used to make in their home countries). 3. The article says that the lack of a liberal voice like that of the UK in the European Union will harm the efforts from other liberal countries to modernize the UE. But, the inverse is also true, the UK will be free to turn itself a more liberal country, taking by example the United States, Singapore or Hong Kong, not France, Germany or Denmark. 4. A more independent aproach to global affairs will not harm UK's prestige, as the article says, but it will put more emphasis in the British identity and point of view, it will not be a part of the UE, but a entity that can disagree and chalenge Brussels resolutions and it's global ambitions independenly. 5. If UK move forward to a system like that of Singapore, based on economic freedom, and exporting oriented economy it can achieve a high degree of economic progress. And that can affect the economy positevely balancing the harm caused by the lack of econonomic integration with UE (It can sign bilateral trade deals all over the world and make the country more competitive, actually, Mercosur and India are important players at the global stage, but even more important is the topic of the trade deal with the United States of America).
I think a lot was ignored here, and it's not coincidental, even "Remain" voters are criticizing the article for it's one sided style. I think it's important to show contradictory opinions, and that can be found all over the internet, in pro Brexit documentaries and journals.
It hardly seems worthwhile to include (and discuss) the results of public opinion polls taken after the results of the Referendum were announced. They were not definitive at the time and are of decreasing interest and value with the passing years P R Hastings ( talk) 21:23, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
Cheers from Brazil, and i am sorry for the neglecting of the English language, possible at some extent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.182.33.246 ( talk • contribs) 03:54, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
Lay of any PA's. Slatersteven ( talk) 13:01, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
Well, first of all, i did not said Macron was president when Brexit was aproved. You misunderstood most of the text. I said it looks like Macron’s paradise (The EU and it’s system). I cited a well known politician, and said he likes the bureaucratic system that the British rejected. 2. The fact that the migrants will compete with the local blue collar workers in UK and can make the things more competitive for them is absolutely related to Brexit, it is a reason why blue collar workers voted “Leave”. It’s a reason for people to vote “Leave” and that was ignored here, that is the point. 3. You worked well in your support of the one sided style of the article, but even if it was true that there is no “plan”, the article can be provided with FACTS, about the reasons why people voted “Leave”. There is some pools that were made and that should help in sourcing this assumptions and social issues that concernes the British people and made them vote for Brexit. The article can be sourced and be unbiased, at least everyone should take that as a goal (Writing, or trying writing unbiased articles). 4. Again i didn’t said it has a FTA with USA, or the other countries that i cited, i mentioned it SHOULD have, now that Brexit is done. You said my text says “Here is bad, there is good, but vague and not specific”. But the reasons why people vote doesnt need to be specific, the text is not vague, you just wasnt able to understand it, and interpreted it in a vague way. I am not being literal everytime, you should not interpret it this way. We Brazilians have this same issuea while talking to the Portuguese, cause they are known for interpreting everything literally, the other users got what i mean, i am sure is the way you talk and interpret, it’s only a cultural incident. 5. I disagree that the FTA with UE is more important, and i only mentioned it (FTAs) as a good prospect now that the Brexit is almost complete, i did not said anything more than that. Nor that it should be in this article or that “Wikipedia has crystal ball”. You should work on that, cause you interpreted most of the text poorly, my apologies if my type of writing contributed in this sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.4.77.70 ( talk) 23:48, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Everyone here knows what Wikipedia is, an argumentative essay is exacly what the article is, and as I am in a TALK page, i don’t need to source it, until I decide to put it in the article, everyone can search for it and then add to the article, it’s about showing REASONS, and popular OPINIONS that were neglected in the article, and that is what i am exposing here. I don’t need to change the article, this is a TALK PAGE where people can discuss about mistakes in the main article. I did not asked your opinion about what should i do. Almost everyone here got what was the point. I am not concerned if you don’t want to read it. Even those who disagreed answered to the specific parts of my text that were related to the neglected informations in the article. The article itself contains similar assumptions but supporting the Remain cause. Once more i am explaining that the text is about the bias present in this article, and what should be added, with it’s respective sources. Indeed, if anyone just has to get a sourced information and add to the article unilaterally, this talk page should not exist. So there is a reasonable motive — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.202.87.236 ( talk) 13:42, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
Several years after the referendum, some public intellectuals have made public statement about changes to their positions on Brexit. Don't know whether it will come to warranting a mention in the article, but seems like might be a good idea to begin to just collect notable people changing aspects of their position on Brexit here.
Here's an interesting one I read this morning, with extensive rationale provided on which parts have changed, and why.
I no longer think Brexit is a bad idea. I’m not ready to endorse it, because I don’t feel comfortable with the nationalism and populism surrounding so much of the Leave movement, but I no longer wish the referendum had gone the other way. To be clear, I still believe the pro-Remain arguments I and many others made four years ago. Even two years ago, I would have argued that the U.K. is better off as part of the European Union, for all the well-known pro-trade, pro-migration and pro-cooperation reasons. The problem is that, especially in the last year, the EU has become a less workable political union, especially for the U.K.
It seems that we should simply be aware of sources on the historical shifts as time moves on; and we will have some corpus that might improve the article over time. Cheers. N2e ( talk) 13:03, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
Another example: James Whale, controversial radio DJ, was strongly pro-remain until 2018, and changed position to be in favour of Brexit from at latest 2020 onward (maybe earlier, don't know when position changed between 2018 and 2020). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C6:9D01:C800:4C1F:7950:AFE6:CFD8 ( talk) 13:53, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
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The article lede as it stands is both incomplete and incorrect in regards to Northern Ireland. I therefore propose the following amendments to the lede. Please make sure any relevant parts finds themselves into the body of the article as well:
It continued to participate in the European Union Customs Union and European Single Market during a transition period that ended on 31 December 2020 at 23:00 GMT (00:00 CET). Under the terms of the Brexit Withdrawal Agreement, Northern Ireland continues to participate in the European Single Market in relation to goods, and to be a de facto member of the EU's Customs Union. [1] [2]
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Following Brexit, EU law and the Court of Justice of the European Union no longer have supremacy over British laws or its Supreme Court, except in relation to Northern Ireland. [3]
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The provisions of Article 5 ensure that Northern Ireland will continue to be able to participate in the EU Single Market for goods, thereby maintaining supply chains on the island of Ireland.
Notwithstanding the statement in Article 4 of the Protocol that Northern Ireland is part of the customs territory of the UK, the practical implication of Article 5(3) is that, with limited exceptions, the entirety of the EU's customs legislation, including the Union Customs Code, will apply in Northern Ireland.
The Protocol will also confer full jurisdiction on the CJEU to oversee the operation of EU law applying to Northern Ireland in relation to customs and the movement of goods, technical regulations, VAT and excise, the Single Electricity Market and State aid; including the jurisdiction to hear applications for preliminary rulings submitted by the courts of Northern Ireland. The UK will have the right to participate in these proceedings as if it were a Member State.
Under "Ratification and Departure" we have this text: On 31 January 2020 at 11 p.m. GMT, the United Kingdom's membership of the European Union ended 47 years after it joined.
Shouldn't it be made clear that the 47 years quoted includes membership of the EU's predecessors too, rather than just the EU. Especially considering that we didn't join in the exact sense of the word anyway. 2600:6C5A:657F:F417:5433:B1F4:B8FA:32B7 ( talk) 08:44, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
This edit warring of "was" vs. "refers to" was getting out of hand, so I have fully protected the article for now (which is not an endorsement of the current version). Please sort this out on this talk page before making any such changes again. Remember that edit-warring can be sanctioned even if WP:3RR is not broken. Pinging all involved parties: @ Caius G., Currywuss, Vmjmurphy, PaleCloudedWhite, Dave1966uk, DeFacto, and Beavotron. Regards So Why 21:08, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
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I believe it is essential that 'Brexit was..' is changed back to 'Brexit refers to...', as soon as possible. Wikipedia should be politically neutral. ‘Brexit was... ‘, an attempt to relegate the ongoing disruption of an entire continent to a single political event in the past, is a clear sop to one side of the debate. On the other hand, ‘Brexit refers to...’ is politically neutral and favors neither side. Beavotron ( talk) 21:39, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
On the question of "was" versus "refers to", not only is there WP:REFERS, which recommends avoiding "refers to", but also it isn't actually clear to me why "was" is considered by some to be 'not neutral' - I mean, which side is it supposed to be favouring? Also, with regards to the comment that using "was" is "condamning [sic] to the past tense the ongoing process of disruption of an entire continent" (made in this edit summary), there are many historical events, going back to the English reformation and probably before, that still have repercussions within Europe today, yet nobody regards that as a reason to refer to them in anything other than the past tense. On the question of socking, I note that though Beavotron and Currywuss have not been fingered at the SPI (Currywuss appears not to have been included for investigation for some reason), both those accounts use American English. PaleCloudedWhite ( talk) 23:47, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
If we can't use "refers to", then let's just use "is". Brexit is currently making headlines in the UK, it is an ongoing situation and referring to it in the past tense does not match up with reality. Currywuss ( talk) 07:22, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
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If Currywuss wishes to understand "why someone is suggesting she writes in American English", see this edit summary. PaleCloudedWhite ( talk) 08:12, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
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change "provisionsly" to "provisionally" in para 3 Sendhilkumara ( talk) 10:21, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
This whole section is tendentious POV, and the most dreadful waffle besides. It should be axed, and replaced with a selection of different examples of artistic explorations of brexit. A piece of pro-Brexit art would be the Spectator’s 01FEB2020 “Done” cover. However, most creative types were against Brexit, so the selection would likely lean to the anti side.q 2A00:23C7:E284:CF00:F9D8:8A26:E223:4522 ( talk) 09:19, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
dreadful waffle. It serves as a rough overview of the topic given that it has a main article dealing with culture and brexit linked in it. 15 ( talk) 10:09, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
Hard to understand, disorganized thoughts about Brexit. WP:NOTFORUM. Please focus talk page discussions on improving the Brexit Wikipedia article. Thank you. – Novem Linguae ( talk) 12:15, 4 July 2021 (UTC) |
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In 2016, or rather in January / February 2016, I was on the page of The Spectator magazine several times. This was a page from The Spectator, where you could write the online conversations yourself (without paying) about a vote on whether Great Britain would like to stay in the EU or maybe leave. Then I wrote to The Spectator online that Zurich is probably what Prime Minister David Cameron should clarify. As far as I know, The Spectator then informed Prime Minister David Cameron to consider perhaps Zurich. According to the information, Prime Minister David Cameron has sent people to Zurich to check this. Then the people came back to London and informed Prime Minister David Cameron that it was really Zurich. This was led by the staff of Prime Minister David Cameron and then Prime Minister David Cameron decided to hold an election on 06/23/2016. citation needed This information that it is Zurich came from the Landsmannschaft Zaringia Heidelberg (Studentenverbindung) in Heidelberg. And also my dear Landsmannschaft Zaringia Heidelberg has one person who looks a little (40%) bit like Nigel Farage, but 19 years younger than Farage. You can see him on the website www.xing.com with the name Simon Jaenicke. I just think it's right. Because at least three Hamburg Airbus people (one from Schleswig-Holstein (Kiel, Friedrich Kerchnawe) (Christian Democratic Union of Germany), Artur-Norbert Koepp from the north-east of Poland (Christian Democratic Union of Germany) and one man from Colombia (Social Party of National Unity or more left) and his wife from Russia (also an Airbus employee) was also were uncomfortable for me. Airbus employees were unbelievably bad at me, even though I was a very good employee and was at this time a member of the Christian Democratic Union of Germany. Meanwhile, Emirates canceled the A350XWB, because I probably did a good job for the A380. I wanted that Airbus to have problems with the wings that are made in the UK. Where exactly do I have to write this on the Wikipedia Brexit page, when if you accept that? Wname1 ( talk) 15:01, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
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In spite of multiple complaints over the years, this article still conveys an overwhelming impression of "anti-brexit bias". Far too much space is still given to what is essentially "pro-Remain" propaganda, yet almost no space is given to the propaganda of the other side. In terms of "external interference" for example: we should be clear that there is, as yet, NO convincing evidence of significant Russian interference on behalf of the Leave campaign, whereas it is clear beyond doubt that (for example) the EU and the US President (Barack Obama) both interfered, quite blatantly, on behalf of the Remain campaign. Furthermore, several UK government departments, including the Treasury, released economic predictions during the "purdah period" which purported to be impartial, but which events have now shown to be wildly exaggerated and biased towards the Remain side. Given that Brexit took place almost two years ago, and that (at the current time) it does not seem to have had any discernible macro-economic impact, I suggest that the apocalyptic predictions of pro-Remain economists are now redundant and should be deleted from this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.108.92.22 ( talk) 00:47, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
-- 148.64.9.58 ( talk) 11:54, 1 November 2021 (UTC)This complaint hasn't aged well as it seems to rely on Brexit having had little effect on the UK, this has been proven to be false.
Genuine, good-faith question: is the Impact section really about the predicted impact during the political campaign? And not the perceived impact after the withdrawal?
I just ask because there are various events going on that have (rightly or wrongly) been widely attributed to the impact of Brexit, but they don't seem to be covered here. Most currently, the 2021 United Kingdom fuel panic buying is an issue hotly debated. Is there a space for these to be mentioned, in the most diligently WP:NPOV manner imaginable? Cnbrb ( talk) 12:52, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
This article says the referendum was 'not legally binding', this is a lie! The British Government repeatedly said the result of the referendum would be carried out (including to every household in writing!), including at the dispatch box which counts as the law. Stop being so biased.
There is no mention of any kind at the top of the article regarding the withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Atomic Energy Community (EAEC or Euratom) or anything to say that as a result of the trading and cooperation agreement between the EU and that the UK is now a associated state to the organisation. ( MOTORAL1987 ( talk) 08:07, 11 December 2021 (UTC))
I've removed the following two maps as I'm not sure they're correct/helpfully informative – shouldn't NI be represented as aligned to the single market on the map (perhaps light blue, like Sweden, Switzerland etc.?), and possibly also on the customs union map (maybe in a similar manner to Turkey)? Any input would be appreciated. As it stands, these appear to contradict the article content. I recognise it's a technically complex issue and the UK as a whole has officially left the single market. However, I'm not sure how NI exemptions to single market access compare to Switzerland's exceptions, for example (are they not comparable?), and I'd presume it's far more closely aligned with the customs union than Turkey, which is shown on that respective map. Pinging map creator Rob984. Jr8825 • Talk 16:25, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
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What is the unacceptable difference between these versions? Thanks. Martinevans123 ( talk) 19:37, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
The too often false and too often one-sided predictions about Brexit evident so many places and reported here at Wikipedia without sufficient balance is now becoming evident. How do we fix the articles about Brexit on Wikipedia. The collapse in sterling, house prices, GDP, employment etc etc forecast by the World Bank, the Bank of England, so many should now be reflected as being wrong! 1GBP = 1.21EUR is the best since well before even the referendum, and above average since 2009. One example. At some point the "everything bad is because of Brexit, everything good despite it" narrative must be changed to be more objective. Until then it's an embarrassment here. Paul Beardsell ( talk) 12:46, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
True, but much of the section "impacts" seems to be just that, expectations or potentialities, so it either needs rewording or renaming. So unless it is post-Brexit analysis of actual trends it should be removed. Slatersteven ( talk) 14:14, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
The lead is in clear POV-pushing state. The motivation given in the lead for Brexit is nothing more than "scepticism". I understand that it is embarassing for many to say that in the 21st century UK proved strongly in favour to curb immigration and the same people will strongly object to how I just phrased things but saying nothing about it is blatant POV-pushing. If anyone wishes to help in mentioning the actual motives and arguments of the Brexit supporters, including the belief that the economy will actually greatly improve because of it, you can help here. Nxavar ( talk) 07:49, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
The article currently states that Brexit took place "... at 23:00 GMT on 31 January 2020 (00:00 CET)." - My understanding is that 00:00 CET on 31 January 2020 is 24 hours before 23:00 GMT on 31 January 2020. In other words 23:00 GMT on 31 January 2020 is the same as 00:00 CET on 1 February 2020. 212.64.228.100 ( talk) 06:43, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
Hello, I just completed a quite extensive edit on the lead. Among others, it adds the following info:
Comments are welcome. Nxavar ( talk) 12:16, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
Brexit 2.0 is not addressed. It deals with United-Kingdom and/or Great-Britain leaving the ECHR.
https www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/farage-calls-for-brexit-2-0-to-solve-migrant-crisis-332510/ 2A02:8425:642:D701:BF55:9F65:2A1C:85EB ( talk) 19:38, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
I miss a separate section on the promises made to win voters over to Brexit. A list of Bullet points may do. e.g. 350 Mill Pounds per week for NHS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:16B8:AA7:C600:C56A:305D:32D4:A350 ( talk) 10:24, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Hi, I tagged Brexit#Impact with an additional cleanup for WP:CRYSTAL tag. The section now has multiple problems and needs urgent attention. It seems that old info (prior to Brexit) was left in that is both outdated and also were speculations of what might be the impact. We are a wikipedia and cover what has happened in the past. There should be plenty of sources on what has been the impact (not an expert myself) but I am sure there is something. Maybe the section needs to get chopped in half or more if there are not WP:RS of what has actually already impacted, not speculation by thinktanks on what might happen sometime if ever. Jtbobwaysf ( talk) 06:01, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
Hi, has this WP:CRYSTAL been discussed or gone through RFC before? If not, I think I will remove it. Thanks Jtbobwaysf ( talk) 06:54, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
I recently added information regarding polling in the Section "Public opinion since the Brexit referendum", ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Brexit&oldid=1166454093) which was removed. I believe up to date polling numbers are an important addition to this article, especially considering that the poll in question had a differently worded question than the older poll.
I would be happy for some feedback so I can come up with a revised edit.
Thanks in advance ~~~ WinkingWikiWiking ( talk) 19:38, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
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Is their an article that just describes what is actually happening as a result of Brexit? Not all the political machinations of years of various factions and people wanting one outcome or another. Just a simple set of historical statements that shows what changed beginning/after 1 Feb 2020?
Something like:
But not all the political stories and opinions of politically incentivised people.
Cheers. N2e ( talk) 13:37, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
Hey IP's, I know you cannot edit this page directly, but I suggest you begin writing this somewhere else, with citations of course. Then we can later merge it into this article at an appropriate location. I think Impact of Brexit would be the right place to put it, that article is not semi-protected. Currently it have a lot of projected consequenses, so that also needs updating now that there is at least some certainty. Alternatively in Brexit withdrawal agreement, but I don't know how directly related to that it is. ― Hebsen ( talk) 22:40, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
Brexit is done.
Now, and since February the first,
We could do a deal with America in 48 hours. Just yesterday the Trump administration were describing us as their best ally in the world. - Nigel Farage https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-trump-post-brexit-trade-deal-48-hours-uk-us-a8253476.html
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The actual exit needs to be covered in the text. It should be the final (more likely semifinal) subsection under the "process" section. Right now the only documentation of the January exit is in the lead; it needs to be expanded on and cited in the text. I don't have time to do that right now, but will someone please create this? There is a lot to cover: the approval by the European Parliament on 29 January, the finals days in Britain, and the reaction/celebrations/protests etc. in Britain on 31 January. It's summarized in the timeline, but IMO it needs its own section in the text. -- MelanieN ( talk) 19:15, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
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Just wondering if times should be in the 24-hour format, i.e. 11 p.m would be 23:00? Wagnerp16 ( talk) 13:43, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
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Hi everyone. Today I modified the incipit of this article as it felt extremely truncated. I speak English as a second language so bear with me if this phrase sounds bad only to my ears.
"Brexit (/ˈbrɛksɪt, ˈbrɛɡzɪt/;[1] a portmanteau of "British" and "exit") was the withdrawal of the United Kingdom (UK) from the European Union (EU)."
As I was expecting, Errantius ( talk · contribs) reverted my change, stating that the first statement has to be as concise as possible. However, "Brexit was the withdrawal" still doesn't sound good to me at all. Again, consider the fact that English is not my mother tongue, even if I use it everyday. Could the phrase:
"Brexit (/ˈbrɛksɪt, ˈbrɛɡzɪt/;[1] a portmanteau of "British" and "exit") was the process of withdrawal of the United Kingdom (UK) from the European Union (EU)."
be a better choice? It doesn't add a lot of characters! I Don't want to modify unnecessarily the article only to see it reverted again, let's first see if anyone has something to say :)
Thank you!
P.S. I'm Italian, and this phrase translates directly to "Brexit, un portmanteau di "British" e "exit" è stata l'uscita del Regno Unito (UK) dall'Unione Europea (UE).". Everyone in Italy might feel the same as me. Possible correction: "Brexit, un portmanteau di "British" e "exit" è stata il processo di uscita del Regno Unito (UK) dall'Unione Europea (UE).
I think for remainers and also 27 countries EU citizens British EU exit makes more sense for the international English. As well as US, Australia and Canada. Otherwise it is not very clear what UK is leaving and exiting, is this some Antlantic agreements or what?
I think Brexit is a kind of secret code word that makes unclear of what kind (where from) British are exiting. It is a kind of naration saying "We are angry and we without a question exit" (Th.May) but it is not clear where from. Since it is a EU and a 28 countries Union leave process, it becomes clear that this is a mood decision made possible after leaving a union of otherwise happy EU countries is unclear to EU and even non-EU observers. We can see how even countries like China are happy to work with EU.
So lets keep up with the correct phrase. See also EU exit term and article. -- Alexsports ( talk) 12:19, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
This have been changed back and fourth since 1 February, and we should agree on what to use. Arguments for "was" is that UK officially have left the EU, and arguments for "is" is that there is still a transition period and negotiations ongoing, and a lot of things are still unresolved. What should we use? ― Hebsen ( talk) 11:21, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
I think the issues is that we are trying to sum up the current status in the very first sentence, as the first paragraph is too long to do that, and also contains process details. I think we should change the lead so the first paragraph only focus on the current status. Here is a possible rough take on the first paragraph, without wikilinks and the like:
Brexit (<IPA + portmanteau>) is the United Kingdom's (UK) withdrawal from the European Union (EU). While the departure took place 11 p.m. GMT on 31 January 2020, the UK and the EU is currently in a transition period, scheduled to end on 31 December 2020, during which they are negotiating their future relationship. As agreed in the withdrawal agreement, the UK remains subject to EU law and remains part of the EU customs union and single market during the transition period, but is no longer part of the EU's political bodies or institutions.
It appears "is" becomes the natural word to choose when doing it this way. The process stuff in the current first paragraph should be moved to the appropriate places in the lead. ― Hebsen ( talk) 16:38, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
Brexit (/ˈbrɛksɪt, ˈbrɛɡzɪt/;[1] a portmanteau of "British" and "exit") is the withdrawal of the United Kingdom (UK) from the European Union (EU). The UK ceased to be a member of the EU on 31 January 2020, and transitional arrangements will conclude on 31 December 2020...
Errantius ( talk) 22:47, 3 June 2020 (UTC)Brexit (/ˈbrɛksɪt, ˈbrɛɡzɪt/;[1] a portmanteau of "British" and "exit") is the withdrawal of the United Kingdom (UK) from the European Union (EU). The term is used with a primarily economic focus, to refer to a process scheduled to be completed on 31 December 2020; it is also used, with a primarily political focus, to refer to the moment in that process, on 31 January 2020, when the UK ceased to be a member state of the EU, no longer participating in its governing institutions. For clarity of exposition, this article will employ the term in the latter, more inclusive meaning.
Qexigator ( talk) 09:34, 4 June 2020 (UTC)When the term is used with a primarily economic focus, it refers to a process scheduled to be completed on 31 December 2020; when used with a primarily political focus, it refers to the moment in that process, on 31 January 2020, when the UK ceased to be a member state of the EU, no longer participating in its governing institutions.
Given the above comments, the article could be improved by inserting an explanatory NPOV sentence at the top of the terminology section:
Qexigator ( talk) 09:04, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
Please discuss before changing "is" to "was".or something like that. ― Hebsen ( talk) 12:16, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
If it's good to go now, I will do Timeline section, but leave hidden text to someone who knows how, Qexigator ( talk) 13:16, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
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Where is the history section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.136.215.154 ( talk) 08:49, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
A central reason why the EU did not wish to let go of Britain was that all those euro and eurocent coins need to be melted down and re-minted, with the new coins showing a map of Europe without the United Kingdom. The cost runs into billions. Also there is a political angle, whereby the island of Ireland will have a bite missing. Could someone who is pecuniarily endowed please take a photograph of the new and old euro coins, and upload it to the Brexit article? Likewise, a photograph in Wikipedia of the 50p coin celebrating peace and goodwill to all nations would put a smile on many readers' faces. Many thanks. 213.205.197.2 ( talk) 18:10, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
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I'm a Remain supporter; I assumed this article in Wikipedia would present both sides of the argument. Instead it presents every aspect of Brexit from the Remain perspective. It reads like an argument with someone whose counterarguments have all been removed - indeed it reminds me of that photo of Stalin, Lenin and Trotsky where Trotsky has been edited out. There is no discussion of detailed sovereignty; the entrenchment of corporate interests; the prevention of radical reform; the immigration flexibility argument (this is particularly relevant now that there is an offer to Hong Kong); individual sanactions; etc etc. Despite the enormous amount of work that has gone into this article I'm afraid that a fair recommendation would be to have to taken down until something more balanced can be produced.
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It appears this talkpage is still being archived on a fairly frequent basis but there doesn't seem to be a notice indicating how long a discussion has to be dormant for this to happen. Llewee ( talk) 15:16, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
There is currently no mention or articles for the Agriculture and Fisheries Acts 2020 that have now received Royal assent and are currently on the statue book, please can we create articles and also put a mention into the main Brexit article as they both major pieces of Brexit related legislation. ( MOTORAL1987 ( talk) 10:31, 23 December 2020 (UTC))
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You’ve stated that in “general” those from the arts voted to remain in the EU. This is an assumption and not a fact. You will need to provide evidence of this otherwise the million plus more votes in the UK would suggest otherwise. Jleel ( talk) 23:23, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
The economic outlook was varied depending on which economy expert asked. Since Brexit the economic impact is impossible to measure due to Covid. You may want to update your info. Jleel ( talk) 23:19, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
The article seems to use "31 January 2020" and "31 December 2021", but these aren't quite accurate dates for the UK's exit. It's either 11pm on the respective dates in UK time, or 12am, i.e. 0:00 the following day in EU time ( Central European Time is one hour ahead of UK time).
I think it would be clearer to say the UK left the EU at the beginning of 1 February 2020 Central European Time, and the transition period ends at the beginning of 1 January 2021 Central European Time. — ajf ( talk) 13:11, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
This article is overwhelmingly anti Brexit, it shows much more arguments against Brexit than the inverse, looks like the important and popular parts showing the reasons for Brexit were deleted, and which includes: 1. The bureaucratic system currently entrenched at EU harms the liberal economic tradition that is common to every major Anglophone country (Specially USA and UK), and this system is expressed in UE and it's laws, that imposes a lot of restrictions in fishing and farming. The model is French, 'heavy', it's like Macron's paradise. 2. Of course Britain will be fully independent, and the migration to UK is forced by EU policy regarding migration, it is based on political correctness, ignores the religious, etnics and cultural conflicts that are common in countries like UK and US, countries that receives a massive number of migrants every year. And that unskilled workers will compete with the local blue collar workers in unequal term (They are more likely to accept receiving less money for the same job, with is still considerably a higher sum than the money they were used to make in their home countries). 3. The article says that the lack of a liberal voice like that of the UK in the European Union will harm the efforts from other liberal countries to modernize the UE. But, the inverse is also true, the UK will be free to turn itself a more liberal country, taking by example the United States, Singapore or Hong Kong, not France, Germany or Denmark. 4. A more independent aproach to global affairs will not harm UK's prestige, as the article says, but it will put more emphasis in the British identity and point of view, it will not be a part of the UE, but a entity that can disagree and chalenge Brussels resolutions and it's global ambitions independenly. 5. If UK move forward to a system like that of Singapore, based on economic freedom, and exporting oriented economy it can achieve a high degree of economic progress. And that can affect the economy positevely balancing the harm caused by the lack of econonomic integration with UE (It can sign bilateral trade deals all over the world and make the country more competitive, actually, Mercosur and India are important players at the global stage, but even more important is the topic of the trade deal with the United States of America).
I think a lot was ignored here, and it's not coincidental, even "Remain" voters are criticizing the article for it's one sided style. I think it's important to show contradictory opinions, and that can be found all over the internet, in pro Brexit documentaries and journals.
It hardly seems worthwhile to include (and discuss) the results of public opinion polls taken after the results of the Referendum were announced. They were not definitive at the time and are of decreasing interest and value with the passing years P R Hastings ( talk) 21:23, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
Cheers from Brazil, and i am sorry for the neglecting of the English language, possible at some extent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.182.33.246 ( talk • contribs) 03:54, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
Lay of any PA's. Slatersteven ( talk) 13:01, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
Well, first of all, i did not said Macron was president when Brexit was aproved. You misunderstood most of the text. I said it looks like Macron’s paradise (The EU and it’s system). I cited a well known politician, and said he likes the bureaucratic system that the British rejected. 2. The fact that the migrants will compete with the local blue collar workers in UK and can make the things more competitive for them is absolutely related to Brexit, it is a reason why blue collar workers voted “Leave”. It’s a reason for people to vote “Leave” and that was ignored here, that is the point. 3. You worked well in your support of the one sided style of the article, but even if it was true that there is no “plan”, the article can be provided with FACTS, about the reasons why people voted “Leave”. There is some pools that were made and that should help in sourcing this assumptions and social issues that concernes the British people and made them vote for Brexit. The article can be sourced and be unbiased, at least everyone should take that as a goal (Writing, or trying writing unbiased articles). 4. Again i didn’t said it has a FTA with USA, or the other countries that i cited, i mentioned it SHOULD have, now that Brexit is done. You said my text says “Here is bad, there is good, but vague and not specific”. But the reasons why people vote doesnt need to be specific, the text is not vague, you just wasnt able to understand it, and interpreted it in a vague way. I am not being literal everytime, you should not interpret it this way. We Brazilians have this same issuea while talking to the Portuguese, cause they are known for interpreting everything literally, the other users got what i mean, i am sure is the way you talk and interpret, it’s only a cultural incident. 5. I disagree that the FTA with UE is more important, and i only mentioned it (FTAs) as a good prospect now that the Brexit is almost complete, i did not said anything more than that. Nor that it should be in this article or that “Wikipedia has crystal ball”. You should work on that, cause you interpreted most of the text poorly, my apologies if my type of writing contributed in this sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.4.77.70 ( talk) 23:48, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Everyone here knows what Wikipedia is, an argumentative essay is exacly what the article is, and as I am in a TALK page, i don’t need to source it, until I decide to put it in the article, everyone can search for it and then add to the article, it’s about showing REASONS, and popular OPINIONS that were neglected in the article, and that is what i am exposing here. I don’t need to change the article, this is a TALK PAGE where people can discuss about mistakes in the main article. I did not asked your opinion about what should i do. Almost everyone here got what was the point. I am not concerned if you don’t want to read it. Even those who disagreed answered to the specific parts of my text that were related to the neglected informations in the article. The article itself contains similar assumptions but supporting the Remain cause. Once more i am explaining that the text is about the bias present in this article, and what should be added, with it’s respective sources. Indeed, if anyone just has to get a sourced information and add to the article unilaterally, this talk page should not exist. So there is a reasonable motive — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.202.87.236 ( talk) 13:42, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
Several years after the referendum, some public intellectuals have made public statement about changes to their positions on Brexit. Don't know whether it will come to warranting a mention in the article, but seems like might be a good idea to begin to just collect notable people changing aspects of their position on Brexit here.
Here's an interesting one I read this morning, with extensive rationale provided on which parts have changed, and why.
I no longer think Brexit is a bad idea. I’m not ready to endorse it, because I don’t feel comfortable with the nationalism and populism surrounding so much of the Leave movement, but I no longer wish the referendum had gone the other way. To be clear, I still believe the pro-Remain arguments I and many others made four years ago. Even two years ago, I would have argued that the U.K. is better off as part of the European Union, for all the well-known pro-trade, pro-migration and pro-cooperation reasons. The problem is that, especially in the last year, the EU has become a less workable political union, especially for the U.K.
It seems that we should simply be aware of sources on the historical shifts as time moves on; and we will have some corpus that might improve the article over time. Cheers. N2e ( talk) 13:03, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
Another example: James Whale, controversial radio DJ, was strongly pro-remain until 2018, and changed position to be in favour of Brexit from at latest 2020 onward (maybe earlier, don't know when position changed between 2018 and 2020). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C6:9D01:C800:4C1F:7950:AFE6:CFD8 ( talk) 13:53, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
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The article lede as it stands is both incomplete and incorrect in regards to Northern Ireland. I therefore propose the following amendments to the lede. Please make sure any relevant parts finds themselves into the body of the article as well:
It continued to participate in the European Union Customs Union and European Single Market during a transition period that ended on 31 December 2020 at 23:00 GMT (00:00 CET). Under the terms of the Brexit Withdrawal Agreement, Northern Ireland continues to participate in the European Single Market in relation to goods, and to be a de facto member of the EU's Customs Union. [1] [2]
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Following Brexit, EU law and the Court of Justice of the European Union no longer have supremacy over British laws or its Supreme Court, except in relation to Northern Ireland. [3]
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The provisions of Article 5 ensure that Northern Ireland will continue to be able to participate in the EU Single Market for goods, thereby maintaining supply chains on the island of Ireland.
Notwithstanding the statement in Article 4 of the Protocol that Northern Ireland is part of the customs territory of the UK, the practical implication of Article 5(3) is that, with limited exceptions, the entirety of the EU's customs legislation, including the Union Customs Code, will apply in Northern Ireland.
The Protocol will also confer full jurisdiction on the CJEU to oversee the operation of EU law applying to Northern Ireland in relation to customs and the movement of goods, technical regulations, VAT and excise, the Single Electricity Market and State aid; including the jurisdiction to hear applications for preliminary rulings submitted by the courts of Northern Ireland. The UK will have the right to participate in these proceedings as if it were a Member State.
Under "Ratification and Departure" we have this text: On 31 January 2020 at 11 p.m. GMT, the United Kingdom's membership of the European Union ended 47 years after it joined.
Shouldn't it be made clear that the 47 years quoted includes membership of the EU's predecessors too, rather than just the EU. Especially considering that we didn't join in the exact sense of the word anyway. 2600:6C5A:657F:F417:5433:B1F4:B8FA:32B7 ( talk) 08:44, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
This edit warring of "was" vs. "refers to" was getting out of hand, so I have fully protected the article for now (which is not an endorsement of the current version). Please sort this out on this talk page before making any such changes again. Remember that edit-warring can be sanctioned even if WP:3RR is not broken. Pinging all involved parties: @ Caius G., Currywuss, Vmjmurphy, PaleCloudedWhite, Dave1966uk, DeFacto, and Beavotron. Regards So Why 21:08, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
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I believe it is essential that 'Brexit was..' is changed back to 'Brexit refers to...', as soon as possible. Wikipedia should be politically neutral. ‘Brexit was... ‘, an attempt to relegate the ongoing disruption of an entire continent to a single political event in the past, is a clear sop to one side of the debate. On the other hand, ‘Brexit refers to...’ is politically neutral and favors neither side. Beavotron ( talk) 21:39, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
On the question of "was" versus "refers to", not only is there WP:REFERS, which recommends avoiding "refers to", but also it isn't actually clear to me why "was" is considered by some to be 'not neutral' - I mean, which side is it supposed to be favouring? Also, with regards to the comment that using "was" is "condamning [sic] to the past tense the ongoing process of disruption of an entire continent" (made in this edit summary), there are many historical events, going back to the English reformation and probably before, that still have repercussions within Europe today, yet nobody regards that as a reason to refer to them in anything other than the past tense. On the question of socking, I note that though Beavotron and Currywuss have not been fingered at the SPI (Currywuss appears not to have been included for investigation for some reason), both those accounts use American English. PaleCloudedWhite ( talk) 23:47, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
If we can't use "refers to", then let's just use "is". Brexit is currently making headlines in the UK, it is an ongoing situation and referring to it in the past tense does not match up with reality. Currywuss ( talk) 07:22, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
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If Currywuss wishes to understand "why someone is suggesting she writes in American English", see this edit summary. PaleCloudedWhite ( talk) 08:12, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
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change "provisionsly" to "provisionally" in para 3 Sendhilkumara ( talk) 10:21, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
This whole section is tendentious POV, and the most dreadful waffle besides. It should be axed, and replaced with a selection of different examples of artistic explorations of brexit. A piece of pro-Brexit art would be the Spectator’s 01FEB2020 “Done” cover. However, most creative types were against Brexit, so the selection would likely lean to the anti side.q 2A00:23C7:E284:CF00:F9D8:8A26:E223:4522 ( talk) 09:19, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
dreadful waffle. It serves as a rough overview of the topic given that it has a main article dealing with culture and brexit linked in it. 15 ( talk) 10:09, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
Hard to understand, disorganized thoughts about Brexit. WP:NOTFORUM. Please focus talk page discussions on improving the Brexit Wikipedia article. Thank you. – Novem Linguae ( talk) 12:15, 4 July 2021 (UTC) |
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In 2016, or rather in January / February 2016, I was on the page of The Spectator magazine several times. This was a page from The Spectator, where you could write the online conversations yourself (without paying) about a vote on whether Great Britain would like to stay in the EU or maybe leave. Then I wrote to The Spectator online that Zurich is probably what Prime Minister David Cameron should clarify. As far as I know, The Spectator then informed Prime Minister David Cameron to consider perhaps Zurich. According to the information, Prime Minister David Cameron has sent people to Zurich to check this. Then the people came back to London and informed Prime Minister David Cameron that it was really Zurich. This was led by the staff of Prime Minister David Cameron and then Prime Minister David Cameron decided to hold an election on 06/23/2016. citation needed This information that it is Zurich came from the Landsmannschaft Zaringia Heidelberg (Studentenverbindung) in Heidelberg. And also my dear Landsmannschaft Zaringia Heidelberg has one person who looks a little (40%) bit like Nigel Farage, but 19 years younger than Farage. You can see him on the website www.xing.com with the name Simon Jaenicke. I just think it's right. Because at least three Hamburg Airbus people (one from Schleswig-Holstein (Kiel, Friedrich Kerchnawe) (Christian Democratic Union of Germany), Artur-Norbert Koepp from the north-east of Poland (Christian Democratic Union of Germany) and one man from Colombia (Social Party of National Unity or more left) and his wife from Russia (also an Airbus employee) was also were uncomfortable for me. Airbus employees were unbelievably bad at me, even though I was a very good employee and was at this time a member of the Christian Democratic Union of Germany. Meanwhile, Emirates canceled the A350XWB, because I probably did a good job for the A380. I wanted that Airbus to have problems with the wings that are made in the UK. Where exactly do I have to write this on the Wikipedia Brexit page, when if you accept that? Wname1 ( talk) 15:01, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
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In spite of multiple complaints over the years, this article still conveys an overwhelming impression of "anti-brexit bias". Far too much space is still given to what is essentially "pro-Remain" propaganda, yet almost no space is given to the propaganda of the other side. In terms of "external interference" for example: we should be clear that there is, as yet, NO convincing evidence of significant Russian interference on behalf of the Leave campaign, whereas it is clear beyond doubt that (for example) the EU and the US President (Barack Obama) both interfered, quite blatantly, on behalf of the Remain campaign. Furthermore, several UK government departments, including the Treasury, released economic predictions during the "purdah period" which purported to be impartial, but which events have now shown to be wildly exaggerated and biased towards the Remain side. Given that Brexit took place almost two years ago, and that (at the current time) it does not seem to have had any discernible macro-economic impact, I suggest that the apocalyptic predictions of pro-Remain economists are now redundant and should be deleted from this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.108.92.22 ( talk) 00:47, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
-- 148.64.9.58 ( talk) 11:54, 1 November 2021 (UTC)This complaint hasn't aged well as it seems to rely on Brexit having had little effect on the UK, this has been proven to be false.
Genuine, good-faith question: is the Impact section really about the predicted impact during the political campaign? And not the perceived impact after the withdrawal?
I just ask because there are various events going on that have (rightly or wrongly) been widely attributed to the impact of Brexit, but they don't seem to be covered here. Most currently, the 2021 United Kingdom fuel panic buying is an issue hotly debated. Is there a space for these to be mentioned, in the most diligently WP:NPOV manner imaginable? Cnbrb ( talk) 12:52, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
This article says the referendum was 'not legally binding', this is a lie! The British Government repeatedly said the result of the referendum would be carried out (including to every household in writing!), including at the dispatch box which counts as the law. Stop being so biased.
There is no mention of any kind at the top of the article regarding the withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Atomic Energy Community (EAEC or Euratom) or anything to say that as a result of the trading and cooperation agreement between the EU and that the UK is now a associated state to the organisation. ( MOTORAL1987 ( talk) 08:07, 11 December 2021 (UTC))
I've removed the following two maps as I'm not sure they're correct/helpfully informative – shouldn't NI be represented as aligned to the single market on the map (perhaps light blue, like Sweden, Switzerland etc.?), and possibly also on the customs union map (maybe in a similar manner to Turkey)? Any input would be appreciated. As it stands, these appear to contradict the article content. I recognise it's a technically complex issue and the UK as a whole has officially left the single market. However, I'm not sure how NI exemptions to single market access compare to Switzerland's exceptions, for example (are they not comparable?), and I'd presume it's far more closely aligned with the customs union than Turkey, which is shown on that respective map. Pinging map creator Rob984. Jr8825 • Talk 16:25, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
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What is the unacceptable difference between these versions? Thanks. Martinevans123 ( talk) 19:37, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
The too often false and too often one-sided predictions about Brexit evident so many places and reported here at Wikipedia without sufficient balance is now becoming evident. How do we fix the articles about Brexit on Wikipedia. The collapse in sterling, house prices, GDP, employment etc etc forecast by the World Bank, the Bank of England, so many should now be reflected as being wrong! 1GBP = 1.21EUR is the best since well before even the referendum, and above average since 2009. One example. At some point the "everything bad is because of Brexit, everything good despite it" narrative must be changed to be more objective. Until then it's an embarrassment here. Paul Beardsell ( talk) 12:46, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
True, but much of the section "impacts" seems to be just that, expectations or potentialities, so it either needs rewording or renaming. So unless it is post-Brexit analysis of actual trends it should be removed. Slatersteven ( talk) 14:14, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
The lead is in clear POV-pushing state. The motivation given in the lead for Brexit is nothing more than "scepticism". I understand that it is embarassing for many to say that in the 21st century UK proved strongly in favour to curb immigration and the same people will strongly object to how I just phrased things but saying nothing about it is blatant POV-pushing. If anyone wishes to help in mentioning the actual motives and arguments of the Brexit supporters, including the belief that the economy will actually greatly improve because of it, you can help here. Nxavar ( talk) 07:49, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
The article currently states that Brexit took place "... at 23:00 GMT on 31 January 2020 (00:00 CET)." - My understanding is that 00:00 CET on 31 January 2020 is 24 hours before 23:00 GMT on 31 January 2020. In other words 23:00 GMT on 31 January 2020 is the same as 00:00 CET on 1 February 2020. 212.64.228.100 ( talk) 06:43, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
Hello, I just completed a quite extensive edit on the lead. Among others, it adds the following info:
Comments are welcome. Nxavar ( talk) 12:16, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
Brexit 2.0 is not addressed. It deals with United-Kingdom and/or Great-Britain leaving the ECHR.
https www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/farage-calls-for-brexit-2-0-to-solve-migrant-crisis-332510/ 2A02:8425:642:D701:BF55:9F65:2A1C:85EB ( talk) 19:38, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
I miss a separate section on the promises made to win voters over to Brexit. A list of Bullet points may do. e.g. 350 Mill Pounds per week for NHS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:16B8:AA7:C600:C56A:305D:32D4:A350 ( talk) 10:24, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Hi, I tagged Brexit#Impact with an additional cleanup for WP:CRYSTAL tag. The section now has multiple problems and needs urgent attention. It seems that old info (prior to Brexit) was left in that is both outdated and also were speculations of what might be the impact. We are a wikipedia and cover what has happened in the past. There should be plenty of sources on what has been the impact (not an expert myself) but I am sure there is something. Maybe the section needs to get chopped in half or more if there are not WP:RS of what has actually already impacted, not speculation by thinktanks on what might happen sometime if ever. Jtbobwaysf ( talk) 06:01, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
Hi, has this WP:CRYSTAL been discussed or gone through RFC before? If not, I think I will remove it. Thanks Jtbobwaysf ( talk) 06:54, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
I recently added information regarding polling in the Section "Public opinion since the Brexit referendum", ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Brexit&oldid=1166454093) which was removed. I believe up to date polling numbers are an important addition to this article, especially considering that the poll in question had a differently worded question than the older poll.
I would be happy for some feedback so I can come up with a revised edit.
Thanks in advance ~~~ WinkingWikiWiking ( talk) 19:38, 21 July 2023 (UTC)